Legislature(2025 - 2026)BARNES 124

03/03/2025 01:00 PM House RESOURCES

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01:01:44 PM Start
01:02:22 PM Presentation(s): Minerals and Mining Overview, Department of Natural Resources
01:58:40 PM Adjourn
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+ Presentation: Minerals and Mining Overview by TELECONFERENCED
Jen Athey, Operations Manager, Division of
Geological and Geophysical Resources; Christy
Colles, Director, Division of Mining, Land and
Water; and Ashlee Adoko, Director, Office of
Project Management and Permitting
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 3, 2025                                                                                          
                           1:01 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Robyn Niayuq Burke, Co-Chair                                                                                     
Representative Carolyn Hall                                                                                                     
Representative Donna Mears                                                                                                      
Representative Zack Fields                                                                                                      
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
Representative George Rauscher                                                                                                  
Representative Julie Coulombe                                                                                                   
Representative Bill Elam                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Maxine Dibert, Co-Chair                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S):  MINERALS AND MINING OVERVIEW~ DEPARTMENT OF                                                                   
NATURAL RESOURCES                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JENNIFER ATHEY, Operations Manager                                                                                              
Division of Geological and Geophysical Surveys                                                                                  
Alaska Department of Natural Resources                                                                                          
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Co-presented a Department of Natural                                                                     
Resources minerals and mining overview.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTY COLLES, Director                                                                                                        
Division of Mining, Land, and Water                                                                                             
Alaska Department of Natural Resources                                                                                          
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Co-presented a Department of Natural                                                                     
Resources minerals and mining overview.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
KATE HARPER, Associate Director                                                                                                 
Office of Project Management and Permitting                                                                                     
Alaska Department of Natural Resources                                                                                          
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Co-presented   a  Department  of  Natural                                                             
Resources minerals and mining overview.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
JOHN CROWTHER, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                              
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions  during the Department of                                                             
Natural Resources minerals and mining overview.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:01:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BURKE called  the  House  Resources Standing  Committee                                                               
meeting  to  order  at 1:01  p.m.  Representatives  Hall,  Mears,                                                               
Saddler, Rauscher, Coulombe, Elam, and  Burke were present at the                                                               
call to order.  Representative  Fields arrived as the meeting was                                                               
in progress.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S):   Minerals and  Mining Overview,  Department of                                                               
Natural Resources                                                                                                               
 PRESENTATION(S):  Minerals and Mining Overview, Department of                                                              
                       Natural Resources                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
1:02:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR BURKE announced  that the first order  of business would                                                               
be  a  presentation  by  three divisions  of  the  Department  of                                                               
Natural  Resources: the  Division of  Geological and  Geophysical                                                               
Surveys; the Division of Mining,  Land, and Water; and the Office                                                               
of Project Management and Permitting.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:02:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JENNIFER ATHEY,  Operations Manager,  Division of  Geological and                                                               
Geophysical Surveys, Alaska Department  of Natural Resources, co-                                                               
presented  a Department  of Natural  Resources (DNR)  overview of                                                               
minerals  and  mining  [hard  copy   included  in  the  committee                                                               
packet].   She showed slide  2, titled "DGGS Minerals  and Mining                                                               
Overview,"   which   read   as  follows   [original   punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     • Tracking the mineral industry in 2024                                                                                    
          • Eight operating mines: seven lode, one coal                                                                         
          • About 150 placer gold mines                                                                                         
          • About 65 exploration projects                                                                                       
          • 80 active sand and gravel operations                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     • Geologic mapping to survey mineral potential                                                                             
          •  Major effort  to map  Interior Alaska  began in                                                                    
     federal FY2019                                                                                                             
          •  Modern interpretation  of  geology and  mineral                                                                    
     potential                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     •   New   airborne    geophysical   surveys   stimulate                                                                    
     exploration                                                                                                                
          •  Geophysical data  "sees"  below vegetation  and                                                                    
     thin surface sediments                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     • Enhancing Alaska's geological database                                                                                   
          •  Quality of  DGGS's  Alaska geological  database                                                                    
     rated  number one  in U.S.  by Fraser  Institute's 2023                                                                    
     Annual Survey of Mining                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:07:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ATHEY, in response to a question from Representative Elam,                                                                  
described how to access the Alaska Division of Geological and                                                                   
Geophysical Surveys (DGGS) geological database online.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:08:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ATHEY moved to slide 3, titled "2024 Alaska Mineral Industry                                                                
Highlights," which read as follows [original punctuation                                                                        
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     • Total  estimated value  of Alaska's  mineral industry                                                                    
     was   (estimated)   $4.5   billion   (exploration   and                                                                    
     development  expenditures  plus   the  estimated  first                                                                    
     market value of the commodities produced)                                                                                  
     • Red Dog  is the largest critical mineral  mine in the                                                                    
     United States  and the second largest  silver producing                                                                    
     mine in the United States                                                                                                  
     • Greens Creek is the  largest silver producing mine in                                                                    
     the United States                                                                                                          
     •  Fort Knox  is the  fourth largest  gold mine  in the                                                                    
     United States  • Gold  replaced zinc  as the  top metal                                                                    
     produced                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska's mineral resources compared globally                                                                               
     17% coal                                                                                                                   
     7.4% zinc                                                                                                                  
     7% gold                                                                                                                    
     1.7% lead                                                                                                                  
     7% silver                                                                                                                  
     12.4% copper                                                                                                               
     16% molybdenum                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:10:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ATHEY,  in  response  to   a  question  from  Representative                                                               
Saddler, expanded on the method  for determining the 4.5-billion-                                                               
dollar  figure  on  Slide  2.    Regarding  the  representative's                                                               
question  about the  purity of  Alaska's minerals,  she explained                                                               
that  the division  used a  method for  valuing minerals  used in                                                               
other  states.   She acknowledged  that the  calculations do  not                                                               
incorporate the amount of money  spent by the mine on development                                                               
and  production.   She pointed  out that  Alaska minerals  have a                                                               
high-level value when compared with the industry as a whole.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:14:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ATHEY  continued her  discussion  of  slide 3,  drawing  the                                                               
committee's attention  to statistics showing  the Red Dog  as the                                                               
largest  mine  of critical  minerals  in  the United  States  and                                                               
Greens Creek as  the largest silver producing mine  in the United                                                               
States.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:16:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ATHEY  responded  to a  question  from  Representative  Elam                                                               
regarding incentivizing  the export  of coal and  other minerals.                                                               
She  explained that  her  expertise related  to  the geology  and                                                               
mineral assets of Alaska.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:18:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ATHEY  advanced to  slide  4,  titled "2024  Alaska  Mineral                                                               
Industry Values," which  broke down the 2024  production value by                                                               
mineral types  including zinc, lead, gold,  silver, copper, coal,                                                               
and  industrial  minerals.    The   slide  also  showed  a  chart                                                               
comparing exploration expenditures since 1998.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:20:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ATHEY, in  answer to a question  from Representative Saddler,                                                               
explained that  the production information  presented on  slide 4                                                               
represented the  amount of concentrate  produced.   She proceeded                                                               
to  slide 5,  titled,  "Alaska Mine  Development Pyramid,"  which                                                               
showed  a pyramid  representing  mines  and exploration  projects                                                               
over  time.   The  slide read  as  follows [original  punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      • Significant investment needed to move a project up                                                                      
     the pyramid                                                                                                                
     • Large number of mineral exploration projects needed                                                                      
     to overcome low odds of an eventual mine developing                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:22:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Due to  technical difficulties,  the committee  took a  brief at-                                                               
ease at 1:22 p.m.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:23:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ATHEY described the process  of mining development, beginning                                                               
with  initial  exploration  of  multiple  projects.    The  chart                                                               
followed projects  through the various states,  which underscored                                                               
the  relatively  small  number  of projects  that  end  up  being                                                               
permitted and begin operating.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:25:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ATHEY  responded  to a  question  from  Representative  Elam                                                               
regarding  why  it  would  take  up   to  20  years  to  go  from                                                               
exploration to operation of a mine.   She posited that it depends                                                               
on such  factors as luck  and the  need of a  specific commodity,                                                               
pointing  out that  critical minerals  move  through the  process                                                               
faster.   Asked to clarify  regarding "luck," she  suggested that                                                               
even with all  the best information and  technology available, it                                                               
also takes a bit of luck.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:29:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTY COLLES,  Director, Division  of Mining, Land,  and Water,                                                               
Alaska  Department of  Natural  Resources,  addressed a  question                                                               
posed by Representative Coulombe regarding  how long it takes for                                                               
a  permit  to  be  issued.     She  also  discussed  the  reasons                                                               
exploration spending varied as illustrated  on the chart on slide                                                               
4.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:31:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ATHEY moved to slide  6, titled "2024 Alaska Mines Production                                                               
Summary" and slide 7, titled  "2024 Exploration by Deposit Type."                                                               
Slide  6 showed  a  map  of Alaska  indicating  the locations  of                                                               
specific  mines and  the  minerals produced  by  those mines  and                                                               
slide 7  showed a pie  chart illustrating exploration  by deposit                                                               
type.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:35:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ATHEY presented slide 8,  titled "Mineral Assessment Geologic                                                               
Mapping," which  illustrated geologic mapping in  Alaska and read                                                               
as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     • Large map area across eastern Interior Alaska                                                                            
     • 16,662 square miles                                                                                                      
     • 1,980 person days                                                                                                        
     • Mixed compilation and six years of new mapping                                                                           
     • Funded by State of Alaska and U.S. Geological Survey                                                                     
     (USGS) Earth Mapping Resources Initiative (Earth MRI)                                                                      
     and STATEMAP programs                                                                                                      
        • Multi-year goal of a cohesive digital bedrock                                                                         
          geologic map at a scale useful for industry                                                                           
     exploration                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:37:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ATHEY responded  to  several  questions from  Representative                                                               
Fields.  She  explained that the United  States Geological Survey                                                               
(USGS) served  an advisory  role but  did not  work in  the field                                                               
with the Alaska DGGS.   Regarding whether USGS employees had been                                                               
laid  off by  Elon Musk's  Department of  Governmental Efficiency                                                               
(DOGE), she said she did not know the answer to that question.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:40:14 PM6                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. ATHEY  responded to a  question from  Representative Rauscher                                                               
by  directing attention  to slide  9, titled  "Mineral Assessment                                                               
Geophysics."    She   explained  that  the  data   came  from  an                                                               
electromagnetic process  which could  do assessments from  200 to                                                               
500 feet  below the surface.   She continued with details  of the                                                               
slide which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      • Measures different properties of the earth from an                                                                      
     aircraft                                                                                                                   
    •   Used    for   geologic   mapping    and   targeting                                                                     
     mineralization                                                                                                             
     • Data  collection in  Interior, Southwest  Alaska, and                                                                    
     Seward Peninsula                                                                                                           
     • Funded by State of Alaska and USGS Earth MRI program                                                                     
     •  Reduced cost  of  data  collection through  industry                                                                    
     partnerships                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:42:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ATHEY  moved to  slide 10, titled  "Serving Geologic  Data to                                                               
the  Public."   She provided  specific details  while she  talked                                                               
through the points on the  slide, which read as follows [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     • 30  terabytes of digital geologic  information served                                                                    
     from the DGGS website in 2024                                                                                              
     •   Annual  Alaska's   Mineral  Industry   reports  and                                                                    
     presentations                                                                                                              
     •  Exploration  Geochemistry app  receives  42,000-plus                                                                    
     views per year                                                                                                             
     • Four mineral-related geologic maps published in 2024                                                                     
     • Two geophysical surveys published in 2024                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:45:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. COLLES described the work  of DNR's Division of Mining, Land,                                                               
and  Water,  calling  the  committee's  attention  to  Slide  11,                                                               
titled,  "DMLW Mining  Section Overview,"  which read  as follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     • Mineral Property Management Unit                                                                                         
          •   Manage  40,114   mining  claims   for  mineral                                                                    
     exploration and development                                                                                                
          • 51 offshore and 65 mining leases                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     •  APMA (Application  for Permits  to  Mine in  Alaska)                                                                    
     Unit                                                                                                                       
          • 717  APMAs for hard rock  exploration and placer                                                                    
     mining                                                                                                                     
          •  Approval of  plans  of  operations for  upland,                                                                    
     offshore, and millsite leases                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     • Large Mines Unit                                                                                                         
          • Oversees statewide  reclamation requirements and                                                                    
     large mines                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     • Coal Permitting and Compliance Unit                                                                                      
          • 30 Coal Leases                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     • Abandoned Mine Lands Unit                                                                                                
          • Regulates  reclamation and removes  hazards from                                                                    
     past mining operations                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:47:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COLLES,  in  response  to  a  question  from  Representative                                                               
Rauscher, acknowledged  that the  state of Alaska  received money                                                               
each  year from  the  Abandoned  Mines Claims  Act  of 1977,  but                                                               
explained that she did not have the exact numbers.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:48:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATE  HARPER, Associate  Director, Office  of Project  Management                                                               
and  Permitting,  Alaska  Department of  Natural  Resources,  co-                                                               
presented  the  Department  of  Natural  Resources  minerals  and                                                               
mining  overview.   She  described  the  work  of the  Office  of                                                               
Project   Management   and   Permitting   (OPMP),   calling   the                                                               
committee's  attention to  slide 11  and slide  12, titled  "OPMP                                                               
Mining  Overview," which  read as  follows [original  punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     • OPMP  provides a coordination framework  for advanced                                                                    
     exploration and mining projects                                                                                            
          •  Multi-agency  permit coordination  through  the                                                                    
     Large  Mine Permitting  Team  (LMPT)  model to  achieve                                                                    
     defensible, transparent, and timely permit decisions                                                                       
          • OPMP coordinator  to serve as the  main point of                                                                    
     contact    and    facilitate   communication    between                                                                    
     regulators and applicants                                                                                                  
          • Identify and resolve issues quickly                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     •   Coordinated    engagement   under    the   National                                                                    
     Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) review process:                                                                            
          • OPMP represents the State  of Alaska as a formal                                                                    
     cooperating agency                                                                                                         
          • OPMP coordinates the  state agencies' review and                                                                    
     delivers  a consolidated  State  of  Alaska position  o                                                                    
     assist the lead federal agency                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     • Directed resources through coordination agreements                                                                       
          • OPMP coordination is an optional service                                                                            
          • Each  project elects to enter  into coordination                                                                    
     by signing an memorandum of understanding                                                                                  
          • Annual financial  agreements are developed based                                                                    
     on the project scope of work                                                                                               
          •  OPMP and  other state  agencies are  reimbursed                                                                    
     for time spent on eligible activities                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     • Projects with OPMP coordination agreements:                                                                              
          • Exploration:  Arctic Deposit, Anarraaq-Aktigiruq                                                                    
     Extension Project, Graphite  One Project, Johnson Tract                                                                    
     Project,  Livengood  Gold   Project,  Niblack  Project,                                                                    
     Palmer Project, Pebble Project                                                                                             
          •  Permitted,  not  yet constructed:  Donlin  Gold                                                                    
     Project                                                                                                                    
          • Operating Mines: Fort Knox  Gold Mine, Gil Mine,                                                                    
     Greens  Creek Mine,  Kensington  Gold  Mine, Mahn  Choh                                                                    
     Project, Pogo Mine, Red Dog Mine                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:52:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HARPER  in  response  to   a  question  from  Representative                                                               
Coulombe  regarding the  department  budget,  explained that  she                                                               
would follow-up with that information.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:53:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  CROWTHER,   Deputy  Commissioner,  Department   of  Natural                                                               
Resources, addressed Representative  Coulombe's budget questions,                                                               
pointing  out the  high number  of coordination  agreements.   He                                                               
noted  that   those  projects  have  variable   amounts  of  work                                                               
associated with  them from  year to  year.   While the  number of                                                               
coordination  agreements  usually  is associated  with  increased                                                               
revenue, that  can vary due to  work loads.  He  acknowledges the                                                               
pause on  projects because  of changes at  the federal  level but                                                               
predicted a return in activity.   He explained that when entities                                                               
opted in  to coordinated permitting,  they agreed to  incur costs                                                               
and  obligations associated  with  that permitting  work, so  the                                                               
state would not be burdened with  those costs.  That is reflected                                                               
in the  reimbursable services and  receipt authority line  of the                                                               
budget.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:55:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COLLES  answered  a question  from  Representative  Rauscher                                                               
regarding the  abandoned mine projects  and how they  are funded.                                                               
She  pointed  out  a  list  of sites  that  qualify  for  dollars                                                               
received from the federal government.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:58:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Resources Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 1:58 p.m.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
DNR presentation Minerals-Mining HRES 3-3-2025.pdf HRES 3/3/2025 1:00:00 PM
DNR Response to HRES questions at 3.3.25 meeting.pdf HRES 3/3/2025 1:00:00 PM