Legislature(1993 - 1994)

03/30/1993 03:00 PM L&C

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                    HOUSE LABOR AND COMMERCE                                   
                       STANDING COMMITTEE                                      
                         March 30, 1993                                        
                            3:00 p.m.                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
  Rep. Bill Hudson, Chairman                                                   
  Rep. Brian Porter                                                            
  Rep. Eldon Mulder                                                            
  Rep. Bill Williams                                                           
  Rep. Jerry Mackie                                                            
  Rep. Joe Sitton                                                              
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
  Rep. Joe Green                                                               
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
  *HB 236:  "An Act relating to newspapers of general                          
            circulation."                                                      
                                                                               
            CSHB 236(L&C) PASSED OUT OF COMMITTEE                              
                                                                               
  *HB 249:  "An Act relating to persons whose occupations                      
            involve electrical or mechanical equipment and                     
            systems; and providing for an effective date."                     
                                                                               
            SSHB 249 PASSED OUT OF COMMITTEE                                   
                                                                               
  *HB 247:  "An Act changing the frequency of certain state                    
            inspections of weights and measures and relating                   
            to the issuance of citations for weights and                       
            measures violations."                                              
                                                                               
            PASSED OUT OF COMMITTEE                                            
                                                                               
  HB 170:   "An Act extending the termination date of the                      
            Board of Marine Pilots."                                           
                                                                               
            PASSED OUT OF COMMITTEE                                            
                                                                               
  *HB 237:  "An Act relating to marine pilot licensing and                     
            tariffs."                                                          
                                                                               
            HEARD AND HELD OVER                                                
                                                                               
  SB 64:    "An Act relating to civil liability for workplace                  
            safety inspections; and providing for an effective                 
            date."                                                             
                                                                               
            NOT HEARD, HELD OVER                                               
                                                                               
  *HB 241:  "An Act relating to workers' compensation; and                     
            providing for an effective date."                                  
                                                                               
            NOT HEARD, HELD OVER                                               
                                                                               
  HB 185:   "An Act establishing credits for purchasers of                     
            state royalty oil for expenditures made by those                   
            purchasers on qualifying capital investments to be                 
            applied against liquidated purchase arrearage's                    
            established in contracts, settlements, or final                    
            judgments; and providing for an effective date."                   
                                                                               
            NOT HEARD, APPOINTED TO SUBCOMMITTEE                               
                                                                               
  HB 221:   "An Act relating to workers' compensation for                      
            volunteer ambulance attendants, police officers,                   
            and fire fighters; and providing for an effective                  
            date."                                                             
                                                                               
            NOT HEARD                                                          
                                                                               
  (* First public hearing.)                                                    
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Confirmations to Boards and Commissions:                                     
                                                                               
  Ray Kimberlin     - Alaska Workers' Compensation Board                       
  Nancy J. Ridgley  - Alaska Workers' Compensation Board                       
  Darrell F. Smith  - Alaska Workers' compensation Board                       
  William M. Bishop - Alcohol Beverage and Control Board                       
  Jane Perkins      - Alcohol Beverage and Control Board                       
  James Carter      - Alaska Public Utilities Commission                       
  Terral F. Wanzer  - Real Estate Commission                                   
  Ken Kincaid       - Real Estate Appraisers                                   
                                                                               
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
  BOB GOULD                                                                    
  Alaska Journal of Commerce                                                   
  880 "N" Street                                                               
  Anchorage, Alaska  99501                                                     
  276-8880                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 236                                        
                                                                               
  JOHN MCKAY                                                                   
  Anchorage Daily News                                                         
  211 H St.                                                                    
  Anchorage, Alaska  99501                                                     
  276-5231                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed HB 236                                          
                                                                               
  REP. GARY DAVIS                                                              
  Alaska State Legislature                                                     
  State Capitol                                                                
  Juneau, Alaska  99801-1182                                                   
  465-2693                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Prime Sponsor of HB 249                                 
                                                                               
  C.W. MAHLEN, Commissioner                                                    
  Department of Labor                                                          
  5950 Sunset St.                                                              
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
  465-2700                                                                     
  Position Statement:   Supported HB 249                                       
                                                                               
  CHRIS HERBY                                                                  
  P.O. Box 7381                                                                
  Ketchikan, Alaska  99901                                                     
  225-9725                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 249                                        
                                                                               
  GARY TRIEWEILER                                                              
  P.O. Box 2905                                                                
  Homer, Alaska  99603                                                         
  235-6977                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 249                                        
                                                                               
  DOUG DONEGAN                                                                 
  Trident Seafoods                                                             
  5011 Jewell Lake Rd., #203                                                   
  Anchorage, Alaska  99502                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 249                                        
                                                                               
  DENNY BOWDEN                                                                 
  Department of Labor                                                          
  3301 Eagle St.                                                               
  Anchorage, Alaska  99510                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 249                                        
                                                                               
  STANLEY BISHOP                                                               
  KISS Communications                                                          
  700 W. 6th, #400                                                             
  Anchorage, Alaska  99518                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 249                                        
                                                                               
  RALPH WINTERROWD                                                             
  Winterrowd Telecommunications Inc.                                           
  6901 East Tudor, Ste. #7                                                     
  Anchorage, Alaska  99507                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 249                                        
                                                                               
  GERALD NEWTON                                                                
  315 Dunbar Ave.                                                              
  Fairbanks, Alaska  99701                                                     
  452-8575                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 249                                        
                                                                               
  DAVE ELBERT                                                                  
  183 Concord                                                                  
  Fairbanks, Alaska  99712                                                     
  457-1914                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 249                                        
                                                                               
  HUGH DOOGAN                                                                  
  359 Slater St.                                                               
  Fairbanks, Alaska  99701                                                     
  456-1869                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 249                                        
                                                                               
  GEORGE CARNAHAN                                                              
  P.O. Box 8202                                                                
  Kenai, Alaska  99611                                                         
  776-5570                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 249                                        
                                                                               
  MARTIN HALL                                                                  
  P.O. Box 3574                                                                
  Soldotna, Alaska  99669                                                      
  262-7813                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 249                                        
                                                                               
  MARK JOHNSON                                                                 
  P.O. Box 7486                                                                
  Nikiski, Alaska  99635                                                       
  776-8593                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 249                                        
                                                                               
  WILL JAHRIG                                                                  
  P.O. Box 51                                                                  
  Kenai, Alaska  99611                                                         
  283-4262                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 249                                        
                                                                               
  AL DWYER                                                                     
  8711 Barney Circle                                                           
  Anchorage, Alaska  99502                                                     
  269-4925                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 249                                        
                                                                               
  MARYLOU VILANDRE                                                             
  803 Halibut Point Road                                                       
  Sitka, Alaska  99835                                                         
  747-8086                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 249                                        
                                                                               
  JOHN SKANNES                                                                 
  204 Katlian St.                                                              
  Sitka, Alaska  99835                                                         
  747-8610                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 249                                        
                                                                               
  PETE JURCZAK                                                                 
  1309 Edgecumbe Dr.                                                           
  Sitka, Alaska  99835                                                         
  747-5891                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 249                                        
                                                                               
  WENDY MULDER, Special Assistant                                              
  Department of Commerce and Economic Development                              
  P.O. Box 110800                                                              
  Juneau, Alaska  99811-0800                                                   
  465-2500                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Read sponsor statement on HB 247                        
                                                                               
  REP. JERRY SANDERS                                                           
  Alaska State Legislature                                                     
  State Capitol                                                                
  Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                        
  465-4945                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Prime Sponsor of HB 170                                 
                                                                               
  REP. BILL HUDSON                                                             
  Alaska State Legislature                                                     
  State Capitol                                                                
  Juneau, Alaska  99801-1182                                                   
  465-3744                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Prime sponsor of HB 237                                 
                                                                               
  PAUL FUHS, Commissioner                                                      
  Department of Commerce and Economic Development                              
  P.O. Box 110800                                                              
  Juneau, Alaska  99811-0800                                                   
  465-2500                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Presented overview of HB 237                            
                                                                               
  DON SCHROER                                                                  
  Alaska Public Utilities Commission                                           
  1016 W. 6th, Suite  400                                                      
  Anchorage, Alaska  99501-1963                                                
  276-6222                                                                     
  Position Statement:  No position yet                                         
                                                                               
  CARL LUCK, Director                                                          
  Division of Occupational Licensing                                           
  Department of Commerce and Economic Development                              
  P.O. Box 110800                                                              
  Juneau, Alaska 99811-0800                                                    
  465-2500                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Presented overview of HB 237                            
                                                                               
  PETER LIE-NIELSEN                                                            
  Alaska Coastwise Pilots Association                                          
  P.O. Box 22708                                                               
  Juneau, Alaska  99802                                                        
  789-3231                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed HB 237                                          
                                                                               
  BERNIE SMITH                                                                 
  Alaska Steamship Association                                                 
  P.O. Box 1630-2                                                              
  Kenai, Alaska  99611                                                         
  776-8191                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Testified on HB 237                                     
                                                                               
  MICHAEL SPENCE                                                               
  Alaska Coastwise Pilots Association                                          
  P.O. Box 3040                                                                
  Ketchikan, Alaska  99901                                                     
  247-8382                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Opposed HB 237                                          
                                                                               
  BILL SWAN                                                                    
  Southeast Pilots Association                                                 
  Ketchikan, Alaska  99901                                                     
  725-9696                                                                     
  Position Statement:  Supported HB 237                                        
                                                                               
  PREVIOUS ACTION                                                              
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 236                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: NEWSPAPER OF GENERAL CIRCULATION DEFINED                        
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): LABOR & COMMERCE                                                 
                                                                               
  TITLE: "An Act relating to newspapers of general                             
  circulation."                                                                
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  03/19/93       707    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  03/19/93       707    (H)   LABOR & COMMERCE                                 
  03/30/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 17                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 249                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: ELECTRICAL/MECHANICAL TRADESPERSONS                             
  BILL VERSION: SSHB 249                                                       
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) G.DAVIS                                        
                                                                               
  TITLE: "An Act relating to persons whose occupations involve                 
  electrical or mechanical equipment and systems; and                          
  providing for an effective date."                                            
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  03/22/93       733    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  03/22/93       733    (H)   LABOR & COMMERCE,STATE                           
                              AFFAIRS,JUDICIARY                                
  03/30/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 17                       
  03/30/93       853    (H)   SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE                               
                              INTRODUCED-REFERRALS                             
  03/30/93       853    (H)   L&C, STATE AFFAIRS, JUDICIARY                    
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 247                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: WEIGHTS & MEASURES: INSPECTIONS/CITATIONS                       
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): LABOR & COMMERCE                                                 
                                                                               
  TITLE: "An Act changing the frequency of certain state                       
  inspections of weights and measures and relating to the                      
  issuance of citations for weights and measure                                
  violations."                                                                 
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  03/22/93       732    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  03/22/93       732    (H)   LABOR & COMMERCE, JUDICIARY                      
  03/30/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 17                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 170                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: EXTEND BOARD OF MARINE PILOTS                                   
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) SANDERS,Grussendorf                            
                                                                               
  TITLE: "An Act extending the termination date of the Board                   
  of Marine Pilots."                                                           
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  02/22/93       413    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  02/22/93       413    (H)   LABOR & COMMERCE, FINANCE                        
  03/23/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 124                      
  03/25/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 124                      
  03/30/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 17                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 237                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: MARINE PILOT LICENSING AND TARIFFS                              
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S)HUDSON,Phillips,Brice,Sitton,                   
  Sanders                                                                      
                                                                               
  TITLE: "An Act relating to marine pilot licensing and                        
  tariffs."                                                                    
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  03/19/93       707    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  03/19/93       707    (H)   L&C, TRANSPORTATION, STA AFF,                    
                              FINANCE                                          
  03/19/93              (H)   COSPONSOR(S): BRICE, SITTON,                     
                              SANDERS                                          
  03/30/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 17                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  SB  64                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: IMMUNITY FOR SAFETY INSPECTIONS                                 
  BILL VERSION: CSSB 64(JUD)(EFD FLD)                                          
  SPONSOR(S): LABOR & COMMERCE                                                 
                                                                               
  TITLE: "An Act relating to civil liability for workplace                     
  safety inspections."                                                         
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  01/22/93       137    (S)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  01/22/93       137    (S)   LABOR & COMMERCE, JUDICIARY                      
  02/04/93              (S)   L&C AT 01:30 PM BELTZ ROOM 211                   
  02/04/93              (S)   MINUTE(L&C)                                      
  02/10/93       313    (S)   L&C RPT   3DP 2NR                                
  02/10/93       313    (S)   ZERO FISCAL NOTE (DCED)                          
  02/19/93              (S)   JUD AT 01:30 PM BELTZ ROOM 211                   
  02/19/93              (S)   MINUTE(JUD)                                      
  02/22/93              (S)   JUD AT 01:30 PM BELTZ ROOM 211                   
  02/22/93              (S)   MINUTE(JUD)                                      
  02/24/93       461    (S)   JUD RPT CS 2DP 1NR 1DNP 1AM                      
                              SAME TITLE                                       
  02/24/93       461    (S)   PREVIOUS ZERO FN APPLIES (DCED)                  
  03/03/93              (S)   RLS AT 10:45 AM FAHRENKAMP 203                   
  03/03/93              (S)   MINUTE(RLS)                                      
  03/05/93       614    (S)   RULES RPT  3CAL 1DNP W/O AM                      
                              3/5/93                                           
  03/05/93       623    (S)   READ THE SECOND TIME                             
  03/05/93       623    (S)   JUD  CS ADOPTED UNAN CONSENT                     
  03/05/93       625    (S)   AM NO  1     FAILED  Y7 N11 E2                   
  03/05/93       626    (S)   AM NO  2     FAILED  Y8 N10 E2                   
  03/05/93       627    (S)   AM NO  3     FAILED  Y7 N11 E2                   
  03/05/93       629    (S)   AM NO  4     FAILED  Y8 N10 E2                   
  03/05/93       630    (S)   AM NO  5     FAILED  Y8 N10 E2                   
  03/05/93       630    (S)   AM NO  6     FAILED  Y7 N11 E2                   
  03/05/93       631    (S)   ADVANCED TO THIRD READING UNAN                   
                              CONSENT                                          
  03/05/93       631    (S)   PASSED Y11 N7 E2                                 
  03/05/93       632    (S)   EFFECTIVE DATE FAILED Y11 N7 E2                  
  03/05/93       632    (S)   Duncan  NOTICE OF RECON                          
  03/08/93       659    (S)   RECON TAKEN UP-IN THIRD READING                  
  03/08/93       659    (S)   PLACE AT BOTTOM OF CAL PASSED                    
                              Y11 N8 E1                                        
  03/08/93       673    (S)   RETURN TO SECOND FOR AM 1 UNAN                   
                              CONSENT                                          
  03/08/93       674    (S)   AM NO  7     FAILED  Y8 N11 E1                   
  03/08/93       674    (S)   AUTOMATICALLY IN THIRD READING                   
  03/08/93       674    (S)   PASSED ON RECONSIDERATION Y11                    
                              N8 E1                                            
  03/08/93       675    (S)   EFFECTIVE DATE FAILED Y12 N7 E1                  
  03/08/93       677    (S)   TRANSMITTED TO (H)                               
  03/10/93       582    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  03/10/93       582    (H)   LABOR & COMMERCE, JUDICIARY                      
  03/30/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 17                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 241                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: WORKERS COMP:REQD HEALTH BEN;INSPECTIONS                        
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) MULDER                                         
                                                                               
  TITLE: "An Act relating to workers' compensation; and                        
  providing for an effective date."                                            
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  03/19/93       708    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  03/19/93       709    (H)   LABOR & COMMERCE, JUDICIARY                      
  03/30/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 17                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 185                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: CREDITS AGAINST PURCHASE OF ROYALTY OIL                         
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S):REPRESENTATIVE(S)GREEN,Barnes,Sanders,James,                      
  Olberg,Kott                                                                  
                                                                               
  TITLE: "An Act establishing credits for purchasers of state                  
  royalty oil for expenditures made by those purchasers on                     
  qualifying capital investments to be applied against                         
  liquidated purchase arrearages established in contracts,                     
  settlements, or final judgments; and providing for an                        
  effective date."                                                             
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  02/25/93       457    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  02/25/93       457    (H)   LABOR & COMMERCE, FINANCE                        
  03/01/93       495    (H)   COSPONSOR(S): KOTT                               
  03/18/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 17                       
  03/30/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 17                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BILL:  HB 221                                                                
  SHORT TITLE: WORKERS COMP:VOLUNTEER FIRE FIGHTERS, ETC                       
  BILL VERSION:                                                                
  SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) HUDSON,Grussendorf                             
                                                                               
  TITLE: "An Act relating to workers' compensation for                         
  volunteer ambulance attendants, police officers, and fire                    
  fighters; and providing for an effective date."                              
                                                                               
  JRN-DATE    JRN-PG                     ACTION                                
  03/12/93       619    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME/REFERRAL(S)                  
  03/12/93       619    (H)   CRA, LABOR & COMMERCE, FINANCE                   
  03/25/93              (H)   CRA AT 01:00 PM CAPITOL 124                      
  03/30/93              (H)   CRA AT 01:00 PM CAPITOL 124                      
  03/30/93              (H)   L&C AT 03:00 PM CAPITOL 17                       
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-27, SIDE A                                                           
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON called the meeting to order at 3:17 p.m. on                  
  March 30, 1993.  Members present were Reps. Hudson, Porter,                  
  Williams, Mulder, Sitton and Mackie.  Rep. Green was                         
  excused.                                                                     
  HB 236 - NEWSPAPER OF GENERAL CIRCULATION DEFINED                            
                                                                               
  Number 010                                                                   
                                                                               
  BOB GOULD, principal owner of the ALASKA JOURNAL OF                          
  COMMERCE, testified that the purpose of HB 236 was to                        
  promote competition in the market place for legal                            
  advertisements.  Most legal advertisements in Alaska appear                  
  in metropolitan dailies.  In most other jurisdictions the                    
  same ads would appear in specialty papers and the readership                 
  would mostly be made up of bankers, attorneys and title                      
  companies.                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. GOULD pointed out that Alaska statutes simply state that                 
  the notices have to appear in a newspaper of general                         
  circulation without a definition of what "a paper of general                 
  circulation" means.  Mr. Gould explained that the title                      
  company underwriter was the entity responsible for                           
  publishing the default notices in Alaskan papers and they                    
  are generally out-of-state firms not familiar with the size                  
  and scope of Alaska.                                                         
                                                                               
  MR. GOULD stated that if HB 236 were to pass, these firms                    
  would be able to publish in newspapers other than the big                    
  three in the state without fear of violating the statutes,                   
  as the definition would be specific.                                         
                                                                               
  Number 270                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON read the following amendment:                                
                                                                               
       To section 3, add a new sentence to read:  "the notice                  
       may be given by using a combination of print and                        
       broadcasting media in communities with two or more                      
       daily newspapers the notice shall be published in the                   
       daily newspaper with the lowest advertising rates."                     
                                                                               
  Number 289                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. MACKIE read the following amendment:                                    
                                                                               
       On page 2, lines 9-10, delete:  "have a total paid                      
       circulation of at least 2,500 bona fide subscribers"                    
                                                                               
       and insert:  "has an average paid circulation or                        
       distribution of at least 1500 copies of each issue."                    
                                                                               
  Discussion ensued regarding this amendment.  The amendment                   
  was moved and adopted.                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 365                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. MULDER expressed his concern on line 9, section B, that                 
  the paper had to be in existence for at least two years.  He                 
  was concerned that this would hurt new starts.                               
                                                                               
  Number 380                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. GOULD explained that some arbitrary figure had routinely                 
  been used to ensure that the publication had some track                      
  record to count on.  Mr. Gould further pointed out that the                  
  amount of revenue generated by legal notices in the larger                   
  newspapers was small compared to their other sources of                      
  income.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 410                                                                   
                                                                               
  JOHN MCKAY, ALASKA DAILY NEWS, testified against HB 236,                     
  stating that it basically disqualified papers that currently                 
  published legal notices.  This bill would eliminate smaller                  
  newspapers.                                                                  
                                                                               
  MR. MCKAY believed that the bill is a merchandizing tool for                 
  the Journal of Commerce.                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 462                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON inquired how HB 236 would hurt smaller                       
  newspapers.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 470                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. MCKAY pointed out that a number of the smaller                           
  communities have newspapers with a paid circulation or                       
  distribution of less than 2500, or even the 1500 the                         
  amendment called for.                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 495                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. GOULD added that currently four newspapers in Alaska                     
  cover the bulk of the state's legal notices.                                 
                                                                               
  Number 521                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON stated that it was not the committee's                       
  intention to exclude anyone.                                                 
                                                                               
  REP. MULDER moved to amend the earlier amendment to lower                    
  the number from 1500 to 1000.                                                
                                                                               
  No objections were heard; it was so ordered.                                 
                                                                               
  Number 533                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. MACKIE moved for passage of CSHB 236(L&C) with a fiscal                 
  note, and unanimous consent.  No objections were noted; it                   
  was so ordered.                                                              
  Number 540                                                                   
                                                                               
  HB 249 - ELECTRICAL/MECHANICAL TRADESPERSONS                                 
                                                                               
  REP. GARY DAVIS, PRIME SPONSOR of HB 249, read a sponsor                     
  statement.  Rep. Davis stated that the purpose of HB 249 is                  
  to protect the safety of people and property in the state                    
  from the danger of improperly installed electrical wiring                    
  and equipment and installed or retrofitted mechanical                        
  systems.  This will be accomplished by assuring the public                   
  that persons responsible for making electrical and                           
  mechanical installations in this state are qualified and                     
  that a sufficient number of persons are so qualified.                        
                                                                               
  Number 604                                                                   
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER CHARLES MAHLEN, DEPARTMENT OF LABOR, testified                  
  in support of HB 249, reiterating the sponsor's statement.                   
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-27, SIDE B                                                           
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHRIS HERBY testified in support of HB 249 from Ketchikan.                   
  Mr. Herby stated that he practiced as an electrical                          
  administrator in another state that does not have these                      
  provisions and the quality of work performed was much lower                  
  than Alaska's.                                                               
                                                                               
  Number 041                                                                   
                                                                               
  GARY TRIEWEILER testified in support of HB 249 from Homer.                   
  Mr. Trieweiler echoed the statement given above.                             
                                                                               
  Number 063                                                                   
                                                                               
  DOUG DONEGAN testified in support of HB 249 from Anchorage.                  
  Mr. Donegan echoed the statements given above.                               
                                                                               
  Number 114                                                                   
                                                                               
  DENNY BOWDEN testified in support of HB 249 from Anchorage.                  
  Mr. Bowden echoed the statements given above.                                
                                                                               
  Number 115                                                                   
                                                                               
  STANLEY BISHOP testified in support of HB 249 from                           
  Anchorage.  Mr. Bishop echoed the statements given above.                    
                                                                               
  Number 137                                                                   
                                                                               
  RALPH WINTERROWD testified in support of HB 249 from                         
  Anchorage.  Mr. Winterrowd echoed the statements given above                 
  and added that he would like to see more prosecutions of                     
  persons who violate these statutes.                                          
                                                                               
  GERALD NEWTON, representing the INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF                 
  ELECTRICAL INSPECTORS, testified from Fairbanks in support                   
  of HB 249.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 188                                                                   
                                                                               
  DAVE ELBERT testified in support of HB 249 from Fairbanks                    
  and echoed the above statement.                                              
                                                                               
  Number 202                                                                   
                                                                               
  HUGH DOOGAN testified in support of HB 249 from Fairbanks.                   
                                                                               
  Number 226                                                                   
                                                                               
  GEORGE CARNAHAN testified from Kenai that he would support                   
  the bill, except sections 6 and 9 in the sectional analysis.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  REP. MACKIE pointed out that the committee was presently                     
  working from a sponsor substitute and not the original bill                  
  Mr. Carnahan was addressing.                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 301                                                                   
                                                                               
  MARTIN HALL testified in support of HB 249 from Soldotna.                    
                                                                               
  Number 311                                                                   
                                                                               
  MARK JOHNSON testified in support of HB 249 from Soldotna                    
  with the exception of one item on page 9, line 21.  Mr.                      
  Johnson stated that the bill should not exempt fire alarms                   
  from inspections.                                                            
                                                                               
  Number 340                                                                   
                                                                               
  WILL JAHRIG testified in support of HB 249 from Soldotna,                    
  but wanted clarification on the testing procedure and times                  
  between testing.                                                             
                                                                               
  Number 350                                                                   
                                                                               
  AL DWYER, DEPARTMENT OF LABOR, testified that the testing                    
  would be done weekly.                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 385                                                                   
                                                                               
  MARYLOU VILANDRE testified from Sitka in support of HB 249,                  
  but expressed her concern regarding contractors from out-of-                 
  state who are not physically present on the job when the                     
  work is done.  Ms. Vilandre said she would like to see a                     
  requirement that ensures that this is not allowed.                           
                                                                               
  Number 408                                                                   
                                                                               
  JOHN SKANNES testified from Sitka and echoed Ms. Vilandre's                  
  comments.                                                                    
                                                                               
  PETE JURCZAK testified from Sitka in support of HB 249.                      
                                                                               
  REP. MACKIE moved for passage of SSHB 249 with individual                    
  recommendations, fiscal note, and unanimous consent.  No                     
  objection was heard; it was so ordered.                                      
  HB 247 - WEIGHTS & MEASURES: INSPECTIONS/CITATIONS                           
                                                                               
  WENDY MULDER, SPECIAL ASSISTANT, DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND                  
  ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, read the following sponsor statement                   
  on HB 247:                                                                   
                                                                               
  "Prior to 1986, weights and  measures inspectors had the                     
  authority to issue citations for weights and measure                         
  violations.  Changes were made to AS 45.75 in 1986 to                        
  authorize weigh station operators to issue citations for                     
  truck size and permit violations.  When these changes were                   
  made, the weights and measures inspectors were inadvertently                 
  stripped of their authority to issue citations.  During the                  
  last year, the Division of Measurement Standards promulgated                 
  regulations that provide for the registrations of all                        
  weighing and measuring devices with the division and the                     
  payment of an annual fee.  To allow the division to                          
  adequately enforce AS 45.75 it is necessary for the weights                  
  and measures inspectors to have the authority to issue                       
  citations for those persons who choose to violate the law.                   
  Most, if not all, weights and measures jurisdictions in the                  
  United States and Canada possess this authority.  This does                  
  not mean that a rash of new citations will be issued, but it                 
  does give the weights and measures official an effective                     
  enforcement tool.                                                            
                                                                               
  "Within current budget constraints, the division is unable                   
  to maintain semiannual inspections in all locations in                       
  Alaska.  Amending AS 45.75.080 will allow the director to                    
  establish inspection priorities based on inspection history                  
  of various device types, inspecting most devices at least                    
  annually, and others more often if necessary."                               
                                                                               
  REP. SITTON moved for passage of HB 247 with individual                      
  recommendations, fiscal note, and asked unanimous consent.                   
  No objections were heard; it was so ordered.                                 
  CONFIRMATIONS                                                                
                                                                               
  Number 500                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON brought up the following names for                           
  confirmation:                                                                
                                                                               
  Ray Kimberlin     - Alaska Workers' Compensation Board                       
  Nancy J. Ridgley  - Alaska Workers' Compensation Board                       
  Darrell F. Smith  - Alaska Workers' compensation Board                       
  William M. Bishop - Alcohol Beverage and Control Board                       
  Jane Perkins      - Alcohol Beverage and Control Board                       
  James Carter      - Alaska Public Utilities Commission                       
  Terral F. Wanzer  - Real Estate Commission                                   
  Ken Kincaid       - Real Estate Appraisers                                   
                                                                               
  REP. MACKIE moved for approval of the confirmations.                         
  No objections were noted; they were so ordered.                              
  Number 541                                                                   
                                                                               
  HB 170 - EXTEND BOARD OF MARINE PILOTS                                       
                                                                               
  REP. JERRY SANDERS, PRIME SPONSOR of HB 170, stated that the                 
  Board of Marine Pilots was created under AS 08.62.040, and                   
  includes membership of two marine pilots licensed under                      
  Alaska statutes and regulations, two vessel agents or                        
  managers, two public members, and the commissioner of                        
  Commerce or his designee.  The board ensures the maintenance                 
  of efficient and competent pilotage service on the inland                    
  and coastal water of and adjacent to the state to assure the                 
  protection of shipping, the safety of human life and                         
  property, and the protection of the marine environment.  It                  
  establishes qualifications of and the required training for                  
  pilots, provides for the examination of pilots, and the                      
  issuance of original and renewal licenses to qualified                       
  persons.                                                                     
                                                                               
  REP. SANDERS said continuance of the board is considered                     
  essential due to the continued emphasis on competition, the                  
  requirement to set tariffs, and the constant evolution of                    
  state statutes and regulations which require implementation                  
  in the interest  of commerce and safety.                                     
                                                                               
  REP. MACKIE moved for passage of HB 170 with individual                      
  recommendations.  No objections were heard; it was so                        
  ordered.                                                                     
  Number 567                                                                   
                                                                               
  HB 237 - MARINE PILOT LICENSING AND TARIFFS                                  
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN BILL HUDSON, PRIME SPONSOR of HB 237, read the                      
  sponsor statement.  He explained that HB 237 was introduced                  
  to fine-tune Alaska's Marine Pilot Act of 1991, and to                       
  provide a mechanism to determine pilotage tariffs, now left                  
  to the several pilot organizations by statutory provision,                   
  and scheduled to be repealed on June 30, 1994.                               
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON further stated that while the 1991 Act                       
  improved marine pilotage in Alaska, its implementation has                   
  revealed that many problems still need to be addressed,                      
  specifically with regard to the powers of the Board of                       
  Marine Pilots and tariff setting.  HB 237 seeks to remedy                    
  these problems by:                                                           
                                                                               
  1)  better defining the powers of the Board of Marine Pilots                 
  to make it more effective; and                                               
                                                                               
  2)  charging the APUC with the authority to set tariffs.                     
                                                                               
  Number 619                                                                   
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER PAUL FUHS, DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC                  
  DEVELOPMENT, testified in support of the work put into HB
  237 and emphasized the importance of HB 237.  Commissioner                   
  Fuhs pointed out that 95 percent of Alaska's resources move                  
  over the water.                                                              
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER FUHS stated that Alaska has four regions in the                 
  state, two of which have competing piloting organizations                    
  and two that don't.                                                          
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-28, SIDE A                                                           
  Number 001                                                                   
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER FUHS explained that a lot of the issues the                     
  committee will deal with are safety and efficiency; some of                  
  the most contentious issues are purely money.  Commissioner                  
  Fuhs explained that the department called for a meeting last                 
  month with the various aspects of the pilotage industry and                  
  pilot groups to get people talking and air their concerns.                   
                                                                               
  Number 020                                                                   
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER FUHS reiterated the importance of moving some                   
  of the decision making to the Alaska Public Utilities                        
  Commission (APUC) and suggested that the APUC be charged                     
  with the responsibility of setting the number of pilots                      
  allowed to operate in the state.                                             
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER FUHS commented that he did not know of any                      
  other industry where the same words were used to mean the                    
  exact opposite, and he expressed his hope that the committee                 
  would look and listen carefully to all sides of the issues.                  
                                                                               
  Number 072                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. WILLIAMS asked what the outcome was of the meeting Mr.                  
  Fuhs mentioned.                                                              
                                                                               
  MR. FUHS explained that they were still working on getting                   
  the parties together in some sort of agreeable fashion.                      
                                                                               
  REP. WILLIAMS stated that he was of the opinion that the                     
  people involved in the issues come together instead of                       
  looking to the legislature to solve everything.                              
                                                                               
  Number 115                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON commented that he and his staff have met                     
  with all sides of every issue and have come to the                           
  conclusion that it would be impossible to please everyone on                 
  every issue.                                                                 
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON pointed out that his major concerns were:                    
                                                                               
       - safety of the movement of ships in Alaskan waters;                    
                                                                               
       - qualifications of the pilots;                                         
                                                                               
       _ making certain that the pilots are separated from the                 
        shipping companies, so that there can be no undue                      
         influence put on the pilots; and                                      
                                                                               
       - uniform fees for taking a ship from point A to point                  
        B.                                                                     
                                                                               
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER FUHS added another concern that the costs of                    
  pilotage not be so high that it be a deterrent to commerce,                  
  and that the number of pilots be so great that pilots can't                  
  make a living.                                                               
                                                                               
  Number 169                                                                   
                                                                               
  DON SCHROER, CHAIRMAN, ALASKA PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION                    
  (APUC), testified that the commission does not have a                        
  position on HB 237 yet.  He said a public meeting would be                   
  scheduled in the near future to develop a commission                         
  position and fiscal note for HB 237.  Mr. Schroer asked for                  
  a deferment until the commission has time to evaluate the                    
  costs involved in taking on this added responsibility.                       
                                                                               
  Number 199                                                                   
                                                                               
  CARL LUCK, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF OCCUPATIONAL LICENSING,                     
  DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, testified                   
  that under current law there are provisions for competition                  
  within regions as well as across regions.  He stated that                    
  there is an unlimited number of pilots; the board is                         
  balanced between the pilot industry and the public; the                      
  board sets maximum tariffs; and then the pilot organizations                 
  negotiate with industry.  He further noted that the board                    
  disciplines pilots, approves pilot organizations, sets                       
  training programs, licenses pilots, upgrades pilots, tests                   
  pilots, and creates piloting regions.  He said pilots are                    
  independent contractors, prohibited from being employees,                    
  and have to carry insurance.                                                 
                                                                               
  MR. LUCK stated that HB 237 would limit the number of                        
  pilots, and most states already do that.                                     
                                                                               
  MR. LUCK added that he hoped the following issues would be                   
  addressed by this legislature:                                               
                                                                               
       - safety on Alaskan waters;                                             
                                                                               
       - licensed pilots for cross regions;                                    
                                                                               
       - equitable tariffs set by unbiased entity; and                         
                                                                               
       - pilot dispatching.                                                    
                                                                               
  MR. LUCK  detailed some of the requirements to become a                      
  licensed pilot in this state.                                                
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON noted that HB 237 does not address the pilot                 
  dispatch issue.                                                              
                                                                               
  Number 601                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. PORTER asked, If the Alaska Public Utilities Commission                 
  were to limit the number of pilots, would it pose a problem                  
  to the free movement of commerce?                                            
                                                                               
  MR. LUCK explained that the pilotage act does not make the                   
  free movement of commerce a determining factor; safety is                    
  the only concern.                                                            
                                                                               
  REP. PORTER added that setting the maximum too low would                     
  curtail movement on the waters.                                              
                                                                               
  Number 623                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. LUCK stated that the formula used to set limits, both                    
  minimum and maximum, would have to provide for retirement,                   
  sickness, vacations, etc.  Mr. Luck further stated that he                   
  believed this could be done with a considerable amount of                    
  input and time.                                                              
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-28, SIDE B                                                           
  Number 001                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON stated that he had no problem with amending                  
  the bill to include a statement regarding the free movement                  
  of trade.                                                                    
                                                                               
  MR. LUCK stated that currently the state regulates the                       
  pilots and not the industry, but he envisioned industry                      
  having to come to the table in the future with at least some                 
  quantative analysis of how this affects the bottom line.                     
                                                                               
  REP. WILLIAMS inquired about the numbers Mr. Luck cited on                   
  when and how often pilots work.                                              
                                                                               
  MR. LUCK asked that the pilots answer for themselves.                        
                                                                               
  Number 060                                                                   
  PETER LIE-NIELSEN, ALASKA COASTWISE PILOTS, testified that                   
  his group was against setting a maximum number of pilots.                    
  Mr. Lie-Nielsen also noted that there are a large number of                  
  pilots over the age of 65 that will be retiring shortly.                     
                                                                               
  MR. LIE-NIELSEN added that in 1992 not one new pilot was                     
  licensed partly due to a strict licensing procedure.  Mr.                    
  Lie-Nielsen stated that the U.S. Coast Guard relaxed its                     
  restrictions on pilotage, resulting in the Exxon Valdez                      
  disaster.                                                                    
                                                                               
  MR. LIE-NIELSEN noted that there are numerous examples of                    
  vessels in compulsory waters moving without pilots because                   
  of the nonavailability of licensed pilots.                                   
                                                                               
  Number 212                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. SITTON inquired how much insurance and license fees                     
  were.                                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 224                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. LIE-NIELSEN stated that the insurance runs about                         
  $3,000.00 per year and the license fees are about $1,000.00                  
  per year.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 230                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON asked Mr. Lie-Nielsen why he believed the                    
  state would end up with too few pilots under this proposed                   
  legislation.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 244                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. LIE-NIELSEN answered that vessels do move on the water                   
  without pilots illegally, and restricting the number of                      
  pilots does a disservice to the concept of safety on the                     
  water.                                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 280                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON reiterated that it was his belief that a                     
  formula could be devised that would take into account the                    
  concerns mentioned above and would satisfy the needs of the                  
  industry.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 305                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. WILLIAMS expressed concern with putting a cap on the                    
  number of pilots.                                                            
                                                                               
  MR. LIE-NIELSEN agreed that this was a concern and that                      
  safety should come first.                                                    
  Number 343                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON interrupted to announce that he would hold                   
  SB 64 and HB 241 over for a future meeting.                                  
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON appointed a subcommittee on HB 185 composed                  
  of Reps. Porter, Green and Sitton.                                           
  Number 388                                                                   
                                                                               
  BERNIE SMITH, representing TESORO PETROLEUM AND ALASKA                       
  STEAMSHIPS, testified that HB 237 had some good points, but                  
  it needed more work, and he would like to see it held over                   
  the interim for further review.                                              
                                                                               
  Number 425                                                                   
                                                                               
  MICHAEL SPENCE, ALASKA COASTWISE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, read a                  
  statement on behalf of his group opposing HB 237.  Mr.                       
  Spence stated that his group was concerned about three                       
  elements of HB 237:                                                          
                                                                               
  1) fixing tariffs;                                                           
                                                                               
  2) fixing the number of pilots in a region; and                              
                                                                               
  3) forbidding cross regional pilotage.                                       
                                                                               
  Number 499                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON asked Mr. Spence to be specific as to what                   
  parts of HB 237 Mr. Spence had problems with.                                
                                                                               
  Number 507                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. SPENCE pointed out the following concerns:                               
                                                                               
       - HB 237 might create a shortage of pilots;                             
                                                                               
       - HB 237 prohibits cross region licensing;                              
                                                                               
       - giving authority to APUC would increase tariffs; and                  
                                                                               
       - HB 237 as written does not provide more safety.                       
                                                                               
  Number 569                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. LUCK clarified the licensing fee structure as it stands                  
  now.                                                                         
                                                                               
  Number 580                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. MACKIE asked Mr. Spence where and how in this bill                      
  would his organization be adversely affected.                                
                                                                               
  Number 593                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. SPENCE answered that it was his group's concern that the                 
  Board of Marine Pilots has been unfair in the past and that                  
  they couldn't make a fair and accurate assessment of what's                  
  needed.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 610                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. MACKIE asked that the persons limit their testimony to                  
  the legislation at hand and not air their feelings about                     
  alleged bias and "bad blood" from the past.  Rep. Mackie                     
  said he was only interested in good public policy, not the                   
  in-fighting between the groups.                                              
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-29, SIDE A                                                           
  Number 001                                                                   
                                                                               
  PHIL SWAN, SOUTHEAST ALASKA PILOTS ASSOCIATION, testified                    
  that his group supported HB 237.  Mr. Swan believed that HB
  237 would give the industry well-qualified pilots at a fair                  
  price and the state would benefit by retaining exclusive                     
  control over pilotage without any interference from                          
  industry.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 078                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. PORTER asked if HB 237 was the same as what's currently                 
  law on the west coast.                                                       
                                                                               
  MR. SWAN responded that HB 237 does bring Alaska law closer                  
  to what's being done on the West Coast.                                      
                                                                               
  Number 122                                                                   
                                                                               
  REP. MACKIE asked if there was anything about HB 237 that                    
  was detrimental to Mr. Swan's group.                                         
                                                                               
  MR. SWAN answered that his group had no concerns regarding                   
  the bill.                                                                    
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HUDSON announced that he would hold HB 237 over and                 
  adjourned the meeting at 6:34 p.m.                                           

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