Legislature(2025 - 2026)GRUENBERG 120

02/03/2025 01:15 PM House JUDICIARY

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01:16:00 PM Start
01:16:38 PM Presentation(s): Federal Grant and Loan Pause Impacts
02:54:37 PM Adjourn
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-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
+ Presentation: Federal Grant and Loan Pause TELECONFERENCED
Impacts
Office of Management and Budget, Alaska Court
System, Department of Public Safety, Department
of Military & Veterans Affairs, Department of
Law, Department of Health, Department of Family
and Community Services, Department of Education
and Early Development, Department of Corrections
<Above Presenters Removed from Agenda>
Laurie Wolf, CEO, The Foraker Group;
Jasmine Boyle, Rural Cap; Vivian Korthuis,
Association of Village Council Presidents; David
Traver, Former President, American Federation
of Government Employees
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        February 3, 2025                                                                                        
                           1:16 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Andrew Gray, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Chuck Kopp, Vice Chair                                                                                           
Representative Ted Eischeid                                                                                                     
Representative Genevieve Mina                                                                                                   
Representative Mia Costello                                                                                                     
Representative Jubilee Underwood                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Sarah Vance                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S):  FEDERAL GRANT AND LOAN PAUSE IMPACTS                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
LAURIE WOLF, Chief Executive Officer                                                                                            
The Foraker Group                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave a presentation on the impact of                                                                     
Alaska's nonprofit Sector.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JASMINE BOYLE, Chief Development Officer                                                                                        
RurAL CAP                                                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave invited testimony during the Federal                                                                
Grant and Loan Pause Impacts presentation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
VIVIAN KORTHUIS, Chief Executive Officer                                                                                        
Association of Village Council Presidents                                                                                       
Bethel, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave invited testimony during the Federal                                                                
Grant and Loan Pause Impacts presentation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JOCELYN FENTON, Director of Programs                                                                                            
Denali Commission                                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Gave  a presentation on  the impact  of the                                                             
federal grant and loan pause on the Denali Commission.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DAVID TRAVER, Chief Union Steward                                                                                               
American Federation of Government Employees                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Gave invited  testimony during  the Federal                                                             
Grant and Loan Pause Impacts presentation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:16:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ANDREW  GRAY called the House  Judiciary Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to order at 1:16 p.m.   Representatives * were present at                                                               
the call to order.  Representatives  * arrived as the meeting was                                                               
in progress.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S):  Federal Grant and Loan Pause Impacts                                                                         
     PRESENTATION(S):  Federal Grant and Loan Pause Impacts                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
1:16:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GRAY  announced that  the only order  of business  would be                                                               
the Federal Grant  and Loan Pause Impacts presentation.   He read                                                               
the following prepared remarks [original punctuation provided]:                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The purpose  of today's  hearing is  to gain  a clearer                                                                    
     understanding of  how federal funds are  distributed in                                                                    
     Alaska,   their  role   in   employment  and   economic                                                                    
     activity,  and  the  potential  implications  if  those                                                                    
     funds were ever paused or reduced.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     To  provide context,  on  Monday  evening, January  27,                                                                    
     Acting  U.S.  Office  of Management  and  Budget  (OMB)                                                                    
     Director  Matthew Vaeth  issued  a  memo authorizing  a                                                                    
     temporary freeze on hundreds  of billions of dollars in                                                                    
     federal  loans  and  grants.   By  the  following  day,                                                                    
     January  28,  organizations   expecting  federal  funds                                                                    
     found themselves  without access to the  money they had                                                                    
     planned  for. Later  that evening,  a  judge issued  an                                                                    
     injunction temporarily  halting the freeze, and  by the                                                                    
     next morning,  Wednesday, January  29, the  memo itself                                                                    
     had been rescinded.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     In a  statement, White  House Press  Secretary Karoline                                                                    
     Leavitt  clarified  that  the  memo  was  withdrawn  to                                                                    
     address uncertainty  caused by the court's  ruling. She                                                                    
     also  reaffirmed that  the  executive orders  regarding                                                                    
     federal funding  remain in effect and  will continue to                                                                    
     be implemented.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Although  funding  has  been  restored  for  now,  last                                                                    
     week's   events    underscored   Alaska's   significant                                                                    
     reliance  on  federal  dollarsno  state  receives  more                                                                    
     federal  funding per  capita than  Alaska. This  moment                                                                    
     also  serves  as an  opportunity  to  examine just  how                                                                    
     federal  grants  and  loans  are  integrated  into  our                                                                    
     state's economy.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Several state agencies were  invited to provide insight                                                                    
     into  how  federal   funding  supports  their  budgets.                                                                    
     However, they have requested  additional time to ensure                                                                    
     their testimony  reflects the latest guidance  from the                                                                    
     federal  administration,  allowing  them to  provide  a                                                                    
     more precise assessment of any potential impacts.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     As  a   result,  today's   testimony  will   come  from                                                                    
     organizations  outside of  state government.  They will                                                                    
     share  how much  of  their funding  comes from  federal                                                                    
     sources, how those  funds are used, and  what effects a                                                                    
     funding  pause   or  reduction  would  have   on  their                                                                    
     operations and on Alaska's economy as a whole.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:19:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LAURIE  WOLF, Chief  Executive Officer,  presented a  PowerPoint,                                                               
titled  "Discover  the  economic  impact  of  Alaska's  nonprofit                                                               
Sector" hard  copy included in  the committee packet].   She said                                                               
the  federal  administration's  array of  executive  orders  have                                                               
caused widespread  confusion and are having  a significant impact                                                               
on Alaskans  regardless of  their voting  record.   She expressed                                                               
great concern over President Trump's  attempt to stop all federal                                                               
funding  tied  to these  executive  orders.   She  described  the                                                               
importance of state  nonprofits and Tribes and  the services they                                                               
provide  to  Alaska  communities  and  underscored  the  economic                                                               
impact  of cutting  nonprofit jobs  from the  economy.   In 2023,                                                               
$38.6  billion in  federal assistance  came to  Alaska, of  which                                                               
nonprofits received $1.21 billion.   Last week, The Juneau Empire                                                               
reported that  33 percent of  the state budget is  federal funds.                                                               
She gave a  snapshot of federal investments in  Alaska from 2022-                                                               
2024,  which provided  access to  village safe  water; affordable                                                               
energy  sources;  and  better health  care,  infrastructure,  and                                                               
communication.  Many of these  projects are in mid-funding cycle,                                                               
and delays  would only hinder  an already stretched  and stressed                                                               
workforce.    In  addition  to   U.S.  Agency  for  International                                                               
Development  (USAID)  funding,   funds  from  the  Infrastructure                                                               
Investment and  Jobs Act (IIJA)  and the Inflation  Reduction Act                                                               
(IRA) are  frozen, and  all projects  are currently  under review                                                               
with   no  clear   timeline  for   release.     She  shared   her                                                               
understanding  that the  U.S.  Department  of Agriculture  (USDA)                                                               
portal  for Alaska  and  all Substance  Abuse  and Mental  Health                                                               
Services (SAMHSA)  funds are currently  unavailable.   Impacts on                                                               
organizations   and   Alaskans  include   [original   punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     • Increased unemployment                                                                                                   
       • Negative impact and reduced access to the Tribal                                                                       
     health system                                                                                                              
     • Increased rates of substance misuse/abuse, suicide,                                                                      
     and domestic violence                                                                                                      
     • Decreased physical and mental health and well-being                                                                      
     of Alaskans, including                                                                                                     
     premature death                                                                                                            
         • A push of Alaskans to higher levels of care                                                                          
     (emergency rooms, institutions, jails)                                                                                     
      • Reduced access to safe drinking water, nutritious                                                                       
     and traditional foods, education                                                                                           
        • The increased risk that Alaska Native culture,                                                                        
     language, and traditions become                                                                                            
     extinct                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:37:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. WOLF, in  response to a series of  committee questions, cited                                                               
two lawsuits that  were filed in response to  the federal funding                                                               
freeze:   one led  by the National  Council of  Nonprofits (NCN),                                                               
and another filed by 22 state  attorney generals.  With regard to                                                               
duplicated  services,  she said  any  consolidation  would be  an                                                               
enormous hurdle  to overcome and  cautioned against a  timely and                                                               
expensive solution.  As for  reinstating the funds, she explained                                                               
that some  funds are "under  review" for release;  however, there                                                               
is still  confusion about process  and no promise that  the funds                                                               
will be released.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:44:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JASMINE  BOYLE,  Chief  Development   Officer,  RurAL  CAP,  gave                                                               
invited  testimony  during  the  Federal  Grant  and  Loan  Pause                                                               
Impacts  presentation.   She  gave background  on  RurAL CAP  and                                                               
explained how the  organization has been affected  by the federal                                                               
funding  freeze.   The immediate  reaction, she  said, is  a cash                                                               
flow challenge.   RurAL  Cap's budget is  $40 million  on average                                                               
with over 60  percent in federal funding.   Following the federal                                                               
announcements, state partners  reported employee resignations and                                                               
no   shows.     She  expressed   concern  about   the  pause   on                                                               
infrastructure funding,  which would  set building back  years on                                                               
end.   In addition,  without secure  funding or  solid timelines,                                                               
contractors may  move on  to other  opportunities.   The guidance                                                               
received  through   the  legal  process  is   that  each  federal                                                               
department  will communicate  whether its  funds will  be frozen.                                                               
Despite  the  pause  having  been  officially  lifted,  she  said                                                               
communication  has been  inconsistent.   She  shared RurAL  CAP's                                                               
experience  with the  funding pause,  explaining  that all  funds                                                               
were frozen  overnight, including existing obligations  that have                                                               
been in place for 60 years.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:57:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VIVIAN KORTHUIS, Chief Executive  Officer, Association of Village                                                               
Council  Presidents (AVCP),  gave  invited  testimony during  the                                                               
Federal  Grant   and  Loan  Pause  Impacts   presentation.    She                                                               
explained that  the one-day funding  freeze impacted AVCP  in the                                                               
following  ways:  Firstly, the  [U.S.  Office  of Management  and                                                               
Budget (OMB)] memorandum created  chaos and confusion.  Secondly,                                                               
Tribal  membership raised  several  concerns,  including lack  of                                                               
information,  concerns over  Tribal resilience  grants, questions                                                               
about  funding  for  senior  or  elder  programs,  and  financial                                                               
portals  shutting   down.    Tribes  expressed   concerned  about                                                               
disruption  of  services,  such  as  Tribal  ID  cards,  and  the                                                               
shutdown  of  the  Burau  of   Indian  Affairs  (BIA)  office  in                                                               
Anchorage.  In  addition, Ms. Korthius pointed out  that the memo                                                               
questioned  the  special  status  of Indian  Country  and  Alaska                                                               
Native  Tribes.   She questioned  how compacting  and contracting                                                               
would be protected in Alaska.   Lastly, she assured the committee                                                               
that AVCP and  member Tribes are committed to  staying the course                                                               
and would continue to provide services.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:06:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. KORTHUIS, in  response to committee questions,  said AVCP and                                                               
the  Alaska  Federation of  Natives  (AFN)  have been  in  direct                                                               
communication with U.S. Senator Murkowski's office.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:08:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOCELYN   FENTON,  Director   of  Programs,   Denali  Commission,                                                               
presented  a PowerPoint,  titled  "Federal Grant  and Loan  Pause                                                               
Impacts" [included in the committee  packet].  She stated that on                                                               
January 31, 2025, a federal  court issued a temporary restraining                                                               
order  directing  federal grant  making  agencies  not to  pause,                                                               
freeze,   impede,  block,   cancel,  or   terminate  awards   and                                                               
obligations,  effectually  barring  the  pause of  IIJA  and  IRA                                                               
funding  disbursements.    She  shared  the  Denali  Commission's                                                               
background  and  mission,  and highlighted  place-based  projects                                                               
utilizing  IIJA  funding:  $50,630,352   in  active  and  pending                                                               
projects,  $35,663,580  in   obligations;  and  $33,049,823  that                                                               
remains unspent.  She discussed  the following key takeaways from                                                               
the funding freeze [original punctuation provided]:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     1. 2025 construction season                                                                                                
     2. Continued Deterioration of critical infrastructure                                                                      
        3. Low cash flow organizations and operations on                                                                        
     reimbursable basis                                                                                                         
     4. Alaska Workforce impacts                                                                                                
     5. Match funding for other grants (FEMA BRIC, etc)                                                                         
     6. Critical/emergency project impacts                                                                                      
      7. Mitigation: encouraging normal operations resume,                                                                      
     balance shortfalls with SOA and philanthropic funding,                                                                     
     bridge loans to assist continuity of operations                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:21:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. FENTON, in response to  a series of committee questions,                                                                    
stated that specific  conversations about filling shortfalls                                                                    
with  state  and philanthropic  dollars  has  not been  had,                                                                    
however,  the  Denali  Commission  should be  able  to  move                                                                    
forward with  funding as  it was  appropriated.   The Denali                                                                    
Commission's base  funding comes  from [the  state's] annual                                                                    
appropriation, plus an  additional one-time appropriation of                                                                    
$75  million   from  the  IIJA  and   transfers  from  other                                                                    
agencies.    She  detailed   the  application  of  workforce                                                                    
development programs and clarified  that the commission does                                                                    
not write  grants to for-profit  entities aside  from Alaska                                                                    
Native Claims Settlement Act (ANCSA) regional corporations.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:31:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID TRAVER,  Chief Union  Steward, American  Federation of                                                                    
Government Employees  (AFGE), gave invited  testimony during                                                                    
the Federal Grant  and Loan Pause Impacts  presentation.  He                                                                    
reported  that  an executive  order  seeks  to terminate  at                                                                    
least 5  to 10  percent of  the federal  workforce, starting                                                                    
with probationary  employees.   In Alaska, there  are 11,078                                                                    
federal employees,  of which 1,198  have less than  one year                                                                    
and  are  most likely  on  probationary  status.   If  these                                                                    
probationary employees are  let go, total lost  wages to the                                                                    
state would amount to $88,898,788.   In addition, there is a                                                                    
solicitation  from the  Trump  administration for  voluntary                                                                    
resignations.    He  emphasized that  the  impact  would  be                                                                    
chilling.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. TRAVER,  in response to committee  questions, shared his                                                                    
understanding that  all of the  11,078 federal  employees in                                                                    
Alaska  received voluntary  resignation  offers.   He  added                                                                    
that of  the probationary employees,  335 are veterans.   He                                                                    
said the  loss of funds  would be deep  reaching, especially                                                                    
for veterans in rural Alaska.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:43:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BOYLE added  that RurAL CAP has been told  to expect the                                                                    
bureaucracy and  administration of complex programs  to slow                                                                    
down, and  to financially  plan for the  heightened interest                                                                    
around  resignations   and  new  gaps  in   federal  partner                                                                    
organizations.   She  explained that  the majority  of state                                                                    
and  federal  funds are  reimbursements,  so  the money  has                                                                    
already been spent  in a good faith business  agreement.  If                                                                    
it can't be recouped,  it would cause institutional problems                                                                    
for every nonprofit.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TRAVER,  in  response  to  a  question  about  pathways                                                                    
forward for veterans, explained  that the federal government                                                                    
is   funded   through  March,   and   if   the  funding   is                                                                    
discontinued, resignations  could be terminated  sooner than                                                                    
September.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BOYLE reported  that U.S.  Senator Murkowski  had three                                                                    
different  work  sessions  and a  conversation  with  Tribal                                                                    
organizations,  impacted  nonprofits,  and state  and  local                                                                    
government  officials.   Feedback  is being  compiled and  a                                                                    
comprehensive data set would be forthcoming.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:54:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the                                                                       
House Judiciary Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at                                                                     
2:54 p.m.                                                                                                                       

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Economic Report 2024 2-3-25 House Judiciary -final.pdf HJUD 2/3/2025 1:15:00 PM
Federal
Federal Grant and Loan Pause
Federal Grant and Loan Pause Impacts
The Foraker Group
Denali Commission FY25 Update.pdf HJUD 2/3/2025 1:15:00 PM
Federal Zreeze impacts