Legislature(1993 - 1994)

04/13/1994 08:15 AM House RES

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               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                              
                         April 13, 1994                                        
                            8:15 a.m.                                          
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
  Representative Bill Williams, Chairman                                       
  Representative Bill Hudson, Vice Chairman                                    
  Representative Con Bunde                                                     
  Representative Pat Carney                                                    
  Representative John Davies                                                   
  Representative Joe Green                                                     
  Representative Jeannette James                                               
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
  Representative David Finkelstein                                             
  Representative Eldon Mulder                                                  
                                                                               
  OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                    
                                                                               
  Representative Carl Moses                                                    
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
  Confirmation Hearing:                                                        
                                                                               
       Board of Fisheries:                                                     
                                                                               
            Kay Andrew                                                         
            Dick Bower                                                         
            Larry Engel                                                        
                                                                               
       Board of Game                                                           
                                                                               
            Richard Burley                                                     
            Ed Grasser                                                         
            Ernest Polley                                                      
                                                                               
       Big Game Commercial Services Board                                      
                                                                               
            Scott Ogan                                                         
            Thomas Scarborough                                                 
                                                                               
       Commercial Fisheries Entry Commission                                   
                                                                               
            Dale Anderson                                                      
                                                                               
       Oil and Gas Conservation Commission                                     
                                                                               
            Tuckerman Babcock                                                  
                                                                               
       COMMITTEE REPORTS SIGNED FOR ALL APPOINTEES                             
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
  LARRY ENGEL                                                                  
  P.O. Box 197                                                                 
  Palmer, Alaska   99645                                                       
  Phone:  745-4132                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Appointee, Board of Fisheries                            
                                                                               
  DONALD WESTLUND                                                              
  P.O. Box 7883                                                                
  Ketchikan, Alaska   99901                                                    
  Phone:  225-9319                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Kay Andrew's confirmation                        
                                                                               
  BRIAN WARMUTH, Chairman                                                      
  Ketchikan Trollers Committee                                                 
  P.O. Box 6342                                                                
  Ketchikan, Alaska   99901                                                    
  Phone:  225-0432                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Kay Andrew's confirmation                      
                                                                               
  GEORGE YASKA, Director of Wildlife                                           
  Tanana Chiefs Conference                                                     
  122 1st Avenue                                                               
  Fairbanks, Alaska   99701                                                    
  Phone:  452-8251                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Larry Engel's and all Board of                 
                      Game appointees confirmation; Opposed                    
                      Kay Andrew's and Dick Bower's                            
                      confirmation                                             
                                                                               
  GEOFF BULLOCK, Representative                                                
  United Southeast Alaska Gillnetters                                          
  204 N. Franklin, Suite 2                                                     
  Juneau, Alaska   99801                                                       
  Phone:  586-5860                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Kay Andrew's confirmation                      
                                                                               
  DALE BONDURANT                                                               
  HC1 Box 1197                                                                 
  Soldotna, Alaska   99669                                                     
  POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Larry Engel's and Dick Bower's                 
                      confirmation                                             
                                                                               
  BEN ELLIS, Executive Director                                                
  Kenai River Sport Fishing, Inc.                                              
  P.O. Box 1228                                                                
  Soldotna, Alaska   99669                                                     
  Phone:  262-8588                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Larry Engel's and Dick Bower's                 
                      confirmation; Opposed Kay Andrew's                       
                      confirmation                                             
                                                                               
  JEFF PARKER, Representative                                                  
  Alaska Sport Fishing Association                                             
  Trout Unlimited                                                              
  1201 Hyder                                                                   
  Anchorage, Alaska   99501                                                    
  Phone:  274-5418                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Larry Engel's and Dick Bower's                 
                      confirmation; Opposed Kay Andrew's                       
                      confirmation                                             
                                                                               
  DAN ALBRECHT, Executive Director                                             
  Yukon River Drainage Fisheries Association                                   
  733 W. 4th, #881                                                             
  Anchorage, Alaska   99501                                                    
  Phone:  279-6519                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Kay Andrew's confirmation                        
                                                                               
  KAREN SAMUELSON, Fisheries Specialist                                        
  Association of Village Council Presidents                                    
  P.O. Box 219                                                                 
  Bethel, Alaska   99559                                                       
  Phone:  543-3521                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Kay Andrew's and Dick Bower's                    
                      confirmation                                             
                                                                               
  MYRON NANENG, President                                                      
  Association of Village Council Presidents                                    
  P.O. Box 219                                                                 
  Bethel, Alaska   99559                                                       
  Phone:  543-3521                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Kay Andrew's and Dick Bower's                    
                      confirmation                                             
                                                                               
  ARTHUR NELSON, Fisheries Specialist                                          
  Kawerak, Inc.                                                                
  P.O. Box 948                                                                 
  Nome, Alaska   99762                                                         
  Phone:  443-5231                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Kay Andrew's and Dick Bower's                    
                      confirmation; Supported Larry Engel's                    
                      confirmation                                             
                                                                               
  EILEEN NORBERT, Executive Director                                           
  Kawerak, Inc.                                                                
  P.O. Box 948                                                                 
  Nome, Alaska   99762                                                         
  Phone:  443-5231                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Kay Andrew's and Dick Bower's                    
                      confirmation;  Supported Larry Engel's                   
                      confirmation                                             
                                                                               
  CHARLES SLATSKY                                                              
  Address Unavailable                                                          
  Unalakleet, Alaska   99684                                                   
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Kay Andrew's and Dick Bower's                    
                      confirmation                                             
                                                                               
  DEBBIE GIFFORD, Member                                                       
  Port Alexander Fish and Game Advisory Board                                  
  P.O. Box 8125                                                                
  Port Alexander, Alaska   99836                                               
  Phone:  568-2244                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Kay Andrew's confirmation                      
                                                                               
  DENNIS LONGSMITH                                                             
  P.O. Box 8066                                                                
  Port Alexander, Alaska   99836                                               
  Phone:  568-2243                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Kay Andrew's confirmation                      
                                                                               
  ROBERT JAHNKE                                                                
  P.O. Box 991                                                                 
  Ward Cove, Alaska   99928                                                    
  Phone:  247-8207                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Kay Andrew's confirmation                      
                                                                               
  KATIE FISHER                                                                 
  P.O. Box 8052                                                                
  Ketchikan, Alaska   99901                                                    
  Phone:  225-7688                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Kay Andrew's confirmation                      
                                                                               
  CHESTER DURAND, Chairman                                                     
  Alaska Resident Sport Anglers Association                                    
  6590 Glacier Highway, #139                                                   
  Juneau, Alaska   99801                                                       
  Phone:  780-6889                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Dick Bower's and Larry Engel's                   
                      confirmation                                             
                                                                               
  KATE TROLL, Executive Director                                               
  Southeast Alaska Seiners Association                                         
  9226 Long Run                                                                
  Juneau, Alaska   99801                                                       
  Phone:  789-5117                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Kay Andrew's confirmation                      
                                                                               
  JOSEPH JOLLY, President                                                      
  United Cook Inlet Drift Association                                          
  HC02 P.O. Box 753                                                            
  Soldotna, Alaska   99669                                                     
  Phone:  283-9505                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Kay Andrew's confirmation;                     
                      Opposed Larry Engel's and Dick Bower's                   
                      confirmation                                             
                                                                               
  KARL KIRCHER, Vice President                                                 
  Kenai Peninsula Fishermen Association                                        
  P.O. Box 95                                                                  
  Kasilof, Alaska   99610                                                      
  Phone:  262-2519                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Dick Bower's confirmation                        
                                                                               
  HENRY MITCHELL, Executive Director                                           
  Bering Sea Fishermen's Association                                           
  725 Christenson Drive                                                        
  Anchorage, Alaska   99501                                                    
  Phone:  279-6519                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Kay Andrew's confirmation                        
                                                                               
  HAROLD SPARCK                                                                
  P.O. Box 267                                                                 
  Bethel, Alaska   99559                                                       
  Phone:  543-3788                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Kay Andrew's confirmation                        
                                                                               
  PAGE HERRING, Board Member                                                   
  Northern District Setnetters Association                                     
  P.O. Box 878837                                                              
  Wasilla, Alaska   99687                                                      
  Phone:  376-7243                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Kay Andrew's and Dick Bower's                    
                      confirmation                                             
                                                                               
  FRANK CHARLES, Executive Director                                            
  Coastal and In-Rivers Fisheries Alliance                                     
  P.O. Box 927                                                                 
  Bethel, Alaska   99559                                                       
  Phone:  543-2608                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Kay Andrew's and Dick Bower's                    
                      confirmation                                             
                                                                               
  NEVIN MAY                                                                    
  P.O. Box 3160                                                                
  Ketchikan, Alaska   99901                                                    
  Phone:  247-4685                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Kay Andrew's confirmation                      
                                                                               
  HAROLD HELFRICH                                                              
  P.O. Box 6278                                                                
  Ketchikan, Alaska    99901                                                   
  Phone:  225-4058                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Kay Andrew's confirmation                      
                                                                               
  DEAN PADDOCK, Representative                                                 
  Bristol Bay Driftnetters Association                                         
  P.O. Box 21951                                                               
  Juneau, Alaska   99802                                                       
  Phone:  463-4970                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Neutral position                                         
                                                                               
  JERRY MCCUNE, President                                                      
  United Fishermen of Alaska                                                   
  211 Fourth St., #211                                                         
  Juneau, Alaska   99801                                                       
  Phone:  586-2820                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Kay Andrew's confirmation;                     
                      Opposed Larry Engel's and Dick Bower's                   
                      confirmation                                             
  MARY HELFRICH                                                                
  P.O. Box 6278                                                                
  Ketchikan, Alaska   99901                                                    
  Phone:  225-4058                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Kay Andrew's confirmation                      
                                                                               
  DAVID BRAY, Secretary-Treasurer                                              
  United Southeast Alaska Gillnetters                                          
  2729 Tongass Avenue                                                          
  Ketchikan, Alaska   99901                                                    
  Phone:  225-3505                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Kay Andrew's confirmation                      
                                                                               
  ROLLO BRAY                                                                   
  2729 Tongass Avenue                                                          
  Ketchikan, Alaska   99901                                                    
  Phone:  225-3505                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Kay Andrew's confirmation                      
                                                                               
  AL WICKENS                                                                   
  P.O. Box 9465                                                                
  Ketchikan, Alaska   99901                                                    
  Phone:  225-7623                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Kay Andrew's confirmation                      
                                                                               
  GREG RICE                                                                    
  200 Mattle Road                                                              
  Ketchikan, Alaska   99901                                                    
  Phone:  225-3093                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported Kay Andrew's confirmation                     
                                                                               
  KEN DUCKETT                                                                  
  P.O. Box 3178                                                                
  Ketchikan, Alaska    99901                                                   
  Phone: 225-0241                                                              
  POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Kay Andrew's confirmation                      
                                                                               
  DICK BOWER                                                                   
  P.O. Box 3662                                                                
  Soldotna, Alaska   99669                                                     
  Phone:  262-7132                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Appointee, Board of Fisheries                            
                                                                               
  KAY ANDREW                                                                   
  P.O. Box 7211                                                                
  Ketchikan, Alaska   99901                                                    
  Phone:  225-2463                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT: Appointee, Board of Fisheries                            
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
  TAPE 94-51, SIDE A                                                           
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  The House Resources Committee was called to order by                         
  Chairman Bill Williams at 8:27 a.m.  Members present at the                  
  call to order were Representatives Williams, Hudson, Bunde,                  
  Carney, and Green.  Members absent were Representatives                      
  Davies, Finkelstein, James, and Mulder.                                      
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN BILL WILLIAMS announced there is a quorum present.                  
  He stated the meeting is on teleconference with Anchorage,                   
  Bethel, Cordova, Dillingham, Fairbanks, Ketchikan, Mat-Su,                   
  Nome, Petersburg, Sitka, Kenai/Soldotna, Port Alexander, and                 
  Unalakleet.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 023                                                                   
                                                                               
  LARRY ENGEL, APPOINTEE, BOARD OF FISHERIES (BOF), PALMER,                    
  testified via teleconference and stated he came to Alaska in                 
  1958 and has lived in the state since then.  He spent 32                     
  years with the Alaska Department of Fish and Game (ADF&G) as                 
  a fishery biologist.  He stated he has gained much from the                  
  fishery resources in the state.  He felt he has the                          
  qualifications, interest, and the time to voluntarily give                   
  back to that resource.                                                       
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BILL HUDSON asked Mr. Engel to comment on his                 
  career as a fish biologist and what areas he served.                         
                                                                               
  MR. ENGEL responded he served less than a year in Juneau and                 
  his remaining work was in the Cook Inlet area.  Initially,                   
  he functioned as a research biologist with the Division of                   
  Sport Fish and for the past 25 years, as a management                        
  biologist with the same division.                                            
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked Mr. Engel if he has any                          
  contractual relationship with the Mat-Su Borough.                            
                                                                               
  MR. ENGEL stated prior to being appointed to the BOF, he                     
  served as a Fishery Advisor to the Mat-Su Borough but upon                   
  being appointed to the BOF, he extinguished that                             
  relationship.                                                                
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE CON BUNDE clarified that Mr. Engel is aware                   
  of the Kenai red salmon allocation problem and asked if he                   
  has any ideas about solving that problem.                                    
                                                                               
  MR. ENGEL responded there needs to be an adjustment of the                   
  allocation of red salmon in the Cook Inlet area.  He felt                    
  Ms. Andrew took a desirable first step to review the problem                 
  by appointing a group of fishermen, from both sides of the                   
  issue, to try to work toward a consensus point to bring back                 
  to the BOF for action in the fall.                                           
                                                                               
  Number 077                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked how the legislature, while                       
  trying to serve all of the various gear groups and regions,                  
  can best achieve an impartial and professional view on the                   
  premise of the board.  He wondered if the current                            
  constitution of the BOF and the way the board operates                       
  provides for impartiality and professionalism.                               
                                                                               
  MR. ENGEL replied the current BOF process is not perfect but                 
  he felt there is no way to change that process.  He stressed                 
  there is a need to have lay people with different expertise                  
  on the BOF, people sensitive to people's issues, good                        
  listeners, and people who try to come up with a responsible                  
  decision when there are different opinions throughout the                    
  regional areas or between commercial, sport, or personal use                 
  fishermen.  He said the fishery resources are very valued                    
  resources which are high in demand and there will always be                  
  a certain amount of debate on issues regarding these                         
  resources.  He felt it is important to have the very best                    
  possible group of people willing to serve on the BOF.                        
                                                                               
  MR. ENGEL stated the fisheries are in good shape currently                   
  as compared to the beginning of statehood, which can partly                  
  be attributed to the BOF process, ADF&G, the Magnuson Act,                   
  etc.  He thought the BOF is truly a working body.                            
                                                                               
  Number 117                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS asked Mr. Engel to rank the importance of                  
  subsistence, commercial, sport and other fisheries.                          
                                                                               
  MR. ENGEL responded subsistence is the most important.  He                   
  felt the importance of the other uses varies in different                    
  areas of the state.  He felt that is why the BOF exists--to                  
  allocate the resources in the most sensitive, fair, and open                 
  way.                                                                         
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE asked Mr. Engel to comment on what he                   
  feels is the most pressing problem the BOF is currently                      
  facing.                                                                      
                                                                               
  MR. ENGEL stated there are many problems but one of the most                 
  challenging is the problem with who, between the federal and                 
  state government, has jurisdiction over the resources, which                 
  has already had an impact on wildlife management.  Another                   
  problem is the challenges faced with the Bering Sea and the                  
  Gulf of Alaska intercept of salmon and other precious                        
  resources which are administered by the federal government.                  
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE asked Mr. Engel his opinion about the                   
  commercial selling of subsistence caught fish.                               
                                                                               
  MR. ENGEL stated subsistence fishing is primarily for                        
  nutrient purposes.  He did not feel the commercial selling                   
  of subsistence caught fish is a proper or wise use of the                    
  resource.  He stressed the BOF has taken steps to ensure                     
  that subsistence caught fish are used for the purpose they                   
  are intended.                                                                
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON requested Mr. Engel to rate the                        
  support from ADF&G when the BOF is addressing difficult                      
  issues and asked what the most difficult issue the BOF is                    
  facing.                                                                      
                                                                               
  MR. ENGEL stated the ADF&G is one of the finest departments                  
  in the nation and has some very dedicated scientists.  He                    
  said the department is hindered by the lack of funding and                   
  is asked to do remarkable things to manage fishery resources                 
  with very little financial resources being allocated to the                  
  situation.  Therefore, the department operates in a gray                     
  area, in terms of the necessary scientific information                       
  needed for the BOF to make wise decisions to ensure                          
  sustained yield of the state's resources.  He said in the                    
  case of intercept fisheries, these fisheries are occurring                   
  thousands of miles away from where the fish will ultimately                  
  spawn.  He felt intercept fisheries are the most difficult                   
  types of fisheries to manage because they are very costly                    
  because the fish stocks being dealt with are not known and                   
  since they are being caught, possible surpluses are also not                 
  known.  It is a real dilemma for ADF&G to wisely manage                      
  intercept fisheries, especially when the department does not                 
  have the resources to research the various aspects.                          
                                                                               
  MR. ENGEL said in the case of the chum salmon problem in                     
  Western Alaska and the Unimak/Shumagin Islands intercept                     
  fishery, the whole basis of the decision made was based on                   
  tagging done in 1987.  That is the type of knowledge                         
  currently in existence for the impact of that fishery.  He                   
  felt the state has not invested enough in the fishery                        
  resources to ensure the wisest continued use of these                        
  resources.                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked Mr. Engel what year he retired.                  
                                                                               
  MR. ENGEL responded 1992.                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 205                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON observed in years past there were                      
  considerably less resources than there are today.  He said                   
  populations have grown and the conflicts between gear groups                 
  has risen to larger proportions.  He clarified that Mr.                      
  Engel made tough decisions in years past.                                    
                                                                               
  MR. ENGEL replied he did and added that the decisions back                   
  then were harder to make because there was even less                         
  information available on which to base the decisions.                        
                                                                               
  Number 220                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON wondered if the BOF should be                          
  constituted differently with advisory boards behind the BOF                  
  and perhaps a commission.                                                    
                                                                               
  MR. ENGEL responded the BOF, although not perfect, has                       
  guided the fishery resources since statehood to all time                     
  record levels of abundance.  He noted there still are not                    
  enough fish for all of the fishery users.  There will always                 
  be a question of what is fair, what is responsible, and what                 
  is the best way to allocate the resources among the variety                  
  of user groups.  He said whether the BOF is a professional                   
  board, full-time board, etc., it always comes down to                        
  social, economic, and other issues and the decisions are                     
  difficult.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 245                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. ENGEL said the BOF needs to be made up of responsible,                   
  fair, open-minded people, whether they are full-time,                        
  professional, or whatever, making these decisions.  He felt                  
  the BOF, as constituted today, is a very workable body.                      
                                                                               
  Number 253                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON said he has no concern in regard to                    
  the desire to serve, the professionalism, and the dedication                 
  the BOF members have.  He stated his concern is whether or                   
  not the system has sufficient flexibility, given the fact                    
  the BOF is dealing with greater and differing populations,                   
  which are pressing upon a changing fish population.                          
                                                                               
  (CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS noted for the record that REPRESENTATIVE                  
  JAMES and REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES joined the committee at 8:35                 
  a.m. and 8:45 a.m.  He also noted that REPRESENTATIVE MOSES                  
  was in the audience.)                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 291                                                                   
                                                                               
  DONALD WESTLUND, KETCHIKAN, testified via teleconference and                 
  expressed opposition to the confirmation of Kay Andrew who                   
  has anti-sport/pro-commercial fishing views.  With between                   
  97-98 percent of the catchable resource being caught by the                  
  commercial fishermen, the sport fishermen need a                             
  representative on the BOF who has fair views.  He felt it is                 
  time for the sport users to get a larger share of the                        
  resource.                                                                    
                                                                               
  BRIAN WARMUTH, KETCHIKAN, testified via teleconference and                   
  stated he is a troller and long liner, and also chairman of                  
  the Ketchikan Trollers Committee.  He expressed support of                   
  Kay Andrew's confirmation.  He stated Ms. Andrew is an                       
  honest and fair person and he is confident that she has the                  
  ability to manage the state's fishery resources in a fair                    
  and equitable manner.                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 334                                                                   
                                                                               
  GEORGE YASKA, DIRECTOR OF WILDLIFE, TANANA CHIEFS CONFERENCE                 
  (TCC), stated TCC supports Larry Engel and the Board of Game                 
  appointees and opposes the confirmation of Kay Andrew and                    
  Dick Bower.  In initially reviewing the resumes and                          
  qualifications of Ms. Andrew and Mr. Bower, TCC was                          
  appreciative of their qualifications.  However, TCC also had                 
  the opportunity to review their performance and found their                  
  performance to be unacceptable.  He said the ADF&G                           
  commissioner and department spoke clearly about the need for                 
  conservation measures in Western Alaska.  He noted the 1987                  
  tag study talked about 20-50 percent of the catch caught in                  
  the False Pass area (Area M) were fish bound for western                     
  Alaska.  Another study stated 70-90 percent of the catch of                  
  chum salmon in Area M were bound for western Alaska.                         
                                                                               
  MR. YASKA said these projections are scary.  When the south                  
  Unimak fishing district catches over 500,000 chum salmon,                    
  while he cannot even catch one chum salmon on the Yukon                      
  River, and people in the Norton Sound have been unable to                    
  catch at least one chum salmon for over seven years, the                     
  situation is unfair.  He advised Ms. Andrew and Mr. Bower                    
  the BOF cannot conduct business as usual and the                             
  commissioner agreed.  ADF&G outlined a range of savings to                   
  be gained if the BOF were to reduce the chum salmon cap at                   
  the intercept fishery of south Unimak.  An example is the                    
  Snake River near Nome.  The department stated the savings                    
  would be from 20-100 fish.  When the stream is down to 300                   
  fish and an extra 100 might be gained, that is a substantial                 
  savings.  He stressed that Ms. Andrew and Mr. Bower said the                 
  savings were not enough and did not justify harming or                       
  placing a financial hardship on the commercial fishery.  TCC                 
  feels Ms. Andrew and Mr. Bower place a higher value on the                   
  commercial fisheries than the conservation of the resource.                  
                                                                               
  Number 401                                                                   
                                                                               
  GEOFF BULLOCK, REPRESENTATIVE, UNITED SOUTHEAST ALASKA                       
  GILLNETTERS (USAG), said when Ms. Andrew had asked USAG to                   
  endorse her for the BOF a year ago, she was advised not to                   
  put her name in because it is difficult to be appointed, go                  
  through several BOF meetings, and then be up for                             
  confirmation since she would then have a track record, which                 
  some people may not like.  He expressed concern about the                    
  precedence being set in the sense that a decision was made,                  
  a vote was taken, and now there is plenty of opposition.  He                 
  stated Ms. Andrew did a great job at the Ketchikan meeting,                  
  not siding with the gillnetters, even though her husband is                  
  a gillnetter.  He felt Ms. Andrew is level headed, sincere,                  
  and goes by the facts.                                                       
                                                                               
  MR. BULLOCK said from what he has heard, there were no facts                 
  on the effects of the False Pass issue.  He felt Ms. Andrew                  
  spoke from her heart by stating another fishery should not                   
  be penalized or shut down because there may be a possibility                 
  a cap might help.  He stressed ADF&G needs to provide solid                  
  figures and facts.  He thought it was unfair to oppose                       
  someone who made a decision based on information which was                   
  not factual.  He felt the committee should be looking at Ms.                 
  Andrew's qualifications and urged their support for her                      
  appointment.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 450                                                                   
                                                                               
  DALE BONDURANT, SOLDOTNA, testified via teleconference and                   
  expressed support of the confirmations of Larry Engel and                    
  Dick Bower.  He has known Mr. Engel for many years and finds                 
  him to be level-headed.  He said Mr. Bower has been an                       
  active public participant in fishery resources issues and                    
  has shown his concern by the amount of work he has done.  He                 
  stated he only heard Ms. Andrew speak for about five days at                 
  a recent BOF hearing but felt she ran an excellent meeting.                  
  However, he has not formed any opinions in regard to her                     
  position on managing for sustained yield, managing mixed                     
  stock fisheries, or conservation of the total fishing                        
  resources.  His position on Ms. Andrew's confirmation is                     
  neutral, although he leans toward favoring her appointment                   
  because of the fact that sometimes the Chair is more                         
  critically appraised than any other member.  He pointed out                  
  the BOF must have had good reasons for selecting Ms. Andrew                  
  as Chair.                                                                    
                                                                               
  BEN ELLIS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, KENAI RIVER SPORT FISHING,                    
  INC. (KRSF), testified via teleconference and stated KRSF                    
  supports the confirmation of Dick Bower and Larry Engel and                  
  opposes the confirmation of Kay Andrew to the BOF.  KRSF                     
  believes that regardless of whether a person is a strong                     
  advocate for commercial fisheries or a staunch supporter of                  
  the sport, personal, or subsistence fishing, everyone agrees                 
  that the state's fisheries have been a critical part of                      
  Alaska's past and will be an important aspect to the state's                 
  future.  He felt everyone also agrees that Alaska's fishing                  
  footprint is changing.  The depressed prices for                             
  commercially caught fish, overseas competition from pen-                     
  reared salmon, and wanton waste of hundreds of thousands of                  
  incidental bycatch each year has sent commercial fishing                     
  into a tail spin.                                                            
                                                                               
  Number 515                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. ELLIS said while the state's commercial fishing industry                 
  is facing one of the toughest decades ever, personal use,                    
  sport, and subsistence fishing has grown from a wet behind                   
  the ears towhead to an adult in the state's economic and                     
  political arena.  He stated sport fishing continues to field                 
  a growing tourist economy which accounted for more than $1                   
  billion last year, more Alaskans are asking for a larger                     
  share of the state's fishery pie to fill their freezers and                  
  Alaska Natives continue to push, under federal and state                     
  laws, for more of this already fully allocated resource for                  
  their traditional and customary lifestyles, as they should.                  
  To meet these challenges, there must be BOF members who                      
  realize that mixed stock fisheries must be harvested for the                 
  most part after the stock has naturally separated themselves                 
  into terminal rivers and streams.  There must be BOF members                 
  who will act to protect the resource first, provide                          
  noncommercial users their constitutional right and then                      
  after these commitments have been met, allow a commercial                    
  harvest of any surplus fish.  There must be BOF members who                  
  will bring changing management plans to fit the new                          
  footprint.                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. ELLIS stated KRSF believes Mr. Bower and Mr. Engel                       
  measure up to these standards.  Even though KRSF may not                     
  agree with all of Mr. Bower's and Mr. Engel's  votes, in                     
  listening to their reasoning, it is hard to fault these two                  
  men who bring a sport fishing perspective to the BOF from                    
  Southcentral Alaska.  He noted KRSF believes Ms. Andrew is a                 
  fine individual, and has appeared to give her best shot                      
  during the year she has served on the BOF.  However, her                     
  continued apparent bias toward protecting the state's                        
  commercially dominated fisheries management plans, at the                    
  expense of terminal users, and more recently, her inability                  
  as Board Chair to apply the newly developed mixed stock                      
  management plan during the AYK area (indiscernible), among                   
  other things, leads KRSF to oppose her confirmation.  He                     
  said it is a critical time for the BOF and the board must be                 
  comprised of members who will respond to the public's wishes                 
  for change which is not all status quo.  He stressed Mr.                     
  Bower and Mr. Engel know what needs to be done to make the                   
  transition to the new Alaska fisheries.                                      
                                                                               
  Number 564                                                                   
                                                                               
  JEFF PARKER, REPRESENTATIVE, ALASKA SPORT FISHING                            
  ASSOCIATION AND TROUT UNLIMITED, testified via                               
  teleconference and stated both organizations support the                     
  confirmations of Dick Bower and Larry Engel and oppose the                   
  confirmation of Kay Andrew.  He stated the BOF needs the                     
  best possible people to deal with fishery conservation and                   
  allocation issues, which should not be determined so much by                 
  how any given individual votes on any particular issue, but                  
  rather should be determined first by putting conservation of                 
  the fishery resources ahead of any other user group's                        
  interest and ahead of allocation.  The BOF members need to                   
  recognize that after conservation is the subsistence                         
  priority and then allocations between different user groups.                 
                                                                               
  MR. PARKER said there is a need to have people on the BOF                    
  who have the highest integrity, who can put the public's                     
  interests above personal interests, who can deal with                        
  complex issues in the context of decreased budgets and                       
  limited information, and who can work with and get the                       
  respect of ADF&G's staff.  Both organizations believe Ms.                    
  Andrew does not meet this criteria.  He stated Ms. Andrew                    
  appears to have the inability to deal with and implement the                 
  mixed stock policy in the Area M fishery, where ADF&G has                    
  clear factual data showing the amount of intercepts of chum                  
  salmon, the degree of the conservation problem at issue in                   
  western Alaska and the degree of the noncompliance with the                  
  subsistence priority.  It is felt that Ms. Andrew ignored                    
  the data, which is part of the reason why both organizations                 
  do not support her confirmation.                                             
                                                                               
  MR. PARKER stressed what is more important is how any BOF                    
  member addresses the complex issues and the data presented                   
  by ADF&G staff.  It is felt that Ms. Andrew did not try and                  
  assimilate that data and did not do an adequate job of                       
  leading the Board toward utilizing that data.  Both                          
  organizations feel that Mr. Engel has impeccable credentials                 
  and clearly understands that conservation comes first,                       
  understands subsistence priorities, and the complexities of                  
  the allocation issues.  In regard to Mr. Bower and his vote                  
  on the Area M, it is felt he tried to grapple with very                      
  complex issues.  Mr. Parker thought that Mr. Bower does                      
  understand that the conservation priority is first, which                    
  was reflected in his testimony on Monday and he clearly                      
  understands the subsistence priority.  Although Mr. Parker                   
  disagreed with how Mr. Bower voted on the chum cap issue, he                 
  felt Mr. Bower brings to the BOF the type of capability                      
  necessary to make these decisions.                                           
                                                                               
  Number 632                                                                   
                                                                               
  DAN ALBRECHT, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, YUKON RIVER DRAINAGE                       
  FISHERIES ASSOCIATION, testified via teleconference and                      
  expressed opposition to the confirmation of Kay Andrew to                    
  the BOF.  He said he had heard Ms. Andrew state on Monday                    
  that ADF&G had said only 4,000 fish would be saved if the                    
  chum salmon cap was reduced to 300,000.  He clarified that                   
  the 4,000 fish to be saved was for the Norton Sound alone                    
  and the actual savings for western Alaska chum salmon would                  
  be from 20-50 percent (as indicated by the tag study) or                     
  perhaps above that.  Therefore, the potential savings would                  
  be from 150,000 to 300,000 fish for western Alaska, at a                     
  time when the escapement goals were not even being met, when                 
  commercial fisheries were closed, and at a time when even                    
  the subsistence fisheries were closed.                                       
                                                                               
  MR. ALBRECHT recalled at the time, there was a lot of                        
  discussion that a cap would not make that much difference,                   
  yet there were a lot of fish missing.  He said the Director                  
  of Commercial Fisheries, Jeff Koenings and the ADF&G                         
  commissioner had pointed out that every single fish helps.                   
  He pointed out that in the Yukon area, there has been a                      
  drastically restricted commercial fisheries since 1990 and                   
  there were complete subsistence closures in 1993, all done                   
  to protect the resource.  The fishermen understand the need                  
  to cut back yet those fishermen go to the BOF meetings and                   
  watch Ms. Andrew do everything she can to ensure that Area M                 
  gets their red salmon and ignore the conservation mandate                    
  for chum salmon.                                                             
                                                                               
  MR. ALBRECHT stated it was pointed out by several experts at                 
  the BOF meetings that the chum salmon cap needs to be                        
  lowered and they showed clear savings, depending on how much                 
  the cap was reduced.  He stressed the fishermen in the                       
  villages are frustrated and are wondering if there is a need                 
  to close subsistence fishing for five or ten years before                    
  the BOF will do anything to restrict the mixed stock                         
  commercial intercept fishery.  Mr. Albrecht said his                         
  association urges the rejection of Ms. Andrew's                              
  confirmation.                                                                
                                                                               
  Number 712                                                                   
                                                                               
  KAREN SAMUELSON, FISHERIES SPECIALIST, ASSOCIATION OF                        
  VILLAGE COUNCIL PRESIDENTS (AVCP), testified via                             
  teleconference and stated AVCP opposes the confirmation of                   
  Kay Andrew and Dick Bower to the BOF.  She pointed out that                  
  at the last BOF meeting, both Mr. Bower and Ms. Andrew voted                 
  against the conservation of chum salmon in western Alaska by                 
  not attempting to lower the chum salmon cap.  ADF&G                          
  presented information which stated that chum stocks                          
  returning to the AYK region have been declining and despite                  
  significant efforts to revoke the decline, it has not                        
  helped.  ADF&G is forecasting below average returns and if                   
  the survival rate for chum salmon is similar to 1993,                        
  returns will be critically low.  She stressed that situation                 
  will result in subsistence closures and restrictions in                      
  Norton Sound, Yukon, and Kuskokwim River drainages.                          
                                                                               
  MS. SAMUELSON stated ADF&G had stressed that savings from a                  
  reduced cap would be significant.  With this information and                 
  the department's recommendation to lower the chum salmon                     
  cap, both Ms. Andrew and Mr. Bower voted not to lower the                    
  cap.  By this action, they have clearly shown they hold                      
  commercial and economic interests over historic sustained                    
  yield.  She said the Alaska BOF is a valuable process, but                   
  it is only as effective as the people on the board.  AVCP                    
  believes that Ms. Andrew and Mr. Bower do not intend to                      
  uphold the requirements of the law for sustained yield or                    
  subsistence priority, especially in light of the                             
  conservation crisis, making the BOF process biased and                       
  unworkable.  AVCP feels upholding the state's requirement                    
  for sustained yield and subsistence priority are a necessary                 
  qualification for the members of the board, of which Ms.                     
  Andrew and Mr. Bower do not have.  AVCP requests the House                   
  Resources Committee to not confirm the appointments of Mr.                   
  Bower and Ms. Andrew to the BOF.                                             
                                                                               
  TAPE 94-51, SIDE B                                                           
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  MYRON NANENG, PRESIDENT, AVCP, testified via teleconference                  
  and stated the March BOF meeting was the third meeting to                    
  address conservation concerns.  He stressed the BOF voted to                 
  ignore the sustained yield principle and the requirements of                 
  the State Constitution.  He pointed out that Kay Andrew and                  
  Dick Bower ignored the fact that Area M is part of the                       
  migratory route of the chum salmon now in trouble.  He felt                  
  these actions reflect a problem with the BOF system.                         
  Comments such as "the fishery a thousand miles away does not                 
  have any impact on the fishery in the AYK area" makes him                    
  wonder if the BOF is going to wait until the complete                        
  elimination of those types of fish before any action is                      
  taken.  He gave an example of conservation efforts in regard                 
  to migratory birds.                                                          
                                                                               
  MR. NANENG felt these type of situations and actions have to                 
  be looked at when considering people for the BOF.  If this                   
  problem continues to be ignored, the people affected by this                 
  system are going to be looking at the Endangered Species Act                 
  for their protection.  AVCP requests the House Resources                     
  Committee to oppose the appointments of Kay Andrew and Dick                  
  Bower who have further placed people into federal management                 
  and given them more reason to do so because currently,                       
  federal management is the people's only alternative to                       
  protect the resource and their livelihood.  He stressed                      
  people should not be scolded by the BOF Chair for pleading                   
  to have food on their tables.  AVCP does not support Ms.                     
  Andrew or Mr. Bower because they voted to eliminate a                        
  resource of the state.                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 042                                                                   
                                                                               
  ARTHUR NELSON, FISHERIES SPECIALIST, KAWERAK, INC.,                          
  testified via teleconference and stated with the outcome of                  
  the March BOF meetings, it seems it will be business as                      
  usual for the Area M fishermen.  He said when Kay Andrew and                 
  Dick Bower voted against the reduction in the chum cap, they                 
  essentially voted against the state's sustained yield policy                 
  and subsistence use priority.  He felt the March BOF                         
  meetings failed to do much about the real problem at hand.                   
  The BOF was shown there is a link between a decline in                       
  western Alaska chum salmon runs and the commercial                           
  interceptions occurring within Area M.  He pointed out                       
  little was done to solve the problem, except to place more                   
  restrictions upon the terminal fishermen of AYK who are                      
  already carrying the full burden of conservation.                            
                                                                               
  MR. NELSON stated when basing decisions on little                            
  information, it seems logical to error on the side of                        
  conservation.  The BOF members voting against the 300,000                    
  chum cap erred on the side of economics.  He quoted a                        
  statement which Kay Andrew made before the BOF voted on the                  
  cap where she put the potential economic impacts of Area M                   
  above the sustained yield for the depressed chum stocks.                     
  She said, "Is it worth taking that away from the people in                   
  the North Peninsula and causing them gigantic financial                      
  difficulties for twenty fish in the Snake River."  He                        
  stressed 20 fish is highly significant to such a severely                    
  depressed stock such as the Snake River.                                     
                                                                               
  MR. NELSON stressed the issue was not only about 20 fish for                 
  the Snake River.  He stated according to the data which was                  
  before the BOF in March, a cap meant up to 43,000 fish for                   
  the Yukon, 42,000 for the Kuskokwim, and 16,000 for the                      
  Norton Sound.  He recalled at the Monday morning House                       
  Resources Committee meeting, Ms. Andrew stated incorrectly                   
  that the reduced chum cap would only mean an extra 4,000                     
  fish for AYK.  He pointed out the reduction in the chum cap                  
  would actually give 98,000 chum salmon back to the AYK area.                 
  He also recalled that Ms. Andrew and Mr. Bower had mentioned                 
  troll bycatch at that earlier meeting.  He felt those                        
  comments were an effort to draw attention away from the                      
  issue which was before them in March.  He said troll bycatch                 
  may very well be another cause for the chum decline but that                 
  was not up to the BOF, but rather Area M was and it was                      
  shown to be an interception problem.                                         
                                                                               
  MR. NELSON commended Commissioner Rosier and Larry Engel for                 
  their willingness to take a stand on the conservation of                     
  chum salmon in western Alaska.  He felt Ms. Andrew and Mr.                   
  Bower failed to heed the recommendations of the department                   
  and see the urgency of the problem.  He expressed opposition                 
  to the confirmation of Kay Andrew and Dick Bower and                         
  supports Larry Engel's confirmation.                                         
                                                                               
  Number 080                                                                   
                                                                               
  EILEEN NORBERT, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, KAWERAK, INC., testified                 
  via teleconference and strongly urged committee members to                   
  not confirm Kay Andrew and Dick Bower for the BOF.  Kawerak,                 
  Inc. supports the confirmation of Larry Engel.  She stressed                 
  there is a critical conservation problem in Norton Sound and                 
  noted that Norton Sound chum salmon are the most depressed                   
  stocks in western Alaska and have been so for the longest                    
  period of time.  Subsistence fishing has been closed to the                  
  Nome subdistrict for the past three years, last year Elim                    
  was closed down, and next year the area biologists predict                   
  subsistence fishing will have to be shut down in Golovin.                    
                                                                               
  MS. NORBERT stated ADF&G has acknowledged all regulatory                     
  measures implemented to address the situation have not                       
  worked.  There have been no subsistence fish in the Snake                    
  River for many years and last year, only 317 fish escaped.                   
  She said people tend to forget that the Area M chum harvest                  
  is a bycatch.  The chum cap was put into effect as a                         
  conservation measure.  She felt Area M is treated like a                     
  sacred cow which cannot be touched.  She pointed out that                    
  Ms. Andrew and Mr. Bower did not hesitate to vote for more                   
  restrictions on the AYK area.  She noted that residents in                   
  the AYK area are willing to do their part.  However, neither                 
  Ms. Andrew or Mr. Bower voted to reduce the Area M bycatch,                  
  which showed a dereliction of duties considering what the                    
  State Constitution, stated regulations and the BOF mixed                     
  stock policy all say about conservation being first,                         
  subsistence priority next and then other uses later.                         
                                                                               
  MS. NORBERT stated all that is desired is good judgment and                  
  fair treatment.  She felt Ms. Andrew was contradictory on                    
  what she said at the March meeting and what she said at                      
  Monday's House Resources Committee meeting.                                  
                                                                               
  Number 132                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHARLES SLATSKY, UNALAKLEET, testified via teleconference                    
  and stated he is a subsistence and commercial fisherman.  He                 
  expressed opposition to the confirmation of Kay Andrew and                   
  Dick Bower to the BOF.  He stressed Alaska needs a BOF Chair                 
  who looks at the entire state and regional complexities and                  
  he felt Ms. Andrew does not have that capability.  He said                   
  at the March BOF meetings, Ms. Andrew (indiscernible)                        
  regarding the Area M chum cap.  He noted Ms. Andrew                          
  contradicts herself.  At the most recent Kawerak Board of                    
  Elders meeting, she said she would support the subsistence                   
  effort at the BOF meeting, yet did not do so.  He felt Ms.                   
  Andrew has a callused attitude toward ADF&G staff, who gave                  
  her a recommendation to lower the chum cap and gave proof                    
  there is a scientific link between Area M and the AYK area.                  
  He remarked that Mr. Bower has the same attitude toward the                  
  AYK region.  He stressed Alaska needs two effective BOF                      
  members who will look at the whole picture.                                  
                                                                               
  Number 160                                                                   
                                                                               
  DEBBIE GIFFORD, MEMBER, PORT ALEXANDER FISH AND GAME                         
  ADVISORY BOARD, testified via teleconference and expressed                   
  support for the confirmation of Kay Andrew.  She saw Ms.                     
  Andrew at work at the Ketchikan January BOF meetings and                     
  felt Ms. Andrew conducted herself in a professional manner,                  
  was easy to approach with questions, and was attentive and                   
  responsive to concerns expressed.  She pointed out that Ms.                  
  Andrew did not hesitate to ask questions if she was not                      
  clear on a subject.                                                          
                                                                               
  DENNIS LONGSMITH, PORT ALEXANDER, testified via                              
  teleconference and expressed support for the confirmation of                 
  Kay Andrew to the BOF.  He stated Ms. Andrew represents                      
  Southeast Alaska and commercial fisheries.  He felt it is                    
  important to have all groups and areas represented on the                    
  BOF and therefore, he does not oppose the confirmations of                   
  Larry Engel or Dick Bower.  He said at the January BOF                       
  meetings in Ketchikan, he found Ms. Andrew to be attentive,                  
  approachable, and considerate in deliberations.                              
                                                                               
  Number 185                                                                   
                                                                               
  ROBERT JAHNKE, WARD COVE, testified via teleconference and                   
  expressed support for the confirmation of Kay Andrew.  He                    
  said he had witnessed Ms. Andrew over the years and the key                  
  word with Ms. Andrew is integrity.  He also felt Ms. Andrew                  
  is intelligent and fair.  He stated Ms. Andrew makes fair                    
  decisions and is familiar with all of the regions in the                     
  state, as well as the controversies and problems at hand.                    
  He expressed support also for the BOF and Advisory Board                     
  processes.                                                                   
                                                                               
  KATIE FISHER, KETCHIKAN, testified via teleconference and                    
  noted her husband has been a commercial fisherman in                         
  Southeast Alaska for 20 years.  She and her husband both                     
  support the confirmation of Kay Andrew to the BOF because                    
  she provides the best representation for southern Southeast                  
  Alaska fisheries.                                                            
                                                                               
  Number 216                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHESTER DURAND, CHAIRMAN, ALASKA RESIDENT SPORT ANGLERS                      
  ASSOCIATION (ARSAA), expressed opposition to the                             
  confirmation of Larry Engel and Dick Bower.  ARSAA believes                  
  Mr. Engel and Mr. Bower both have strong ties to the                         
  commercial charter fishing industry and therefore cannot                     
  support the resident sport anglers and subsistence users.                    
  It is felt Mr. Engel and Mr. Bower will go forward with the                  
  commercial charter industry first and then whatever is left                  
  over will go back to the personal use fishermen.                             
                                                                               
  KATE TROLL, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, SOUTHEAST ALASKA SEINERS                     
  ASSOCIATION, said committee members will probably think                      
  because her association is a commercial group, it will                       
  automatically support Kay Andrew's confirmation.  She                        
  stressed it is not automatic because the seiners and                         
  gillnetters have a history of long, controversial allocation                 
  battles in Southeast Alaska and when Ms. Andrew's name came                  
  up, there were concerns and questions.  She stated Ms.                       
  Andrew was observed at the Ketchikan BOF meetings and after                  
  that meeting, the Southeast Alaska Seiners Association Board                 
  voted unanimously to support Ms. Andrew.  Ms. Andrew treated                 
  Ms. Troll's board fairly and openly and asked good                           
  questions.  It was felt that Ms. Andrew had the interest of                  
  all users in mind.  The fact that Ms. Troll's board supports                 
  Ms. Andrew, after a history  of confrontation with the other                 
  gear group, speaks well of her ability to go forward and                     
  serve the state.                                                             
                                                                               
  Number 256                                                                   
                                                                               
  JOSEPH JOLLY, PRESIDENT, UNITED COOK INLET DRIFT ASSOCIATION                 
  (UCIDA), testified via teleconference and expressed support                  
  for the confirmation of Kay Andrew and opposes the                           
  confirmations of Larry Engel and Dick Bower.  He said                        
  letters contained in committee members' folders indicate a                   
  neutral position on Mr. Bower but after Monday's House                       
  Resources Committee meeting and Mr. Bower's response to a                    
  question posed by Representative Nicholia, the UCIDA Board                   
  voted unanimously to oppose the confirmation of Dick Bower.                  
                                                                               
  Number 268                                                                   
                                                                               
  KARL KIRCHER, KASILOF, VICE PRESIDENT, KENAI PENINSULA                       
  FISHERMEN ASSOCIATION (KPFA), testified via teleconference                   
  and expressed opposition to the confirmation of Dick Bower                   
  to the BOF.  He said Mr. Bower's appointment is a                            
  continuation of a promise Governor Hickel made when running                  
  for office to curtail the commercial fishery in Cook Inlet                   
  in favor of sport fishing.  He said Mr. Bower has shown no                   
  previous commitment to become involved in Alaska fisheries                   
  issues prior to this allocation issue.  Mr. Bower's                          
  appointment came from the short list supplied to the                         
  Governor by Bob Penney, who continues to call the Governor                   
  on his campaign promise.  The furor orchestrated by Mr.                      
  Penney with his Cook Inlet allocation bill, as well as                       
  continued requests for an agenda change to address Cook                      
  Inlet issues at the BOF, created an atmosphere in which Mr.                  
  Bower's appointment was made with one issue in mind.                         
                                                                               
  MR. KIRCHER stated although seemingly (indiscernible), Mr.                   
  Bower's appointment for the above reasons could have been                    
  mere speculation if it had not been for his testimony before                 
  the committee on Monday.  Mr. Bower stated in no uncertain                   
  terms that he does carry a preconceived agenda on allocation                 
  issues; that being the commercial allocation is always the                   
  lowest priority.  Mr. Bower had stated, "Based on that                       
  approach to it, I would say that commercial allocation then                  
  becomes, if you will, the lowest priority."                                  
                                                                               
  MR. KIRCHER thought in Mr. Bower's mind, the allocations                     
  criteria given to the BOF by the legislature should be                       
  forgotten and his own approach should be used, socking it to                 
  the commercial fisherman.  When asked by Representative                      
  Nicholia to speak on subsistence, commercial fishing, and                    
  sustained yield in regard to mixed stock fisheries, Mr.                      
  Bower turned his answer into a monologue on sport fishing                    
  priorities.  Mr. Kircher noted that Mr. Bower had stated,                    
  "In the underlying existing circumstances that the number                    
  one allocation after spawning and subsistence is                             
  noncommercial use."  For that reason, Mr. Kircher opposes                    
  Mr. Bower's confirmation.  If Mr. Bower is to serve on the                   
  BOF, these underlying circumstances along with his                           
  appointment and his agenda will affect all of his decisions.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  MR. KIRCHER felt the BOF has too great of (indiscernible)                    
  and too much important work to do to give up one of the                      
  seats to a person with such a narrow focus.  He said Mr.                     
  Bower failed to take (indiscernible) long enough to answer                   
  Representative Nicholia's question and instead used the                      
  opportunity to (indiscernible).  KPFA is not opposed to Mr.                  
  Bower's confirmation because he is a sport fishing                           
  representative, but because he approaches his task without                   
  being objective and does not bring expertise to the board,                   
  but instead advocacy to the BOF process.  He stressed there                  
  are many confident individuals who could bring the sport                     
  fish perspective to the BOF and participate objectively as                   
  the board addresses tough allocation questions.  KPFA does                   
  not believe Mr. Bower is one of them.                                        
                                                                               
  Number 320                                                                   
                                                                               
  HENRY MITCHELL, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, BERING SEA FISHERMEN'S                   
  ASSOCIATION (BSFA), testified via teleconference and                         
  expressed opposition to the confirmation of Kay Andrew for                   
  the BOF.  He stated Ms. Andrew's performance at the recent                   
  BOF meeting was one of the worst performances by a Chair he                  
  has ever witnessed.  He pointed out Ms. Andrew used her                      
  position to congratulate witnesses who were attacking the                    
  commissioner and his staff, and turned the meeting into a                    
  vehicle to denounce the commissioner.  He recalled someone                   
  earlier had mentioned ADF&G has the finest staff in the                      
  nation.  BSFA feels that is true.  BSFA also believes the                    
  ADF&G staff took the best available information and informed                 
  the BOF they had serious conservation concerns needing to be                 
  addressed.  Ms. Andrew, in her position as Chair,                            
  manipulated the BOF, confused the issues, and put the BOF in                 
  a position of not taking any action on one of the most                       
  serious conservation issues facing the state.                                
                                                                               
  MR. MITCHELL stated it is interesting that everyone is                       
  commenting on why they may or may not like the appointees                    
  and he observed that people like certain people because they                 
  represent an interest.  He asked who is there to represent                   
  the fish, which is the first mandate in the State's                          
  Constitution and also mandated in the mixed stock policy.                    
  He stressed the BOF is ignoring the mandates.  BSFA believes                 
  that Ms. Andrew knows what the law is but has decided to                     
  ignore it for fear that any precedence set in the Area M                     
  fishery, would ricochet and hit every commercial fishery in                  
  the state.  If there are conservation concerns in other                      
  areas of the state, the BOF has to be in a position of                       
  dealing with them.  He stressed the fish come first, not the                 
  petty allocation battles between commercial and sport                        
  fishing.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 372                                                                   
                                                                               
  HAROLD SPARCK, BETHEL, testified via teleconference and                      
  stated he and his family are subsistence fishermen dependent                 
  on the run of chum salmon into western Alaska.  He said he                   
  is also knowledgeable about the history of state allocation                  
  decisions and the federal fisheries in regard to how fish                    
  are managed to provide for sustained yield.  At the recent                   
  BOF meetings, Ms. Andrew was very hostile to ADF&G and                       
  people from western Alaska, who were concerned about fish                    
  being put back into spawning streams, having future runs,                    
  and trying to put food on their family's table for                           
  subsistence.                                                                 
                                                                               
  MR. SPARCK spoke with Ms. Andrew at the meeting and                          
  questioned her about her premises and Noyes Island came up.                  
  He noted that Noyes Island is a very controversial fishery                   
  in Southeast Alaska and is a source of irritation to                         
  Southeast Alaska people in regard to the Pacific Salmon                      
  Treaty.  He asked Ms. Andrew why Noyes Island was in her                     
  mind when she was looking at western Alaska and in response,                 
  she talked about a domino effect.  She said anything done in                 
  Area M was going to affect Noyes Island and would similarly                  
  affect Kodiak.  He stated these three areas are fisheries                    
  conducted on mixed stocks of fish.  He noted Ms. Andrew went                 
  into the meeting, which dealt specifically with the regional                 
  issue of the bycatch of chum salmon down from western                        
  Alaska's spawning streams, with the idea that she had to                     
  take actions to protect Noyes Island.                                        
                                                                               
  MR. SPARCK said based on the way that Ms. Andrew conducted                   
  herself at the meeting as Chair, the way she asked                           
  questions, and berated witnesses and the commissioner, it                    
  was clear she had other intentions.  Therefore, he does not                  
  support Kay Andrew's confirmation.                                           
                                                                               
  Number 431                                                                   
                                                                               
  PAGE HERRING, BOARD MEMBER, NORTHERN DISTRICT SETNETTERS                     
  ASSOCIATION (NDSA), testified via teleconference and                         
  expressed opposition to the confirmation of Kay Andrew and                   
  Dick Bower to the BOF.  NDSA believes both appointees have                   
  been easily swayed by the big intercept fisheries and have                   
  refused to look at terminal (indiscernible) interest.  She                   
  said Mr. Bower's focus apparently does not go beyond the                     
  (indiscernible) in Cook Inlet.  NDSA feels when it comes to                  
  decisions about Cook Inlet, Mr. Bower will probably look at                  
  the Kenai only and ignore not only the commercial setnetters                 
  in the northern district but also the Mat-Su Borough sport                   
  fishermen.  NDSA is also extremely upset over Ms. Andrew's                   
  and Mr. Bower's reluctance to apply the mixed stock policy                   
  to the Kodiak/Shelikof Straight issue.                                       
                                                                               
  MS. HERRING recalled in Monday's committee meeting, Ms.                      
  Andrew had said she kept hearing from the public that they                   
  wanted a task force.  She wondered which public Ms. Andrew                   
  had talked to because the Cook Inlet people clearly wanted a                 
  vote and an application of the mixed stock policy.  Ms.                      
  Andrew had indicated to several people that she was afraid                   
  to do that because of the implications in the AYK/Area M                     
  dispute.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 460                                                                   
                                                                               
  FRANK CHARLES, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, COASTAL AND IN-RIVER                      
  FISHERIES ALLIANCE (CIRFA), testified via teleconference and                 
  expressed opposition to the confirmation of Kay Andrew and                   
  Dick Bower to the Alaska BOF.  At the beginning, CIRFA's                     
  involvement and understanding of the appointees' views and                   
  philosophy on fisheries management in the state was a                        
  positive one.  He said unfortunately, by voting against a                    
  chum cap in Area M based on faulty and political reasoning                   
  clearly demonstrated Mr. Bower and Ms. Andrew are not                        
  capable of seeing through the background noise, which is                     
  always a problem at BOF meetings, nor willing to vote or                     
  deliberate for the protection of migrating western Alaska                    
  chum salmon.  He noted Mr. Bower and Ms. Andrew were also                    
  not supportive of any restrictive measures in the                            
  Kodiak/Shelikof Straight fishery to protect migrating Cook                   
  Inlet bound sockeye, placing those sockeye at the mercy of                   
  targeting by the Kodiak fleet.  By voting to establish a                     
  task force to address this continued intercept fishery only                  
  delays and compounds an ongoing problem.                                     
                                                                               
  MR. CHARLES stated it was evident that Ms. Andrew was                        
  willing to protect Southeast Alaska from the possibility of                  
  the same types of measures being adopted there some time in                  
  the future.  CIRFA believes that the AYK area and the                        
  (indiscernible) chum salmon in the north Shelikof                            
  (indiscernible) intercept of (indiscernible) sockeye are                     
  (indiscernible) problems which should be addressed                           
  separately from any other regions in the state.  He stressed                 
  the problem with depressed chum salmon stocks should be                      
  based on biological facts and solutions, not on an economic                  
  or political basis.  He pointed out that Ms. Andrew's                        
  comments on Monday were not reflective of the true                           
  situation.  CIRFA believes Ms. Andrew's and Mr. Bower's lack                 
  of experience and leadership will and can be a detriment to                  
  the public process established by previous Boards.                           
                                                                               
  MR. CHARLES commented that neither Ms. Andrew nor Mr. Bower                  
  have demonstrated they can work with (indiscernible) on the                  
  board.  He said the state should place people on the BOF who                 
  care for the state's most important renewable resource and                   
  look at every measure and action to keep the resources.                      
                                                                               
  Number 525                                                                   
                                                                               
  NEVIN MAY, KETCHIKAN, testified via teleconference and                       
  stated he is a 28 year commercial fisherman.  He expressed                   
  support for the confirmation of Kay Andrew to the BOF.  He                   
  has known Ms. Andrew for many years and knows her to be a                    
  person who will listen to all sides and make fair and                        
  equitable decisions for everyone involved.                                   
                                                                               
  HAROLD HELFRICH, KETCHIKAN, testified via teleconference and                 
  expressed support for the confirmation of Kay Andrew to the                  
  BOF.  He said Ms. Andrew has a wealth of knowledge and                       
  experience in all Alaska fishery issues.  He felt Ms. Andrew                 
  will be a valuable member of the BOF who will be able to                     
  make fair decisions and a person who will represent all of                   
  Alaska.                                                                      
                                                                               
  DEAN PADDOCK, REPRESENTATIVE, BRISTOL BAY DRIFTNETTERS                       
  ASSOCIATION, stated what is being discussed is the present                   
  BOF process, which is unique and has worked well since                       
  statehood.  He noted the most recent meetings of the BOF                     
  have been difficult and contentious.  He stressed he was not                 
  pleased with the action the BOF failed to take at the March                  
  meeting concerning Area M.  In his opinion, two of the three                 
  appointees voted wrong.  He believed there was a scientific                  
  link demonstrated and every intercept fishery should share                   
  in the pain when there is a stock faced with a crisis.                       
  However, he is not ready to oppose the confirmations of any                  
  of the appointees because of the difficulty and complexity                   
  of the issues involved.                                                      
                                                                               
  MR. PADDOCK stated the BOF process is unique and he is not                   
  ready to see it eliminated.  He felt urging the rejection of                 
  a new member because of a vote on one issue, even though it                  
  is the most important issue ever to come before the BOF,                     
  will mean coming back to the legislature and arguing about                   
  every appointment.  He predicted if that happens, the                        
  legislature will be considering a professional, full-time                    
  board.  He stressed Alaska fishery issues are the most                       
  extensive anywhere in the U.S.  If the BOF is going to be a                  
  lay board, there is a need to see a much higher level of                     
  professionalism on the part of the ADF&G staff.  While he                    
  agrees that the ADF&G staff is the finest in the U.S., they                  
  need to get their act together even more because as                          
  indicated at the last BOF meeting, board members do not                      
  always accept the information given by ADF&G.  He noted each                 
  BOF member is being hammered on by competing fisheries                       
  interests, and their vote is a demonstration of which                        
  contending interest they give the most credence to.                          
                                                                               
  Number 648                                                                   
                                                                               
  JERRY MCCUNE, PRESIDENT, UNITED FISHERMEN OF ALASKA (UFA)                    
  expressed support for the confirmation of Kay Andrew and                     
  opposed the confirmations of Larry Engel and Dick Bower.  He                 
  acknowledged being a member of the BOF is not an easy job                    
  and expressed appreciation to the appointees for addressing                  
  one of the most controversial issues in the state.  He felt                  
  there must be some commercial fishing expertise on the BOF                   
  and it has been frustrating to see every appointee, who has                  
  any commercial fishing background, eliminated.                               
                                                                               
  MR. MCCUNE stated on Monday, Mr. Bower put the Alaska                        
  commercial fishermen below the nonresident fishermen.  He                    
  felt Mr. Bower does not understand the State's Constitution                  
  and the policies of the BOF.  According to Mr. Bower, he                     
  (Mr. McCune), as an Alaska commercial fisherman, is below                    
  anyone who comes to the state to fish, including sport                       
  fishermen, commercial fishermen, etc.  He said most of the                   
  writings by Mr. Engel pertain to the Cook Inlet fishery.                     
  Mr. McCune questions whether or not Mr. Engel can change his                 
  philosophy indicated in his writings--doing away with                        
  commercial fishing in Cook Inlet.  He thought many of Mr.                    
  Engel's writings are damaging to commercial fishing.  He                     
  also wondered if Mr. Engel can be open minded.                               
                                                                               
  MARY HELFRICH, KETCHIKAN, testified via teleconference and                   
  expressed support for the confirmation of Kay Andrew.  She                   
  felt Ms. Andrew is needed on the BOF.  Ms. Andrew has a                      
  wealth of knowledge of the history of Alaska's fisheries and                 
  is fair and openly listens to all testimony.  She said Ms.                   
  Andrew is quite capable of weighing testimony and making a                   
  decision.  She reminded committee members that the BOF                       
  represents all of Alaska and she feels Ms. Andrew balances                   
  the board.                                                                   
                                                                               
  DAVID BRAY, SECRETARY/TREASURER, UNITED SOUTHEAST ALASKA                     
  GILLNETTERS, testified via teleconference and expressed                      
  support for the confirmation of Kay Andrew.  He felt Ms.                     
  Andrew is fair and will not bow to any pressure from various                 
  fishing groups.                                                              
                                                                               
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  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  ROLLO BRAY, KETCHIKAN, testified via teleconference and                      
  expressed support for the confirmation of Kay Andrew.  He                    
  stated he has lived in Ketchikan for 55 years and he does                    
  not know of anyone there who is against Ms. Andrew.                          
                                                                               
  AL WICKENS, KETCHIKAN, testified via teleconference and                      
  expressed support for the confirmation of Kay Andrew.  He                    
  felt Ms. Andrew is a competent and knowledgeable person,                     
  able to make a tough decision.  He said not everyone is                      
  going to receive a favorable vote and if they did, the BOF                   
  would be ineffective and not have the ability to manage.                     
                                                                               
  GREG RICE, KETCHIKAN, testified via teleconference and                       
  expressed support for the confirmation of Kay Andrew.  He                    
  stated in watching Ms. Andrew work at the BOF meeting in                     
  Ketchikan, he could see that she is clear thinking,                          
  articulate, and acts conscientiously in making decisions                     
  affecting subsistence, sport, and commercial fishing issues.                 
                                                                               
  Number 023                                                                   
                                                                               
  KEN DUCKETT, KETCHIKAN, testified via teleconference and                     
  expressed support for the confirmation of Kay Andrew.  He                    
  recalled that it was stated earlier that somehow district                    
  4/Noyes Island seine fishery and the general Southeast                       
  Alaska fisheries influenced the decision Ms. Andrew made on                  
  Area M.  He stressed that is not possible.  He said the                      
  gillnetters fish behind the seiners.  If Ms. Andrew was                      
  going to make any decision which would somehow be influenced                 
  by the fishery she is in, she would not be supporting a                      
  mixed stock fisheries or the intercept fisheries.  Rather,                   
  she would be voting the other way.  He felt that Ms. Andrew                  
  reviewed the facts, weighed the evidence and made a decision                 
  she felt was right.                                                          
                                                                               
  LARRY ENGEL, APPOINTEE, BOARD OF FISHERIES, testified via                    
  teleconference and stated there has been criticism of Kay                    
  Andrew.  He felt Ms. Andrew runs a good meeting and has done                 
  a good job.  He did not feel she has been hostile to any                     
  individual.                                                                  
                                                                               
  DICK BOWER, APPOINTEE, BOARD OF FISHERIES, testified via                     
  teleconference and agreed with Mr. Engel's comments.  He                     
  felt Ms. Andrew did an excellent job presiding over a very                   
  difficult BOF meeting.  He stressed he is not seeking a                      
  position on the BOF to represent any special interest and if                 
  confirmed, he will do what he can to do what is in the best                  
  interest of the resource and of the people of the state.                     
                                                                               
  KAY ANDREW, KETCHIKAN, testified via teleconference and                      
  stated she went into the chairmanship of the BOF quite                       
  surprised that she was even considered by her fellow board                   
  members.  She has tried to learn very rapidly how to conduct                 
  a meeting.  One of things she was told was that she was not                  
  exerting her power as chairman.  She did not think being                     
  chairman of the BOF meant having any special privileges,                     
  other than trying to keep the meeting going in an easy                       
  manner.  She said if she did direct the BOF in the manner                    
  which Mr. Mitchell testified, then she must be better at it                  
  than what she realized.  She stated she polled the BOF                       
  several times trying to get their feelings and never made                    
  any decisions by herself.                                                    
                                                                               
  MS. ANDREW felt she is being opposed because of her vote on                  
  the chum salmon cap.  In all the testimony heard, no one has                 
  mentioned all of the measures the BOF took and on which she                  
  voted for to save chum salmon.  She noted it has been stated                 
  that Area M has not shared in the burden, which is not true.                 
  One of the tools given to ADF&G was the authority to                         
  regulate the fishery in Area M and lessen the chum cap.                      
                                                                               
  MS. ANDREW stressed she has always placed her personality                    
  and her life, and raised her children on her integrity and                   
  honesty.  She said the easy way out would have been to vote                  
  for the 300,000 chum salmon cap, which would have assured                    
  her of sitting in the BOF chairmanship position.  She chose                  
  not to do that because she felt with all of the information                  
  received, all the testimony heard, and the other things                      
  which were done gave the department the authority to                         
  regulate that fishery along with the others intercepting.                    
                                                                               
  Number 140                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON made a MOTION to MOVE the appointees                   
  of the Board of Fisheries, Board of Game, Big Game                           
  Commercial Services Board, Commercial Fisheries Entry                        
  Commission, and Oil and Gas Conservation Commission out of                   
  committee with INDIVIDUAL RECOMMENDATIONS.                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS asked if there were any objections.                        
  Hearing none, the MOTION PASSED.                                             
                                                                               
  ANNOUNCEMENTS                                                                
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS announced the committee will meet on                       
  Friday, April 15 at 8;15 a.m. to hear SB 310.                                
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  There being no further business to come before the House                     
  Resources Committee, Chairman Williams adjourned the meeting                 
  at 10:11 a.m.                                                                

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