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04/18/2023 03:00 PM House HEALTH & SOCIAL SERVICES

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
      HOUSE HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                     
                         April 18, 2023                                                                                         
                           3:04 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Prax, Chair                                                                                                 
Representative Justin Ruffridge, Vice Chair                                                                                     
Representative CJ McCormick                                                                                                     
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
Representative Jesse Sumner                                                                                                     
Representative Zack Fields                                                                                                      
Representative Genevieve Mina                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 127                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to home- and community-based services under the                                                                
medical assistance program; and providing for an effective                                                                      
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 115                                                                                                              
"An  Act relating  to the  practice of  naturopathy; establishing                                                               
the  Naturopathy Advisory  Board;  relating to  the licensure  of                                                               
naturopaths; relating to  disciplinary sanctions for naturopaths;                                                               
relating to  the Department of Commerce,  Community, and Economic                                                               
Development; and providing for an effective date."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 115 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 127                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: HOME AND COMMUNITY-BASED WAIVER SERVICES                                                                           
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) MINA                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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BILL: HB 115                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: NATUROPATHS: LICENSING; PRACTICE                                                                                   
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) PRAX                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
KATY GIORGIO, Staff                                                                                                             
Representative Genevieve Mina                                                                                                   
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Read the sectional analysis on behalf of                                                                 
Representative Mina, prime sponsor.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SARAH KRUG, representing self                                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 127.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CRYSTAL HOWARD, representing self                                                                                               
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 127.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
VERONICA PAGE, representing self                                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 127.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
LYNNE KEILMAN-CRUZ, Acting Deputy Director                                                                                      
Division of Senior and Disabilities Services                                                                                    
Department of Health                                                                                                            
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions during the hearing on HB
127.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:04:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MIKE PRAX  called  the House  Health  and Social  Services                                                             
Standing   Committee    meeting   to    order   at    3:04   p.m.                                                               
Representatives Ruffridge,  McCormick, Sumner, Fields,  Mina, and                                                               
Prax were present  at the call to order.   Representative Saddler                                                               
arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
        HB 127-HOME AND COMMUNITY-BASED WAIVER SERVICES                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:05:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PRAX  announced that the  first order of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL NO.  127, "An  Act relating  to home-  and community-                                                               
based  services   under  the  medical  assistance   program;  and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:06:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA,  as prime  sponsor, paraphrased  the sponsor                                                               
statement  [included  in the  committee  packet],  which read  as                                                               
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Family caregivers provide physical  labor to loved ones                                                                    
     while  bearing higher  rates  of  emotional stress  and                                                                    
     financial  strain due  to the  unpaid  nature of  their                                                                    
     work. Personal care services  are commonly paid through                                                                    
     the  Medicaid   1915(k)  waiver,  also  known   as  the                                                                    
     Community   First   Choice  (CFC)   program,   allowing                                                                    
     eligible recipients to receive  care in their own homes                                                                    
     and communities  rather than in  institutional settings                                                                    
     such as nursing homes.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     In  Alaska,  legally   responsible  individuals  (e.g.,                                                                    
     spouses,  parents, and  adult children)  are prohibited                                                                    
     from  receiving  Medicaid  compensation  for  providing                                                                    
     personal care  services. The  Centers for  Medicare and                                                                    
     Medicaid     Services    (CMS)     adopted    temporary                                                                    
     flexibilities  during the  COVID-19  pandemic to  allow                                                                    
     payment for  personal care services by  family members.                                                                    
     However, these flexibilities are tied to the Federal                                                                       
     Public Health Emergency  which is set to  expire on May                                                                    
     11, 2023.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     HB    127    maintains   pandemic-related    caregiving                                                                    
     flexibilities   in    Alaska   by    allowing   legally                                                                    
     responsible  adults to  receive  payment for  providing                                                                    
     personal  care services  to Alaskans  eligible for  the                                                                    
     CFC program.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Home care  workers are predicted to  be the fourth-most                                                                    
     demanded profession  in Alaska,  but the state  faces a                                                                    
     direct  care workforce  shortage,  especially in  rural                                                                    
     areas where  home care can  be a family's  only option.                                                                    
     Family members  are often forced  to make  the personal                                                                    
     sacrifice to  fill the  gap through  unpaid caregiving,                                                                    
     reducing their  work hours or even  quitting their jobs                                                                    
     altogether    and  keeping thousands  of Alaskans  from                                                                    
     realizing  their   full  economic  potential.   HB  127                                                                    
     addresses   the   states'   over-reliance   on   unpaid                                                                    
     caregiving by increasing  Alaska's caregiving capacity,                                                                    
     promoting   economic    self-sufficiency   for   family                                                                    
     caregivers,   and  supporting   the  independence   and                                                                    
     dignity of aging Alaskans in their home.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:12:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATY  GIORGIO,   Representative  Genevieve  Mina,   Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  on behalf  of Representative  Mina, prime  sponsor,                                                               
read the  sectional analysis  for HB 127,  which read  as follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section  1.  Amends  AS.  47.07.045   and  adds  a  new                                                                  
     subsection:                                                                                                              
     This allows  the state to  allow a  legally responsible                                                                    
     individual to  be paid to  provide personal care  for a                                                                    
     person who  receives Medicaid  under the  1915(k) state                                                                    
     plan option.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section  2.  Amends  uncodified law  by  adding  a  new                                                                  
     section:                                                                                                                 
     This allows  the state  to amend  and submit  Section 1                                                                    
     for federal approval of the revised state plan.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section  3.  Amends  uncodified law  by  adding  a  new                                                                  
     section:                                                                                                                 
     This  legislation will  only take  effect  if the  U.S.                                                                    
     Department of  Health and  Human Services  approves the                                                                    
     amendment  submitted under  Section 2.  If the  federal                                                                    
     government approves the  amendment, the commissioner of                                                                    
     health shall  notify the revisor  of statutes  not less                                                                    
     than 30 days after receiving notice of the approval.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 4.  Provides for an effective  date conditional                                                                  
     on approval by federal government.                                                                                       
     Legislation  would take  effect on  the 31st  day after                                                                    
     the commissioner of health  receives notice of approval                                                                    
     of the amendment in Section  1 from the U.S. Department                                                                    
     of Health and Human Services.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section 5. Provides for an immediate effective date.                                                                     
     Except for the provisions of  Section 4, this act would                                                                    
     have an immediate effective date.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:13:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SARAH KRUG, representing self, summarized her written testimony                                                                 
[included in the committee packet], which read as follows                                                                       
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Hi, I'm Sarah  Krug and I live in  Anchorage, Alaska. I                                                                    
     am writing in support of SB  106. I am a care provider,                                                                    
     it is my job and my  life. I work as a Paraprofessional                                                                    
     Educator, in  a self-contained  SPED classroom.  I also                                                                    
     work as a  Direct Care Provider, under  Appendix K, for                                                                    
     my son who has an IDD waiver.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     As  a care  provider  I provide  and document  hands-on                                                                    
     assistance   while   also   supporting   a   sense   of                                                                    
     independence with  very personal  needs. I  assist with                                                                    
     tasks  such as  showering,  toileting, teeth  brushing,                                                                    
     medication,  tube feeding,  range of  motion exercises,                                                                    
     position changes, specialized  medical equipment and so                                                                    
     much more.  These supports help  people with  the basic                                                                    
     and  essential   needs  in  their  daily   lives.  Care                                                                    
     provider jobs  require a lot of  hard work: physically,                                                                    
     mentally  and emotionally.  These  are  low paid  jobs,                                                                    
     with high turnover rates. But,  paid care providers are                                                                    
     essential to the infrastructure of our society.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     I have 3 children that I  am raising on my own. Today I                                                                    
     want to  tell you  about Zachary.  Zachary is  17 years                                                                    
     old and has Cerebral Palsy.  He uses a power wheelchair                                                                    
     to  move  and  an  ipad  to  communicate.  He  requires                                                                    
     assistance  with almost  all  his daily  needs just  to                                                                    
     survive.  My son  requires  an  institutional level  of                                                                    
     care. But, with the help  of care providers, he has the                                                                    
     support he needs to thrive.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Before having a child with  a disability I attended UAA                                                                    
     for  Social   Work,  but  Zachary   needed  a   lot  of                                                                    
     specialized  direct care,  more than  childcare centers                                                                    
     could  provide.   Lack  of  qualified   care  providers                                                                    
     prevented  me  from  obtaining  a  college  degree  and                                                                    
     career and  continue to  limit my  ability to  work and                                                                    
     support my family.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Zachary was on  the waitlist for waiver  services for 7                                                                    
     years.  After getting  a waiver  we still  struggled to                                                                    
     find, train  and retain care  providers. Over  the last                                                                    
     10 years, we have had  some amazing care providers, and                                                                    
     others who  just didn't mesh  with our  family. Working                                                                    
     in someone's home  or having someone work  in your home                                                                    
     is a  unique and intimate experience.  Eventually every                                                                    
     care provider  we've ever had  moved on,  which created                                                                    
     an  environment   of  uncertainty,   and  a   sense  of                                                                    
     abandonment for a child who  didn't understand why. The                                                                    
     revolving  door of  care providers  was very  stressful                                                                    
     for my family, especially Zachary.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Covid  created  chaos  and  devastation,  but  it  also                                                                    
     challenged  us to  reevaluate  how  things have  always                                                                    
     been done.  Finding different, yet successful,  ways of                                                                    
     doing things.  There is a significant  shortage of care                                                                    
     providers   available.  This   leaves  people   without                                                                    
     essential  care.   And  families  are  faced   with  an                                                                    
     excessive burden  that comes  with caring for  a person                                                                    
     with a  disability. There is  no easy or one  size fits                                                                    
     all  solution, but  Appendix K  allowed family  members                                                                    
     the  option to  be paid  for time  they work  providing                                                                    
     care  directly for  disabled  family members.  Allowing                                                                    
     family  members  to  be  paid  care  providers  reduces                                                                    
     overall  costs   of  care  and  keeps   people  out  of                                                                    
     expensive   institutions  and   in   their  homes   and                                                                    
     communities.  We  need   consistent  and  quality  care                                                                    
     providers,  and  often that  is  a  family member.  The                                                                    
     stability and  quality care that  I am able  to provide                                                                    
     for  Zachary has  been incredible  for his  development                                                                    
     and goals.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     I work and live as a  care provider. I am a single mom,                                                                    
     I  work two  full-time  jobs and  I  still struggle  to                                                                    
     support my  family. Being able  to be paid for  some of                                                                    
     the hours that I provide  care for my son with Cerebral                                                                    
     Palsy has made my  family more self-sufficient, reduced                                                                    
     our need  for financial assistance, and  overall been a                                                                    
     very  positive experience.  Disabilities  are the  only                                                                    
     minority group  that any  of us can  become part  of at                                                                    
     any  time. Anyone  who might  experience: an  accident,                                                                    
     illness, genetic  difference or  the effects  of aging.                                                                    
     These  are  our  children,  parents,  family,  friends,                                                                    
     neighbors,   coworkers.  They   are  a   part  of   our                                                                    
     community. These people matter.  We all have a personal                                                                    
     stake in the disability community.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Thank you  for taking the  steps to make  Alaska's care                                                                    
     system work  better for everyone. These  policy changes                                                                    
     will make a big difference  in our community and in the                                                                    
     lives  of Alaskan's  with disabilities.  Please support                                                                    
     policies that continue to allow  people to be paid care                                                                    
     providers for family members  with disabilities. If you                                                                    
     want  to know  more or  have questions,  I am  happy to                                                                    
     continue this conversation. You  can reach me via phone                                                                    
     call, text or mail.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:17:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER asked  for her  perspective on  whether a                                                               
family  member  or  a  professional would  be  a  more  effective                                                               
professional care assistant.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KRUG responded  that it  would be  an incredible  option for                                                               
families.   She  stated that  while professional  care assistants                                                               
may  help and  provide  respite,  there is  much  turnover.   She                                                               
explained that  Zachary would have  been further along if  he had                                                               
consistent care.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:20:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CRYSTAL HOWARD,  representing self,  shared that  she has  been a                                                               
nursing assistant  for 24 years.   She explained that  her family                                                               
moved to Alaska  in 2012, and in that year,  her six-year-old son                                                               
was  diagnosed  with  severe  aplastic  anemia,  which  made  him                                                               
transfusion  dependent  for a  year.    She  said she  could  not                                                               
maintain employment  because of his  care, as the  support system                                                               
was inadequate.   She recalled  that, since  he was so  ill, they                                                               
could not  go to Oregon where  a larger support system  would be.                                                               
She said  HB 127  is important for  struggling caregivers  in the                                                               
state.   She  expressed  the  opinion that  the  need for  family                                                               
caregivers is only going to increase.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:23:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VERONICA PAGE, representing self, paraphrased her written                                                                       
testimony [included in the committee packet], which read as                                                                     
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     My name is Veronica Page and  I live in Anchorage. I am                                                                    
     writing  in support  of SB  106 and  HB 127.  This bill                                                                    
     will allow  family members to  be paid to  provide care                                                                    
     for  their loved  ones permanently.  I'm asking  you to                                                                    
     support this bill as well.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     My wedding  dress is hanging  in my garage  unworn. One                                                                    
     month   before  our   wedding  my   fiance  was   in  a                                                                    
     devastating  accident.  He  was  expected to  be  in  a                                                                    
     permanent vegetative  state- never to eat,  to walk, to                                                                    
     live the  way we'd always  planned. I never got  to say                                                                    
     my vows, but  I have stuck by my partner  every step of                                                                    
     the  way  over the  last  12  years  as his  sole  care                                                                    
     provider. By  the healing grace  of God he has  made an                                                                    
     incredible  recovery.  He can  do  most  of the  things                                                                    
     doctors were sure he wouldn't ever be able to.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     We never married  because in the state  of Alaska being                                                                    
     married would  have meant that  I would not be  able to                                                                    
     be paid  as a  caregiver for my  husband. The  care was                                                                    
     24/7 around the clock- there was  no way for me to work                                                                    
     another job  and frankly, he  didn't want  other people                                                                    
     seeing  him  in  that  position.  There  aren't  enough                                                                    
     caregivers  in Alaska  and there  are  many people  who                                                                    
     don't have  the training they  need to be  effective at                                                                    
     work.  Anything less  than  excellent  care would  have                                                                    
     hindered his  recovery. We  couldn't take  that chance,                                                                    
     and we had to pay for housing somehow.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     We are a Christian family and  every day of the last 12                                                                    
     years I have  been living in sin against  my values and                                                                    
     denied my dream.  We could never take  the chance, even                                                                    
     in the last few years,  that our marriage could cost us                                                                    
     my  sole income-  cost us  everything, and  so we  have                                                                    
     done what  we had to do  to be well and  keep the bills                                                                    
     paid.  Alaskans  deserve  choice. Many  families,  like                                                                    
     mine, want to  take care of each other  and they're the                                                                    
     best caregivers  delivering care at the  highest level.                                                                    
     We deserve  to make a  living doing the same  work that                                                                    
     other caregivers do. We deserve to be married, and we                                                                      
     deserve to be paid.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:31:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE  referred to page  1, section 1,  line 7                                                               
of  the proposed  legislation and  questioned  the reasoning  for                                                               
picking just one waiver option, the state's 1915(k) plan.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA  explained that personal care  assistants are                                                               
under the 1915(k) waiver, since  the bill specifically relates to                                                               
such assistants for those receiving care at their own home.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RUFFRIDGE offered  his  understanding that  there                                                               
are other waiver options that allow for personal care.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:33:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LYNNE KEILMAN-CRUZ,  Acting Deputy  Director, Division  of Senior                                                               
and Disabilities  Services, Department of Health,  explained that                                                               
the Community  First Choice  is a  state plan  option, and  it is                                                               
referred to  as the 1915(k)  program.   She stated that  there is                                                               
also  a state  plan  for personal  care  under 1905(a);  however,                                                               
Medicare  and  Medicaid  in  this   plan  do  not  allow  legally                                                               
responsible individuals  to provide  personal care.   She advised                                                               
that  the federal  government would  allow the  state to  proceed                                                               
with  the Community  First  Choice program,  as  proposed in  the                                                               
bill.  She noted that  home and community-based waivers are under                                                               
a  different authority  in  the federal  government  and are  not                                                               
being currently considered.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE inquired as  to whether someone who only                                                               
qualifies for  the 1905(a) could  receive personal  care services                                                               
offered by legally responsible persons.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEILMAN-CRUZ responded that  individuals who receive personal                                                               
care  under 1905(a)  would not  be eligible  to receive  services                                                               
from a legally responsible individual.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE  asked how many are  currently receiving                                                               
personal care services under 1915(k) compared to 1905(a).                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KEILMAN-CRUZ offered  her understanding  that there  are 700                                                               
people receiving care under the 1915(k) program.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:37:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER  asked  if  the intended  effect  of  the                                                               
proposed  bill  is to  allow  family  members who  provided  care                                                               
during  the Covid-19  pandemic  to continue,  or  to expand  such                                                               
services to family members.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA answered yes to both.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  asked if there  is any level  of training                                                               
or  qualifications  required  for  a  family  member  to  provide                                                               
personal care services.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA answered that  personal care assistants would                                                               
still have to have the qualifications and training.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:38:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEILMAN-CRUZ  explained that  requirements for  personal care                                                               
assistants  are the  same for  all employees  of the  agency, and                                                               
this would  include passing a  criminal history  check, receiving                                                               
first aid  and CPR  training, and training  in the  specific care                                                               
for the person.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:39:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  noted the  fiscal note states  that there                                                               
would no  additional expenses with HB  127, as it relates  to the                                                               
Department  of Health.   He  continued that  it does  not address                                                               
what the  increase would be  in the  state's Medicaid costs.   He                                                               
asked for an estimate of what the increase in costs would be.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MINA offered  her understanding  that there  is a                                                               
dwindling  caregiver population  in  Alaska.   She said  allowing                                                               
family  members and  legally  responsible  individuals to  become                                                               
caregivers may  help balance  the workforce gap.   She  asked the                                                               
department to address the fiscal note.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:40:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KEILMAN-CRUZ  concurred with  the  explanation  given.   She                                                               
explained that there would be no  change to the level of services                                                               
that are  authorized by the  division; rather, it would  only add                                                               
the  potential   for  employees   who  are   legally  responsible                                                               
individuals  to provide  the service.   She  explained that  if a                                                               
service were  authorized but  not utilized due  to not  finding a                                                               
caregiver, the person would be  allowed to provide the authorized                                                               
care.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  questioned the increase in  the amount of                                                               
Medicaid expenses.   He questioned  whether there would be  a net                                                               
change in providers.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KEILMAN-CRUZ   explained  that  the  services   are  already                                                               
authorized; therefore, there is no  expectation of an increase in                                                               
the number of caregivers to meet the shortage.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  expressed the  opinion that  HB 127  is a                                                               
"good" bill.   If people learn  that they can be  paid for taking                                                               
care of a family member, he  questioned whether there would be an                                                               
expansion of agencies with provider services.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEILMAN-CRUZ  said that  a recent  survey was  conducted with                                                               
providers to  determine how many  were using  legally responsible                                                               
individuals, with little response.   She explained that there has                                                               
been a decrease in the workforce overall.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:44:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  PRAX inquired  about  the  training certification  process                                                               
that is required and what the timeline is.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEILMAN-CRUZ  explained that training requirements  depend on                                                               
whether the person is receiving  consumer direct care or personal                                                               
care.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:46:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER asked  if  a personal  care assistant  is                                                               
also  a legally  responsible individual  and an  action taken  by                                                               
them harms the person in care, who would be legally responsible.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEILMAN-CRUZ  explained that  in the personal  care programs,                                                               
the individuals providing care would  be enrolled in Medicaid and                                                               
connected to  the agency.  She  stated that this would  allow the                                                               
agency  to hold  the  individual providing  care accountable,  as                                                               
well as the agency itself.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER asked  why the  personal care  assistants                                                               
would be under the Medicaid program.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KEILMAN-CRUZ answered  that  it  would be  one  way to  take                                                               
action against  the person providing  care, and it would  help in                                                               
mitigating fraud, waste, and abuse.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:50:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  PRAX asked  whether  regulations that  go  along with  the                                                               
proposed legislation are already established.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEILMAN-CRUZ  responded that the  state agency would  need to                                                               
develop  regulations to  create  the framework  for the  service.                                                               
She stated  the department  is in  favor of  the bill  because it                                                               
would  start  with a  small  program,  which is  allowable  under                                                               
federal rule.   She  added that starting  with a  smaller program                                                               
would  allow the  time to  put a  framework in  place before  the                                                               
program would be offered on a larger scale.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:51:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PRAX  asked if there  were anything  that would need  to be                                                               
done  with  the  proposed  legislation  to  make  it  easier  for                                                               
providers to enroll.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEILMAN-CRUZ expressed uncertainty.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:53:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PRAX announced that HB 127 was held over.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:53:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 3:53 p.m. to 4:00 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
            HB 115-NATUROPATHS: LICENSING; PRACTICE                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:00:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PRAX  announced that the  final order of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL  NO.  115,  "An  Act  relating  to  the  practice  of                                                               
naturopathy;   establishing  the   Naturopathy  Advisory   Board;                                                               
relating   to  the   licensure   of   naturopaths;  relating   to                                                               
disciplinary   sanctions  for   naturopaths;   relating  to   the                                                               
Department of Commerce, Community,  and Economic Development; and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:01:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE moved to report  HB 115 out of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:01:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SUMNER  objected.     He  pointed  out  that  the                                                               
committee did  substantive work on  the bill.   He asked  why the                                                               
original bill was being advanced  [and not the proposed committee                                                               
substitute].                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RUFFRIDGE answered  that  the  original bill  has                                                               
more  components  to work  on,  and  amendments proposed  in  the                                                               
committee substitute would also need more work.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:02:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SUMNER removed his objection.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:02:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  PRAX,  after  ascertaining   that  there  was  no  further                                                               
objection, announced  that HB 115  was reported out of  the House                                                               
Health and Social Services Standing Committee.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:02:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 4:02 p.m. to 4:03 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:03:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  PRAX advised  that  the  original version  of  HB 115  was                                                               
passed  out of  the  House Health  and  Social Services  Standing                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:03:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 4:03 p.m. to 4:08 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:08:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Health  and  Social  Services   Standing  Committee  meeting  was                                                               
adjourned at 4:08 p.m.                                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 127 Fiscal Note DoH.pdf HHSS 4/18/2023 3:00:00 PM
HB 127
HB 127 Letters of Support 4.12.23.pdf HHSS 4/18/2023 3:00:00 PM
HB 127
HB 127 Sectional Analysis Version A 4.12.23.pdf HHSS 4/18/2023 3:00:00 PM
HB 127
HB 127 Sponsor Statement Ver. A 4.12.23.pdf HHSS 4/18/2023 3:00:00 PM
HB 127
HB0127A.PDF HHSS 4/18/2023 3:00:00 PM
HB 127