Legislature(2023 - 2024)BARNES 124

02/06/2023 01:00 PM House RESOURCES

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01:03:37 PM Presentation(s): 2022 Cook Inlet Gas Forecast
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        February 6, 2023                                                                                        
                           1:02 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tom McKay, Chair                                                                                                 
Representative Kevin McCabe                                                                                                     
Representative Josiah Patkotak                                                                                                  
Representative George Rauscher                                                                                                  
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
Representative Stanley Wright                                                                                                   
Representative Jennie Armstrong                                                                                                 
Representative Donna Mears                                                                                                      
Representative Maxine Dibert                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S):  2022 COOK INLET GAS FORECAST                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JOHN BOYLE, Commissioner                                                                                                        
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Participated in the presentation, titled                                                                 
"2022 Cook Inlet gas forecast."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
JHONNY MEZA, Commercial Analyst                                                                                                 
Division of Oil and Gas                                                                                                         
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Participated in the presentation, titled                                                                 
"2022 Cook Inlet gas forecast."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
JOHN BURDICK, Petroleum Reservoir Engineer                                                                                      
Division of Oil and Gas                                                                                                         
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Participated in  the presentation,  titled                                                             
"2022 Cook Inlet gas forecast."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
JOHN CROWTHER, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                              
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Participated in  the presentation,  titled                                                             
"2022 Cook Inlet gas forecast."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:02:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  TOM MCKAY  called the  House Resources  Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to  order at 1:02  p.m.  Representatives  McKay, Saddler,                                                               
Wright,  Armstrong,  Mears,  Rauscher, McCabe,  and  Dibert  were                                                               
present at  the call to  order.  Representative  Patkotak arrived                                                               
as the meeting was in progress.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S):  2022 Cook Inlet Gas Forecast                                                                                 
         PRESENTATION(S):  2022 Cook Inlet Gas Forecast                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
1:03:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Chair McKay announced that the only  order of business would be a                                                               
presentation, titled "2022 Cook Inlet Gas Forecast."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:04:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  BOYLE,  Commissioner,   Department  of  Natural  Resources,                                                               
participated  in the  presentation, titled  "2022 Cook  Inlet gas                                                               
forecast."   He began his remarks  by giving a background  on the                                                               
history of  oil and gas  development in  the Cook Inlet  over the                                                               
last 60  years.  He explained  that natural gas in  Cook Inlet is                                                               
finite and  is currently nearing a  point where the field  may no                                                               
longer  be  productive   and  suggested  that  it   may  be  more                                                               
economically beneficial for the  state to begin importing natural                                                               
gas  rather  than  expend  more resources  and  time  on  further                                                               
exploration in the region.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:08:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JHONNY  MEZA,  Commercial  Analyst,  Division  of  Oil  and  Gas,                                                               
Department  of  Natural  Resources  (DNR),  participated  in  the                                                               
presentation, titled "2022 Cook Inlet  gas forecast."  He briefly                                                               
explained the  order of  information that  would be  presented to                                                               
the committee.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JOHN BURDICK,  Petroleum Reservoir Engineer, Division  of Oil and                                                               
Gas,  Department  of  Natural   Resources,  participated  in  the                                                               
presentation, titled "2022 Cook Inlet  gas forecast."  He briefly                                                               
explained  the   geology  behind  the  current   methods  of  oil                                                               
extraction in the Cook Inlet.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MEZA   began  the  presentation  via   PowerPoint  [hardcopy                                                               
included  in the  committee  packet], on  slide  4, titled  "Cook                                                               
Inlet Fields  Overview: Gas Production History,"  which displayed                                                               
two  graphs, one  that delineated  which companies  extracted gas                                                               
and one that specified how much  gas was extracted over a certain                                                               
period of time.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MEZA continued  to slide  5, titled  "Production by  Field,"                                                               
which  displayed  a  spreadsheet   comparing  2022  oil  and  gas                                                               
production  next to  a map  of the  active exploration  fields in                                                               
Cook Inlet.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:12:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER  asked what  the  trend  of oil  and  gas                                                               
exploration in Cook Inlet has been like recently.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURDICK answered  that there is development  primarily on the                                                               
eastern side  of the  Cook Inlet and  explained that  the Western                                                               
Side of Cook Inlet has been extensively developed historically.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  CROWTHER,   Deputy  Commissioner,  Department   of  Natural                                                               
Resources, participated  in the  presentation, titled  "2022 Cook                                                               
Inlet gas forecast."   In response to  Representative Saddler, he                                                               
explained that  the movement  of development in  Cook Inlet  is a                                                               
product of  "infrastructure" and  "a need  and desire  to explore                                                               
further areas in the basin."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEZA resumed  the presentation on slide 6,  titled "Demand by                                                               
User Type,"  which displayed a  graph that specified Oil  and Gas                                                               
use by each user type in Cook Inlet.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:16:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER   asked  about   a  discrepancy   in  the                                                               
presentation  regarding the  import/export  of liquified  natural                                                               
gas (LNG).                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEZA  replied that the  current operator of the  LNG facility                                                               
has requested the Federal Energy  Regulatory Commission (FERC) to                                                               
change its current permit to allow  for the importation of LNG to                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ARMSTRONG asked whether  the importation of LNG is                                                               
necessary for Alaska.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. CROWTHER  answered that there is  a need for the  capacity to                                                               
"degasify" different types  of natural gas in  Alaska and further                                                               
explained the possibility of a gas shortage in the Cook Inlet.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY asked  whether Alaska currently has a  FERC permit to                                                               
import LNG.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEZA replied that there is  still a need for more information                                                               
before a permit should be requested from FERC.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:22:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CROWTHER  added that  the  amount  of  LNG Alaska  would  be                                                               
allowed to import  has already been specified and  issued under a                                                               
FERC permit.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEZA resumed the presentation  on slide 7, titled "Cook Inlet                                                               
Recovery Act  and Resulting Activity,"  which displayed  a series                                                               
of bar graphs that described  certain policies stimulated Oil and                                                               
Gas development/exploration in the Cook Inlet Region.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:27:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEZA continued to slide  8, titled "Local Prevailing Value vs                                                               
Henry Hub,"  which displayed two  lines of  a graph on  a 10-year                                                               
timeline comparing gas prices in  the Cook Inlet with the average                                                               
price of gas in the general market.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCKAY asked  whether the  financial figures  displayed are                                                               
adjusted for inflation.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEZA clarified that the numbers are adjusted for inflation.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:29:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEZA moved  to slide 9, titled "Exploration  & Development in                                                               
Cook  Inlet: Cook  Inlet Future  Production,"  which displayed  a                                                               
graph that  made predictions of  future prospects of oil  and gas                                                               
development in  Cook Inlet and  explained what made  previous oil                                                               
and gas explorations successful.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY asked how often  DNR was successful in finding viable                                                               
wells in the Cook Inlet Region.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURDICK  answered by describing  exploration methods  and how                                                               
they've adapted as technology has changed.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:33:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  asked whether there is  royalty credit for                                                               
new discoveries in Cook Inlet.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEZA  replied that the royalty  rating in Cook Inlet  is 12.5                                                               
percent for the majority of leases in Cook Inlet.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE asked  whether there  are undeveloped  oil                                                               
and gas fields near Homer, Alaska,  that have been delayed due to                                                               
environmental  concerns and  would  fall under  the same  royalty                                                               
program as the other leases in the Cook Inlet region.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MEZA answered  that the  could-be oil  and gas  developments                                                               
near Homer, Alaska, would have the same royalties apply to them.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE  asked  how  big the  oil  and  gas  field                                                               
outside of Homer is.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:36:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURDICK  answered that  DNR does not  have firm  estimates of                                                               
the field's total size.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY  described the challenges  of the development  of the                                                               
oil  and gas  fields outside  of Homer,  Alaska, and  opined that                                                               
their development would most likely  require a platform to adhere                                                               
to the  restrictions of such  development.  He asked  whether DNR                                                               
would need help from the  legislature to bring the development to                                                               
fruition.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BOYLE  replied that the complexity  of the impending                                                               
shortage natural gas in the Cook  Inlet Region is in the issue of                                                               
bringing  more gas  to the  market.   He said  that the  risks of                                                               
further development in the region  require more discussion before                                                               
any  decision  is  made  by   DNR  to  lease  an  exploration  or                                                               
development in  the Cook  Inlet region.   He emphasized  that the                                                               
oil  and  gas  support  industry  in Cook  Inlet  is  in  serious                                                               
decline,  which puts  constraints on  any further  exploration or                                                               
development in the region.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:43:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER asked  Mr.  Crowther  whether he  thought                                                               
that the  Cook Inlet  Recovery Act (CIRA)  was successful  in its                                                               
legislative goals.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. CROWTHER  replied that CIRA  is an extremely complex  Act and                                                               
it's not clear  whether or not the legislation had  any impact on                                                               
certain developments in the Cook Inlet Region.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:46:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURDICK  resumed the presentation  on slides 10 and  11, both                                                               
titled "Overview  of Division of  Oil & Gas Cook  Inlet Studies,"                                                               
which  each gave  a  chronological overview  of  studies in  Cook                                                               
Inlet that have occurred since  2009 and explained their specific                                                               
impact on oil and gas development in the region.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ARMSTRONG  asked  what   the  term  "economic  to                                                               
develop" means.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MEZA  answered   that  the  term  refers   to  a  conceptual                                                               
development  of  a  project  that   would  produce  a  return  on                                                               
investment for DNR.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEARS asked who  determines the economic viability                                                               
of a proposed project.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEZA  answered that DNR takes  a "one-size-fits-all" approach                                                               
in determining the economic viability of a proposed project.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:49:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BURDICK  resumed  the  presentation   on  slide  12,  titled                                                               
"Current  Study," which  gave an  overview of  the current  study                                                               
occurring on the Cook Inlet's potential developments.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY asked how DNR  models the phenomenon of "blowdown" in                                                               
its forecast of productivity of an exploration.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BURDICK replied  that  that modeling  falls  outside of  the                                                               
current study's scope.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURDICK  moved to  slide 13,  titled "Cook  Inlet Development                                                               
Well History," which displayed a  graph that explained the number                                                               
of wells drilled per year from 2009-2019.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BURDICK  continued  to  slide   14,  titled  "Modelling  the                                                               
Economic Limit  for Each  Field: Structure  of the  Model," which                                                               
explained  how  the  DNR  creates its  economic  model  for  each                                                               
proposed  exploration  or development  of  oil  and gas  in  Cook                                                               
Inlet.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:56:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BURDICK  moved to  slide  15,  titled "Forecast  Untruncated                                                               
High-Mid-Low-Mean   Streams,"  which   displayed  a   graph  that                                                               
compared forecasts of daily gas  usage in thousand cubic feet per                                                               
day.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CROWTHER touched  on slide  16,  titled "Forecast  Truncated                                                               
High-Mid-Low Mean Streams."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURDICK continued to slide  17, titled "Forecast vs Actuals,"                                                               
which  displayed  a graph  that  compared  different outlooks  on                                                               
annual billion of cubic feet (bcf)  of gas used versus the actual                                                               
amount of bcf of gas used in a period from 2021-2022.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:00:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURDICK  moved to slide  18, titled  "Forecast-Annualized Gas                                                               
Volume  (Untruncated)," which  displayed a  series of  bar graphs                                                               
that each conveyed separate forecasts  of annual gas usage in bcf                                                               
with a line  drawn across the graph to convey  the average demand                                                               
of gas in bcf.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEZA  continued to slide 19,  titled "Forecast-Annualized Gas                                                               
Volume (Truncated),"  which displayed a truncated  version of the                                                               
graph shown on slide 18.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:02:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked about the terms used in slide 19.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MEZA   explained  that  the  slide   reflects  the  economic                                                               
principle  that a  producer  may maintain  its  production if  it                                                               
recovers its production cost through revenues.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. CROWTHER  added that  an assumption is  made that  gas prices                                                               
would   remain  static   to  current   prices,  subject   to  any                                                               
inflationary increases.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER  asked how renewable energy  would affect                                                               
the supply of natural gas available to the Cook Inlet Region.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CROWTHER replied  that  the studies  shown  on the  previous                                                               
slides do not take into account any different energy sources.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ARMSTRONG asked whether  DNR has done any modeling                                                               
or compiled  any information on  how renewables  might supplement                                                               
natural gas.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. CROWTHER said that such a  proposed model is beyond the scope                                                               
of DNR.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:07:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEARS  asked for  clarification as to  who manages                                                               
the energy supply of the Cook Inlet.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY  echoed Representative Mear's question  and asked for                                                               
more information  regarding the  variety of energy  production in                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BOYLE responded  that the governor has  a task force                                                               
that is currently studying available  low-cost energy options for                                                               
Alaskans  and  gave  a  few  examples  of  such  low-cost  energy                                                               
options.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BURDICK moved to slide  20, titled "Forecast Proved Developed                                                               
& Proved Undeveloped," which displayed  a graph that compared the                                                               
forecast of projects in the  Cook Inlet Region that are predicted                                                               
to be  developed versus projects  that are predicted to  not come                                                               
to fruition.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MEZA   continued  to  slide  21,   titled  "Forecast  Proved                                                               
Developed & Proved Undeveloped,"  which displayed a graph similar                                                               
to the graph shown on slide 20.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ARMSTRONG asked  whether further  gas exploration                                                               
is economically viable.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. CROWTHER explained  that the depiction of  2041 production on                                                               
slide 21 is merely a reflection  of the 2022 production and usage                                                               
study of the Cook Inlet Region.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:14:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BURDICK  concluded  the presentation  on  slide  22,  titled                                                               
"Division  of Oil  &  Gas Studies  Compared,"  which displayed  a                                                               
graph that compared  the amount of gas produced during  a year in                                                               
bcf versus  the amount  of estimated gas  in Cook  Inlet reserves                                                               
that same year.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:17:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCKAY asked  about recent  lease sales  in the  Cook Inlet                                                               
Region to Hilcorp Inc.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. CROWTHER  explained which areas  of Cook Inlet  were acquired                                                               
under leases by DNR.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SADDLER   asked    for   confirmation   of   his                                                               
understanding  that economic  limitations  are hindering  further                                                               
development of natural gas in the Cook Inlet Region.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BOYLE confirmed that  is correct and emphasized that                                                               
the biggest  challenge for  a company wanting  to develop  gas in                                                               
the Cook  Inlet Region  is the  fixed demand of  the region.   He                                                               
said that this fixed demand doesn't incentivize economic growth.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:21:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ARMSTRONG asked  how much  gas would  need to  be                                                               
produced to make gas export economically viable.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSSIONER BOYLE  said that the  most important factor  to LNG                                                               
export is  the need  for a  large quantity of  gas and  said that                                                               
there  must be  a  competitive  cost to  supply  LNG  to a  given                                                               
consumer.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:25:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DIBERT  asked whether DNR has  received any public                                                               
input regarding  the impending natural  gas shortage in  the Cook                                                               
Inlet Region.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CROWTHER replied  that DNR  has not  received many  comments                                                               
since  its  initial announcement  a  week  prior to  the  current                                                               
committee meeting.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE commented that natural gas has purposes                                                                   
beyond heating someone's home and thanked the presenters for                                                                    
their time.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:28:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Resources Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 2:28 p.m.                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HRES DOG 2022 Cook Inlet Gas Forecast 2.6.23.pdf HRES 2/6/2023 1:00:00 PM
2022 Cook Inlet Gas Forecast Report.pdf HRES 2/6/2023 1:00:00 PM