Legislature(2023 - 2024)GRUENBERG 120

03/17/2023 01:00 PM House JUDICIARY

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01:03:31 PM Presentation(s): Alaska Survivors of Human and Sex Trafficking
02:59:05 PM Adjourn
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 17, 2023                                                                                         
                           1:02 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Sarah Vance, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Jamie Allard, Vice Chair                                                                                         
Representative Ben Carpenter                                                                                                    
Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                    
Representative David Eastman                                                                                                    
Representative Andrew Gray                                                                                                      
Representative Cliff Groh                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Cronk                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S):  ALASKA SURVIVORS OF HUMAN AND SEX TRAFFICKING                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
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PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COURTNEY, representing self                                                                                                     
(No address provided)                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided invited testimony during the                                                                     
presentation on Alaska survivors of human and sex trafficking.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HANNAH, representing self                                                                                                       
(No address provided)                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT Provided invited testimony during the                                                                      
presentation on Alaska survivors of human and sex trafficking.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:02:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SARAH  VANCE called the House  Judiciary Standing Committee                                                             
meeting  to order  at 1:02  p.m.   Representatives Carpenter,  C.                                                               
Johnson,  Gray, and  Vance were  present  at the  call to  order.                                                               
Representatives Groh, Allard, and  Eastman arrived as the meeting                                                               
was in progress.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S):  Alaska Survivors of Human and Sex Trafficking                                                                
PRESENTATION(S):  Alaska Survivors of Human and Sex Trafficking                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:03:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE  announced that the  only order of business  would be                                                               
the Alaska Survivors of Human and Sex Trafficking presentation.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:04:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COURTNEY,  representing self,  provided invited  testimony during                                                               
the Alaska  Survivors of Human and  Sex Trafficking presentation.                                                               
She shared  her story, recalling  that after being  released from                                                               
drug rehabilitation  in 2014,  she had no  support system  in the                                                               
community and no place  to live.  Unsure of where  to go, she had                                                               
been at an Anchorage McDonalds when  a man who looked "clean" and                                                               
was "kind  and inviting"  offered to  help her.   She  thought he                                                               
would help her in the way she needed help.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COURTNEY continued that the man took  her to a house in a middle-                                                               
class  neighborhood, which  was  empty  except for  a  bed and  a                                                               
dresser.   She stated that in  the house there were  a variety of                                                               
drugs, and when  she was offered the drugs, she  accepted, as she                                                               
was just  out of drug  rehabilitation.   She stated that  the man                                                               
took her shopping and made her  promises, but there was no sexual                                                               
activity at  this point.  She  stated that this grooming  went on                                                               
for weeks.   After this  she was taken  to another nice  house to                                                               
meet a  woman who continued to  groom her by teaching  her how to                                                               
act  in front  of the  man and  his friends.   She  expressed the                                                               
understanding that  this woman  had been  in her  situation years                                                               
before.  She  had asked to use  the phone at this  point, but the                                                               
woman refused this request.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COURTNEY stated  that after leaving  this house she  was expected                                                               
to meet  the man's sexual desires  on demand.  He  controlled her                                                               
every move  and manipulated  her thoughts.   This  escalated into                                                               
daily abuse, and from this he  would make her have sex with other                                                               
people, which became  her routine.  She said she  never knew what                                                               
the situation  would be with  the different people, as  some just                                                               
wanted to  talk, while  others would be  violent.   She described                                                               
being  "tired and  beat down  at this  point," as  she was  raped                                                               
multiple times  and forced to have  sex with both men  and women.                                                               
She described being so repulsed,  numb, exhausted, and strung-out                                                               
that  she  would  vomit.    She  said  that  the  situation  felt                                                               
hopeless.  She  stated that she started believing  that her value                                                               
was based  on her  physical appearance and  money.   She recalled                                                               
feeling like "trash."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:15:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COURTNEY said  that she had  given up at  this point and  was not                                                               
trying to please anyone.  She stated  that in 2017 she was put in                                                               
a hotel  room with other women  who were waiting to  be flown out                                                               
of state.   She was flown  to San Antonia, Texas,  and taken from                                                               
the airport  to a nice neighborhood.   She expressed that  no one                                                               
would believe that this was  happening in this neighborhood.  She                                                               
described the house  as having cameras and multiple  locks on the                                                               
doors.   At this point  her routine included showering,  sex, and                                                               
then being given  drugs, which she no longer wanted.   She stated                                                               
that  she was  strapped down  and given  intravenous drugs.   She                                                               
said she ran  away multiple times, but each time  she was caught,                                                               
drugged,  taken home,  and beaten.  She  recalled her  experience                                                               
going to the  hospital with a broken ankle, adding  that she knew                                                               
better not  to speak.   She  stated that an  officer came  to the                                                               
hospital, but out of fear she  told them they were mistaken.  She                                                               
stated that with  the broken ankle she was worthless  to the man,                                                               
as  he only  cared about  power and  money.   She stated  that he                                                               
stopped giving her drugs, so she went into detox.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:21:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COURTNEY stated  that in  2019, the  house was  raided.   At this                                                               
point, she said, she  was put in a car while  the man was allowed                                                               
to stay in the  house.  For the first time, she  was able to tell                                                               
everything that  had happened  to her;  however, she  was charged                                                               
with prostitution, while the man  was not prosecuted.  She stated                                                               
that this  charge is still on  her record.  Outside  of the house                                                               
she was allowed  to leave the police car, so  she returned to the                                                               
house.  She  explained that she felt helpless  because the police                                                               
would  not  help.    She  went  back  to  the  routine,  but  her                                                               
identification card had been taken by the man.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COURTNEY stated that  she was then taken to a  patron who did not                                                               
want sex,  and he let  her telephone her  mother, who sent  her a                                                               
new identification  card to the  patron's address, which  she was                                                               
able to  hide from the man.   She described the  opportunity that                                                               
allowed  her   to  run.     She  described  this  as   a  "divine                                                               
appointment."  Her handler had  fallen asleep, the security guard                                                               
watching the  door was gone, the  cameras were shut off,  and she                                                               
had her identification  card.  She said that  suddenly every door                                                               
was open  for her to  be free, and with  the help of  her family,                                                               
she was able to fly home.  She  stated that her family met her at                                                               
the airport  where she  felt love  for the  first time  in years.                                                               
She  discussed  her healing  journey,  which  included a  lot  of                                                               
"heart  work," counseling,  and  prayer.   She  talked about  the                                                               
disassociation  and   physical  trauma  she  experienced.     She                                                               
concluded  by informing  the committee  that she  is now  married                                                               
with two children.  She expressed  the opinion that the laws need                                                               
to be changed.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:34:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE pointed  out that this happened a short  time ago and                                                               
thanked Courtney for her courage.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:34:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN thanked  Courtney for  the testimony  and                                                               
her bravery.   He acknowledged  that the  system failed her.   He                                                               
asked whether any  individuals she had been forced  to spend time                                                               
with were convicted of any crimes.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COURTNEY responded in the negative.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:35:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GROH  thanked Courtney  and asked whether  the man                                                               
was ever prosecuted.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COURTNEY  stated that  from  her understanding  he  has not  been                                                               
prosecuted.   In  response to  a follow-up  question, she  stated                                                               
that she  has never  been interviewed by  the authorities  or had                                                               
any type of follow up.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GROH commented  that  this is  very  sad, as  the                                                               
statute of limitations have now expired.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:37:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER  acknowledged that there was  no "fixing                                                               
this" for  the victim(s).  Further,  he opined that there  was no                                                               
law strong enough to impose on the perpetrators of these crimes.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  VANCE  discussed her  desire  to  expunge these  types  of                                                               
records.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:39:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   EASTMAN  requested   any   takeaways  that   the                                                               
committee should have.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COURTNEY stated  that telling her  story may give  others bravery                                                               
to step  forward and encourage  them to overcome the  feelings of                                                               
impending doom.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:41:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD  thanked  the presenter  and  agreed  with                                                               
Representative Carpenter.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE asked what Courtney  would say to other victims right                                                               
now.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COURTNEY emphasized what worked for her, which was prayer.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:43:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 1:43 p.m. to 1:44 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:44:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE introduced the next testifier.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:44:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HANNAH, representing self, provided  invited testimony during the                                                               
Alaska  Survivors of  Human  and  Sex Trafficking  presentation..                                                               
She discussed  her childhood, stating  that her  mother abandoned                                                               
her, and her  father left her with her  grandfather, who molested                                                               
her.  She stated  that she had not been educated  on how this was                                                               
wrong,  and her  grandfather always  bought her  a gift  after it                                                               
happened, so she learned  at a very young age to  trade a part of                                                               
herself.   She  said  that  she was  promiscuous  as a  teenager,                                                               
smoking  marijuana and  drinking, and  at  16 years  old she  was                                                               
addicted to  pills.   At 18  years old she  started dancing  at a                                                               
strip club  in Anchorage, living in  the basement.  It  was there                                                               
she was visited by a man who  would come in every weekend for two                                                               
months  with different  women.   She stated  that the  women were                                                               
dressed in  nice clothes and  would give  her money.   She stated                                                               
that  others at  the  strip club  told  her that  the  man was  a                                                               
"Gorilla  Pimp,"   which  she  described   as  a   violent  pimp.                                                               
Eventually he  took her  to a  nice house  with other  women, who                                                               
gave her  drugs.  She  stated that in  the house there  were many                                                               
phonelines ringing, as  this man owned six escort  services.  One                                                               
woman  specifically groomed  her with  the promise  of drugs  and                                                               
took her on  a call with a  client, where they both  had sex with                                                               
him.   During  the following  days, she  said that  she was  in a                                                               
"drug  coma," and  this  was all  she was  thinking  about.   She                                                               
stated that  the other  women were  giving her  beautiful clothes                                                               
and more.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:54:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HANNAH  talked about  the first  time her  perpetrator beat  her,                                                               
stating that he took her  identification card.  She expressed the                                                               
understanding  that  he owned  five  houses  and favored  certain                                                               
women.   She commented about the  lack of food available  for her                                                               
to eat.   Her life  consisted of seeing 10  to 12 dates  per day,                                                               
she said, all to  get high.  She said all the  money she made had                                                               
to be  handed to her perpetrator.   She described not  wanting to                                                               
leave because she felt like she  was "part of something."  At one                                                               
point,  he cut  off  all her  hair for  buying  drugs with  "his"                                                               
money.  She also got in  trouble for buying herself feminine care                                                               
products.  She expressed the  impression that her perpetrator was                                                               
well connected in  the community.  She discussed how  some of the                                                               
clients  were  wealthy and  important  people  in the  community,                                                               
including a judge and a teacher.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HANNAH  talked about  "the box,"  which  was a  small space  that                                                               
girls were  put into  for days for  punishment.   Eventually, two                                                               
girls had  disappeared, and she expressed  the understanding that                                                               
they had been  killed because they tried to leave.   She recalled                                                               
a story  of how  she and  another girl  were pitted  against each                                                               
other and beaten.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:06:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HANNAH discussed  her addiction  and how it  was out  of control,                                                               
suggesting that  this kept her  in captivity.  She  described how                                                               
the perpetrator and  all the girls went to the  Alaska State Fair                                                               
"as a family,"  and she indicated that the girls  would fight for                                                               
his attention.   She recounted various stories  she had witnessed                                                               
that involved the other girls.   She described one client who had                                                               
been interested in  her life and her perpetrator's  life, and she                                                               
eventually left the perpetrator and  went to this client's house,                                                               
who also  sold drugs.  She  stated that she thought  he was nice;                                                               
however,  this  man  ended  up  being  more  violent.    After  a                                                               
particularly bad  beating, she  stated that  she returned  to her                                                               
first perpetrator,  who told her  she was worthless  without him.                                                               
She stated  that he  sent her  to work that  night with  a bloody                                                               
face.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:19:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HANNAH discussed  how she  could not call  her father  because of                                                               
shame.   Because of  a conflict  with the  other girls,  she said                                                               
that she  returned to the  second perpetrator, who had  picked up                                                               
some other  girls, but  these girls were  also jealous,  and this                                                               
caused the  second perpetrator to beat  her with a belt  all over                                                               
her body and lock her in a closet.   She stated that this was the                                                               
worse beating she  ever received.  She was able  to run from this                                                               
situation, and she  went to a client's house, who  made her leave                                                               
because she  was too  beaten to  have sex.   She returned  to the                                                               
second perpetrator, where she went back  to work.  He accused her                                                               
again of stealing his money, beat  her, and then shaved her head.                                                               
She explained how this took away any confidence she had left.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:28:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 2:28 p.m. to 2:30 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:30:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HANNAH resumed  her story, explaining how  the second perpetrator                                                               
tried to  be like  her first  perpetrator.   She stated  that she                                                               
resumed going on dates while wearing  a wig, but she feared doing                                                               
any  activities, where  he might  think  she was  stealing.   She                                                               
remembered always saying  that she was sorry.   She recounted how                                                               
she ran from him again, but the  only places she knew where to go                                                               
were drug houses.  The second  perpetrator came and picked her up                                                               
from one of the drug houses, but  she ran again.  She stated that                                                               
she had the  realization she was going to die,  so she called her                                                               
mother, who  she had not  seen since she was  13 years old.   She                                                               
stated that  she stayed for a  week with her mother,  but because                                                               
of the  drugs, she  went back  to the  second perpetrator.   They                                                               
traveled to Washinton State where  they both became clean and got                                                               
jobs; however,  because of the  "monotony of the  lifestyle" they                                                               
returned to their  previous life.  She stated that  at this point                                                               
she knew there  was a better life  and she wanted out.   While in                                                               
Washington,  she stated  that she  went  to the  hospital from  a                                                               
severe beating, and the second  perpetrator was convicted for the                                                               
beating.  At this point she began prostituting herself.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:41:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HANNAH  stated that  in  Seattle she  was  approached by  federal                                                               
agents who  told her that  the first perpetrator was  caught, and                                                               
they wanted her to testify.   There was a warrant for her arrest,                                                               
and the  agents told her she  would be subpoenaed if  she did not                                                               
go.   She  stated  that she  was  picked up  on  the warrant  and                                                               
carried  back to  Alaska.   In  the courtroom  her testimony  was                                                               
thrown out  because she  had been under  the influence  of drugs,                                                               
and her past was  used against her.  She was  returned to jail in                                                               
Washington.    Once  out,  she  stated  that  she  went  back  to                                                               
prostitution because of her addiction and shame.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HANNAH  stated  that  in  Washington  she  had  a  boyfriend  who                                                               
supplied her with  drugs while she prostituted.   She stated that                                                               
her  boyfriend's  brother  had   her  put  an  advertisement  for                                                               
prostitution  for  his girlfriend.    She  had not  realized  the                                                               
girlfriend was  only 17 years old,  and while driving her  to the                                                               
date  she was  picked up  by the  police.   She was  charged with                                                               
commercial sex  abuse of a minor,  but she was only  convicted of                                                               
promoting  prostitution.     She   stated  that  after   jail  in                                                               
Washington,  she was  clean from  drugs and  returned to  Alaska.                                                               
She  stated that  from  here she  cycled back  into  the life  of                                                               
drugs, stripping,  and prostitution.   She expressed  the opinion                                                               
that she  returned to  this life  because it  was where  she felt                                                               
needed and  wanted.  She  stated that  she and her  new boyfriend                                                               
ended up  in prison because of  drugs and violence.   In jail she                                                               
underwent  treatment  in  the Transformational  Living  Community                                                               
program.  She stated that this  treatment is faith based, and she                                                               
discussed  the healing  she did  there, connecting  to God.   She                                                               
explained how it took her  time before she actually realized that                                                               
she was  a victim, and  she expressed  the opinion that  the drug                                                               
component played a big part in this.   She stated that now she is                                                               
five  years  clean and  a  mother,  but  she has  not  completely                                                               
healed.    She explained  that  she  has  learned that  her  past                                                               
experiences do not define her as a person.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:57:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE thanked Hannah for  telling her story and she praised                                                               
her strength.   She reminded  the committee that the  topic feels                                                               
overwhelming, but it  is important.  She expressed  her desire to                                                               
prevent future  crimes like this  from happening.   She expressed                                                               
hope and thanked the presenters.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:59:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Judiciary Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 2:59 p.m.                                                                 

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