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01/16/2023 10:00 AM House LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL

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+ I. Committee Business TELECONFERENCED
a. Sanctioning of Charitable Events
b. Approval of Legislative Legal Services
Priority Policy as Amended December 19, 2022
c. Further Amendment to Legislative Legal
Services Priority Policy
d. Legislative Staff Session Housing Stipend
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                   ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                   
                     LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL                                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
                       JANUARY 16, 2023                                                                                       
                           10:00 AM                                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
   MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                            
   Representative Sara Hannan, Chair                                                                                          
   Senator Lora Reinbold, Vice Chair                                                                                          
   Representative Matt Claman                                                                                                 
   Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                
   Representative Neal Foster                                                                                                 
   Representative Louise Stutes                                                                                               
   Representative Cathy Tilton                                                                                                
   Representative Chris Tuck                                                                                                  
   Senator Peter Micciche                                                                                                     
   Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                       
   Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
   MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                             
   Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                       
   Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                      
   Senator Shelley Hughes (alternate)                                                                                         
   Senator Mike Shower                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
   OTHER MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                      
   Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                              
   Representative Kevin McCabe                                                                                                
   Representative Dan Ortiz                                                                                                   
   Representative Calvin Schrage                                                                                              
   Senator Tom Begich                                                                                                         
   Senator Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
   AGENDA                                                                                                                     
   APPROVAL OF AGENDA                                                                                                         
   COMMITTEE BUSINESS                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
   SPEAKER REGISTER                                                                                                           
   Jessica Geary, Executive Director, Legislative Affairs                                                                     
   Agency (LAA)                                                                                                               
   Megan Wallace, Legal Services Director, LAA                                                                                
   Emily Nauman, Legal Services Deputy Director, LAA                                                                          
   Mindy Kissner, Finance Manager, LAA                                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
I. CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
10:05:29 AM                                                                                                                 
CHAIR HANNAN  called the Legislative  Council meeting  to order                                                               
at 10:05  am on  January 16,  2023. Present  at the  call were:                                                               
Representatives   Claman,  Edgmon,   Foster,  Hannan,   Stutes,                                                               
Tilton, Tuck; Senators Micciche, Stedman, Reinbold, Stevens.                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
Eleven members present.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
10:06:35 AM                                                                                                                 
VICE CHAIR REINBOLD moved that  Legislative Council approve the                                                               
agenda as presented.  She then objected to amend  the agenda to                                                               
add   a   policy  discussion   regarding   legislators   facing                                                               
litigation in their official capacity.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE TILTON agreed there  should be discussion on the                                                               
item.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK  stated out  of  respect for  an  outgoing                                                               
legislator, he would like to see the item added to the agenda.                                                                
                                                                                                                              
10:09:32 AM                                                                                                                 
A roll call vote was taken to amend the agenda.                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
YEAS: Representatives Tilton, Tuck; Senator Reinbold                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
NAYS:   Representatives   Claman,   Edgmon,   Foster,   Hannan,                                                               
        Stutes; Senators Stedman, Stevens                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
The motion to amend the agenda failed 3-7.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
10:11:09 AM                                                                                                                 
A roll call vote was taken to approve the agenda as presented.                                                                
                                                                                                                              
YEAS:   Representatives   Claman,   Edgmon,   Foster,   Hannan,                                                               
        Stutes, Tilton, Tuck; Senators Micciche, Stedman,                                                                     
        Reinbold, Stevens                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
NAYS: None                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
The motion passed 11-0.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
III. COMMITTEE BUSINESS                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
A. Sanctioning of Charitable Events                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:11:59 AM                                                                                                                 
VICE CHAIR REINBOLD moved and  asked unanimous consent that the                                                               
Legislative  Council  ratify  the Chairs   sanctioning  of  the                                                               
following charitable  events per AS 24.60.080(a)(2)(B)  for the                                                               
Governors   Inaugural  Celebration  in Juneau  on  January  20,                                                               
2023;  Fairbanks  on January  28,  2023;  and in  Anchorage  on                                                               
February 18, 2023.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR  HANNAN objected  for purposes  of  discussion and  noted                                                               
that,  as Chair,  she had  sanctioned these  events, which  now                                                               
need  to be  ratified, and  verified  the Governor's  Inaugural                                                               
Committee   was  a   501(c)(3)  organization.   There  was   no                                                               
discussion,  Chair   Hannan  removed  her  objection   and  the                                                               
sanctioning of these events was ratified unanimously.                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
B. Approval of  Legislative Legal  Services Priority Policy  as                                                             
   Amended December 19, 2022                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR HANNAN  stated that  this item  includes approval  of the                                                               
priority policy as amended December  19, 2022; consideration of                                                               
an   additional  amendment;   and   a   determination  of   the                                                               
implementation timeline of the amended policy.                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
10:13:51 AM                                                                                                                 
VICE  CHAIR  REINBOLD  moved  and asked  that  the  Legislative                                                               
Council adopt  the Legislative  Legal Services  Priority Policy                                                               
dated December 19, 2022.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR  HANNAN objected  for purposes  of  discussion and  asked                                                               
Megan Wallace and Emily Nauman to speak to this item.                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
EMILY NAUMAN,  Deputy Director  of Legal Services,  stated that                                                               
both amendments made  to the priority policy in  the meeting in                                                               
December were done by a verbal  motion with nothing in writing.                                                               
Additional small  changes were made  to the language  to ensure                                                               
the amendments  fit with  the existing  priority policy  and to                                                               
address details  not considered  in the  meeting [Number  10 of                                                               
the priority  policy]:  (1) clarification  that the  10 measure                                                               
limit for  individual legislators was  per session (10  for the                                                               
first session and 10 for the  second session of a legislature);                                                               
(2) the  individual legislator  request deadline was  the first                                                               
sixty days  of the first session  of a legislature  and thirty-                                                               
five days for the second session  to coincide with the existing                                                               
personal  bill  deadline;  (3)   adding  language  for  special                                                               
sessions called by the governor  that priority will be given to                                                               
measures that are  the subject of the special  session; and (4)                                                               
including committee-sponsored measures that have no limit.                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK  asked  for   clarification  that  if  the                                                               
governor calls a special session,  the bills are limited to the                                                               
scope he  proposes, but when  the Legislature  calls themselves                                                               
in, there is no limit.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
MS. NAUMAN  responded that  the ten-bill  limit would  apply if                                                               
the Legislature called a special session.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
In  response to  questions  from  Senator Stevens,  Ms.  Nauman                                                               
stated  that individual  drafting  requests regularly  exceeded                                                               
ten  measures,  referred members  to  the meeting  packet  that                                                               
included  detail showing  several members  had introduced  more                                                               
                                nd                                                                                            
than twenty  bills during the 32   Legislature; and  noted that                                                               
the number of drafting requests  greatly exceeded the number of                                                               
bills introduced.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
SENATOR  STEVENS asked  if  the amended  policy  would help  to                                                               
control the Legal Services workload.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
MS. NAUMAN  said it  will have the  effect of  reorganizing the                                                               
work so  that after  a legislator has  requested ten  bills and                                                               
after  the  sixtieth  day,  any new  bill  requests  from  that                                                               
legislator will be  a lower priority in a  drafters  queue. All                                                               
bill  requests will  eventually  be drafted,  this just  allows                                                               
staff to more efficiently prioritize their workload.                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
SENATOR  STEVENS noted  that nobody's  bill  requests would  be                                                               
disqualified, just fall to the  bottom of the priority list. He                                                               
asked if Legal Services agreed  that before this policy change,                                                               
some bill requests were unable  to be addressed timely and that                                                               
having some  controls means the  work will be  more efficiently                                                               
done. Ms. Nauman confirmed that was her belief.                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR  HANNAN  interjected  that  the  term  'limit'  could  be                                                               
misleading;  there  is  no  limit  to the  number  of  bills  a                                                               
legislator  can  request,  it  just  changes  the  priority  of                                                               
individual requests after ten.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
MS.  NAUMAN, in  response  to a  question  from Speaker  Stutes                                                               
about whether the limit was  applied to pre-file requests, said                                                               
for  the  Thirty-Second  Legislature  a  lot  of  the  pre-file                                                               
requests occurred before the amended  policy was adopted, so it                                                               
is  something  Council  will  need to  address  later  in  this                                                               
meeting;  however, in  the future,  pre-file  requests will  be                                                               
counted toward the ten request priority limit.                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE  EDGMON asked  that in  the first  session of  a                                                               
two-year  legislature, if  an individual  member requested  ten                                                               
bills and  workload for  Legal continued to  be high  after the                                                               
personal bill  deadline, is  it presumed  that Legal  will work                                                               
over the  interim on  some of those  lower priority  bill draft                                                               
requests or  will the  intent be  to get  them done  during the                                                               
regular session.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
MS. NAUMAN  responded it is always  Legal's goal to  finish all                                                               
drafting in a timely manner. The  time it takes to draft a bill                                                               
depends primarily on  the complexity of the subject.  If a bill                                                               
request comes  in after  the personal bill  deadline, but  is a                                                               
very simple bill  or a duplicate of a  previously drafted bill,                                                               
the new  draft would  be done fairly  quickly; the  drafting of                                                               
more complex bills may continue into the interim.                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE  EDGMON,  citing  an  example  from  a  previous                                                               
legislature of a member introducing  16 personal bills near the                                                               
end of the  session, said he  thinks this is a good  start, and                                                               
would  support a  stronger and  more definitive  policy in  the                                                               
future.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN asked what  the numbers were looking like                                                               
for the Thirty-Third Legislature.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
MEGAN WALLACE,  Director of Legal  Services, said  the requests                                                               
for  drafts  this  session  range   from  zero  to  twelve  per                                                               
legislator, so  there are a few  members that have  reached ten                                                               
this session. Some  of those requests may have  been made prior                                                               
to the  policy being  amended as  Legal Services  receives pre-                                                               
file requests before the current legislature has adjourned.                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK recognized the  hard work of Legal Services                                                               
on  behalf  of  all  legislators and  thanked  them  for  their                                                               
dedication. He  said he felt  this policy  was a result  of the                                                               
actions of a  small number of legislators and  was very pleased                                                               
that the recommendation was to  prioritize bill requests rather                                                               
than limit. He  asked for clarification on if it  was ten bills                                                               
requested or ten bills introduced;  Ms. Nauman confirmed it was                                                               
ten bills  requested.  He followed  up to ask  if a  legislator                                                               
could withdraw  a bill  request upon  discovering that  another                                                               
legislator had requested  the same bill be  drafted; Ms. Nauman                                                               
confirmed that canceling a bill request was allowed.                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE  TILTON  asked  that  if an  existing  bill  was                                                               
previously drafted  but had to  be changed, does that  count as                                                               
part of a legislator's ten bill priority limit.                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
MS.  NAUMAN stated  that an  update  to an  existing bill  (one                                                               
drafted for  the current legislature)  does not count as  a new                                                               
bill,  but if  a bill  drafted  in a  previous legislature  was                                                               
requested for the current legislature,  it would count as a new                                                               
bill and toward the ten request  priority limit, even if it was                                                               
a duplicate of the past bill.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE  TILTON   asked  if   it  was  possible   for  a                                                               
legislator to re-prioritize their individual bill requests.                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
MS.  NAUMAN  said  if  the   legislation  was  still  in  Legal                                                               
Services, that would  be possible and repeated that  it was the                                                               
goal of Legal  Services to draft all bill requests  in a timely                                                               
manner.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
MS. WALLACE added  that an option available  to legislators was                                                               
to  ask leadership  to request  that their  individual bill  be                                                               
prioritized  as leadership  requests are  a higher priority  in                                                               
the  policy;   alternatively,  the   legislator  could   ask  a                                                               
committee  to submit the  bill request,  as committee  requests                                                               
are  the  same  priority  as  the first  ten  measures  for  an                                                               
individual legislator.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
MS. NAUMAN,  in response to  a comment by Senator  Reinbold and                                                               
to ensure a correct record, said  that any bill that requires a                                                               
new work  order will count toward  the priority limit  for bill                                                               
requests; a new version of an existing bill does not.                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
DISCUSSION  FOLLOWED regarding  limiting  the  number of  bills                                                               
introduced by the  governor (beyond the scope  of this policy),                                                               
if the  amendments change the  power of the  presiding officers                                                               
(they do not), and Legal Services staffing options.                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
MS.  WALLACE, in  response to  a  question from  Representative                                                               
Tuck, said  the current  priority policy  not only  prioritizes                                                               
based  on  the number  of  requests,  but  also makes  a  clear                                                               
delineation in terms of the timing  of those requests. It was a                                                               
policy decision  that requests made  after the sixtieth  day of                                                               
the  first   session   would  fall  to   the  lowest   priority                                                               
irrespective of  how many requests a legislator  had previously                                                               
made based  on the  anticipated workload at  that stage  in the                                                               
session.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
SENATOR STEDMAN  said that  looking at  the charts,  it's clear                                                               
that at  least half  of legislators  do not  go over  ten bills                                                               
and, if  they do, they can ask  a colleague to file  their good                                                               
idea or be a  co-sponsor. He said there is no  intent to stifle                                                               
the legislative process, so if  there are 'barnacles' with this                                                               
policy change, Council  can modify as necessary.  He noted that                                                               
one legislator  had more than  35 bill requests and  while they                                                               
may all be  good ideas, they aren't all number  one good ideas,                                                               
so  he feels  that  there  has been  abuse  of  the system  for                                                               
tactical and political reasons and this is a good start.                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
SENATE  PRESIDENT  MICCICHE  said  that  Council  pursued  this                                                               
option to  address those  legislators significantly  outside of                                                               
the  mean without  limiting access  and  within existing  Legal                                                               
Services resources so there wouldn't  be a dramatic increase in                                                               
cost  to the  Legislature  by adding  attorneys.  He asked  for                                                               
confirmation  of  his assumption  that  the  work necessary  to                                                               
draft individual bill requests after  the priority limit of ten                                                               
would not result  in attorney overtime, but would  occur as the                                                               
normal workday and workload allowed.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
MS.  WALLACE   confirmed  that  his  assumption   was  correct,                                                               
continuing that  this clear policy  direction will  allow Legal                                                               
Services  to better  prioritize  staff workloads  and to  limit                                                               
overtime to higher priority items.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR  HANNAN indicated  she was  ready to  vote on the  motion                                                               
then recognized Representative Claman.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
10:42:45 AM                                                                                                                 
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN moved that  Legislative Council amend the                                                               
Legal  Services Priority  Policy  dated December  19, 2022,  to                                                               
specify  that priority  within each  category shall  be in  the                                                               
order  the  request   was  taken  and  in   proportion  to  all                                                               
legislators making requests within the same category.                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
VICE-CHAIR REINBOLD objected.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
10:43:06 AM                                                                                                                 
CHAIR HANNAN called a brief at ease.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
10:44:26 AM                                                                                                                 
CHAIR HANNAN called  the meeting back to  order. She apologized                                                               
for any confusion and clarified  that Representative Claman was                                                               
offering  an  amendment to  the  motion  to approve  the  Legal                                                               
Services Priority Policy dated December 19, 2022.                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN   stated  that  that  the   language  he                                                               
proposes to amend is the last  sentence on page two that reads,                                                               
"Priority  within  each category  shall  be  in the  order  the                                                               
request was taken"  his motion would add the  language, "and in                                                               
proportion to  all legislators making requests  within the same                                                               
category.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
Representative  Claman,   speaking  to   the  reason   for  his                                                               
amendment,  provided  an  example  that if  there  is  a  floor                                                               
session and  Legislator X requests  fifty amendments  and three                                                               
other legislators  each request one amendment  after Legislator                                                               
X  submitted fifty  requests,  this  policy  change would  give                                                               
Legal  Services  the  ability  to draft  the  single  amendment                                                               
requests  before  drafting  all  fifty  amendment  requests  by                                                               
Legislator X.  This policy makes the amendment  request process                                                               
fair and equitable.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE   CLAMAN,  in   response   to   a  request   for                                                               
clarification by Senator Reinbold,  replied that as a matter of                                                               
Legal Services  managing their  workload, it is  reasonable for                                                               
them to  have flexibility  in giving  all legislators  a decent                                                               
opportunity  to have  amendments drafted.  He added  that if  a                                                               
legislator submits fifty  amendment requests for a  bill on the                                                               
floor,  perhaps   they  should  take  some   responsibility  in                                                               
prioritizing their own requests.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
DISCUSSION   FOLLOWED   regarding   additional   requests   for                                                               
clarification by  Senator Reinbold of Representative  Claman' s                                                               
amendment language  and intent,  specific mention  of fairness,                                                               
equity,  nonpartisan  support,  and  workload  management.  Ms.                                                               
Wallace summarized  that this language provided  Legal Services                                                               
the flexibility  to respond  to as many  requests from  as many                                                               
members as possible and noted  that the changes to the priority                                                               
policy are explained on page five of her memo.                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
SENATOR STEDMAN  said it  might help  the public  to understand                                                               
that a  lot of the  bill requests  or amendments never  see the                                                               
light of  day, it is  just tactical  maneuvering to gum  up the                                                               
system,  drive up the  cost and  make us  less efficient.  With                                                               
this policy, Council is trying  to un-gum the system, lower the                                                               
cost, and make us more efficient.  If members are uncomfortable                                                               
with these limits, they should  be doing the work in committee.                                                               
He  said he  looks forward  to implementing  these changes  and                                                               
Council can revisit in the future.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
10:55:33 AM                                                                                                                 
A roll call vote was taken.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
YEAS:   Representatives Claman, Edgmon, Foster, Hannan, Stutes,                                                             
        Tilton, Tuck; Senators Micciche, Stedman, Stevens                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
NAYS:  Senator Reinbold                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
The motion to amend passed 10-1.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
10:56:35 AM                                                                                                                 
CHAIR HANNAN called a brief at ease.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
10:57:16 AM                                                                                                                 
CHAIR HANNAN called the meeting back to order.                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
10:58:38 AM                                                                                                                 
VICE CHAIR  REINBOLD moved that  Legislative Council  amend the                                                               
Legal Services  Priority  Policy dated  December 19, 2022,  and                                                               
amended on January 16, 2023.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
10:59:42 AM                                                                                                                 
A roll call vote was taken.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
YEAS:   Representatives Claman, Edgmon, Foster, Hannan, Stutes,                                                             
        Tilton, Tuck; Senators Micciche, Stedman, Stevens                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
NAYS:  Senator Reinbold                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
The  motion to  adopt  the Legal  Services  Priority Policy  as                                                               
amended passed 10-1.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
C. Further Amendment  to  Legislative  Legal Services  Priority                                                             
   Policy                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR HANNAN  explained that the  next decision for  Council is                                                               
to  determine  the  implementation  timeline  of  the  priority                                                               
policy  for  the Thirty-third  Legislature;  specifically  with                                                               
regard  to when  the ten request  priority  limit will  go into                                                               
effect since  several legislators had submitted  requests prior                                                               
to Council setting the priority limit.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
11:01:54 AM                                                                                                                 
SPEAKER STUTES  moved that the policy be  implemented effective                                                               
on January  17, 2023, and that  any drafting that  has occurred                                                               
prior  to that  date  is not  included in  the  limits of  this                                                               
policy.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE  TILTON  agreed  that   the  start  date  should                                                               
coincide  with the  start of  the new  legislature which  would                                                               
provide parity to  all legislators. She asked  that memo should                                                               
go out to all members for legislation planning purposes.                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
MS. WALLACE,  in response  to a  question from  Senator Stedman                                                               
about  the  effects   of  the  implementation   date  on  Legal                                                               
Services' workload,  said that most  of the bill  requests have                                                               
been completed  and sent  out. She said  Legal Services  has no                                                               
recommendation  on  this  policy decision  and  believed  there                                                               
would be minimal impact to the workload either way.                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
Ms.  Wallace,  in  response  to  a  clarification  question  by                                                               
Representative Tuck,  said that  the choice before  members now                                                               
is  an implementation  date  of either  December  19, 2022,  or                                                               
January 17, 2023;  the handling of early bill  requests was not                                                               
discussed  at  the  December   19,  2022,  Council  meeting  so                                                               
clarification on the implementation  date would be appreciated.                                                               
She went on to explain to members  that the motions approved to                                                               
amend the  priority policy in  December 2022 were a  mixture of                                                               
written and  verbal, and Legal  Services wanted to  ensure that                                                               
the finally amended  policy was what Council  had intended and,                                                               
additionally, to  request an  implementation date as  that item                                                               
was not discussed in the December 2022 meeting.                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
DISCUSSION FOLLOWED  to again  request that a  memo be  sent to                                                               
all legislators  regarding  the changes  to the Legal  Services                                                               
Priority   Policy;  in   support  of   equal  access   for  all                                                               
legislators; and in general support for the motion.                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
11:10:45 AM                                                                                                                 
A roll call vote was taken.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
YEAS:   Representatives Claman, Edgmon, Foster, Hannan, Stutes,                                                             
        Tilton, Tuck; Senators Micciche, Reinbold, Stevens                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
NAYS:   Senator Stedman                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
The motion to implement the  policy effective January 17, 2023,                                                               
passed 10-1.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
D. Legislative Staff Session Housing Stipend                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR  HANNAN explained  that  this issue  has  been raised  by                                                               
several legislators  concerned about recruitment  and retention                                                               
of  legislative staff.  She asked  Ms. Geary  and Ms.  Kissner,                                                               
Finance  Manager,  to  summarize   the  history  of  the  staff                                                               
stipend.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
11:12:07 AM                                                                                                                 
CHAIR HANNAN called a brief at ease.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
11:12:37 AM                                                                                                                 
CHAIR HANNAN called the meeting back to order.                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
SPEAKER STUTES moved that Legislative  Council table this issue                                                               
and that  it be  brought up  when the Thirty-Third  Legislative                                                               
Council has been seated.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
11:13:07 AM                                                                                                                 
CHAIR HANNAN called a brief at ease.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
11:15:44 AM                                                                                                                 
CHAIR HANNAN called the meeting back to order.                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR  HANNAN,  in response  to  an  objection to  the  motion,                                                               
indicated a  motion to table  is not debatable and  requested a                                                               
roll call vote.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
11:16:02 AM                                                                                                                 
A roll call vote was taken.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
YEAS:   Representatives  Stutes,  Tilton;   Senators  Micciche,                                                               
        Stedman                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
NAYS:   Representatives Claman,  Edgmon, Foster,  Hannan, Tuck,                                                               
        Senators Reinbold, Stevens                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
The motion to table failed 4-7.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR HANNAN asked Ms. Geary and  Ms. Kissner, to speak to this                                                               
item.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
MINDY  KISSNER, Finance  Manager with  the Legislative  Affairs                                                               
Agency, said  that in 2019,  Legislative Council adopted  a $30                                                               
per day  lodging stiped  for staff  relocating to  the capital.                                                               
This  amount matches  the  long  term, noncommercial  per  diem                                                               
allocated by the  executive branch. LAA was asked  to provide a                                                               
break down  on what it would  cost if the staff  lodging stiped                                                               
was  increased;  using  $5 increments,  the  budget  impact  of                                                               
increasing  the  staff  lodging  stipend  to  $35  per  day  is                                                               
$78,000, $40 per day is $156,000, and $45 per day is $234,000.                                                                
                                                                                                                              
Ms. Kissner,  in response to  a question from  Senator Stedman,                                                               
said that the  current long term lodging  stipend for executive                                                               
branch employees is $30 per day.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
DISCUSSION   FOLLOWED  about   the  rate   when  adjusted   for                                                               
inflation;  Ms.  Geary  noted  that the  average  rent  on  the                                                               
Legislative  Housing List  has increased  approximately $200  a                                                               
month since 2020  when the policy was first  implemented, which                                                               
would equate  to an increase of  about $7 a day to  the lodging                                                               
stipend.  Though  the  analysis  was provided  in  $5  per  day                                                               
increments, Council can determine the increase.                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE FOSTER  noted that the original  lodging stipend                                                               
was approximately $900 a month;  with rents averaging $1500 per                                                               
month for  apartments and $2100  per month for  a single-family                                                               
home, he  said he was comfortable  with an increase of  $20 per                                                               
day, making the monthly stipend $1500.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE   TILTON  stated   her  support  for   retaining                                                               
legislative staff  and that she  was concerned that  the rental                                                               
rates for  session housing were  increased based on  the amount                                                               
of the  staff lodging  stipend. She expressed  that it  was her                                                               
personal opinion  that it would  be better to have  sessions on                                                               
the road system and asked if it  was possible to do an analysis                                                               
of the  rate increase from 2020,  when the lodging  stipend was                                                               
implemented, to current rental rates.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
MS. KISSNER said  that in 2020 the housing  list had apartments                                                               
averaging $1300,  ranging from $800-2000, and  houses averaging                                                               
$1900 a month, ranging from $1050-3200.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
SENATOR STEDMAN said  he would be comfortable  with an increase                                                               
of  $7.50  to   keep  even  with  inflation   and  agreed  with                                                               
Representative  Tilton's  concern   that  raising  the  lodging                                                               
stipend could  have an impact on  rental rates. He said  it was                                                               
reasonable to  adjust the lodging  stipend every few  years for                                                               
inflation or have a periodic  review by Legislative Council. He                                                               
finished by saying that for those  that feel the road system is                                                               
a good  place, he  would recommend  putting  the Capitol  on an                                                               
island as it would make everyone more productive.                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK,  noting  that the  $900  monthly  stipend                                                               
amount was about  70% of the average monthly  apartment rate of                                                               
$1300 in  2020, and 70% of  the 2023 average  monthly apartment                                                               
rate  of  $1500 is  about  $1055,  so  he agreed  with  Senator                                                               
Stedman's recommendation of raising the stipend $7.50 a day.                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON said he  supports in concept of approving                                                               
the highest  increase for the  lodging stipend but  with worker                                                               
shortages  all  across  Alaska,   he  is  concerned  about  the                                                               
perception. He  mentioned the  Assembly Building, which  may be                                                               
made available  to legislative staff  at no cost; the  call for                                                               
pay  raises  in  the  public  and  private  sector;  the  State                                                               
Officers   Compensation   Commission  recommending   a   salary                                                               
increase for commissioners  from $136,000 to  $168,000; and the                                                               
issue of legislator  compensation which will  probably come up.                                                               
He said  this is difficult for  him, that one could  argue that                                                               
the highest  increase  is inadequate,  but he believes  Council                                                               
also needs to consider the perception of this policy decision.                                                                
                                                                                                                              
SENATE  PRESIDENT  MICCICHE  said Council  has  been  reviewing                                                               
numbers  for  months  and he  believes  the  information  being                                                               
provided is correct. There is  fierce competition for employees                                                               
and members  cannot  do their  jobs without  staff. He  said he                                                               
thought  there were several  options  for the executive  branch                                                               
and how  they pay  per diem,  but the  Legislature has  one. He                                                               
said looking  at the increased  costs and trends over  the past                                                               
decade, taking into  account that the Legislature  will soon be                                                               
adding 33  units, which  may relieve  some market  pressure, he                                                               
was willing to  make a motion to increase the  daily stipend by                                                               
$10  for  the  Thirty-Third Legislature.  He  said  Legislative                                                               
Council can re-evaluate going forward.  He ended by saying that                                                               
he understands  staff face a  hardship, that he's  heard rumors                                                               
of new  staff sleeping  on inflatable beds  and said  he thinks                                                               
the Legislature wants  good staff who are  well-rested and able                                                               
to serve.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
11:29:39 AM                                                                                                                 
SENATE PRESIDENT  MICCICHE moved  that Legislative  Council add                                                               
$10 to the  Moving and Travel Policy and  staff lodging stipend                                                               
for the Thirty-Third Legislature.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE  TILTON objected to  ask since  it is  still the                                                               
Thirty-Second  Legislature,  would  this  motion  encumber  the                                                               
Thirty-Third Legislature and are  there existing funds to cover                                                               
this increase.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
MS. GEARY responded that the  motion as drafted also requests a                                                               
supplemental in  the FY23 budget  and an increment in  the FY24                                                               
budget,  and  the  budget  request would  go  before  the  next                                                               
Legislative Council.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
SENATOR  STEDMAN asked  if the  Legislature increased  salaries                                                               
last year for legislative staff.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
MS. GEARY stated  that there was a five percent  cost of living                                                               
adjustment effective October 31, 2022.  She added that this was                                                               
the  first  one   that  legislative  and  other   exempt  staff                                                               
received, while  the executive  branch employees  in bargaining                                                               
unions have been getting regular increases.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
SENATOR  STEDMAN stated  that  the Legislature  has  not had  a                                                               
raise in over a decade or longer.  He said he thinks the target                                                               
rate is  better set at $7.50,  which is close to  the inflation                                                               
rate, and  if other  issues surface the  next Council  can deal                                                               
with it.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
11:32:53 AM                                                                                                                 
SENATOR  STEDMAN moved  to  amend  Senate President  Micciche's                                                               
motion to change the increase from $10 a day to $7.50 a day.                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
DISCUSSION  FOLLOWED regarding  the  need to  state the  entire                                                               
motion for the record with the figure of $7.50 a day.                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
11:34:32 AM                                                                                                                 
VICE CHAIR  REINBOLD moved that  the Legislative  Council amend                                                               
the  Moving and  Travel Policy  to increase  the staff  lodging                                                               
stipend  to a  total of  $37.50  per day  effective January  1,                                                               
2023. She  further moved that  the Legislative  Council support                                                               
the FY 2023 supplemental request  and FY 2024 increment request                                                               
for the  amount of  $117,000 for  consideration by  the Finance                                                               
Committee to fund this increase.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
11:35:14 AM                                                                                                                 
CHAIR HANNAN called a brief at ease.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
11:38:54 AM                                                                                                                 
CHAIR HANNAN  called the meeting  back to order  and, following                                                               
parliamentary procedure, asked both  Senator Stedman and Senate                                                               
President Micciche to withdraw their motions.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
SENATOR STEDMAN withdrew his motion  to amend $10 a day down to                                                               
$7.50 a day.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
SENATOR MICCICHE withdrew his original motion.                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
11:39:43 AM                                                                                                                 
VICE  CHAIR   REINBOLD,  restating   the  motion,   moved  that                                                               
Legislative  Council  amend the  Moving  and  Travel Policy  to                                                               
increase the  staff lodging  stipend to a  total of  $37.50 per                                                               
day  effective   January  1,  2023.  She  further   moved  that                                                               
Legislative Council  support the  FY 2023  supplemental request                                                               
and FY  2024 increment  request in the  amount of  $117,000 for                                                               
consideration by the Finance Committee to fund this increase.                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE FOSTER  objected and  stated his support  of the                                                               
$10 increase.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
11:42:01 AM                                                                                                                 
SENATE  PRESIDENT MICCICHE  moved to  amend the  motion for  an                                                               
increase of  $10 per day or  a total of  $40 per day with  a FY                                                               
2023  supplemental request  and  FY 2024  increment request  of                                                               
$156,000.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
SENATOR  STEDMAN objected  and said he  supported the  original                                                               
motion of $7.50 per day.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK said  that a $7.50 increase  equates to 75%                                                               
of the  average rent  of $1500  and when  combined with  the 5%                                                               
cost of  living adjustment  staff received,  he thought  it was                                                               
adequate.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
VICE  CHAIR REINBOLD  said this  was a  difficult vote  because                                                               
staff  are  listening.   She  said  that  staff   receive  step                                                               
increases,  have  their moving  expenses  paid,  some are  well                                                               
compensated  already,  and this  will  be  an increase  to  the                                                               
budget. She preferred the original  motion, so will likely be a                                                               
'no' vote on this amendment.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON  asked if  this policy only  pertained to                                                               
regular sessions and not special sessions.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
MS. KISSNER affirmed that it was only for regular sessions.                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
11:45:51 AM                                                                                                                 
CHAIR HANNAN called a brief at ease.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
11:46:22 AM                                                                                                                 
CHAIR HANNAN called  the meeting back to order  and requested a                                                               
roll vote on the motion to amend.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
11:47:08 AM                                                                                                                 
A roll call vote was taken.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
YEAS:  Representatives Claman, Foster; Senator Micciche                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
NAYS:   Representatives Edgmon,  Stutes, Tilton,  Hannan, Tuck;                                                               
        Senators Reinbold, Stedman, Stevens                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
The motion to amend failed 3-8.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR  HANNAN said  that brings  Council back  to the  original                                                               
motion of a $7.50 increase to the daily staff lodging stipend.                                                                
                                                                                                                              
11:48:25 AM                                                                                                                 
A roll call vote was taken.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
YEAS:   Representatives Claman, Edgmon, Foster, Hannan, Stutes,                                                             
        Tilton, Tuck; Senators Micciche, Reinbold, Stedman,                                                                   
        Stevens                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
NAYS:  None                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
The motion passed 11-0.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
IV. ADJOURN                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR  HANNAN said  this  was  her last  meeting  as Chair  and                                                               
thanked  members  for their  time  and  service. She  said  she                                                               
learned  a  lot  and  gained much  knowledge  from  her  fellow                                                               
Council members.  There have been twenty-five  Council meetings                                                               
over the last two years that she served as Chair.                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
Chair Hannan said  she specifically wanted to take  the time to                                                               
recognize the extraordinary work  of Executive Director Jessica                                                               
Geary whose professionalism and  tirelessness are immeasurable.                                                               
Until she became Chair, she did  not appreciate the 24/7 nature                                                               
of the job to keep this  institution functioning. Ms. Geary has                                                               
proved  indispensable to  the  Legislature during  some of  the                                                               
most  challenging  times  in  our  history:  during  the  COVID                                                               
pandemic,  creating  policies  never  before  contemplated  and                                                               
contracts  for testing  and quarantining.  Ms.  Geary has  been                                                               
able to  deftly manage the  seemingly endless series  of crises                                                               
in the  last two years,  though maybe  it has always  been that                                                               
way. When things are running  smoothly, legislators are unaware                                                               
of the work going on behind the scenes.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
Chair Hannan continued  that she regularly hears  from Director                                                               
Geary's staff  about the pride  they take and the  respect they                                                               
have  for their  boss.  She is  tremendously  committed to  the                                                               
institution of  the Legislature  and every  one of  her actions                                                               
and decisions  is made with  that commitment in mind.  She said                                                               
Ms. Geary was  her high school student a long,  long, long time                                                               
ago, and to have learned so much  from her has been a privilege                                                               
and an honor.  It has been an  honor to work with  her over the                                                               
last two  years. She wished  Ms. Geary  could take a  week off,                                                               
but since  she cannot,  Chair Hannan said  she offered  a small                                                               
token of flower bouquets with appreciation and respect.                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
Addressing Ms. Geary  directly, Chair Hannan said  it has truly                                                               
been an  honor to work  with her these  last two years  and she                                                               
really wished could  turn her phone off at night  but knows she                                                               
won't. Ms.  Geary hears  from sixty bosses  on a  regular basis                                                               
and the  demands are relentless.  She then opened the  floor to                                                               
other members.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
SENATOR   STEVENS  thanked   Ms.   Geary   as  well   [somewhat                                                               
inaudible].                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
SPEAKER STUTES requested  everyone please give Ms.  Geary a big                                                               
thank you and a round of applause.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
VICE CHAIR REINBOLD expressed that  it was a privilege to serve                                                               
in the Legislature  and on Council with all of  the members and                                                               
offered her  appreciation to  everyone at Legislative  Affairs,                                                               
who  she  said  have  been amazing  from  Accounting  to  Legal                                                               
Services to  so many others  that make the Legislature  work at                                                               
huge  sacrifice.  She ended  with  a  reminder  that we  are  a                                                               
constitutional  republic,  not  a  democracy,  and  that  every                                                               
member takes  a sacred  oath to the  constitution which  is the                                                               
supreme law of  the land. She wished all new  members good luck                                                               
and everyone a nice session.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
SENATE PRESIDENT MICCICHE expressed  his thanks to Chair Hannan                                                               
for  her  service  and  appreciated  her  consistency  and  her                                                               
assertiveness  when necessary  to solve  some tough  issues. He                                                               
offered his  thanks to all at  this meeting, which is  also his                                                               
last.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  thanked Chair  Hannan and said  if Jessica                                                               
Geary is an example of one of  her students, he is grateful for                                                               
her and the impact she has had on all her students.                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR  HANNAN  closed the  meeting  by  saying  it has  been  a                                                               
privilege  to  learn  from  her  fellow  members  as  Chair  of                                                               
Legislative Council and  said they have been  a 'crafty bunch.'                                                               
She noted to Ms.  Geary that all her staff were  in the room as                                                               
well as her husband to see  this recognition. She said the work                                                               
Ms. Geary  does keeps the Legislature  going and as  the Agency                                                               
does its  work, no  one notices  because everything  is running                                                               
smoothly.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
VICE CHAIR REINBOLD moved to adjourn the meeting.                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
With no further business before  the committee, the meeting was                                                               
adjourned at 11:57 AM.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
11:57:06 AM