Legislature(2023 - 2024)ANCH LIO DENALI Rm

12/09/2024 01:00 PM House RESOURCES

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01:00:29 PM Start
01:03:36 PM Presentation(s): Southcentral Lng Imports Update
01:48:15 PM Presentation(s): Qilak Lng Project
02:38:41 PM Presentation(s): Susitna River Valley "clean Coal" Plant
03:20:57 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Presentations: TELECONFERENCED
- Southcentral LNG Imports Update by John Simms,
President, Enstar
- Southcentral LNG Imports Update by Arthur
Miller, CEO, Chugach Electric Association
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- Qilak LNG Project by Mead Treadwell, CEO, Qilak
LNG
- Sustina River Valley "Clean Coal" Plant by
Frank Paskvan, UAF Affiliate Professor and
Professional Engineer
- AIDEA Gas Projects Update by Randy Ruaro,
Executive Director; and Brandon Brefczynski,
Deputy Executive Director
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                       Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                        
                        December 9, 2024                                                                                        
                           1:00 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                             DRAFT                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tom McKay, Chair                                                                                                 
Representative George Rauscher, Vice Chair (via teleconference)                                                                 
Representative Thomas Baker                                                                                                     
Representative Kevin McCabe                                                                                                     
Representative Stanley Wright (via teleconference)                                                                              
Representative Jennie Armstrong                                                                                                 
Representative Donna Mears                                                                                                      
Representative Maxine Dibert (via teleconference)                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Cathy Tilton                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S):  SOUTHCENTRAL LNG IMPORTS UPDATE                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S):  QILAK LNG PROJECT                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S):  SUSITNA RIVER VALLEY "CLEAN COAL" PLANT                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JOHN SIMMS, President                                                                                                           
ENSTAR Natural Gas                                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Presented a  PowerPoint, entitled  "ENSTAR                                                             
Cook Inlet Update," during the Southcentral LNG Imports Update.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MEAD TREADWILL, CEO                                                                                                             
Qilak LNG                                                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION   STATEMENT:     Co-presented  a   PowerPoint,  entitled                                                             
"Alaska's Arctic  LNG Opportunity," during the  Qilak LNG Project                                                               
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DAVID CLARK, COO                                                                                                                
Qilak LNG                                                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION   STATEMENT:     Co-presented  a   PowerPoint,  entitled                                                             
"Alaska's Arctic  LNG Opportunity," during the  Qilak LNG Project                                                               
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
FRANK PASKVAN, Affiliate Professor                                                                                              
Institute of Northern Engineering                                                                                               
University of Alaska Fairbanks                                                                                                  
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Presented a  PowerPoint, entitled  "Alaska                                                             
CCUS  Activities and  Opportunities  Roadmap; Biomass-Coal  Fired                                                               
Power Plant Feasibility Study; ARCCS  Project Status," during the                                                               
Susitna River Valley "Clean Coal" Plant presentation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:00:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  TOM MCKAY  called the  House Resources  Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to  order at  1:00 p.m.   Representatives  McCabe, Mears,                                                               
Baker, Armstrong,  wright (via  teleconference)), and  McKay were                                                               
present  at the  call to  order.   Representatives Rauscher  (via                                                               
teleconference) and  Dibert (via  teleconference) arrived  as the                                                               
meeting  was  in progress.    Also  presented was  Representative                                                               
Cathy Tilton.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S):  Southcentral LNG Imports Update                                                                              
       PRESENTATION(S):  Southcentral LNG Imports Update                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
1:03:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY announced  that the first order of  business would be                                                               
the Southcentral LNG Imports Update presentation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:04:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN   SIMMS,  President,   ENSTAR  Natural   Gas,  presented   a                                                               
PowerPoint,  entitled  "ENSTAR  Cook Inlet  Update,"  during  the                                                               
Southcentral LNG Imports  Update.  He gave an  overview of ENSTAR                                                               
Natural  Gas Company  (ENSTAR) and  its systems,  including 3,249                                                               
miles  of distribution  pipeline  and 442  miles of  transmission                                                               
pipeline.    ENSTAR's  standard  of service  is  outlined  in  AS                                                               
42.05.291.    In  response  to  a  question  from  Representative                                                               
McCabe, he confirmed that gas is  declining in the Cook Inlet and                                                               
that  a  solution  is  needed.    The  region  faces  significant                                                               
challenges that will require long-term planning and development.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:11:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR SIMMS resumed the presentation  and acknowledged that the cost                                                               
of supply  is increasing.   Gas from  the Cook Inlet,  the Trans-                                                               
Alaska Pipeline System, and imported  liquefied natural gas (LNG)                                                               
and are anticipated  to be in the $12-$15 range.   Wood Mackenzie                                                               
found that  Cook Inlet production  is expected to be  depleted by                                                               
the  mid-2030s.   Exploration  success  in  the region  has  been                                                               
limited to  a 9 percent  success rate with only  three commercial                                                               
discoveries.   He anticipated that  of all the supply  and market                                                               
risks  to the  Cook  Inlet, the  legislature  could address  cost                                                               
pressures  as a  temporary  measure.   He  outlined the  combined                                                               
utilities' annual demand on the  region, indicating that by 2026,                                                               
there won't  be enough  gas to  meet a  "normal" scenario  and by                                                               
2029, utilities  will face  significant challenges  meeting their                                                               
customers' needs.   He announced that ENSTAR  executed a contract                                                               
with Furie Operations Alaska, LLC  ("Furie") beginning in 2026 to                                                               
meet  that demand  despite a  massive  development and  execution                                                               
risk.   Top options  to diversify the  future gas  supply include                                                               
the Cook  Inlet gas supply,  floating storage  and regasification                                                               
units  (FSRU),  a  land-based regasification  terminal,  and  the                                                               
North Slope Pipeline.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:22:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SIMMS,   in  response  to   a  series  of   questions,  said                                                               
deliverability is  part of the  gas supply challenge  and storage                                                               
will be a critical component  for both the electric utilities and                                                               
ENSTAR.   He  talked about  the  potential benefits  to the  Cook                                                               
Inlet production if the North  Slope Pipeline were to come online                                                               
and  the history  of gas  supply  contracts.   He summarized  the                                                               
Jones Act and  acknowledged that acquiring a waiver  to allow the                                                               
use  of   a  foreign  tanker   would  reduce  cost   and  provide                                                               
optionality to the utilities.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:32:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SIMMS gave  his final thoughts on slide  11, emphasizing that                                                               
storage is  a key component of  any project.  He  questioned both                                                               
the legislature and  the utilities' role in the  energy future of                                                               
Alaska.  In response to a  series of follow-up questions, he said                                                               
challenges surrounding  permitting and deciphering who  is liable                                                               
for  cost overruns  are  risks that  need to  be  mitigated.   He                                                               
detailed the  status of the wells  at the Cook Inlet  Natural Gas                                                               
Storage   Alaska  (CINGSA);   Furie's   efforts   to  deter   LNG                                                               
importation; and the challenges of  reaching out to an LNG Canada                                                               
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S):  Qilak LNG Project                                                                                            
              PRESENTATION(S):  Qilak LNG Project                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
1:48:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY  announced that the  next order of business  would be                                                               
the Qilak LNG Project presentation.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:48:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEAD TREADWILL, CEO, Qilak LNG,  presented a PowerPoint, entitled                                                               
"Alaska's Arctic  LNG Opportunity,"  dated 12/9/24, which  gave a                                                               
project description, an  update on Qilak LNG,  and suggestions on                                                               
how the  State of Alaska  can help.  The  North Slope is  home to                                                               
significant  trapped natural  gas resources.   Based  on Russia's                                                               
Arctic success, Qilak LNG signed  a heads of agreement (HoA) with                                                               
ExxonMobil  Corporation in  2019 to  produce a  feasibility study                                                               
for the supply  of gas for 20 years at  Point Thompson, which has                                                               
proven  gas reserves  of at  least 6  trillion cubic  feet (Tcf).                                                               
Qilak  LNG   has  also  begun  discussions   with  the  Northwest                                                               
Territories  (NWT)  government  and producers  on  the  Mackenzie                                                               
River  Delta who  completed  a PFS  for a  similar  concept.   By                                                               
taking the pipeline out of  the equation, the capital expenditure                                                               
("CapEx")  would be  reduced to  increase competitiveness  in the                                                               
marketplace.   Russia  began reliably  shipping  LNG through  the                                                               
Arctic  in  2017.   He  detailed  the  Yamal Project,  which  was                                                               
completed  using  modules  delivered  from Asia  via  the  Bering                                                               
Strait and plans  to expand using the same  near-shore concept as                                                               
Qilak LNG.  He discussed  the next generation icebreaking tankers                                                               
that would  be used and plans  to export LNG from  Alaska's North                                                               
Slope  to   Asia;  the  cost  advantage   of  Qilak's  geographic                                                               
position;   and  its   favorable  cost   structure  with   unique                                                               
commercial constructs.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:04:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID CLARK, COO, Qilak LNG,  continued the presentation on slide                                                               
20  to discuss  environmental, social,  and corporate  governance                                                               
and  emphasized that  Qilak is  committed to  reducing greenhouse                                                               
gas emissions by  using gas a bridge fuel.   In addition, All CO2                                                               
removed from  feed gas  will be sequestered  using the  latest in                                                               
technology and carbon accounting.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TREADWILL continued  the presentation  by outlining  Qilak's                                                               
projected  timeline with  a target  completion date  of 2031  and                                                               
reviewing the market strategy.   He discussed Qilak's position in                                                               
the  market, emphasizing  that strategic  and financial  partners                                                               
are ready to join, but the  risk of feasibility and permits is an                                                               
issue.   He estimated  the cost of  finishing feasibility  at $12                                                               
million and  expressed confidence in the  project considering the                                                               
solid commercial negotiations with  the North Slope producers and                                                               
the state as  a royalty owner, as well as  the buyers with regard                                                               
to  front-end  engineering  design  (FEED).    He  said  the  big                                                               
difference  between  converting  a  shipyard  versus  building  a                                                               
pipeline is the lower risk.   Qilak is interested in working with                                                               
the North Slope  Borough on a number of issues  and ensuring that                                                               
the  project is  not in  conflict with  subsistence whaling.   He                                                               
concluded the  presentation by outlining  the following  ways the                                                               
State of Alaska could help:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
       Support Federal Reforms:                                                                                               
          • Offshore permitting path with MARAD                                                                                 
          • Eliminate repetitive DOE export licenses;                                                                           
          license already granted for Pt Thomson                                                                                
       Clarify State Support in the Marketplace:                                                                              
          • Qilak LNG founded as markets pushed back on                                                                         
          AKLNG                                                                                                                 
          • Backstop de-risking for all projects, if for                                                                        
          one.                                                                                                                  
          • AEA study re-do on gas to Alaskans                                                                                  
       Summary:                                                                                                               
          • Don't put all eggs in one basket.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TREADWILL,  in  response  to  a  series  of  question  about                                                               
transporting  LNG   from  Qilak  to  Fairbanks   and  subsistence                                                               
whaling,  referenced Harvest's  LNG project  in Prudhoe  Bay that                                                               
delivers LNG  to Fairbanks  in addition to  a small  gas pipeline                                                               
that connects to  several pump stations.   Alternatively, he said                                                               
Qilak may use gas fired power  rather than a pipeline and advised                                                               
the legislature  and state agencies  to consider  the possibility                                                               
of  exporting power  with fiber  optics in  addition to  pipeline                                                               
transportation.   He  cited a  Coast Guard  study on  port access                                                               
routing and talked about the  noise generated from an icebreaking                                                               
operation which is disruptive to  marine mammals, suggesting that                                                               
slowing   the  speed   of   travel   may  mitigate   disturbance.                                                               
Furthermore,  he  touted  the remote  sensing  technologies  that                                                               
assist in avoiding impact to animals.   In response to a question                                                               
from Representative Mears, he acknowledged  that a backstop would                                                               
be helpful.  He explained  that strategic and financial investors                                                               
are ready  to take the  market risk and understand  the technical                                                               
risk.  In  Alaska, he added, the risk is  the permitting process.                                                               
He emphasized  the importance  of paying  attention to  Russia, a                                                               
country  that's  become  a  huge  factor in  the  Arctic  and  an                                                               
untrustworthy partner for Alaska's Asian customers.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S):  Susitna River Valley "Clean Coal" Plant                                                                      
   PRESENTATION(S):  Susitna River Valley "Clean Coal" Plant                                                                
                                                                                                                              
2:38:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY announced  that the final order of  business would be                                                               
the Susitna River Valley "Clean Coal" Plant presentation.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:40:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRANK  PASKVAN,   Affiliate  Professor,  Institute   of  Northern                                                               
Engineering,   University  of   Alaska  Fairbanks,   presented  a                                                               
PowerPoint,  entitled "Alaska  CCUS Activities  and Opportunities                                                               
Roadmap; Biomass-Coal Fired Power  Plant Feasibility Study; ARCCS                                                               
Project   Status,"   dated   12/9/24.     The   carbon   capture,                                                               
utilization,  and  storage  (CCUS)   workgroup's  mission  is  to                                                               
accelerate  commercial  carbon  capture  projects  in  Alaska  to                                                               
attract  new  investments  and   create  options  to  decarbonize                                                               
activities vital to the state's economy.   He played a video that                                                               
defined  carbon   capture  and  storage  (CCS)   and  shared  the                                                               
following reasons for implementing CCUS:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
       • World faces dual challenge of increasing energy                                                                        
     demand and risks of climate change                                                                                         
        • IPCC finds the cost for clean energy security                                                                         
     globally more than doubles without CCUS 1                                                                                  
     • Also removes other pollutants                                                                                            
     • CO2 Use (CCUS) like agriculture can make electricity                                                                     
     net-zero emissions, supports food and energy security                                                                      
     • Coal with CCS can be                                                                                                     
          • Cleaner than Natural Gas                                                                                            
          • Cleaner than Wind with Natural Gas Peakers                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PASKVAN outlined  the INE's  history with  CCS and  shared a                                                               
roadmap of  opportunities and needs  on the North Slope  which is                                                               
advantaged  by  low-cost  natural  gas,  the  Interior  with  its                                                               
existing  coal plant  infrastructure,  and  Southcentral and  its                                                               
proximity to  port and potential  for import.  He  summarized the                                                               
following CCUS activities in Alaska:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Regulatory                                                                                                                 
      AOGCC  seeking Class  VI injection  well primacy  from                                                                    
     EPA SB48 May 2023                                                                                                          
      DNR  public comment  period  open  for carbon  storage                                                                    
     leasing regulations HB50 July 2024                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Federal Funding Awards                                                                                                     
      DNR:  $1M  carbon  storage geologic  database   public                                                                    
     outreach partners: UAF-ACEP and ARE                                                                                        
      UAF-INE:  $11M  Alaska  Railbelt  Carbon  Capture  and                                                                    
     Sequestration  (ARCCS)  CarbonSAFE   Phase  II  storage                                                                    
     assessment with EERC  and ARI * Evaluates  CCS from new                                                                    
     biomass-coal power plant and  two natural gas CEA power                                                                    
     plants                                                                                                                     
      ASRC Energy  Services (AES),  Santos, and  Repsol: $3M                                                                    
     Direct Air Capture Pre-Feasibility Study                                                                                   
      AES  and Santos:  $62M  North to  the  Future CCS  Hub                                                                    
     CarbonSAFE Phase  III subsurface  site characterization                                                                    
     and permitting for potential North Slope project site                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Additional Studies                                                                                                         
      US  DOE  & Japan  METI:  cross  border CCS  import  to                                                                    
     Alaska feasibility study                                                                                                   
      Hilcorp,  Sumitomo,  and  K Line  signed  joint  study                                                                    
     agreement for CCS feasibility in Alaska                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PASKVAN shared  an analysis  of the  Railbelt power  system,                                                               
emphasizing that  coal is the  lowest cost fuel  at approximately                                                               
$4 per Metric  Million British Thermal Unit (MMBtu).   The United                                                               
States  has 27  percent of  the world's  coal with  half of  that                                                               
based in  Alaska.   With CCUS,  it could be  one of  the cleanest                                                               
sources of energy available.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:59:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASKVAN, in  response to a series of  questions, outlined the                                                               
attractiveness of  biomass and coal-fired  power with CCS,  as it                                                               
could  provide  affordable  energy that's  reliable,  clean,  and                                                               
secure.   He added that  with the addition  of the waste  CO2 and                                                               
waste heat made available by  such a project, local food security                                                               
could be enhanced, and energy security risk could be lowered.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:06:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PASKVAN continued  the  presentation with  a  review of  the                                                               
Alaska Railbelt Carbon Capture and  Storage (ARCCS) project and a                                                               
status update.   ARCCS is  assessing carbon storage  hub capacity                                                               
by  evaluating a  20-mile radius  around Beluga  River Gas  Fiel,                                                               
nearby  gas fields,  and underlying  saline  aquifers using  U.S.                                                               
Department of  Energy (DOE) CarbonSAFE  Phase II framework.   The                                                               
two potential  sources of  CO2 under evaluation  are a  new Terra                                                               
energy Center  biomass-coal power plant and  two Chugach Electric                                                               
natural gas power plants in Anchorage.   The project is funded by                                                               
DOE and  the State  of Alaska,  and the  anticipated end  date is                                                               
September  2026.     He   described  the   following  anticipated                                                               
community benefits:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
      If  CO2storage  volume  confirmed,  anticipated  ARCCS                                                                    
     benefits include:                                                                                                          
      Supports  decarbonizing  existing  natural  gas  power                                                                    
     plants                                                                                                                     
      Supports  developing potentially  lower cost  Railbelt                                                                    
     energy with  long term  coal reserves,  improves energy                                                                    
     stability,  and  reduces  future Railbelt  power  price                                                                    
     increases                                                                                                                  
      Provides Statewide rural  communities benefits through                                                                    
     Alaska Power  Cost Equalization by enabling  lower cost                                                                    
     Railbelt energy investments                                                                                                
      Provides jobs in  construction, operations, technical,                                                                    
     and management in CO2economy                                                                                               
      Encourages students  to follow a STEM  Education path,                                                                    
     preparing themselves  to address challenges  to improve                                                                    
     energy  efficiency   and  economic   and  environmental                                                                    
     benefits                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:10:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASKVAN  in response to  a series of questions  from members,                                                               
he compared  ARCCS to  Petra Nova and  Boundary Dam,  adding that                                                               
it's not  uncommon for new  projects to address  operating issues                                                               
and  instabilities  and  as  time   moves  on,  to  make  process                                                               
modifications and improve efficiency.   He shared that Petra Nova                                                               
was  operating  and  performing  to  expectations  and  plans  to                                                               
restart after  its purchase by  a Japanese investor now  that the                                                               
price  of oil  has stabilized,  making a  high-cost oil  recovery                                                               
project attractive again.   He reported that  ARCCS anticipates a                                                               
2030  deliverable if  power purchase  agreements move  quickly in                                                               
the first  quarter of 2025.   The  expected lifespan is  30 years                                                               
based on  assumptions in the  feasibility and  demonstrated track                                                               
records of long-term operations from coal fired power plants.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:20:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Resources Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 3:20 p.m.                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
UAF.HouseResources.20241209.pdf HRES 12/9/2024 1:00:00 PM
Enstar House Resources Presentation 2024-12-09.pdf HRES 12/9/2024 1:00:00 PM
QilakLNG House Resources Presentation 2024.12.9.pdf HRES 12/9/2024 1:00:00 PM