Legislature(2023 - 2024)GRUENBERG 120

03/16/2023 10:00 AM House FISHERIES

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10:01:55 AM Presentation(s): Alaska Marine Salmon Runs
11:30:09 AM Adjourn
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON FISHERIES                                                                            
                         March 16, 2023                                                                                         
                           10:00 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Sarah Vance, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Kevin McCabe                                                                                                     
Representative CJ McCormick                                                                                                     
Representative Ben Carpenter                                                                                                    
Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                    
Representative Rebecca Himschoot                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Louise Stutes                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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PRESENTATION(S):  ALASKA MARINE SALMON RUNS                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
KATIE HOWARD, PhD, Lead Scientist                                                                                               
Salmon Ocean Ecology Program                                                                                                    
Department of Fish and Game                                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave a PowerPoint presentation, titled                                                                   
"Alaska Marine Salmon Research."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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10:00:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SARAH   VANCE  called  the  House   Special  Committee  on                                                             
Fisheries  meeting  to  order  at  10:00  a.m.    Representatives                                                               
McCabe, McCormick, Himschoot, and Vance  were present at the call                                                               
to  order.   Representatives  Carpenter  and  C. Johnson  arrived                                                               
while the meeting was in progress.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE announced that the only  order of business would be a                                                               
presentation by the Alaska Department of Fish and Game.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:01:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S):  Alaska Marine Salmon Runs                                                                                    
          PRESENTATION(S):  Alaska Marine Salmon Runs                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
KATIE HOWARD, PhD, Lead Scientist,  Salmon Ocean Ecology Program,                                                               
Department  of   Fish  and  Game   (ADF&G),  gave   a  PowerPoint                                                               
presentation, titled  "Alaska Marine Salmon Research"  [hard copy                                                               
included  in  the  committee  packet].     She  stated  that  the                                                               
presentation will  be a high-level  overview of the  Salmon Ocean                                                               
Ecology  Program (SOEP).   She  pointed  out the  staff of  SOEP,                                                               
which are  mainly focused on  marine salmon research, as  seen on                                                               
slide 2.  She gave details on the staff members.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR.  HOWARD addressed  SOEP's  objectives, as  seen  on slide  3,                                                               
which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Understand the marine life of Alaskan salmon                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
       Use this information to assist fishery management                                                                        
     decision making                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
      Answer pressing questions about what drives Alaskan                                                                       
     salmon abundance                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD  pointed out that  the state  has invested in  a large                                                               
array of coastal  and fresh water monitoring  projects for salmon                                                               
throughout  the state.   These  mostly monitor  returning adults,                                                               
and these  programs include test fisheries,  fish weirs, counting                                                               
towers, sonars, and aerial surveys, as  depicted on slide 3.  She                                                               
noted  that marine  monitoring assessments  have been  lacking in                                                               
Alaska  and  in  most  of  North  America,  compared  with  other                                                               
countries.   She  stated that  the international  "gold standard"                                                               
for monitoring  salmon focuses  on the  salmon's first  summer at                                                               
sea, or the  juvenile life stage, as this life  stage is critical                                                               
for survival.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD pointed out that trawls  are used to do the monitoring                                                               
research; however, these  are small trawls that target  fish at a                                                               
shallower depth, as  depicted on slide 5.  She  stated that these                                                               
surveys  collect  genetic  information to  track  salmon  stocks,                                                               
adding  that habitat,  food  resources,  water temperatures,  and                                                               
other species  and stocks sharing  the habitat are  also tracked.                                                               
She  moved to  slide 6  and pointed  out the  two juvenal  salmon                                                               
tracking  projects   in  the  state:  Southeast   Alaska  Coastal                                                               
Monitoring  (SECM) and  Northern Bering  Sea Survey.   She  added                                                               
that both of these projects  were started by the National Oceanic                                                               
and   Atmospheric  Administration   (NOAA),   but   there  is   a                                                               
collaboration  with ADF&G.    She discussed  the  focus of  these                                                               
projects, including  the tracking of Yukon  River Chinook salmon,                                                               
which  Bering Sea  projects has  helped  with.   She pointed  out                                                               
future forecasting  projects and  noted that  Capital Improvement                                                               
Project funding is aiding with these.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD  stated that the  next few slides will  summarize some                                                               
of the  ways these  monitoring projects  are combined  with other                                                               
shorter  term research  projects to  address the  marine life  of                                                               
salmon.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:09:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR.  HOWARD continued  to  slide  7, titled  "How  can we  better                                                               
anticipate future run size?"  She  noted that often the size of a                                                               
run is  not known until  well into  the fishing season,  and this                                                               
gives little  time to  act accordingly  to the  size of  the run.                                                               
She suggested  that understanding the juvenile  marine data would                                                               
better help with this forecasting.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD moved to slide 8  and explained the depicted graphs on                                                               
run  anticipation.    She  stated   that  the  graphs  show  that                                                               
Southeast Alaska pink salmon harvests  have aligned with what was                                                               
predicted  using the  SECM survey.   She  noted that  both graphs                                                               
show the same  data but in different ways.   She pointed out that                                                               
this forecasting has been effective and accurate.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD stated that because  Chinook salmon spend more time at                                                               
sea, they  have become  easier to predict  than the  other salmon                                                               
species, and she referred to the  Bering Sea survey and the Yukon                                                               
Chinook salmon,  as seen  on the  graphs on slide  9.   She noted                                                               
that both graphs  show the same data but in  different ways.  She                                                               
stated that with  this tool, up to three years  in the future can                                                               
be  forecasted.   She noted  that the  drop in  data in  2022 was                                                               
because  surveys  were  not conducted  because  of  the  COVID-19                                                               
pandemic.   She explained that  this left  two to three  years of                                                               
un-forecasted returns.   Because the runs are  currently so poor,                                                               
she  said  that  this  gap   is  extremely  unfortunate  for  the                                                               
forecasting, as seen  on slide 10.  She added  that this could be                                                               
attributed to  the heat wave  in the  Bering Sea when  these fish                                                               
were juveniles.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:15:57 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR.  HOWARD moved  to slide  11, titled  "What is  driving record                                                               
poor  Yukon River  Chinook salmon  runs?"   She stated  that this                                                               
decline has been ongoing for over  a decade, with 2022 seeing the                                                               
poorest run  ever recorded.   She suggested  that the  decline is                                                               
starting  to be  understood  and can  be  attributed to  multiple                                                               
metabolic  stressors acting  on returning  adult Chinook  salmon.                                                               
She explained that these salmon  have the highest migration route                                                               
compared to  any other  North Pacific  salmon, and  this combined                                                               
with  the  metabolic  stressors  have affected  the  runs.    She                                                               
provided details on how metabolic stressors affect the salmon.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD  pointed out  that NOAA recently  awarded a  grant for                                                               
further  research into  this concept  concerning the  Yukon River                                                               
Chinook salmon.  She stated that  this work will continue for the                                                               
next  three years.    She  moved to  slide  13,  titled "What  is                                                               
driving record  poor western Alaska  chum salmon runs?"   As seen                                                               
on the graph,  she stated that there have  been dramatic declines                                                               
in  this chum  salmon since  2020.   She stated  that these  runs                                                               
historically  have been  variable; however,  the recent  runs are                                                               
unprecedented,  and  she  expressed the  understanding  that  the                                                               
subsistence  harvesters   in  the  region  have   had  tremendous                                                               
hardships.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:22:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER, pointing  to  the graph  on slide  13,                                                               
questioned the decline  that happened around 20 years  ago in the                                                               
Yukon River Chum salmon return.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR.  HOWARD noted  the decline  in  chum salmon  runs in  Western                                                               
Alaska 20 years ago; however, she  noted the runs were not as low                                                               
as  they  are  currently.   She  explained  that  the  prevailing                                                               
hypothesis is that  there was a warm  water coccolithophore bloom                                                               
in the area  where the juvenile salmon spend  their rearing time,                                                               
and this  is believed to lead  to poor survival in  these salmon.                                                               
She noted that the marine surveys  did not exist at that time, so                                                               
this was  not observed by research.   In response to  a follow-up                                                               
question, she  defined a coccolithophore  bloom, and  the effects                                                               
this has on the ocean visibility and filtration.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER requested an  explanation of the effects                                                               
of warmer ocean waters and phytoplankton blooms.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR.  HOWARD  responded  that  the   question  is  complex.    She                                                               
explained  that the  Bering Sea  is unique,  as it  is a  sea-ice                                                               
driven ecosystem.   She  stated that the  algae are  an important                                                               
driver in the  ecosystem each year, and as sea  ice recedes these                                                               
nutritious algae, and zooplankton, which  is the food for salmon,                                                               
are in the  water; however, when there  is no sea ice,  as in the                                                               
last  few years  due to  heat waves,  there is  no ice-associated                                                               
algae.   She added that there  are other kinds of  algae that are                                                               
less nutritious,  creating less nutritious zooplankton,  and this                                                               
follows along  the food chain.   She noted that the  situation is                                                               
different in the Gulf of Alaska.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER asked  whether the  temperature of  sea                                                               
ice results in a phytoplankton bloom.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD  answered that this  is partly  because of what  is in                                                               
the ice,  but also the growing  season in the Bering  Sea is much                                                               
shorter  so when  it  recedes this  particular  species of  algae                                                               
blooms, and this has a  cascade effect concerning the food chain.                                                               
She stated that the timing is  effected by how much sea ice there                                                               
is and how quickly it retreats.   If the timing lines up with the                                                               
animals that depend  on this, this is important.   In response to                                                               
a follow-up  question, she  stated that  there are  chemicals and                                                               
minerals in the  ice, and this helps to support  the algae bloom.                                                               
She expressed the  understanding that part of  the issue specific                                                               
to the  Bering Sea  is that  there are  certain species  of algae                                                               
that are only  associated with the sea ice, and  these tend to be                                                               
nutrient  rich,  compared to  other  algae.    In response  to  a                                                               
follow-up  question,  she  expressed uncertainty  concerning  any                                                               
[man-made  effort]  to  replace  the  sea  ice  ecosystem.    She                                                               
explained  that  this has  to  do  with  the development  of  the                                                               
ecosystem over thousands of years.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:33:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD, moving to slide 14,  stated that the chum salmon that                                                               
should  have returned  during the  recent down  years of  2020 to                                                               
2022, were juveniles  from 2016 to 2019, and this  was during the                                                               
time period that coincided with  the worst warming heat wave that                                                               
has ever  been recorded in  the Eastern  Bering Sea.   She stated                                                               
that these years  were so warm that NOAA  declared emergency heat                                                               
waves in 2016  to 2019.  She further explained  how extreme these                                                               
conditions were  in the  area that is  the prime  rearing habitat                                                               
for juvenile  Arctic-Yukon-Kuskokwim (AYK)  chum.   She explained                                                               
that there was also  a heat wave during this time  in the Gulf of                                                               
Alaska, where these salmon over-winter.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD, in response to  a committee question, she stated that                                                               
the prime  rearing grounds  for these chum  salmon are  all along                                                               
the continental  shelf, and this can  be close to shore  at times                                                               
and in  the exclusive economic  zone (EEZ).   In terms  of miles,                                                               
she stated that she  would need to look this up.   She added that                                                               
the salmon in this area are  broadly distributed.  In response to                                                               
a follow-up question, she expressed  the belief that the sampling                                                               
would be encompassing  most of the chum area.   She noted that in                                                               
the  Bering Strait,  where  the boundary  lines  are close,  some                                                               
Russian chum  salmon are  present.  She  stated that  sampling is                                                               
not done outside of EEZ.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:40:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD continued to Slide  15, titled "What is driving record                                                               
poor western Alaska  chum salmon runs?"  She  stated that through                                                               
marine surveys,  changes to both  the ecosystem and  the juvenile                                                               
chum  salmon were  being  recorded during  the  strong heat  wave                                                               
years, and  a report is  being produced.   She noted  that during                                                               
these years  the juveniles were  in extremely poor  condition and                                                               
more fish  were reported  with empty stomachs.   She  stated that                                                               
the  diet  changed  from  high quality,  diverse  food  to  lower                                                               
quality  food items.   It  was noted  that salmon  and non-salmon                                                               
species moved  northward.  She  reiterated that these  heat waves                                                               
were  unprecedented  in  scale,  magnitude, and  duration.    The                                                               
report shows  that there  has been  a lag  time between  the heat                                                               
wave and the return to normalcy,  and she expressed the hope that                                                               
the existence of sea ice will return to its previous state.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD  moved to  slide 16, titled  "How do  predators impact                                                               
the  marine survival  of  Alaskan  salmon?"   She  said that  the                                                               
department has begun tagging salmon  sharks to measure the effect                                                               
of predators.  On the next  slide, she addressed salmon that have                                                               
wounds and scars  from predators.  She stated that  this is being                                                               
analyzed into  patterns of predation  over time.  She  noted that                                                               
the marine mammal predators are  not captured in the survey gear,                                                               
as  this is  against the  Marine Mammel  Protection Act,  but she                                                               
added that  emerging technology is allowing  for more information                                                               
to be collected.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR.  HOWARD,  in  response  to  a  question  from  Representative                                                               
Carpenter,  stated   that  there   are  not  enough   studies  to                                                               
understand whether  salmon sharks  are eating  salmon, and  it is                                                               
uncertain what these sharks eat.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER  expressed   the  concern  that  salmon                                                               
studies have been  in easy-access areas; however,  the problem is                                                               
"not  where we  are  looking."   He  expressed  the opinion  that                                                               
salmon sharks are much better than  humans at finding salmon.  He                                                               
argued that  research needs to  go outside of the  coastal waters                                                               
in order to understand what is happening to salmon.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:48:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIMSCHOOT,  concerning   the  graphic  of  salmon                                                               
sharks  on slide  16, questioned  whether this  is depicting  one                                                               
shark and why the colors change.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD  confirmed that the  moving dots represent  one salmon                                                               
shark,  and the  colors  represent the  different  months of  the                                                               
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  VANCE  questioned  other organizations  conducting  salmon                                                               
shark studies further out in the ocean.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD said that a coalition  of scientists from all over the                                                               
Pacific  convened  for  the  International  Year  of  the  Salmon                                                               
survey,  and this  effort  was  the biggest  study  of its  kind.                                                               
During this  event she said  that salmon sharks had  been tagged.                                                               
She  discussed  Russian and  Japanese  efforts,  which have  been                                                               
centralized more  at sea and  outside of  their EEZ.   She stated                                                               
that she will discuss this further in the presentation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE voiced her support  for further funding for fisheries                                                               
research.   She expressed the  opinion that the state  is lacking                                                               
in this research, as it is "behind the curve."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:53:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR.  HOWARD  moved to  Slide  18,  titled "Salmon  Bycatch,"  and                                                               
discussed  the federally  managed  pollock fishery.   She  stated                                                               
that SOEP plays a role  in providing data, technical support, and                                                               
scientific  advice  to  the  National  Marine  Fisheries  Service                                                               
(NMFS), bycatch  task force,  and to council  staff.   She stated                                                               
that this  is important because  bycatch issues occur  outside of                                                               
the state's  jurisdiction.  She  discussed further  research that                                                               
would  result in  predictive maps  for  Chinook Salmon  hotspots.                                                               
She expressed  the hope that  these maps  can be provided  to the                                                               
pollack  fisheries so  this  area can  be  avoided, reducing  the                                                               
bycatch.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD said  the council is also looking  to minimize bycatch                                                               
for  chum salmon.    She  stated that  SOEP  is participating  by                                                               
providing predictive tools  for the juvenile salmon,  and this is                                                               
in conjunction with other entities.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE  questioned whether Russian  hatchery salmon  have an                                                               
effect on Western Alaska fish.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD responded  that most of Russian  hatcheries raise pink                                                               
salmon, which do  not inhabit the Bering Sea.   However, Japan is                                                               
raising chum salmon  that migrate to the Bering Sea.   She stated                                                               
that these  effects are  a big challenge  to understand,  and she                                                               
noted that the  next slide would address this.   She said Russian                                                               
research  shows that  salmon are  consuming  0 to  15 percent  of                                                               
marine nutrients.   She  pointed out that  the salmon  biomass is                                                               
small in  comparison to  all the  pelagic fish  consuming similar                                                               
food  in the  ocean; therefore,  it  is difficult  to assess  the                                                               
problem  that hatchery  salmon may  present.   In  response to  a                                                               
follow-up  question regarding  whether  information from  Russian                                                               
scientists  can be  provided to  the committee,  she stated  that                                                               
these  publications  are  written   in  Russian,  but  there  are                                                               
summaries [in English] that can be provided.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  HOWARD addressed  part  of the  role of  SOEP  on slide  19,                                                               
titled  "Is Competition  at Sea  Impacting Alaska  salmon?"   The                                                               
slide read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
         • Provide information and technical advice to                                                                          
     department leadership, the board and others                                                                                
     • Keep up to date and review scientific literature on                                                                      
      interspecific salmon competition at sea and the role                                                                      
     of salmon in marine food webs                                                                                              
     • Participate in international expert groups assessing                                                                     
     the role of pink salmon in marine ecosystems                                                                               
     • New research to better inform the issue                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD described  some of the current  published studies that                                                               
have  focused  on  competition  and  abundance  concerning  ocean                                                               
salmon.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:06:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR.  HOWARD   moved  to  Slide   20,  titled   "2022  Pan-Pacific                                                               
Expedition".   She stated that  this expedition  contains several                                                               
different surveys on  competition at sea.  She  stated that ADF&G                                                               
is collaborating  on a  project that  leverages these  surveys to                                                               
access potential  competition between  AYK chum salmon  and other                                                               
stocks and species in the winter.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD,  in response to  a committee question, said  that the                                                               
analyses from  these reports on  competition for AYK  chum salmon                                                               
will be published in a year or two.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD narrated Slide 21,  titled "International Data Sharing                                                               
and Collaboration."   She explained  that because U.S.  salmon do                                                               
not remain  in U.S.  waters during their  marine life,  there has                                                               
been  an effort  for international  cooperation.   She referenced                                                               
the International Year  of the Salmon effort as an  example.  She                                                               
added that a publication will be  coming out soon on this effort,                                                               
and it  will include  a variety  of studies.   She  discussed the                                                               
North Pacific  Anadromous Fish  Commission (NPAFC),  stating that                                                               
ADF&G does play  a role on the scientific committee.   She listed                                                               
the countries involved, which include,  the U.S., Canada, Russia,                                                               
and Japan.   These countries share information  and work together                                                               
with the goal  of understanding Pacific salmon.   She stated that                                                               
she is  in the  working group for  stock assessments,  which will                                                               
soon  be publishing  a work  on  salmon stock  across the  entire                                                               
Pacific.  She stated that  through NPAFC relationships, there has                                                               
been  a connection  with resources  and opportunities  that would                                                               
not otherwise exist.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
11:13:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD moved  to slide 22 and spoke to  the expense of marine                                                               
surveys.    She  stated  that different  technologies  are  being                                                               
investigated  to  help   reduce  these  costs.     One  of  these                                                               
technologies,  she said,  is exploring  the use  of environmental                                                               
DNA, which involves  examining DNA in water samples.   She stated                                                               
that  SOEP is  collecting water  samples during  its surveys  and                                                               
giving  these to  the NOAA  genetic  laboratory in  Juneau.   She                                                               
stated that  another project  uses salmon bones  to see  the life                                                               
history  of chum  salmon, and  this is  being done  by using  new                                                               
technologies.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD expressed  the understanding that for  most people the                                                               
life of  salmon is an unknown.   She expressed the  importance of                                                               
investing time  and energy into  communications and  outreach, as                                                               
seen on  slide 23.   She pointed out  that the ADF&G  website has                                                               
information on SOEP.  She pointed  out that Facebook has become a                                                               
more   dynamic  way   to  interact   with   the  department   and                                                               
stakeholders,  as  there are  several  new  posts  a week.    She                                                               
invited   the  committee   and  public   to  interact   with  the                                                               
department.   She stated that  also there are  many presentations                                                               
outside  the  salmon  season to  stakeholder  groups,  and  these                                                               
provide information as  well as opportunities for  feedback.  She                                                               
concluded the presentation with this.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:18:15 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER referenced the  comment that most Alaska                                                               
salmon do  not stay in the  state's waters.  He  questioned which                                                               
salmon are being excluded from this list.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD responded that portions  of stocks in Southeast Alaska                                                               
will stay  in inside waters;  however, she said that  most salmon                                                               
migrate out at least three miles, out of the EEZ.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CARPENTER  referenced slide  14 that  depicted the                                                               
heat wave  map.   He questioned whether  the waters  depicted are                                                               
inside or outside of state waters.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD responded that the  slide depicts the primary juvenile                                                               
salmon rearing  habitats for  Western Alaska.   In response  to a                                                               
follow-up  question, she  stated that  in later  life stages  the                                                               
salmon  leave  these  grounds  for deeper  water.    She  further                                                               
discussed this critical stage for  salmon survival, and she noted                                                               
that it is incredibly variable.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CARPENTER  questioned  whether the  heat  of  the                                                               
water would reduce the food supply to salmon.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. HOWARD explained that the  warmer water effects both the food                                                               
supply  and the  salmon.   She explained  that salmon  metabolism                                                               
"ramps  up" when  water temperatures  rise, and  this will  cause                                                               
them to starve.   The other issue is that  the rising temperature                                                               
is effecting  the entire ecosystem,  which would affect  the food                                                               
available,  the competitor  species,  the  predator species,  and                                                               
other variables.   She noted that there is also  the tendency for                                                               
a higher occurrence of disease in warmer water temperatures.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   CARPENTER  questioned   how   the  research   is                                                               
prioritized at ADF&G.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR.  HOWARD explained  that most  of  the research  is funded  by                                                               
grant proposals,  and this depends  on the available grants.   In                                                               
response  to  a  follow-up  question, she  stated  that  research                                                               
topics,  goals, and  directions are  mandated by  the leaders  at                                                               
ADF&G, but it can also be driven by the funding.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:26:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIMSCHOOT questioned  the roles  that traditional                                                               
ecological knowledge (TEK) has played,  whether from fishermen or                                                               
Alaska Natives.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR.  HOWARD  responded  that   the  project  investigating  Yukon                                                               
Chinook salmon  is attempting to  be inclusive.  She  stated that                                                               
the  Western  science  arm  of  the  program  is  collecting  its                                                               
traditional data, but this is  being done in partnership with the                                                               
Yukon River Drainage Fisheries  Association, and this association                                                               
connects with local fishermen, who  have helped collect the data.                                                               
She stated that  another project related to the  health of salmon                                                               
has worked  with communities to gather  TEK, such as the  loss of                                                               
belly fat  in Chinook salmon over  the years.  She  expressed the                                                               
hope  that  more  of  this   information  can  be  collected  and                                                               
integrated in projects with ADF&G.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:29:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR VANCE provided closing comments.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:30:09 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special  Committee on  Fisheries meeting  was adjourned  at 11:30                                                               
a.m.                                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HFSH ADF&G Salmon Ocean Ecology Program 03.16.2023.pdf HFSH 3/16/2023 10:00:00 AM