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01/30/2026 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     January 30, 2026                                                                                           
                         1:51 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:51:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  called the House Finance  Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 1:51 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Andy Josephson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Calvin Schrage, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Jamie Allard                                                                                                     
Representative Jeremy Bynum                                                                                                     
Representative Alyse Galvin                                                                                                     
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Elexie Moore                                                                                                     
Representative Frank Tomaszewski                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Nellie Unangiq Jimmie                                                                                            
Representative Will Stapp                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Janelle  Earls,   Acting  Commissioner   and  Administrative                                                                    
Services  Director,   Department  of  Revenue;   Pam  Leary,                                                                    
Director,  Treasury Division,  Department  of Revenue;  Zach                                                                    
Hanna,   Chief   Investment  Officer,   Treasury   Division,                                                                    
Department of Revenue.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PRESENATION:  SAVINGS,  RESERVES,  AND  INVESTMENTS  BY  THE                                                                    
DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster reviewed the meeting agenda.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENATION:  SAVINGS,  RESERVES,  AND INVESTMENTS  BY  THE                                                                  
DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:53:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JANELLE EARLS, ACTING COMMISSIONER AND ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                           
SERVICES DIRECTOR, DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE, introduced                                                                            
herself and her colleagues.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PAM  LEARY,  DIRECTOR,   TREASURY  DIVISION,  DEPARTMENT  OF                                                                    
REVENUE,   provided   a   PowerPoint   presentation   titled                                                                    
"Treasury  Cash  Flow  and Investment  Fund  Update,"  dated                                                                    
January 30,  2026 (copy on  file). She addressed  the slides                                                                    
with prepared remarks:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Slide 2 is our agenda.  First, we're going to introduce                                                                    
     you to the functions in  Treasury and then we will take                                                                    
     a  deeper dive  into  cash management,  followed by  an                                                                    
     update of the Treasury's investment funds.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     On  slide  4  we  have  a chart  that  shows  the  four                                                                    
     sections   of   the   Treasury  Division   that   touch                                                                    
     investments and  cash flows.  We have  40 professionals                                                                    
     that work  in these sections with  strong longevity. In                                                                    
     fact, Treasury  leadership has an  average of  17 years                                                                    
     at the  Treasury. Many of  our staff  have professional                                                                    
     designations   such   as   CFA   (Chartered   Financial                                                                    
     Analyst), like  CIO Hanna,  and CPAs  (Certified Public                                                                    
     Accountant)  like   me.  The  box  in   red  shows  the                                                                    
     Portfolio  Management  Team,   also  called  the  front                                                                    
     office,  where 16  investment staff  invest the  assets                                                                    
     for state  fiduciaries. The  team performs  or oversees                                                                    
     120,000  trades  annually, develops  asset  allocations                                                                    
     and investment policies on behalf  of hundreds of state                                                                    
     accounts that roll into  45 investment funds, utilizing                                                                    
     30 investment pools, supported  by about 150 investment                                                                    
     managers and over  700 private equity funds.  That is a                                                                    
     lot, more than last year in  fact and about half of the                                                                    
     assets  are managed  internally  and  you'll hear  more                                                                    
     about that from CIO Hanna a bit later.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     The green box is the  Accounting and Operations side of                                                                    
     the house  also referred to  as the back  office, which                                                                    
     ensures  that those  120,000 trades  and costs  are all                                                                    
     directed and  accounted for in the  correct amounts and                                                                    
     in the  right funds. The  purple box in the  lower left                                                                    
     is the  middle office where compliance  and performance                                                                    
     reporting  is   housed.  The  Compliance   Group  helps                                                                    
     protect  invested  assets  by monitoring  adherence  to                                                                    
     laws,  rules,  regulations,  contracts,  policies,  and                                                                    
     guidelines. They perform more  than 75 compliance tests                                                                    
     on trades  daily. The Performance Group  calculates the                                                                    
     performance  for 45  funds every  day. This  group also                                                                    
     supports  the other  sections  as  the data  management                                                                    
     center bringing  technology into our daily  practice to                                                                    
     make us more efficient and knowledgeable.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:56:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary continued to review slide 4 with prepared                                                                             
remarks:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Cash Management  in the teal  colored box on  the lower                                                                    
     right  is arguably  one of  the most  important central                                                                    
     functions provided  to the state,  processing thousands                                                                    
     of  transactions daily  that  support  the revenue  and                                                                    
     expenditure  in the  accounting  systems. They  oversee                                                                    
     all  of the  cashflows into  and  out of  the state  to                                                                    
     ensure that  the General  Fund has  sufficient balances                                                                    
     to  pay  our  bills.  They  also  coordinate  with  our                                                                    
     investment  team daily  to maximize  our invested  cash                                                                    
     amounts.  I   will  talk  a  little   more  about  Cash                                                                    
     Management  in  the  next  slides  but  will  say  that                                                                    
     managing  cashflows   and  investing  $58   billion  in                                                                    
     numerous investment  funds is  as complex as  it sounds                                                                    
     and I  would take  this opportunity to  acknowledge our                                                                    
     very skilled team  for the work they do  and the strong                                                                    
     track record that they have.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:57:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary turned to slide 6 titled "Managing Alaska's Cash                                                                      
Flows" and provided prepared remarks:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Cash  Management provides  many  core  services to  the                                                                    
     state  from maintaining  bank contracts  for depository                                                                    
     services  and   credit  card  acceptance   programs  to                                                                    
     working with departments  on federal programs. Arguably                                                                    
     the  most  important  daily   task  is  managing  state                                                                    
     cashflows.  As the  graphic on  the  right shows,  cash                                                                    
     inflows  come   from  various  sources:   tax  revenue,                                                                    
     federal  programs,   agency  receipts,   and  reserves.                                                                    
     While,  cash  outflows are  made  to  pay for  payroll,                                                                    
     pensions,  Medicaid, and  Permanent  Fund Dividends  to                                                                    
     name  a  few.  As  I   will  discuss  later,  the  Cash                                                                    
     Management  team is  experienced  in  working with  the                                                                    
     state's  reserves to  ensure  we  have sufficient  cash                                                                    
     balances  to  pay our  bills.  According  to Pew  Trust                                                                    
     research,   Alaska's  primary   rainy  day   fund,  the                                                                    
     Constitutional  Budget  Reserve  (CBR)  is  the  second                                                                    
     highest of all  states in terms of being  able to cover                                                                    
     our  operating  budget.  With  the  passage  of  SB  26                                                                    
     starting  in  2019,  revenue   began  coming  into  the                                                                    
     Treasury  from  the   Earnings  Reserve  Account  (ERA)                                                                    
     managed at the Alaska  Permanent Fund. This has allowed                                                                    
     for fewer draws from the rainy  day fund and has been a                                                                    
     welcome  tool  to  manage  cashflows,  especially  with                                                                    
     uncertainty  surrounding   the  amount  of   timing  of                                                                    
     cashflows.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin asked  for  context  around the  term                                                                    
"significant  reserves." She  referenced the  statement that                                                                    
Alaska was  the second  highest of 50  states. She  asked if                                                                    
there  was a  best  practice  for the  amount  a state  like                                                                    
Alaska should have  in reserves. She wondered  if Alaska was                                                                    
exceeding that amount.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary answered that Alaska's  $2.9 billion to $3 billion                                                                    
in  reserves was  a  higher absolute  number.  When the  Pew                                                                    
Trust looked at  rankings it looked at the number  of days a                                                                    
state could cover its operating  expenses with reserves. She                                                                    
detailed that  Wyoming was the  highest with a year  or more                                                                    
in reserves.  Alaska had sufficient reserves  to cover about                                                                    
191  days of  operating  expenses. There  were many  answers                                                                    
that  could be  given to  the best  practices question.  She                                                                    
believed every  state was individual. She  relayed that some                                                                    
states and  municipalities used formulas. She  remarked that                                                                    
coverage of days  was an important data  point. She detailed                                                                    
that from  an absolute standpoint and  Pew Trust standpoint,                                                                    
the  state's reserves  were currently  adequate. There  were                                                                    
always  questions  about  what constituted  enough  and  she                                                                    
believed that  was a budgetary and  administrative question.                                                                    
She noted  that a  lot of  numbers had  been heard  over the                                                                    
years  and  what  the  correct   number  was  was  still  in                                                                    
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:01:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Galvin   imagined  the   ratings   agencies                                                                    
evaluated Alaska based  on cash flow and  other factors. She                                                                    
guessed there  were some standards  the agencies  looked for                                                                    
such as the  ability to cover at least 150  days or whatever                                                                    
the number was. She remarked  that Alaska was in a difficult                                                                    
fiscal time and it would be  nice to know that the state was                                                                    
not putting itself  at any risk of  downgrading its ratings.                                                                    
She would  be grateful  to have  more certainty  around what                                                                    
rating  agencies were  looking at  when they  looked at  the                                                                    
component.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary answered that the  department's debt manager would                                                                    
come speak to  the committee about the  rating agencies. She                                                                    
believed the  state had four  [rating] upgrades in  the past                                                                    
couple  of  years,  which was  based  on  fiscal  restraint,                                                                    
knowing  reserve  balances,  the stability  of  the  revenue                                                                    
stream (much  of which was  currently coming from  the ERA).                                                                    
She did  not know exactly  what the rating agencies  had and                                                                    
she did not  know whether the debt manager would  be able to                                                                    
provide an  explicit answer.  She noted  that the  fact that                                                                    
the  state's ratings  had continued  to be  stable had  seen                                                                    
upgrade indicated  that rating  agencies thought  Alaska was                                                                    
doing ok.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:03:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Schrage remarked  that while  the state  had large                                                                    
cash reserves, it had more  volatile revenues than any other                                                                    
state, which warranted a large  reserve because there may be                                                                    
dips in  oil revenue for  a prolonged period.  He recognized                                                                    
there were  best practices and  metrics the  rating agencies                                                                    
used to evaluate states, but  he thought it was difficult to                                                                    
create a  standard based  on the rest  of the  country given                                                                    
Alaska's unique budgetary volatility.  He asked if Ms. Leary                                                                    
agreed with the sentiment.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary agreed.  She pointed out that  the state's revenue                                                                    
stream was a bit more  certain because the ERA represented a                                                                    
larger portion of that stream.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski looked at  slide 4 and referenced                                                                    
the bullet  point reflecting that  the division  made trades                                                                    
on behalf  of hundreds  of state  accounts that  rolled into                                                                    
45+  investment   funds.  He  asked  if   the  division  was                                                                    
investing the unemployment insurance (UI) fund.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  responded affirmatively. She elaborated  that the                                                                    
UI  fund was  one of  the funds  in the  General Fund.  More                                                                    
detail would be provided in the presentation.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Tomaszewski  asked   if  the   hundreds  of                                                                    
accounts  were pooled  together for  investing. He  asked if                                                                    
there was information on how  the funds were doing, what the                                                                    
investments looked like, and where the interest was going.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  replied that the  presentation would  address the                                                                    
General   Fund   and    Other   Non-Segregated   Investments                                                                    
(GeFONSI),  which the  fund rolled  up  into. She  explained                                                                    
that that  GeFONSI I and  II were investment  funds invested                                                                    
in  management  funds. The  funds'  overall  returns on  any                                                                    
given day  were the same, but  cash flows in and  out of the                                                                    
funds meant  that there would  be slight differences  in the                                                                    
returns between  the funds  in a  fiscal year.  The division                                                                    
calculated the interest on a  daily basis and assigned it to                                                                    
each of the funds managed in the GeFONSI accounts.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:06:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  looked  at slide  4  and  understood                                                                    
there were  40 people  in the Treasury  Division with  16 in                                                                    
portfolio management.  She asked  about the number  of staff                                                                    
in the other three sections.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  replied  that  Cash   Management  had  5  filled                                                                    
positions  and   12  in  the   back  office   operations  in                                                                    
administration.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan   asked  if   the  back   office  was                                                                    
accounting and operations.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary responded affirmatively.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  about the number of  positions in the                                                                    
Compliance Section.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  clarified that compliance  was included  in group                                                                    
she had just mentioned.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan stated  her understanding  there were                                                                    
40 total division employees.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary   responded  there   were  currently   40  filled                                                                    
positions,  which  included  debt management  and  unclaimed                                                                    
property -  unclaimed property  day was  February 1  and she                                                                    
encouraged  people   to  look   for  their   missing  money.                                                                    
Additionally,  there  was  an Alaska  Retirement  Management                                                                    
Board (ARMB)  liaison, generally  considered as part  of the                                                                    
portfolio group because the position  dealt with most of the                                                                    
retirement management investments.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan asked if all of the cannabis tax                                                                          
revenue ended up with the Cash Management section because                                                                       
it was physically cash.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary answered that all cash inflows and outflows came                                                                      
through Cash Management. She described the section as the                                                                       
gatekeeper of the state's bank.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:08:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary moved to slide 7 related to revenue and                                                                               
expenditure uncertainty and read from prepared remarks:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     On slide  7 we  have detailed why  we have  revenue and                                                                    
     expenditure  uncertainty.   Unrestricted  general  fund                                                                    
     revenue  came from  two main  sources: oil  revenue and                                                                    
     investment  earnings. Oil  is  as  commodity was  quite                                                                    
     volatile  both  in terms  of  price  and quantity.  The                                                                    
     revenue from  Permanent Fund investments was  much less                                                                    
     volatile. Due  to the percent  of market  value formula                                                                    
     that provides certainty in the  current year and in the                                                                    
     next year.  Further, because investments  are providing                                                                    
     a  greater  share   of  unrestricted  general  revenue,                                                                    
     projected  to be  more than  60 percent  this year  and                                                                    
     next, we  have a  bit more  certainty with  revenues at                                                                    
     least in the short term.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     On  the expenditure  side,  while  those are  generally                                                                    
     planned, there  can be uncertainty in  terms of amounts                                                                    
     and timing and those fall  into a couple of categories.                                                                    
     For example, federal  programs require that departments                                                                    
     spend  the  money  before we  call  for  reimbursement.                                                                    
     There  was  always  money going  out  the  door  before                                                                    
     coming   in.   Also,   there    tend   to   be   larger                                                                    
     appropriations at  the start  of a fiscal  year largely                                                                    
     because the  appropriations settled  for the  next year                                                                    
     start  going out  and funds  need to  be available  for                                                                    
     those.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:10:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary addressed slide 8 with prepared remarks:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Slide  8 defines  cash  flow  deficiencies and  revenue                                                                    
     shortfalls  and how  we deal  with them.  Over time  as                                                                    
     more  subfunds were  created, the  General Fund  proper                                                                    
     had  less  money  in  it  to pay  our  bills  and  that                                                                    
     resulted in our need to  monitor our cash balances more                                                                    
     closely.  Cash flow  deficiencies are  common and  they                                                                    
     can  be addressed  by managing  the timing  of receipts                                                                    
     and payments. An example of  this is when we spread out                                                                    
     an appropriation  payment across  the year  rather than                                                                    
     just  transferring the  funds at  the beginning  of the                                                                    
     year  and  we  often  will work  with  departments  and                                                                    
     divisions to make  sure that that can  happen. There is                                                                    
     a memorandum  of understanding between  the Departments                                                                    
     of Revenue,  Administration, OMB, and Law  that outline                                                                    
     steps  that  we  follow  and those  are  shown  on  the                                                                    
     righthand side of  the slide. This is what we  do if we                                                                    
     have a  cash deficiency, which is  currently defined as                                                                    
     forecast  cash  dipping  below $400  million  for  five                                                                    
     days. If  we see  cash flow starting  to get  lower and                                                                    
     lower,  in  our  forecasting  tools,  which  we  update                                                                    
     daily, it's  remedied by taking our  borrowing from the                                                                    
     earnings reserve or the budget reserves.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     A   revenue   shortfall    occurs   when   revenue   is                                                                    
     insufficient  to cover  General Fund  appropriations in                                                                    
     any given  fiscal years  when you  have a  deficit. The                                                                    
     legislature  generally  includes language  annually  in                                                                    
     the   operating  budget,   which  appropriates   budget                                                                    
     reserve  funds  for  revenue shortfalls.  Treasury  was                                                                    
     reliant  on  this  appropriation to  authorize  use  of                                                                    
     budget   reserve   funds   to  address   both   revenue                                                                    
     shortfalls  and  the  cash flow  time  mismatches.  The                                                                    
     Constitutional  Budget  Reserve  Fund (CBRF)  has  been                                                                    
     used to cover  revenue shortfalls historically although                                                                    
     the Statutory Budget Reserve has  also been used in the                                                                    
     past.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:12:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary moved to slide 9 titled "Cash Management in                                                                           
Action" and provided prepared remarks:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The  graph shows  forecasted and  actual  cash for  the                                                                    
     first  half of  this fiscal  year 26.  This is  updated                                                                    
     daily  after the  Cash Management  team works  with the                                                                    
     departments  and   analyzes  all  of   the  anticipated                                                                    
     payments  and incoming  revenue  for  any changes  they                                                                    
     expect  to  the  forecast.  For  example,  if  the  tax                                                                    
     department knows  its oil revenue forecast  or cannabis                                                                    
     cash  is going  to be  different than  anticipated, the                                                                    
     tax department  will let us  know so we can  update our                                                                    
     cash forecast  and that gets  built into  this diagram.                                                                    
     Another example,  which actually  happened a  few years                                                                    
     back when  there was a  decision to pay  Permanent Fund                                                                    
     Dividends  a little  bit earlier  than had  planned, we                                                                    
     hadn't made  a cash call, and  so we had to  change our                                                                    
     cash  call plans.  Sometimes  we're anticipating  funds                                                                    
     that  just don't  come  in, such  as  when the  federal                                                                    
     government announced it was going  to shut down certain                                                                    
     payments  or if  federal dollars  are taking  longer to                                                                    
     show  up as  reimbursements. The  Cash Management  team                                                                    
     has  to  be  responsive  and  readily  react  to  these                                                                    
     scenarios and they do so on a daily basis.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Now that  the Earnings  Reserve Account is  our primary                                                                    
     tool in addressing cash deficits,  at the start of each                                                                    
     year we  create an expected  ERA draw and we  work with                                                                    
     the Permanent Fund  Corporation to come up  with a plan                                                                    
     that works  for them as well  as our cash means  and it                                                                    
     seeks to  maximize investments of the  earnings reserve                                                                    
     and  not go  below  our $400  million threshold.  We've                                                                    
     increased the  number of  draws in  the past  couple of                                                                    
     years   to  provide   greater  flexibility   and  known                                                                    
     liquidity needs. We will have  made 61 draws at the end                                                                    
     of this fiscal year  from the earnings reserve totaling                                                                    
     $26 billion  over the  last eight  years. We've  had to                                                                    
     revise our schedules  from time to time  but maybe only                                                                    
     a   couple   of  times   per   year   due  to   unknown                                                                    
     circumstances.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan looked  at the diagram on  slide 9 and                                                                    
observed there was  a dramatic dip on August 11  and 12. She                                                                    
could  not  tell  what  caused  the dip.  She  asked  if  it                                                                    
required the  draw of a cash  reserve or if the  rebound was                                                                    
fast  enough that  the problem  was  resolved the  following                                                                    
day. She  thought the date at  the time of the  federal shut                                                                    
down and transfer.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary answered  that it was a planned  dip and recovery.                                                                    
She  explained that  it was  generally  shown separately  on                                                                    
different  days  and she  thought  it  was in  the  opposite                                                                    
direction the  previous year. She believed  it reflected the                                                                    
preparation  of   making  the  transfer  of   dividend  fund                                                                    
balances  from  the General  Fund  into  the Permanent  Fund                                                                    
Dividend fund.  The money  had been called  on the  next day                                                                    
and  on an  accounting basis  it all  happened at  once. The                                                                    
cash never  actually physically dipped below  the threshold.                                                                    
She elaborated  that there was background  data that allowed                                                                    
the  division  to  aggregate  and show  how  the  money  was                                                                    
moving.  She shared  that it  was  helpful for  her and  the                                                                    
investment team to have a visual on where cash would be.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  asked  for  verification  that  even                                                                    
though it  looked dramatic  in the  slide, it  was something                                                                    
that occurred annually when moving  money in preparation for                                                                    
distributing PFD  checks. She stated her  understanding that                                                                    
the transfer  was scheduled and  did not reflect  a surprise                                                                    
to the division.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Leary  replied   affirmatively.  She   explained  that                                                                    
sometimes  there was  a direct  payment  into the  Permanent                                                                    
Fund Dividend  fund and  it did not  go through  the General                                                                    
Fund, but that was unusual.  She confirmed that the transfer                                                                    
was normal and part of the process.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:17:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary   continued  reviewing  slide  9   with  prepared                                                                    
remarks:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     The last item on  this slide highlights the integration                                                                    
     of  our  cash  investment  teams. Every  day  based  on                                                                    
     forecasts  and  planned  cash  flows,  Cash  Management                                                                    
     projects cash  expected to be available  for investment                                                                    
     and works  with our Portfolio  team to ensure  that all                                                                    
     expected funds  are fully invested. Cash  Management is                                                                    
     a small  but mighty team  with a big  impact throughout                                                                    
     the state and they do a great job.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:18:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ZACH  HANNA, CHIEF  INVESTMENT  OFFICER, TREASURY  DIVISION,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE,  turned to slide 11  and reviewed the                                                                    
Treasury investment process with prepared remarks:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Page 11 is a summary  of the process that Treasury uses                                                                    
     to   set  over   25   investment   policies  for   four                                                                    
     fiduciaries of  the state. The commissioner  of Revenue                                                                    
     is the sole fiduciary for  many of the state funds that                                                                    
     we'll  be  covering  today.  For  the  past  six  years                                                                    
     Treasury has  used a formal state  investment review to                                                                    
     develop and recommend  investment policy. This involves                                                                    
     the commissioner, investment  staff, and an independent                                                                    
     investment  advisory   committee.  We  use   a  similar                                                                    
     process  to  what  we  use  for  the  retirement  board                                                                    
     investments.   We   review    financial   markets   and                                                                    
     performance  for  each  fund  quarterly  and  at  least                                                                    
     annually  we  review  capital  market  assumptions  and                                                                    
     recommend asset classes  and underlying investments. We                                                                    
     go  through  each  fund  to  recommend  an  appropriate                                                                    
     investment policy  and asset allocation  that considers                                                                    
     fund  investment objectives  and  attributes like  time                                                                    
     horizon  and liquidity  needs. All  Treasury investment                                                                    
     recommendations  to  state fiduciaries  are  thoroughly                                                                    
     vetted, they  adhere to state  law, and  are consistent                                                                    
     with  best  investment  practice.  The  full  quarterly                                                                    
     investment review  packets are available online  on our                                                                    
     website (linked in the back  of the presentation in the                                                                    
     appendix).                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:20:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna moved to general capital market performance                                                                           
information on slide 12 titled "Recent Capital Market                                                                           
Performance." He provided prepared remarks:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Over  the past  few years  we've experienced  really an                                                                    
     extraordinary economic cycle. We  went through a global                                                                    
     pandemic  with high  stimulus  and  near zero  interest                                                                    
     rates,  then  markets  faced   a  surge  of  inflation,                                                                    
     followed  by one  of the  fastest interest  rate hiking                                                                    
     cycles  in history.  Today inflation  has moderated  to                                                                    
     more reasonable  levels and over  the last  three years                                                                    
     capital markets have staged a strong rebound.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     As  you can  see in  the  far right  chart, which  rank                                                                    
     orders asset  class returns each year,  performance was                                                                    
     all positive  last year for  2025. It  was led by  a 32                                                                    
     percent return  for international equities and  on down                                                                    
     the list  including 7 percent returns  for fixed income                                                                    
     and  4  percent  for  cash  equivalents.  This  is  the                                                                    
     backdrop  for  the returns  that  we'll  go through  by                                                                    
     asset class and fund.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna turned to slide 13 titled "Treasury Asset Class                                                                       
Performance" and provided prepared remarks:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Page 13 has the performance  for the asset classes that                                                                    
     Treasury  manages  for   state  portfolios.  These  are                                                                    
     commingled  investments   that  we  use   in  different                                                                    
     proportions   to   construct    portfolios   that   are                                                                    
     diversified,  low cost,  and  have  high liquidity.  We                                                                    
     manage over  80 percent  of these funds  internally and                                                                    
     focus  on  delivering  market returns  with  consistent                                                                    
     upside. The top  section of the table on  the right has                                                                    
     the total performance for each  asset class followed by                                                                    
     a section  with benchmark performance and  then finally                                                                    
     a stoplight  section with performance relative  to that                                                                    
     benchmark. As you  can see, returns were  strong in the                                                                    
     top section with  cash and bond returns  ranging from 5                                                                    
     to 8 percent and equities from  2 to 33 percent. In the                                                                    
     bottom  benchmark  relative  section the  returns  were                                                                    
     also strong overall. For state  portfolios, most of the                                                                    
     assets  are in  the  first three  categories from  cash                                                                    
     through  core fixed  income. These  are all  internally                                                                    
     managed  and Treasury  has  produced consistent  excess                                                                    
     returns  over  time and  2025  was  no exception,  with                                                                    
     excess returns  from 24  to 42 basis  points or  .24 to                                                                    
     .42 percent  (a basis point  is one one hundredth  of a                                                                    
     percent). Overall,  strong positive returns  across the                                                                    
     state investment pools, which  we'll go through by fund                                                                    
     shortly.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:22:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked if the 1-year,  3-year, 5-year,                                                                    
7-year, and 10-year  columns on slide 13  were predictive or                                                                    
historic.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hanna   replied  that   the  numbers   were  historical                                                                    
investment  returns  through  12/31/25.  He  turned  to  the                                                                    
Treasury investment  result summary  on slide 14.  The slide                                                                    
summarized  the  overall  investment results  for  the  year                                                                    
across  Treasury  portfolios  and quantified  the  financial                                                                    
impact. He shared  that he and Director Leary  had the honor                                                                    
of working  with a  great team of  professionals who  took a                                                                    
lot of pride  in working to generate strong  results for the                                                                    
state.  Overall, returns  in 2025  were 12.9  percent across                                                                    
all of the funds (all  $58 billion) including retirement and                                                                    
state accounts managed by Treasury.  The returns resulted in                                                                    
$6.7 billion in gains for the calendar year.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  turned to  slide 11. She  shared that                                                                    
the Higher  Education Investment  Fund (HEIF) had  been used                                                                    
to  help balance  the budget  the prior  year. She  remarked                                                                    
that the legislature could have  opted to use CBR funds, but                                                                    
only  if the  will had  been there.  She asked  if HEIF  was                                                                    
doing better than  the CBR in terms of growth.  She asked if                                                                    
any money  had been left on  the table by choosing  the HEIF                                                                    
over another fund source.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hanna replied  that the  presentation  would cover  the                                                                    
fund  in detail.  He  detailed  that HEIF  had  a high  risk                                                                    
profile  and  was heavily  invested  in  equity markets.  He                                                                    
relayed that  equity markets did  well in 2025.  He reported                                                                    
that HEIF had much higher returns than the CBR [in 2025].                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  asked  if   the  decision  may  have                                                                    
resulted  in the  loss of  some funds  that could  have been                                                                    
gained because it was a high earning year.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna agreed.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hanna continued  with slide  14  and provided  prepared                                                                    
remarks:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     The state  funds that we're  going to go  through today                                                                    
     added $658 million in gains  to the state balance sheet                                                                    
     in 2025. That's  strong performance for a  set of lower                                                                    
     risk  portfolios.  The  retirement systems  that  we'll                                                                    
     touch  on last  rank in  the top  third of  peer public                                                                    
     pension plans  generating excess returns over  the past                                                                    
     10  years of  $2  billion  over benchmark  performance,                                                                    
     which    directly    reduces   state    and    employer                                                                    
     contributions.  As we  mentioned, managing  significant                                                                    
     assets  internally allows  for tighter  control results                                                                    
     and material cost savings.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hanna turned  the presentation  over to  Ms. Leary.  He                                                                    
noted that Ms. Leary would  cover the background and history                                                                    
of  each  fund  and  he would  cover  asset  allocation  and                                                                    
performance.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:25:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  addressed the Constitutional Budget  Reserve Fund                                                                    
(CBRF) on slide 16. She  discussed the savings reserve funds                                                                    
reflected  by a  chart showing  invested asset  history. The                                                                    
blue  portion  of  the  chart showed  the  fiscal  year  end                                                                    
balances of the  main CBRF fund. She detailed  that the fund                                                                    
was  used for  liquidity and  revenue volatility  management                                                                    
and  was created  in the  Alaska Constitution  in 1990  when                                                                    
voters approved adding Section 17  to Article 9 of the state                                                                    
constitution.  She  detailed  that   deposits  to  the  fund                                                                    
included all money received by  the state after July 1, 1990                                                                    
through resolution  of disputes about the  amount of certain                                                                    
mineral  related  income.  The  gold section  of  the  chart                                                                    
reflected the  CBRF subaccount,  created by  the legislature                                                                    
in  2000.   In  accordance   with  statute,  money   in  the                                                                    
subaccount was invested to yield  higher returns than in the                                                                    
primary  fund and  was  used  for funds  that  would not  be                                                                    
needed for  at least five  years. In 2008, $4.1  billion was                                                                    
deposited into the  subaccount and was managed  to achieve a                                                                    
higher  return  than  the  main fund.  In  April  2015,  the                                                                    
balance  was  returned   to  the  main  fund   when  it  was                                                                    
determined that the funds would  be needed within that five-                                                                    
year period.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary detailed that the gray  area in the graph on slide                                                                    
16 represented  the Statutory  Budget Reserve  (SBR) created                                                                    
in 1986.  The SBR was part  of the GeFONSI before  and after                                                                    
being managed as  a separate fund from July  2013 to October                                                                    
2015. The  SBR was included in  the graph to reflect  all of                                                                    
the  reserve  accounts.  On  June  30,  2025,  the  invested                                                                    
balance of  the CBRF was $2.9  billion and the SBR  had $149                                                                    
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:27:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna  addressed slide 17 titled  "Constitutional Budget                                                                    
Reserve Fund  Combined Main and  Sub Accounts."  He reported                                                                    
that balances  had been  stable at close  to $3  billion for                                                                    
the past three years, but were  drawn down to $1 billion the                                                                    
prior  two years  through  the pandemic.  The  CBRF was  the                                                                    
state's primary  reserve fund with a  potentially short time                                                                    
horizon.  Treasury  staff  had consistently  recommended  an                                                                    
investment  approach   that  provided  high   liquidity  and                                                                    
principal protection. The slide showed  that at year end the                                                                    
combined  CBRF accounts  were 100  percent invested  in cash                                                                    
equivalents.  Historically,   the  asset   allocation  often                                                                    
included longer term  bonds and a modest  equity exposure at                                                                    
times to enhance earnings  while still protecting principal.                                                                    
He stated that  since yields had remained  elevated for cash                                                                    
investments  and   published  fiscal  information   did  not                                                                    
support a  longer time  horizon, Treasury  staff recommended                                                                    
leaving  the  fund  invested in  cash.  From  a  performance                                                                    
perspective, 2025 was  a good year for  cash investments and                                                                    
the CBRF overall. The one-year  performance was 4.48 percent                                                                    
in excess  of the  benchmark by 20  basis points.  In total,                                                                    
there were $127  million in net gains for  the combined CBRF                                                                    
accounts in 2025.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:29:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  addressed the balances  of the two  GeFONSI funds                                                                    
on slide  18. She  explained that the  General Fund  was the                                                                    
checking account  of the state  where all of the  cash flows                                                                    
went in and out. The fund  had a $400 million minimum. There                                                                    
were  about 185  other accounts  in the  GeFONSI funds  that                                                                    
were  managed together  but  accounted  for separately.  The                                                                    
first GeFONSI was created in 1992  as a way to pool accounts                                                                    
for investment  and the  GeFONSI II was  created in  2018 to                                                                    
target a  slightly higher  risk return for  a subset  of the                                                                    
funds. As  of June 30, 2025,  there was $3.4 billion  in the                                                                    
GeFONSI funds combined. She  noted the presentation appendix                                                                    
included a  list of the top  30 funds that rolled  into each                                                                    
of  the  GeFONSI funds  as  of  the  end of  December  2025.                                                                    
Currently, the General Fund was  the largest of the funds at                                                                    
close to $1.5 billion.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hanna  reviewed  the  investment  information  for  the                                                                    
GeFONSI  funds on  slide 19.  Both GeFONSI  I and  II had  a                                                                    
short  investment horizon  with a  relatively high  need for                                                                    
principal and income protection.  He detailed that GeFONSI I                                                                    
was 85  percent cash equivalents  and 15 percent  short term                                                                    
bonds  and GeFONSI  II had  a modestly  higher risk  with 61                                                                    
percent cash  equivalents, 33 percent short  term bonds, and                                                                    
6  percent equities.  Similar  to the  CBRF,  the funds  had                                                                    
fewer long term  bonds than they have  had historically, but                                                                    
as rates  normalized -  which may happen  in the  current or                                                                    
following year - there may  be some additional risk added to                                                                    
the funds  to increase earnings while  continuing to protect                                                                    
principal. Performance  for the  year was positive  for both                                                                    
funds with  a 4.71 percent return  for GeFONSI I and  a 5.93                                                                    
percent  return for  GeFONSI  II (both  30  basis points  in                                                                    
excess of their benchmarks).  Overall, the total performance                                                                    
resulted in $172 million in gains in 2025.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:31:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  reviewed  the historical  asset  values  of  the                                                                    
Public School Trust Fund (PSTF) on  slide 20. The PSTF had a                                                                    
2025 year-end balance of $911  million. The fund was created                                                                    
in  1978 and  was funded  with one  half of  one percent  of                                                                    
state receipts from the management  of state lands. The fund                                                                    
was  used to  provide  an offset  to  the education  formula                                                                    
funding. In FY  25, the fund contributed $35  million to the                                                                    
Public Education Fund and was  expected to contribute $35 in                                                                    
FY 26 and $37.5 million in FY 27.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna  turned to funds  with a  long time horizon  and a                                                                    
high ability to bear risk,  beginning with PSTF on slide 21.                                                                    
Treasury used a high risk  profile for the fund to inflation                                                                    
proof  it  and  achieve  the  long-term  statutory  spending                                                                    
objective  of  up to  5  percent  of  the last  five  years'                                                                    
average  balance.  The  risk  profile  for  PSTF  and  other                                                                    
similar funds was  set at the risk equivalent  of 70 percent                                                                    
equities  and 30  percent bonds.  He detailed  that Treasury                                                                    
sought to  preserve the  purchasing power  of the  fund over                                                                    
time  through a  combination  of the  investment policy  and                                                                    
spending   recommendations  that   Treasury   made  to   the                                                                    
Department of Education and Early  Development and Office of                                                                    
Management and Budget. Performance over  the past year was a                                                                    
high 17.07  percent, modestly over  the benchmark.  The fund                                                                    
had $141  million in  gains for the  year, which  brought it                                                                    
back to peak assets. The  10-year compound performance was a                                                                    
high 8.6 percent.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:33:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  reviewed the  HEIF  on  slide 22  with  prepared                                                                    
remarks:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     The fund  was capitalized  with $400  million deposited                                                                    
     from  the Alaska  Housing Capital  Corporation and  its                                                                    
     used  to  support  the Alaska  Performance  Scholarship                                                                    
     (APS) awards,  Alaska Advantage Education  Grants (AEG,                                                                    
     and  other  education uses.  Up  to  7 percent  can  be                                                                    
     appropriated for scholarships and  of that amount, two-                                                                    
     thirds  goes  towards  the  APS  awards  and  one-third                                                                    
     towards the  AEG grants. HB 322  established the Higher                                                                    
     Education Fund as  a separate fund as of  June 30, 2022                                                                    
     and HB  148 passed recently, increasing  the amounts of                                                                    
     the  scholarship and  grants.  The balance  as of  June                                                                    
     2025 as  shown on  this slide  was $435  million, which                                                                    
     was reduced by  a $130 million transfer  to the General                                                                    
     Fund at the beginning of FY 2026.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski  considered  the  scenario  that                                                                    
occurred the previous session  where the legislature decided                                                                    
to withdraw $130 million from  the HEIF account. He remarked                                                                    
that  Treasury  had  the  money  invested  in  a  long  term                                                                    
investment that  was generally generating a  high return. He                                                                    
asked if  the division had  discretion to take  funding from                                                                    
another location such as cash  equivalents to avoid spending                                                                    
from an account  that could have made  substantially more if                                                                    
the funds had not been used.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary replied  that  the division  worked  with OMB  in                                                                    
terms of how  to move the money, but because  it was part of                                                                    
the  budget and  how  the legislature  decided  to move  the                                                                    
money,  that  was what  was  moved.  She  stated it  was  an                                                                    
interesting  situation because  it  was essentially  filling                                                                    
the deficit.  The amount of  the deficit had not  been known                                                                    
right away,  and it  took a  bit of  time to  determine what                                                                    
amount should  be transferred.  In the  end, it  was roughly                                                                    
$130 million  that would  fill the  gap. Treasury  staff, as                                                                    
the investors,  were not the  ones pulling the  triggers for                                                                    
the   incoming   and   outgoing   money.   Generally,   that                                                                    
responsibility  went   to  agencies  that  had   been  given                                                                    
appropriation authority,  OMB, and the Division  of Finance.                                                                    
She concluded that Treasury did not have a choice.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:36:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski  imagined Treasury looked  at the                                                                    
"these moves" and wondered why  the legislature had chosen a                                                                    
particular option.  He asked  what was  lost by  making that                                                                    
one move [using funds from HEIF].                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna  replied that they would  have to go back  to look                                                                    
at the date  of the transfer and follow up.  He noted that a                                                                    
rough estimate was  the six-month return of  8.29 percent on                                                                    
slide 23  minus the  CBRF return of  around 2.25  percent. A                                                                    
very rough  approximation was  about 6  percent on  the $130                                                                    
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan asked how  much of the withdrawn funds                                                                    
had grown  back in  the last six  months since  the withdraw                                                                    
had been  made. She  noted that  the balances  provided were                                                                    
annualized  instead  of  fiscal  year making  it  harder  to                                                                    
determine the number.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna  replied that the  fund increased in value  by $61                                                                    
million in the calendar year.  He detailed that for the year                                                                    
the  returns  were ironically  half  and  half. He  did  not                                                                    
recall  exactly how  they  were  apportioned throughout  the                                                                    
year. He estimated  that about half of the  gain occurred in                                                                    
the second half  of the year. He noted that  it was probably                                                                    
slightly  less than  that because  the value  went down.  He                                                                    
could follow up with the precise information.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Hannan  noted   there  was   discussion  of                                                                    
restoring the money  in the supplemental. She  asked about a                                                                    
hypothetical  scenario  where  Mr.   Hanna  was  a  personal                                                                    
advisor  and she  had drawn  the money  out of  a high  risk                                                                    
savings  account.  She  asked  whether  he  would  recommend                                                                    
increasing the  restoration to the amount  of lost earnings.                                                                    
For example,  if she  took $100 million,  but it  could have                                                                    
been  $110 million,  she asked  if she  should restore  $110                                                                    
million. Alternatively, she asked  if the restoration of the                                                                    
original  $100  million  was acceptable  from  a  management                                                                    
perspective.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna replied that it was  a policy call. He stated that                                                                    
when similar  things had  occurred in  the past,  both paths                                                                    
were  taken  at  different  times. At  times  the  principal                                                                    
reduction was restored and at  times the principal reduction                                                                    
and foregone earnings  were restored. He stated  that it was                                                                    
effectively  a budgetary  choice. He  remarked that  markets                                                                    
went up and down and  the recent market performance happened                                                                    
to be a  very strong period that no one  predicted. He noted                                                                    
that  if the  legislature went  down the  path of  restoring                                                                    
funds, additional  market activity would take  place between                                                                    
the  current  day  and  when the  funds  were  restored.  He                                                                    
highlighted that markets could continue  to go up during the                                                                    
time period, but they also could go down.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:40:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Allard  requested   to  receive  information                                                                    
showing the percentages  lost and gained back  [in the HEIF]                                                                    
in an email for the committee.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna agreed.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin was interested  in the information for                                                                    
the CBR  as well  in order  to compare it  to the  HEIF. She                                                                    
wanted to get  a sense if it was the  best choice to balance                                                                    
the budget.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna was happy to  provide the information in an email.                                                                    
He  reviewed HEIF  investment  performance  details for  the                                                                    
year on  slide 23. The fund  had the same high  risk profile                                                                    
as the PSTF  to support the annual  spending on scholarships                                                                    
and other programs.  Unlike the PSTF, the HEIF  did not have                                                                    
a  smoothing mechanism  or inflation  proofing. He  detailed                                                                    
that scholarship spending  was up to 7 percent  of the prior                                                                    
year's   ending  value   in  statute.   The  fund   had  not                                                                    
historically been  inflation proofed. Spending prior  to the                                                                    
$130  million reduction  was roughly  equal  to the  overall                                                                    
cumulative  earnings of  the fund  over time.  The fund  was                                                                    
$400 million at  inception and was roughly the  same size at                                                                    
the  start of  FY 26.  Performance  over the  past year  was                                                                    
strong at  17.08 percent,  in excess  of its  benchmark, and                                                                    
resulted  in  $61  million  in   total  gains.  The  10-year                                                                    
performance   was  8.86   percent,  which   was  well   over                                                                    
expectations; it  had been a  very strong period  of capital                                                                    
market  performance over  the past  10 years.  The challenge                                                                    
for the fund  was that current spending of  over $30 million                                                                    
per year  was already at  the fund's earning  capacity prior                                                                    
to the  $130 million  reduction used  to balance  the budget                                                                    
[in FY  26] and in the  longer term spending and  the fund's                                                                    
capitalization  level   may  need   to  be   reconciled.  He                                                                    
understood  the legislature  would  be  talking with  Alaska                                                                    
Commission on Postsecondary  Education (ACPE) about expected                                                                    
spending for  the various programs  the fund  supported over                                                                    
time  and  it likely  could  be  factored  in as  well  when                                                                    
considering  recapitalizing the  fund or  what the  fund may                                                                    
look like  over the long  term depending on how  the program                                                                    
spent the principal of the fund.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:43:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  recalled that about five  years back the                                                                    
fund was entirely swept into  the CBR and not reverse swept.                                                                    
He stated  that the  governor wanted  to replenish  the fund                                                                    
with the CBR (there was no  other source to do so). He noted                                                                    
that although it  had taken years, in a  limited respect, it                                                                    
would be a return of the capital back to HEIF.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna  replied affirmatively.  He stated  it would  be a                                                                    
return of the principal reduction that took place in FY 26.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson asked  for  verification  that when  the                                                                    
fund had been restored to just  under what it had been prior                                                                    
to the  sweep the  funds were  new and  not merely  a return                                                                    
from  the CBR.  He asked  if  it was  true that  - over  his                                                                    
objection -  the CBR  had been enriched  by the  sweeping of                                                                    
HEIF.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna replied that he  may have answered incorrectly. He                                                                    
stated that  HEIF was  swept around  2020. He  believed that                                                                    
when   the   fund   was   replenished   it   included   some                                                                    
approximation of  the foregone earnings. He  would follow up                                                                    
with precise detail about what transpired.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  opined that in almost  an elementary way                                                                    
there  was  a  righteousness   in  using  swept  dollars  to                                                                    
replenish HEIF  because at least  $130 million of  the funds                                                                    
had originally come from HEIF.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna answered  that the HEIF funds had  been swept into                                                                    
the  CBR and  it  was  replenished from  the  CBR. He  would                                                                    
follow up on the details.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary added that the $130  million went from the HEIF to                                                                    
the General Fund. The request  in the FY 26 supplemental was                                                                    
to replenish the funds from the CBR.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:47:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  clarified that  he was saying  there was                                                                    
some logic in  replenishing the HEIF from the  source it was                                                                    
swept  to. He  stated  that  there was  a  fairness in  that                                                                    
action.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary addressed the  Public Employees' Retirement System                                                                    
(PERS)  and Teachers'  Retirement System  (TRS) pension  and                                                                    
health defined  benefit (DB)  plans on  slide 24.  She noted                                                                    
that PERS was  shown in blue in the graph  and TRS was shown                                                                    
in yellow. The  four funds totaled $32.3 billion  at the end                                                                    
of June  30 and  as closed funds,  the defined  benefit (DB)                                                                    
plans  currently experience  net  withdrawals annually.  The                                                                    
ARMB  was  the fund  fiduciary  and  was comprised  of  nine                                                                    
trustees (two  from PERS, two  from TRS,  two commissioners,                                                                    
two public  representatives, and  one finance  officer). For                                                                    
2025 investment returns  for the funds were  just over 10.11                                                                    
percent  and the  40-year average  return  for PERS/TRS  was                                                                    
8.51  percent,  which  compared  favorably  to  the  overall                                                                    
actuarial assumed rate during that period of 8.17 percent.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Hanna  reviewed the  DB retirement  assets on  slide 25.                                                                    
The ARMB  was Treasury's  largest client and  represented 83                                                                    
percent  of Treasury  assets under  management. The  systems                                                                    
had a more  complex asset allocation because  they were long                                                                    
term funds  with a  long term  fiduciary board.  The systems                                                                    
had  meaningful  allocations   to  less  liquid  alternative                                                                    
investments  like private  equity,  private  debt, and  real                                                                    
assets. The  current asset allocation was  42 percent public                                                                    
equities,   24  percent   fixed  income,   and  34   percent                                                                    
alternative investments.  He relayed  that returns  had been                                                                    
strong.  Treasury  focused on  longer  term  returns in  the                                                                    
portfolio   because    having   material    allocations   to                                                                    
alternatives could  make shorter term  comparisons difficult                                                                    
or  misleading. The  10-year  return  through September  30,                                                                    
2025 was  9.1 percent,  which was 27  basis points  over the                                                                    
benchmark  and  well  in  excess   of  the  current  assumed                                                                    
actuarial return of 7.25 percent.  Part of the excess return                                                                    
could  be  attributed  to   ARMB's  intentional  lower  cost                                                                    
approach that  emphasized internal management. He  shared it                                                                    
led to  costs that  were roughly 30  percent lower  than the                                                                    
median peer, saving over $30  million per year consistently,                                                                    
which went directly to the  bottom line. He highlighted that                                                                    
performance was  in the top  third of returns  when compared                                                                    
to  peers,  better than  over  65  percent of  other  public                                                                    
pension  systems. Overall,  strong returns  for ARMB  made a                                                                    
meaningful  contribution to  retirement  assets and  reduced                                                                    
the need  for higher  state contributions. He  concluded the                                                                    
presentation and was happy to answer any questions.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:50:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson remarked that  ARMB was seeking something                                                                    
like  $34 million  more than  the governor  proposed in  his                                                                    
budget. He  asked for any  guidance on what  the legislature                                                                    
should  do or  what model  to use.  He understood  they were                                                                    
using  different   models.  He   remarked  that   there  was                                                                    
criticism  historically  that  the legislature  did  not  do                                                                    
enough to pay down the fund liability.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Hanna  responded  that  the   question  would  be  best                                                                    
addressed by  the actuaries and  the Division  of Retirement                                                                    
and  Benefits  (DRB)  when  they  came  to  present  to  the                                                                    
committee.  He explained  that Treasury's  focus was  on the                                                                    
investment  of  the  assets  for  the  pension  system.  The                                                                    
division  staff  worked with  ARMB  and  were staff  to  the                                                                    
board; therefore,  they were aware of  the liability payment                                                                    
stream on the actuarial side.  He stated that the difference                                                                    
between what  ARMB recommended and  what was built  into the                                                                    
budget  was  a   difference  in  how  the   debt  was  being                                                                    
amortized. He detailed that ARMB  had taken recent action to                                                                    
reduce the  amortization period from  25 years to  15 years,                                                                    
which increased cost in the  short term over what would have                                                                    
been  paid  had  the  amortization period  been  longer.  He                                                                    
stated that  a portion of  the budget  was built on  the 25-                                                                    
year period. He  encouraged the committee to  delve into the                                                                    
subject when it talked with actuaries or DRB.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster thanked the presenters and reviewed the                                                                         
schedule for the following meeting.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:53:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 2:53 p.m.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
H.FIN DOR Savings Accounts and Cash Flow Presentation 01.30.26.pdf HFIN 1/30/2026 1:30:00 PM
DOR Response to H.FIN questions Savings Presentation 1.30.26.pdf HFIN 1/30/2026 1:30:00 PM