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04/30/2025 01:00 PM House RESOURCES

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01:03:48 PM Start
01:04:28 PM HJR18
01:47:11 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
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*+ HJR 18 URGING SUPPORT FOR AKLNG TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHJR 18(RES) Out of Committee
-- Public Testimony <Time Limit May Be Set> --
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 30, 2025                                                                                         
                           1:03 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                             DRAFT                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Robyn Niayuq Burke, Co-Chair                                                                                     
Representative Maxine Dibert, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Carolyn Hall                                                                                                     
Representative Donna Mears                                                                                                      
Representative Zack Fields                                                                                                      
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
Representative George Rauscher                                                                                                  
Representative Julie Coulombe                                                                                                   
Representative Bill Elam                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 18                                                                                                   
Supporting  the continued  development  of  the Alaska  Liquefied                                                               
Natural  Gas Project;  recognizing the  importance of  the Alaska                                                               
Liquefied  Natural  Gas Project  to  the  economy of  the  state,                                                               
energy  independence,  and  national  security;  and  urging  the                                                               
United States  Congress, President Donald J.  Trump, Secretary of                                                               
the  Interior Douglas  Burgum, and  relevant federal  agencies to                                                               
take all necessary actions to  expedite the success of the Alaska                                                               
Liquefied Natural Gas Project.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHJR 18(RES) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HJR 18                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: URGING SUPPORT FOR AKLNG                                                                                           
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) COSTELLO                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MIA COSTELLO                                                                                                     
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  As prime sponsor, introduced HJR 18.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GEORGE RAUSCHER                                                                                                  
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  As co-sponsor, explained his support of HJR
18.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
FRANK RICHARDS, President                                                                                                       
Alaska Gasline Development Corporation                                                                                          
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 18 and answered                                                              
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
LISA PARKER, Member                                                                                                             
Soldotna City Council                                                                                                           
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 18.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
WARREN CHRISTIAN, Board Chair                                                                                                   
Alaska Gasline Development Corporation                                                                                          
North Pole, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 18.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MIKE COONS, representing self                                                                                                   
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 18.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
KYLE KAISER, President and Founder                                                                                              
VIPER Transitions                                                                                                               
Chugiak, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 18.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
TIM NAVARRE, representing self                                                                                                  
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 18.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DOUGLAS TANSY, Business Manager                                                                                                 
International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW)                                                                          
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 18.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:03:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 CO-CHAIR  BURKE called  the House  Resources Standing  Committee                                                               
meeting to  order at 1:03 p.m.  Representatives Coulombe, Fields,                                                               
Rauscher,  Saddler, Hall,  Mears,  Elam, Dibert,  and Burke  were                                                               
present at the call to order.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                 HJR 18-URGING SUPPORT FOR AKLNG                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:04:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BURKE announced  that the first order  of business would                                                               
be  HOUSE  JOINT  RESOLUTION NO.  18,  Supporting  the  continued                                                               
development  of   the  Alaska  Liquefied  Natural   Gas  Project;                                                               
recognizing the  importance of the  Alaska Liquefied  Natural Gas                                                               
Project to  the economy  of the  state, energy  independence, and                                                               
national  security;  and  urging   the  United  States  Congress,                                                               
President  Donald J.  Trump, Secretary  of  the Interior  Douglas                                                               
Burgum,  and  relevant federal  agencies  to  take all  necessary                                                               
actions to expedite  the success of the  Alaska Liquefied Natural                                                               
Gas Project.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:04:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MIA  COSTELLO, Alaska State Legislature,  as prime                                                               
sponsor, introduced  HJR 18.   She explained that  the resolution                                                               
affirms Alaska's strong support  for the Alaska Liquefied Natural                                                               
Gas project (AKLNG)  and urges Alaska's federal  partners to help                                                               
move  the project  forward.   She  reviewed  AKLNG's history  and                                                               
pointed out  recent progress in permitting,  global interest, and                                                               
renewed momentum  from the federal government  as demonstrated by                                                               
the  Executive Order  titled  "Unleashing Alaska's  Extraordinary                                                               
Resource Potential."  She emphasized  that the AKLNG was not just                                                               
about  Alaska but  was also  about American  energy security  and                                                               
America's  place  in  the  world.     The  resolution  urges  the                                                               
President, Congress, the Secretary  of the Interior, and relevant                                                               
federal agencies to coordinate,  remove unnecessary red tape, and                                                               
fully  support  the  final approvals  and  financing  that  AKLNG                                                               
needs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:06:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GEORGE RAUSCHER, Alaska State Legislature, as co-                                                                
sponsor, spoke in  support of HJR 18 and said  the resolution was                                                               
very important  for Alaska.   He described  why he  supported the                                                               
amendment including  that it upholds liquefied  natural gas (LNG)                                                               
export  approval by  the federal  government, private  industry's                                                               
support,  Japan's  interest  in  the  project,  and  that  carbon                                                               
capture would be included in the  plan.  He pointed out that ADGC                                                               
had  announced  that  Glenfarne   would  not  need  a  previously                                                               
requested 20 million backstop from AGDC.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:08:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER commented that  this resolution would help                                                               
Alaska in numerous ways including  jobs for Alaskans, revenue for                                                               
the state,  and energy  security for every  region in  the state.                                                               
It would restore  a sense of optimism in Alaska  and its economy,                                                               
aid national security, and help the national balance of trade.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:08:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BURKE opened invited testimony on HJR 18.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:09:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRANK  RICHARDS,  President  of the  Alaska  Gasline  Development                                                               
Corporation  (AGDC),  testified  in  support   of  HJR  18.    He                                                               
explained that AGDC  was created by the  Alaska State Legislature                                                               
and  provided with  broad powers  and authorities  to tackle  the                                                               
Alaska  LNG   project.    It   was  created  as   an  independent                                                               
corporation  with   commercial  and  confidentiality   powers  to                                                               
insulate   AGDC   and   enable  it   to   conduct   market-driven                                                               
transactions.     In   this  role,   they   have  been   Alaska's                                                               
representative and developer  for the LNG project.   He explained                                                               
that in March  of 2025, AGDC signed an  agreement with Glenfarne,                                                               
a  private  developer and  industry  leader,  and this  agreement                                                               
meant  that Alaska  no  longer had  the  financial obligation  to                                                               
invest in  in Alaska LNG.   He  stated that Alaska  would receive                                                               
the benefits of  the project without further  investment but that                                                               
in the future there would  be investment opportunities for Alaska                                                               
and Alaskan  corporations.  He  described the market  interest in                                                               
Alaska  LNG, listing  Taiwan, Japan,  South Korea,  Thailand, the                                                               
Philippines, Viet  Nam, and other  countries, saying that  a non-                                                               
binding letter of intent had been  signed with Taiwan.  He read a                                                               
quote from the  U.S. Treasury Secretary regarding  the Alaska LNG                                                               
project.   He stated  that the  President and  his administration                                                               
have insisted that  the Alaska LNG project be part  of every U.S.                                                               
trade negotiation.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:14:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS commented  that for  private companies  to                                                               
invest  in building  the gas  pipeline,  there would  need to  be                                                               
large scale buyer  for the LNG exports and that  such a buyer had                                                               
not materialized.   He observed  that the situation  remained the                                                               
same as  it had been  for the last 50  years.  He  explained that                                                               
AGDC gave  ownership of the  assets of the project  to Glenfarne,                                                               
but that  in the future, Alaska  could purchase up to  25 percent                                                               
through 8 Star  Alaska.  Under the structure of  the deal, Alaska                                                               
would have to  buy back the property that AGDC  disposed of under                                                               
SB  38.   He  said he  did  not believe  that  Alaska would  have                                                               
sufficient resources to do so.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:16:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER explained  that the  letter would  go to                                                               
congress  and  to  the  President  and is  about  why  it  is  so                                                               
important to the state of Alaska.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:16:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COSTELLO  responded   to  Representative  Field's                                                               
comments by reiterating the importance of the resolution.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:17:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COULOMBE stated  that Enstar  was about  to raise                                                               
the heating  bills in Anchorage by  $100 a month.   She expressed                                                               
her  support  for  the  resolution  because  it  would  give  her                                                               
constituents  hope that  the LNG  project would  eventually lower                                                               
the cost of heating their homes.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:18:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  DIBERT  pointed out  that  Fairbanks  had some  of  the                                                               
highest energy costs in Alaska  with roughly 16 percent of income                                                               
going to heating.   She emphasized the importance  of including a                                                               
spur line to Fairbanks from the gaslines.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:19:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 1:19 p.m. to 1:21 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:21:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEARS  moved Conceptual Amendment 1  to remove the                                                               
words "billion in"  on page 1, line 13, so  it would read "create                                                               
thousands of  high-paying jobs for  state residents  and generate                                                               
long-term state and local revenue?"                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:22:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease at 1:22 p.m.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:22:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BURKE reiterated the conceptual amendment.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  COSTELLO explained  that  she was  fine with  the                                                               
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:25:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ELAM objected.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:25:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A  roll  call vote  was  taken.   Representatives  Fields,  Hall,                                                               
Mears, Dibert, and  Burke voted in favor  of Conceptual Amendment                                                               
1  to  HJR 18.    Representatives  Coulombe, Elam,  Saddler,  and                                                               
Rauscher voted against it.   Therefore, Conceptual Amendment 1 to                                                               
HJR 18 passed by a vote of 5-4.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:27:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BURKE opened public testimony on HJR 18                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:27:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LISA PARKER, Member,  Soldotna City Council, spoke  in support of                                                               
HJR  18,  describing  the  benefits of  the  Alaska  LNG  project                                                               
including  increased revenues,  guaranteed supplies  of gas,  and                                                               
jobs  for  Alaskans  and  Alaska   businesses.    She  encouraged                                                               
committee members to support HJR 18.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:29:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WARREN  CHRISTIAN,   Board  Chair,  Alaska   Gasline  Development                                                               
Corporation, spoke in  support HJR 18.  He explained  that he was                                                               
board  chair  of   the  AGDC  as  well  as   president  of  Doyon                                                               
Associated.    He  discussed  the support  for  the  LNG  project                                                               
throughout the state.   He pointed out that  the resolution sends                                                               
a message that "we are open  for business."  He stated that there                                                               
were no  other options on the  table right now that  would reduce                                                               
Alaska's energy costs and pointed out  the gas issues in the Cook                                                               
Inlet.  The  project has the required permits,  a lead developer,                                                               
and unprecedented  bipartisan federal support.   He explained the                                                               
project would  create thousands  of jobs,  bring new  industry to                                                               
Alaska,  and  support the  mining  industry  and utilities.    He                                                               
encouraged the committee to support HJR 18.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:31:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. CHRISTIAN, in response  to Representative Saddler's question,                                                               
explained that he  spoke both for himself and AGDC.   He referred                                                               
a question about an offtake to AGDC staff.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:32:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CHRISTIAN  addressed  a  question  posed  by  Representative                                                               
Fields regarding the  process and potential costs  of the offtake                                                               
spur line  for Fairbanks.   He  explained that  the complications                                                               
include the sizing  of the pipeline, the  long-term agreements of                                                               
the existing Fairbanks utility with  North Slope LNG, and phasing                                                               
the pipeline over time.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:34:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE COONS,  representing self, spoke in  support of HJR 18.   He                                                               
explained that President  Trump is all about  America first which                                                               
will also  make Alaska  great again.   He blamed  "eco terrorist"                                                               
groups, President Biden,  and lawsuits for delays in  oil and gas                                                               
projects  including  the  LNG  project.   He  spoke  of  possible                                                               
displacement of  people, especially seniors, by  the expansion of                                                               
the LNG plant  in Nikiski.  He also described  the possibility of                                                               
data  centers  that  could  tap   into  the  pipeline,  spoke  of                                                               
development  not  being  impeded  by  government,  and  expressed                                                               
opposition to heavy taxes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:37:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KYLE KAISER,  President and Founder, VIPER  Transitions, spoke in                                                               
support  of   HJR  18.     He  explained  he  was   working  with                                                               
transitioning service members and  veterans looking for homes and                                                               
work opportunities.   He pointed  out that veteran  employment in                                                               
Alaska  can be  challenging, and  the LNG  project would  provide                                                               
work for  electricians, mechanics, crafts people,  truck drivers,                                                               
and  more.   He explained  that the  project would  help veterans                                                               
stay in  the state, would attract  people from out of  state, and                                                               
would make Alaska a better place to live and work.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:39:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TIM NAVARRE, representing  self, spoke in support of HJR  18.  He                                                               
described  the  past  and  present support  for  the  Alaska  LNG                                                               
project, calling  the gas pipeline  a "no-brainer."   He reviewed                                                               
the costs of energy in the  Mat-Su and said that Alaskans deserve                                                               
to have reliable,  low cost energy, especially when it  is on the                                                               
North Slope.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:42:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DOUGLAS  TANSY, Business  Manager,  International Brotherhood  of                                                               
Electrical  Workers (IBEW),  spoke  in  support of  HJR  18.   He                                                               
explained  that  he was  speaking  in  his official  capacity  as                                                               
business manager  of the International Brotherhood  of Electrical                                                               
Workers (IBEW)  for Alaska as  well as representing himself.   He                                                               
described the energy issues  in Fairbanks including affordability                                                               
and air quality.   He explained that he supported  HJR 18 because                                                               
it would  provide for a  different type of economy,  good quality                                                               
jobs, and  the opportunity for  career development.  In  terms of                                                               
the  economy,  it  would  reduce the  crushing  effects  of  high                                                               
overhead rates for heat and power.   He mentioned the reliance on                                                               
wood stove  heating because  of fuel costs  and the  effects that                                                               
has  on air  quality, pointing  out that  gas is  a much  cleaner                                                               
fuel.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:45:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BURKE, after  ascertaining there  was no  one else  who                                                               
wished to testify, closed public testimony on HJR 18.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:45:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR DIBERT  moved to  report HJR 18  as amended,  work order                                                               
34-LS0837\I out of committee  with individual recommendations and                                                               
the accompanying zero fiscal note.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:45:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS  objected.    He explained,  "There  is  a                                                               
difference between  optimism and delusion,  and I don't  want the                                                               
Legislature  to  look  delusional,  seeming like  we  think  this                                                               
project is about to happen."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote was  taken.   Representatives Elam,  Coulombe,                                                               
Rauscher, Saddler, Hall, Mears, Dibert,  and Burke voted in favor                                                               
of HJR  18 as amended.   Representative Fields voted  against it.                                                               
Therefore,  HJR  18  was  reported out  of  the  House  Resources                                                               
Standing Committee by a vote of 8-1.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:47:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Resources Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 1:47 p.m.                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HJR 18 LOS Jeff Simerville 4.29_Redacted.pdf HRES 4/30/2025 1:00:00 PM
HJR 18
HJR 18- Letter of Opposition Susan A.pdf HRES 4/30/2025 1:00:00 PM
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HJR 18 Sponsor Statement ver. I 4.30.pdf HRES 4/30/2025 1:00:00 PM
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HJR 18 fiscal note ver I.pdf HRES 4/30/2025 1:00:00 PM
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Skeet Black HJR 18 written testimony_Redacted.pdf HRES 4/30/2025 1:00:00 PM
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Pete Stokes HJR 18 written testimony_Redacted.pdf HRES 4/30/2025 1:00:00 PM
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Michael Coons HJR 18 written testimony_Redacted.pdf HRES 4/30/2025 1:00:00 PM
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Jim Plaquet HJR 18 written testimony_Redacted.pdf HRES 4/30/2025 1:00:00 PM
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Gary Swoffer HJR 18 written testimony_Redacted.pdf HRES 4/30/2025 1:00:00 PM
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Erik Gabrielson HJR 18 written testimony_Redacted.pdf HRES 4/30/2025 1:00:00 PM
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Chris Humphry written testimony HJR 18_Redacted.pdf HRES 4/30/2025 1:00:00 PM
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