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01:03:56 PM Presentation(s): Cook Inlet/royalty Relief Update
02:44:06 PM Presentation(s): Ak Lng Update
04:31:29 PM Adjourn
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                       November 19, 2024                                                                                        
                           1:00 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tom McKay, Chair                                                                                                 
Representative George Rauscher, Vice Chair                                                                                      
Representative Thomas Baker (via teleconference)                                                                                
Representative Kevin McCabe                                                                                                     
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
Representative Stanley Wright                                                                                                   
Representative Jennie Armstrong (via teleconference)                                                                            
Representative Donna Mears                                                                                                      
Representative Maxine Dibert (via teleconference)                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representatives Julie Coulombe,                                                                                                 
Representative Alyse Galvin                                                                                                     
Representative Neal Foster                                                                                                      
Representative Cathy Tilton                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S):  COOK INLET/ROYALTY RELIEF UPDATE                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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PRESENTATION(S):  AK LNG UPDATE                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
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PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JOHN CROWTHER, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                              
Alaska Department of Natural Resources                                                                                          
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Co-offered the  Cook Inlet/Royalty  Relief                                                             
Update presentation.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DEREK NOTTINGHAM, Director                                                                                                      
Division of Oil and Gas                                                                                                         
Alaska Department of Natural Resources                                                                                          
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Co-offered the  Cook Inlet/Royalty  Relief                                                             
Update presentation.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
WESTON NASH, Commercial Analyst                                                                                                 
Division of Oil and Gas                                                                                                         
Alaska Department of Natural Resources                                                                                          
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Co-presented  a  PowerPoint, titled  "Cook                                                             
Inlet Oil & Gas Update."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
NICHOLAS FULFORD, Senior Director                                                                                               
GaffneyCline                                                                                                                    
Houston, Texas                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Presented a PowerPoint,  titled "Cook Inlet                                                             
Royalty Analysis."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COSTA SWIFT, Vice President                                                                                                     
Upstream and Carbon Management Consulting Team                                                                                  
Wood Mackenzie                                                                                                                  
Sydney, Australia                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Presented a  PowerPoint, titled  "Economic                                                             
viability assessment and  economic value of Alaska  LNG project -                                                               
Phase 1," during the AK LNG Update presentation.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
FRANK RICHARDS, President                                                                                                       
Alaska Gasline Development Corporation (AGDC)                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Presented  a  PowerPoint, titled  "Alaka's                                                             
Energy  Future:  The  Alaska  Gas Pipeline"  during  the  AK  LNG                                                               
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
NICK SZYMONIAK, New Business Ventures Manager                                                                                   
Alaska Gasline Development Corporation                                                                                          
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  As an  invited testifier, answered questions                                                             
during the AK LNG Update presentation.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:00:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  TOM MCKAY  called the  House Resources  Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to  order at 1:00  p.m.  Representatives  Wright, McCabe,                                                               
Mears,  Saddler,  Rauscher,  Baker (via  teleconference),  Dibert                                                               
(via teleconference),  Armstrong (via teleconference),  and McKay                                                               
were present  at the  call to order.   Other  legislators present                                                               
were Representatives Coulombe, Galvin,  Foster, and Tilton.  Also                                                               
present  on-line   were  Representatives   Cronk,  Representative                                                               
Tomaszewski, and Dibert.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY  noted the following legislators-elect  were present:                                                               
Mia Costello, Chuck Kopp, Elexie Moore, and Jubilee Underwood.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S):  COOK INLET/ROYALTY RELIEF UPDATE                                                                             
       PRESENTATION(S):  COOK INLET/ROYALTY RELIEF UPDATE                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:03:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY announced  that the first order of  business would be                                                               
the Cook Inlet/Royalty Relief Update presentation.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:05:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN CROWTHER, Deputy Commissioner,  Alaska Department of Natural                                                               
Resources,  introduced  a   PowerPoint  presentation  [hard  copy                                                               
included in the  committee packet], titled "Cook Inlet  Oil & Gas                                                               
Update."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:06:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEREK  NOTTINGHAM,  Director, Division  of  Oil  and Gas,  Alaska                                                               
Department  of Natural  Resources,  explained  the importance  of                                                               
Cook Inlet  gas to the State  of Alaska.  It  provides 70 percent                                                               
of electrical and heat power  to the state, serving approximately                                                               
500,000 people primarily in the Anchorage Railbelt.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:08:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CROWTHER noted  that Cook  Inlet  development involves  Cook                                                               
Inlet oil production as well, which meets some state fuel needs.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:08:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NOTTINGHAM continued  the presentation  with an  overview of                                                               
the history  of Cook  Inlet gas and  oil production  beginning in                                                               
1958.   Cook Inlet has produced  over 104 billion barrels  of oil                                                               
and 12 trillion cubic feet (tcf)  of gas from 26 producing fields                                                               
and 8  different companies.   Gas  production had  been declining                                                               
since 1990.   He discussed the potential  of remaining resources,                                                               
pointing out the potential for 14  tcf of conventional gas in the                                                               
Cook  Inlet  Basin  located  in an  area  of  approximately  five                                                               
million acres,  some of  which is in  inaccessible lands  such as                                                               
wildlife  refuges or  in areas  which would  not be  economically                                                               
viable.  He described the  bidding and leasing processes specific                                                               
to Cook Inlet, defining oil and  gas units and how they relate to                                                               
the lease processes.  He  explained how primary lease terms would                                                               
be extended  when a company  begins to produce  commercially from                                                               
that lease.   He also described how the  division manages surface                                                               
and  subsurface  resources,  maximizing recovery  and  efficiency                                                               
using annual development plans.   He reviewed the different types                                                               
of leases  and the number  of years those leases  would encompass                                                               
as well as several types of  exploration leases.  He talked about                                                               
how  the   leases  could  be   extended  beyond   exploration  to                                                               
production or  be returned to  the state and become  available to                                                               
other companies for  potential future leases.   He explained that                                                               
oil units and gas units are managed by annual development plans.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:15:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. NOTTINGHAM resumed his presentation  by describing lease sale                                                               
results in 2024, pointing out  the very competitive leasing terms                                                               
that  were offered  in  order  to attract  new  investment.   The                                                               
primary  bids  were  from  Hilcorp   Alaska.    He  directed  the                                                               
committee's attention to  the graph on slide 7,  which showed the                                                               
Cook Inlet Production  History and slide 8, which  showed the oil                                                               
and gas  companies that were lease-holders  both historically and                                                               
currently.   He said that Cook  Inlet oil and gas  production has                                                               
declined  considerably  since  peak  production  years,  but  the                                                               
fields which  were big producers  in 2000 continued to  produce a                                                               
significant portion of  the gas from the inlet.   He also pointed                                                               
out that there  have not been significant new  discoveries in the                                                               
last 25  years.  He  drew the  committee's attention to  slide 9,                                                               
titled "Cook  Inlet Production by  Field," which showed  the 2024                                                               
fields, producers, lessees,  and the oil and gas  production.  He                                                               
reviewed  the changes  over time,  referencing several  companies                                                               
which are no  longer using Cook Inlet gas, such  as the Kenai LNG                                                               
plant  and  the  Nutrien  Fertilizer  Plant,  and  discussed  the                                                               
reasons  they  were no  longer  in  production.   As  gas  prices                                                               
increased, products  from the liquified  natural gas  (LNG) plant                                                               
and the fertilizer plant were no longer economically viable.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:20:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCKAY  asked whether  lower  gas  prices would  result  in                                                               
resumed production  by these and  other investors, and  if Alaska                                                               
could  offer lower  gas  prices,  whether it  would  result in  a                                                               
return of industries and jobs.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. NOTTINGHAM  responded that  he believed that  if there  was a                                                               
lower cost  feed stock, some  of the industries would  come back.                                                               
He next  turned his attention  to an explanation of  gas storage:                                                               
how much  can be stored; how  storage functions; and how  much is                                                               
currently being stored.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:23:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY  referred to House Bill  50 passed at the  end of the                                                               
Thirty-Third Alaska  State Legislature and pointed  to provisions                                                               
of the  legislation that  expanded gas  storage capacity,  and he                                                               
asked about Hilcorp's request for additional storage.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. CROWTHER  responded that Hilcorp  has been doing  open season                                                               
to solicit  additional interest in  storage volumes  by potential                                                               
entities  such  as  utilities and  anticipates  filing  with  the                                                               
Regulatory Commission of Alaska (RCA)  to allow storage rates and                                                               
tariffs  for  those fields.    The  department has  modified  the                                                               
leases to allow Hilcorp to do  its own storage in those fields in                                                               
order to allow third party storage.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:25:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WESTON  NASH,  Commercial  Analyst,  Division  of  Oil  and  Gas,                                                               
continued the  PowerPoint presentation  on slide 13,  titled "DNR                                                               
2022 Cook Inlet Forecast."  He  explained the purpose of doing an                                                               
independent  analysis  of  the  gas supply  in  Cook  Inlet,  the                                                               
methodology  used,   and  the  key  assumptions.     The  primary                                                               
assumption was that there would  be 15 development wells per year                                                               
until 2030  and no  new wells  after that.   He also  described a                                                               
hypothetical model for  new gas development in  Cook Inlet, which                                                               
included estimated investments as  well as estimated proportional                                                               
costs.   He  called the  committee's  attention to  the graph  on                                                               
slide 15, which illustrated Cook  Inlet gas demand projected over                                                               
time  from current  activity in  2024 to  2041.   He then  showed                                                               
slide  16,  which summarized  the  2024  drilling and  production                                                               
activities and slide  17, which illustrated the  results of three                                                               
seismic surveys that  were released in 2024.   Additional seismic                                                               
surveys are  expected to be released  over the next two  to three                                                               
years.   The final slide  showed the  statutes that apply  to oil                                                               
and gas royalties and leasing.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:34:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   MCKAY  questioned   whether  the   royalty  modifications                                                               
referred  to  in  AS  38.05.180(j) are  subject  to  change  with                                                               
administrative changes in Alaska.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. CROWTHER  explained the process for  modifications under that                                                               
statute  and how  it would  provide some  durability.   There are                                                               
conditions that can  cause an end to a  royalty modification, but                                                               
they would  not be terminable  unilaterally or purely based  on a                                                               
change in policy preference.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:35:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  referred to the  graphics on slide  10 and                                                               
asked why Marathon was not included on the chart.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. CROWTHER responded that Marathon  is the petroleum refiner on                                                               
the  Kenai  Peninsula  and  is  using some  natural  gas  in  its                                                               
operations.   These are included  in the "Commercial" bar  on the                                                               
chart.   Marathon is considered a  key part of the  energy mix in                                                               
Southcentral Alaska because its  projects provide heat, fuel, and                                                               
electricity.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  asked whether Marathon  is one of  the two                                                               
gasoline refineries remaining in Alaska.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NASH said  that there  are three  refineries in  Alaska, but                                                               
Marathon  is  the only  Alaska  refinery  producing gasoline  for                                                               
vehicle use.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  drew attention to  the chart in  slide 15.                                                               
He asked about  the difference between heating  and total demand,                                                               
the extra 26  billion cubic feet (bcf), and whether  it refers to                                                               
electrical production.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. NASH responded in the affirmative.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:37:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SADDLER   reiterated   Representative   McCabe's                                                               
earlier question regarding whether  a commissioner could change a                                                               
royalty relief agreement or end it.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CROWTHER explained  that after  royalty  relief is  formally                                                               
offered and  effectuated by the  department, it is  a contractual                                                               
change between the  state and the lessee.  Therefore  it can't be                                                               
changed unilaterally by  the state.  There may be  a condition or                                                               
limitation on the  royalty relief that causes it  to later expire                                                               
or terminate, but changes cannot  be made simply because there is                                                               
a change in administration.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:39:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MEARS  asked   for  clarification  regarding  the                                                               
changes  in gas  productivity  and availability  for heating  and                                                               
production as illustrated in the chart on slide 15.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. NOTTINGHAM  explained that some of  the gas was used  to fuel                                                               
production of electricity  and heating as well  as commercial and                                                               
industrial operations.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:40:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCKAY questioned  which slide  would show  the proven  gas                                                               
reserves  that are  remaining and  accessible for  Kitchen Lights                                                               
and Cosmopolitan.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CROWTHER  called  Representative McKay's  attention  to  the                                                               
green bars  on slide 15.   He explained that they  show the known                                                               
undeveloped  reserves   equivalent  to  approximately   300  bcf.                                                               
Bluecrest, which operated  Cosmopolitan, identified approximately                                                               
250 bcf.   The  Kitchen Lights unit,  operated by  HEX/Furie, has                                                               
identified  200 to  300 bcf  of what  it believes  is developable                                                               
gas.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:42:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE asked for  confirmation that Cook Inlet gas                                                               
for electricity and heating could  be extended to 2030 if Kitchen                                                               
Lights and Cosmopolitan were able to expand their operations.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. CROWTHER  agreed with Representative McCabe's  assessment and                                                               
suggested that new development  activity and additional resources                                                               
might extend a little beyond that.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCKAY   commented  on  the  possibility   of  experiencing                                                               
electrical  and  heating  shortages   if  the  known  undeveloped                                                               
reserves are not utilized.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.   CROWTHER   agreed    that   without   additional   resource                                                               
availability, shortages were estimated starting in 2028.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:43:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCKAY  introduced  Nicholas Fulford,  Senior  Director  of                                                               
GaffneyCline,  explained  that  GaffneyCline is  currently  under                                                               
contract with the Legislative Budget and Audit Committee.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:44:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NICHOLAS   FULFORD,  Senior   Director,  GaffneyCline,   directed                                                               
attention to  a PowerPoint, titled "Cook  Inlet Royalty Analysis"                                                               
[hard  copy included  in the  committee  packet].   He began  his                                                               
presentation  by   explaining  the  rationale  behind   the  work                                                               
presented to the committee.   He set out the broader developments                                                               
affecting the  global investment environment  in the oil  and gas                                                               
industry.   He referred to  slide 2, titled  "Market Conditions,"                                                               
pointing  out  that  the  last  four  to  five  years  have  been                                                               
exceptionally   disruptive  for   the  oil   and  gas   industry.                                                               
Disruptive  events  have  created  a  more  difficult  investment                                                               
scenario for gas and oil  by developers, bankers, and financiers.                                                               
That  means price  volatility  for gas  and  oil with  subsequent                                                               
significant changes  in cash flow.   This results in  a difficult                                                               
environment  for  predicting  financial  revenues.    As  capital                                                               
investments   go  up,   the  concerns   of  investors   increase.                                                               
Investors  are  now  demanding  better  capital  discipline  with                                                               
improved action on climate policy  and climate mitigation as part                                                               
of oil  and gas developments.   These  are some of  the increased                                                               
challenges   to   attracting   investment    to   oil   and   gas                                                               
jurisdictions.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:48:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FULFORD  moved  to  slide   3,  titled  "Energy  Demand  and                                                               
Competition  for   Upstream  Capital."    He   discussed  several                                                               
scenarios including a  high increase in energy  demand versus the                                                               
possibility  of  a  net  zero situation.    The  uncertainty  has                                                               
resulted in  lower investments by  the "Super Majors."   However,                                                               
there have been recent improvement  globally in rate of return as                                                               
well as higher investments in conventional oil and gas projects.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:50:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. FULFORD  moved to  slide 4, titled  "Responses to  Changes in                                                               
Market  Conditions."   He  asked the  committee  to consider  the                                                               
global  response to  changes in  the markets,  pointing out  that                                                               
many  governments  have  enacted  changes in  royalties  for  the                                                               
purpose of  attracting investment.   The chart  on slide  4 shows                                                               
that many  countries have legislated  changes in  their royalties                                                               
in order to  attract investment.  He commented that  all over the                                                               
world, governments  have considered  the trade-off  between state                                                               
revenues  in  taxes and  royalties  and  the ability  to  attract                                                               
investment.   This situation  has caused  some of  the investment                                                               
hesitation for  future development  in Cook Inlet.   He  moved to                                                               
slide  5,  titled  "Increased  Consideration  of  Asset  Specific                                                               
Characteristics," and pointed  out that the price  of natural gas                                                               
in  global markets  has  dropped  below what  it  used  to be  in                                                               
previous   years,  causing   the   economics   of  specific   gas                                                               
developments to suffer.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:53:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY  asked for clarification regarding  the fourth bullet                                                               
on slide 5.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FULFORD responded  by pointing  out the  differences between                                                               
dry gas  and condensate.   When  the value  of the  condensate is                                                               
high, the  natural gas is almost  a byproduct and has  a very low                                                               
cost.    The  economics  are   more  difficult  with  a  dry  gas                                                               
development with no financial support from liquid condensate.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCKAY asked  whether  Point Thompson  was  a good  example                                                               
because it is a condensate and a natural gas field.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. FULFORD agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:54:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FULFORD showed  slide 6,  titled "  Considerations for  Cook                                                               
Inlet."  He asked the committee  to take the last few slides into                                                               
consideration when looking at Cook  Inlet.  In addition to global                                                               
concerns  about  capital  investment, Cook  Inlet  presents  some                                                               
particular features  which makes investment problematic.   One is                                                               
the increase of  cost which affects not only Alaska  but also the                                                               
global market.   He  described the  core development  concerns as                                                               
having  an   aging  infrastructure;  lack  of   access  for  some                                                               
services; challenging  climate and  environmental considerations;                                                               
less  transportation availability;  and the  liabilities involved                                                               
with decommissioning  a facility.   He explained that  gas buyers                                                               
are seeking  diversified energy  sources.   He also  broached the                                                               
subject of a possible gas line from the North Slope.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:57:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY  referred to one  of the  factors referred to  by Mr.                                                               
Fulford  on   the  slide,   titled  "Market   Conditions,"  which                                                               
pertained  to  investors  demands.   He  asked  what  "action  on                                                               
climate  change" referred  to.   He  expressed his  understanding                                                               
that  investors  will not  finance  projects  unless there  is  a                                                               
framework to strip the carbon out.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FULFORD  pointed  out  the  complexity of  the  issue.    He                                                               
explained that  many lenders have risk  committees and regulatory                                                               
constraints which prevent them from  investing in unmitigated oil                                                               
and  gas  development.    However,  the banks  are  also  in  the                                                               
business of  lending and earning  interest, so many of  them have                                                               
developed a more realistic view  toward climate policy.  Measures                                                               
which could  enable decarbonization would probably  be sufficient                                                               
to address many of the investors' concerns.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:59:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  questioned whether the risk  factors were                                                               
in any particular order such as greater to lesser.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. FULFORD  replied that it was  a random list, but  the biggest                                                               
risks were  first, to establish  a reliable long-term  buyer, who                                                               
will  continue  to  support  gas   price  terms  and  second,  to                                                               
determine  what  contractual  framework  would  mitigate  against                                                               
significant price changes  if the gas pipeline  were connected to                                                               
the  Anchorage area.   In  response to  a follow-up  question, he                                                               
said  he  believed  the  greatest   supply  risk  would  be  cost                                                               
pressures and the greatest market  risk would be securing a long-                                                               
term  gas  supply  contract  with  an  appropriate  buyer.    The                                                               
reference   to  gas   buyers  actively   seeking  diversification                                                               
represents an ongoing concern.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:01:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. FULFORD drew  the committee's attention to  the slide, titled                                                               
"Development    Cases   Evaluated,"    which   illustrated    two                                                               
hypothetical Cook Inlet  projects.  The first  hypothetical was a                                                               
standalone  shallow  water gas  field,  and  the second  was  the                                                               
incremental  development of  an  existing onshore  gas-condensate                                                               
field.   The  two  biggest economic  factors  in gas  development                                                               
would be the resource size and gas price.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:04:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY requested clarification  regarding pricing.  He asked                                                               
whether Alaska  would see  more investment  and more  drilling if                                                               
the current  royalty of  $8.50 per million  cubic foot  (mcf) was                                                               
increased to $12 to $15 mcf.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. FULFORD responded  that it was a logical  conclusion based on                                                               
the information presented on the slide.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCKAY referred  to the  gas reservoirs  in Cook  Inlet and                                                               
asked whether  Cook Inlet  pricing would be  affected if  LNG was                                                               
purchased on  the global  market for $15  mcf to  meet increasing                                                               
demand.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FULFORD responded  by suggesting  a third  alternative which                                                               
would be to  offer a Cook Inlet gas developer  a similar price in                                                               
order to  facilitate development  which would bolster  the supply                                                               
of gas to Anchorage.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   MCKAY  presented   a  hypothetical   scenario  in   which                                                               
Bluecrest, Hilcorp,  and HEX/Fury  were approached and  told that                                                               
LNG  was going  to be  imported  at $15  per  mcf.   In order  to                                                               
prevent this,  he hypothesized, these companies  might drill more                                                               
wells at $15 mcf instead.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. FULFORD said that was a reasonable assumption.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:08:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER   asked  whether,  under   Chair  McKay's                                                               
scenario, importing LNG would enhance or erode royalty rates.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FULFORD explained  that  the  issue was  too  complex for  a                                                               
simple answer.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:09:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. FULFORD moved to the  slide, titled "250 bcf New Development"                                                               
and called  the committee's attention  to the  difference between                                                               
the  left and  right  columns.   He  pointed  out the  difference                                                               
between a 10-year royalty relief  and a permanent royalty relief,                                                               
saying that it would be  relatively minor in terms of investment.                                                               
He also referred  to the challenges of supporting  a new offshore                                                               
platform.  Some of the challenges  would be mitigated by tying to                                                               
an  adjacent  facility  or  by  tying to  the  shore.    He  then                                                               
addressed  other elements  in  the economics  of  Cook Inlet  gas                                                               
development.    If  an  offshore platform  is  funded,  a  500bcf                                                               
recoverable gas  volume is significantly  more attractive  than a                                                               
250bcf of recoverable gas.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:14:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY  mentioned that the  Cosmopolitan field is a  230 bcf                                                               
proven gas field.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. FULFORD  commented that  the economics  would be  improved if                                                               
there were ways to increase the  resource.  He then segued into a                                                               
discussion  regarding how  a dry  gas resource  can be  ramped up                                                               
into full  production relatively  quickly and the  capacity would                                                               
have a significant impact on the  economics of the well.  He then                                                               
explained the scenarios presented in  the next two slides, titled                                                               
"Example Economics  - Impact of 100%  Take or Pay and  flat daily                                                               
nominations"  and "Example  Economics -  Impact of  potential Gas                                                               
Line/Price  Adjustment  ($1/MM  Btu   discount  in  2035)."    He                                                               
compared GaffneyCline's analyses with  those completed by DNR and                                                               
described  the  similarity of  the  results.   He  concluded  his                                                               
presentation with several takeaways  including a review regarding                                                               
the challenges of  a 250 bcf offshore  development; a description                                                               
of steps which could facilitate  exploration and development; and                                                               
comments regarding HB 393 and HB 280.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:18:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY referred  to prior analyses of  royalty relief versus                                                               
royalty  production.    It  had been  suggested  that  the  state                                                               
revenues  lost by  offering developers  royalty  relief would  be                                                               
significantly  less   than  the  savings  of   providing  gas  to                                                               
consumers.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. FULFORD allowed  that was possible, but  additional study was                                                               
needed to  determine what  the comparison  of royalty  relief and                                                               
savings to consumers would actually be.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:19:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER pointed  out that the State  of Alaska has                                                               
authority  over  royalties, but  other  factors  are outside  the                                                               
state's control.  He explained  that royalties are a more certain                                                               
source of revenue.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:21:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE responded that  the point of royalty relief                                                               
is to get affordable gas to Alaskans.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:22:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MEARS   pointed  out  that  some   analyses  have                                                               
indicated that the  new floor for natural gas would  be up to $14                                                               
bcf whether  it is Cook Inlet  gas, imports, or the  proposed gas                                                               
pipeline.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:23:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY reminded committee members  that they should consider                                                               
the socioeconomic  impacts on constituents  that rely on  the oil                                                               
and gas industry in Cook Inlet, such as job security.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:25:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 2:26 pm to 2:44 pm.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S):  AK LNG UPDATE                                                                                                
                PRESENTATION(S):  AK LNG UPDATE                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:44:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY announced  that the final order of  business would be                                                               
the AK LNG Update presentation.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCKAY reviewed  that  under HB  268,  the legislature  had                                                               
asked for an independent third-party  analysis of the feasibility                                                               
of  a  phased  approach  to  constructing  the  Alaska  Liquified                                                               
Natural Gas (AK LNG) project.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:47:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COSTA  SWIFT,  Vice  President, Upstream  and  Carbon  Management                                                               
Consulting Team,  Wood Mackenzie,  as part of  the AK  LNG Update                                                               
presentation,  began  a  PowerPoint, titled  "Economic  viability                                                               
assessment and  economic value of  Alaska LNG project -  Phase 1"                                                               
[hard copy  included in  the committee packet].   He  stated that                                                               
Cook  Inlet gas  production has  declined, and  exploration wells                                                               
have  not  discovered enough  to  replenish  reserves, which  are                                                               
expected to  be depleted by  the mid-2030s.   The demand  for gas                                                               
has declined  over the  past 20  years, and the  cost of  gas has                                                               
increased.  It is expected  that prices will continue to increase                                                               
as  the  reserves   are  depleted.    Mr.   Swift  described  two                                                               
alternatives to address  the supply gap:  a new  gas pipeline and                                                               
LNG imports.   The  new gas  pipeline would  connect Southcentral                                                               
Alaska with the  northern fields.  The LNG  imports would require                                                               
infrastructure to import and store LNG.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:53:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWIFT noted  that if  the  pipeline connecting  Southcentral                                                               
Alaska  and  the   northern  fields  were  built,   there  is  an                                                               
anticipated increase  in demand for  gas.  Fairbanks  would shift                                                               
to gas, the  Nikiski refinery would increase its  gas demand, and                                                               
there would  be additional  industrial demands.   In  response to                                                               
questions from Chair McKay, Mr.  Swift stated that there would be                                                               
an  increase in  industrial  gas demand,  power  gas demand,  and                                                               
Fairbanks  gas demands.   In  response to  Representative McCabe,                                                               
Mr. Swift stated  that the Fairbanks resident  would save between                                                               
$800 and $1,500  annually on their fuel with  the construction of                                                               
the pipeline.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWIFT  then  moved  on  to  four  scenarios  describing  the                                                               
existing gas demand, the existing  gas demand plus additional gas                                                               
demand based  on historical gas  demand, the  estimated potential                                                               
for  new demand  brought  by high-consuming  facilities, and  the                                                               
estimated   potential  for   new   demand  brought   on  by   the                                                               
construction  of an  LNG facility.   Of  the four  scenarios, the                                                               
construction  of  an  LNG  facility   would  entail  the  largest                                                               
potential  for increased  gas demand.   He  noted that  the total                                                               
estimated cost  of a pipeline connecting  Southcentral Alaska and                                                               
the northern fields of Alaska  is approximately $10.8 billion for                                                               
Phase  1 and  compared the  cost to  recently built  and proposed                                                               
pipelines, both in the United States and internationally.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:00:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWIFT,  in response  to  Chair  McKay, noted  that  Mountain                                                               
Valley  and the  Canadian Coastal  Gas  Link were  both built  in                                                               
highly  populated  areas  with increased  regulatory  challenges.                                                               
Both  factors  have lengthened  the  timeline  and increased  the                                                               
overall cost of  the pipeline.  In response  to further committee                                                               
questions, Mr.  Swift noted that  the cost is acquired  through a                                                               
top-down  benchmark  approach and  does  not  have an  additional                                                               
breakdown of  costs for the  pipeline.  He  said the cost  of the                                                               
Alaska LNG Pipeline  is within the parameter  averages, albeit on                                                               
the higher end  of costs. Alaska provides  unique challenges when                                                               
it comes  to construction projects.   He said he would  follow up                                                               
with data regarding cost overruns  for the other pipelines listed                                                               
on slide 10 of the presentation.   He clarified that the projects                                                               
listed in  italics are  unfinished.  Finally,  he noted  that the                                                               
cost of  the Fairbanks  spur was  not included  in Scenario  1 on                                                               
slide  9.   He noted  that any  spur required  to connect  to the                                                               
Trans-Alaska Pipeline  System [TAPS] would  need to be  paid for,                                                               
and a tariff would be involved in the cost of the spur.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:09:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRANK   RICHARDS,    President,   Alaska    Gasline   Development                                                               
Corporation  (AGDC), at  the invitation  of  Chair McKay,  stated                                                               
that there  is an offtake point  near the Chatanika River  on the                                                               
Alaska LNG Pipeline corridor.  The  route goes up and over Murphy                                                               
Dome.    The cost  estimate  is  $180  million, with  the  tariff                                                               
estimated to  add 0.80.   He stated  the permitting  process went                                                               
forward under the Army Corps of Engineers.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:10:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SWIFT noted  that additional  costs, including  Compression,                                                               
Cook  Inlet Crossing,  and Point  Thompson Expansion  would bring                                                               
the total to  approximately $14.3 billion.  In  response to Chair                                                               
McKay and Representative  Saddler, Mr. Swift noted  that that the                                                               
project  would originate  in Prudhoe  Bay and  the offtake  would                                                               
assume Great Bear  Pantheon Gas through the life  of the analysis                                                               
that Wood Mackenzie had completed [2070].                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:15:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWIFT, on  slide 12, advised that of the  four scenarios, the                                                               
Alaska LNG Pipeline  has the most potential to lower  the cost of                                                               
gas  to $2.23/gallon.    On  slide 13,  he  noted how  additional                                                               
factors, such as property tax  and a federal loan guarantee, have                                                               
the  most impact  on the  cost of  gas.   Slide 13  isolated many                                                               
variables  and   calculated  their   individual  impact   on  the                                                               
delivered cost  of gas.   Mr. Swift  confirmed that the  gas from                                                               
Prudhoe  Bay has  a higher  carbon dioxide  (CO2) content,  which                                                               
would have an additional impact on  the cost of gas.  In response                                                               
to  Chair McKay,  he noted  that every  billion dollars  that the                                                               
capital expenditure  (CAPEX) is reduced effectively  equates to a                                                               
dollar reduction of the delivered cost of gas.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWIFT continued to slide 14.   He stated that in the analysis                                                               
of LNG imports  as an alternative, Wood  Mackenzie considered the                                                               
actual cost of  the material [LNG], the shipping  costs, the cost                                                               
to revert  the liquid back to  its gaseous form, and  the cost of                                                               
onshore  gas  reception.    He   started  with  the  most  likely                                                               
contracts for purchasing  LNG:  Japan Korea Marker  (JKM) or oil-                                                               
indexed long-term pricing.  He noted  that JKM is more likely for                                                               
long-term  purchase agreements  [10-20  years].   Next,  shipping                                                               
costs  can have  an impact  on the  delivered cost  of LNG.   Mr.                                                               
Swift  noted in  response  to Representative  McCabe that  Alaska                                                               
does have  an advantage due to  its proximity to the  LNG markets                                                               
in the  Pacific.  Mr.  Swift described shipping routes  and costs                                                               
from JKM to Alaska routed through Canada, Australia, or Mexico.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCKAY offered  his understanding  that  under the  current                                                               
federal administration, there  was an existing ban  on the export                                                               
of LNG from the United States.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWIFT clarified that there was  a pause on permitting for new                                                               
LNG projects.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY  then asked  how much of  Japan's imported  LNG comes                                                               
from Russia.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWIFT responded that he did  not have that information at the                                                               
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:31:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWIFT  moved to the next  part of the analysis  regarding the                                                               
floating storage  regasification unit (FSRU).   On slide  17, Mr.                                                               
Swift noted the graph showing the  average cost range of an FSRU.                                                               
He stated that  operating FSRUs generally show  a low utilization                                                               
rate ranging  from 40-45  percent annually per  unit.   He stated                                                               
the  larger  the unit,  the  lower  the cost  of  regasification.                                                               
There  may be  additional costs  associated with  onshore storage                                                               
operations,   but  there   could   also   be  opportunities   for                                                               
optimization.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:36:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWIFT  stated the  fourth cost consideration  is the  cost of                                                               
connecting the FSRUs to the  existing network of pipelines or the                                                               
onshore reception.   That connection  involves building  a jetty,                                                               
constructing an offloading  facility, and constructing facilities                                                               
necessary to  connect to the existing  network.  Of the  48 FSRUs                                                               
in Wood Mackenzie's  database, the CAPEX ranges  from $50 million                                                               
to $500 million.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWIFT stated  that the total LNG import cost  is estimated to                                                               
range  between $10.21  per metric  million British  thermal units                                                               
(mmbtu) and $13.72/mmbtu whereas the  total cost of gas delivered                                                               
via pipeline would range between $2.23/mmbtu and $12.80/mmbtu.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWIFT  moved on to slide  20, which detailed the  approach to                                                               
assess the  socioeconomic benefits of  Alaska LNG Phase 1.   This                                                               
approach included:   total capital expenditure  for construction,                                                               
benefits for  the lifetime of  the project, indirect  and induced                                                               
benefits, and potential  for savings.  Mr. Swift  stated that the                                                               
in-state economic  impact for LNG  imports is  approximately $1.4                                                               
billion, whereas the in-state economic  impact for the Alaska LNG                                                               
Phase 1  is approximately $16.5  billion, with an  estimated $6.2                                                               
billion  in savings  on cost  to the  consumer.   In response  to                                                               
Representative McCabe, Mr.  Swift noted that the  graphs on slide                                                               
21  do not  pertain to  any government  tax credits  that may  be                                                               
applicable.   In  response to  Representative Saddler,  Mr. Swift                                                               
defined "economic  impact" as  gross value  added to  the overall                                                               
GDP of Alaska.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWIFT moved on to slide  22, which illustrated the impacts in                                                               
jobs created  from Alaska LNG  Phase 1  and from the  LNG imports                                                               
alternative.   The graphs included direct,  indirect, and induced                                                               
jobs  and  were  divided   between  construction  and  operations                                                               
phases.    In the  construction  phase,  Alaska  LNG Phase  1  is                                                               
projected to  create 4.0 times as  many jobs as LNG  imports.  In                                                               
the operations phase,  Alaska LNG Phase 1 is  projected to create                                                               
4.6 times as many jobs as LNG  imports.  Mr. Swift stated this is                                                               
primarily due to a larger  in-state construction scope for Alaska                                                               
LNG Phase  1.  In response  to Chair McKay, Mr.  Swift noted that                                                               
the jobs  created are only related  to the LNG imports  or Alaska                                                               
LNG Phase 1.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:45:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWIFT,  in response to  Representative Dibert,  explained the                                                               
bullet point  on slide  8 noting "90%  penetration with  a 3-year                                                               
transition   (2031-2033)"  was   an  assumption   based  on   the                                                               
construction of Alaska  LNG Phase 1.  He then  continued to slide                                                               
23,  detailing some  additional  benefits  specific to  Fairbanks                                                               
with  the switch  from  wood/oil  to gas  for  its energy  needs,                                                               
including  cleaner  air  and  removing  Fairbanks'  nonattainment                                                               
designation,  which  could  increase  access  to  private  and/or                                                               
public investments.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:51:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SWIFT moved  on to the last  slide.  In summary,  the cost of                                                               
the  pipeline would  be approximately  $10.8 billion.   With  the                                                               
decline of the Cook Inlet  gas supply, Wood Mackenzie forecasts a                                                               
demand gap to  begin by 2030.  Finally, Mr.  Swift reiterated the                                                               
analysis  of two  potential  options to  address  the supply  and                                                               
demand  gap:   natural gas  supply  via pipeline  or natural  gas                                                               
supply via LNG imports.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:59:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY  invited Frank Richards  to begin his portion  of the                                                               
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS, as part of the  AK LNG Update presentation, began a                                                               
PowerPoint,  titled  "Alaska's Energy  Future:    The Alaska  Gas                                                               
Pipeline" [hard copy included in  the committee packet].  He said                                                               
the pipeline  would begin in the  North Slope Borough and  end in                                                               
the Matanuska-Susitna ("Mat-Su") Borough,  where it ties into the                                                               
existing  infrastructure.   Phase 2  entails construction  of gas                                                               
treatment  facilities   in  the   North  Slope  and   LNG  export                                                               
facilities.  On slide 2, Mr.  Richards noted that the project has                                                               
gone through all necessary regulatory  processes.  On slide 3, he                                                               
noted that  the Phase  1 Pipeline  can compete  with the  cost of                                                               
importing LNG.   He stated that Alaskans will  benefit from lower                                                               
cost energy.   On  slide 5,  he stated his  belief that  the Wood                                                               
Mackenzie  analysis  showed  a positive  economic  value  to  the                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  moved on to  slide 6, which described  the timeline                                                               
of  the pipeline.   During  2025,  the basic  engineering of  the                                                               
backstop   agreement  must   be  completed,   or  the   front-end                                                               
engineering design (FEED).   During 2026, financing  for the FEED                                                               
backstop must be secured.   Pipeline construction is estimated to                                                               
start in  2027, with the  construction estimated to  be completed                                                               
by 2031.  On  slide 7, Mr. Richards noted that  FEED is the final                                                               
step before final investment decision  (FID) and construction can                                                               
begin on the Alaska gas pipeline.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS stated, on slide  8, that the Alaska Gas Development                                                               
Corporation (AGDC)  was working  on accruing utility  support and                                                               
the support of other LNG developers.   He moved on to slide 9 and                                                               
described the North  Slope gas supply.  He said,  due to low-cost                                                               
access, Great Bear Pantheon is  the preferred supplier.  However,                                                               
back up supply agreements are  required, given that the fields of                                                               
Great  Bear Pantheon  are still  in development.   He  noted that                                                               
"back  up"  gas  suppliers  are necessary  for  financing.    Mr.                                                               
Richards  stated  AGDC  is  in  talks  with  Prudhoe  Bay,  Point                                                               
Thomson, and  the Satellite Fields.   He noted that  these backup                                                               
fields either need  gas treatment to remove  carbon dioxide (CO2)                                                               
or require additional infrastructure.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:09:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS,  in response  to  a  question from  Representative                                                               
McCabe  about  whether  Canada  might   be  a  supplier  for  the                                                               
pipeline,  said that  AGDC  wanted to  look  at Alaska  suppliers                                                               
first, as  that would be  the most cost-effective.   Mr. Richards                                                               
moved  to the  final slide  of the  presentation and  stated that                                                               
AGDC's primary  goal was to raise  funds for the Alaska  LNG FEED                                                               
and  development  costs  to  reach   FID.    He  noted  that  the                                                               
"development capital"  needed for the  full Alaska LNG  scope was                                                               
$150 million,  and $50 million  for Phase  1.  Mr.  Richards also                                                               
stated  that  AGDC plans  for  the  funds  to come  from  private                                                               
investors  and   developers.    In  response   to  Representative                                                               
Saddler, he  said the  State of Alaska  would be  responsible for                                                               
construction costs if  the it elected to take on  a percentage of                                                               
ownership of the pipeline.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:13:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NICK  SZYMONIAK, New  Business Ventures  Manager, Alaska  Gasline                                                               
Development Corporation,  reiterated that the funds  are expected                                                               
to come  entirely from  the private sector,  and the  state would                                                               
have the option to contribute financially.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:17:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS,  in response  to  Representative  Mears, said  the                                                               
legislature  intended  for the  renewable  energy  fund (REF)  to                                                               
receive  revenue  from  a  portion of  state  taxes,  to  provide                                                               
benefits to  communities that  do not have  direct access  to the                                                               
pipeline.   In response to Representative  McCabe's suggestion of                                                               
the use of bond funds, Mr. Richards  replied that it is up to the                                                               
legislature  to decide  if  and how  it would  like  to fund  the                                                               
project.   He also noted  that the legislature gave  AGDC bonding                                                               
authority.   In response to  a remark from  Representative Dibert                                                               
that  any funding  allocation should  include the  Fairbanks spur                                                               
and  any  necessary infrastructure,  he  assured  that an  update                                                               
would  be  provided  in  the  cost estimate  through  FEED.    In                                                               
response  to  Representative Baker,  he  clarified  that all  the                                                               
federal permits  had been  completed, but not  all the  state and                                                               
municipal permitting had been completed.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:29:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY stated  that the State of Alaska  is currently funded                                                               
60  percent through  government  savings and  40 percent  through                                                               
resources, which  is primarily  oil production.   He  opined that                                                               
all  projects   that  contribute  to  the   state  treasury,  the                                                               
permanent fund, and  the permanent fund dividend  (PFD) should be                                                               
seriously considered  by the legislature.   He stated  his belief                                                               
that the  legislature should prioritize  revenue sources  that do                                                               
not involve taxing Alaskans.  He thanked the presenters.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:31:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Resources Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 4:31 p.m.