03/11/2024 03:15 PM House LABOR & COMMERCE
| Audio | Topic | 
|---|---|
| Start | |
| HB189 | |
| HB226 | |
| HB203 | |
| HB175 | |
| HB254 | |
| Adjourn | 
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= bill was previously heard/scheduled
| += | HB 203 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| += | HB 254 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| += | HB 150 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| + | TELECONFERENCED | ||
| *+ | HB 327 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | HB 271 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| += | HB 189 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | HB 226 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| += | HB 175 | TELECONFERENCED | |
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
          HOUSE LABOR AND COMMERCE STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                         
                         March 11, 2024                                                                                         
                           3:20 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Jesse Sumner, Chair                                                                                              
Representative Justin Ruffridge, Vice Chair                                                                                     
Representative Mike Prax                                                                                                        
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
Representative Stanley Wright                                                                                                   
Representative Ashley Carrick                                                                                                   
Representative Zack Fields                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 189                                                                                                              
"An Act  relating to the  sale of  alcohol; and providing  for an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 226                                                                                                              
"An  Act  relating   to  the  Board  of   Pharmacy;  relating  to                                                               
insurance;  relating  to  pharmacies;  relating  to  pharmacists;                                                               
relating  to  pharmacy  benefits managers;  relating  to  patient                                                               
choice of pharmacy; and providing for an effective date."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 203                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to wage payments."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 175                                                                                       
"An  Act relating  to  midwives and  the  practice of  midwifery;                                                               
relating to apprentice midwives;  renaming the Board of Certified                                                               
Direct-Entry  Midwives   as  the  Board  of   Licensed  Midwives;                                                               
relating  to  the  Board  of  Licensed  Midwives;  extending  the                                                               
termination date of  the Board of Licensed  Midwives; relating to                                                               
insurance; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 254                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to liability for publishing or distributing                                                                    
pornography to minors on the Internet."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 254 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 150                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to residential building codes; relating to                                                                     
construction     contractors    and     residential    contractor                                                               
endorsements; and providing for an effective date."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 327                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to the Board of Massage Therapists; and                                                                        
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - BILL HEARING CANCELED                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 271                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to social media and minors; and providing for                                                                  
an effective date."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - BILL HEARING RESCHEDULED TO 3/13/24                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 189                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: SALE OF ALCOHOL BY UNDER 21                                                                                        
SPONSOR(s): LABOR & COMMERCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
05/03/23       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
05/03/23       (H)       L&C                                                                                                    
03/06/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/06/24       (H)       <Bill Hearing Rescheduled to 03/08/24>                                                                 
03/08/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/08/24       (H)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
03/11/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 226                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: PHARMACIES/PHARMACISTS/BENEFITS MANAGERS                                                                           
SPONSOR(s): SUMNER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
01/16/24       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/8/24                                                                                
01/16/24       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/16/24       (H)       HSS, L&C, FIN                                                                                          
02/27/24       (H)       HSS AT 3:00 PM DAVIS 106                                                                               
02/27/24       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/27/24       (H)       MINUTE(HSS)                                                                                            
02/29/24       (H)       HSS AT 3:00 PM DAVIS 106                                                                               
02/29/24       (H)       Moved CSHB 226(HSS) Out of Committee                                                                   
02/29/24       (H)       MINUTE(HSS)                                                                                            
03/04/24       (H)       HSS RPT CS(HSS) 6DP 1NR                                                                                
03/04/24       (H)       DP:   SUMNER,    RUFFRIDGE,   MCCORMICK,                                                               
                         SADDLER, MINA, PRAX                                                                                    
03/04/24       (H)       NR: FIELDS                                                                                             
03/06/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/06/24       (H)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
03/11/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 203                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: PAYMENT OF WAGES; PAYROLL CARD ACCOUNT                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): SUMNER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
05/16/23       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
05/16/23       (H)       L&C                                                                                                    
01/26/24       (H)       BILL REPRINTED                                                                                         
02/09/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/09/24       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
02/16/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/16/24       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
02/23/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/23/24       (H)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
02/28/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/28/24       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
03/01/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/01/24       (H)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
03/04/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/04/24       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/04/24       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/11/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 175                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: BOARD OF LICENSED MIDWIVES                                                                                         
SPONSOR(s): ALLARD                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
04/24/23       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/24/23       (H)       L&C, FIN                                                                                               
04/26/23       (H)       SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE INTRODUCED                                                                          
04/26/23       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/26/23       (H)       L&C, FIN                                                                                               
02/21/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/21/24       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
02/23/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/23/24       (H)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
03/08/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/08/24       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/08/24       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/11/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 254                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: PROHIBIT PORNOGRAPHY TO MINORS                                                                                     
SPONSOR(s): VANCE                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
01/16/24       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/12/24                                                                               
01/16/24       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/16/24       (H)       L&C, JUD                                                                                               
01/31/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
01/31/24       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
01/31/24       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/06/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/06/24       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/06/24       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/11/24       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SARENA HACKENMILLER, Staff                                                                                                      
Representative Jesse Sumner                                                                                                     
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Juneau, Alaska  Presented the  proposed CS                                                             
for HB 189, Version S, on  behalf of the House Labor and Commerce                                                               
Standing    Committee,   sponsor    by   request,    chaired   by                                                               
Representative  Sumner; presented  CSHB  227(L&C),  on behalf  of                                                               
Representative Sumner, prime sponsor.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DAVID MCCARTHY, CEO                                                                                                             
Northern Hospitality Group;                                                                                                     
Owner, 49th State Brewing                                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave invited testimony in support of the                                                                 
proposed CS for HB 189, Version S.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DIANE THOMPSON, President                                                                                                       
Alaska Hospitality Retailers;                                                                                                   
Owner, Firetap Restaurant                                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Gave  invited testimony  in support  of the                                                             
proposed CS for HB 189, Version S.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CODIE COSTELLO, President/COO                                                                                                   
Alaska Center for the Performing Arts;                                                                                          
General Manager, Broadway Alaska                                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Gave  invited testimony  in support  of the                                                             
proposed CS for HB 189, Version S.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BRANDY SEIGNEMARTIN, PharmD, Executive Director                                                                                 
Alaska Pharmacy Association                                                                                                     
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Co-presented a  PowerPoint  presentation,                                                             
entitled "HB 226: Transparency in  Prescription Pricing & Patient                                                               
Freedom of Pharmacy Choice" during the hearing on CSHB 226(HSS).                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DANIEL NELSON, PharmD, Director of Pharmacy                                                                                     
Tanana Chiefs Conference                                                                                                        
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Co-presented a  PowerPoint  presentation,                                                             
entitled "HB 226: Transparency in  Prescription Pricing & Patient                                                               
Freedom of Pharmacy Choice" during the hearing on CSHB 226(HSS).                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ASHLEY SCHABER, Chair                                                                                                           
Alaska Board of Pharmacy                                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska, Alaska                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT:   Gave invited  testimony in support  of CSHB
226(HSS).                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DESIREE MOLINA, Pharmacist                                                                                                      
Three Bears Pharmacy                                                                                                            
Mat-Su, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Gave invited  testimony in support  of CSHB
226(HSS).                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
JENNIFER CAVE, Vice President                                                                                                   
Midwives Association of Alaska;                                                                                                 
Owner, The Nesting Place                                                                                                        
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 175.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
BARBARA NORTON, representing self                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Spoke in opposition to HB 175.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:20:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JESSE SUMNER  called the House Labor  and Commerce Standing                                                             
Committee  meeting to  order at  3:20 p.m.  Representatives Prax,                                                               
Ruffridge,  Saddler, Wright,  Carrick,  Fields,  and Sumner  were                                                               
present at the call to order.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
               HB 189-SALE OF ALCOHOL BY UNDER 21                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:20:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SUMNER announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 189, "An Act  relating to the sale of alcohol; and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:21:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE  moved to  adopt the  proposed committee                                                               
substitute  (CS) for  HB 189,  Version  33-LS0697\S, C.  Radford,                                                               
1/15/24, as the working document.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SUMNER objected.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:22:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SARENA  HACKENMILLER,  Staff,  Representative  Jesse  Sumner,  on                                                               
behalf  of on  behalf of  the House  Labor and  Commerce Standing                                                               
Committee, sponsor by request,  chaired by Representative Sumner,                                                               
paraphrased   the  sponsor   statement  [included   in  committee                                                               
packet], which read as follows:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     HB189  would aim  to change  existing Alaska  statutes,                                                                    
     that would allow  employees between the ages  of 18 and                                                                    
     20  to  sell,  serve,  deliver,  and  dispense  alcohol                                                                    
     within  restaurants  and  other specified  license  and                                                                    
     endorsement types  under appropriate  supervision. This                                                                    
     bill also modifies hours that  a theater license holder                                                                    
     may  serve alcohol  and updates  alcohol warning  signs                                                                    
     content to  include warnings  against certain  types of                                                                    
     cancer.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska  is  one  of  just  three  states  that  require                                                                    
     employees  to be  over the  age of  21 to  sell, serve,                                                                    
     dispense, and  deliver alcohol,  while 39  states allow                                                                    
     servers  to  be  18-20.  HB189  would  create  positive                                                                    
     change by tackling  labor shortages and a  high rate of                                                                    
     turnover in industries affected  by this bill. Now, 18-                                                                    
     to 20-year-olds  who wish to  work in  these industries                                                                    
     will have  the opportunity to move  into positions that                                                                    
     increase   their  earning   potential.  Expanding   the                                                                    
     potential  workforce  strengthens businesses,  allowing                                                                    
     them to  operate at full  capacity, leading  to greater                                                                    
     economic contributions overall.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Many establishments  already implement  robust training                                                                    
     programs   to   ensure  responsible   alcohol   service                                                                    
     practices.  These   measures,  combined   with  on-site                                                                    
     supervision,   could  effectively   ensure  responsible                                                                    
     service by young adults within these industries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     With adequate training  and supervision, employees aged                                                                    
     18-20 can  responsibly and safely handle  alcohol sales                                                                    
     and  service in  a  controlled restaurant  environment.                                                                    
     This change  would benefit Alaska's  economy, alleviate                                                                    
     labor  shortages,  and   promote  fairness  within  our                                                                    
     service industry.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:23:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. HACKENMILLER gave a summary of changes in Version S                                                                         
[included in committee packet], which read as follows:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Version B to Version S                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1: Specifies  that the person under  21 must be                                                                    
     employed.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2: No change.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section  3:  New   section.  Modifies  theater  license                                                                    
     statutes.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section 4:  Prior Section 3. Specifies  that the person                                                                    
     under 21 must be employed.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Section 5: Prior Section 4.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 6:  Prior Section 5. Specifies  that the person                                                                    
     under 21 must be employed.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Section 7: Prior Section 6.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 8: Prior Section 7.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        Section 9: New section. Updates and modifies AS                                                                         
     04.09.049(h).                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section 10. Prior Section 8.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section 11: New section. Repeals AS 04.09.250(d).                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
         Section 12. Prior Section 9. This updates the                                                                          
     effective date to January 1, 2025.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:25:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SUMNER removed his objection.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARRICK object  for the  purposes of  discussion.                                                               
She  asked  Ms. Hackenmiller  to  describe  the modifications  to                                                               
section 3.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. HACKENMILLER said  Section 3 would expand the  time period in                                                               
which a  theater license may  sell and serve alcohol  and removes                                                               
the intermission language.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARRICK removed her objection.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:25:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  objected for  purposes of  discussion and                                                               
asked what a theater license is.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. HACKENMILLER did not know the answer.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER remove  his  objection.   There being  no                                                               
further  objection,   Version  S  was  adopted   as  the  working                                                               
document.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:26:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  MCCARTHY, CEO,  Northern  Hospitality  Group; Owner,  49th                                                               
State Brewing,  gave invited testimony  in strong support  of the                                                               
proposed CS  for HB 189, Version  S.  He reported  that Alaska is                                                               
one of  only three  states that have  not adopted  these changes.                                                               
He said  hospitality is a noble  career path, and the  service of                                                               
others  is  important  to  the health  and  sustainability  of  a                                                               
community.  He reported  that hospitality builds self-confidence,                                                               
the    ability   to    manage    people's   emptions,    personal                                                               
responsibility, respect, cooperation,  creative thinking, problem                                                               
solving, decision  making, and conflict management.   Further, he                                                               
said  the   hospitality  industry  shatters  the   diversity  and                                                               
inclusion numbers across  all other industries.  He  said the law                                                               
would broaden  skillsets, create flexible shifts  and hours which                                                               
creates a  higher dollar return,  and create a more  sociable and                                                               
fun  job.   Overall,  he  said  passing  Version S  would  impact                                                               
communities  through  employment  of young  adults,  which  would                                                               
develop future leaders in the community,                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:33:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DIANE THOMPSON,  President, Alaska Hospitality  Retailers; Owner,                                                               
Firetap  Restaurant, gave  invited  testimony in  support of  the                                                               
proposed CS  for HB 189, Version  S.  She reiterated  that Alaska                                                               
is one  of three  states that does  not allow  1820-year-olds  to                                                               
serve alcohol.   Furthermore, there is a  significant shortage of                                                               
workers in the  state.  She said the bill  would benefit both the                                                               
employee  and employer  and help  to keep  students in  Alaska by                                                               
giving them employment opportunities.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:35:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CODIE COSTELLO,  President/COO, Alaska Center for  the Performing                                                               
Arts  (PAC);  General  Manager,  Broadway  Alaska,  gave  invited                                                               
testimony in  support of the proposed  CS for HB 189,  Version S.                                                               
She shared  details about  the PAC  and its  role as  an economic                                                               
engine for downtown Anchorage, highlighting  the expansion of its                                                               
new  Broadway  program.    Under  the  current  alcohol  license,                                                               
patrons  may  only consume  alcohol  in  upper-level lobbies  and                                                               
within certain  timeframes, and  there is  no alcohol  allowed in                                                               
theaters.  Version  S would provide an updated  framework for the                                                               
rules,  provide  flexibility,  and  elevate  patrons'  experience                                                               
while keeping with industry trends.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:39:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER  asked   whether  other  limitations  are                                                               
placed on younger workers aged 18-21 at the theater.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. COSTELLO said  younger workers can be employed  in the ticket                                                               
office or backstage; however, they cannot work in concessions.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER   asked  where  young  people   would  be                                                               
employed if the bill were to pass.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. COSTELLO  said she could  see an expansion  in front-of-house                                                               
services, the volunteer usher core, and concessions.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:41:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SUMNER announced that Version S would be held over.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
        HB 226-PHARMACIES/PHARMACISTS/BENEFITS MANAGERS                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:41:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SUMNER announced  that the next order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 226, "An Act  relating to the Board  of Pharmacy;                                                               
relating  to  insurance;  relating  to  pharmacies;  relating  to                                                               
pharmacists; relating to pharmacy  benefits managers; relating to                                                               
patient  choice  of  pharmacy; and  providing  for  an  effective                                                               
date."  [Before the committee was CSHB 226(HSS).]                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:41:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HACKENMILLER,  on  behalf of  Representative  Sumner,  prime                                                               
sponsor,  presented  CSHB  226(HSS).    She  shared  the  sponsor                                                               
statement  for the  bill [included  in  committee packet],  which                                                               
read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     House  Bill No.  226  aims to  address critical  issues                                                                    
     related   to   the   Board  of   Pharmacy,   insurance,                                                                    
     pharmacies,   pharmacists,    and   pharmacy   benefits                                                                    
     managers  in the  state of  Alaska. This  comprehensive                                                                    
     legislation  is designed  to ensure  patient choice  of                                                                    
     pharmacy,  improve transparency  and accountability  in                                                                    
     pharmacy benefit management,  and enhance the standards                                                                    
     for pharmaceutical care across the state.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     HB226 emphasizes  the powers of the  Board of Pharmacy,                                                                    
     including  provisions  for licensing,  inspection,  and                                                                    
     regulation  of   pharmacies,  pharmacists,   and  other                                                                    
     entities  involved in  the  distribution  of drugs.  It                                                                    
     also seeks  to establish safeguards for  patient access                                                                    
     to pharmacy services  and clinician-administered drugs,                                                                    
     while  preventing unfair  trade  practices by  insurers                                                                    
     and pharmacy benefits managers.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     This   legislation   introduces  provisions   for   the                                                                    
     reimbursement of  pharmacy services,  addressing issues                                                                    
     related to  national average drug acquisition  cost and                                                                    
     dispensing  fees,  with  the   goal  of  ensuring  fair                                                                    
     compensation for pharmacies and pharmacists.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     House  Bill  No. 226  is  a  critical step  forward  in                                                                    
     promoting the  best interests of  patients, pharmacies,                                                                    
     and   pharmacists   in   Alaska.   By   enacting   this                                                                    
     legislation, we  strive to  create an  environment that                                                                    
     fosters quality  pharmaceutical care,  empowers patient                                                                    
     choice, and enhances the  overall integrity of pharmacy                                                                    
     services in our state.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     This legislation  is scheduled  to take effect  on July                                                                    
     1,  2025,  and  represents a  collaborative  effort  to                                                                    
     modernize and  improve the pharmaceutical  landscape in                                                                    
     Alaska.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:44:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRANDY SEIGNEMARTIN, PharmD,  Executive Director, Alaska Pharmacy                                                               
Association,  co-presented   a  PowerPoint,  entitled   "HB  226:                                                               
Transparency  in  Prescription  Pricing   &  Patient  Freedom  of                                                               
Pharmacy Choice,"  [hard copy included in  the committee packet].                                                               
She  presented an  overview of  the presentation  on slide  2 and                                                               
continued  to  slide  3,  "What is  a  Pharmacy  Benefit  Manager                                                               
(PBM)," which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
        • Third-party companies that act as intermediaries                                                                      
          between insurance companies, drug manufacturers,                                                                      
          pharmacies, & patients                                                                                                
        • Created to help insurers control drug spend, but                                                                      
          have become perversely incentivized to increase                                                                       
          drug spend                                                                                                            
      • Why are they incentivized to increase drug spend?                                                                       
             ? Create and manage formularies                                                                                    
             ? Negotiate rebates                                                                                                
             ? Process claims                                                                                                   
             ? Manage pharmacy networks                                                                                         
             ? Operate     mail-order    and     "specialty"                                                                    
               pharmacies                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. SEIGNEMARTIN turned to slide 4, "How PBMs Impact Healthcare                                                                 
Costs," which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
        • How do they increase drug costs?                                                                                      
             ? Rebates and fees demanded of manufacturers                                                                     
               for formulary placement - responsible for                                                                        
               42% of every dollar spent on brand medicines                                                                     
               in the commercial market                                                                                         
             ? Incentivize spend on higher-cost drugs in                                                                      
               order to maximize profit margin                                                                                  
             ? Reimburse self-owned pharmacies at higher                                                                      
               rates than other pharmacies                                                                                    
             ? Invented the fallacy of "specialty" pharmacy                                                                   
               as a guise to increase spend on higher-                                                                          
               profit margin prescriptions that they steer                                                                      
               to their owned pharmacies                                                                                        
             ? Spread pricing- charging the plans more for                                                                    
               a claim and underpaying the pharmacies                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:47:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DANIEL  NELSON,  PharmD,  Director  of  Pharmacy,  Tanana  Chiefs                                                               
Conference, moved to slide 5,  "PBMs are Harming Alaskans," which                                                               
read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Pharmacies across Alaska are closing         crumbling                                                                     
    public   health   infrastructure   due   to   deceptive                                                                     
     practices by Pharmacy Benefit Managers                                                                                     
        • 25% of independent pharmacies have closed since                                                                       
          2018                                                                                                                  
        • Even more chain and independent pharmacies have                                                                       
          limited staffing and hours                                                                                            
        • Tribal health systems feel the impact on overall                                                                      
          care                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:48:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NELSON proceeded  to  slide 6,  which  featured Alaska  news                                                               
headlines  about  pharmacy   closures,  staffing  shortages,  and                                                               
cyber-attacks on  pharmacy benefit managers  (PBM).  He  moved to                                                               
slide  7 to  discuss  the vertical  relationship among  insurers,                                                               
PBMs,   specialty  pharmacies,   retail  pharmacies,   mail-order                                                               
pharmacies, and  providers in 2022.   Slide 8 showed a  pie chart                                                               
of the big 3 PBMs that  have market monopoly power: OptumRx, CVS,                                                               
and Express Scripts.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:52:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SEIGNEMARTIN  continued  the  presentation  on  slide  9  to                                                               
discuss   price   spreading;   anti-competitive,   unfair   trade                                                               
practices; and  patient steering.   She  said price  spreading is                                                               
dangerous because  plan sponsors are charged  significantly more,                                                               
and pharmacies are paid significantly less.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:54:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NELSON  shared a  spread  pricing  example from  one  Alaska                                                               
pharmacy on slide 10.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:56:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. SEIGNEMARTIN moved to slide  11, "Spread Pricing," which read                                                               
as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
      • Harms Alaskan employers, patients, and pharmacies                                                                       
        • Alaskan Employer Example                                                                                              
        • AlaskaCare                                                                                                            
        • In other states, investigations have found that                                                                       
          PBMs were overcharging their plans by millions of                                                                     
          dollars                                                                                                               
             ? $223.7 million in Ohio in one year                                                                               
             ? Utah uncovered $8 per prescription average                                                                       
               spread                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:57:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. SEIGNEMARTIN advanced to  slide 12, "Anti-competitive, unfair                                                               
trade  practices," which  read as  follows [original  punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
        • Monopolistic practices lead to artificially                                                                           
          inflated drug costs                                                                                                   
        • Anti-competitive practices to discourage or                                                                           
          squash competition                                                                                                    
        • As PBMs grow in power and continue to have lack                                                                       
          of oversight, they are crushing Alaska pharmacies                                                                     
          with non-negotiable contracts and forcing them                                                                        
          out of business                                                                                                       
        • Reports show that PBMs reimburse their affiliated                                                                     
          pharmacies at much higher rates than local                                                                            
          pharmacies                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:58:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. SEIGNEMARTIN turned to slide 13, "Patient Steering," which                                                                  
read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        PBMs steer patients to their own high-cost, low                                                                         
     quality lower 48 mail-order pharmacies                                                                                     
        • Causes delays in patient care, poor outcomes,                                                                         
          increased healthcare costs                                                                                            
        • Patients deserve the right to choose where they                                                                       
          get their medications                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:59:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SUMNER passed the gavel to Vice Chair Ruffridge.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:01:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON moved to slide 14, "To Whom are PBMs responsible?"                                                                   
Slide 14 read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
       Currently, the big PBMs are only beholden to their                                                                       
     shareholders                                                                                                               
        • Should PBMs have a responsibility to the health                                                                       
          of Alaskans?                                                                                                          
        This is not only an issue for the private sector                                                                        
     Tribal Health Organizations are heavily impacted                                                                           
             ? THO pharmacies are forced to either send                                                                         
               prescriptions out to PBM-owned mail-order                                                                        
               pharmacies                                                                                                       
             ? Or, they "eat" 100% of the cost of what                                                                          
               should be a covered prescription                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:02:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS asked which section of statutes affect                                                                    
tribal health organizations (THO).                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON said there's not a specific reference to THOs in the                                                                 
bill; nonetheless, the bill would positively impact THO's bottom                                                                
line and the patients they serve.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:03:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. SIEGNEMARTIN continued the presentation on slide 15, "HB 226                                                                
Provisions," which read as follows [original punctuation                                                                        
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
       Gives patients the right to access medication at a                                                                       
     pharmacy of their choice                                                                                                   
             - Bans patient steering to PBM-owned or                                                                            
               affiliated pharmacies                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
    Ensures    safe   access    to   physician-administered                                                                     
     medications                                                                                                                
             - Bans PBM-required white bagging and brown                                                                        
               bagging                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Requires a transparent reimbursement model                                                                                 
             - Saves money for patients and plan sponsors                                                                       
               on prescription drug spend                                                                                       
             - Gets   rid   of    complicated   and   opaque                                                                    
               reimbursement methodologies                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     HB226 will:                                                                                                                
        • Ban spread pricing                                                                                                    
        • Require reimbursement floor of NADAC + dispensing                                                                     
          fee                                                                                                                   
        • Require    payment   parity    between   PBM-owned                                                                    
          pharmacies and local pharmacies                                                                                       
        • Fiduciary responsibility from PBMs to plan                                                                            
          sponsors                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:04:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked Ms.  Stiegnemartin to explain "white                                                               
bagging" and "brown bagging."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SIEGNEMARTIN  defined white  bagging  and  brown bagging  as                                                               
practices in  which PBMs  use their  monopolistic power  to steer                                                               
the flow of prescription commerce  away from local pharmacies and                                                               
clinics  into their  own hands  to  allow for  remuneration at  a                                                               
higher level.  More specifically,  white bagging is when the drug                                                               
is sent to  the mail room of the patient's  clinic, as opposed to                                                               
being  sent through  the proper  supply chain,  which circumvents                                                               
certain protective  systems.  Brown  bagging is when the  drug is                                                               
sent directly to  the patient's home, which adds  extra layers of                                                               
product integrity issues and other safety concerns.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:07:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX questioned which  U.S. Supreme Court decision                                                               
determined that PBMs are okay.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SIEGNEMARTIN answered  Rutledge v.  PCMA, which  was a  2020                                                             
decision.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:09:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER how the state got to this point.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. SIEGNEMARTIN  analogized the  Kudzu plant and  explained that                                                               
PBMs  were   intended  to  be   an  adjudication   point  between                                                               
pharmacies  and insurance  companies; however,  over time,  their                                                               
vertical integration model amassed  monopolistic wealth and power                                                               
that is  used to steer  the flow  of prescription commerce.   She                                                               
added that many  insurance companies are beholden  to state laws,                                                               
but  third-party administrators  are  not regulated  in the  same                                                               
way.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:12:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS  said the  fiscal note from  the Department                                                               
of  Administration  (DOA)  reflects  a  $2  million  dollar  cost                                                               
increase.    He  asked  Mr.  Nelson why  he  disagrees  with  the                                                               
department's analysis.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON confirmed that he  strongly disagrees with DOA because                                                               
there was no consideration for  the cost savings that would occur                                                               
from changing  the model  for ingredient costs.   He  resumed the                                                               
presentation  on slide  18  which  featured a  bar  graph of  the                                                               
Division of  Retirement and Benefits  (DRB) spend in  2022 versus                                                               
the potential cost  impact of HB 226.  DRB  spent $277 million in                                                               
2022 [on  prescriptions].   If HB  226 were  to pass,  Mr. Nelson                                                               
estimated that  the bill would  save the state  somewhere between                                                               
$.7 million  and $7.9 million  at an  average of $4.3  million in                                                               
costs savings.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:16:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON shared  several examples of how the  bill might impact                                                               
Dimethyl Fumerate  and Copaxone prescription costs  on slides 19-                                                               
20.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:18:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  asked whether HB 226  would eliminate the                                                               
opportunity for specialty pharmacy cost increases.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NELSON answered  yes, because  more  local pharmacies  would                                                               
qualify as "specialty  pharmacies" under the bill.   He shared an                                                               
example of how HB  226 would save the state money  on the cost of                                                               
filling Ampyra  prescriptions on  slide 21.   Slide  22 projected                                                               
overall cost savings for Alaska  employers of anywhere between $4                                                               
million  and  $44 million  based  on  the National  Average  Drug                                                               
Acquisition Cost  (NADAC) high and  low.   He moved to  slide 23,                                                               
which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     HB 226 is Pro-Alaska economy by preventing forced mail                                                                     
     order and patient steering/coercion                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        HB226 would allow patients to fill prescriptions                                                                        
     locally if they would like to                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
       Potential to infuse $34-$36 million annually into                                                                        
       Alaska's local economy for state employee/retiree                                                                        
     prescriptions alone (based on 2022 data)                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Overall positive financial impact on Alaska economy is                                                                     
     much larger                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NELSON  emphasized  that  the bill  would  not  prevent  the                                                               
allowance of mail  order prescription services.  On  slide 14, he                                                               
estimated  that based  on the  NADAC  low and  high, the  overall                                                               
gross  economic  infusion  for Alaska  without  forced  mail  and                                                               
dispensing fee would  range from savings of  between $190 million                                                               
to $200 million.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:24:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NELSON concluded  on slide  25 with  an example  of benefits                                                               
that could be gained through  a transparent PBM, such as OreadRx,                                                               
as presented  by the  owner, Dr.  Dared Price,  at a  White House                                                               
listening Session.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:25:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS questioned the admin fee of OreadRx.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. SIEGNEMARTIN did  not know the answer;  nonetheless, she said                                                               
it is  "flat and transparent,"  which is in direct  opposition to                                                               
current PBMs that use spread pricing.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARRICK asked whether  the flat administrative fee                                                               
is statutorily set.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NELSON said  the flat  fee  is negotiated  between the  plan                                                               
sponsor and the PBM.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:27:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  sought to  better understand  the meaning                                                               
of spread pricing.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON  defined the  "spread" as  the difference  between the                                                               
amount negotiated between the pharmacy and the plan sponsor.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:28:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX  asked  why   everyone  hasn't  switched  to                                                               
OreadRx.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. SIEGNEMARTIN  said the answer  is vertical integration.   She                                                               
explained that  plans must sometimes pay  a large fee to  opt out                                                               
of using the vertically integrated  PDM services, which speaks to                                                               
their monopolistic power.   She explained that  if more employers                                                               
moved towards  transparent PBMs    any of  the 74 outside  of the                                                               
big three  everyone would be much better off.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NELSON,   in  response   to  a   follow  up   question  from                                                               
Representative  Prax,  added that  Mark  Cuban  testified at  the                                                               
White   House   Listening   Session  about   this   intentionally                                                               
complicated system.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:32:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARRICK asked how  PBMs aren't violating Antitrust                                                               
laws at  the federal level if  they are acting as  pharmacies and                                                               
manufacturers  in some  cases and  working vertically  integrated                                                               
with  insurance companies.   She  said  she had  seen many  local                                                               
pharmacies go out  of business as a result of  this structure and                                                               
agreed that  something needs to  be done; however, she  asked why                                                               
the state is the most appropriate entity to take action.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. SIEGNEMARTIN  said the PBMs built  their vertical integration                                                               
slowly  over  time.    She   explained  that  the  Federal  Trade                                                               
Commission (FTC) launched an investigation  into the big PBMs and                                                               
sent  out compensatory  orders about  18 months  ago.   Two weeks                                                               
ago, the FTC reported that the  PBMs are not complying with those                                                               
orders.   She added that Alaska  is behind the curve  compared to                                                               
other states.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:34:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS  said he is still  struggling to understand                                                               
the  impact on  Tribal health  providers.   If the  bill were  to                                                               
pass, he  asked whether  Tribal members  who are  state employers                                                               
would  receive their  medication through  a Tribal  pharmacy that                                                               
would receive  an additional dispensing  fee paid  through Alaska                                                               
Care.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON  characterized Alaska  Medicaid as a  blessing because                                                               
it does  not use a PBM  model.  However, Tribal  health providers                                                               
also  serve  tons  of  patients  with  private  insurance  or  no                                                               
insurance at  all.  He said  the bill would still  apply to these                                                               
patients and make it a fair playing ground.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS  sought to  confirm that  privately insured                                                               
individuals using  Tribal pharmacies are the  primary reason that                                                               
Tribal health pharmacies are interested in this bill.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. NELSON said that's correct.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:37:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ASHLEY  SCHABER, Chair,  Alaska Board  of Pharmacy,  gave invited                                                               
testimony in  support of CSHB  226(HSS).   She said the  Board of                                                               
Pharmacy is  in unanimous  support of the  bill because  it gives                                                               
patients  the right  to  access medications  at  the pharmacy  of                                                               
their  choice  if  it's  contracted  with  the  PBM;  provides  a                                                               
framework of  transparency and  reimbursement for  pharmacies and                                                               
patients;  protects  patient  access  to  clinician  administered                                                               
medications  by restriction  the practices  of white  bagging and                                                               
brown  bagging; and  aligns with  the board's  strategic plan  to                                                               
grow  the  state's  economy by  promoting  community  health  and                                                               
safety.  She  explained since the work on HB  226 began, multiple                                                               
Alaska   pharmacies  have   closed,  including   those  providing                                                               
specialized  services.   She  said  the  bill would  ensure  that                                                               
Alaska's pharmacies can continue to safely serve Alaskans.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:39:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS   asked  Ms.   Schaber  whether   she  had                                                               
reflected   on  how   to  most   efficiently  support   community                                                               
pharmacies without wasting money on larger corporations.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHABER said the premise of  the bill is to allow Alaskans to                                                               
choose,  so putting  a limitation  on that  would go  against the                                                               
original intent of the legislation.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:41:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DESIREE MOLINA,  Pharmacist, Three  Bears Pharmacy,  gave invited                                                               
testimony in  support of CSHB  226(HSS).  She shared  examples of                                                               
how  unethical  PBM practices  harm  Alaskans.   In  addition  to                                                               
harming  Alaskans  by  restricting  their  access  to  lifesaving                                                               
medications,  PBMs  are contributing  to  the  closure of  Alaska                                                               
pharmacies.  She  said this is a health crisis  and urged members                                                               
to support HB 226.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:44:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RUFFRIDGE announced  that  HB 226  would be  held                                                               
over.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
         HB 203-PAYMENT OF WAGES; PAYROLL CARD ACCOUNT                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:44:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RUFFRIDGE  announced  that   the  next  order  of                                                               
business would  be HOUSE BILL NO.  203, "An Act relating  to wage                                                               
payments."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:44:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RUFFRIDGE  opened  public testimony  on  HB  203.                                                               
After  ascertaining that  no  one wished  to  testify, he  closed                                                               
public testimony and announced that the bill would be held over.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
               HB 175-BOARD OF LICENSED MIDWIVES                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:45:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RUFFRIDGE  announced  that   the  next  order  of                                                               
business would be SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE  FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 175, "An                                                               
Act relating to midwives and  the practice of midwifery; relating                                                               
to apprentice  midwives; renaming the Board  of Certified Direct-                                                               
Entry Midwives  as the  Board of  Licensed Midwives;  relating to                                                               
the Board  of Licensed Midwives;  extending the  termination date                                                               
of the  Board of  Licensed Midwives;  relating to  insurance; and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:45:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE opened public testimony on HB 175.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:46:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JENNIFER CAVE,  Vice President,  Midwives Association  of Alaska;                                                               
Owner,  The Nesting  Place,  testified in  support  of SSHB  175.                                                               
With the  recent extension of  the postpartum period  by Medicaid                                                               
to one  year after  birth, she  said it's  fitting that  SSHB 175                                                               
would expand the  scope to allow the  one-year postpartum period.                                                               
She said the bill would help  ease the burden of doctors and give                                                               
clients the  care they need  in a  timely fashion.   In addition,                                                               
SSHB  175 would  ensure that  insurance companies  reimburse home                                                               
births in Alaska and save clients' money.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:50:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BARBARA NORTON,  representing self,  spoke in opposition  to SSHB
175.   She said  she supported  the overriding  of EO  130, which                                                               
would disband the Board of  Direct Entry Midwives (CDM); however,                                                               
she said  she does  not support  the statute  changes in  HB 175.                                                               
She listed  the following changes  as "counter to  common sense:"                                                               
removing  the  doctor  and  nurse  midwife  from  the  board  and                                                               
replacing them  with direct entry midwives;  eliminating the need                                                               
for  a diploma;  prohibiting regulations  requiring collaboration                                                               
with  hospitals,   doctors,  or  advanced   nurse  practitioners;                                                               
removing  the  requirement  that  preceptors  may  not  have  any                                                               
experience to train new midwives;  removing the language that has                                                               
for  32 years,  recommended  that women  entering prenatal  care,                                                               
receive  a  physical exam  by  a  doctor or  nurse  practitioner;                                                               
expanding   the   scope  of   direct   entry   care  to   include                                                               
preconception care.  She shared  an anecdote.  She urged sensible                                                               
direct entry midwives  to get back on their board  and change the                                                               
regulations back  to pre-2023  to ensure  that the  public's best                                                               
interest.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:56:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE  closed public  testimony on HB  175 and                                                               
announced that the bill would be held over.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
             HB 254-PROHIBIT PORNOGRAPHY TO MINORS                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:56:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE HOUSE BILL NO.  254, "An Act relating to                                                               
liability for  publishing or  distributing pornography  to minors                                                               
on the Internet."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:57:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WRIGHT  moved to  report HB  254 out  of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARRICK objected.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:57:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease at 4:57 p.m.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:58:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARRICK said  she believed with the  intent of the                                                               
bill; however,  the bill  contains loopholes  or gaps  that could                                                               
lead to poor outcomes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS  agreed that the  concept of the bill  is a                                                               
good one,  but the committee  has heard  little on the  merits of                                                               
the legislation  and how it  would work in  the real world.   For                                                               
that reason, he said he would  not support moving the bill out of                                                               
committee at this time.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER said he supports  the underlying effort of                                                               
the  bill, but  he would  like  to know  more about  commercially                                                               
available age  verification.  Nonetheless,  he said he  would not                                                               
stand in the way of the bill's advancement.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARRICK  noted  that  she  had  asked  about  the                                                               
commercially  available options  for verification,  to which  the                                                               
sponsor's  office responded  with  a list  of private  companies.                                                               
She said  she looked  into the  top 5 or  10 companies  that were                                                               
listed  and found  potential security  issues  that could  impact                                                               
Alaskans' identities.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:01:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote  was taken.    Representatives Prax,  Saddler,                                                               
Wright,  and Ruffridge  voted  in  favor of  moving  HB 254  from                                                               
committee.  Representatives Carrick  and Fields voted against it.                                                               
Therefore,  HB  254 was  reported  out  of  the House  Labor  and                                                               
Commerce Standing Committee by a vote of 4-2.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:02:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Labor and Commerce Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at                                                                  
5:02 p.m.                                                                                                                       
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects | 
|---|---|---|
| HB226 Sponsor Statement.pdf | 
                    
HL&C       3/11/2024 3:15:00 PM | 
                
                    
HB 226 | 
            
| HB226 Sectional Analysis Ver. S.pdf | 
                    
HL&C       3/11/2024 3:15:00 PM | 
                
                    
HB 226 | 
            
| HB226 Summary of Changes Ver B to Ver S.pdf | 
                    
HL&C       3/11/2024 3:15:00 PM | 
                
                    
HB 226 | 
            
| Pat Shire clarification on 2.27.24 testimony (HSS HB226).pdf | 
                    
HL&C       3/11/2024 3:15:00 PM | 
                
                    
HB 226 | 
            
| HB 189 State by State.xlsx | 
                    
HL&C       3/11/2024 3:15:00 PM | 
                
                    
HB 189 | 
            
| HB189 Sponsor Statement.pdf | 
                    
HL&C       3/11/2024 3:15:00 PM | 
                
                    
HB 189 | 
            
| SB 121HB 226 Revised Slides.pptx | 
                    
HL&C       3/11/2024 3:15:00 PM | 
                
                    
HB 226 | 
            
| S.pdf | 
                    
HL&C       3/11/2024 3:15:00 PM | 
                
                    
HB 189 | 
            
| HB189 Explanation of Changes.pdf | 
                    
HL&C       3/11/2024 3:15:00 PM | 
                
                    
HB 189 | 
            
| HB189 Sectional Analysis Ver. S.pdf | 
                    
HL&C       3/11/2024 3:15:00 PM | 
                
                    
HB 189 | 
            
| HB327 Support.pdf | 
                    
HL&C       3/11/2024 3:15:00 PM | 
                
                    
HB 327 | 
            
| SB121 & HB226 DCCED-DOI Applicable Court Cases in Oklahoma and Arkansas 3.12.24.pdf | 
                    
HL&C       3/11/2024 3:15:00 PM | 
                
                    
HB 226 SB 121  | 
            
| HB226 Letter of Support.pdf | 
                    
HL&C       3/11/2024 3:15:00 PM | 
                
                    
HB 226 | 
            
| HB 226 Letter of Support - Albertsons.pdf | 
                    
HL&C       3/11/2024 3:15:00 PM | 
                
                    
HB 226 |