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03/15/2022 01:00 PM House MILITARY & VETERANS' AFFAIRS

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
   HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON MILITARY AND VETERANS' AFFAIRS                                                                  
                         March 15, 2022                                                                                         
                           1:08 p.m.                                                                                            
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
Representative Chris Tuck, Chair                                                                                                
Representative Andi Story                                                                                                       
Representative Geran Tarr                                                                                                       
Representative Matt Claman                                                                                                      
Representative George Rauscher                                                                                                  
Representative Laddie Shaw                                                                                                      
Representative David Nelson                                                                                                     
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 32                                                                                                   
Encouraging the United States Congress to establish hiring goals                                                                
for apprentices and veteran apprentices.                                                                                        
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
BILL: HJR 32                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: HIRING OF APPRENTICES/VETERANS                                                                                     
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) NELSON                                                                                            
02/16/22       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/16/22       (H)       MLV                                                                                                    
03/15/22       (H)       MLV AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
KYLE KAISER, President                                                                                                          
Viper Transitions                                                                                                               
Peters Creek, Alaska                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave invited testimony during the hearing                                                                
on HJR 32.                                                                                                                      
JASON WALL, Case Manager                                                                                                        
Alaska Helmets to Hardhats                                                                                                      
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Gave invited  testimony during  the hearing                                                             
on HJR 32.                                                                                                                      
PAUL FUHS, Secretary Treasurer                                                                                                  
Arctic Warfare Museum                                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 32.                                                                          
DON ETHERIDGE, Lobbyist                                                                                                         
American   Federation  of   Labor   -   Congress  of   Industrial                                                               
Alaska Works Partnership                                                                                                        
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 32.                                                                          
MANUAL ACUNA, representing self                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 32.                                                                          
BENNO CLEVELAND, President                                                                                                      
Alaska Native Veterans Council                                                                                                  
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 32.                                                                          
BRAD BALDRIDGE, representing self                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HJR 32.                                                                          
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
1:08:14 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CHRIS TUCK  called the House Special  Committee on Military                                                             
and   Veterans'   Affairs  meeting   to   order   at  1:08   p.m.                                                               
Representatives Shaw, Tarr, Claman,  Story, Rauscher, Nelson, and                                                               
Tuck were present at the call to order.                                                                                         
             HJR 32-HIRING OF APPRENTICES/VETERANS                                                                          
1:09:03 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR TUCK  announced that  the only order  of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE  JOINT RESOLUTION  NO. 32,  Encouraging  the United  States                                                               
Congress to  establish hiring goals  for apprentices  and veteran                                                               
1:09:35 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE NELSON,  as prime sponsor,  presented HJR 32.   He                                                               
read the  sponsor statement [included  in the  committee packet],                                                               
which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
     HJR  32  encourages  the   United  States  Congress  to                                                                    
     introduce and  pass legislation requiring  each offeror                                                                    
     for  a domestic  United  States  Department of  Defense                                                                    
     construction project  to establish goals that  not less                                                                    
     than  10 percent  of the  total  workforce employed  in                                                                    
     performance of the project are  veterans in a qualified                                                                    
     apprenticeship  or postsecondary  program; and  require                                                                    
     each  contractor  and   subcontractor  for  a  domestic                                                                    
     United  States   Department  of   Defense  construction                                                                    
     project  that  employs   apprentices  or  postsecondary                                                                    
     students  are  veterans  of the  armed  forces  of  the                                                                    
     United States.                                                                                                             
1:11:28 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY   voiced  her  support  for   the  proposed                                                               
resolution.   She  asked for  the percentage  of apprentices  and                                                               
post-secondary students who are  veterans working on projects for                                                               
the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD).                                                                                           
REPRESENTATIVE  NELSON  deferred  the  question  to  the  invited                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY,  in reference  to  the  percentage of  the                                                               
workforce, questioned why 10 percent was chosen.                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NELSON answered  that  the 10  percent figure  is                                                               
from  the  U.S.   Department  of  Veterans  Affairs   (VA).    He                                                               
reiterated  his  understanding  that the  veteran  population  in                                                               
Alaska is  13 percent.  In  response to a follow  up question, he                                                               
shared  that  the  nationwide  veteran  population  is  under  20                                                               
million people, or 6.6 percent of the population.                                                                               
1:13:57 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER  asked if  the proposed  resolution would                                                               
only apply to jobs on military bases.                                                                                           
REPRESENTATIVE  NELSON answered  that the  bill would  pertain to                                                               
any domestic DoD construction projects.                                                                                         
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER recounted that  there was a previous bill                                                               
which pertained to [veteran] preference  and asked whether HJR 32                                                               
meshes with this bill.                                                                                                          
REPRESENTATIVE NELSON responded that he  is not familiar with the                                                               
previous legislation.   He stated  that HJR 32  primarily applies                                                               
to federal contractors.                                                                                                         
1:15:01 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR TUCK  confirmed that about two  years ago there was  a bill                                                               
which  allowed  veteran  preference.   He  said  that  the  state                                                               
currently has  a veteran  hiring preference,  and this  option is                                                               
also open  to private companies.   In response  to Representative                                                               
Rauscher's previous  question, he  pointed out  that there  is no                                                               
minimum requirement  spelled out  in the state  hiring code.   He                                                               
said that  HJR 32 would  put a  requirement at the  federal level                                                               
for DoD projects.                                                                                                               
1:16:26 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  NELSON, in  response to  Representative Rauscher,                                                               
answered that  the bill would establish  a goal of 10  percent of                                                               
DoD contractors be veterans.                                                                                                    
1:17:18 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  NELSON,  in  response to  Representative  Claman,                                                               
reiterated that,  according to  VA, the  percentage of  adults in                                                               
the nation who have served in the military is 6.6 percent.                                                                      
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  pointed out that the  resolution calls for                                                               
a veteran hiring  goal of 10 percent, but the  national figure of                                                               
adults  who  served  is 6.6  percent;  therefore,  he  questioned                                                               
whether 10 percent would be a realistic figure for contractors.                                                                 
REPRESENTATIVE  NELSON responded  that  he would  rather have  10                                                               
percent  as  a goal  because  working  for military  construction                                                               
projects is a highly sought job for military veterans.                                                                          
1:19:58 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR TUCK introduced invited testimony.                                                                                        
1:20:30 PM                                                                                                                    
KYLE KAISER,  President, Viper Transitions,  shared that he  is a                                                               
U.S.  Army veteran,  having served  in the  airborne infantry  in                                                               
Iraq and Afghanistan  in the Apache Company, which  was the first                                                               
of the 501st  Airborne Infantry out of 425's  brigade combat team                                                               
in Fort Richardson.  Following  his deployment to Iraq, he stated                                                               
that he  was selected to  attend the  U.S. Army sniper  school in                                                               
Fort Benning,  Georgia.  As an  infantryman, he said that  he was                                                               
trained and  taught to accomplish the  mission at all costs.   He                                                               
explained  that, in  the military,  members learn  to follow  the                                                               
guidance  of leadership  and trust  direction given  to them,  as                                                               
this could mean  the difference between life and death.   He said                                                               
that progression  in rank  teaches to "lead  from the  front" and                                                               
prepare to make decisions which could  cost a soldier's life.  He                                                               
stated that  part of  the noncommissioned  officer's creed  is to                                                               
accomplish  the  mission while  maintaining  the  welfare of  the                                                               
soldiers.   He stated that this  will always be at  the forefront                                                               
of  his  mind.   He  stated  that  military service  is  selfless                                                               
service to the  country.  He expressed the  importance of elected                                                               
leaders who understand the mindset of veterans.                                                                                 
MR. KAISER  expressed support  for HJR 32  because it  relates to                                                               
veteran  suicide.   He  reported  that  in  2021, there  were  20                                                               
veteran  suicides a  day.   He  said that  Viper Transitions  was                                                               
created  to  ensure  veterans a  smooth  transition  to  civilian                                                               
careers, while connecting the members  to services they may need.                                                               
He pointed out that mental-health  crises result from exposure to                                                               
violence  and  traumatizing  events; however,  he  expressed  the                                                               
opinion that  the bigger  issue relates to  the feeling  of being                                                               
outcast, neglected,  disrespected, and dishonored  by countrymen.                                                               
He explained  that when a member  is in uniform, people  know the                                                               
person is in the  military and will help them in  some way.  Such                                                               
acts are  greatly appreciated; however, he  expressed the opinion                                                               
that  when the  uniform  comes  off, the  public  looks upon  the                                                               
member as  a "has  been."   He explained  the most  common remark                                                               
members  receive when  looking for  a job  is to  be thanked  for                                                               
their   service;  however,   they   are  often   told  they   are                                                               
overqualified, underqualified,  or their  resume will be  kept on                                                               
file.   He said these statements  can be summed up  as "thank you                                                               
for your service,  but we don't care."  He  stressed that this is                                                               
not a rant from a disgruntled  veteran but truths which have been                                                               
ignored.   He  argued that  HJR  32 would  be a  massive step  in                                                               
assisting veterans who  are searching for their next  career.  He                                                               
outlined three  main career paths  for veterans nationwide:   the                                                               
federal government,  state or city government,  and construction.                                                               
By supporting  career development, he said,  the resolution would                                                               
call for  lawmakers to  take real action  for veterans  after the                                                               
uniform comes off.                                                                                                              
1:27:07 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER  recounted  that  on base  many  of  the                                                               
construction  jobs  are  union.     He  asked  how  the  proposed                                                               
resolution would  mesh with  union jobs.   He  questioned whether                                                               
the members would need to  go through apprenticeships, or whether                                                               
members would receive a bypass.                                                                                                 
CHAIR TUCK  responded that, when  the Alaska Native  Hospital was                                                               
built in  Anchorage, there  was a Native-hire  preference.   In a                                                               
military  scenario,  he  said there  would  be  a  veteran-hiring                                                               
preference until  the contractor met  the 10 percent  figure, and                                                               
that  once  the  books  are  cleared of  all  the  veterans,  the                                                               
contractor would  move to  open hiring.   He added  that dispatch                                                               
rules  would need  to be  changed to  reflect this  process.   He                                                               
stated  that HJR  32 would  help  all contractors  have a  hiring                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER asked  if journeyman  requirements would                                                               
be waved.                                                                                                                       
CHAIR TUCK answered that during  the apprenticeship interview and                                                               
application  process,  the   paperwork  typically  describes  the                                                               
member's  military   experience;  however,   each  apprenticeship                                                               
program has its own standards of  credit.  He said there could be                                                               
a performance  test to verify  hours.   He clarified that  he can                                                               
only  speak  for  the  International  Brotherhood  of  Electrical                                                               
Workers (IBEW).  He asked Mr. Kaiser to share his affiliation.                                                                  
1:30:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  KAISER explained  that  HJR  32 does  not  have  a union  or                                                               
nonunion focus,  but rather  it pertains  to contractors  who are                                                               
bidding on projects to hire  veterans.  He further explained that                                                               
each  apprenticeship  has its  own  approved  U.S. Department  of                                                               
Labor standards,  and the  standards ensure  that the  people are                                                               
being trained and brought up to  journeymen.  He said that HJR 32                                                               
would  direct  any  contractor   with  apprenticeships  to  bring                                                               
veterans into the  program under the contractor's  standards.  On                                                               
the  percentage requirement,  he said  that 10  percent would  be                                                               
applied to one specific job.                                                                                                    
1:32:40 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER asked  if there is a  percentage of union                                                               
versus nonunion contractors on military bases.                                                                                  
CHAIR TUCK  suggested that  the building  trades or  the American                                                               
Federation of Labor - Congress  of Industrial Organizations (AFL-                                                               
CIO) might have data on that.                                                                                                   
1:33:28 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  SHAW pointed  out  that  transition programs  via                                                               
apprenticeships exist within  the military.  He said  that HJR 32                                                               
would expand  the programs,  and in  looking at  the resolution's                                                               
letters  of  support,  the apprenticeship  programs  cover  every                                                               
area.   He provided the  opinion that  the growth of  the program                                                               
and opportunities for veterans is substantial.                                                                                  
1:34:42 PM                                                                                                                    
JASON  WALL, Case  Manager, Alaska  Helmets  to Hardhats,  shared                                                               
that  he was  in  the U.S.  Marine  Corps for  eight  years as  a                                                               
machine gunner,  five years  in the U.S.  Army as  a paratrooper,                                                               
and currently serves in the  Alaska National Guard.  He expressed                                                               
appreciation  for  the  bill  sponsor's  work  to  take  care  of                                                               
veterans.    He  expressed  support for  tangible  assistance  to                                                               
service members who are in transition and seeking stable work.                                                                  
1:36:22 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR TUCK questioned why DoD does  not make veteran hire part of                                                               
procurement policy.                                                                                                             
MR. WALL expressed uncertainty.                                                                                                 
CHAIR TUCK added that DoD has a robust procurement structure.                                                                   
1:37:34 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE STORY  asked the numbers of  veterans currently in                                                               
apprenticeship programs.                                                                                                        
MR.  WALL  expressed  uncertainty  on this  number;  however,  he                                                               
stated that there were 70  applicants last year, with 30 accepted                                                               
into  construction   apprenticeships.     He  said   the  typical                                                               
acceptance rate is 15 percent to 20 percent.                                                                                    
1:38:43 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WALL,  in response to  a question from Chair  Tuck, explained                                                               
that  Helmets  to  Hardhats  is  a  national  organization  which                                                               
networks veterans  with the  trades.  He  stated that  the Alaska                                                               
branch  goes   further  by   offering  free   introductory  level                                                               
construction training,  as well as interviews  and resume writing                                                               
development, along with other services.                                                                                         
1:40:23 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KAISER added  that Viper Transitions and  Helmets to Hardhats                                                               
work  together in  Alaska providing  resources to  veterans.   He                                                               
explained that  Viper Transitions is a  DoD skill-bridge program,                                                               
and it is broader in terms of job placement and networking.                                                                     
1:41:36 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR TUCK opened public testimony on HJR 32.                                                                                   
1:41:57 PM                                                                                                                    
PAUL  FUHS, Secretary  Treasurer, Arctic  Warfare Museum,  shared                                                               
that  he is  a  veteran and  served in  the  97th Delta  Military                                                               
Intelligence  in the  Vietnam War.    He said  that the  museum's                                                               
mission  is  to recover,  restore,  and  display artifacts.    He                                                               
stated that through  an agreement with Viper  Transitions, when a                                                               
veteran  works  on  such artifacts,  the  experience  is  counted                                                               
toward apprenticeship requirements.   He relayed that the average                                                               
age  of an  aircraft  mechanic is  57  years old.    He said  the                                                               
driving force of the museum is  the issue of veteran suicide, and                                                               
he thanked the  bill sponsor for introducing the  resolution.  He                                                               
explained that  there is a  need for  facilities, and one  of the                                                               
best  facilities  would be  the  Kulis  Air National  Guard  Base                                                               
hanger at the  Ted Stevens International Airport,  which has been                                                               
designated as  a national historic  site because of  its military                                                               
service and  role during natural  disasters.  He stated  that the                                                               
hanger had almost been destroyed,  but those plans have currently                                                               
changed.    He shared  that  the  museum has  identified  several                                                               
artifacts  in  the Aleutian  Islands,  including  up to  12  P-40                                                               
airplanes and  a PBY  Catlina.  He  reiterated that  veterans are                                                               
included  on   these  projects   for  the   museum  as   part  of                                                               
apprenticeship training.   He added that some  veterans enter the                                                               
apprenticeship  program even  before they  leave service,  making                                                               
the transition in their spare time.   In response to the question                                                               
from  Representative  Rauscher  regarding union  involvement,  he                                                               
answered that the  program will be satisfied if  it is considered                                                               
neutral,  with  the  only  requirement  being  the  person  is  a                                                               
1:45:52 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN asked where the P-40 aircraft were found.                                                                 
MR. FUHS  answered that the  planes were found in  the Aleutians;                                                               
however, he gave no further  details because of looting concerns.                                                               
He shared  that the museum  has been working with  the governor's                                                               
office  on a  piece  of legislation  seeking  to provide  further                                                               
protections  towards  these artifacts.    He  explained that  the                                                               
artifacts are  under the  control of the  [Office of  History and                                                               
Archaeology].   He  added that  there is  other equipment  in the                                                               
Aleutian  Islands, including  a PBY  Catlina aircraft  in perfect                                                               
condition at  the bottom of  a lake in  Adak, as well  as several                                                               
Japanese Zero  planes, which  have not been  retrieved.   He said                                                               
the museum  is currently  working on a  Douglas DC-3,  with FedEx                                                               
providing a corner  of its hanger toward  refurbishing the plane.                                                               
He said the agreement is  good until August, underlining the need                                                               
for the National Guard hanger.                                                                                                  
questioned whether.                                                                                                             
MR. FUHS, in  response to Representative Claman,  stated that the                                                               
P-40s were never flown.                                                                                                         
1:47:53 PM                                                                                                                    
DON ETHERIDGE, Lobbyist, American  Federation of Labor - Congress                                                               
of  Industrial Organizations;  Alaska  Works Partnership,  stated                                                               
that the resolution would not preclude  a veteran from being in a                                                               
union.   He explained  that the first  requirement to  be trained                                                               
would  be  that  the  apprentice  shows  up  on  time  and  takes                                                               
instructions.  He added that  veterans have already learned this.                                                               
He  stated that,  if the  veterans are  provided with  good jobs,                                                               
there might be less military suicide and homelessness.                                                                          
1:49:27 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE   STORY   asked   how   many   veterans   are   in                                                               
apprenticeship programs.                                                                                                        
MR. ETHERIDGE  responded that  he does  not have  this data.   He                                                               
explained that  the Helmets  to Hardhats program  is part  of the                                                               
Alaska Works Partnership.                                                                                                       
1:50:16 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER asked how many veterans are unemployed.                                                                 
MR.  ETHERIDGE  suggested  that   the  Department  of  Labor  and                                                               
Workforce Development might have this data.                                                                                     
1:50:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR TUCK  commented that, in  past studies comparing  union and                                                               
nonunion  apprenticeship  programs,  the union  programs  have  a                                                               
higher success rate in providing viable careers.                                                                                
1:51:30 PM                                                                                                                    
MANUAL ACUNA,  Self, shared that he  served 13 years in  the U.S.                                                               
Air Force  as an aircraft maintainer.   He said that  by the time                                                               
he  left  the military,  the  skills  he  had acquired  were  not                                                               
transferable into  the civilian  world.   Upon finding  out about                                                               
the Helmets to  Hardhats program, he is now  a fifth-year wireman                                                               
apprentice  in IBEW.    He said  he  can attest  to  how his  own                                                               
experience in  the military is  translatable to  the construction                                                               
industry.   He said he worked  many federal jobs because  of past                                                               
experience, which  included working  on F-22s, F-16s,  F-15s, and                                                               
NA-10s  aircraft.    He  said  he  still  has  military  security                                                               
clearance,  which  has helped  make  employment  as a  contractor                                                               
1:54:40 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  TUCK asked  Mr. Acuna  whether if,  before being  accepted                                                               
into an apprenticeship program, he had been nonunion.                                                                           
MR. ACUNA answered  no.  He explained that service  is also about                                                               
the  camaraderie and  being  in  a union  relates  to  this.   He                                                               
expressed the desire to be in  the union for the money, benefits,                                                               
and camaraderie.                                                                                                                
1:55:35 PM                                                                                                                    
BENNO  CLEVELAND,  President,  Alaska  Native  Veterans  Council,                                                               
shared  that  he  is  a   retired  member  of  the  Plumbers  and                                                               
Pipefitters  Local UA  375 in  Fairbanks,  as well  as a  retired                                                               
member of  the civil service.   He shared  that he had  served in                                                               
the  U.S. Army  from 1968  to  1970 and  had served  one year  in                                                               
Vietnam.  He further shared that  he is a purple heart recipient.                                                               
He said that,  once the veterans come home, they  have nothing to                                                               
do.   He  explained  that  once a  veteran  is  accepted into  an                                                               
apprenticeship program,  they go through five  years of training,                                                               
and during the training the  veteran receives healthcare, on-the-                                                               
job training, and pay.  He  said that his past service helped him                                                               
get work on Eielson Air Force Base  from 1989 to 1991 and at Fort                                                               
Wainwright  from  1991  to  2016.   He  stated  that,  concerning                                                               
apprentices in the trades, the  federal government has moved away                                                               
from  hiring  apprentices; instead,  it  has  been using  private                                                               
contractors.   He added  that these  contractors will  often hire                                                               
union members.  He said  that through the apprenticeship program,                                                               
a veteran can  provide for himself and his family.   He expressed                                                               
the opinion  that, once  out of the  military, veterans  are lost                                                               
and feel no reason to live,  and this brings thoughts of suicide.                                                               
He stressed that  the suicide rate is high at  the military bases                                                               
in Alaska.   He thanked  the sponsor  for introducing HJR  32 and                                                               
the committee.                                                                                                                  
2:01:11 PM                                                                                                                    
BRAD BALDRIDGE,  Self, expressed support  for HJR 32.   He shared                                                               
that he is  an IBEW member.   He said that asking  for 10 percent                                                               
of the workers to be in the  military is not asking for much, and                                                               
the figure should be closer to 50  percent.  He added that HJR 32                                                               
would encourage apprenticeships to employ more veterans.                                                                        
2:02:32 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN expressed agreement  with the percentage in                                                               
the proposed resolution.                                                                                                        
2:02:52 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER  expressed the opinion that  questions do                                                               
not  always  relate to  contention,  rather  they may  relate  to                                                               
2:03:08 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  TUCK concurred  with  the statement.    He questioned  Mr.                                                               
Baldridge whether  he would  support 50  percent veteran  hire in                                                               
the proposed resolution.                                                                                                        
MR. BALDRIDGE  answered yes,  adding he  supports the  people who                                                               
serve the country.                                                                                                              
2:04:12 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY  suggested  that,  with good  data  on  the                                                               
number of veterans being currently  hired, the correct percentage                                                               
could be determined.                                                                                                            
CHAIR  TUCK  concurred  and  said  that when  he  served  on  the                                                               
apprenticeship  interview   committee,  veterans  tended   to  be                                                               
admitted into the programs.                                                                                                     
2:05:19 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  TUCK,  after  ascertaining  that no  one  else  wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony on HJR 32.                                                                                     
2:05:47 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE NELSON  moved Amendment 1  to HJR 32,  labeled 32-                                                               
LS1381\A.1, Klein, 3/8/22, which read as follows:                                                                               
     Page 2, following line 3:                                                                                                  
          Insert new material to read:                                                                                          
          "WHEREAS veterans transition training program                                                                         
        have successfully reduced incidences of veteran                                                                         
          suicide, and"                                                                                                         
CHAIR TUCK objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                              
2:06:12 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE   NELSON  explained   that  the   amendment  would                                                               
highlight why veteran transition programs are important.                                                                        
2:06:35 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  TUCK  commented  that registered  apprenticeship  programs                                                               
create a  culture, and  this is  a benefit.   He referred  to Mr.                                                               
Acuna,  who   testified  that  the   reason  he  had   joined  an                                                               
apprenticeship program was because of the camaraderie.                                                                          
CHAIR  TUCK  shared  that  a  family  member  has  recently  been                                                               
accepted into an apprenticeship  program, which helped the person                                                               
not only  to develop a  trade, but  also character.   He stressed                                                               
that having camaraderie  helps veterans make the  transition.  He                                                               
removed  his  objection.    There  being  no  further  objection,                                                               
Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                                        
2:08:16 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR TUCK announced that HJR 32 was held over.                                                                                 
2:08:41 PM                                                                                                                    
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Special Committee on Military and Veterans' Affairs* meeting was                                                                
adjourned at 2:09 P.M.                                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HJR 32 Version A 03.02.2022.PDF HMLV 3/15/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJR 32
HJR 32 Hearing Request 03.02.2022.pdf HMLV 3/15/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJR 32
HJR 32 Sponsor Statement 03.02.2022.pdf HMLV 3/15/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJR 32
HJR 32 Fiscal Note HMLV 03.07.2022.pdf HMLV 3/15/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJR 32
HJR 32 Testimony - Received as of 03.10.2022.pdf HMLV 3/15/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJR 32
HJR32S~4.PDF HMLV 3/15/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJR 32
HJR 32 Supporting Document BLS Employment status of veterans by state 03.02.2022.pdf HMLV 3/15/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJR 32
HJR32S~2.PDF HMLV 3/15/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJR 32
HJR 32 Amendment A.1 Adopted 03.17.2022.pdf HMLV 3/15/2022 1:00:00 PM
HJR 32