Legislature(2021 - 2022)DAVIS 106

04/10/2021 01:00 PM RESOURCES

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01:07:06 PM Start
01:08:06 PM Board of Fisheries
06:19:21 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
-- Please Note Location Change --
Joint with House FSH
+ Consideration of Governor's Appointees: TELECONFERENCED
- Fisherman's Fund Advisory Board & Appeals
Council: Marilyn Charles & Renee Weddle Alward
- Commercial Fisheries Entry Commission:
Melvin Smith
- Board of Fisheries: John Jensen, Mackenzie
Mitchell, Marit Carlson-Van Dort, Abe Williams,
& John Wood
-- Public Testimony <Time Limit May Be Set> --
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                         JOINT MEETING                                                                                        
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
              HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON FISHERIES                                                                            
                         April 10, 2021                                                                                         
                           1:07 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Josiah Patkotak, Chair                                                                                          
 Representative Calvin Schrage                                                                                                  
 Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                     
 Representative George Rauscher                                                                                                 
 Representative Mike Cronk                                                                                                      
 Representative Ronald Gillham                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON FISHERIES                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Geran Tarr, Chair                                                                                               
 Representative Louise Stutes, Vice Chair                                                                                       
 Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins                                                                                         
 Representative Andi Story                                                                                                      
 Representative Dan Ortiz                                                                                                       
 Representative Sarah Vance                                                                                                     
 Representative Kevin McCabe                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Grier Hopkins, Vice Chair                                                                                       
 Representative Zack Fields                                                                                                     
 Representative Tom McKay                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Fisherman's Fund Advisory Board & Appeals Council                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Marilyn Charles  Emmonak                                                                                                   
     Renee Alward  Homer                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commercial Fisheries Entry Commission                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Melvin Smith  Juneau                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Board Of Fisheries                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     John Jensen  Petersburg                                                                                                    
     McKenzie Mitchell  Fairbanks                                                                                               
     Marit Carlson-Van Dort  Anchorage                                                                                          
     Abe Williams  Anchorage                                                                                                    
     John Wood  Willow                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MARILYN CHARLES, Appointee                                                                                                      
Fishermen's Fund Advisory Board & Appeals Council                                                                               
Department of Labor and Workforce Development (DLWD)                                                                            
Emmonak, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as appointee to the Fisherman's                                                                
Fund Advisory Board & Appeals Council.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
RENEE ALWARD, Appointee                                                                                                         
Fishermen's Fund Advisory Board & Appeals Council                                                                               
Department of Labor and Workforce Development (DLWD)                                                                            
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as appointee to the Fisherman's                                                                
Fund Advisory Board & Appeals Council.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
VELMA THOMAS                                                                                                                    
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of the confirmation of                                                              
Marilyn Charles and Renee Alward, appointees to the Fishermen's                                                                 
Fund Advisory Board & Appeals Council.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MELVIN SMITH, Appointee                                                                                                         
Commercial Fisheries Entry Commission (CFEC)                                                                                    
Alaska Department of Fish & Game (ADF&G)                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified as  appointee to  the Commercial                                                             
Fisheries Entry Commission.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JOHN JENSEN, Appointee                                                                                                          
Board of Fisheries                                                                                                              
Alaska Department of Fish & Game (ADF&G)                                                                                        
Petersburg, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  as appointee  to  the Board  of                                                             
Fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MCKENZIE MITCHELL, Appointee                                                                                                    
Board of Fisheries                                                                                                              
Alaska Department of Fish & Game (ADF&G)                                                                                        
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  as appointee  to  the Board  of                                                             
Fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MARIT CARLSON-VAN DORT, Appointee                                                                                               
Board of Fisheries                                                                                                              
Alaska Department of Fish & Game (ADF&G)                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  as appointee  to  the Board  of                                                             
Fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ABE WILLIAMS, Appointee                                                                                                         
Board of Fisheries                                                                                                              
Alaska Department of Fish & Game (ADF&G)                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  as appointee  to  the Board  of                                                             
Fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JOHN WOOD, Appointee                                                                                                            
Board of Fisheries                                                                                                              
Alaska Department of Fish & Game (ADF&G)                                                                                        
Willow, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  as appointee  to  the Board  of                                                             
Fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HOWARD DELO                                                                                                                     
Big Lake, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of John  Jensen, McKenzie Mitchell,  Marit Carlson-Van  Dort, Abe                                                               
Williams, and John Wood, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CLIFTON IVANOFF                                                                                                                 
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Marit Carlson-Van Dort, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MARCI NELSON ORTH                                                                                                               
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Marit Carlson-Van Dort, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
GREG JOHNSON                                                                                                                    
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Marit Carlson-Van Dort, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHUCK MCCALLUM                                                                                                                  
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  McKenzie Mitchell,  Marit Carlson-Van  Dort,  and John  Wood,                                                               
appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
TIMOTHY GERVAIS                                                                                                                 
Ruby, Alaska                                                                                                                    
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Commented  in  regard  to  the  Board  of                                                             
Fisheries' decision  regarding the  2020 Cape Igvak  fishery, and                                                               
testified  in opposition  to the  confirmation  of Abe  Williams,                                                               
appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
NORRIS JOHNSON                                                                                                                  
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Marit Carlson-Van Dort, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
FRANCES LEACH, Executive Director                                                                                               
United Fishermen of Alaska (UFA)                                                                                                
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Marit Carlson-Van Dort, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SUSAN DOHERTY, Executive Director                                                                                               
Southeast Alaska Seiners Association (SEAS)                                                                                     
Ketchikan, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  In regard  to the Commercial Fisheries Entry                                                             
Commission  confirmation  hearing,   urged  that  the  committees                                                               
demand  the appointment  of  a highly  qualified  candidate.   In                                                               
regard to the  Board of Fisheries confirmation  hearing, spoke in                                                               
support of the confirmation of  John Jensen and spoke in relation                                                               
to Marit Carlson-Van Dort, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
BEN MOHR, Executive Director                                                                                                    
Kenai River Sportfishing Association (KRSA)                                                                                     
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of John  Jensen, McKenzie Mitchell,  Marit Carlson-Van  Dort, Abe                                                               
Williams, and John Wood, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
LORENA SKONBERG, Acting Chair                                                                                                   
Ouzinkie Native Corporation (ONC)                                                                                               
Ouzinkie, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Marit Carlson-Van Dort, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ERNIE WEISS                                                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                             
John Jensen, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MOLLY MILLER                                                                                                                    
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Abe Williams, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
NATE ROSE, President                                                                                                            
Kodiak Seiners Association (KSA)                                                                                                
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Marit Carlson-Van Dort, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ALEXUS KWACHKA                                                                                                                  
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION   STATEMENT:      Testified   in   opposition   to   the                                                             
confirmations  of  Marit  Carlson-Van   Dort  and  Abe  Williams,                                                               
appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
GEORGE PIERCE                                                                                                                   
Kasilof, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION   STATEMENT:      Testified   in   opposition   to   the                                                             
confirmations of  McKenzie Mitchell, Marit Carlson-Van  Dort, and                                                               
Abe Williams, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL UMPHENOUR                                                                                                                
North Pole, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of John  Jensen, McKenzie Mitchell,  Marit Carlson-Van  Dort, Abe                                                               
Williams, and John Wood, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
GARY HOLLIER                                                                                                                    
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Commented in  regard to  McKenzie Mitchell                                                             
and  Marit  Carlson-Van Dort  and  testified  in support  of  the                                                               
confirmations  of  John  Jensen,  Abe Williams,  and  John  Wood,                                                               
appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DENISE MAY                                                                                                                      
Port Lions, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Marit Carlson-Van Dort.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHELSEA HAISMAN, Executive Director                                                                                             
Cordova District Fishermen United (CDFU)                                                                                        
Cordova, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Marit Carlson-Van  Dort and in support of  the confirmation of                                                               
John Jensen, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JULIE KAVANAUGH                                                                                                                 
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                             
John Jensen, in  opposition to the confirmation  of Abe Williams,                                                               
and expressed concern about  McKenzie Mitchell, Marit Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort, and John Wood, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
RAYMOND MAY                                                                                                                     
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Marit Carlson-Van Dort, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
BONNIE LILLEY                                                                                                                   
Houston, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Abe Williams, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DYLAN BEAN                                                                                                                      
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Marit Carlson-Van Dort, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SPENCER ROBINSON                                                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Abe Williams, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DUNCAN FIELDS, Chairman                                                                                                         
Kodiak Salmon Work Group                                                                                                        
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Marit Carlson-Van Dort, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
GARY CLINE, Regional Fisheries Director                                                                                         
Bristol Bay Economic Development Corporation (BBEDC)                                                                            
Dillingham, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Abe Williams, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SYLVIA KAVANAUGH                                                                                                                
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the confirmation of                                                             
John Jensen and  expressed concern about the  confirmation of Abe                                                               
Williams, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
BRENT BORCHERD                                                                                                                  
(No city provided), Michigan                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in opposition to  any employee of                                                             
Pebble Mine being on the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DANIEL MILLER                                                                                                                   
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Abe Williams, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ERIN WILLAHAN                                                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Abe Williams, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
KIRIL BASARIGIM                                                                                                                 
K-Bay Fisheries Association                                                                                                     
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION   STATEMENT:      Testified   in   opposition   to   the                                                             
confirmations  of  Marit  Carlson-Van   Dort  and  Abe  Williams,                                                               
appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
RICK DELKITTIE                                                                                                                  
Nondalton, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Abe Williams, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JEFFREY MOORE                                                                                                                   
Chignik Lagoon, Alaska                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of John  Jensen, McKenzie Mitchell,  Marit Carlson-Van  Dort, Abe                                                               
Williams, and John Wood, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SUE MAUGER                                                                                                                      
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Abe Williams, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BENJAMIN ALLEN                                                                                                                  
Chignik, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  McKenzie Mitchell,  Marit Carlson-Van  Dort,  and John  Wood,                                                               
appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN MCWETHY                                                                                                                   
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Marit Carlson-Van Dort, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
TOM MANOS                                                                                                                       
Girdwood, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Marit Carlson-Van Dort and  in support of the confirmations of                                                               
John  Jensen, McKenzie  Mitchell,  Abe Williams,  and John  Wood,                                                               
appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ED MARTIN                                                                                                                       
Cooper Landing, Alaska                                                                                                          
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified in  opposition to  the State  of                                                             
Alaska having boards and commissions.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
RAECHEL ALLEN                                                                                                                   
Chignik, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of  McKenzie Mitchell,  Marit Carlson-Van  Dort,  and John  Wood,                                                               
appointees to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PAUL A. SHADURA II                                                                                                              
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION   STATEMENT:      Testified   in   opposition   to   the                                                             
confirmations of  McKenzie Mitchell, Marit Carlson-Van  Dort, and                                                               
John Wood,  appointees to the  Board of Fisheries.   Testified in                                                               
opposition to the confirmation of  Melvin Smith, appointee to the                                                               
Commercial Fisheries Entry Commission.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DANIELLE RINGER                                                                                                                 
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the confirmation                                                             
of Marit Carlson-Van Dort, appointee to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
AXEL KOPUN                                                                                                                      
Eagle River, Alaska                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                             
of Marit Carlson-Van Dort and  John Wood, appointees to the Board                                                               
of Fisheries.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:07:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GERAN TARR called the  joint meeting of the House Resources                                                             
Standing Committee  and the House Special  Committee on Fisheries                                                               
to order  at 1:07  p.m.  Present  at the call  to order  from the                                                               
House Resources Standing  Committee were Representatives Schrage,                                                               
Gillham,  Hannan, Rauscher,  Cronk, and  Patkotak.   Present from                                                               
the  House Special  Committee on  Fisheries were  Representatives                                                               
McCabe, Vance, Story, Stutes, and Tarr.  Representatives Kreiss-                                                                
Tomkins  and Ortiz,  both  from the  House  Special Committee  on                                                               
Fisheries, arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
^CONFIRMATION HEARINGS(S):                                                                                                      
                   CONFIRMATION HEARINGS(S):                                                                                
^Fisherman's Fund Advisory Board & Appeals Council                                                                              
       Fisherman's Fund Advisory Board & Appeals Council                                                                    
^Commercial Fisheries Entry Commission                                                                                          
             Commercial Fisheries Entry Commission                                                                          
^Board of Fisheries                                                                                                             
                       Board of Fisheries                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:08:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TARR  announced that  the only order  of business  would be                                                               
confirmation   hearings   for   governor's  appointees   to   the                                                               
Fishermen's  Fund Advisory  Board &  Appeals Council,  Commercial                                                               
Fisheries Entry Commission, and Board of Fisheries.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:09:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARILYN  CHARLES, Appointee,  Fishermen's Fund  Advisory Board  &                                                               
Appeals Council,  Department of  Labor and  Workforce Development                                                               
(DLWD), testified  as appointee to the  Fisherman's Fund Advisory                                                               
Board & Appeals Council.  She  stated that this is her third year                                                               
on the council,  and she enjoys serving because she  gets to help                                                               
local  fishermen on  the Yukon  River.   She said  she represents                                                               
about 500  fishermen in this  area, and  she would like  to share                                                               
with them that  they have another resource to go  to.  Before she                                                               
was appointed,  she'd never heard  of this program, so  she wants                                                               
her people  to know that they  have this available to  them.  Not                                                               
only is she  part of the community, but  that community comprises                                                               
her  family members  and relatives.   The  people in  these small                                                               
communities don't have much information  given to them due to the                                                               
lack of  information for resources.   The fishermen fish  for the                                                               
local fish  processing company, Kwik'Pak Fisheries  LLC, which is                                                               
98 percent  local.  She  added that  she enjoys working  with the                                                               
people on  the board  and thinking of  ideas for  further helping                                                               
the fishermen fishing in Alaska's waters.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:12:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES asked how many members are on the board.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHARLES replied six.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES asked  whether there  are other  people on                                                               
this council from Ms. Charles's community.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. CHARLES responded  no, but [representing] the  region next to                                                               
her  is Moses  Toyukuk who  is Yup'ik  also, and  then there  are                                                               
other people from the different regions.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:13:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RENEE  ALWARD,  Appointee,  Fishermen's  Fund  Advisory  Board  &                                                               
Appeals Council,  Department of  Labor and  Workforce Development                                                               
(DLWD), testified  as appointee to the  Fisherman's Fund Advisory                                                               
Board & Appeals  Council.  She stated she has  finished her fifth                                                               
year with the  council.  She related that her  impetus for taking                                                               
a  position  on  the  board  was being  a  part  of  the  fishing                                                               
community  and  also having  a  history  working in  the  medical                                                               
field,  so  it  was  a  natural to  advocate  for  fishermen  and                                                               
something  she was  comfortable with.   She  and her  husband are                                                               
still in commercial  fisheries and have raised three  kids in the                                                               
commercial fisheries,  two of whom  still participate.   She does                                                               
the books and the fleet mothering  for seven tender vessels.  The                                                               
Fishermen's Fund is  an amazing program.  It is  solely funded by                                                               
proceeds from commercial  fishing licenses and permits,  so it is                                                               
self-funded and  dedicated to providing  last resort  payment for                                                               
injured fisher  people who  might not otherwise  be able  to have                                                               
the resources  to heal.  She  is excited by what  the council has                                                               
done and what it will do in  the future for an important plan for                                                               
a huge part of the state.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:15:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TARR explained  that the Fishermen's Fund  Advisory Board &                                                               
Appeals  Council  consists of  six  members,  five of  which  are                                                               
appointed by the governor from  five specific districts listed in                                                               
statute.  [Ms. Alward] is the  District 3 nominee and Ms. Charles                                                               
is the District 5 nominee.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN asked what the districts relate to.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  TARR answered  that each  district  is set  out in  Alaska                                                               
statute:  District  1 is Wrangell and areas south;  District 2 is                                                               
north  of Wrangell  to include  Yakutat;  District 3  is west  of                                                               
Yakutat  to  east coast  of  Alaska  Peninsula, including  Prince                                                               
William  Sound, Cook  Inlet, and  Kodiak; District  4 is  west of                                                               
Alaska Peninsula  to Cape Newenham,  including Bristol  Bay area;                                                               
and District  5 is north  of Cape Newenham,  including Kuskokwim,                                                               
Yukon, Kotzebue, and the Arctic.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:16:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  TARR  opened  public  testimony  on  the  appointments  of                                                               
Marilyn  Charles  and  Renee  Alward   to  the  Fishermen's  Fund                                                               
Advisory Board & Appeals Council.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:17:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VELMA THOMAS testified in support  of the confirmation of Marilyn                                                               
Charles  and Renee  Alward, appointees  to  the Fishermen's  Fund                                                               
Advisory Board &  Appeals Council.  She noted she  is the program                                                               
coordinator with  the Division of Workers'  Compensation and also                                                               
the Fishermen's  Fund administrator.   She said she  is available                                                               
for questions  and to give  public testimony for Ms.  Charles and                                                               
Ms. Alward.  She stated that  they are great assets and resources                                                               
on the council and bring  special knowledge so when reviewing the                                                               
claims they know  exactly what is happening in  the community and                                                               
how that affects the injured fisherman.   She added that it is an                                                               
honor to work with them.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  THOMAS,  responding  to  Chair   Tarr,  explained  that  the                                                               
division has two technicians who  handle all the claims that come                                                               
in  from  injured  workers  in  Alaska.   The  number  of  claims                                                               
averages about  300 a year.   The  claims are cyclical,  with the                                                               
most claims  coming in between May  and the end of  September.  A                                                               
percentage  of  the license  fees  and  permit fees  provide  the                                                               
funding  for the  Fishermen's Fund  and the  administrative staff                                                               
can pay benefits  of up to $10,000.  For  claims over $10,000 the                                                               
fisherman must file  an appeal and the  Fishermen's Fund Advisory                                                               
Board & Appeals Council, which  has the sole authority to approve                                                               
anything above $10,000, looks at  those claims.  The council also                                                               
reviews all of the claims  that the administrative team could not                                                               
approve.   It's a really good  process, she stated, and  the team                                                               
reaches out  to fishermen to  help them get through  the process,                                                               
which can  be tedious because  of the various documents  that are                                                               
needed to  help them meet the  requirements.  But once  they meet                                                               
the requirements they are entitled  to benefits.  She's been with                                                               
the  fund for  about 10  years,  and it  has been  a pleasure  to                                                               
serve.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:20:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN asked whether the  council meets on a case-                                                               
by-case basis, or  quarterly or biannually on a  set schedule and                                                               
addresses a lump of appeals at a time.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  THOMAS replied  that  the council  typically  meets twice  a                                                               
year.   The council then reviews  all the claims that  need to be                                                               
reviewed within  that time period.   But, she noted,  the council                                                               
can meet if there  is a need for an emergency  meeting as long as                                                               
the council provides sufficient notice.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:20:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  TARR  closed public  testimony  for  the Fishermen's  Fund                                                               
Advisory  Board and  Appeals Council  after  ascertaining no  one                                                               
else wished to testify.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:21:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ALWARD thanked  Ms.  Thomas for  being at  the  helm of  the                                                               
council.   She said  Ms. Thomas  keeps the  meetings tight,  is a                                                               
great  advocate, and  always has  the answers  that members  seek                                                               
from her to perform their duties.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:22:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TARR passed the gavel to Chair Patkotak.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:22:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MELVIN  SMITH, Appointee,  Commercial Fisheries  Entry Commission                                                               
(CFEC), Alaska  Department of Fish  & Game (ADF&G),  testified as                                                               
appointee to  the Commercial  Fisheries Entry  Commission (CFEC).                                                               
He related  that he was born  and raised in the  Aleutian village                                                               
of False  Pass and has  been fishing since age  six.  At  a young                                                               
age he was taught by his  father to operate the vessel, set gear,                                                               
navigate Alaska waters, and be  a commercial fisherman.  For more                                                               
than 26 years he has  owned several limited entry fishing permits                                                               
and fishing vessels.  As is  customary in this industry, and like                                                               
his  father before  him, he  passed  on his  permits and  fishing                                                               
operations to his  son.  The passing of the  torch is critical to                                                               
address  the greying  of the  fleet and  to provide  training and                                                               
economic  stability  to  the next  generation  of  fishermen  and                                                               
fisherwomen.  Once  a fisherman, always a fisherman,  and to this                                                               
day he  still has a  thorough knowledge  of the areas  he fished.                                                               
He operated his  permits and gear along the  Alaska Peninsula, in                                                               
the Bering Sea, and in the Gulf of Alaska.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH  stated that more  recently he  has been at  his latest                                                               
job with the  Aleut Corporation for more than 23  years, where he                                                               
has  been  a  manager  in the  natural  resource  department  and                                                               
responsible   for  the   corporation's  land   holdings,  natural                                                               
resources,  and  commercial  real  estate.   He  has  many  years                                                               
working with  various boards, committees, and  their employees in                                                               
his past  positions as a  corporate manager.   The skills  he has                                                               
acquired working in  a corporate environment will  serve him well                                                               
in his capacity  as a commissioner of  the CFEC.  His  goal is to                                                               
use his  many years  of management and  knowledge of  the fishing                                                               
industry  to keep  the CFEC  running smoothly  and continuing  to                                                               
ensure that commercial fishing remains  a viable industry for all                                                               
of Alaska.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SMITH said  he has  been in  contact with  CFEC Commissioner                                                               
Dale Kelley and staff to be  briefed on current CFEC matters.  He                                                               
understands his  duties but fully  admits there is much  to learn                                                               
regarding the policy and procedures  of the CFEC.  His experience                                                               
and team player skills will  keep important matters from slipping                                                               
through the cracks.  He is ready  to hit the deck running, and he                                                               
will  utilize his  years of  fishing, management  experience, and                                                               
knowledge of the fishing industry  to keep CFEC running smoothly.                                                               
He looks forward  to giving back to an industry  that helped form                                                               
who he is and helped feed his family.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:26:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN noted  that this is a  paid, full-time job,                                                               
and  asked whether  Mr. Smith  is  prepared to  exit his  current                                                               
employment to assume  this position.  She further  asked when Mr.                                                               
Smith's start date would be.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH replied that he  has already resigned from his position                                                               
at the Aleut Corporation and his  start date as a commissioner at                                                               
CFEC was 3/1/21.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN  inquired  whether   Mr.  Smith  would  be                                                               
relocating from Anchorage to Juneau where CFEC is headquartered.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SMITH responded  that he  understands the  job is  to be  in                                                               
Juneau and he is currently in Juneau.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  observed that  Mr. Smith  has a  number of                                                               
letters of  support, mostly from  the westward region  of Alaskan                                                               
fisheries.  She asked where Mr.  Smith, after five weeks of being                                                               
on  the job,  sees  the bulk  of  the issues  that  CFEC will  be                                                               
addressing statewide  over the  next year or  two, such  as fleet                                                               
consolidation and permit buyback.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH  answered that right  now the  Cook Inlet is  a hotspot                                                               
for setnet with optimum numbers  and the buyback, and there might                                                               
be issues in Kodiak.   He stated he has been on  the job for five                                                               
weeks and is still learning the policies and procedures of CFEC.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:29:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ORTIZ noted  Mr.  Smith's position  at the  Aleut                                                               
Corporation wasn't  related to  the fishing  industry.   He asked                                                               
what skills  Mr. Smith would bring  specific to this job  of CFEC                                                               
commissioner other than previously being a commercial fisherman.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH replied that he was  a manager at the Aleut Corporation                                                               
for many  years, so  his managerial skills  will help  along with                                                               
his knowledge and skills from previously being a fisherman.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ORTIZ requested  Mr.  Smith to  elaborate on  his                                                               
duties  while  with the  Aleut  Corporation  and how  they  would                                                               
connect directly to his duties as CFEC commissioner.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH responded  that he began at the Aleut  Corporation as a                                                               
resource  and fisheries  specialist and  then he  switched up  to                                                               
manager.   When  the Aleut  Corporation developed  a real  estate                                                               
organization,  he  was basically  the  land  manager and  natural                                                               
resource  manager, and  then  he took  over  the commercial  real                                                               
estate along with those other duties.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ORTIZ  asked what  other jobs  Mr. Smith  has had,                                                               
besides  his  work  [with  the Aleut  Corporation]  and  being  a                                                               
commercial fisherman,  that would provide him  the experience for                                                               
doing the job of CFEC commissioner.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH answered  that he went right from fishing  to the Aleut                                                               
Corporation, and given  that once a fisherman  always a fisherman                                                               
he feels he can help all the fishermen throughout the state.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:33:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS stated  it  is normally  customary                                                               
that nominees  deliver autonomous and independent  testimony, and                                                               
he heard some  whispering on the line during  Mr. Smith's answers                                                               
to previous questions.  He  asked whether Mr. Smith is delivering                                                               
testimony by himself to the questions being presented today.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH replied yes, he is giving his own answers.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS  asked whether there  are currently                                                               
any fisheries in  Alaska for which Mr. Smith  believes an optimum                                                               
number study needs to be conducted.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SMITH responded  that right  now  CFEC is  dealing with  the                                                               
setnet in  Cook Inlet and a  possible buyback, and it  depends on                                                               
where that goes.   He stated his understanding that  there are 66                                                               
limited entry fisheries  in Alaska and only  three optimum number                                                               
studies have  been done.   So, he said, at  some point it  may be                                                               
necessary to do an optimum number study for the other fisheries.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS  inquired whether he is  correct in                                                               
understanding that  Mr. Smith is  saying he  is not aware  of any                                                               
other fisheries  in Alaska outside  of fisheries within  the Cook                                                               
Inlet  region that  Mr.  Smith believes  might  merit an  optimum                                                               
number study given his present knowledge.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH  answered that that  will come  with time as  he learns                                                               
more of  the CFEC.   The  economics of each  fishery needs  to be                                                               
looked at.  If he is confirmed,  and as he gets more involved, he                                                               
and the CFEC will look at those things in the future.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:36:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TARR  related that  in the past  some of  the commissioners                                                               
with CFEC  have been  attorneys.   Given the  decision-making and                                                               
adjudicatory role  that Mr. Smith  will have, she  inquired about                                                               
his preparation in that regard and  whether he has worked on that                                                               
with his CFEC counterpart, Ms. Kelley.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SMITH replied  that the  CFEC  has attorneys  in-house.   He                                                               
reiterated that he  is still getting to  know his co-commissioner                                                               
and the rest of the CFEC staff.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:37:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  PATKOTAK opened  public testimony  on  the appointment  of                                                               
Melvin Smith  to the Commercial  Fisheries Entry Commission.   He                                                               
closed  public  testimony after  ascertaining  no  one wished  to                                                               
testify.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:38:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PATKOTAK returned the gavel to Chair Tarr.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  TARR  opened the  confirmation  hearing  for John  Jensen,                                                               
McKenzie  Mitchell, Marit  Carlson-Van  Dort,  Abe Williams,  and                                                               
John Wood, appointees to the Board of Fisheries (BOF).                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:39:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES,  at the  invitation of  Chair Tarr  and in                                                               
light of  the upcoming Board of  Fisheries appointees testifying,                                                               
spoke to the balance of the  Board of Fisheries.  She stated that                                                               
while it's true there are no  designated seats in statute for the                                                               
Board  of   Fisheries,  the  history   of  appointment   and  the                                                               
confirmation  process  is one  of  achieving  a delicate  balance                                                               
between  the commercial,  sport,  personal  use, and  subsistence                                                               
interests.  Regional balance has  long been established precedent                                                               
as well,  she continued, and  that process and that  balance have                                                               
been lost,  depriving coastal communities everywhere  of a voice.                                                               
Currently  the board  has only  one coastal  member, John  Jensen                                                               
from  Petersburg.   The  other six  members  are from  Anchorage,                                                               
Willow, Eagle, and  Fairbanks.  The balance is  not acceptable to                                                               
any community that relies on  commercial fishing, one of Alaska's                                                               
greatest industries.  Operating with  four of seven board members                                                               
unconfirmed by  the legislature, the  board has had its  share of                                                               
controversy too.   She  can personally attest  to that  this last                                                               
year when they  arrived in Kodiak with a  predetermined course of                                                               
action and a disregard clearly  for local input on some extremely                                                               
impactful proposals.   Further,  current chair  Marit Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort  had  a  very  questionable conflict  of  interest  at  that                                                               
meeting.  Another board member John  Wood was on a state contract                                                               
reporting directly to the governor at that time.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:40:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 1:40 p.m. to 1:42 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:42:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES  continued speaking  to the balance  of the                                                               
Board  of Fisheries.   She  stated she  is trying  to bring  into                                                               
light that it's important that  all of Alaska, whether coastal or                                                               
any waterway, have appropriate representation on the board.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:43:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  thanked the  appointees for  coming forward                                                               
in this  process again.  She  stated that it's one  of the highly                                                               
contentious  appointments and  boards.   She further  thanked the                                                               
appointees for  their participation  in a  Zoom meeting  with her                                                               
district  so she  could  have a  more  hands-on approach  because                                                               
there's so  much involved  with this with  the allocations.   The                                                               
appointees  have  already  been   through  this  and  didn't  get                                                               
confirmed  and  they're going  through  it  again.   All  of  the                                                               
governor's  appointees  have  been   asked  to  go  through  this                                                               
difficult process twice.  She said  she wants to thank them ahead                                                               
of  the  public  testimony  for  doing that  even  though  it  is                                                               
challenging.   Their service  means a  lot to  Alaska's fishermen                                                               
and she  hopes legislators can  keep their respect  going forward                                                               
and be able  to bring some things to light  that would be helpful                                                               
to all the fishermen.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:44:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   RAUSCHER  offered   his  appreciation   for  the                                                               
learning experience and  the chance to hear from each  one of the                                                               
appointees.  He said he is an open book and here to listen.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:44:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ORTIZ  offered his  thanks  to  the nominees  for                                                               
their  willingness to  come forward  and put  up their  names for                                                               
this important organization,  the Board of Fisheries.   He stated                                                               
that he shares in the  concerns brought forward by Representative                                                               
Stutes  in relation  to the  history  of the  Board of  Fisheries                                                               
being one  that represented a balance  between commercial fishery                                                               
interests  versus  sports  fish interests  and  also  represented                                                               
somewhat of  a geographic balance as  well.  He added  that he is                                                               
here with an open mind to all the  nominees, but in the end if he                                                               
would choose  not to  vote for a  particular nominee  it wouldn't                                                               
necessarily be a  reflection on that particular  person's name in                                                               
any  way, it  would be  more about  the concerns  that have  been                                                               
there and continue  to be there with  the need for there  to be a                                                               
balance on  the [board],  one that  has historically  been there,                                                               
and it's important going forward that it continues to be there.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:46:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  TARR, in  response to  Representative Rauscher,  clarified                                                               
that voting  on confirmation  of the  appointees will  not happen                                                               
today [during  the joint  meeting], but in  the future  [before a                                                               
joint  session  of the  full  legislature].   This  situation  is                                                               
unusual,  she  explained,  in that  the  legislature  didn't  get                                                               
through its  confirmations last year  so things got out  of sync.                                                               
As  well, the  board meetings  have been  out of  sync given  the                                                               
COVID-19 pandemic.   There  is much  anticipation, she  added, of                                                               
what's happening with the new members on the Board of Fisheries.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:47:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE stated  he is here to learn  and, like some                                                               
of the board nominees,  has had "a foot in both  camps."  He said                                                               
he has  an open mind, doesn't  know the history, and  his request                                                               
is that the nominees convince him.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:48:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN JENSEN, Appointee, Board of  Fisheries, Alaska Department of                                                               
Fish  & Game  (ADF&G), testified  as  appointee to  the Board  of                                                               
Fisheries.   He  said it  is an  honor to  be reappointed  to the                                                               
board to  serve a seventh  term, which would run  from 2021-2024.                                                               
He  stated  he  has  over  50  years  of  professional  mariner's                                                               
experience in  Alaska as a  commercial fisherman,  fishing vessel                                                               
and permit  owner, and hired  captain of larger  fishing vessels.                                                               
He has participated in  multiple individual commercial fisheries,                                                               
gear  types, and  species prosecuted  in all  coastal regions  of                                                               
Alaska.    Since  2010  he   has  owned  a  seasonal  self-guided                                                               
recreational  skiff  rental  business  in  Petersburg,  providing                                                               
boating  adventures for  sport fishing,  hunting, camping,  whale                                                               
watching, glacier viewing, and local exploration.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JENSEN addressed  why  he wants  to serve  on  the Board  of                                                               
Fisheries.    He explained  that  as  a  lifelong resident  of  a                                                               
coastal community he has experienced  all aspects of the historic                                                               
dependence  on  fisheries  resources,  which  includes  personal,                                                               
subsistence,  recreational, sport,  and commercial  fishing.   He                                                               
has been a lifelong commercial  fisherman, and this has instilled                                                               
in him a  keen interest in the regulatory process.   In the Board                                                               
of Fisheries  process, he  supports all  efforts to  maintain the                                                               
customary and traditional lifestyles for  all users in Alaska and                                                               
to  continually  strengthen  the economic  stability  of  coastal                                                               
communities  and  ports  of  call for  the  fishers  and  fishing                                                               
fleets.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENSEN  stated that throughout  his 50 years as  a commercial                                                               
fisherman he  has endeavored to  work alongside those who  are in                                                               
position  to  make  the  best  decisions  possible  for  Alaska's                                                               
fishing resources.   His enthusiasm for this  work never waivers.                                                               
The overarching goal is to  work to provide sustainable fisheries                                                               
for all user groups in Alaska.   What he brings to the process is                                                               
the privilege of serving on the  Board of Fisheries for 21 years.                                                               
He has  an in-depth understanding  of the regulatory  process for                                                               
Alaska-managed  fisheries.    As   an  Alaska  fisherman  he  can                                                               
contribute  a  well-informed  working knowledge  of  the  fishing                                                               
industry from all around the state.   He is a strong advocate for                                                               
fair, equitable  allocation of  the resource  to the  user groups                                                               
based on the best science available.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENSEN  addressed the topic of  public input to the  Board of                                                               
Fisheries.   He stressed  that proposals  for change,  verbal and                                                               
written testimony,  and meeting attendance  are all vital  to the                                                               
system  for making  better decisions.   The  takeaway from  these                                                               
participants  is an  increased  awareness  of accountability  and                                                               
stewardship  of  the fisheries  and  fresh  perspective from  all                                                               
sides of the  issues.  This process belongs to  the people and he                                                               
will always let the voices of participants be heard, he added.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENSEN  concluded by recognizing  that there  are significant                                                               
challenges on the horizon.  He  said he is prepared and committed                                                               
to playing  a positive  role in  addressing them  while upholding                                                               
the  goals  of  sustainability,  fair  allocation,  conservation,                                                               
preservation of  lifestyle, and  economic resilience  of Alaska's                                                               
communities for all participants.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:51:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN  noted Mr.  Jensen's  long  tenure on  the                                                               
Board  of Fisheries.   She  asked how  frequently Mr.  Jensen has                                                               
found  himself as  a board  member needing  to be  conflicted out                                                               
from the board's decision making.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENSEN  replied that  in Southeast  specifically he  has sons                                                               
and brothers  who all participate, as  well as himself.   He said                                                               
Southeast Alaska meetings are usually  15 days long and there are                                                               
usually 200-250  proposals.   Sometimes he  is conflicted  out of                                                               
between 40  and 50 proposals  because of his relationship  to his                                                               
brothers and sons.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:52:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE  related that  Mr.  Jensen  is one  of  the                                                               
members she  has heard people  speak of with deep  respect during                                                               
his tenure of  serving.  She has not heard  any negative comments                                                               
about Mr. Jensen's service as  a board member, she continued, but                                                               
she has had one  person tell her that Mr. Jensen  has been on the                                                               
board so  long that there  should be  someone new for  that merit                                                               
alone.  She requested Mr. Jensen's response to that statement.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENSEN  responded that  he understands  the question  and why                                                               
that question comes.  He said  that given the current board being                                                               
relatively  new, it  is  nice  to have  somebody  with  a bit  of                                                               
background.  He  stated that if confirmed, this will  be his last                                                               
term and  he will make way  for new blood.   He noted that  it is                                                               
really hard  to find  somebody to  commit to  this process,  as a                                                               
board member  is totally engulfed  in this process.   While board                                                               
members may only  be in meetings for 45 days  a year, members are                                                               
on call 365 days a year.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE  thanked  Mr.  Jensen  for  the  historical                                                               
value, expertise,  and experience  that he  brings to  the board.                                                               
She expressed  her hope  that Mr. Jensen  will continue  to share                                                               
that  wisdom  with  the  other  board members  to  carry  on  the                                                               
knowledge that is needed for the history of the fishery itself.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:54:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  TARR announced  that sign-up  for  public testimony  today                                                               
would be cut off at 2:15  p.m. because 56 individuals are already                                                               
signed up  and she wants to  ensure there is time  to get through                                                               
all the people who are signed up.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:55:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  asked how  the process of  conflicting out                                                               
works.  For  example, whether the board  member conflicts himself                                                               
or  herself out,  the  board  conflicts the  member  out, or  the                                                               
member  goes to  the board  and  asks for  the board  to vote  on                                                               
conflicting out.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENSEN  answered that  it is  a process.   He  explained that                                                               
before the start of a meeting,  he goes through all the proposals                                                               
with the  board's legal advisor  and usually the director  of the                                                               
Division of Commercial Fisheries.   It's first degree of kinship,                                                               
so a member would be conflicted  out if a brother, son, or father                                                               
fishes and for any fishery that  they are involved with the board                                                               
member is considered to have  a conflict because the member could                                                               
influence  the vote  to  monetarily increase  their  income.   He                                                               
pointed out  that for sport fish  a board member doesn't  have to                                                               
conflict out because everybody is able to do sport fish.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE posed  a  scenario of  a  father that  was                                                               
retired from commercial  fishing and asked whether  that would be                                                               
considered a conflict.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENSEN replied no,  it would not be a conflict;  it has to be                                                               
an active fisher that has a  permit in one of the fisheries being                                                               
dealt with at the time.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:57:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER  noted there is  a bill in the  House for                                                               
term limits that can't get a  hearing, so he would say Mr. Jensen                                                               
is safe on the merits of what Representative Vance brought up.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:57:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ORTIZ  thanked  Mr.   Jensen  for  his  years  of                                                               
service.  He requested Mr.  Jensen to speak to the constitutional                                                               
language that it's the job of  ADF&G and other groups that have a                                                               
handle  on  the question  to  manage  Alaska's resources  to  the                                                               
maximum  sustainable yield.   He  asked  what role  the Board  of                                                               
Fisheries  plays in  relationship to  that mandate.   He  further                                                               
asked whether the  current model is the best  possible to fulfill                                                               
that mandate.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JENSEN used  the  Stikine  River as  an  example to  explain                                                               
maximum sustained  yield.  He  said there  is a problem  with the                                                               
king  salmon  run  on  the   Stikine  and  consequently  all  the                                                               
fisheries around  that river  get shut down  to conserve  on king                                                               
salmon.   At  the  same  time, that  sometimes  results in  over-                                                               
escapes  of the  sockeye run  going up  the Stikine  because they                                                               
aren't being caught while it's closed  for king salmon.  So, it's                                                               
a balance and the  department does a very good job  in that.  The                                                               
board's primary  goal is allocation  after escapement  goals have                                                               
been met, at which point the  board allocates to the various user                                                               
groups in all the fisheries.   It's a balancing act; for instance                                                               
in  Behm  Canal there  are  several  king  salmon runs  that  are                                                               
distressed  and   considered  a  stock  of   management  concern.                                                               
Consequently [the board] has to  really limit fishing time in the                                                               
lower Clarence Straits area where  the fish pass through, as well                                                               
as  from above  where they  pass through  coming from  the north.                                                               
It's  always  a  balancing  act   in  that  to  maintain  maximum                                                               
sustained yield of one fishery, a  fishery must be closed to save                                                               
another fishery, so  many times there are  different systems that                                                               
over-escape because of that.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ORTIZ said  he understands  it's a  complex issue                                                               
when trying  to go  about fulfilling that  mandate.   He recalled                                                               
Mr. Jensen  talking about the importance  of sustaining economies                                                               
and  sustaining the  fishery industry  as  a whole  as a  primary                                                               
goal.   He inquired  whether, ultimately,  the bottom  line comes                                                               
down to  sustainability, both  in theory and  in reality,  on the                                                               
decisions that are being made.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENSEN confirmed the bottom line is that it is both.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:01:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  asked what kind  of procedure or  vote the                                                               
Board of Fisheries would undertake  to affect sustainability when                                                               
a salmon run has totally  collapsed, such as the Chignik collapse                                                               
in 2018 and 2019.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENSEN answered  that it's all contained  in management plans                                                               
and there are  a lot of what-ifs.   He explained that  if the run                                                               
in Chignik  isn't doing  a certain  number of  fish by  a certain                                                               
date the fisheries either  east or west of it get  cut back.  All                                                               
fisheries  along  the coast  are  intercepted  fisheries in  some                                                               
form.   Below Kodiak, for example,  a fishery was limited  to the                                                               
Kodiak  fishermen to  help provide  more fish  westward bound  to                                                               
Chignik.   Likewise, on  the other  side, the  peninsula fishery,                                                               
there  are always  concerns about  the  intercepted fisheries  to                                                               
Chignik.  Chignik  does have some problems, he  continued, and he                                                               
doesn't know of  anybody who is really sure what  the problem is.                                                               
It  is  not necessarily  overfishing  or  interception for  other                                                               
groups, but  when it  looks like  that fishery  is going  to fail                                                               
other groups are held way back  and the closer to the fishery the                                                               
more restrictive it gets.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  surmised that  when trying to  protect the                                                               
Chignik fishery by  making cutbacks on the  larger Kodiak fishery                                                               
and on  fisheries west of  the Chignik, tension would  be created                                                               
between the major  fisheries that have a lot  of participants and                                                               
the Chignik fishery that is minor and has fewer participants.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENSEN replied that the crux  of the whole Board of Fisheries                                                               
job  is  allocation  and  creating  management  plans  that  will                                                               
sustain fisheries.  He said one  of his biggest worries right now                                                               
is that the  Chignik fishery, for whatever  reason, is definitely                                                               
having very  serious issues and  "we definitely have to  take all                                                               
measures we can to ... make that fishery sustainable again."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:04:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TARR referenced  Mr. Jensen's length of time  on the board,                                                               
the state's  budget cuts,  and the board's  reliance on  ADF&G to                                                               
provide  science  information,  and  cuts  to  multi-year  salmon                                                               
studies.   She  requested Mr.  Jensen to  reflect on  what he  is                                                               
seeing at the  department and whether the point  has been reached                                                               
of being unable to keep up  with everything that needs to be done                                                               
to keep  up with the science  and, in turn, how  that impacts the                                                               
allocation decisions.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENSEN  responded that he  is amazed how well  the department                                                               
does with  what it  has.   The department  is doing  an excellent                                                               
job,  he said,  but some  of the  studies have  been cut  back or                                                               
removed.  The  department is operating under a  strict budget and                                                               
everything gets more expensive each  year.  It's a hard situation                                                               
with the  state's finances and having  to cut the budgets  of all                                                               
departments, not just ADF&G's budget.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TARR asked whether the  Board of Fisheries is still getting                                                               
the information it needs.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENSEN answered that the  board realizes ADF&G is getting cut                                                               
back.  He  said board travel has  also been reduced and  it is no                                                               
longer able  to go out  for the side  trips that are  so helpful,                                                               
such as  trips to the Yukon  or Cook Inlet to  observe fisheries.                                                               
That makes it more difficult for  the board to make decisions, as                                                               
it is important  for board members to have  hands-on or eyeballs-                                                               
on to  understand what people  are talking about  with fisheries.                                                               
So, the board's best source  of information is the department and                                                               
the  public when  they come  testify or  talk to  the board.   He                                                               
added  that he  has high  accolades  for how  ADF&G is  operating                                                               
under these hard financial times.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:07:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CRONK thanked  Mr. Jensen  for his  service.   He                                                               
expressed his  belief that the  Board of Fisheries and  the Board                                                               
of Game represent  the best system for Alaska and  in the country                                                               
in how Alaska manages its fish and game.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:08:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MCKENZIE   MITCHELL,  Appointee,   Board  of   Fisheries,  Alaska                                                               
Department of Fish & Game  (ADF&G), testified as appointee to the                                                               
Board of Fisheries.   She stated that she was  born and raised in                                                               
northern California  and her  outdoor-loving parents  exposed her                                                               
to  camping, hiking,  and  a bit  of hunting  and  fishing.   The                                                               
minimal exposure  to hunting and fishing  influenced her decision                                                               
at  the age  of 20  to  buy a  one-way  ticket to  Alaska.   Upon                                                               
arriving in Anchorage  she took the city bus from  the hostel she                                                               
was staying at  to the city library where  she researched hunting                                                               
and fishing operations in Alaska.   She called various operations                                                               
and  told them  she  would  work for  room,  board, and  industry                                                               
experience.    A  lodge  in  Kodiak accepted  her  offer  on  the                                                               
condition  that  she not  have  green  hair  given she  was  from                                                               
California.   She flew  to Kodiak  the next day  and then  to the                                                               
remote hunting  and fishing  lodge where  she worked  for several                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MITCHELL related  that she  acquired her  captain's license,                                                               
sport fish  guide license, and  assistant hunting  guide license,                                                               
and she started  to make a wage as well.   She worked full-length                                                               
seasons,  beginning  in  April with  spring  bear  hunting,  then                                                               
summer fishing, and then fall  bear and deer hunting seasons that                                                               
ended in  November and December,  at which time she  would travel                                                               
to the  [Lower 48]  to work  hunting and  fishing shows,  such as                                                               
Safari Club International.  While  her calling was working in the                                                               
hunting and fishing industry, she  still wanted a college degree,                                                               
so  she enrolled  at the  University  of Alaska  Fairbanks.   She                                                               
majored in  economics and eventually  received a  graduate degree                                                               
in resource and applied economics.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. MITCHELL  said her  definition of  resource economics  is the                                                               
supply, demand, and  allocation of earth's natural  resources.  A                                                               
graduate degree  in resource  economics, she  continued, prepares                                                               
students to  use economic  tools to  evaluate the  allocation and                                                               
the  utilization of  resources to  achieve optimal  environmental                                                               
and social benefits.   It also helps in  understanding the market                                                               
and values associated  with the environment and  resource use, as                                                               
well  as resource  management decisions.   She  is fascinated  by                                                               
this  economic way  of thinking  and its  application to  natural                                                               
resources.   With  its incredible  resource endowment,  Alaska is                                                               
largely  resource dependent  and that  makes for  great economics                                                               
and a great lifestyle.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. MITCHELL stated  that a large part of  her education centered                                                               
on economic methods  for valuing nonmarket goods.   She said this                                                               
is  important when  applied to  resources because  many resources                                                               
provide utility but do not  necessarily have direct or observable                                                               
market prices.  Simply following  monetary flows to determine the                                                               
economic  importance of  a natural  resource will  understate its                                                               
true value  every time.   Of equal  importance in her  opinion is                                                               
the  process  at  which  natural   resources  are  allocated  for                                                               
consumptive  purposes.    The allocative  decisions  intended  to                                                               
optimize  social  and  environmental welfare  over  time  require                                                               
evaluating the resource  and the user groups  by assigning values                                                               
that  may  not  be  directly  observable.    Alaska's  commercial                                                               
fishery  is  incredibly  important and  has  incredible  economic                                                               
opportunity  for maintaining  generational  heritage of  families                                                               
and  communities across  the  state, as  well  as maintaining  an                                                               
incredibly powerful  position as  a leading  supplier of  fish to                                                               
the  world  market.    Alaska's   subsistence  and  personal  use                                                               
fisheries  are  incredibly important  because  the  health of  an                                                               
economy and  the strength of  state are greatly supported  by the                                                               
wellbeing  of  its people  and  the  ability  of people  to  feel                                                               
unified  under  tradition  and belief  system.    Alaska's  sport                                                               
fishery  is  incredibly  important   for  reasons  spanning  from                                                               
significant growth over the past  two decades to its influence in                                                               
maintaining Alaska's status as a premier travel destination.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MITCHELL  noted that  she  currently  teaches economics  and                                                               
recreation  management  courses  at   the  University  of  Alaska                                                               
Fairbanks.   She also works part-time  in the winter months  at a                                                               
flight  school  as a  ground  instructor  and advance  instrument                                                               
ground  instructor.    She  continues to  work  seasonally  as  a                                                               
hunting and fishing guide.  She  concluded by stating that she is                                                               
incredibly passionate  about Alaska, Alaska's resources,  and her                                                               
Alaskan lifestyle,  and would  be honored  to participate  at the                                                               
Board of Fisheries level.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:13:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN stated  her belief  that Ms.  Mitchell has                                                               
served  on the  Board  of Fisheries  for two  years.   She  asked                                                               
whether Ms. Mitchell  has had to conflict out during  her time on                                                               
the board or foresees proposals  in which she would be conflicted                                                               
out.  She allowed this would  be unusual given Ms. Mitchell works                                                               
sometimes as a sport fishing boat captain.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MITCHELL  replied that  [board  members]  prepare an  ethics                                                               
statement disclosing  any information  at which they  think would                                                               
be a  conflict for them.   She said [board members]  also consult                                                               
with the Department  of Law (DOL) and the chair  member who helps                                                               
to  determine  whether  a  board  member  is  in  a  position  of                                                               
conflict.  She  stated she has not  had a reason thus  far in her                                                               
participation at  the board level,  however she has made  it open                                                               
in her  ethics statement that at  some point she intends  to have                                                               
her  own fishing  operation.   At  this time  and  over the  past                                                               
decade,  she   continued,  she  has  worked   for  other  fishing                                                               
outfitters as a boat captain and sport fishing guide.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN pointed  out  that  people understand  the                                                               
direct  connection  for  a  commercial  fisherman's  conflict  of                                                               
interest in a  specific fishery.  However, she  continued, by law                                                               
none of Alaska's sport fisheries  are called commercial fisheries                                                               
even when  guided and lodge-based;  rather they are  called sport                                                               
fishing.   She surmised that  as an economist Ms.  Mitchell would                                                               
understand  that  it  is  an economic  benefit  to  Ms.  Mitchell                                                               
personally and  to the industry to  have lodges with those.   She                                                               
therefore  asked whether  Ms. Mitchell  could foresee  that there                                                               
would be conflicts that Ms.  Mitchell would have the inability to                                                               
act on under current policy because  of her present position as a                                                               
licensed boat skipper for Raspberry Island Remote Lodge.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:16:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TARR  interjected that it  is 2:15  p.m. and the  cutoff to                                                               
sign up  for public testimony has  been reached.  She  noted that                                                               
about 66 people are now signed  up to testify and testimony would                                                               
be taken in the order in which people had signed up.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MITCHELL   responded  to  Representative  Hannan   that  she                                                               
provided an updated  resume that hasn't been  distributed and she                                                               
doesn't currently work for Kodiak  Raspberry Island Remote Lodge.                                                               
She  stated she  does not  currently  see herself  as having  any                                                               
conflicts with any of the things  that have been presented to the                                                               
board thus far.   She will continue to monitor  that in the event                                                               
that at  some point  she may  be operating in  an area  where the                                                               
board is currently  looking at proposals.  As  she progresses her                                                               
personal career and,  at some point, opens her  own sport fishing                                                               
business, she  will continue  to consult  with the  Department of                                                               
Law to make  sure that she is not in  conflict with anything that                                                               
is being taken up by the board.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:17:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES  inquired whether Ms. Mitchell  has been on                                                               
the Board of Fisheries for one year or two years.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. MITCHELL  answered she was  appointed to the board  in spring                                                               
[2020].   However, the COVID  situation caused challenges  in the                                                               
confirmation process and  so she has maintained  a board position                                                               
until this confirmation process.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES asked what  percentage of time Ms. Mitchell                                                               
spends as a fishing guide versus a hunting guide.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. MITCHELL replied  that her time is split  within the seasons,                                                               
but  her fishing  season is  typically  cut a  little bit  short.                                                               
Depending on  the year, she  continued, she will typically  run a                                                               
sport fishing boat  from mid- to end-May  through July, sometimes                                                               
August,  and sometimes  through  the middle  of September,  which                                                               
typically is when  the sport fishing season closes  for the year.                                                               
Year-to-year  that changes.   She  works for  about a  half dozen                                                               
different  outfitters  across  the   state,  and  she  fluctuates                                                               
depending  on the  work opportunity.   Over  the past  decade, it                                                               
probably averages right at 50-50.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES   inquired  whether  she  is   correct  in                                                               
recalling from  last year's confirmation hearing  that when asked                                                               
why she didn't apply for the  Board of Game, Ms. Mitchell replied                                                               
that someone had  called her and asked her to  put forth her name                                                               
to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MITCHELL responded  that she  had a  conversation with  Reed                                                               
Morisky where  the idea  of potentially putting  her name  in for                                                               
the Board of Fisheries came about.   She said she thought what an                                                               
honor it would be to serve  because she had been passionate about                                                               
fisheries in the state since the  day she moved to Alaska and she                                                               
continued to  work within fisheries both  academically and within                                                               
the industry.   She therefore put  her name in and  is honored to                                                               
be before the committees today.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES  asked Ms.  Mitchell how much  exposure she                                                               
has had to the commercial fishing industry.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MITCHELL answered  that this  is going  to be  a very  large                                                               
learning curve for  her, and that it's pretty well  known at this                                                               
point.   Her background  is in academia,  she continued,  and her                                                               
academic  experience  is  in having  read  hundreds  of  academic                                                               
journals on property rights,  fishing quotas, economic principles                                                               
in sustaining multi-use  fisheries, appropriate economic measures                                                               
for  valuation, and  allocating  harvest  between competing  user                                                               
groups.  Her industry experience is  more on the sport fish side.                                                               
If  confirmed for  this position,  she stated,  it would  be only                                                               
appropriate that she would seek  out significant education within                                                               
the commercial  fisheries and  all fisheries so  that she  can do                                                               
the best job she can in serving the board.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:21:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE  stated that  economics  is  the study  of                                                               
scarce  resources.   He  asked whether  Ms.  Mitchell, given  her                                                               
knowledge  of economics  and  knowledge of  the  study of  scarce                                                               
resources,  could  be fair  in  evaluating  the need  for  decent                                                               
allocation between  sport fish and commercial  fish when required                                                               
to vote, despite her being a sport fish kind of person.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. MITCHELL  replied that  her industry  experience is  in sport                                                               
fish, but  as a board member  she wouldn't say that  she is sport                                                               
fish or  any other kind  of proponent  of a specific  user group.                                                               
She said  she believes all the  user groups in the  state need to                                                               
find a  way to  co-exist and,  in that,  is the  very challenging                                                               
process of allocation.  As a  board member everything is going to                                                               
be based  on the  situation and  it's really  not fair  to direct                                                               
attention  towards one  user group  over another  because of  the                                                               
vast geographic  differences and  the importance of  the resource                                                               
to different user groups in different  areas of the state.  To be                                                               
able to make decisions, it is  a reliance on looking at the data,                                                               
talking to  the stakeholders, and understanding  the resource and                                                               
its importance to the people who are utilizing in that area.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:24:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GILLHAM recalled  that  in the  early 1960s,  the                                                               
first  commissioner Andy  Anderson told  the board  that if  they                                                               
over-escaped the fishery, then they  would be reprimanded, and if                                                               
they under-escaped it, they would  be fired.  He further recalled                                                               
that  Andy Anderson  said  regardless of  the  pain inflicted  on                                                               
people he was  managing for the fisheries, not for  politics.  It                                                               
was a harsh way to manage, but  by the early 1980s Cook Inlet had                                                               
record  fish  runs.   Representative  Gillham  asked whether  Ms.                                                               
Mitchell would  be willing to  follow that example and  manage in                                                               
that harsh of a situation.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. MITCHELL responded that she  believes certain situations call                                                               
for  more drastic  measures.   She  said she  also believes  that                                                               
that's  all situational  based,  and without  the information  in                                                               
front of her, she cant   blatantly say something across the board                                                               
like  that.    She  stressed   that  Article  VIII  [of  Alaska's                                                               
constitution]  is  a  guideline   that  the  Board  of  Fisheries                                                               
follows, which is  to utilize, develop, and  conserve the natural                                                               
resource for  the maximum  benefit of the  people.   Sometimes to                                                               
benefit the  people the most,  drastic measures need to  be taken                                                               
to  rebuild  fish stocks,  but  she  would not  feel  comfortable                                                               
stating that she would just  blatantly take that drastic measure.                                                               
She would  make decisions  that matched  the situation  given the                                                               
information provided.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:26:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES  requested Ms.  Mitchell to comment  on how                                                               
an unlimited  potential demand on  resources, as in  the personal                                                               
use fishery  or sport fisheries  in urban areas, would  play into                                                               
allocative decisions.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. MITCHELL answered  that in the first week  of every economics                                                               
course  she  teaches, an  assumption  is  made that  people  have                                                               
unlimited  wants and  there is  a limitation  on resources.   She                                                               
said she understands that that  situation exists within sport and                                                               
personal  use fisheries.   However,  she continued,  she believes                                                               
that that  situation exists in  everything that [people]  do, and                                                               
so  that conversation  is  had within  every  decision, not  just                                                               
within those two user groups.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:27:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  recounted that when Ms.  Mitchell was first                                                               
appointed  there was  a lot  of consternation  about her  lack of                                                               
experience with  the Board of  Fisheries.  However,  she related,                                                               
she has  received a  lot of  good feedback  that Ms.  Mitchell is                                                               
willing to roll  up her sleeves, dig in, and  bring her education                                                               
to the table.   She further related that a  previous board member                                                               
spoke to her about the need to  have an economist on the Board of                                                               
Fisheries because  it deals with  livelihoods and the  economy of                                                               
Alaska.   She said she  is hearing from Ms.  Mitchell's testimony                                                               
that Ms. Mitchell  cares deeply about sustaining  the fishery and                                                               
making  sure there  is  a balance.   She  asked  what metric  Ms.                                                               
Mitchell uses to weigh the  balance of sustaining the fishery and                                                               
providing for the maximum benefit to the economy.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MITCHELL responded  that  there  is a  lot  of science  that                                                               
supports  what needs  to happen  and helps  to set  [the board's]                                                               
total  allowable  catch  and  helps   [the  board]  to  determine                                                               
escapement goals  to sustain  the fishery,  which is  so valuable                                                               
and  so important.   However,  she said,  the Board  of Fisheries                                                               
deals   almost   primarily   and  exclusively   with   allocative                                                               
decisions.  The board is not  just looking at the biology and the                                                               
science of the resource itself anymore.   The board is looking at                                                               
the way that humans interact  with the resource, and economics is                                                               
typically the study of human  decision making under scarcity.  It                                                               
is that  interaction, she continued, where  she could potentially                                                               
bring something  forth to  the board  in helping  to look  at the                                                               
human interaction  with the resource because  sustaining it based                                                               
on the science and the need  of the resource itself doesn't allow                                                               
[the board] to  necessarily produce the benefit to  the people by                                                               
continuing to utilize  the resource.  Putting  those two together                                                               
is an important component in making the allocative decision.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  stated she appreciates those  elements in a                                                               
board member.   She asked  what Ms. Mitchell,  at the end  of her                                                               
term if  appointed, would deem  as one of her  greatest successes                                                               
of the value that she brought to the board.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. MITCHELL replied that if  confirmed and given the opportunity                                                               
to  serve, she  would consider  her greatest  contribution to  be                                                               
having  listened to  the  stakeholders, and  to  having read  and                                                               
applied  her   knowledge  and  education  to   making  calculated                                                               
decisions in  an effort  to support the  resource and  the people                                                               
who utilize the resource.  That would be her goal in serving.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:31:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STORY  stated she  thinks it's important  that the                                                               
Board  of  Fisheries have  some  regional  and sector  preference                                                               
balance.  She said she also  thinks it's important that all board                                                               
members can make decisions  based upon scientific recommendations                                                               
and  not just  a regional  or  sector preference.   She  inquired                                                               
whether Ms.  Mitchell feels  she can do  that, and  requested Ms.                                                               
Mitchell to  provide an example  of the  time on the  board where                                                               
she has done something like that.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. MITCHELL stated she was unable to hear the question.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STORY  rephrased her question.   She asked whether                                                               
Ms. Mitchell  feels she  can make  decisions based  on scientific                                                               
recommendations  and not  regional or  sector preference  and, if                                                               
so, to provide an example of when Ms. Mitchell has done that.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. MITCHELL  answered that  every decision she  has made  on the                                                               
board so  far has been based  on the information provided  by the                                                               
department,  her  conversations  with  stakeholders  and  fishery                                                               
managers,  and the  information that  has been  provided to  her.                                                               
She  stated  she  would  continue  to  make  decisions  based  on                                                               
evaluation  of   all  the   information  and   conversation  with                                                               
stakeholders, and not influenced in any other way.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STORY  understood Ms.  Mitchell to be  saying that                                                               
she doesn't have  a particular example but that is  how she tries                                                               
to make every decision.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MITCHELL replied  correct,  she has  talked to  stakeholders                                                               
regarding every decision  that she has made on the  board at this                                                               
point, along with the information provided to her.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:34:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARIT  CARLSON-VAN DORT,  Appointee, Board  of Fisheries,  Alaska                                                               
Department of Fish & Game  (ADF&G), testified as appointee to the                                                               
Board of  Fisheries.  She said  she is a born  and raised Alutiiq                                                               
Alaskan from the southern Alaska  Peninsula.  She attended school                                                               
in Juneau  during the  winters and spent  her summers  in Chignik                                                               
Bay  with her  extended family  and many  generational fishermen.                                                               
She has  resided in Anchorage  since 2015  and prior to  that her                                                               
entire life experience was living in coastal Alaska.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARLSON-VAN DORT  related that  Chignik is  a small  village                                                               
with a long  history in fisheries.  She noted  that while various                                                               
fisheries  have come  and gone  over  the years,  the village  is                                                               
supported  almost  entirely by  sockeye  salmon.   In  the  early                                                               
1990s, when she was about 13 or  14, she was offered a job on her                                                               
grandfather's seine  boat.  She spent  the next 13 or  so summers                                                               
seining for  salmon in  that fishery,  as did  her mother  for 24                                                               
years, as did her grandfather for  well over 60 years, and as did                                                               
both  of  her  great  grandfathers   before  him.    These  early                                                               
experiences and  being a lifelong  subsistence user  inspired her                                                               
interest in ecology and natural science.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARLSON-VAN DORT  said that  after  graduating from  Juneau-                                                               
Douglas High  School she earned  a Bachelor of Science  degree in                                                               
Conservation  Biology from  the University  of Wisconsin-Madison.                                                               
She  allowed that  Wisconsin may  not be  known as  a hotbed  for                                                               
salmon research,  but pointed out  that the  university pioneered                                                               
the science of limnology and  fish ecology in fresh water systems                                                               
in  North America  especially, and  it  was in  that course  work                                                               
where she  concentrated most of  her studies.  She  continued her                                                               
education  at  the  University of  Alaska  Southeast  in  Fishery                                                               
Science   where  she   was  particularly   interested  in   large                                                               
population dynamics in  salmonid species, and also  in the Master                                                               
of Arts  teaching program where  she studied  secondary education                                                               
with a math/science emphasis.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN  DORT stated that  how Alaska  protects, manages,                                                               
and  uses its  many resources  has remained  central to  both her                                                               
personal  and professional  interests.   As a  former legislative                                                               
staffer, she  spent many hours  assigned to the  Senate Resources                                                               
Standing Committee.   She served as a  former legislative liaison                                                               
to the  Department of Environmental Conservation.   More recently                                                               
she shifted  to the private  sector and moved to  Anchorage where                                                               
she continued  working in public  affairs and  government affairs                                                               
in areas that were associated  with state and federal regulation,                                                               
environmental  policy,  permitting,  development,  and  community                                                               
outreach and engagement.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT specified that  she is currently employed as                                                               
the  President  and CEO  of  Far  West Incorporated,  the  Alaska                                                               
Native  village  corporation for  Chignik  Bay  formed under  the                                                               
Alaska Native  Claims Settlement Act  (ANCSA).  She  related that                                                               
the  Far West  board of  directors recognizes  that managing  Far                                                               
West  lands for  subsistence and  cultural resources  remains the                                                               
highest priority  and best  use of the  corporation's lands.   As                                                               
such, aside from  the lease to permit guided bear  hunting on Far                                                               
West lands,  and very limited  rentals of a couple  apartments in                                                               
the village,  the corporation derives  no revenue  from fisheries                                                               
or  any  other  business  interest  in the  village.    Far  West                                                               
shareholders  primarily  reside  in Southcentral  Alaska  and  in                                                               
Kodiak,  the   two  locations   between  which   the  corporation                                                               
alternates hosting its annual shareholders meetings.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:38:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN  DORT explained that  her interest in  serving on                                                               
the Board of  Fisheries came about because of what  seemed to her                                                               
to be  very significant  changes and dramatic  shifts in  many of                                                               
Alaska's fish  populations and their  behaviors in  recent years.                                                               
She said she  is very interested in trying to  understand what is                                                               
causing  these changes  and  ensuring  that fisheries  management                                                               
policies are  appropriately responsive to what  is being observed                                                               
locally and  reflected in the  scientific data.   Most important,                                                               
management needs  to be for  long-term sustainability and  to her                                                               
that means  first and  foremost that  sufficient numbers  of fish                                                               
are  returning   and  reproducing  to  renew   wild  populations.                                                               
Second,  there  must be  management  for  a sustainable  surplus,                                                               
primarily based  on maximum sustained  yield principles.   Third,                                                               
Alaska has  a subsistence  use priority, and  it is  important to                                                               
her that fish resources are  available to Alaskans as a reliable,                                                               
affordable, and  accessible source of healthy  protein to support                                                               
Alaskan's  bodies and  feed Alaskan  families.   Ms.  Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort further stated that Alaska's  commercial fishing industry is                                                               
an incredibly important industry for  the state's economy, and it                                                               
is also  an important part  of bolstering Alaska's  food security                                                               
and making  fish available  to Alaskans  who for  whatever reason                                                               
may or  may not  be able  or willing to  access the  resource for                                                               
themselves.   She said  she fully  recognizes the  importance and                                                               
value  of Alaska's  subsistence, commercial,  sport fishing,  and                                                               
personal use  fisheries to the  culture and economies  of Alaskan                                                               
communities, most especially rural communities.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT addressed  some recently distributed talking                                                               
points that  have come  to her  attention, and  that in  her view                                                               
contain a variety  of falsehoods and inaccuracies.   In regard to                                                               
the assertion  that she currently  occupies a  commercial fishing                                                               
seat, she  noted that she  was appointed  in spring 2019  to fill                                                               
the seat  that was  occupied by Orville  Huntington when  he made                                                               
the move to the Board of Game.   At that time she was unanimously                                                               
confirmed by the legislature to  complete the remaining two years                                                               
of  his three-year  term.   As  discussed  today, she  continued,                                                               
there  are no  designated seats  on the  Board of  Fisheries, but                                                               
informally  Mr.  Huntington was  seated  in  a subsistence  seat.                                                               
John  Jensen,  Fritz  Johnson, and  Gerad  Godfrey  occupied  the                                                               
commercial fishing seats.  Reed  Morisky, Israel Payton, and John                                                               
Wood occupied  the sport fishing  seats.  She would  maintain her                                                               
position  as  a  so-called  subsistence  seat  on  the  Board  of                                                               
Fisheries that the committees are presently considering.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT spoke to  the Upper Cook Inlet meeting where                                                               
she provided plenty  of justification for the  proposals that she                                                               
supported and didn't support.  She  noted that the record and her                                                               
voting record  are available for everyone  to look at.   She said                                                               
it is  inaccurate to claim  that her  only support is  sport fish                                                               
proposals  over  commercial fish.    She  did  not come  to  that                                                               
meeting  with her  mind  made up.   She  asked  questions of  the                                                               
department  and  staff  and  the   public,  and  worked  hard  on                                                               
brokering compromise between commercial  and sport fish interests                                                               
on  addressing   a  late  run  Kenai   king  salmon  conservation                                                               
management plan; precisely the process  and type of communication                                                               
in board members that is valued by stakeholders.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARLSON-VAN DORT  said she  was surprised  by the  assertion                                                               
from commercial fishermen  that she doesn't engage.   She pointed                                                               
out that she has on multiple  occasions been invited and met with                                                               
United Fishermen  of Alaska  (UFA) leadership  and members.   She                                                               
participated  in a  panel  hosted  by UFA  last  fall during  its                                                               
virtual fish  expo.  She  has met in  person with members  of the                                                               
Kodiak Salmon  Working Group.   She has  met in person  with Cook                                                               
Inlet drift  permit fishermen and  setnetters.  She has  met with                                                               
sport fish  guides and  conservation groups  from the  Lower Cook                                                               
Inlet to the Matanuska-Susitna Valley.   She has met with Chignik                                                               
area stakeholders, with hatchery  representatives, and folks from                                                               
Alaska Native regional and village  corporations and tribes.  She                                                               
has  spoken  on   the  phone  with  stakeholders,   and  she  has                                                               
communicated  by  email.   She  has  done  her  very best  to  be                                                               
available to Alaskans because they deserve no less.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:43:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARLSON-VAN DORT  discussed another  assertion she  was made                                                               
aware of.   She  stated there  was no  vote strictly  for Chignik                                                               
fishermen  that  are  also  shareholders  and  directors  of  the                                                               
Chignik village corporation that she  works for.  The corporation                                                               
has  shareholders that  are  Chignik permit  holders  as well  as                                                               
shareholders  that are  Kodiak  seine permit  holders.   The  two                                                               
communities  have  a  history  that   is  decades  long,  if  not                                                               
centuries long,  of transportation  back and forth  between them.                                                               
She  said  the   board  made  a  very   difficult  and  unpopular                                                               
allocation decision  to decrease the time  and percent allocation                                                               
allowed  to  the  Kodiak  fleet  to  prosecute  a  very  specific                                                               
intercept fishery on a struggling  Chignik run that has failed to                                                               
meet minimum escapement goals for the last three years.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT refuted the  last assertion, stating she did                                                               
not work  with a cousin  to submit proposals  to the board.   She                                                               
pointed out  that the  proposals were  submitted long  before she                                                               
had an interest in being appointed  to the Board of Fisheries and                                                               
had never worked with her cousin  in crafting any proposals.  She                                                               
said she  also had no  knowledge of  her uncle's transfer  of his                                                               
seine permit  prior to the  Kodiak meeting, and he  has submitted                                                               
to the committees  a sworn affidavit affirming these  facts.  She                                                               
related that when drafting her  ethics disclosures she has always                                                               
checked  the Commercial  Fisheries  Entry  Commission website  to                                                               
ensure that her disclosures were  accurate.  Ms. Carlson-Van Dort                                                               
said she  disclosed that  [her uncle]  held a  permit in  the two                                                               
prior meetings  in which she  had participated at the  work group                                                               
and in  Lower Cook  Inlet; as  well she  disclosed at  the Kodiak                                                               
meeting that  [her uncle] had  held a  Chignik permit.   Prior to                                                               
deliberations, she  continued, she  also disclosed on  the record                                                               
that  she had  a  first  cousin who  had  submitted  some of  the                                                               
proposals that  were before  the board.   She consulted  with the                                                               
Department of  Law and the  board chair as the  ethics supervisor                                                               
on all of  these disclosures, she said, and she  was advised that                                                               
there was no conflict of  interest under the Alaska Branch Ethics                                                               
Act  ("Ethics  Act").    Lastly,   she  continued,  during  board                                                               
discussion she did use the word  "we" in referring to the loss of                                                               
two processing plants  that occurred in the  community of Chignik                                                               
in the  last few  years, and she  admits it was  a mistake.   She                                                               
did, however,  work very hard  and late on drafting  her comments                                                               
and  reviewing department  data  related to  proposals about  the                                                               
Cape Igvak Salmon Management Plan.   She stated that she did work                                                               
with Chignik stakeholder groups to  make sure that the intent and                                                               
the effect  of the proposed  policy change was accurate.   "Isn't                                                               
that the  job of  a board  member?" she asked.   She  pointed out                                                               
that she  is but one vote  on the board and  that that particular                                                               
proposal, which was not submitted by her cousin, passed 4-1.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT concluded by  stating that everyone has deep                                                               
and meaningful  ties throughout  Alaska.   She said  she believes                                                               
that  all   the  appointees  care  very   deeply  about  Alaska's                                                               
fisheries.   She expressed her  honor and  pride to be  the first                                                               
woman and  the first Alaska  Native woman  to ever be  elected as                                                               
chair of the Board of Fisheries.   Alaska's fish resources mean a                                                               
great deal to  her and they have given her  a lot, she continued.                                                               
Alaska's fish  have afforded  her a great  education and  now she                                                               
wants to  give back,  and that  is the reason  she is  before the                                                               
committees today asking for re-confirmation.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:46:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  offered his appreciation for  Ms. Carlson-                                                               
Van  Dort's testimony  and speaking  to  the accusations  leveled                                                               
against her  by some fairly big  groups.  He posed  a scenario in                                                               
which a Kodiak fishery failed in  the same way as has the Chignik                                                               
fishery, and  asked whether  Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort would  vote in                                                               
the same way to support  that fishery by decreasing the intercept                                                               
catch in one of the other sectors.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN  DORT replied yes.   She said her first  focus is                                                               
on the  biological needs of  the resource and then  on bolstering                                                               
and maintaining  a surplus  that is harvestable.   She  has often                                                               
questioned  whether or  not that  same vote  would have  occurred                                                               
with respect to the Cape  Igvak Salmon Management Plan if Chignik                                                               
had not experienced  the last three years, and  she would venture                                                               
to guess no.   She said she looks at  the conservation principles                                                               
irrespective  of  whether  the   conservation  issue  is  in  her                                                               
hometown or anywhere else in the state of Alaska.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE  remarked  that he  understands  from  Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van Dort's  testimony that she is  filling the unofficial                                                               
subsistence  position.   He  noted  that  a  lot is  heard  about                                                               
commercial fish and  sport fish, but not a  lot about subsistence                                                               
fish; it  always seems  to be a  tension between  commercial fish                                                               
and sport fish.  He requested  Ms. Carlson-Van Dort to relate her                                                               
experience as a  subsistence fisher and how  important she thinks                                                               
that is to her job for  Alaskans, and to Native Alaskans who seem                                                               
to have a vested interest in her position on the board.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN  DORT responded that  being able to  practice the                                                               
same  activities  accessing  the  same  food  sources  that  your                                                               
ancestors did is  a huge part of personal  and cultural identity,                                                               
and whether that  is for Alaska Native peoples or  for anyone who                                                               
has an intimate  relationship with the land  and water resources.                                                               
Personally,  her  family  has  grown   up  subsisting  on  salmon                                                               
primarily,  but  many other  sources  as  well such  as  berries,                                                               
halibut, crab, moose,  and caribou.  "Salmon is  a cornerstone of                                                               
so much of  who we are," she  added, "what we do with  the fish                                                                 
pickle it, smoke  it, can it, jar  it ... make it  fish pies, the                                                               
works,  and  so ...  it  is  an  intrinsic  part of  my  personal                                                               
identity."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:50:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE  thanked  Ms.   Carlson-Van  Dort  for  her                                                               
service, but  said she cannot  ignore the  overwhelming testimony                                                               
against the  appointee's confirmation.   She related  that people                                                               
have said in emailed testimony  that Ms. Carlson-Van Dort's claim                                                               
of  being the  subsistence  representative on  the [board]  makes                                                               
them defensive.   There are statements that  Ms. Carlson-Van Dort                                                               
has never relied on subsistence  for her food.  Another statement                                                               
was  that  tribal  people  should  not  take  from  one  another,                                                               
especially  when the  allocation has  been  set in  place for  so                                                               
long.  A lot of the  testimony has very strong feelings about it,                                                               
Representative Vance  continued.  She asked  Ms. Carlson-Van Dort                                                               
what she  has to  say to  the people  who feel  that she  has not                                                               
represented subsistence  given her  board seat is  considered the                                                               
traditional, although not statutory, subsistence seat.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT  answered that she thinks she  has been very                                                               
consistent  in supporting  the  subsistence  proposals that  have                                                               
come  before the  board since  she became  a part  of the  board.                                                               
However, the  board's job  is to represent  the interests  of the                                                               
fish and  of all Alaskans, she  stated.  Her perspective  is most                                                               
strong in  subsistence and  commercial fishing  and she  has less                                                               
experience in  sport fish  and personal use.   Her  experience is                                                               
her own, which is what she is sharing with the committees today.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  stated that Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort just said                                                               
her experience is in subsistence  and commercial fishing, and yet                                                               
the  overwhelming testimony  is  that the  appointee's vote  lean                                                               
more  to  sport  fish  decisions than  they  do  subsistence  and                                                               
commercial.  She requested the appointee's response to that.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT  replied that her response is  to review her                                                               
votes.   She  would say  that her  votes are  very consistent  on                                                               
subsistence interests,  and her  votes go back  and forth  on the                                                               
sport and commercial fishing interests.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  offered her  appreciation for  Ms. Carlson-                                                               
Van Dort's honesty.   She stated that there is  much deep emotion                                                               
because this  deals with people's  livelihoods, culture,  and way                                                               
of life  with a  very scarce  resource.  She  related that  [as a                                                               
legislator] she must weigh and  balance the needs of all Alaskans                                                               
in  her  decision.    The   opposition  cannot  be  ignored,  she                                                               
continued, because  there has  been much more  than just  "hey we                                                               
don't  like   her  because  of   her  votes,"  there   have  been                                                               
accusations that Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort hasn't taken consideration                                                               
to get  perspective of  all groups.   Legislators must  weigh how                                                               
the appointee  has conducted herself  as a board member  in light                                                               
of  the  people's  perspective  since  it  is  those  people  who                                                               
legislators must  represent.   Legislators are  filtering through                                                               
the truth, she continued, so as  much as Ms. Carlson-Van Dort can                                                               
speak  to putting  her perspective  on the  record, and  what has                                                               
actually  taken place  on the  record, will  help legislators  in                                                               
their decision making.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARLSON-VAN DORT  responded  with examples  relative to  the                                                               
subsistence issues.  She said she  believes she voted in favor of                                                               
creating  an  amount  necessary   for  subsistence  for  Seldovia                                                               
subsistence users  and also  creating additional  opportunity for                                                               
those  subsistence users.   She  voted in  favor of  a very  good                                                               
conservation proposal put forth  by the Tyonek Native Association                                                               
to  substitute  sockeye  or  other species  of  salmon  for  king                                                               
salmon.    She also  voted  in  favor of  increasing  subsistence                                                               
opportunity in the  upper Yentna River.  There  were only several                                                               
subsistence  related votes  in her  limited tenure  of about  one                                                               
year on  the board, she  noted, and she thinks  those subsistence                                                               
interests were represented and she voted in favor of them.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:56:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   STUTES  offered   her  understanding   that  Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van Dort is still the CEO of Far West Incorporated.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT answered correct.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   STUTES  offered   her  understanding   that  Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van  Dort checked  with [the  Department of  Law] on  her                                                               
conflicts of interest  in relation to her votes.   She noted that                                                               
personal interests are  defined as "an interest  held or involved                                                               
by a public  officer or the officer's immediate  family member or                                                               
parent,  including   membership  in  any   organization,  whether                                                               
fraternal, nonprofit,  for profit,  charitable, or  politic, from                                                               
which or  as a result of  a person or an  organization receives a                                                               
benefit.  Representative  Stutes asked whether it is  a fact that                                                               
many  of  the  shareholders  are indeed  permit  holders  in  the                                                               
Chignik area.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARLSON-VAN DORT  replied she  is not  sure how  many permit                                                               
holders  are left  in Chignik  that actually  participate in  the                                                               
fishery; she does know  of a few.  She said  she doesn't know how                                                               
many there  are that  are actually  fishing any  longer, although                                                               
that is  neither here  nor there  because if  they hold  a permit                                                               
that is  the asset in  question.   But, she continued,  there are                                                               
also permit  holders around  the state,  including some  from the                                                               
community of Representative Stutes.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES agreed, but  maintained that there is going                                                               
to be a  conflict somewhere when someone is sitting  on the Board                                                               
of  Fisheries and  making a  decision while  also sitting  as the                                                               
head  of Far  West Incorporated.   She  recalled Ms.  Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort saying  that she is  only one vote  and the vote  passed for                                                               
the Igvak  area 4-1.   Representative Stutes asked whether  it is                                                               
correct that it takes four votes  to pass anything and that if it                                                               
had been a vote of 3-1 it wouldn't have passed.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARLSON-VAN DORT  responded,  "I don't  know,"  and said  it                                                               
would depend upon if a quorum were represented.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES offered her  understanding that a quorum on                                                               
a vote or for a pass on the Board of Fisheries is four votes.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN  DORT answered, "If it  was a 3-1 vote,  yeah, it                                                               
probably wouldn't  have ... passed  because ... there  would have                                                               
been I  think a  failure to meet  a quorum    no, no  there would                                                               
have  been a  quorum."   In  regard to  the  earlier question  of                                                               
whether there was  a conflict, she stated that a  conflict as she                                                               
understands  it  is  defined  as   a  financial  interest  of  an                                                               
immediate  family  member.    She  said Far  West  has  over  500                                                               
shareholders  and   she  thinks  it   is  a  minority   of  those                                                               
shareholders that currently hold permits.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:58:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES  pointed out  that  there  are [Far  West]                                                               
members that  hold permits and that  it takes four votes  to pass                                                               
anything, and  Ms. Carlson-Van Dort  was the fourth  vote because                                                               
she didn't declare a conflict.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT replied that  she didn't declare a conflict,                                                               
but she did  put all of that  on the record.   When preparing her                                                               
ethics  statement she  consulted with  the ethics  chair and  the                                                               
Department of Law,  and it was determined by them  that there was                                                               
no  conflict.   "There  is  a  process  at  the board  level  for                                                               
addressing conflicts  amongst the members," she  continued.  "The                                                               
chair asks if  any members have questions, comments,  and at that                                                               
time any  member can  raise an  issue that  the board  would then                                                               
vote on; that didn't happen."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES  stated, "I  think we're  getting crosswise                                                               
here with a perceived conflict  and a by-the-book conflict."  She                                                               
related  that  she  attended  that  board  meeting,  and  someone                                                               
directly  tied  to the  Board  of  Fisheries  told her  during  a                                                               
conversation  that he/she  couldn't understand  why they  were in                                                               
Kodiak because  the decisions  had already been  made and  it was                                                               
just a trip over.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES requested  Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort's opinion                                                               
on  whether shifting  the management  of  the Chignik  area to  a                                                               
mixed stock  fishery would  allow a  more accurate  accounting of                                                               
the brood  table for sockeye  in the Chignik system,  and thereby                                                               
help management rebuild the Chignik runs.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT responded:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     No, probably  not, at least not  initially, it depends.                                                                    
     The two  sockeye runs that  are Of primary  concern are                                                                    
     the  two sockeye  runs that  go into  Chignik Lake  and                                                                    
     into Black  Lake.  Both  of those  genetically distinct                                                                    
     populations have been really  struggling. ... There are                                                                    
     coho that  come through there  as well, and  then there                                                                    
     are   surrounding  humpy   streams  that   supply  pink                                                                    
     opportunities,  pink  and  chum opportunities  to  that                                                                    
     fishery  as well,  I believe.   I'm  not sure  that ...                                                                    
     switching it over  to a mixed stock  fishery would help                                                                    
     address  the  sockeye  issue.   But  I'd  certainly  be                                                                    
     interested in  having that conversation  evaluating ...                                                                    
     any recommendations from the department on that front.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:03:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ORTIZ  asked whether Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort recalls                                                               
seeing a letter  from the Area M Seiners Association  out of Sand                                                               
Point, Alaska.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT answered she  has not had the opportunity to                                                               
review  all of  the significant  numbers of  public comment  that                                                               
have come  through since last night  and this morning.   She said                                                               
she was  focused on  preparing her comments  and making  sure she                                                               
was prepared to address questions.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ORTIZ  read three  lines from  the Area  M Seiners                                                               
Association  letter signed  by Kiley  Thompson, President,  which                                                               
state:  "During  her time on the Board, Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort has                                                               
significantly  leaned towards  the sport  fish sector.   She  has                                                               
voted against proposals that  could benefit commercial fisherman.                                                               
In 2019,  she voted to  support proposals that  solely benefitted                                                               
Chignik commercial fishermen."   He asked whether Ms. Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort would say this is accurate or false.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARLSON-VAN DORT  replied  that  it is  not  accurate.   She                                                               
agreed she  did vote  for a  proposal related  to the  Cape Igvak                                                               
Salmon  Management Plan,  as was  previously discussed.   It  did                                                               
absolutely benefit  Chignik fishermen, she continued,  and was an                                                               
allocative decision.  However, she  noted, she did vote against a                                                               
Chignik  plan that  was submitted  in what  she believes  was the                                                               
statewide crab  meeting.   So, it is  not entirely  accurate, she                                                               
stated.   In terms of the  sport fishing interests, she  said she                                                               
is  interested in  making sure  that struggling  fish populations                                                               
are appropriately  conserved.  By and  large in the state,  it is                                                               
king/Chinook salmon  issues that are going  to be looked at.   So                                                               
no, that statement is not entirely accurate, she said.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:05:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  asked whether  Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort knows                                                               
how many of the Far West people have sport fishing licenses.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN  DORT responded  she could  not venture  a guess,                                                               
probably not too many, but she has no idea.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE  recalled  the  earlier  discussion  about                                                               
perhaps a conflict of interest  because some Far West corporation                                                               
[people] have  commercial fishing  permits.   He said  he assumes                                                               
some of those  Far West corporation people  also have subsistence                                                               
permits from  ADF&G, and  some probably  also have  sport fishing                                                               
licenses.   He inquired  whether Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort  would say                                                               
that she should recuse herself  from any board decisions or board                                                               
deliberations  because,  or  based  on,  the  possible  financial                                                               
implications  of having  a sport  fishing license  or subsistence                                                               
permit as well.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARLSON-VAN   DORT  answered  that  each   of  those  ethics                                                               
determinations, and determinations of whether  there is or is not                                                               
a  conflict,  is  done  on   a  case-by-case  basis  and  on  the                                                               
situational information.   She said  it gets  really complicated,                                                               
and the  Ethics Act  is crafted  the way  it is  because Alaskans                                                               
have  so many  ties to  each other.   Certainly,  a determination                                                               
must be made  about whether or not a conflict  exists and how big                                                               
the pool  is.  For example,  to deem it a  financial interest, is                                                               
the threshold 100  shareholders, or 500, or 1,000?   All of those                                                               
things with all of the information  come to bear when making that                                                               
decision.    It really  is  done  on  a case-by-case  basis,  she                                                               
reiterated, so she would be hard pressed to answer that.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE recalled that  the Chignik fishery that Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van Dort  voted on had a  vote of 4-1.   He surmised that                                                               
if she changed her vote, then it would have been 3-2, not 3-1.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES interjected  no, not  if [Ms.  Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort] had recused herself.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE responded  that  now he  understands.   He                                                               
noted  that Chignik  has suffered  a huge  failure.   He inquired                                                               
whether Ms. Carlson-Van Dort thinks  her vote was right and would                                                               
she make  the same  vote today  to protect  the fish  knowing the                                                               
opposition she was  going to get from the  Kodiak fisherman, UFA,                                                               
and others.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT answered yes.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:09:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE asked what  Ms. Carlson-Van Dort believes is                                                               
a solution to addressing the king salmon returns.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT replied that  king salmon return is going to                                                               
be  one of  the greatest  challenges  that will  come before  the                                                               
board and  the department in  the future.   It is  something with                                                               
which  the Kenai  is  very  familiar, she  stated,  but she  sees                                                               
evidence of  struggling Chinook salmon  runs all over  the state.                                                               
The challenge particularly  is how to conserve  those king salmon                                                               
but also allow  opportunity to harvest on the  other mixed stocks                                                               
that may be  passing through at the same time.   It is incredibly                                                               
challenging and very difficult, and the  board is in a tight spot                                                               
to balance  those king runs  and providing that opportunity.   It                                                               
is  going  to be  a  collective  effort between  the  department,                                                               
between the board, and also between  the fishermen.  She said she                                                               
appreciates   the  proactivity   of   some   of  the   fishermen,                                                               
particularly those  on the  Kenai who  are innovating  with their                                                               
gear and harvest  method to reduce their take of  king salmon and                                                               
be more  targeted in  their efforts to  prosecute on  the sockeye                                                               
salmon that  are passing through.   It is an  opportunity missed,                                                               
she continued,  but it's  a very  difficult decision  to restrict                                                               
that  opportunity  on  the  sockeye   in  the  interest  of  king                                                               
conservation.   That is a place  she would like to  focus some of                                                               
her interests if she is reconfirmed to the board, she stated.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  noted some people feel  the hatcheries have                                                               
something  to do  with  the aforementioned.    She requested  the                                                               
appointee's  thoughts  on  the sustainability  and  longevity  of                                                               
Alaska's hatcheries  in regard to  king salmon as well  as salmon                                                               
hatcheries overall.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CARLSON-VAN DORT  responded that  she thinks  the hatcheries                                                               
are really important  and have done incredible  work in providing                                                               
additional opportunity for mostly  commercial fishermen, but also                                                               
sport  fishermen  since  there  are sport  fish  hatcheries  too.                                                               
However,  she cautiously  said,  the environment  is changing  so                                                               
much, and a lot of fish  are being released into the environment,                                                               
and she doesn't  think the science has been done  or it isn't yet                                                               
understood  what the  implications are  of doing  that.   She has                                                               
read arguments on  both sides regarding the  potential impacts of                                                               
the large volumes  of hatchery fish that are  being released into                                                               
the  North Pacific.   So,  she continued,  she cannot  answer the                                                               
question, but  she can say it's  important and she would  like to                                                               
see  some type  of partnership  with either  academia or  federal                                                               
fisheries  managers to  try to  get a  better sense  of what  the                                                               
scientific  data might  show with  relationship  to the  hatchery                                                               
productions and their effects on wild stocks.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  expressed appreciation for  the appointee's                                                               
thoughtful  response,  and said  there's  a  lot of  inconclusive                                                               
data, but that is one of the top issues.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:13:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES asked whether there  has been any change in                                                               
the Chignik fishery since the changes were implemented.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT  answered she doesn't know, but  she can say                                                               
they  struggled again  last  year, and  she  doesn't believe  the                                                               
minimum escapement goals were met last year either.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES inquired whether  there has been any effort                                                               
to determine what the etiology problem really is in that area.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT replied she sure hopes so.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:13:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN related that a  saying she heard when first                                                               
running for office was that it  is always more challenging to get                                                               
elected for  a second term  because there are now  specific votes                                                               
or issues to  which people turn.  With that  said, there has been                                                               
criticism of very  specific actions.  She  requested Ms. Carlson-                                                               
Van Dort to reprise the part  of her opening statement of why she                                                               
is interested in continuing to serve on the Board of Fisheries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN  DORT responded she  is interested  in continuing                                                               
to serve primarily for many  of the reasons discussed during this                                                               
meeting today.   The environment and the ocean  are changing, she                                                               
said.  Those changes aren't  fully understood, and the science is                                                               
not yet  had to  support explanations for  all of  those changes.                                                               
However, she continued, it is  known that things are changing and                                                               
so [the board] needs to  conservatively manage and make sure that                                                               
its management policies  are responding to those  changes as best                                                               
they can with  the data available.  Data is  incomplete, and in a                                                               
perfect scenario  there would be  lots of funding to  conduct all                                                               
the scientific studies needed to  inform board decisions.  As Mr.                                                               
Jensen said, the  board would be able to fly  out and visit those                                                               
fisheries, get  to know  them more intimately,  see how  they are                                                               
prosecuted, and get to know the  nuances; but it is impossible at                                                               
this point.   So,  she stated,  the board  is tasked  with making                                                               
very difficult  allocative decisions based on  the best available                                                               
information and  best available  science before  it at  the time.                                                               
She expressed  her hope that  that will  change.  The  board does                                                               
its best,  she added, and  she does  her best to  bring fairness,                                                               
balance, and integrity to her decisions on the board.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:16:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CRONK  thanked  Ms.   Carlson-Van  Dort  for  her                                                               
openness at  the beginning in  addressing some of the  issues and                                                               
bringing them to  the forefront.  He noted that  the Copper River                                                               
and Yukon  River are in his  district, and for his  district that                                                               
is primarily  food.   There is commercial  fishing on  the Copper                                                               
River, but  some of the  lower villages haven't really  been able                                                               
to participate  much in that.   These  two rivers interest  him a                                                               
lot because  it comes  down to  the question  of putting  food in                                                               
people's freezers,  so if  Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort is  confirmed he                                                               
looks forward  to working  with her in  addressing the  issues at                                                               
hand on those two rivers.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:17:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PATKOTAK  stated that  a couple things  come to  mind after                                                               
listening  to the  back and  forth and  his not  having any  real                                                               
exposure  to the  commercial fishing  industry.   He said  he has                                                               
been a  part of  village politics, and  folks call  into question                                                               
[his] decision-making,  and sometimes  [he] has to  explain [his]                                                               
frame of thought.  He has  always relied on being transparent and                                                               
honest  and not  looking after  some  personal gain  in any  way.                                                               
Based  on today's  discussion and  back-and-forth it  seems there                                                               
has been a question of integrity  and transparency.  From what he                                                               
understands,  he continued,  Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort has  disclosed                                                               
any potential  conflicts through  the Department  of Law  and the                                                               
board chairman, yet  she still needs to represent  the voice that                                                               
she was  assigned to  represent on  the Board  of Fisheries.   He                                                               
asked  whether  Ms.  Carlson-Van   Dort  can  honestly  tell  the                                                               
committees  today that  she has  maintained  those thresholds  of                                                               
integrity while going down all the rabbit holes and trails.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. CARLSON-VAN DORT answered she has  done all that she knows to                                                               
do to  make sure  she has  been honest  and transparent  with the                                                               
public.   Everybody  knows the  Board of  Fisheries process  is a                                                               
very public  and very involved  process, she stated, and  that is                                                               
what makes  it so unique and  effective in terms of  how Alaska's                                                               
common property  resources are managed.   She said she  relies on                                                               
the advice  of the Department  of Law  and the ethics  chair, and                                                               
she did  everything she  knew to  do to make  sure she  was being                                                               
fully  transparent with  the  public in  disclosing  any and  all                                                               
financial interests required under the law.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  PATKOTAK thanked  the appointee.    He noted  this is  his                                                               
first time in being involved  with the governor's appointees, but                                                               
he would  like to give  Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort kudos as  an Alaska                                                               
Native woman applying herself and "facing the fire."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:20:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committees took an at-ease from 3:20 p.m. to 3:28 p.m.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:29:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ABE WILLIAMS,  Appointee,  Board of  Fisheries, Alaska Department                                                               
of Fish  & Game (ADF&G), testified  as appointee to the  Board of                                                               
Fisheries.   He  testified  he  is a  lifelong  Alaskan born  and                                                               
raised in  King Salmon where he  lived for 39 years,  and has now                                                               
been a  resident of  Anchorage for  11 years.   He said  his past                                                               
experiences  include:   fifteen  years  as  president of  Afognak                                                               
Native  Corporation;  three years'  service  on  the Bristol  Bay                                                               
Borough Assembly; six  years' service on the  Bristol Bay Borough                                                               
School Board;  nine years' service  on the Naknek/Kvichak  Fish &                                                               
Game Advisory Committee, six of  which he served as the co-chair;                                                               
and  three years'  service on  the Bristol  Bay Regional  Seafood                                                               
Development Association (BBRSDA) board.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WILLIAMS stated  he  is  currently a  member  of the  Naknek                                                               
Native Village  Tribe, and is  presently employed as  Director of                                                               
Regional Affairs at  the Pebble Limited Partnership.   He said he                                                               
owns  and operates  a Bristol  Bay  commercial fishing  operation                                                               
alongside his three sons.  He  has been involved with the fishery                                                               
for  more than  39  years and  continues  to do  so  as a  fourth                                                               
generation  commercial fisherman  of Bristol  Bay.   He owns  and                                                               
operates  a  business  in Naknek  that  services  the  commercial                                                               
fishing industry with the help of  his family.  He and his family                                                               
enjoy the outdoors and share a  love for Alaska and the plentiful                                                               
resources that it has to offer.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WILLIAMS thanked  the members  of the  committees for  their                                                               
service to the  state.  He said he looks  forward to a productive                                                               
conversation today  and into  the future.   He  requested support                                                               
from  the members  of the  committees for  his confirmation.   In                                                               
response to Chair  Tarr, he said he was appointed  in spring 2020                                                               
and therefore has served on the board for about a year.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:31:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE thanked Mr.  Williams for participating last                                                               
year in  a Zoom  meeting that  she held with  her district.   She                                                               
related that her  district has a lot of  consternation because of                                                               
Mr. Williams's involvement  with Pebble Mine.   She asked whether                                                               
Mr. Williams has  had to declare any conflict of  interest on the                                                               
Board of Fisheries with regard to Pebble Mine.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIAMS replied no, he has not.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  noted that the Pebble  project is currently                                                               
paused.  She inquired whether  there could be times that Pebble's                                                               
interest would cross over into Board of Fisheries decisions.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIAMS  responded he doesn't  have an example of  when that                                                               
happened or  when it  could potentially happen.   He  pointed out                                                               
that there is  a process for determining a  conflict of interest.                                                               
He said  he doesn't  know that  there will be  or that  there has                                                               
been an instance where he would need to determine that conflict.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE, given  that her district has  such a direct                                                               
interest  in how  Mr. Williams  would  be able  to represent  the                                                               
Board of  Fisheries, asked whether  Mr. Williams  could reconcile                                                               
the relationship he has with the fishery and with Pebble Mine.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIAMS  answered that  because he  is Director  of Regional                                                               
Affairs  for  the Pebble  Limited  Partnership,  he engages  with                                                               
communities that  have been closely  related to the project.   He                                                               
said  he also  has  engaged  with fishermen  over  the years  and                                                               
continues to do  so.  Additionally, he has fished  in Bristol Bay                                                               
for 39  years, continues to  do so  alongside three of  his sons,                                                               
and will continue doing so until he can't handle it anymore.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE requested Mr.  Williams to elaborate on what                                                               
it looks  like to be  Director of  Regional Affairs in  regard to                                                               
the  communities in  Bristol Bay.   For  example, she  continued,                                                               
what the  direct activities  are, what the  purpose is,  and what                                                               
the hoped-for outcome is in that position.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WILLIAMS  replied  he works  with  tribal  entities,  Native                                                               
corporations,  contractors,  and   maintains  relationships  with                                                               
those that have worked closely or  around the project itself.  He                                                               
has  also participated  in  forums where  the  opposition is  the                                                               
focal point.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  noted Mr. Williams  has been a  Bristol Bay                                                               
fisherman for  many years.   As far  as the board's  balance, she                                                               
stated, the board needs a  coastal fisherman to represent coastal                                                               
communities.  But, she continued,  there is much consternation as                                                               
to whether  Mr. Williams would  put the interest of  Pebble above                                                               
the  fishery in  serving on  the board.   She  asked whether  Mr.                                                               
Williams would be able to  objectively focus on the fishery alone                                                               
when serving in this capacity.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIAMS responded, "Absolutely."   He stated he doesn't know                                                               
that there would ever be an  instance where this board would take                                                               
up anything  that pertains  to the  Pebble project.   He  said he                                                               
believes the state  has processes in place that  will address the                                                               
project if deemed necessary.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:36:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  noted that before becoming  a board member                                                               
Mr.  Williams  was  involved  in  advocating  for  and/or  making                                                               
proposals before  the Board of  Fisheries for permit  stacking in                                                               
Bristol Bay fisheries.  She  asked whether Mr. Williams would, as                                                               
a member of the board, continue to advocate for permit stacking.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIAMS  answered that he  doesn't know whether he  would be                                                               
allowed to  do so  as far as  ethics are concerned.   He  said he                                                               
believes there is a certain need for conversation like that.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  requested Mr. Williams to  clarify whether                                                               
"conversation" is in regard to permit stacking or conflicts.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIAMS  replied that  the conflict  process is  very sound,                                                               
and  it  would determine  whether  he  could participate  in  any                                                               
proposal that was  deemed potentially a conflict  of interest for                                                               
him.  He  said permit stacking has been discussed  for many years                                                               
and while  looking at advancing  something of that nature  he has                                                               
spoken  with many  fishermen and  many folks  in the  region that                                                               
support permit  stacking.  To  say there is  clearly overwhelming                                                               
support or  overwhelming opposition  to it isn't  that easy.   He                                                               
explained  that the  topic came  about  during the  mid to  early                                                               
2000s when  the price for  sockeye was  39-40 cents a  pound, and                                                               
people were  leaving the  fishery and  selling their  permits for                                                               
$20,000  each.    Records  at   the  Commercial  Fisheries  Entry                                                               
Commission  (CFEC) show  a drastic  loss in  permit ownership  in                                                               
rural  communities  like  Naknek,  Dillingham,  Egegik,  and  the                                                               
Iliamna Lake region.  Those are  things that stick in his mind as                                                               
to how to maintain local participation  in the fishery and at the                                                               
same  time how  to achieve  optimum numbers  for the  Bristol Bay                                                               
fishery.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  inquired whether  Mr. Williams has  had to                                                               
conflict out  of proposals during his  year on the board  and, if                                                               
so, how frequently.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIAMS  responded that he  has not  had to conflict  out of                                                               
proposals in  the most recent  months.   He pointed out  that the                                                               
[COVID] pandemic  has really  put constraints  on the  ability of                                                               
the Board of Fisheries to meet and deal with proposals.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:40:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE noted that  Mr. Williams lives in Anchorage                                                               
but fishes in  Bristol Bay.  He asked how  much time Mr. Williams                                                               
spends in Bristol Bay.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIAMS answered  that he would typically be  out there now,                                                               
but for the late breakup and  winter continuing.  He said he goes                                                               
out there  in April and  returns to  Anchorage the first  week of                                                               
August.   He  and his  sons then  go back  out for  moose hunting                                                               
season in September and they are home by October.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  related that  he has a  relative who  is a                                                               
limit  seiner in  the region.   The  relative does  virtually the                                                               
same thing,  except the  relative lives  on the  Kenai Peninsula.                                                               
But he considers  himself a coastal resident of Bristol  Bay.  He                                                               
asked whether  Mr. Williams  spends so much  time in  the Bristol                                                               
Bay area that he considers himself a resident.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIAMS replied he does consider  himself as a resident.  He                                                               
said many of  the folks he sees out there  say he probably spends                                                               
more time  out there  now than when  he claimed  residency there.                                                               
Ultimately, he  does have close  to his heart the  residency that                                                               
he's grown  to know out  there, and at the  same time he  is very                                                               
happy to be a resident of Anchorage as well.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE  summarized  that Mr.  Williams  considers                                                               
himself  a resident  or semi-permanent  resident  of the  coastal                                                               
area of Bristol Bay, while also  being in the Pebble issue, which                                                               
seems as  division as the  fish issue.   He inquired  whether Mr.                                                               
Williams would ever  make a decision for Pebble  over fish, given                                                               
that his  livelihood right now  is fish  and Pebble isn't  even a                                                               
project yet.   Representative McCabe related that  there seems to                                                               
be  some  consternation  that  Mr.  Williams  has  some  sort  of                                                               
relationship  with  Pebble but  at  the  same time  everybody  is                                                               
discounting  the relationship  of  Mr. Williams  with  fish.   He                                                               
requested Mr. Williams to explain  the tension between the two in                                                               
his own mind.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIAMS  responded that throughout  all his years  living in                                                               
Naknek  and King  Salmon he  was  very active  in local,  Native,                                                               
community, and  school board politics.   He stated  that watching                                                               
the issues  in the communities  is what  prompted him to  look at                                                               
Pebble from  a different  perspective.  It  would have  been easy                                                               
for him as  a fisherman to say no, absolutely  not, and he thinks                                                               
that's where  the angst from  some of his colleagues  comes from.                                                               
But, he  continued, he has a  certain respect and a  love for the                                                               
communities of  Bristol Bay  to be  the type  of person  who sits                                                               
down and  looks at a project  like this for the  potential it has                                                               
in a region like Bristol Bay.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:44:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CRONK said that in  looking at the comments on the                                                               
appointees he saw 29 that were  from out of state relating to Mr.                                                               
Williams.     He  stated  that   first  and  foremost  he   is  a                                                               
representative  of Alaska  and it  should concern  everybody that                                                               
people who  don't live in Alaska  are trying to influence  who is                                                               
put on Alaska's boards.  He  said that kind of influence concerns                                                               
him, he  doesn't appreciate those  comments, and he  wants Alaska                                                               
to be run by Alaskans.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:45:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STORY asked  Mr. Williams whether he  feels he can                                                               
make decisions  based upon scientific recommendations  and not on                                                               
regional or  sector preferences.   If so, she further  asked that                                                               
he provide an example from his year on the board.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIAMS answered yes.  He  said he has always prided himself                                                               
with  the ability  to  sit  down and  listen  to  both sides  and                                                               
maintain a  level of awareness  that would  propel him to  make a                                                               
decision  based  on  both science  and  the  factual  information                                                               
presented.   Within the limited time  he's been on the  board, he                                                               
would say that most recently the  board was grappling with how to                                                               
make  up time  for  its lost  effort  due to  the  pandemic.   He                                                               
related that each and every  board member expressed the desire to                                                               
catch  up and  get  back  on cycle  knowing  there were  concerns                                                               
within ADF&G and  others.  But, he continued,  the communities in                                                               
many ways  felt that that may  have been a little  too aggressive                                                               
and trying  to do that would  potentially disenfranchise regions.                                                               
A great deal  of comments were coming in that  were complement to                                                               
the potential  efforts there,  and the  majority of  the comments                                                               
said to push  this thing out a  year and then regain  ground in a                                                               
more  meaningful way.   He  said that's  when he  agreed, and  on                                                               
advice  from  ADF&G,  staff,  and  many  stakeholders  throughout                                                               
Alaska, the board chose to do that.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:48:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN  stated  for   the  record  that  she  has                                                               
received   dozens  of   letters  from   nonresidents  of   Alaska                                                               
advocating for the  confirmation of Mr. Williams.   While she did                                                               
not do a  tally, most of them were blanket  statements saying all                                                               
four appointees  should be  confirmed.  If  it were  a non-Alaska                                                               
address, she  just deleted  it, but  she said  she would  go back                                                               
through  the trash  to check  that it  was dozens.   She  further                                                               
stated  that a  couple hundred  emails have  been received  about                                                               
Board of Fisheries appointees, pro  and con, and it's fairly easy                                                               
to  cast  out  the  nonresidents  and then  return  to  what  the                                                               
residents of Alaska say, which has been both pro and con.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WILLIAMS commented  that in  Bristol Bay  there is  a little                                                               
over 1,800  drift permits, with  more than half of  those permits                                                               
owned by  folks in  the Lower  48.  He  said that  throughout his                                                               
years  of work  he has  never begrudged  his colleagues  from the                                                               
Lower 48;  he respected  their comments  and their  position with                                                               
regard to his  work.  However, he pointed out,  it highlights the                                                               
problem  of  permits  leaving   Alaska's  rural  communities  and                                                               
coastal  communities,  and ending  up  in  out-of-state hands  or                                                               
other places than for which one would think they were intended.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:51:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE  stated  that   in  reading  about  permit                                                               
stacking, it  sounds to  him that  the ideas  of Mr.  Williams on                                                               
permit stacking  are an attempt  to keep  permits in Alaska.   He                                                               
further stated  that this has been  seen many times -  from beach                                                               
seines  to setnet  permits to  individual fishing  quotas (IFQs).                                                               
They all  get sold and  eventually they  get sold to  people from                                                               
out-of-state, which  may or may not  be good.  It  seems it would                                                               
be better  to keep or  sell them  within a family,  he continued.                                                               
He asked whether that is what Mr. Williams was after.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WILLIAMS replied  yes, that  is part  of the  equation.   He                                                               
stated  that the  fishery in  Bristol Bay  is very  congested and                                                               
kind  of oversubscribed,  which has  been highlighted  by optimum                                                               
number studies done by ADF&G over  the years.  A multiple pronged                                                               
approach  here  would  achieve   what  Representative  McCabe  is                                                               
talking about  and at the same  time would allow for  a reduction                                                               
of  gear in  Bristol Bay  and a  more meaningful  fishery.   Many                                                               
families  that live  in  the region  either  sold or  transferred                                                               
permits out of their family because  they weren't able to hang on                                                               
to them and fish them in a more meaningful way.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:53:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN WOOD,  Appointee, Board of  Fisheries, Alaska  Department of                                                               
Fish  & Game  (ADF&G), testified  as  appointee to  the Board  of                                                               
Fisheries.   He stated  that after  fulfilling his  commitment to                                                               
the  Louisiana Legislative  Council he  moved to  Alaska in  1971                                                               
where he  has made his  home since.   Upon arriving in  Alaska he                                                               
worked  with  the  Alaska  Court  System  as  a  court  attorney,                                                               
standing  master, and  acting probate  master  before going  into                                                               
private  practice.   Now  retired, he  still  works piecemeal  on                                                               
contract with the  State of Alaska, pursuant to  which he advises                                                               
and reports directly  to the governor on  primarily labor related                                                               
issues;  nothing  relative  to  fisheries  is  involved  in  that                                                               
contract.   Regardless, at  every Board  of Fisheries  meeting he                                                               
has disclosed in  his disclosure statement the  existence of this                                                               
contract, and  the board  has never questioned  that it  does not                                                               
constitute a conflict of interest.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD said  he believes strongly in volunteering  his time and                                                               
talents  to his  community.    He has  served  in many  positions                                                               
during his 49 years in  Alaska, including being elected for three                                                               
terms for almost  10 years on the Anchorage  Assembly and serving                                                               
as  chair for  one of  those years,  active member  of the  Mount                                                               
McKinley  Lions Club,  board member  of  Greater Anchorage  Inc.,                                                               
numerous years  as board chair  of the  Matanuska-Susitna Borough                                                               
(MSB)  Animal  Control,  member  of   the  MSB  Fish  &  Wildlife                                                               
Commission  for several  years, chairman  of the  MSB Salary  and                                                               
Emoluments  Committee,  president  of   Alaska  Sled  Dog  Racing                                                               
Association,  director  of the  Montana  Creek  Dog Mushers,  and                                                               
director  and  board  member  of the  Alaska  Power  Boat  Racing                                                               
Association.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD  related that  in 2013  he worked  as staff  for Senator                                                               
Dunleavy where he  handled fishery issues.  As  such, he attended                                                               
the pertinent Board of Fisheries  sessions, but also took it upon                                                               
himself to  travel on his own  time and nickel to  actually visit                                                               
the  fishing sites  and  speak directly  with  several east  side                                                               
setnetters,  as well  as tour  two processing  facilities to  get                                                               
their  perspective.   He has  focused entirely  on the  health of                                                               
Alaska's fish  stocks and  ensuring the best  chance for  them to                                                               
flourish and  return to  their historic levels  in both  size and                                                               
numbers through  all species.   That remains his emphasis  and he                                                               
approached a  recent Board  of Fisheries cycle  with this  as his                                                               
overriding goal.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOOD specified  that since  his initial  appointment to  the                                                               
Board  of  Fisheries  he  has   continued  reaching  out  to  all                                                               
stakeholders.   He related  that on  his own  nickel and  time he                                                               
attended the   North Pacific Council Salmon  Committee  in Homer,                                                               
and while  there he met with  several seine netters as  well as a                                                               
Homer processer.   On his  return home he  spent an extra  day to                                                               
meet with three east side  setnetters about their fishery and the                                                               
legislative efforts underway to provide  a buyout system that was                                                               
being moved  by Senator Micciche.   Because their  arguments were                                                               
persuasive, at the  board meeting he spoke strongly  in favor of,                                                               
and voted for, their proposal  that provided backfill provisions,                                                               
which is a key component of  that buyback program.  Also, he took                                                               
the  opportunity  to meet  with  Roland  Maw  and others  at  the                                                               
headquarters  of United  Cook  Inlet  Drift Association  (UCIDA),                                                               
where he was given his  first opportunity to read UCIDA's federal                                                               
Ninth Circuit lawsuit  as well as listen to  their concerns being                                                               
considered at the upcoming cycle.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:58:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD  stated that  this last Board  of Fisheries  cycle dealt                                                               
with  many  contentious issues  with  strongly  held beliefs  and                                                               
convictions  by all  stakeholders  involved.   No participant  in                                                               
past  meetings  would  have predicted  what  occurred,  he  said.                                                               
Stakeholders who  had been  bitter rivals  and barely  spoke with                                                               
each  other opened  dialog and  negotiated  approaches that  each                                                               
could  live by  and preserve  their  lifestyle.   Who would  have                                                               
thought  that the  Kenai River  Sportfishing Association  (KRSA),                                                               
Kenai River Professional Guide  Association (KRPGA), and Eastside                                                               
Setnetters  would actually  work together  to create  a plan  for                                                               
that area?   They came extremely  close to a total  agreement but                                                               
fell short on one or two  of the issues.  Nonetheless, the dialog                                                               
was  open,  and  he  hopes  it continues  into  the  next  round.                                                               
Equally  amazing,  Mr. Wood  continued,  is  that the  Matanuska-                                                               
Susitna Borough  Fish and Wildlife  Commission and  the "northern                                                               
setnetters" did the same and  together succeeded in strengthening                                                               
the paired restrictions while making  them fairer.  Additionally,                                                               
as the Kodiak meeting was  winding down their advocacy group, the                                                               
Kodiak Salmon Work Group, initiated  RC 131, which reached out to                                                               
create  a study  on all  fisheries from  Unimak Island  to Prince                                                               
William  Sound,  including  Cook  Inlet, patterned  on  a  highly                                                               
successful study  conducted in  Western Alaska.   This  Kodiak RC                                                               
131 was subsequently supported by  a resolution of the Matanuska-                                                               
Susitna Borough Assembly.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD opined  that there are those who wish  to perpetuate the                                                               
fish wars  for whatever reason,  whether political,  economic, or                                                               
simply harboring old grudges.  He  said his approach was and will                                                               
continue  to be  to listen  and learn  from all  perspectives, as                                                               
well as to act as a  catalyst to bring competing parties together                                                               
in a  constructive setting and  encourage them to work  out their                                                               
differences.   The parties  will be much  better served,  and the                                                               
result will be accepted and honored  if it is their own plan that                                                               
they created.   He noted  that he went through  three legislative                                                               
hearings  last year  and participated  in Representative  Vance's                                                               
district meeting.  He asked  that his nomination be confirmed and                                                               
that the records of those three  hearings be made a record within                                                               
this hearing.   In  response to Representative  Tarr, he  said he                                                               
was appointed  to the Board of  Fisheries in spring 2019  and has                                                               
gone through one full cycle, plus this year.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:01:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES  recalled Mr. Wood's statement  that he has                                                               
a  contract  with the  administration,  reports  directly to  the                                                               
governor,  and the  contract has  nothing  related to  fisheries.                                                               
She asked whether  she is correct in understanding  that Mr. Wood                                                               
is  currently involved  in the  labor contract  with some  of the                                                               
Alaska Department of Fish & Game's employees.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD replied that the  "supervisory employees union" has some                                                               
employees in the union that are at ADF&G.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES  inquired whether  Mr. Wood  perceives that                                                               
to be a conflict in any capacity.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOOD  responded, "Absolutely  not,  I'm  at the  30,000-foot                                                               
level."   He stated  that other  than Bob Murphy,  who is  on the                                                               
negotiating team,  he wouldn't know who  in ADF&G is a  member of                                                               
that union.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES asked whether Mr.  Wood is still on the MSB                                                               
Fish & Wildlife Commission.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD answered no.   He stated that he resigned  on the day he                                                               
was appointed to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES  related  that  the MSB  Fish  &  Wildlife                                                               
Commission  met  prior  to  the Board  of  Fisheries  meeting  in                                                               
Kodiak.  Present  at the commission's meeting were  Mr. Wood, the                                                               
ADF&G  commissioner,  and  a  couple  other  Board  of  Fisheries                                                               
members.  She said she had  the opportunity to review the minutes                                                               
of  the  commission's meeting,  "and  a  portion of  the  meeting                                                               
consisted of the  anticipation of how and what you  were going to                                                               
do at the  Kodiak meeting and kind of determine  which way it was                                                               
going  to go."    She  asked whether  she  was  looking at  those                                                               
minutes with a  tainted view and whether Mr. Wood  could help her                                                               
understand it.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD replied  he doesn't have a copy of  the minutes in front                                                               
of  him and  doesn't recall  a reference  to the  Kodiak meeting.                                                               
Perhaps it took place, he  continued, but he doesn't remember it.                                                               
He  said  his purpose  in  being  at  the  meeting was  that  the                                                               
commissioner was going to update  the commission on the status of                                                               
the [Matanuska-Susitna] Valley.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES offered to provide  Mr. Wood with a copy of                                                               
the minutes, but surmised Mr. Wood might have access to them.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:04:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  stated she has  tried to not like  Mr. Wood                                                               
as a  board member because of  statements she heard a  while back                                                               
that Mr. Wood said one of his goals  was "to get fish in the Mat-                                                               
Su."    So,  automatically  that  created  a  conflict  with  the                                                               
interest of her district in the  Cook Inlet.  But, she continued,                                                               
one of  the things she looks  at in a  board member is how  he or                                                               
she interacts with all of  the stakeholders and whether the board                                                               
member is  truly fighting  for the fishery  itself.   Because she                                                               
represents all the different fishing  groups in her district, she                                                               
wants someone who can  do no harm.  She related  that she did see                                                               
Mr.  Wood  at  the  meetings  in Homer  and  he  was  interacting                                                               
directly with the different users.   She added that she has heard                                                               
how  Mr. Wood  has  been  one of  the  most  diligent members  in                                                               
seeking  everyone's input,  which she  appreciates.   Because Mr.                                                               
Wood has  continued to seek  insight from all the  different user                                                               
groups, she said  she would like his insight on  bycatch and what                                                               
the Board of  Fisheries could do to  strengthen Alaska's position                                                               
as a state for the fishery.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD responded that what  jurisdiction the Board of Fisheries                                                               
would have  on regulating in  open water is  highly questionable.                                                               
Coming up  with a bottom  line on  what is actually  happening is                                                               
needed so that  it can be dealt with accordingly.   He noted that                                                               
a  question  was  asked  earlier  about what  could  be  done  to                                                               
increase the  king salmon  returns.  He  urged the  committees to                                                               
invite Dr.  David Welch  of Kintama  Research Services  [a marine                                                               
environmental  consultancy  in   Nanaimo,  British  Columbia]  to                                                               
present his study  findings that many of the problems  are out in                                                               
the blue water and the bycatch is out in the blue water.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:06:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE remarked that bycatch  is of interest to all                                                               
stakeholders.  She asked for  Mr. Wood's opinion about what could                                                               
be a solution to sustain Alaska's king salmon runs.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD  answered that  he agrees with  the earlier  speaker who                                                               
said  it's  not  particular  to  one  region  but  is  a  problem                                                               
throughout the  state.   He related that  while at  the Anchorage                                                               
meeting, he met with Duncan Fields  of Kodiak and Dr. Robert Foy,                                                               
[Science and  Research Director of  the Alaska  Fisheries Science                                                               
Center], National Oceanic  and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).                                                               
He related that Dr. Foy  said [NOAA] had several federal research                                                               
vessels working in Alaska waters and  was in danger of losing one                                                               
to the Lower 48  because of lack of work.  So  Dr. Foy was trying                                                               
to solicit the state to join  with the [federal government] to do                                                               
research in  blue water;  the money  for the  research facilities                                                               
was already in place and Dr. Foy  had the vessels.  Mr. Wood said                                                               
he spoke  with U.S. Senator Dan  Sullivan's office to see  if the                                                               
senator could get  on board and move it  along because apparently                                                               
a word of authorization was  needed, but it never caught traction                                                               
at that level,  and he hasn't pursued it any  further.  He stated                                                               
that  the single  most  important  thing to  deal  with the  king                                                               
salmon issue is  to find out what is happening  in the blue water                                                               
and then respond  accordingly.  Every net and line  can be pulled                                                               
out of the  water and still not have any  positive results if the                                                               
problem is in the blue water, he added, and it seems to be.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  stated she  too has  heard from  NOAA about                                                               
blue water, which  is facing all fisheries, not  just king salmon                                                               
returns.    She returned  to  her  statement regarding  her  bias                                                               
against Mr. Wood based  on his stated goal to get  fish up in the                                                               
Mat-Su.  She  asked what Mr. Wood  sees as his role  on the Board                                                               
of Fisheries  and whether  he still  holds his  previously stated                                                               
goal as his primary focus.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD replied that his primary  focus is to get fish back into                                                               
all the streams, not just the  Mat-Su.  He said he doesn't recall                                                               
making  the aforementioned  statement, but  nonetheless he  looks                                                               
out  at the  resource before  he  even considers  looking at  the                                                               
allocative issues.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:10:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE  recalled  Mr. Wood  mentioning  some  new                                                               
relationships that have  developed over his tenure  on the board,                                                               
and  remarked   that  it  sounded  like   perhaps  somebody  with                                                               
interest-based  negotiating  experience  had their  hand  on  the                                                               
tiller.  He inquired whether that was Mr. Wood.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD responded,  "Yes it was and continues to  be."  He added                                                               
that he could provide other examples as well.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE thanked  Mr. Wood  and said  he hopes  Mr.                                                               
Wood will continue doing so.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:11:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  asked why Mr.  Wood's contract as  a labor                                                               
negotiations consultant  is through the governor's  office rather                                                               
than through the  [Division of Personnel and  Labor Relations] in                                                               
the Department of Administration.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOOD answered  that  it is  with both  -  the Department  of                                                               
Administration as well as the governor's office.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN inquired  whether Mr.  Wood is  the person                                                               
behind the pay cut proposal that's before the supervisory union.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOOD  replied  no,  he   simply  advises  and  monitors  the                                                               
negotiations as  they take  place and advise  the governor.   The                                                               
decision  as to  what strategy  to follow  or take  is up  to the                                                               
governor and the chief of staff.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN related  that a  criticism brought  to her                                                               
attention  is  that  Mr.  Wood  was  personal  staff  to  Senator                                                               
Dunleavy and  now has a  substantial contract with  him directly.                                                               
Even though  that isn't a  conflict of  interest in the  Board of                                                               
Fisheries  conflict out  context, she  stated, it  seems to  be a                                                               
direct hand  of the  governor on  the board.   She  requested Mr.                                                               
Wood  to  explain   that  he  isn't  there   simply  voicing  the                                                               
governor's actions but rather is  there as an objective member of                                                               
the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD  answered that that  is a  tough question to  respond to                                                               
because what he says won't be  given much credibility.  He stated                                                               
that people  who would jump  to a  conclusion such as  that don't                                                               
know either Mike Dunleavy or  John Wood.  [Governor Dunleavy], he                                                               
continued, "would  not ever put  himself in a position  of trying                                                               
to direct me  to take any course  of action on the  Board of Fish                                                               
or  anywhere else,  nor  would I  allow it."    Mr. Wood  further                                                               
stated  that the  totality of  the governor's  comments over  the                                                               
last two years has been the  sarcastic remark of, "Are you having                                                               
fun  yet?" when  the publicity  was  ongoing and,  "Do you  think                                                               
what's  being  done  at  that  Board  of  Fish  is  going  to  be                                                               
effective?" to which Mr. Wood said  he responded that he hopes so                                                               
and time will tell.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:13:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER addressed  Mr.  Wood's earlier  response                                                               
that he would like to see fish go  up a lot of the streams in the                                                               
state of  Alaska.  He offered  his assumption that it  takes fish                                                               
to  make fish  and  they're not  made  in the  ocean.   He  asked                                                               
whether that is the basis for Mr. Wood's comment.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOOD responded  correct.   Another element  that goes  along                                                               
with that,  he added, is dealing  with the habitat that  the fish                                                               
are returning to.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER requested Mr. Wood to elaborate.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD stated  that there are some changes  being made, whether                                                               
it is the introduction of northern  pike or elodea.  For example,                                                               
during the Kodiak meetings he was  told by Mr. Duncan Fields that                                                               
changes in  one of the  Chignik lakes may be  either contributing                                                               
to  or responsible  for a  lot  of the  [salmon] numbers  falling                                                               
down.  Habitat, Mr. Wood related,  is something to look at to see                                                               
if there is indeed  an issue there.  He related  that at the last                                                               
meeting he asked ADF&G to  consider designating the Chignik lakes                                                               
as  a stock  of concern  because this  designation would  require                                                               
that a  plan be put  together and the  habitat would be  part and                                                               
parcel of that plan.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER commented that he  has known Mr. Wood for                                                               
10-15  years  and  has  "never  known him  to  be  a  yes-man  to                                                               
anybody."   He said  Mr. Wood "definitely  believes what  he says                                                               
and  says what  he believes,  and  he'll tell  you how  it is  no                                                               
matter what it is."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:15:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ORTIZ  recalled Mr.  Wood's opening  comments that                                                               
he came from Louisiana, worked  primarily in the legal world once                                                               
in Alaska,  and served on  community boards.   He asked  what Mr.                                                               
Wood  thinks  is  the  primary   reason  that  Governor  Dunleavy                                                               
nominated him  to serve on  the Board  of Fisheries.   He further                                                               
inquired about what  specific experiences or past  history of Mr.                                                               
Wood's would show  the governor that he is qualified  to serve on                                                               
the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD  replied that  as staff to  Senator Dunleavy  he handled                                                               
all the  fishery issues.   In the [Matanuska-Susitna]  Valley, he                                                               
stated,  the  impact  of  the lower  fish  numbers  and  closures                                                               
directly  resulted  in most  of  the  lodges closing,  many  fish                                                               
businesses  closing, and  people in  economic distress.   He  and                                                               
Senator Dunleavy  were in daily  communication at that  time, and                                                               
it caused  frustration that  he spent  so much  time on  the fish                                                               
issue.  So, Governor Dunleavy knew  of his knowledge of the Board                                                               
of  Fisheries  process.   He  surmised  that Governor  Dunleavy's                                                               
answer  to the  question  would  most likely  be  that they  both                                                               
believe  the primary  concern is  to  get the  fish returning  in                                                               
sufficient numbers  consistently in order to  rebuild the stocks.                                                               
Once  the stocks  are rejuvenated,  he  continued, all  users/all                                                               
harvesters will then benefit, but don't  put the cart in front of                                                               
the horse.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ORTIZ asked  whether  Mr. Wood  is familiar  with                                                               
all,  some,  or  none  of   the  letters  of  opposition  to  his                                                               
nomination.   If familiar,  he requested  Mr. Wood's  response to                                                               
the statements of opposition.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD responded  he has not read all the  statements that were                                                               
put into the record as he ran out  of time this morning.  He said                                                               
he is willing  to answer any direct  question that Representative                                                               
Ortiz may have.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ORTIZ drew  attention to a letter  from the Kodiak                                                               
Seiners Association (KSA).                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD said he did read that particular letter.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ORTIZ  requested  Mr.  Wood  to  summarize  KSA's                                                               
points of opposition and provide  his response to KSA's reasoning                                                               
of opposition.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD answered that his take of  the letter is that it says he                                                               
is carrying the water for  Governor Dunleavy and KSA doesn't feel                                                               
that is something  that should be on the Board  of Fisheries, but                                                               
no specific  example was given.   He  said he doesn't  recall KSA                                                               
reaching out to talk about it.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ORTIZ  asked  what  Mr. Wood  would  say  to  the                                                               
concern in general that the  Board of Fisheries has traditionally                                                               
shown a balance between the  interests directed toward commercial                                                               
fisheries and  sports fisheries.   He  further asked  whether Mr.                                                               
Wood thinks there is an importance  to that balance and, based on                                                               
the current  list of nominees,  whether the needed  balance would                                                               
be there.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD replied  that he sees the current panel  as having three                                                               
active people  related to the  commercial fishing industry  - Mr.                                                               
Jensen, Mr.  Godfrey, and Mr. Williams;  three with noncommercial                                                               
interests  -  himself, Mr.  Payton,  and  Ms. Mitchell;  and  Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van Dort has formerly done  commercial work.  If there is                                                               
an imbalance, he continued, it  is more toward the commercial end                                                               
of things, not the other way around.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ORTIZ  reiterated his  question about  whether Mr.                                                               
Wood thinks there is an importance  to balance.  He further asked                                                               
whether Mr. Wood thinks geographics should also be considered.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WOOD responded  that  statute  addresses geographics  pretty                                                               
clearly.  There is a value  to it, he agreed, but what importance                                                               
is  placed upon  it   - there  are 60  legislators  so there  are                                                               
probably 60 different  opinions.  He said it helps  to be able to                                                               
talk to Mr.  Jensen on Southeast matters, and when  he worked for                                                               
Senator Dunleavy,  he talked several  times with  [previous board                                                               
member] Orville  Huntington regarding  subsistence issues.   Each                                                               
person brings  a different lifestyle to  it, just as he  brings a                                                               
different lifestyle to it.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:21:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE noted  that commercial  fish, sport  fish,                                                               
and subsistence fish have been  talked about, but said that maybe                                                               
things should  be a bit different.   Perhaps being wrapped  up in                                                               
one world,  such as commercial  fishing, is  the wrong way  to do                                                               
it,  he opined,  and maybe  a  wider, varied  background such  as                                                               
economics and negotiation  would bring the parties  together.  He                                                               
inquired  whether  Mr.  Wood  thinks  that  is  as  important  as                                                               
geographics or previous fishing experience.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD answered:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     To  me  it  is  of  utmost  importance  that  you  have                                                                    
     somebody  on that  body that  understands how  to bring                                                                    
     competing interests  together.   Even if you  don't end                                                                    
     up with a  final product that they all buy  off on, you                                                                    
     start a dialog.   And once that dialog  starts and they                                                                    
     build  trust  amongst  each other  the  conflicts  will                                                                    
     diminish  and the  need for  the  board to  be used  in                                                                    
     intervention  will  diminish  as   well,  and  it  will                                                                    
     benefit  the  fishery.    But if  you  don't  have  any                                                                    
     dialog, they're  just rolling the  dice as to  how many                                                                    
     of the board members they  can convince to go their way                                                                    
     and it doesn't have to be a win or lose situation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD continued his answer.   He said economics is of critical                                                               
importance  because,  by  law,  two   of  the  criteria  used  in                                                               
allocation  deal with  economics.   Right  now the  board has  no                                                               
access to an  economist and the department has  no economist, yet                                                               
two of the criteria deal specifically with that.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:26:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TARR  opened public testimony  on the appointments  of John                                                               
Jensen, McKenzie Mitchell, Marit  Carlson-Van Dort, Abe Williams,                                                               
and John Wood to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:26:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOWARD  DELO testified  in support  of the  confirmations of  all                                                               
five appointees to  the Board of Fisheries.  He  noted that he is                                                               
a former  Board of Fisheries  member.  He  said he hasn't  met or                                                               
dealt with Ms.  Mitchell or Mr. Williams in the  context of board                                                               
operations,  but  has  an  extensive  history  dealing  with  Mr.                                                               
Jensen,  a  little  bit  shorter  with Mr.  Wood,  and  then  Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van Dort,  and he was impressed  with all three.   It has                                                               
always been his  opinion that the primary interest of  a Board of                                                               
Fisheries member should be taking  care of the resource first and                                                               
then worry  about how  to allocate  it.   All five  nominees have                                                               
expressed that  interest.  The  slate of nominees  is impressive.                                                               
He urged that all five nominees be confirmed.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:28:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CLIFTON IVANOFF  testified in opposition  to the  confirmation of                                                               
Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort.  He  stated he  is a lifelong  Alaskan who                                                               
grew up  in a fishing family  and he has commercially  fished for                                                               
the last  25 years.  He  maintained that Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort is                                                               
serving  her personal  interests over  her civic  duties and  has                                                               
conducted  herself unethically.   She  has proven  she is  biased                                                               
against the  commercial fishing industry  and should  be replaced                                                               
with  a  nonbiased  open-minded  board member  and  not  a  sport                                                               
advocate pretending to be a commercial fisher supporter.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:29:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARCI NELSON ORTH testified in  opposition to the confirmation of                                                               
Ms.  Carlson-Van  Dort.    She  said  she  is  an  Alutiiq  woman                                                               
originally  from the  village of  Afognak and  later Port  Lions.                                                               
She  currently lives  in Wasilla  but still  has a  home in  Port                                                               
Lions.  She grew  up in a family that fished  Kodiak waters for a                                                               
livelihood for  generations prior to that  fishery being severely                                                               
stunted for Kodiak fishermen.   In the past she personally fished                                                               
as a  crewmember in the same  areas, and has deep  cultural roots                                                               
with  fishing   as  not   only  her   livelihood  but   also  her                                                               
subsistence.   Based on information gleaned  throughout this past                                                               
year,  her opinion  is that  Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort should  not be                                                               
confirmed   and   should   be  replaced   with   an   open-minded                                                               
representative  who  will  self-conflict   out  of  proposals  if                                                               
necessary, and will truly advocate  for all fishermen's interests                                                               
in the state of Alaska.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:30:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GREG JOHNSON, testified in opposition  to the confirmation of Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van Dort.   He stated he  was at the last  board cycle in                                                               
Kodiak and was amazed at  Ms. Carlson-Van Dort's obvious conflict                                                               
with her roots  in Chignik.  He couldn't believe  she was allowed                                                               
to sit  on the board and  be involved in such  big decisions that                                                               
were happening to  the [Kodiak] fishery.  Mr. Wood  tried to find                                                               
solutions to problems and work  with people, whereas Ms. Carlson-                                                               
Van Dort  was the only one  who didn't see the  conflict with own                                                               
self.   She didn't know  how many  people were fishing  there and                                                               
she didn't have  any answers to the questions that  were asked of                                                               
her.   He  opposed her  confirmation based  on how  she conducted                                                               
herself at  that meeting.   The board  needs people who  can find                                                               
solutions for  what is going on  in Chignik.  There  are problems                                                               
with the lake, it isn't  everybody catching their fish; there are                                                               
no fish to catch because there are problems with that system.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:32:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHUCK MCCALLUM testified  in support of the  confirmations of Ms.                                                               
Mitchell, Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort, and Mr.  Wood.  He said  he is a                                                               
retired  fisherman  from  Chignik,  now  residing  in  Anchorage.                                                               
Having participated  in Board of  Fisheries meetings for  over 30                                                               
years, he  has observed many  board members over that  time span.                                                               
Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort consistently  engages with  stakeholders in                                                               
an  effort to  establish  middle ground  and identify  negotiated                                                               
solutions  to  regulatory  challenges.     That  some  commercial                                                               
stakeholders are unwilling to compromise  should not minimize her                                                               
efforts  to  achieve  consensus   in  an  increasingly  polarized                                                               
process.  Mr.  Wood has demonstrated an  extraordinary ability to                                                               
listen  and understand  all sides  of complicated  issues and  to                                                               
work  for reasonable  and equitable  management compromises.   He                                                               
also brings  an independent  point of  view and  keen discernment                                                               
skills.    The board  needs  intelligent,  perceptive, and  fair-                                                               
minded individuals like Mr. Wood.   Both Ms. Carlson-Van Dort and                                                               
Mr. Wood  have shown  a willingness to  listen, be  thoughtful in                                                               
deliberation, and committed to working  towards fair decisions on                                                               
challenging issues.   Ms. Mitchell has served on  the board since                                                               
July  1, 2020.    She  has limited  experience  in  the Board  of                                                               
Fisheries process, but she has  made an effort to educate herself                                                               
in the last  year and presents herself as a  fair and open-minded                                                               
person.  She has the makings of a good board member.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:34:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TIMOTHY GERVAIS spoke to  the conversation between Representative                                                               
Stutes  and  Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort  regarding  the  January  2020                                                               
Kodiak Board of  Fisheries decisions.  He stated  that Cape Igvak                                                               
fishing didn't  come into  effect at  all in  2020.   The sockeye                                                               
escapement at  the Chignik weir  was so  low that even  under the                                                               
old  regulations  the  Cape  Igvak  fishery  wouldn't  have  been                                                               
opened.   To  date, there  has been  no economic  loss to  Kodiak                                                               
permit  holders due  to the  2020 Cape  Igvak Board  of Fisheries                                                               
decisions.   In regard to  the confirmation of Mr.  Williams, Mr.                                                               
Gervais related  that in a  number of  public forums he  has read                                                               
and  heard  the position  and  opinion  of  Mr. Williams  on  the                                                               
Bristol  Bay salmon  fishery and  Bristol Bay  fish habitat.   He                                                               
said  the  positions of  Mr.  Williams  have been  against  fish,                                                               
against fisheries,  against fishery habitat, against  the Bristol                                                               
Bay  commercial  fleet,  against  the  subsistence  economy,  and                                                               
against sport fishing.  He regards  Mr. Williams as a shill and a                                                               
promoter for  the Pebble  Partnership.   The relationship  of Mr.                                                               
Williams  with  the Pebble  Partnership  creates  a bias  against                                                               
healthy fisheries and against sustainability.   He urged that the                                                               
committees not forward the confirmation  of Mr. Williams and that                                                               
the legislature not approve the appointment of Mr. Williams.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:36:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NORRIS  JOHNSON testified  in opposition  to the  confirmation of                                                               
Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort.  He  said he  has been a  Kodiak fisherman                                                               
all his life.   Mr. Johnson said that in  the last Kodiak meeting                                                               
John Jensen voted against the  seaward zone change for Kodiak and                                                               
testified  that he  knew  he  was speaking  to  deaf  ears.   Mr.                                                               
Johnson further  said that  the "corrupted  position" of  some of                                                               
the  new board  members was  clear, specifically  Ms. Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort.  He continued:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Ms. Carlson  had so much  special interest,  in regards                                                                    
     to  Chignik,  it  was obvious  that  she  shouldn't  be                                                                    
     voting on that proposal.   If her uncle hadn't sold his                                                                    
     Chignik  permit  two  weeks before  that  meeting,  she                                                                    
     would not  have been allowed  to vote on  the proposal.                                                                    
     While  her uncle  selling [his]  permit  made her  vote                                                                    
     legal, it did  not change her special  interest.  This,                                                                    
     along with  the fact that  Ms. Carlson is  president of                                                                    
     the Chignik village corporation,  shows how much she is                                                                    
     invested into one specific fishing  area and she should                                                                    
     have  removed herself  from  voting  on that  proposal.                                                                    
     Her bias is further emphasized  by a slip of her tongue                                                                    
     at  the Kodiak  meeting when  on record  she said  "we"                                                                    
     instead of  "I," indicating that  she and  Chignik were                                                                    
     one party instead of herself  singularly.  I think that                                                                    
     that  was  poor judgment  on  her  part to  not  remove                                                                    
     herself  from that  decision and  that that  means that                                                                    
     she  shouldn't  be qualified  to  serve  on the  Alaska                                                                    
     Board of Fish.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSON addressed  an earlier  conversation regarding  there                                                               
being three  board members for  other areas who could  have voted                                                               
against Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort.   He  stated that  two out  of the                                                               
three didn't  vote -- one left  early and the other  one couldn't                                                               
vote  because he  had a  conflict of  interest for  Kodiak.   The                                                               
proposals  implemented on  Kodiak  were not  protecting the  fish                                                               
because there  was already  a plan  in place  for that,  he said.                                                               
Sustainability and making the runs come  back is up to ADF&G, not                                                               
the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:38:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRANCES  LEACH, Executive  Director, United  Fishermen of  Alaska                                                               
(UFA),  testified  in  opposition  to  the  confirmation  of  Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van  Dort.   She noted  that United  Fishermen of  Alaska                                                               
(UFA)  is a  statewide  commercial fishing  organization with  37                                                               
fishing  member  groups specializing  in  the  best interest  and                                                               
advocacy for commercial fishermen in the  state.  She said UFA is                                                               
aware  that the  Board of  Fisheries has  no designated  seats in                                                               
statute, but  UFA also  knows that each  board member  comes with                                                               
his or her  own expertise or background in  fisheries or science.                                                               
Every user group knows what side  of the fence each member of the                                                               
Board of  Fisheries sits on.   In this case, regardless  of which                                                               
seat she represents, Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort is an advocate for the                                                               
sport fish  sector.  Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort's voting  record shows                                                               
that  she  leans  pro-sport  and  is  biased  against  commercial                                                               
fishing  proposals  unless   they  benefit  Chignik's  commercial                                                               
interests.  Alaska's  people and resources cannot  afford to have                                                               
biased  board members  who are  willing to  hurt user  groups and                                                               
resources for  the benefit of  their own interests.   The balance                                                               
issues  on the  Board of  Fisheries must  be fixed  so that  user                                                               
groups will  stop fighting this  ridiculous war over who  gets to                                                               
manage  Alaska's  fishery  resources.    Until  this  deep-rooted                                                               
imbalance  is fixed,  individuals  who openly  wear their  biased                                                               
positions should not be appointed.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:40:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUSAN  DOHERTY,  Executive  Director,  Southeast  Alaska  Seiners                                                               
Association (SEAS),  in regard to the  Commercial Fisheries Entry                                                               
Commission (CFEC),  pointed out that these  commissioners are not                                                               
like other  commissioners in  the state's system.   She  said the                                                               
CFEC department, and  its commissioners are fully  funded by fees                                                               
commercial fishermen  pay for their  licenses.  A  postage stamp-                                                               
sized  department,  the CFEC  is  responsible  for ensuring  that                                                               
fishermen  have  every  opportunity to  prosecute  their  fishery                                                               
without  glitches to  their annual  permit renewal  or transfers.                                                               
This requires prompt and oftentimes  compassionate help from CFEC                                                               
staff  to deal  with a  myriad of  individual hardships  that may                                                               
occur.  The  CFEC has only two commissioners  who oftentimes have                                                               
to  roll  up   their  sleeves  and  help  staff.     The  current                                                               
commissioner's term  will expire in  one year, and if  history is                                                               
any indication,  she will  not be reappointed.   That  will leave                                                               
the CFEC  with a commissioner at  the helm with one  year of very                                                               
limited knowledge  and experience.   The CFEC has  two attorneys,                                                               
one  is a  hearing officer  and the  other is  a law  specialist.                                                               
During questioning, the appointee  didn't seem to understand that                                                               
the  hearing  officer breaks  the  tie  for  cases when  the  two                                                               
commissioners  disagree.   This does  not negate  the appointee's                                                               
need to  understand and be  able to come  to a legal  decision on                                                               
his  own.    Ms.  Doherty  said SEAS  is  disappointed  that  the                                                               
administration didn't  reach out to identify  candidates that are                                                               
already  highly qualified  instead  of  spending the  fishermen's                                                               
hard-earned  dollars  and  the  remaining  time  of  the  current                                                               
commissioner on  training and  educating the  second commissioner                                                               
instead of doing  the work that could be done  this year.  Making                                                               
Mr. Smith  the chair  adds insult  to injury.   She  implored the                                                               
committees to  demand an  appointee that  is highly  qualified at                                                               
the time  of hire  so as  to not  jeopardize this  very important                                                               
commission.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. DOHERTY,  in regard  to the Board  of Fisheries,  offered the                                                               
support of  SEAS for the confirmation  of Mr. Jensen.   She noted                                                               
Mr. Jensen has  served since 2003 and has a  wealth of knowledge.                                                               
Continuity is  desperately needed  on the board,  she added.   In                                                               
regard  to  Marit Carlson-Van  Dort,  she  stated that  when  the                                                               
governor  submitted Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort's  name he  highlighted                                                               
her  experience  as  a commercial  fisher  as  justification  for                                                               
appointment to add  balance to the board.   While Ms. Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort  has  reached out  to  user  groups  prior to  the  official                                                               
meetings, it's  imperative that  all user  groups have  access to                                                               
the board while information is  given during public testimony and                                                               
dialog at  the Committee  of the  Whole and  during breaks.   Ms.                                                               
Doherty said  this is where  people are speaking from  that there                                                               
was  no access  to Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort  and that  her mind  was                                                               
already  made up.    Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort's  efforts to  educate                                                               
herself  prior   to  the  meetings  are   appreciated,  but  that                                                               
relationship is  only the beginning.   In regard to  Ms. Carlson-                                                               
Van Dort's comments that she  satisfied everything required under                                                               
the law  about conflict of  interest, Ms. Doherty said  that that                                                               
does not  speak to  transparency and humbling  one's self  to the                                                               
people a board member has agreed to serve.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:46:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BEN   MOHR,   Executive   Director,  Kenai   River   Sportfishing                                                               
Association (KRSA), testified in  support of the confirmations of                                                               
all  five appointees  to the  Board of  Fisheries.   He explained                                                               
that KRSA  is a  charitable nonprofit  dedicated to  ensuring the                                                               
sustainability  of  the  world's premier  sport  fishing  region,                                                               
which is  Alaska.  He  said KRSA  believes a balance  between all                                                               
user groups  provides the best management  of Alaska's fisheries,                                                               
and  these five  appointees  represent a  balance between  sport,                                                               
commercial, and  subsistence user groups.   These appointees have                                                               
demonstrated  an  understanding  that  service on  the  Board  of                                                               
Fisheries  is  a  public  trust  responsibility  and  that  their                                                               
decisions  are answerable  to all  Alaskans.   The board  members                                                               
have  proven to  be accessible  to the  public, and  they provide                                                               
thoughtful  consideration  of  all  perspectives  brought  before                                                               
them.    He  said  Chair  Carlson-Van Dort  has  been  a  welcome                                                               
presence  on the  board.   Her  decision-making  has indicated  a                                                               
preference  for  accuracy and  precision  in  management and  for                                                               
ensuring  long-term sustainability  of Alaska's  fisheries.   Mr.                                                               
Wood's hallmark at the Upper  Cook Inlet meeting was to encourage                                                               
collaboration  between stakeholders,  and constantly  encouraging                                                               
different sectors to work together  to reach the board's ultimate                                                               
goal of  conserving and developing Alaska's  fisheries resources.                                                               
Mr. Jensen  has served  Alaska with  distinction for  many years.                                                               
His experience and knowledge of  Alaska's fisheries sectors is an                                                               
asset to the state.   Ms. Mitchell brings to the  board a new and                                                               
fresh  perspective and  her position  as an  economist will  help                                                               
influence the decision making process  of the board when it comes                                                               
to  the board's  core goals.   Mr.  Williams has  been an  active                                                               
participant in the Bristol Bay  commercial fishery for the better                                                               
part of 30  years, and has often been one  of the most successful                                                               
fishermen in the district.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:49:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LORENA  SKONBERG,  Acting   Chair,  Ouzinkie  Native  Corporation                                                               
(ONC),  testified  in  opposition  to  the  confirmation  of  Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van  Dort.     She  stated   that  the   Ouzinkie  Native                                                               
Corporation has worked  with the Board of  Fisheries for decades,                                                               
and in  doing so at  the board's  January 2020 meeting  in Kodiak                                                               
ONC  found Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort's  actions offensive  and wrong,                                                               
the  details  of which  were  submitted  [to the  committees]  in                                                               
writing yesterday.  The Ouzinkie  Native Corporation supports the                                                               
Board  of  Fisheries  process with  the  expectation  that  board                                                               
members will use  their knowledge and experience  to evaluate and                                                               
make decisions  on conflicts and difficult  fishery issues, being                                                               
unbiased,  open  minded,  and not  having  economic  or  personal                                                               
conflicts  of interest.   By  her actions  and interactions  with                                                               
stakeholders, Ms. Carlson-Van Dort  has demonstrated that she has                                                               
a strong bias, has personal  conflicts of interest, and has shown                                                               
little interest in better understanding complex fishery issues.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:51:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ERNIE  WEISS testified  in  support of  the  confirmation of  Mr.                                                               
Jensen.   Mr. Weiss noted  that he is  a member of  the Anchorage                                                               
Fish &  Game Advisory Committee,  but qualified that today  he is                                                               
speaking on behalf of himself.   He emphasized that Mr. Jensen is                                                               
effective in interacting with stakeholders  and in general public                                                               
outreach.  Mr.  Jensen has the experience and the  ability to get                                                               
work done  on the board and  has a perspective that  is needed on                                                               
the board as a long-time board  member, as a lifelong Alaskan and                                                               
fisherman,  and his  experience on  other management  bodies like                                                               
the North  Pacific Fishery  Management Council.   Above  all, Mr.                                                               
Jensen is  fair and will  continue to work with  all stakeholders                                                               
for  the best  fishery management  decisions for  the people  and                                                               
fishery resources of the state.   He offered his appreciation for                                                               
Mr. Jensen's willingness to serve one more term.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:52:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MOLLY MILLER testified  in opposition to the  confirmation of Mr.                                                               
Williams.  She stated she was  born and raised in Kodiak, got her                                                               
start in commercial  fishing on her father's boat  in Kodiak, and                                                               
is currently a  permit holder in Bristol Bay.   She expressed her                                                               
belief that  the connection  of Mr. Williams  to the  Pebble Mine                                                               
constitutes a  conflict of  interest with being  on the  Board of                                                               
Fisheries.   She stated that it  shows Mr. Williams does  not put                                                               
the  resource  first,  nor  the fishery  first.    The  potential                                                               
impacts  of  the Pebble  Mine  on  the  Bristol Bay  fishery  are                                                               
devastating,  she added.   She  expressed her  concern about  the                                                               
lack of  representation of coastal communities  within this group                                                               
of appointees and urged that  members of the committees keep this                                                               
in mind when considering the appointees.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:53:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NATE   ROSE,  President,   Kodiak   Seiners  Association   (KSA),                                                               
testified in  opposition to the  confirmation of  Ms. Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort.   He  said  KSA  represents over  100  active seine  permit                                                               
holders in  the Kodiak area, as  well as a number  of crewmembers                                                               
and local  area businesses.   He noted  that under  AS 16.05.221,                                                               
regardless  of  whether  statute  determines that  a  seat  is  a                                                               
commercial, sport,  or subsistence seat,  the fact of  the matter                                                               
is  that members  are  appointed  to the  board  with  a view  to                                                               
providing  diversity  of interests  and  points  of view  in  the                                                               
membership.  The  board is currently skewed and  the diversity of                                                               
interest,  while some  of the  individuals  have participated  in                                                               
every sector,  there is no  diversity of interests when  it comes                                                               
to the  actual votes being taken.   Regardless of her  user group                                                               
affiliation  under this  statute, Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort's  voting                                                               
record is  that she votes with  sport fish interest groups.   The                                                               
governor's appointees should provide  diversity, and Ms. Carlson-                                                               
Van Dort  cannot do that in  an unbiased manner that  doesn't put                                                               
her self-interest  and the  interest of  the Chignik  region over                                                               
sustainability of the runs.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:56:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALEXUS KWACHKA  testified in opposition  to the  confirmations of                                                               
Ms. Carlson-Van Dort  and Mr. Williams.  He said  he is a 43-year                                                               
resident of  Alaska, 34 years as  a resident of Kodiak.   A sport                                                               
fisherman,  subsistence  user,   and  commercial  fisherman,  his                                                               
household owns four limited entry  permits from Kodiak to Bristol                                                               
Bay.   He said Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort should have  recused herself                                                               
in  the Kodiak  meeting because  there was  an association  and a                                                               
bias  of opinion,  and  it was  egregious to  be  sitting in  the                                                               
audience.   People who have not  been confirmed to the  board are                                                               
making decisions  and voting;  if not  confirmed a  person should                                                               
not be voting.  In regard  to earlier comments about influence by                                                               
outsiders,  he pointed  out  that the  Pebble  Partnership is  an                                                               
outside foreign  entity that would potentially  undermine Bristol                                                               
Bay,  something  he is  worried  about.    In regard  to  earlier                                                               
comments about bycatch and blue  [water], he noted that those are                                                               
federal  waters.   Alaska has  six  voting members  on the  North                                                               
Pacific Fishery  Management Council,  which votes on  bycatch, so                                                               
that  is the  place  to  address bycatch,  given  Alaska has  the                                                               
controlling number of votes on that body.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:58:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GEORGE  PIERCE testified  in opposition  to the  confirmations of                                                               
Ms. Mitchell, Ms. Carlson-Van Dort,  and Mr. Williams.  He stated                                                               
that some of the appointees to  the Board of Fisheries are out of                                                               
touch  with  Alaska's  fishery.   There's  controversy  over  Mr.                                                               
Williams who  is Director  of Regional  Affairs for  Pebble Mine,                                                               
Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort who  is a former  director with  the Pebble                                                               
Mine, and Ms. Mitchell who is  one-sided.  The problem is special                                                               
interest   groups.     Most   of   these   nominees  are   inland                                                               
representatives; only one  is a coastal representative.   This is                                                               
a stacking of  the deck, a big  red flag, and a  joke on Alaskans                                                               
and Alaska's fish.  Fish  are a renewable resource, mining isn't.                                                               
Alaska is  a fish state  and Alaskans  are opposed to  the Pebble                                                               
Mine.   He urged  that freshmen  legislators listen  to Alaskans,                                                               
not lobbyists.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:00:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL  UMPHENOUR testified  in support  of the  confirmations of                                                               
all five appointees to the Board  of Fisheries.  He noted he used                                                               
to be  a commercial fisherman on  the Yukon [River], owns  a meat                                                               
and fish  processing plant  in Fairbanks,  served three  terms on                                                               
the  Board of  Fisheries, and  has been  a member  of the  "Yukon                                                               
River Panel  to the salmon  treaty with  Canada" since 1988.   He                                                               
offered his belief  that Ms. Carlson-Van Dort has  a great degree                                                               
of  integrity and  moral  courage.   He  stated  that the  United                                                               
Fishermen  of  Alaska  (UFA)  went  after  him  on  each  of  his                                                               
appointments using  false innuendos  and statements, just  as UFA                                                               
is doing now to Ms. Carlson-Van Dort.   To be a good board member                                                               
requires doing  research and knowing science  and Ms. Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort does that.   Ms. Mitchell is new and while  in college was a                                                               
student  of one  of his  daughters  at the  University of  Alaska                                                               
Fairbanks (UAF).  He urged members  of the committees to go along                                                               
with  what the  actual  record  says, not  what  UFA  says.   Her                                                               
decisions on  Upper Cook Inlet  were based on conservation.   The                                                               
Board of  Fisheries did the same  thing when he was  on the board                                                               
and after  he got off  the board  Mr. Jensen and  others reversed                                                               
it.   Now it  has been  reversed again to  get escapement  on the                                                               
Yentna River and up the Susitna drainage.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:03:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GARY  HOLLIER  commented  in  regard  to  Ms.  Mitchell  and  Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van Dort  and testified  in support of  the confirmations                                                               
of Mr.  Jensen, Mr. Williams, and  Mr. Wood.  Mr.  Hollier stated                                                               
he is a  lifelong resident of Kenai and an  eastside setnetter in                                                               
contentious Cook  Inlet.  He  related that  he has been  to every                                                               
Upper Cook  Inlet Board of  Fisheries meeting since 1986  and has                                                               
personally interacted with  59 different board members.   To be a                                                               
good  board  member  requires being  available,  using  the  best                                                               
science available, and being fair  when allocating, which is what                                                               
the Board of Fisheries  is all about.  He said  he doesn't know a                                                               
thing  about Ms.  Mitchell  except for  her  statement that  Reed                                                               
Morisky  asked her  to  apply for  the board.    Mr. Morisky,  he                                                               
continued, was on the board for  three terms, never once voted in                                                               
a  positive   for  commercial  fishermen,  and   was  biased  and                                                               
hopefully Ms.  Mitchell isn't.   He  stated that  Ms. Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort made herself very available  at the Upper Cook Inlet meeting                                                               
in 2020;  she listened to the  science but didn't follow  it, and                                                               
while there  she never voted  for a commercial  fishing proposal.                                                               
He said  he doesn't know  a thing  about Mr. Williams,  but liked                                                               
his presentation and  therefore is in favor  of his confirmation.                                                               
He urged that  Mr. Jensen be confirmed and offered  his hope that                                                               
Mr. Jensen  would stay on the  board for five more  terms because                                                               
he  is  one  of the  best  board  members  Alaska  has had.    He                                                               
specified that he didn't know Mr.  Wood until three or four years                                                               
ago when  Mr. Wood  showed up  at his beach  site and  asked many                                                               
questions.   Mr. Wood  has tried  to solve a  lot of  problems in                                                               
Cook Inlet  and is an excellent  board member.  He  said he hopes                                                               
Mr. Wood is confirmed.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:04:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DENISE MAY  testified in  opposition to  the confirmation  of Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van Dort.   She said  she is Ag'Wanarmiut  Afognak people                                                               
from  Kodiak  Island Archipelago.    She  said she  attended  the                                                               
Kodiak meeting and  was not impressed by Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort at                                                               
that meeting, but she was impressed  by today.  It had nothing to                                                               
do  with the  vote,  it  had to  do  with  Ms. Carson-Van  Dort's                                                               
demeanor and  her ability to  sit and listen and  understand some                                                               
of the Kodiak issues  and to engage with that.   Ms. May said she                                                               
was disappointed  because she always  supports her  fellow Native                                                               
women in leadership, but she  was disappointed in Ms. Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort's  demeanor.   The  [appointees]  just  went through  a  job                                                               
interview and  people are at their  best at a job  interview, she                                                               
continued.  Look at the record  and see what Ms. Carlson-Van Dort                                                               
has  done and  see if  she has  followed the  science and  decide                                                               
based on  that because a  lot of  things were not  addressed that                                                               
Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort did and it's  not good if someone  is going                                                               
to represent  people.   No core  Native values  were seen  in Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van  Dort at  that meeting,  and while  maybe she  has on                                                               
other days "that day  was a bad day for all of  us and it divides                                                               
people and we're not about dividing people."                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:06:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHELSEA HAISMAN,  Executive Director, Cordova  District Fishermen                                                               
United  (CDFU), testified  in opposition  to the  confirmation of                                                               
Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort and in  support of the confirmation  of Mr.                                                               
Jensen.   She referenced the questions  surrounding the perceived                                                               
conflict of interest  in Ms. Carlson-Van Dort's  decisions at the                                                               
Kodiak meeting.  She said it  is critical that board members take                                                               
the time to  listen and engage with the public  regardless of the                                                               
user group  in which they participate.   It is also  critical for                                                               
board  members  to  weigh their  decisions  carefully  using  the                                                               
information presented  in written  and verbal  testimony, reports                                                               
provided  by   ADF&G,  and  during  committee   work  within  the                                                               
meetings.   Additionally, CDFU has significant  concerns that the                                                               
balance of the board has  recently deviated from historical norms                                                               
and precedents.   Coastal communities are intimately  tied to the                                                               
decisions  made  by  the  Board  of  Fisheries,  but  are  vastly                                                               
underrepresented.  The  divide between rural and  urban areas has                                                               
become  more  pronounced, and  the  balance  between user  groups                                                               
remains  heavily  weighted  toward  sport fish  interests.    She                                                               
encouraged  legislators   to  carefully  consider   the  comments                                                               
provided today  and ensure that the  balance of the board  is not                                                               
too heavily weighted toward urban,  noncoastal regions, or toward                                                               
one user  group over others.   She said CDFU supports  Mr. Jensen                                                               
given his  history on  the board  as a  fair, engaged,  and well-                                                               
rounded board member.   Mr. Jensen has been involved  in all user                                                               
groups over the last 30 years  and his experience within both the                                                               
sport  and commercial  sector makes  him an  ideal candidate  for                                                               
this position.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:08:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JULIE KAVANAUGH testified  in support of the  confirmation of Mr.                                                               
Jensen, in  opposition to the  confirmation of Mr.  Williams, and                                                               
expressed concern  about Ms. Mitchell, Ms.  Carlson Van-Dort, and                                                               
Mr. Wood.   Ms. Kavanaugh  said she  is 100 percent  dependent on                                                               
state and federal  fisheries resources.  She noted  she serves on                                                               
the  Kodiak [Fish  & Game]  Advisory  Committee to  the Board  of                                                               
Fisheries,  the  advisory  panel  to the  North  Pacific  Fishery                                                               
Management Council, the  Joint Fisheries Work Group  for the City                                                               
&  Borough  of  Kodiak,  and   as  an  elected  official  in  her                                                               
community,  but specified  that this  is her  personal testimony.                                                               
She stated she  supports the confirmation of Mr.  Jensen and said                                                               
he is a  valuable direct link and liaison to  the federal process                                                               
as  a member  of the  North Pacific  Fishery Management  Council.                                                               
She stated she opposes the confirmation of Mr. Williams.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. KAVANAUGH  stated she  is concerned  about Ms.  Mitchell, Ms.                                                               
Carlson Van-Dort, and Mr. Wood due  to their lack of regional and                                                               
stakeholder diversity and specifically  their lack of coastal and                                                               
commercial   fishing   representation,  more   specifically   the                                                               
representation  for harvesters  that utilize  fish for  consumers                                                               
via retail  stores, restaurants, and  direct sales.  There  is no                                                               
balance, she continued,  and any link that has  been expressed is                                                               
tenuous and vague.   Ms. Kavanaugh related that  she attended the                                                               
2020  Board of  Fisheries  meeting in  Kodiak,  and after  public                                                               
testimony  a  non-confirmed  member  stated, "That  was  a  great                                                               
therapeutic  exercise  for those  involved."    She said  another                                                               
member commented  that the extensive work  and reference material                                                               
presented by  the Kodiak  Fisheries Work  Group was  overdone and                                                               
too extensive, which she interpreted  to mean it was unnecessary.                                                               
She  was  told directly  prior  to  this  meeting not  to  expect                                                               
agreement when  it comes to  salmon issues  in Kodiak.   She said                                                               
that this testimony is difficult for  her and that there are many                                                               
communities  and  individuals wanting  to  testify  but they  are                                                               
concerned  with the  potential damage  to relationships  with the                                                               
decision makers that have a stranglehold on their livelihoods.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:10:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RAYMOND MAY  testified in opposition  to the confirmation  of Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van Dort.   He stated he  is a lifelong Alaskan,  a third                                                               
generation fisherman,  his grandparents came from  Afognak Island                                                               
and Kodiak Island, and he  owns multiple permits across the state                                                               
of Alaska in  multiple state fisheries.  He said  he attended the                                                               
Kodiak meetings  and believes Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort is unethical,                                                               
comes  with  a  pre-determined  judgment  on  issues,  and  is  a                                                               
difficult board member  to speak with.  He  heard Ms. Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort say she  was there to bring compromise,  but said compromise                                                               
isn't taking from one person and  giving to another, so there was                                                               
no compromise.   There are many other things he  could point out,                                                               
he continued, but he is putting  himself on the line here because                                                               
of being  a multiple permit holder  across the state and  he must                                                               
deal with whoever is  confirmed for years to come.   It was a big                                                               
step for him  to come forth and speak against  someone, he added,                                                               
but rather than representing the  state of Alaska Ms. Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort has a personal agenda and she is carrying out.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
5:12:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BONNIE LILLEY testified in opposition  to the confirmation of Mr.                                                               
Williams.  She  stated that Mr. Williams, as a  director with the                                                               
Pebble Mine, and  Pebble Mine having filed a lawsuit  to keep the                                                               
fisheries  from opposing  someone with  a mining  interest to  be                                                               
allowed on  the board, should be  enough to not confirm  him.  It                                                               
is  obscene to  believe there  is  no conflict  of interest,  she                                                               
continued. Mr.  Williams just confirmed  that he looks  at Pebble                                                               
Mine  in a  different  light, already  clearly supporting  Pebble                                                               
Mine  and, in  her opinion,  it  is impossible  to not  influence                                                               
Pebble Mine's  goals, which  have been opposed  over and  over by                                                               
the  people of  Alaska,  overwhelmingly.   Saying  it is  out-of-                                                               
staters  trying  to direct  Alaska's  decisions  is a  ridiculous                                                               
statement, as  the majority  of Alaskans  have opposed  the mine.                                                               
It is hard for the people of  Alaska to learn what is truly going                                                               
on  because of  nondisclosure laws.   Members  of the  committees                                                               
should  put  the  people  of Alaska  first,  a  requirement  that                                                               
legislators  agreed to  do when  accepting  their positions,  and                                                               
which makes  this decision easy.   More time should be  set aside                                                               
to give everyone  wishing to speak the ability to  do so.  Today,                                                               
people waited  four hours to speak  and then were only  given one                                                               
and a  half minutes.   Many people are  unable to take  the whole                                                               
day waiting to be able to speak.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:14:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PATKOTAK  reminded the public to  submit written testimony,                                                               
which legislators look forward to  reading while they contemplate                                                               
their decisions.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  TARR added  that  the  cutoff for  witnesses  was so  that                                                               
everyone who had signed up to  testify could be heard today.  She                                                               
allowed it  would be up  to the  committees to decide  whether to                                                               
have additional testimony.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:15:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DYLAN BEAN  testified in  opposition to  the confirmation  of Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van  Dort.   He  noted he  is a  lifelong  Alaskan and  a                                                               
combination fisherman who  fishes the entire Gulf of  Alaska.  He                                                               
stated he  believes Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort displayed  extreme bias                                                               
at the  last meetings in  Kodiak and  that she made  decisions on                                                               
emotion and personal interest, not  science and fact.  If allowed                                                               
to  stay  on  the  board,  she will  damage  the  legitimacy  and                                                               
reputation of the board, he continued.   As long as she is on the                                                               
board, people in Kodiak and  other areas surrounding Chignik will                                                               
never  get a  fair  trial.   Ms.  Carlson-Van  Dort  said in  her                                                               
opening statement  that her grandfather's father  and generations                                                               
of her family have fished Chignik  in that water, and that Alaska                                                               
fisheries paid for  her schooling and many things in  her and her                                                               
family's lives.   It has to  be assumed that it  was Chignik reds                                                               
that were paying for  all those things.  So how  can she tell the                                                               
state that she is not biased  toward that water system, which her                                                               
family lineage  has been a  part of for  7,000 years?   People in                                                               
Kodiak have strong  ties to villages and the people  in them, and                                                               
know  the connection  there, and  so he  is not  buying that  Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van Dort is unbiased.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:16:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SPENCER ROBINSON  testified in opposition to  the confirmation of                                                               
Mr.  Williams.   He  specified that  he was  born  and raised  in                                                               
Alaska and is  a young fisherman.  He has  fished four seasons in                                                               
upper  eastside Cook  Inlet and  will be  fishing in  Bristol Bay                                                               
this summer.   In regard to  Mr. Williams, he said  there isn't a                                                               
more clear-cut conflict  of interest than Pebble Mine,  and it is                                                               
ridiculous to  entertain the idea  that that isn't going  to have                                                               
implications on  decisions made  on the Board  of Fisheries.   He                                                               
said he doesn't  see how someone holding seats on  both the Board                                                               
of Fisheries and the Pebble  Mine can be interpreted as something                                                               
that  is not  a concern  for commercial,  subsistence, and  sport                                                               
fishing interests.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:18:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DUNCAN FIELDS,  Chairman, Kodiak Salmon Work  Group, testified in                                                               
opposition  to the  confirmation  of Ms.  Carlson-Van  Dort.   He                                                               
related that this  would be his sixtieth season  fishing the same                                                               
place on  Kodiak Island.   He said  the Kodiak Salmon  Work Group                                                               
represents Kodiak  Island's salmon fishermen from  all gear types                                                               
as well  as the processors  and community stakeholders.   Working                                                               
primarily  on  Board  of Fisheries  issues,  the  group  develops                                                               
materials,  information,  and  data  to present  at  the  board's                                                               
meetings,  and has  been  engaged  in the  board  process for  30                                                               
years.      He  stated   that  the  Kodiak  Salmon  Work  Group's                                                               
opposition to  Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort is based  on her  failure to                                                               
disclose personal conflicts  of interest, and on  which the group                                                               
has submitted a detailed seven-page  letter relative to the legal                                                               
basis.    She  failed  to  disclose  her  personal  conflicts  of                                                               
interest when  looking at the  sum total of the  circumstances of                                                               
her engagement with  Chignik as a community and  with the Chignik                                                               
fisheries.  Mr. Fields maintained  that two misconceptions should                                                               
have  been  clarified  in Ms.  Carlson-Van  Dort's  presentation.                                                               
First,  the  Igvak  Management  Plan  was  not,  and  is  not,  a                                                               
conservation issue.   The plan  first provided that  Chignik gets                                                               
the escapement that  it needs and then it  provided an additional                                                               
100,000 fish  to Chignik fishermen,  all before the  Kodiak fleet                                                               
even  went fishing.   It  was a  $6-$8 million  guarantee to  the                                                               
Chignik  fishermen before  the  Kodiak fleet  went  fishing.   It                                                               
wasn't a conservation issue, he  continued, it was straight up an                                                               
allocation  decision  made in  1968  that  balanced the  equities                                                               
between  the two  fishery groups.   A  single Board  of Fisheries                                                               
member  who  had personal  conflict  of  interest disrupted  that                                                               
balance at the  last Kodiak meeting.  The second  issue had to do                                                               
with the  question from Representative  Stutes about  how sockeye                                                               
are counted  in Chignik and whether  it should be viewed  more as                                                               
mixed  stock fishery.   [Indisc.]  biological  issues in  Chignik                                                               
Lake because  they count all of  the sockeye of Chignik  fish, so                                                               
they overestimate the  amount of fish available  for that system.                                                               
It is  a detailed biological  argument and  Representative Stutes                                                               
is on to something and Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort should have owned up                                                               
to  there being  biological concerns  with the  identification of                                                               
Chignik for the mixed stock fishery.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:21:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GARY  CLINE, Regional  Fisheries Director,  Bristol Bay  Economic                                                               
Development Corporation  (BBEDC), testified in opposition  to the                                                               
confirmation of Mr.  Williams.  He related  that BBEDC represents                                                               
17 communities  and roughly  6,000 residents in  the region.   He                                                               
said it is  appalling that the governor would  appoint someone to                                                               
the Board of Fisheries that  currently works for the Pebble Mine,                                                               
especially when  the main role  of the  board is to  conserve and                                                               
develop  the fishery  resources of  the state.   This  presents a                                                               
huge  conflict of  interest, he  continued,  as a  member of  the                                                               
Board of  Fisheries should  not work  for a  highly controversial                                                               
project that  could devastate  the ecosystem  and economy  of the                                                               
Bristol Bay salmon  fishery.  The BBEDC firmly  believes that the                                                               
Bristol Bay salmon fishery has  been so resilient and sustainable                                                               
because the  natural environment  is still intact  and unscathed.                                                               
It's  clear the  Pebble project  would destroy  certain drainages                                                               
and  salmon  populations  of the  Nushagak  and  Kvichak  rivers.                                                               
Furthermore, if Pebble were to  be developed it could potentially                                                               
disrupt  the  marketability  of Bristol  Bay  salmon  for  future                                                               
generations.    This was  demonstrated  when  the superior  court                                                               
judge dismissed the lawsuit that Abe  Williams was a part of when                                                               
trying  to  sue  the  Bristol Bay  Regional  Seafood  Development                                                               
Association (BBRSDA)  for funding groups opposed  to Pebble Mine.                                                               
Additionally, this  would undermine all the  efforts that fishers                                                               
have  made to  improve  the  quality and  value  of their  catch,                                                               
including  the marketing  endeavors by  Alaska Seafood  Marketing                                                               
Institute (ASMI) and  BBRSDA.  The BBEDC  believes it's important                                                               
to  see  more  representation  on the  Board  of  Fisheries  from                                                               
residents  that  actually  reside in  rural  coastal  communities                                                               
where  the  fisheries  take  place,   as  they  bring  invaluable                                                               
knowledge  to  the   board  on  how  proposals   may  impact  the                                                               
stakeholders that participate in those fisheries.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
5:23:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SYLVIA KAVANAUGH testified in support  of the confirmation of Mr.                                                               
Jensen  and  expressed  concern  about  the  appointment  of  Mr.                                                               
Williams.  She  said she is a lifelong Kodiak  resident who comes                                                               
from a commercial fishing family.   She worked for her father for                                                               
many years  in a variety of  fisheries, and now as  the mother of                                                               
two girls  her family remains  reliant on commercial  fishing for                                                               
its  household  income,  as  her husband  is  also  a  commercial                                                               
fisherman.    She said  she  supports  Mr. Jensen's  confirmation                                                               
because  he  has been  a  longstanding  member  of the  Board  of                                                               
Fisheries  and  holds  a  unique position  as  a  former  working                                                               
fisherman with a depth of  understanding that comes from years of                                                               
involvement directly  through the process and  active engagement.                                                               
She  said the  appointment of  Abe Williams  is quite  concerning                                                               
given his affiliation  with the Pebble Mine.  It  is untenable to                                                               
the  majority of  the groups  that benefit  from Alaska's  salmon                                                               
resource that he is a Pebble Mine employee.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. KAVANAUGH  stated that she  has a general concern  about this                                                               
administration's  appointments   overall,  and  the   balance  of                                                               
representation is not reflective of  all stakeholders.  The other                                                               
nominees  have  very tenuous  links  to  coastal Alaska,  do  not                                                               
reside there, and have demonstrated  a bias for specific regional                                                               
goals.   During the  January 2020 Board  of Fisheries  meeting in                                                               
Kodiak, hundreds of testimonies were  taken on salmon issues, but                                                               
the board demonstrated a lack  of consideration or responsiveness                                                               
for  the  overwhelming testimony.    Residents  from Kodiak  were                                                               
asked in  the stakeholder  meeting if  they felt  their testimony                                                               
mattered.   Not a  single person  felt that  his or  her comments                                                               
were taken  under advisement, and  a common opinion was  that the                                                               
outcomes   were  predetermined.     It's   difficult  to   oppose                                                               
appointees  when they  may become  successfully  seated and  have                                                               
leadership roles that could impact  one individual's access.  The                                                               
lack  of diversity  within the  appointees is  disappointing, and                                                               
Mr. Jensen is the only appointee she can support.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
5:25:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRENT BORCHERD stated he is  a nonresident and finds it extremely                                                               
insulting   that   Representatives   Cronk   and   Hannan   think                                                               
nonresidents  have  no  say in  the  world-class  fisheries  that                                                               
Alaska has to offer.  He  said he is a recreational fishing guide                                                               
who  makes  one-third to  one-half  of  his income  from  guiding                                                               
people on their  bucket list trip in Alaska.   Everyone that pays                                                               
taxes in Alaska  and contributes to the  world-class fisheries in                                                               
Alaska should have a say.   He is against any Pebble employee who                                                               
has had a  dime put into their bank account  from Pebble being on                                                               
the Board  of Fisheries because  anything that a  Pebble employee                                                               
says has  a bias on  this.  He  thanked [the Board  of Fisheries]                                                               
for  its many  years of  work  to make  Alaska continue  to be  a                                                               
bucket list trip for people all over the world.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STUTES  asked  what  tax  Mr.  Borcherd  pays  in                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BORCHERD  replied  he pays  employment  taxes.    Responding                                                               
further to Representative  Stutes, he said State  of Alaska taxes                                                               
are taken out of his paychecks.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES  pointed out that  the State of  Alaska has                                                               
no taxes, but there are federal taxes.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BORCHERD responded he would talk to his accountant.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:28:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ORTIZ  asked whether  Mr.  Borcherd,  as a  sport                                                               
guide working  in Alaska, thinks there  is a need to  take a look                                                               
at  limited entry  for  sport  guides in  Alaska  or whether  the                                                               
current situation  is okay  in terms  of promoting  stability and                                                               
sustainability of Alaska's fisheries overall.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BORCHERD answered he thinks there  should be limited use on a                                                               
lot of the premier rivers.  Over  his 15 years of guiding, with a                                                               
few years off to raise his  children, the increase of pressure on                                                               
the recreational  fisheries out there  has gone through  the roof                                                               
astronomically.   The fishery  should be  limited to  protect the                                                               
overall  recreational stability  and recreational  enhancement of                                                               
the tourists'  enjoyment.  It  is turning into Disneyland  with a                                                               
cattle line  of guides and  clients going down rivers  every day.                                                               
Some  kind  of  permit  system,  or  something  to  protect  that                                                               
situation, [is  needed] because these  are the nursery  rivers of                                                               
the salmon and  it needs to be protected  with historical clients                                                               
and historical lodges.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ORTIZ asked about Mr. Borcherd's main residence.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BORCHERD  replied he  lives in Michigan  and goes  to Bristol                                                               
Bay every summer to take clients  out.  Working at fly-out lodges                                                               
in the Bristol Bay region he has guided thousands of clients.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:30:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DANIEL MILLER testified in opposition  to the confirmation of Mr.                                                               
Williams.   He related that  he has lived in  Kodiak continuously                                                               
for  45 years  and has  been a  commercial fisherman  that entire                                                               
time.  He sold his Bristol  Bay permit to his daughter who fishes                                                               
Bristol Bay now.  He stated  that Mr. Williams is an advocate for                                                               
Pebble Mine and was also involved  in a lawsuit suing a marketing                                                               
association,  trying  to  silence  the  group  with  a  frivolous                                                               
lawsuit.  As a strong advocate  for Pebble, Mr. Williams would be                                                               
a terrible  board member.   Mr. Miller  related that last  year a                                                               
friend of  his who is  an investor  in Northern Dynasty  told him                                                               
that  Pebble would  provide lots  of  jobs for  the local  people                                                               
taking mine  tailings down the rivers.   Pebble is going  to be a                                                               
terrible marketing problem for Bristol  Bay, he continued, if not                                                               
an environmental disaster.  The  strong stance of Mr. Williams on                                                               
permit  stacking  is another  reason  for  his opposition.    Mr.                                                               
Williams wants to be  able to own a permit and not  go out on the                                                               
boat.   Somebody  can  stack  a bunch  of  permits  and not  hire                                                               
anyone.  His  daughter actually works on  a boat, as do  a lot of                                                               
people because they don't have to  own the boat, but they fish on                                                               
it, and that option should be left open for those people.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:32:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ERIN WILLAHAN testified in opposition  to the confirmation of Mr.                                                               
Williams.  She  noted she is a lifelong Alaskan  and currently an                                                               
eastside setnetter  in Upper  Cook Inlet.   She stated  that even                                                               
though she  respects his experience  and agrees with some  of the                                                               
points Mr. Williams  brought up about keeping  permits in Alaska,                                                               
particularly creating  opportunities for  permits to stay  in the                                                               
hands of  rural Alaskan residents,  having an employee  of Pebble                                                               
Mine is  a clear conflict of  interest and also erodes  the trust                                                               
in the Board  of Fisheries.  She urged the  appointment of a less                                                               
divisive candidate who doesn't have  present ties to Pebble Mine.                                                               
Fisheries  management is  obviously  inextricably  linked to  the                                                               
protection of the habitat that  makes Alaska's fisheries possible                                                               
in the  first place.  There  is no way to  reconcile the conflict                                                               
of interest brought between managing  allocation of fisheries and                                                               
a vested interest in the Pebble Mine.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:33:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KIRIL  BASARIGIM,  K-Bay   Fisheries  Association,  testified  in                                                               
opposition to the  confirmations of Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort and Mr.                                                               
Williams.   He related he has  been fishing since he  was born in                                                               
Alaska.   His parents are  from Cordova and the  Aleutian Islands                                                               
back  to Bristol  Bay.   He  said his  association represents  48                                                               
fishing members  and over 200  families from Alaska who  were and                                                               
still are fishermen  for half a century.  They  reside from north                                                               
in Delta  all the way down  to the Peninsula of  Homer, including                                                               
the  Kodiak islands.   He  stated that  the association  strongly                                                               
opposes  Ms.  Carlson-Van-Dort's   confirmation  because  of  her                                                               
conflict  of interest  from her  strong ties  to the  Pebble Mine                                                               
project  and Far  West Incorporated,  which have  no interest  in                                                               
helping  Alaskas  fisheries  become  sustainable.   She does  not                                                               
rely on  the highly  respected Alaska Department  of Fish  & Game                                                               
(ADF&G),  the science  studied by  ADF&G, and  the hard  work put                                                               
into helping  to keep Alaska's  oceans sustainable.    An example                                                               
is when fish  come into contaminated lakes to  spawn, almost more                                                               
than half or none of the fish  come out of the lake because their                                                               
bodies have been deceased by  the contamination."  He stated that                                                               
K-Bay Fisheries Association also  opposes the confirmation of Mr.                                                               
Williams  due to  his conflict  of  interest in  the Pebble  Mine                                                               
project.    The  interests  of Mr.  Williams  are  making  bigger                                                               
profits  for the  Pebble Mine  project instead  of sustainability                                                               
for  Alaskan fisheries  and  not for  the  fishermen and  fishing                                                               
communities in Alaska.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:37:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICK  DELKITTIE testified  in opposition  to the  confirmation of                                                               
Mr. Williams.   He said he is a subsistence  user and opposes Mr.                                                               
Williams because the conflict is  imminent.  He explained that he                                                               
relies on  the fisheries resource  in this region, along  with 32                                                               
other villages, and  that proposal does not  complement any other                                                               
infrastructure  in  this  region.   The  science  that  has  been                                                               
discovered to  date indicates an  adverse impact on all  the fish                                                               
in  this region.    A person  holding  a chair  on  the Board  of                                                               
Fisheries  must have  100 percent  participation  in the  voting,                                                               
which means  he or she cannot  be in conflict and  unable to vote                                                               
on an  issue.  Any individual  on the Board of  Fisheries must be                                                               
able to  vote on  every issue  because of  their importance.   He                                                               
further   stated  that   the  fisheries   are  in   trouble,  and                                                               
regulations are needed on when  the fishing starts after the fish                                                               
have come into fresh water.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:39:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEFFREY MOORE  testified in support  of the confirmations  of all                                                               
five appointees  to the Board of  Fisheries.  He related  that he                                                               
is a  subsistence user, and  has been involved in  the commercial                                                               
fishery  since  1976.   He  has  owned  eight vessels,  owns  six                                                               
limited entry permits for herring  and salmon, and has setnetted,                                                               
gillnetted, seined,  longlined, pot  fished, dragged,  and fished                                                               
for salmon, herring, halibut, groundfish,  and shellfish all over                                                               
the state  of Alaska.   He  stated he  has known  Ms. Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort and Mr.  Williams for 35 years and both  are quality people.                                                               
There  is  so  much  contention over  Ms.  Carlson-Van  Dort,  he                                                               
continued, but this goes back before  she was even born, and it's                                                               
an  allocation issue.   In  previous  years there  were Board  of                                                               
Fisheries members  from Kodiak who  didn't recuse  themselves for                                                               
that allocation  meeting in Kodiak.   Chignik is  getting another                                                               
biologist this  year, probably the  fourteenth, so there  isn't a                                                               
consistent  biologist  for  Chignik.    The  current  problem  is                                                               
because of how  the state has managed it and  now [Chignik's] run                                                               
is gone.   There is  no longer a  salmon fishery or  a processor,                                                               
and  a processor  had operated  continuously for  138 years.   He                                                               
said  he  supports  all  five   nominees  because  all  are  well                                                               
qualified.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:43:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUE MAUGER  testified in  opposition to  the confirmation  of Mr.                                                               
Williams.   She said she  is a  personal use fisherman,  but most                                                               
importantly  she is  someone who  cares about  trust in  Alaska's                                                               
policy decision  making.  Trust  is an incredibly  important part                                                               
of the  way that power  is given to  people who are  nominated to                                                               
help  make decisions.   She  thought  it very  telling that  when                                                               
testifying  today, Mr.  Williams didn't  introduce himself  as an                                                               
employee   of   the   Pebble    Partnership.      Further,   when                                                               
Representative Vance asked questions  about the concerns from her                                                               
constituents, of which  she is one, about his role  in the Pebble                                                               
Partnership, Mr. Williams  was very dismissive and  did not offer                                                               
much  for people  to feel  less concerned.   Being  dismissive is                                                               
probably  the worst  quality  in  a candidate.    She urged  that                                                               
legislators opposed the confirmation of Mr. Williams.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:44:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BENJAMIN  ALLEN  testified  in   support  of  Ms.  Mitchell,  Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van Dort,  and Mr. Wood.   He noted  he is from  a multi-                                                               
generational  fishing family,  uses  subsistence in  sea life  as                                                               
well as  game, serves on a  number of boards and  committees, and                                                               
has  a  deep  appreciation  for   the  continuation  of  Alaska's                                                               
resources.   He said  Board of  Fisheries members  make difficult                                                               
decisions for  the entire  state.   Every community  is different                                                               
and having  diverse members on the  board is important.   It is a                                                               
great time of change in Alaska  and fisheries are not the same as                                                               
the  days of  plenty, he  continued.   Evaluation of  climate and                                                               
technology changes is  very necessary.  All user  groups are very                                                               
important and  need to  have representation.   Mr. Allen  said is                                                               
seeing difficulty in  maintaining sustainable fisheries occurring                                                               
in  the Gulf  of Alaska,  with  dramatic changes  in focusing  on                                                               
conservation concerns  of the fish.   From what he has  seen now,                                                               
the concerns of fish are  going underneath the concerns of income                                                               
in  the  short  term  and  he believes  that  Ms.  Mitchell,  Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van Dort,  and Mr.  Wood have  a willingness  to maintain                                                               
long-term  viability over  the quick  buck.   Users use  fish and                                                               
cannot  be expected  to protect  them, and  sometimes need  to be                                                               
told not to use them.   Though the decision is painful, the board                                                               
must make it and these three nominees  would do the job well.  He                                                               
said  Kodiak  was given  the  Igvak  plan  to  help when  it  was                                                               
suffering, and the change made by  the board was given to Chignik                                                               
for that  same opportunity  now.  Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort  made her                                                               
mainland and Igvak decision to  help bolster the recently damaged                                                               
terminal fisheries  and was given  a hard push for  helping ADF&G                                                               
keep its  ability to maintain  sustainability.  He added  that he                                                               
doesn't  always  agree with  the  board  members' decisions,  but                                                               
extends his  appreciation to all  past and current  board members                                                               
who have a difficult task.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:47:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN MCWETHY testified in opposition  to the confirmation of Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van Dort.  He noted  he is a second-generation fisherman,                                                               
and stated that  much of what he  wanted to say in  regard to his                                                               
opposition has already  been said.  In regard to  the changing of                                                               
the  Cape Igvak  Management Plan,  he related  that the  plan has                                                               
been  in place  since the  induction  of limited  entry in  those                                                               
areas, and  isn't helping the  Chignik run  at all.   Previous to                                                               
the change,  Chignik fishermen  in the  initial season  needed to                                                               
harvest 200,000 fish  before [Kodiak fishermen] even  got a fish,                                                               
sockeye that  is, a $6-$8  million value as previously  stated by                                                               
Mr. Fields.   When  Ms. Carlson-Van Dort  made that  decision, he                                                               
continued,  she  took the  two  worst  proposals for  Kodiak  and                                                               
meshed them into one.  They  doubled the threshold and halved the                                                               
allocation for  Kodiak.   Historically, Kodiak  got a  harvest 15                                                               
percent of what Chignik harvested  in that area, and that dropped                                                               
to 7.5  percent.   It was  a very biased  decision, he  said; she                                                               
never wanted  to hear [the  Kodiak] side of  it and came  in with                                                               
her mind  made up.  He  lost a lot of  trust in the board  and he                                                               
wants  someone  on the  board  who  is  going  to be  honest  and                                                               
straightforward, hear  everyone out, and  make the  best decision                                                               
for  everyone  involved.    He  offered  his  understanding  that                                                               
Chignik is  suffering and has been  for a couple years,  but said                                                               
it  isn't the  fault of  Kodiak  or Area  M; that  system is  not                                                               
producing, [Kodiak fishermen] haven't fished in that area.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:50:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOM  MANOS testified  in opposition  to the  confirmation of  Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van  Dort and  in  support of  the  confirmations of  Mr.                                                               
Jensen, Ms.  Mitchell, Mr. Williams, and  Mr. Wood.  He  noted he                                                               
has commercially fished  in Alaska for 45  years, primarily along                                                               
the south peninsula.   He is in the process  of passing the baton                                                               
to his  sons and  several other young  fishermen to  provide good                                                               
employment for  20 young  Alaskans.  He  has participated  in the                                                               
Board  of Fisheries  process for  40  years.   Though he  doesn't                                                               
always agree with  the decisions made, he feels  that the process                                                               
has  been  instrumental  in  making   Alaska  fishing  a  healthy                                                               
sustainable  business,   perhaps  the  most   successful  fishery                                                               
resource utilization in the world.   He said Ms. Carlson-Van Dort                                                               
comes  with a  regional bias  and a  strong sport  fish bias,  as                                                               
evidenced  by her  record.   She does  not fairly  represent [the                                                               
commercial] industry and  the fishers that are  an important part                                                               
of the Alaska economy.  A  fair and thoughtful Board of Fisheries                                                               
is critical  for the viability  of Alaska fishing,  he continued,                                                               
and it's  important to the  health and  resource of all  the user                                                               
groups.   He said  he supports the  confirmations of  Mr. Jensen,                                                               
Ms.  Mitchell,  Mr. Williams,  and  Mr.  Wood.   He  offered  his                                                               
respect for the hard work and dedication of board members.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:52:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ED MARTIN stated  he is a 56-year resident of  Alaska and the son                                                               
of a homesteader.   He stated that the first  duty of legislators                                                               
is  to   Article  VIII  of  the   constitution  in  establishing,                                                               
protecting, and  utilization of Alaska's  resources.   For almost                                                               
four  hours  he  has  listened  to  controversy  on  whether  the                                                               
legislature should install  another lieutenant to do  its work in                                                               
the fish  wars that go on  and separate urban and  rural areas in                                                               
the competition and  allocation of that resource  that belongs to                                                               
all Alaskans.   Legislators need to  cut the budget and  in doing                                                               
so there are 140 boards and  commissions.  The duties of Alaska's                                                               
legislature need  to be  re-evaluated and Alaska  should go  to a                                                               
biennial  legislative  session.    He  urged  that  none  of  the                                                               
nominees be appointed and that  the board be abandoned completely                                                               
because prior legislatures  have created a fish  war that doesn't                                                               
have to exist.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:54:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RAECHEL ALLEN  testified in support  of the confirmations  of Ms.                                                               
Mitchell, Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort, and Mr. Wood.   She related that                                                               
she fished  on her father's boat  through the 1980s, ran  her own                                                               
seiner for 20 years, and has  passed on the seiner to her husband                                                               
so she  can raise her  children.  She  further noted that  she is                                                               
secretary  of the  Chignik [Fish  and  Game] Advisory  Committee.                                                               
She stated that  last week she purchased a  Kodiak permit because                                                               
it is very  unlikely that Chignik is going to  have a fishery for                                                               
this  next year,  and  fishing  is her  family's  only source  of                                                               
income.  It should be acknowledged  that both of the lake systems                                                               
are failing.   [Chignik] has a subsistence  problem, the in-river                                                               
escapement goal for subsistence is  not being reached.  [Chignik]                                                               
has  a  sport  fishery  problem, the  Chignik  sport  fishery  is                                                               
getting shut down.  As  well, Chignik has a commercial escapement                                                               
problem, a river  problem.  With all those problems  in mind, she                                                               
continued, her  family picked up a  permit for Kodiak to  be able                                                               
to continue  fishing.   She said she  supports Ms.  Mitchell, Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van  Dort,  and  Mr.  Wood   because  they  will  support                                                               
protecting salmon.   Right now, protecting  the sustainability of                                                               
the salmon  and the  sustainability of  the escapement  should be                                                               
the  main focus  for  most of  Alaska, and  that  cannot be  done                                                               
without  protecting the  terminal  harvest.   If Ms.  Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort has any bias, it is a  bias to protect salmon, so she highly                                                               
supports her  confirmation, as well  as the confirmations  of Ms.                                                               
Mitchell and Mr. Wood.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:57:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAUL A. SHADURA  II testified in opposition  to the confirmations                                                               
of Ms. Mitchell,  Ms. Carlson-Van Dort, and  Mr. Wood, appointees                                                               
to the  Board of  Fisheries; and testified  in opposition  to the                                                               
confirmation of Mr. Smith, appointee  to the Commercial Fisheries                                                               
Entry Commission.   He began his testimony by  reading an excerpt                                                               
from  a  report to  the  people  from the  Alaska  Constitutional                                                               
Convention:   "The  future wealth  of  the state  of Alaska  will                                                               
depend largely on  how it administers the immense  and the varied                                                               
resources to  which it will  fall heir."   He said he  resides on                                                               
the Kenai  Peninsula and has  been a commercial  setnet fisherman                                                               
in Cook  Inlet for  53 years,  and an  active participant  in the                                                               
Board of Fisheries process since the  early 1970s.  He has served                                                               
on    many    resource-related    committees,    including    the                                                               
Kenai/Soldotna Fish  and Game Advisory Committee  as a designated                                                               
commercial interest seat for many of those years.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SHADURA,  in regard  to  the  confirmation hearing  for  the                                                               
appointees to the Board of  Fisheries, stated that past governors                                                               
have been  cognizant of the  immense responsibilities  toward the                                                               
people of  the state  and therefore have  strived to  balance the                                                               
expertise  through  the  representation process.    An  unwritten                                                               
policy is  three commercial interest  seats, three  sport fishing                                                               
interest seats,  and one primary subsistence  stakeholder who may                                                               
participate in other multiple uses.   Alaska's supersize requires                                                               
some sensitivity  to regional  perspectives, and  currently there                                                               
is  a  severely   disproportionate  board  representation  issue.                                                               
Because of this, he said,  he cannot support the confirmations of                                                               
Ms. Mitchell, Ms. Carlson-Van Dort, and Mr. Wood.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SHADURA,  in regard  to  the  confirmation hearing  for  the                                                               
appointee to  the Commercial  Fisheries Entry  Commission (CFEC),                                                               
read from  a recent  Alaska Supreme Court  decision having  to do                                                               
with AS  39.05.080, Procedures  for All  Appointments.   He urged                                                               
that appointee Melvin Smith not be confirmed at this time.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:01:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DANIELLE RINGER  testified in opposition  to the  confirmation of                                                               
Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort.  She  said she  was born to  fishermen and                                                               
raised in Homer,  and operates a small-scale  fishing vessel with                                                               
her husband who  was also born and raised in  Alaska.  She stated                                                               
that  based  on  Ms.  Carlson-Van  Dort's  resume  she  would  be                                                               
inclined  to  support  her, aside  from  the  appointee's  [past]                                                               
employment  with the  Pebble  Partnership,  which really  bothers                                                               
her.  More Indigenous and  female representation is needed on the                                                               
Board  of Fisheries,  she continued.    However, after  firsthand                                                               
experience watching the  appointee function as a  board member at                                                               
the last  Kodiak meeting, she  said she believes  Ms. Carlson-Van                                                               
Dort  arrived in  Kodiak  with  her mind  already  made up  about                                                               
Chignik  proposals, some  of  which were  written  by her  family                                                               
members,  and she  didn't seem  to take  into account  the public                                                               
testimony  or the  scientific data.   Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort  said                                                               
earlier today that she has  worked hard to broker compromise, but                                                               
it  seemed to  be the  opposite of  that in  Kodiak.   Testifying                                                               
[before the  Board of  Fisheries] can  be very  intimidating, yet                                                               
the Kodiak community showed up  to teach the relatively new board                                                               
members  about the  mixed commercial  and subsistence  fishing in                                                               
the Kodiak  region.   The Kodiak community's  words were  lost on                                                               
Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort, who appeared  wholly uninterested  in what                                                               
people  were sharing.   Alaskans  deserve a  balanced board  with                                                               
diverse  geographic and  stakeholder representation  with members                                                               
who  are  held to  the  highest  ethical  standard.   Ms.  Ringer                                                               
requested that members of the  committees oppose the confirmation                                                               
of Ms. Carlson-Van Dort.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:03:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AXEL  KOPUN testified  in  support of  the  confirmations of  Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van  Dort and  Mr. Wood.     He  stated he  is a  fourth-                                                               
generation Native  Alaskan commercial and  subsistence fisherman.                                                               
He grew up between Kodiak and  Chignik and has fished Chignik his                                                               
entire life.   He said  that with  all the struggles  and changes                                                               
going on lately  in the Gulf of  Alaska, there has been  a lot of                                                               
need for  fresh eyes  on the salmon  fisheries, and  the nominees                                                               
for  the Board  of  Fisheries  provide just  that.   The  various                                                               
backgrounds and  expertise that they  hold are what is  needed at                                                               
this point.  Some of the struggles  going on are what have led to                                                               
a lot of the current contention.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOPUN stated that Board  of Fisheries meetings are especially                                                               
contentious when they get between  areas that traditionally fight                                                               
over fish  resources.   Kodiak hates Chignik,  he said.   Ninety-                                                               
nine percent of today's comments  against the confirmation of Ms.                                                               
Carlson-Van Dort  have come  from Kodiak.   They're all  based on                                                               
two proposals at  the 2020 Board of Fisheries  meeting in Kodiak.                                                               
He  urged that  that  be taken  with  a grain  of  salt and  that                                                               
members of  the committees  understand what  is really  going on.                                                               
Chignik is  a small fishery  that is  in between the  two largest                                                               
interception fisheries in the state  of Alaska.  [Chignik] has to                                                               
fight all the  time just to get  its fish back to  the rivers and                                                               
[Chignik] has  been unable to  fish two  of the last  three years                                                               
because of  not getting the  escapement.  So,  there is a  lot of                                                               
contention.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KOPUN further  stated that  he has  been going  to Board  of                                                               
Fisheries meetings since  1998 and over 23  years of observation,                                                               
and  intense  interaction  with   the  board  members,  he  truly                                                               
believes  that Ms.  Carlson-Van Dort  and Mr.  Wood have  what it                                                               
takes to move Alaska into this new  era, that may or may not be a                                                               
permanent change.   Ms. Carlson-Van  Dort and Mr. Wood  are quick                                                               
thinking  and intelligent  and independent-minded,  he continued.                                                               
They  don't take  marching  orders  from a  certain  sector or  a                                                               
certain  political group  that informs  them how  to vote.   They                                                               
vote what they think  is right for the fish.   It's all about the                                                               
fish   let  the fish get back to the  streams and everything else                                                               
will take care  of itself.  He noted he  has submitted in writing                                                               
some   points  about   the   fallacies  and   misrepresentations,                                                               
including on Ms. Carlson-Van Dort's voting record.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:06:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ORTIZ  agreed it's all  about the fish.   He asked                                                               
whether Mr. Kopun  sees any problems with  Ms. Carlson-Van Dort's                                                               
prior connection to the Pebble project and Mr. Williams.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOPUN  replied he doesn't see  what it has to  do with making                                                               
decisions on  the Board of Fisheries.   In his 23  years of going                                                               
to  board meetings  he has  never heard  a proposal  come forward                                                               
that is going to  deal with mining.  He said  he doesn't know Abe                                                               
Williams, but  he doesn't see how  it would ever come  into play.                                                               
He doesn't  see how those  two worlds interact on  the regulatory                                                               
level where  a Board  of Fisheries  member would  have to  make a                                                               
decision.  If for some reason  it did, he imagines there would be                                                               
a conflict  of interest  with being an  active board  member with                                                               
Pebble.  He personally has no problem with it.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:07:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committees took an at-ease from 6:07 p.m. to 6:09 p.m.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:09:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TARR  closed public  testimony for  the Board  of Fisheries                                                               
confirmation hearings.   She urged  the public to  submit written                                                               
testimony to:  house.fisheries@akleg.org.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:09:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GILLHAM  stated there were many  good comments and                                                               
conversation.  He expressed his  hope for legislators to make the                                                               
right decision.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:09:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY thanked  committee members  for their  good                                                               
questions  to  the nominees  and  the  public for  listening  and                                                               
giving their comments.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
6:10:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  thanked the public  for waiting so  long to                                                               
testify.  She  also thanked her constituents who  have called her                                                               
and sent  messages.  She  said these communications are  read and                                                               
considered and  do help  in making  a decision.   She  hasn't yet                                                               
made a decision because the controversy needs to be weighed.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:10:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE  thanked Chair  Tarr  for  running a  good                                                               
meeting and  thanked the public  for staying  on for so  long and                                                               
listening.   He  said he's  confused as  to why  being associated                                                               
with Pebble Mine  is such an issue.  He  questioned whether being                                                               
pro-Pebble means someone is anti-fish.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
6:11:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CRONK   thanked  everyone  who  testified.     He                                                               
expressed concern  about the statement that  rivers are congested                                                               
and said taking a look at why they are congested may be needed.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:12:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SCHRAGE  thanked the appointees for  putting their                                                               
names forward and thanked the  public for speaking and submitting                                                               
written  comments.   He said  the testimony  really does  help in                                                               
making a decision.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:12:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN commented  that  this is  a reminder  that                                                               
democracy  is   a  messy  process   and  only  works   if  people                                                               
participate.   She  thanked the  public for  spending five  hours                                                               
with the committees today.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:13:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER thanked  Chair Tarr  for running  a good                                                               
and fair  job running  the meeting.   He  thanked the  public for                                                               
waiting hours and hours online  to provide testimony.  He offered                                                               
his apology for  the one-and-a-half limit on  testimony, but said                                                               
members took notes.   He said his mind is not yet  made up and he                                                               
will be  reviewing his notes and  the testimony.  He  gave credit                                                               
to the  appointees for stepping up,  taking on so much  work, and                                                               
facing a lot of hard questions.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:14:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ORTIZ  concurred  with  the  other  comments  and                                                               
stated his mind is not yet made  up either.  It's a big decision,                                                               
he continued,  and the  length of time  people waited  to testify                                                               
shows that.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:15:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES  stated this shows how  important fisheries                                                               
are to Alaskans and she is  grateful to the public and members of                                                               
the  committees  for  their  time  today.   She  said  she  takes                                                               
exception to the  disparaging comment that was  made towards UFA.                                                               
She  pointed out  that UFA  is  membership group  with 37  member                                                               
groups and  over 500  individual members,  and she  doesn't think                                                               
that would be the case if  going after someone were UFA's mode of                                                               
operation.   She added that UFA  has participated and done  a lot                                                               
of good for the fisheries.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:16:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PATKOTAK  offered his appreciation  to those who  spoke and                                                               
participated in the public process.   The comments are of help to                                                               
him because, he  quipped, whale wars are what he  is used to, not                                                               
fish wars.  He thanked Chair Tarr.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:17:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TARR noted  that Board of Fisheries  member, Israel Payton,                                                               
called her office  and expressed his support for  the five people                                                               
under consideration  for the board.   Mr. Payton had  good things                                                               
to say  about the nominees and  she agreed to share  his thoughts                                                               
with the  committee.   She pointed out  that the  committee heard                                                               
from  people in  numerous communities  all over  the state.   She                                                               
expressed her appreciation for the testimony.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
6:18:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  PATKOTAK  reminded the  two  committees  that signing  the                                                               
report  regarding appointments  to boards  and commissions  is in                                                               
accordance with  AS 39.05.080 and  in no way  reflects individual                                                               
members'  approval  or disapproval  of  the  appointees, and  the                                                               
nominations  are merely  forwarded  to the  full legislature  for                                                               
confirmation  or rejection.    [The names  advanced  to the  full                                                               
legislature were:   Marilyn Charles and  Renee Alward, appointees                                                               
to the Fisherman's Fund Advisory  Board & Appeals Council; Melvin                                                               
Smith, appointee  to the  Commercial Fisheries  Entry Commission;                                                               
and John  Jensen, McKenzie Mitchell, Marit  Carlson-Van Dort, Abe                                                               
Williams, and John Wood, appointees to the Board of Fisheries.]                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:19:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business  before the committees, the joint                                                               
meeting of the  House Resources Standing Committee  and the House                                                               
Special Committee on Fisheries meeting was adjourned at 6:19                                                                    
p.m.                                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Melivin Smith CFEC Letter of Support Coastal Village Region Fund 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
House Joint Resources/Fisheries Confirmation Hearings
Melvin Smith CFEC Letter of Support Tribe of Unalaska 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
House Joint Resources/Fisheries Confirmation Hearings
Melvin Smith CFEC Letter of Support Shumagin Corporation 2.22.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
House Joint Resources/Fisheries Confirmation Hearings
Melvin Smith CFEC Letter of Support Old Harbor 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
House Joint Resources/Fisheries Confirmation Hearings
Melvin Smith CFEC Letter of Support Kwikpak Fisheries 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
House Joint Resources/Fisheries Confirmation Hearings
Melvin Smith CFEC Letter of Support John Jensen 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
House Joint Resources/Fisheries Confirmation Hearings
Melvin Smith CFEC Letter of Support John Baker 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
House Joint Resources/Fisheries Confirmation Hearings
Melvin Smith CFEC Letter of Support False Pass Tribal Council 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
House Joint Resources/Fisheries Confirmation Hearings
Melvin Smith CFEC Letter of Support False Pass 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
House Joint Resources/Fisheries Confirmation Hearings
Melvin Smith CFEC Letter of Support Bill Shaisnikoff 3.6.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
House Joint Resources/Fisheries Confirmation Hearings
Melvin Smith CFEC Letter of Support Al Vezey 3.15.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
House Joint Resources/Fisheries Confirmation Hearings
Melvin Smith CFEC Letter of Support ACDC 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
House Joint Resources/Fisheries Confirmation Hearings
Melivin Smith CFEC Letter of Support Coastal Village Region Fund 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
House Joint Resources/Fisheries Confirmation Hearings
Marilyn Charles FFAAC Board Application Redacted 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Renee Alward FFAAC Resume Redacted 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
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Renee Alward FFAAC Board Application Redacted 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Renee Alward FFAAC Resume Redacted 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Board of Fisheries - Resume - McKenzie Mitchell 2021.pdf HFSH 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Board of Fisheries
Board of Fisheries - Resume - Marit Carlson-Van Dort 2021.pdf HFSH 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Board of Fisheries
Board of Fisheries - Bio for Confirmation - John Jensen 2021.pdf HFSH 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Board of Fisheries
Board of Fisheries - Application - John Wood 2021.pdf HFSH 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Board of Fisheries
Board of Fisheries - Application - John Jenson 2021.pdf HFSH 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Board of Fisheries
Board of Fisheries - Application - Abe Williams 2021.pdf HFSH 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Board of Fisheries
John Wood BOF Letter Kodiak Seiners 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Marit Carlson Van Dort BOF Letter Kodiak Seiners 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Marit Carlon Van Dort BOF Letter Concerned Area M Fishermen 4.10.2021.docx.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
CIC Supports Carlson Van-Dort 2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
CIC Supports John Wood 2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
CIC Supports McKenzie Mitchell 2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
CLNC Support of Board of Fisheries Appointees 2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Board of Fisheries Letter Peter Pan Seafoods 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Marit Carlon Van Dort BOF Letter Axel Kopun 4.10.2021.docx.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Board of Fisheries Letter Aleutians East Borough 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Board of Fisheries Letter Alaska Trollers Association 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Board of Fisheries Letter Area M Seiners 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Board of Fisheries Letter Aleutians East Borough 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Marit Carlon Van Dort BOF Letter of Support AFN 4.10.2021.docx.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Board of Fisheries Public Testimony Received by House Resources Committee 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Board of Fisheries Public Testimony Received by House Resources Committee Batch Two 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Marit Carlson Van Dort BOF Letter NPFA 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Marit Carlson Van Dort BOF Letter City of Cordova 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Marit Carlson Van Dort BOF Letter KBay Fisheries 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Marit Carlson Van Dort BOF Letter Cama'i Heritage 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Board of Fisheries Letter Aoutheast Alaska Seiners 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
John Jensen BOF Letter King Cove 4.10.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Board of Fisheries Letter Bristol Bay Groups 4.16.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Board of Fisheries
Board of Fisheries Public Testimony Batch Three 4.16.2021.pdf HRES 4/10/2021 1:00:00 PM
Board of Fisheries