Legislature(1999 - 2000)
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HOUSE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE January 19, 2000 1:16 p.m. MEMBERS PRESENT Representative Pete Kott, Chairman Representative Norman Rokeberg Representative Lisa Murkowski Representative Eric Croft MEMBERS ABSENT Representative Joe Green Representative Jeannette James Representative Beth Kerttula COMMITTEE CALENDAR OVERVIEW OF ALASKA COURT SYSTEM BY CHRIS CHRISTENSEN HOUSE BILL NO. 220 "An Act relating to the amendment and revocation of spouses' community property agreements and community property trusts; and providing for an effective date." - MOVED HB 220 OUT OF COMMITTEE HOUSE BILL NO. 222 "An Act relating to the remedies available to judgment creditors against limited liability company members and their assignees and against limited partnership general and limited partners and their assignees; and providing for an effective date." - MOVED HB 222 OUT OF COMMITTEE HOUSE BILL NO. 221 "An Act relating to a trustee's duties to inform and account to beneficiaries; relating to the revocation, modification, termination, reformation, construction, and trustees of trusts; and relating to transfer restrictions in trusts." - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD PREVIOUS ACTION BILL: HB 220 SHORT TITLE: COMMUNITY PROPERTY AGREEMENT/TRUSTS Jrn-Date Jrn-Page Action 5/04/99 1158 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S) 5/04/99 1158 (H) JUD 5/07/99 (H) JUD AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 120 5/07/99 (H) SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD 1/19/00 (H) JUD AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 120 BILL: HB 222 SHORT TITLE: LTD PARTNERSHIPS AND LTD. LIAB. COMPANIES Jrn-Date Jrn-Page Action 5/05/99 1179 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S) 5/05/99 1179 (H) JUD 1/19/00 (H) JUD AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 120 WITNESS REGISTER CHRIS CHRISTENSEN, Staff Counsel Office of the Administrative Director Alaska Court System 820 West 4th Avenue Anchorage, Alaska 99501-2005 POSITION STATEMENT: Presented overview of Alaska Court System and answered questions. LESIL McGUIRE, Legislative Assistant to Representative Pete Kott Alaska State Legislature Capitol Building, Room 118 Juneau, Alaska 99801 POSITION STATEMENT: As Committee Aide for House Judiciary Standing Committee, presented overviews based on sponsor statements for HB 220 and HB 222; answered questions. ERIC KUEFFNER, Attorney at Law Faulkner Banfield, PC 302 Gold Street Juneau, Alaska 99801 POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on HB 220 on own behalf and answered questions; testified briefly in support of HB 222. STEPHEN GREER, Attorney at Law 4041 B Street, Suite 205 Anchorage, Alaska 99503 POSITION STATEMENT: Testified briefly in support of HB 220 and HB 222. DAVID SHAFTEL, Attorney at Law 550 West 7th Avenue Anchorage, Alaska 99501 POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 220 and explained provisions at length; testified that HB 222 is an excellent amendment that will strengthen Alaska's law and is important from a business standpoint. DOUGLAS BLATTMACHR, President and Chief Executive Officer Alaska Trust Company 1029 West 3rd Avenue Anchorage, Alaska 99501 POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 220 and answered questions about the positive effects of community property legislation on Alaska's business community; testified that HB 222 is an excellent amendment that will strengthen Alaska's law and will encourage people to use Alaska's trust jurisdiction. ACTION NARRATIVE TAPE 00-1, SIDE A Number 0001 CHAIRMAN PETE KOTT called the House Judiciary Standing Committee meeting to order at 1:16 p.m. Members present at the call to order were Representatives Kott, Rokeberg and Murkowski. Representative Croft arrived as the meeting was in progress. Chairman Kott noted that Representatives Green, Croft and Kerttula were attending another hearing and Representative James was out of town. OVERVIEW OF ALASKA COURT SYSTEM BY CHRIS CHRISTENSEN CHAIRMAN KOTT invited Chris Christensen to present an overview of the Alaska Court System. Number 0119 CHRIS CHRISTENSEN, Staff Counsel, Office of the Administrative Director, Alaska Court System, first discussed historical concepts relating to the courts. The framers of the Constitution of the United States had wanted to put together a system of government that protected individual liberty by preventing the government from becoming too powerful, he explained. They looked to the writings of an eighteenth century French political philosopher, Montesquieu, who had come up with the concept of separation of powers. Montesquieu believed the best way to protect individual citizens' liberty is to split government into three separate entities - legislative, judicial and executive - and to give each a piece of the government's power, thereby preventing the government itself from becoming too powerful. MR. CHRISTENSEN pointed out that all 50 states follow this model. According to a number of constitutional scholars, however, Alaska's constitution has the purest form of separation of powers of any of the 50 states. The people who put Alaska's constitution together in the 1950s were libertarians by nature, he noted, being protective of individuals' rights and wanting to break the shackles of the federal government. MR. CHRISTENSEN explained that Alaska has three branches of government plus the university; it isn't clear whether the university is part of the executive branch or is an independent entity. Together, the legislature and the courts make up about 2 percent of Alaska's state government; the executive branch makes up 87 percent; and the university makes up 11 percent. The executive branch is headed by one person, from whom all the power flows down. In contrast, the legislature has 60 individuals, each with his or her own base of constitutionally mandated power. Similarly, the courts have 57 individual officers, each with individual power. MR. CHRISTENSEN noted that perhaps more important is how - and why - the judiciary is different from the legislature. The judiciary is generally considered by political scientists the least powerful of the three branches. The federal constitution was drafted so that Congress was the most powerful, followed by the executive branch and then the judiciary; since the Civil War, that has changed a bit, and people now generally accept that the executive branch is more powerful than Congress. Alaska's constitutional framers had a little different perspective, wanting the executive branch to be more powerful than the legislature, with the courts in third place. In the last 40 years, the power has shifted a little, and Alaska's executive branch has become even more powerful relative to the legislature. The primary reason that the judiciary has less power than other branches is because the courts are purely reactive and cannot initiate actions. Number 0401 MR. CHRISTENSEN explained that the other major difference between the legislature and the judiciary goes to the heart of the system which the framers were trying to set up to ensure that liberty was protected. The legislature essentially is the majoritarian institution in Alaska's government. Its members are elected, and thus its focus is on implementing the will of the majority of the people. In contrast, the courts are not a majoritarian institution. Judges aren't elected, which was intentional. MR. CHRISTENSEN noted that James Madison - who is called the father of the constitution, and who wrote most of the Federalist papers - said a majority in a democracy is capable of behaving just as tyrannically as the worst despot. To protect the rights of the minority, Madison believed that needed were a bill of rights and an independent judiciary not controlled by the majority. Mr. Christensen pointed out that "minority" refers not only to groups but also to the ultimate minority - the individual. An independent judiciary ultimately protects individuals from the arbitrary exercise of government power and assures the rule of law. MR. CHRISTENSEN noted in the Alaska Court System's dealings with the legislature two major differences between the judiciary and executive branches. First, the judiciary is affected by more pieces of legislation than any other state government entity. Therefore, its representatives attend hearings to inform the legislature what something will cost or how it will affect the courts, or to offer suggestions on making it better. However, in 99.9 percent of legislation, the court system takes no position. It is their firm belief that it is the legislature's prerogative to craft and draft legislation, and that it is inappropriate for the courts to take a position in this forum. Mr. Christensen also pointed out that unlike the executive branch, the courts have no veto power over the legislature. MR. CHRISTENSEN turned attention to structure. First, Alaska has a unified judiciary: there are no courts other than state courts. Only about eight states have a fully unified judiciary, which gives some tremendous economic efficiencies and makes laws more uniform; Mr. Christensen said he believes it is a good system. Second, Alaska is one of only five states in which all funding for the courts comes from the legislature; Mr. Christensen believes this also is good because people know who is responsible. In other states, funding comes from the counties, the state and other entities, which point the finger at each other when people argue that the courts are inadequately funded. And third, the Alaska Court System has a professional administrative director who is a constitutional officer. Alaska has a "strong city manager system of administering the courts"; that is in contrast to having the courts run by judges, who are appointed not because they are great managers but because they are smart lawyers. Taking into consideration the foregoing three things, Alaska is unique among the 50 states in terms of structure. Number 0624 MR. CHRISTENSEN discussed the Alaska Supreme Court, the state's highest level of court. Its five members are headquartered in Anchorage. At statehood, it was assumed the headquarters would be in Juneau at the state capitol, but the supreme court surprised everyone by moving, an extremely controversial decision at the time; they believed the headquarters should be where the bulk of the people would be - the Railbelt - as the state expanded. The court meets monthly in Fairbanks and twice a year in Juneau to hear cases as well. Unlike the U.S. Supreme Court or the supreme courts of most states, Alaska's is not a "cert. court." Therefore, whereas the U.S. Supreme Court may hear only one of every hundred cases appealed to it, the Alaska Supreme Court must hear every civil case appealed to it. The inability to manage the caseload by just saying "no" is one reason for extensive delays from the time a case is filed until an opinion is issued. MR. CHRISTENSEN next discussed the court of criminal appeals, which hears most criminal appeals that come up from the superior court. Composed of three members stationed in Anchorage, it was created by the legislature in the early 1980s, when the Alaska Supreme Court's increasingly heavy caseload was causing tremendous delay. Although there had been talk about expanding the supreme court to seven or nine members, the legislature - working with the court system - determined that would be inefficient. If someone writes an opinion, all members get to debate it, and all review it, Mr. Christensen pointed out, and the more members there are on a committee, the more inefficient the committee becomes. Since the legislature created the court of appeals almost 20 years ago, several other states have looked at the Alaskan model and actually reduced the size of their own supreme court and created an intermediate court of criminal appeals. Number 0768 MR. CHRISTENSEN directed attention to the superior court, Alaska's court of general jurisdiction. Its 32 members are stationed in 13 cities; judges fly in to three additional cities, for a total of 16 superior court sites. They have exclusive jurisdiction over cases involving felonies, juvenile delinquency, child protection and domestic relations. Because of child custody and divorce issues, those are the judges about whom legislators' constituents will complain the most, Mr. Christensen noted. In looking at statistics of violence in the courtroom, he has found the worst thing that can happen to somebody is to have his or her kids taken away. Nationally there are far more shootings, stabbings and beatings in courtrooms during child custody cases than there are during felony cases, he added. MR. CHRISTENSEN next addressed the district court, Alaska's court of limited jurisdiction, which has two types of judges. First, there are 17 district judges in seven locations around the state; their jurisdiction is civil cases under $50,000 in value - including small claims cases - and misdemeanor criminal cases. Second, there are 39 magistrates, who aren't officers of the state but employees of the court system, hired at the pleasure of the presiding judge; they can hear small claims cases and infractions, and they can hear misdemeanor cases with the consent of the defendant. In many parts of Alaska, Mr. Christiansen noted, the local magistrate is the only representative of state government other than the employee of the Department of Transportation and Public Facilities who plows the runway. Furthermore, there are a number of part-time magistrates who might work upstairs over the general store, for example, 15 hours a week. MR. CHRISTENSEN reported that last year these judges heard about 156,000 different cases, an increase of 5.5 percent over the year before. The trend for the court system's caseload has been a steady rise over the last decade. Number 0914 MR. CHRISTENSEN noted that the Alaska Court System also includes the administration under which he himself works. He commented that separation of powers is not particularly efficient. For example, the court system has to have its own personnel office, facilities office, computer shop and so forth, as does the legislature. MR. CHRISTENSEN pointed out two other small entities within the judicial system. First, the Alaska Commission on Judicial Conduct has an executive director and nine members: three judges, three members of the general public, and three lawyers who have at least ten years' experience practicing in Alaska. Second, the Alaska Judicial Council is composed of three public members, three attorneys and the chief justice; however, the chief justice only votes in case of a tie. When there is a judicial vacancy, the Alaska Judicial Council takes applications from lawyers, evaluates their professional qualities, then sends a list of nominees to the governor for selection. The council also collects information from lawyers, police officers and jurors about the qualifications of a judge who is standing for retention. Number 1011 CHAIRMAN KOTT noted that the committee has several matters before it dealing with selection, election or appointment of judges. He requested confirmation that the court system wouldn't be supportive of electing judges or other members of the judiciary. MR. CHRISTENSEN agreed that several proposed constitutional amendments would affect the manner in which judges are selected. He then explained that looking at the trend over the last 200 years, the method of selection of federal judges has always been the same: they are appointed by the President, without regard to qualifications beyond their being an attorney, and then it goes to the U.S. Senate for confirmation. This is the pure form that the framers of the federal constitution set up. MR. CHRISTENSEN continued. As states began adopting their own constitutions, most adopted this federal method. As time went on, however, people in control - those making up the majority of a state - frequently resented that an institution was charged with protecting the rights of the minority and individuals. Therefore, most states changed over to an electoral system. Judges became elected officers, just like legislators. They ran in contested elections and became yet another majoritarian body. MR. CHRISTENSEN noted that around the 1940s, things started swinging back, settling not on the federal model but on the so- called Missouri Plan, which was a happy medium. Under this system, a list of nominees goes to a governor, based on merit. From that list, the governor has to pick one person, who is appointed to the bench. Then, every so many years, the voters have a chance to vote "yes" or "no" as to whether they are comfortable with that judge. Missouri was the first state to adopt the plan, and Alaska was the second. Now about a third of the states use it, and Alaska is actually looked to as a model by these other states. Alaska has the most comprehensive retention elections anywhere, Mr. Christensen noted, and more information is provided to the voters than in any other state. MR. CHRISTENSEN expressed confidence that Alaska's current system of selection is working quite well. He suggested that attorneys practicing in Alaska over the last 30 years would almost uniformly say the quality of judges on the bench today is head and shoulders above what it was 20 or 30 years ago. Number 1177 CHAIRMAN KOTT referred to a conference in Washington to be held March 2 - 3 regarding judicial selection. He asked whether anyone from the Alaska Court System would be attending that. MR. CHRISTENSEN offered to find that out. In response to another question, he said the Alaska Supreme Court's twice-yearly visits to Juneau used to be more frequent, but the caseload in Juneau has been decreasing. The court also has been attempting to use some video networking to try to hear cases in various places, simply to make it more convenient for litigants and attorneys around the state, so they don't have to fly to one of the three major cities. CHAIRMAN KOTT mentioned a meeting in Anchorage a couple of months ago regarding electronic filings. He asked Mr. Christensen to briefly summarize that discussion and the direction that the Alaska Court System is going. Number 1251 MR. CHRISTENSEN answered that electronic filing of court documents is the future. Unfortunately, for the Alaska Court System it is still a good ways away. Right now all court documents are filed in paper form: a person brings them to the courthouse, and if the document requires a filing fee, the person also brings a check. Outside Alaska, several court systems - mostly very small county courts or some low-volume federal courts - allow both filing documents and paying filing fees electronically over the Internet. Obviously, this is a tremendous convenience to lawyers and litigants. If it works properly, it can also help the state because it might reduce staffing requirements. In Alaska, however, it will be a number of years before that can be done. MR. CHRISTENSEN reminded members that the Alaska Court System has been the last of the three branches to be computerized; in fact, they are still attempting to do so, and they are seriously behind the curve in many areas. This year, for the first time, they have a capital budget request for a comprehensive case management system, which will be the first piece needed to make electronic filing a reality a few years in the future. Number 1375 REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG expressed distress at hearing about the lack of a management information system (MIS). He suggested it might have been a blessing to have the system computerized late, however, as perhaps they would get better equipment or systems. He asked what type of system the court has now. MR. CHRISTENSEN agreed it was certainly a blessing in terms of so- called Y2K, because the court system had bought most of their equipment in the last four years, making sure as they did so that it was Y2K-compliant. Therefore, they spent $107,000 making the court system completely Y2K-compliant, only a tiny fraction of what other branches of government were forced to spend. He noted that equipment purchased in the last few years includes networking personal computers (PCs) and servers that allow hooking into the state's system; it is not yet a complete system. The main problem is lack of software to do a comprehensive case management system. They have a 20-year-old statistics accounting program, modified over the years to do some very limited case tracking. Mr. Christensen clarified that when he says "comprehensive case management system," he means taking most of the information in a case - who filed it, what it is about, what the judgment was, whether or not a fine has been paid, and so forth - and entering it into a computer. MR. CHRISTENSEN pointed out that now that information is only on paper, causing the court system problems but also causing data entry problems in other state entities such as the Child Support Enforcement Division (CSED) or the Alaska State Troopers. The courts provide paper judgments, then the other agencies enter the information into their own computers. Instead, the courts need a system whereby they can enter information into their own computers and have it automatically transmitted. They have been working on this for several years, and the hardware purchased over the last few years will make this work. This year, as the court system's capital request, they are asking for money to actually purchase the software that will make all of this come together. Number 1487 REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG asked whether that software can be an off- the-shelf purchase or must be written for the court system. MR. CHRISTENSEN said that is an excellent question. The court system started this about five years ago, when no off-the-shelf software was available. He pointed out that every court system is different, including the way cases are counted, the statutes, and so forth; no one system will work exactly for every court system without modification. The Alaska Court System had attempted to work with a contractor to take something that existed commercially but was designed for a county court system; however, that didn't come to fruition, as the contractor "spent millions of dollars of their own money and then threw up their hands in disgust." MR. CHRISTENSEN pointed out that in the last two years, however, several large comprehensive software packages have become available that the court system believes would require very little modification. They have already done all the groundwork to know exactly what modifications they need. The court system believes that over a two-year period it would require about $2.75 million to design the software and then have it up and running in 50 different courts; they will talk about that with the finance committees this year. MR. CHRISTENSEN noted that this would benefit more than the court system. It would also provide the legislature the kinds of crime statistics and tort reform statistics that they request, for example, which cannot be provided now. Furthermore, it would enable other agencies to do away with many data entry people. It would be a positive solution for the state. Mr. Christensen believes the whole system could be up and running in about two years if the funding were received. Number 1578 REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI asked whether the rise in caseload applies only to the district court. She requested a breakdown. MR. CHRISTENSEN specified that the overall caseload for all courts was up 5.4 percent. He indicated there was no rise in the superior court caseload this year, for the first time in about five years, whereas the district court caseload was up substantially. REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI noted that the jurisdictional limit for small claims court had been raised, then suggested that wouldn't have much impact, as it is lumped under district court anyway. She said she was looking to see where the movement or activity is. MR. CHRISTENSEN responded that the small claims caseload hasn't increased tremendously since that time, although perhaps there has been a shift from district court to small claims court. When the small claims jurisdiction was raised several years ago, the courts went back through their records; although numbers of small claims cases had repeatedly gone up and down, they couldn't pin it on anything specific. Many things seem to affect small claims court, and the court system isn't even sure what they all are. However, they see a definite slow upward trend in everything over the last decade, while budgets are going down. "We've made a number of changes in the last two years to do things more efficiently, but we're still treading water," he concluded. CHAIRMAN KOTT asked if there were further questions, then thanked Mr. Christensen. He called a brief at-ease at 1:45 p.m. [End of Tape 00-1.] HB 220 - COMMUNITY PROPERTY AGREEMENT/TRUSTS TAPE 00-2, SIDE A Number 0001 CHAIRMAN KOTT called the meeting back to order at 1:46 p.m., announcing that the next item of business would be HOUSE BILL NO. 220, "An Act relating to the amendment and revocation of spouses' community property agreements and community property trusts; and providing for an effective date." He noted that Representative Croft had joined the meeting some time ago. He then called upon Lesil McGuire to explain the bill. Number 0078 LESIL McGUIRE, Legislative Assistant to Representative Pete Kott, Alaska State Legislature, serving as Committee Aide to the House Judiciary Standing Committee, elaborated on the written sponsor statement for HB 220. She explained that the Alaska Community Property Act (ACPA) is based on the Uniform Marital Property Act (UMPA). Among many features shared by the two is a provision enabling a married couple to make a non-testamentary disposition under the community property agreement or trust. In addition, the ACPA provides that such instruments may not be amended or revoked unless the agreement or trust itself provides for revocation on a particular date or upon the occurrence of a particular event, or unless the agreement is amended or revoked by a later community property agreement or trust. That is the language now. MS. McGUIRE explained the problem: the provision may lead to an argument that the spouses made a completed taxable gift to the residual beneficiaries of the trust or agreement. This exact scenario occurred in Pyle v. United States, a 7th Circuit case; although Pyle isn't binding on Alaska, the concern is that it may lead to a similar result in the 9th Circuit because Alaska's language is based upon the UMPA as well. In Pyle, the court ruled that because the surviving spouse could not change the will after the death of her husband, she in effect made a taxable gift to the residuary beneficiaries who would inherit after the surviving spouse's death. As a result, federal [gift] tax was payable at the death of the first spouse, which otherwise would have been deferred to the time of the second spouse's death. MS. McGUIRE advised members that because Pyle - an Illinois case - was controlling in Wisconsin's 7th Circuit, the Wisconsin legislature became concerned and amended its own community property statute, which was almost identical to Alaska's. The amended language created a default rule that enables a spouse to unilaterally amend a community property agreement with respect to property to be disposed of at the death of the surviving spouse. MS. McGUIRE noted that the language in HB [220] is similar to that enacted by Wisconsin. Together, the amendments ensure that if a community property agreement or trust provides for the non- testamentary disposition of property, without probate, at the death of the second spouse, the surviving spouse may amend the community property agreement or trust with respect to the property to be disposed of at his or her death, unless the agreement or trust specifically provides otherwise. Rather than being a bill of policy, HB 220 is a bill of technicality, addressing possible problems. Some legislatures are responding to cases that tend to have a result in opposition to the policy of the UMPA. This language just clarifies the intent that the property should not be a taxable gift. Number 0430 REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI asked whether this has been brought before the Alaska courts for interpretation. MS. McGUIRE said no. Number 0451 REPRESENTATIVE CROFT expressed his understanding that the ACPA was a tax-avoidance or tax-planning scheme whereby one could designate a piece of property as community property; therefore, when one spouse died, there was a step up in basis without its being a taxable event. He suggested its main advantage is there. He asked what the catch of Pyle is. MS. McGUIRE agreed with Representative Croft, saying that is the goal. There wasn't meant to be any taxable consequence to this language. In fact, it doesn't appear Pyle has been a major controversy out there. The language in the UMPA remains the same, identical to Alaska's language and to the language that was in Wisconsin's statute. The question is: Does it leave the door open? MS. McGUIRE explained that as Pyle is interpreted, when one spouse dies and there is an automatic transfer to the surviving spouse, if the language is not open to his or her amending it in any way, it is making a concrete gift to those residual beneficiaries; that is because there is nothing meaningful the spouse can do within his or her lifetime to alter that. In effect, it vests, and there is a gift taxation associated with that. Really all this does is add language saying the surviving spouse can amend that community trust or agreement if he or she so chooses. Consequently, a court doesn't have room to say the gift has vested, because there is always the chance that the surviving spouse might change that language. Number 0607 REPRESENTATIVE CROFT asked whether the surviving spouse could amend it in any way - including beneficiaries, for example - if that isn't prohibited in the trust agreement, and if it fits this category. MS. McGUIRE affirmed that as the language reads, there is room for that; it doesn't put any categorical restrictions on it. However, it does say "unless the community property agreement expressly provides otherwise," a limiting device. REPRESENTATIVE CROFT suggested that is within Pyle. [Comment indiscernible because of overlapping speech.] MS. McGUIRE replied, "To a degree." She noted that in Pyle, the will itself was narrow, providing only for her [Pyle's] comfort, enjoyment and health, a kind of provision where she really had no room to invest or dispose of the property unless she went to the court. REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG suggested it was like a life estate. MS. McGUIRE agreed, adding that even though it didn't start out that way, the court said it was, in effect, a life estate. This language just adds protection so a person won't be in a judicial trap of having it interpreted as a life estate. REPRESENTATIVE CROFT suggested the goal is to provide authority for not just any amendments, but rather those that could fix the problem. Here, however, the spouse could make any type of amendment at all. MS. McGUIRE pointed out that there are some qualifiers: it is a community property agreement, it is a non-testamentary disposition of property, probate is not provided, and it is at the death of the first spouse. It is up to the committee if they want to narrow that language further. Number 0838 ERIC KUEFFNER, Attorney at Law, Faulkner Banfield, PC, came forward on his own behalf. He agreed with Representative Croft that the purpose of the ACPA was to give people certain options. This amendment maintains those options against the possibility that they might be foreclosed in a way that wasn't anticipated when the statute was first passed. Number 0866 REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG asked whether one of the concepts of community property isn't to pass on property, with an accelerated basis, to the spouse without restriction. He asked how it can be community property if there are restrictions. He further asked whether it is correct that people wanting restrictions would use another type of trust agreement. MR. KUEFFNER replied, "Yes and no." Although he hadn't actually done one of these agreements yet, he added, he would advise a client that if the client wants the advantages that other states have of community property here, the client could declare certain property as community property to get those advantages. Yes, there are other methods to achieve some of these same ends, but it the basis change that is really the best thing about the ACPA. REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG suggested that notwithstanding the federal spousal exemption, there would be a basis adjustment upon the death of one's spouse but for a community property scenario. MR. KUEFFNER concurred. REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG referred to Ms. McGuire's testimony. He asked whether, with a spousal exemption, there is a gift tax. MR. KUEFFNER responded that at the risk of misinterpreting what Ms. McGuire was suggesting, the gift tax in Pyle was imposed because the gift was deemed to be made to the residual beneficiaries, not to the spouse. The "middle man" - a woman in the case of Pyle - has no say over that. Mr. Kueffner agreed there is a marital exemption. He said he believed he had looked at Pyle, but not recently. Number 1052 REPRESENTATIVE CROFT suggested in Pyle it was so restricted to the wife that it was, in effect, nothing but place holding - a life estate. It was a completed gift to the ultimate beneficiaries. MR. KUEFFNER specified that that is what the court said. To his knowledge, no court in Alaska has interpreted it that way. However, there is the risk that some might. REPRESENTATIVE CROFT suggested it is created by people who try to tie the hands of the spouse. If the agreement is a simple community property designation, then the surviving spouse has what was community property, a stepped-up basis, now as his or her sole property. He said it is only this "string-tying thing" that causes a problem. MR. KUEFFNER agreed that is what got them in trouble in Pyle. REPRESENTATIVE CROFT suggested what is needed, then, as far as the ability to go back and amend, is to fix that. He proposed that Mr. Kueffner could suggest language there that talked about what could be amended. MR. KUEFFNER said he isn't a bill drafter, then agreed this could be made much more narrow, restricted to precisely what they are talking about here. However, he would recommend against that, because who knows what a court might think later on about something done in the effort to avoid a completed tax upon creating this? REPRESENTATIVE CROFT said that is a good point. He clarified that he wasn't implying that Ms. McGuire or the drafter had done anything wrong, but rather that there are other options to explore. He asked why this includes the language "unless the community property agreement expressly provides otherwise." He also asked whether they shouldn't say instead, in essence, "notwithstanding the community property agreement, you can." MR. KUEFFNER returned to his basic point: The idea of the uniform community property Act is to give people options, including the opportunity to do an agreement that isn't going to be altered by the surviving spouse. Number 1196 REPRESENTATIVE CROFT asked whether the agreement in Pyle, in addition to listing restrictions, said it couldn't be amended. He further asked, "If it did, we wouldn't be solving the Pyle problem, right?" MR. KUEFFNER replied that he doesn't know whether Pyle had a restrictive clause. It could well be that this wouldn't fix that problem, he added. REPRESENTATIVE CROFT suggested in that case it would seem better to have it broader in the first part and more narrow in the second. In other words, they would allow somebody the ability only in this specific situation, regardless of what it said. He mentioned removing the language "unless the community property agreement expressly provides," but having the only cure be in this one narrow area. Number 1322 REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI pointed out that Pyle was a 1985 case, and that the Wisconsin legislature has subsequently enacted legislation to deal with it. She asked if there have been further challenges or tests to this, so Alaska's legislators can know whether the proposed language is sufficient or needs to be narrowed further, as Representative Croft is suggesting. MR. KUEFFNER indicated he doesn't know but surmises there haven't been, because otherwise he would have heard of them. To his way of thinking, Pyle is somewhat of an aberration against which this legislation is guarding. In response to Representative Murkowski's suggestion that this is precautionary or prophylactic legislation, then, Mr. Kueffner agreed it is prophylactic. Number 1336 REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG suggested possibly nobody has died under a community property device in Alaska because of the newness of these agreements to the state. He expressed curiosity about the effect elsewhere. He then asked whether it is possible, under a normal community property situation, to will part of a title in a property or estate to a party other than the surviving spouse. MR. KUEFFNER said the simple answer is no. Community property is for spouses. A person wanting to do an arrangement with someone other than a spouse must use something else. However, there can be a residual beneficiary of the community property; for example, in Pyle, the wife was the primary beneficiary and the children were the residual beneficiaries. Number 1449 REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG posed a scenario in which someone comes to Mr. Kueffner's office requesting that he do this type of estate planning. He asked if the community property arrangement and agreement would be part of that person's will, or if the wills would be separate. MR. KUEFFNER said it could be done in a variety of ways. However, he himself would normally do the agreement and the will separately. He would specify the property to be designated as community property, then do an agreement regarding that, and so forth. Although it could be part of the will, he wouldn't recommend it because it could be confusing. REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG asked if most trust-type estate plans aren't within the will itself. MR. KUEFFNER said no, then explained: If I do a living trust, then the whole ball of wax is in the trust. And then we do what's called a pour-over will that says anything that I forgot goes into the trust. So, you're right that most of the details and the nuts and bolts will be in the trust, but it will not actually be the will itself. MR. KUEFFNER added that it is possible to put it all in one place. Restating that he hasn't done one yet, although he has talked to people about doing them, he said it is specialized, for someone with a certain kind of property for which there is a desire to get this basis straightened out. It is specific, not over-arching like a trust, which would apply to everything a person owns. Number 1607 STEPHEN GREER, Attorney at Law, testified via teleconference from Anchorage, noting that Dave Shaftel was responsible for drafting this. Approximately a year ago, he and Mr. Shaftel had spent months writing a definitive article on the Alaska Community Property Act, which was published in the most prominent estate planning journal nationwide; Mr. Greer suggested they could therefore answer members' questions and resolve some of the confusion. He emphasized that HB 220 is really just a technical amendment. The problem in Pyle won't occur in 99.9 percent of trusts drawn. However, Mr. Shaftel had anticipated a problem if, for some reason, a practitioner were to draft some strange sort of trust. Mr. Greer deferred to Mr. Shaftel for further discussion. Number 1691 DAVID SHAFTEL, Attorney at Law, testified via teleconference from Anchorage, noting that he practices estate planning in Anchorage, where a group of attorneys have been working on proposed legislation that they believe would help both Alaska residents and nonresidents who desire to use various types of Alaska trusts. He explained that the ACPA is implemented by either a community property agreement - which only can be entered into by Alaska residents - or by a community property trust, which can be entered into by Alaska residents or nonresidents. MR. SHAFTEL noted that community property is owned half-and-half, under a sharing system where each spouse has equal ownership and often equal rights. While both spouses live, if a community property trust is used, they can amend that trust at any time. "That's what you want to allow," he told members. Mr. Shaftel explained that the other nine states with community property systems use community property trusts, called joint revocable trusts. The two spouses, together, can amend those trusts anytime they want. If they are using wills, after one dies, the property of the first spouse to die is controlled by that spouse's will. If they are using a community property trust that is a joint revocable trust, there will be a dispositive plan for the one-half of the community property that belonged to the first spouse to die; often that goes into a bypass trust and a so-called Q-TIP trust [a trust to which qualified terminable interest property is transferred for purposes of taking a marital deduction]. MR. SHAFTEL explained that the surviving spouse's one-half of the property continues to be that spouse's property. That is where attorneys want the surviving spouse to have the ability to amend that trust, anytime he or she wants. That is allowed in every other community property state. The UMPA has only been enacted in one other state, he noted, which is Wisconsin. Unfortunately, it has a glitch, this language that says the agreement can only be amended on a particular date, or upon the occurrence of a particular event. MR. SHAFTEL reported that typically agreements drafted by most practitioners would include the following: "When both spouses are alive, they both can amend the agreement. When one spouse has died, ... the surviving spouse can amend it as to his or her one- half of the community property." That wouldn't apply to the decedent's one-half of the property, Mr. Shaftel pointed out. Unfortunately, with this awkward language about a particular date or on the occurrence of a particular event, an argument can be made that the surviving spouse could not amend the agreement, if the agreement provided power to amend but didn't key it to a particular date or the occurrence of a particular event. Similarly, when both spouses are alive, that same awkward, overly restrictive language should not be in there because an argument could be made that the spouses couldn't amend the agreement. Number 1865 MR. SHAFTEL advised members that this has broader implications beyond just the Pyle case. It reflects on whether there is community property in Alaska, because typically either spouse - when both are alive - can withdraw any or all property from a community property trust. Although it remains community property in that spouse's hands, either spouse can do that. That is one requirement for a valid community property trust under the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) procedures. REPRESENTATIVE CROFT told Mr. Shaftel, "Okay, Dave, I give up." MR. SHAFTEL continued, however. Similarly, he said, this overly restrictive language could create the argument that when the first spouse died, that surviving spouse could not change the disposition of his or her property. He stated: And if they're locked in, then what that means is they've made a completed gift at that time, which really the surviving spouse doesn't want to do. The surviving spouse wants to have the ability to change that dispositive plan for his or her property until he or she dies, because her children, her grandchildren, the whole situation - she may remarry and may well want to change the disposition, or the dispositive plans, for her half of that property. We are following here, exactly, the amendment that Wisconsin came in, in 1985, and enacted in their statute, which is our model. ... When we enacted this in 1997 - and the practitioners like myself have to take the blame for this - we did not catch this glitch. And since then, when Steve [Greer] mentioned, when we were researching for the article that we wrote, I researched the treatise put out by the State of Wisconsin, their continuing legal education program. And they describe, very specifically, how they had come across this glitch, how they had corrected it. ... And that's what we're doing here. So, it really is a technical amendment, ... but it's more than that, in that it has some broad ramifications that if we don't do it, we really are leaving a flaw in our community property statute that the nine other states do not have. REPRESENTATIVE CROFT restated that he was giving up. Number 1991 REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG asked Mr. Shaftel and Mr. Greer whether they had had an opportunity to utilize the recently passed law to enter into these types of community property agreements. MR. SHAFTEL answered that a majority of his clients, who are either reviewing their existing estate plans or creating new ones, are adopting community property for part of their property. He said they see the benefits, from not only the standpoint of income tax but also the aspects of sharing and equality. MR. GREER concurred, calling it a very important vehicle. He said the fear here is that other states will become envious and try to do the same thing. He concluded by saying it is a wonderful thing for married couples to do. REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG requested that Mr. Greer or Mr. Shaftel provide the committee with copies of their law review article. Number 2061 DOUGLAS BLATTMACHR, President and Chief Executive Officer, Alaska Trust Company, testified via teleconference from Anchorage in support of HB 220, calling it a technical amendment and indicating the desire to keep Alaska in the forefront for estate planning. He referred to the Phillip E. Heckerling Institute on Estate Planning, an annual conference held in Miami, Florida. Indicating that more than 2,700 participants had attended recently, and that a program there had drawn a lot of interest from nonresidents, he suggested it is important to clarify any possible ambiguities in order to receive substantial business. "We've received hundreds of Alaska trusts from outside of Alaska the last couple of years," Mr. Blattmachr stated, "and we think we'll receive as many community property trusts if the law is clarified and there isn't this concern." Number 2101 REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG asked Mr. Blattmachr how business activity in the legal community has been affected by the series of trust bills enacted by the legislature over the last few years. MR. BLATTMACHR indicated response has been positive from both the trust company community and the legal community. So far, about 300 trusts have been set up in the last two years, the bulk of which came from outside of Alaska. He told members: We've received substantial business, and a lot of attorneys have reviewed those trusts or had relationships with outside counsel. So, it's been very positive, and it just continues to build all the time. We were at that conference, had a booth, and more and more people are coming up and looking at Alaska as the premier jurisdiction. Just one of our problems is the fact that Delaware has adopted similar legislation. It's not quite as clean as Alaska's. But there's a tendency to want it to ... go to Delaware, but we've been able to convince most of them that Alaska is a better jurisdiction. And so, we think this is going to develop into ... good business opportunities for both lawyers, accountants, life insurance agents, and a lot of life insurance sold to be going to these Alaska trusts. It's been very positive. Number 2174 CHAIRMAN KOTT asked if there were further questions, then closed public testimony. He asked if there were comments from the committee; there were none. Number 2191 REPRESENTATIVE CROFT made a motion to move HB 220 from the committee with individual recommendations and the attached zero fiscal note. There being no objection, HB 220 was moved from the House Judiciary Standing Committee. HB 222 - LTD. PARTNERSHIPS AND LTD. LIAB. COMPANIES CHAIRMAN KOTT announced the final item of business would be HOUSE BILL NO. 222, "An Act relating to the remedies available to judgment creditors against limited liability company members and their assignees and against limited partnership general and limited partners and their assignees; and providing for an effective date." Number 2216 LESIL McGUIRE, Legislative Assistant to Representative Pete Kott, Alaska State Legislature, serving as Committee Aide to the House Judiciary Standing Committee, presented an overview based on the sponsor statement for HB 222. She explained that limited partnerships and limited liability companies are often used for closely held businesses or investment activities. One key advantage for structuring businesses under one of these forums is that a partner can choose who will be his or her partner, and can be certain that the venture will continue for the time period agreed upon by the partners. If a creditor obtains a judgment against a partner or member of the limited partnership or limited liability company, the statutes provide that a creditor can obtain a so-called charging order against the debtor's interests in that business. This remedy allows the creditor to receive the distributions to which the partner or member would be entitled. MS. McGUIRE continued. The Alaska Statutes don't expressly provide for any other remedy, she noted, a concept consistent with the purposes behind these limited liability business formats. The policy is to prohibit active disruption of other partners' business interests, and to prevent partners or members from being forced into taking on that judgment creditor as an unanticipated partner or member. Alaska Statutes, with respect to the judgment debtor remedies, have been clear and are consistent with the Uniform Limited Partnership Act (ULPA). In fact, the ULPA charging order codification attempted to remedy the uncertainty evident at common law by protecting the integrity of the partnership itself, while providing the creditor with some interest in the partnership and some remedy. MS. McGUIRE reported that recently, however, a Connecticut court ruled that a judgment creditor of a limited liability partnership interest could strictly foreclose on the partnership interest and become an actual partner. Depending on the provisions of the partnership agreement, a judgment creditor could then force a dissolution of the entity or sale of its assets. Obviously, this kind of result would be harmful to other partners, and it isn't what was intended by the formation of a limited liability entity. The proposed amendments in HB 222 clarify that a judgment creditor has only the remedy of a charging order, and not that of a foreclosure. The creditor will have the right to receive all distributions to which the debtor or partner is entitled, but won't be entitled to any other remedies. This clarification will serve to insulate the law from judicial misinterpretation. MS. McGUIRE noted that HB 222 is a technical modification, not one of policy. The language clearly states that a judgment creditor has only the rights of an assignee of the members' interests. However, in light of concern about this Connecticut case - as well as the potential for judicial misinterpretation - HB 222 emphasizes and clarifies that the only judicial remedy that will be allowed is a charging order. Ms. McGuire pointed out that the judicial creditor has the remedy of any of the revenue due to that partner or debtor. Such a creditor would not have the ability to foreclose and then, in fact, become a partner. Number 2362 REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI expressed her understanding that this issue has not yet been tested in Alaska's courts. MS. McGUIRE affirmed that, adding that it is preventive or proactive. REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG asked Representative Murkowski whether this is consistent with other, unspecified, legislation regarding the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC). REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI said this is good, and it is consistent with what they are doing. Number 2394 ERIC KUEFFNER, Attorney at Law, Faulkner Banfield, PC, came forward again to express support for HB 222. He said nobody ever thought one could get anything more than a charging order from a limited partnership, and this bill is intended to make sure that is clear. Number 2408 DAVID SHAFTEL, Attorney at Law, testified again via teleconference from Anchorage, saying he had worked on drafting language for HB 222, in consultation with a nationally known expert on limited liability companies and limited partnerships who had recommended the proposed language. Mr. Shaftel asked that members consider passing this provision. He believes all practitioners have the following expectation, and so advise their clients: when forming these small business entities for their family businesses or their closely held businesses, they can expect to choose with whom they will do business, without being forced to dissolve the business or to take in a partner or member - whom they hadn't contemplated - because one of their partners has a creditor problem. MR. SHAFTEL noted that it was a surprise nationally to see that Connecticut case come out, and a very unexpected result. This amendment says that kind of result cannot occur in Alaska; rather, the expectations of the practitioners and the clients will be preserved. He believes it is an excellent amendment that will strengthen Alaska's law. It is also important from a business standpoint, because many nonresidents who set up Alaska trusts will also set up Alaska limited liability companies or limited partnerships; they will expect the normal rules to apply, and this will support that expectation. Number 2460 STEPHEN GREER, Attorney at Law, testified again via teleconference from Anchorage, saying he is in full accord with HB 222, which he believes is very good legislation. TAPE 00-2, SIDE B Number 0001 DOUGLAS BLATTMACHR, President and Chief Executive Officer, Alaska Trust Company, testified again via teleconference from Anchorage, in support of HB 222. He said it is an excellent amendment. It will strengthen Alaska law and encourage people to use Alaska's trust jurisdiction, which most practitioners throughout the country are starting to realize is the premier jurisdiction. Number 0049 CHAIRMAN KOTT, noting that no one else was on teleconference, closed public testimony. He called an at-ease at 2:33 p.m., then called the meeting back to order at 2:36 p.m. Number 0058 REPRESENTATIVE ROKEBERG made a motion to move HB 222 from the committee with individual recommendations and the attached zero fiscal note(s). There being no objection, HB 222 moved from the House Judiciary Standing Committee. ADJOURNMENT Number 0079 There being no further business before the committee, the House Judiciary Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 2:37 p.m.
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