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01/29/2026 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:32:45 PM Start
01:34:14 PM SB64
02:09:19 PM Overview: Overview: Governor's Fy27 Budget by the Legislative Finance Division
03:17:01 PM Adjourn
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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     January 29, 2026                                                                                           
                         1:32 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:32:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                      
to order at 1:32 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Andy Josephson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Calvin Schrage, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Jamie Allard                                                                                                     
Representative Jeremy Bynum                                                                                                     
Representative Alyse Galvin                                                                                                     
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Elexie Moore                                                                                                     
Representative Will Stapp                                                                                                       
Representative Frank Tomaszewski                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Nellie Unangiq Jimmie                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Brodie Anderson, Staff, Representative Neal Foster; David                                                                       
Dunsmore, Staff, Senator Bill Wielechowski; Representative                                                                      
Sarah Vance; Representative Justin Ruffridge.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CSSB 64(FIN) am                                                                                                                 
          ELECTIONS                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     CSSB 64(FIN) am was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                        
     further consideration.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster reviewed the meeting agenda.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 64(FIN) am                                                                                             
     "An  Act relating  to  elections;  relating to  voters;                                                                    
     relating  to voting;  relating  to voter  registration;                                                                    
     relating  to election  administration; relating  to the                                                                    
     Alaska Public Offices  Commission; relating to campaign                                                                    
     contributions;  relating  to  the  crimes  of  unlawful                                                                    
     interference with voting in  the first degree, unlawful                                                                    
     interference  with an  election, and  election official                                                                    
     misconduct;    relating   to    synthetic   media    in                                                                    
     electioneering  communications;  relating  to  campaign                                                                    
     signs;  relating  to  voter registration  on  permanent                                                                    
     fund   dividend    applications;   relating    to   the                                                                    
     Redistricting  Board; relating  to  the  duties of  the                                                                    
     commissioner   of  revenue;   and   providing  for   an                                                                    
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:34:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Schrage MOVED  to ADOPT  the  CS for  SB 64,  Work                                                                    
Draft 34-LS0153\U, Dunmire, 1/28/26 (copy on file).                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:34:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster OBJECTED for discussion.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Allard OBJECTED.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  asked his staff  to outline the  changes in                                                                    
the committee substitute (CS).                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:35:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRODIE   ANDERSON,   STAFF,  REPRESENTATIVE   NEAL   FOSTER,                                                                    
reviewed the  changes in  the CS. He  explained that  the CS                                                                    
removed  more  sections from  the  bill  than it  added.  He                                                                    
stated that  every member had  been provided with  a redline                                                                    
version  of the  CS  (copy on  file)  comparing the  version                                                                    
currently before  the committee, version  34-LS0153\L.A., to                                                                    
the  proposed version  34-LS0153\U.  He  explained that  the                                                                    
removed sections appeared  in blue in the  document and were                                                                    
struck  through.  He stated  that  he  would reference  both                                                                    
removed sections and sections  that were modified from prior                                                                    
versions.  He  clarified  that  any  section  that  was  not                                                                    
discussed reflected language  that had appeared consistently                                                                    
in prior iterations of the bill.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Anderson stated  that  the title  had  been amended  to                                                                    
reflect the changes in the  new version and the remainder of                                                                    
the CS had been renumbered  to account for removed sections.                                                                    
He explained that former Section  1 had addressed changes to                                                                    
residency requirements  and had  been removed.  He continued                                                                    
to new Section  4, which revised the  applicable timeline to                                                                    
28  months.  He noted  that  prior  versions had  referenced                                                                    
either two  general elections or  two years. He  stated that                                                                    
the section also removed hunting and fishing licenses, out-                                                                     
of-state tuition,  and physical  residence from the  list of                                                                    
disqualifiers  used for  voter  list  maintenance and  voter                                                                    
roll cleanup.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum asked  how  Mr.  Anderson was  walking                                                                    
through the documents.  He stated that he  was attempting to                                                                    
follow  along   using  multiple  materials,   including  the                                                                    
redline  document, the  proposed  version  U, the  sectional                                                                    
analysis,  and the  prior  version L.A.  He  asked what  the                                                                    
easiest way would be to follow along.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  suggested  that  Mr.  Anderson  slow  down                                                                    
slightly.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Anderson responded that  referencing the redline version                                                                    
would be  the easiest  way for  committee members  to follow                                                                    
along. He stated that he would  slow his pace and allow time                                                                    
for members  to locate  sections. He explained  that removed                                                                    
sections appeared as entire pages  marked in blue and struck                                                                    
through, and  that renumbered  sections were  indicated with                                                                    
strikethroughs and replacement section numbers.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:39:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Anderson   continued  discussing  new  Section   4.  He                                                                    
reiterated  that  the section  revised  the  timeline to  28                                                                    
months  and removed  hunting and  fishing licenses,  out-of-                                                                    
state tuition,  and physical residence as  disqualifiers for                                                                    
voter list maintenance. He noted  that references to hunting                                                                    
and  out-of-state   hunting  and   fishing  licenses   as  a                                                                    
disqualifier were removed throughout the entire CS.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Anderson moved to new  Section 6, which revised the time                                                                    
requirement  to  34 months.  The  requirement  had been  the                                                                    
fourth calendar  year in the previous  version. He continued                                                                    
to   new   Section   8,  which   added   additional   review                                                                    
requirements when  the Division  of Elections  (DOE) updated                                                                    
the master voter  registry. He stated that  the review would                                                                    
now   include   information   from  the   Systematic   Alien                                                                    
Verification  for Entitlements  (SAVE)  program, whether  an                                                                    
individual  had  served  on  a jury  in  another  state,  or                                                                    
whether the  individual had  received certain  benefits from                                                                    
another state. He stated that  the section also removed out-                                                                    
of-state  hunting and  fishing licenses  from consideration.                                                                    
He explained  that the section  authorized DOE  to determine                                                                    
when it  could reasonably  establish that an  individual had                                                                    
been out of state.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Anderson addressed the removal  of former Section 10. He                                                                    
explained that the section had  contained an earlier version                                                                    
of  procedures for  canceling voter  registrations. The  new                                                                    
Section 10  retained the prior  addition of  rural community                                                                    
liaisons. He  then addressed the  removal of  former Section                                                                    
13.  He  explained  that   the  removal  eliminated  earlier                                                                    
additions related to poll workers  and observers involved in                                                                    
ballot  counting  at  facilities.   He  stated  that  former                                                                    
Section 14  was also removed.  The section had  required the                                                                    
Alaska  Public  Offices  Commission (APOC)  to  maintain  an                                                                    
office in every Senate district.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Anderson  moved to  new Section  11, which  was commonly                                                                    
referred  to as  the true  source clarification  section. He                                                                    
stated that  a later section  in the bill set  the effective                                                                    
date to January  1, 2027. He relayed that  former Section 18                                                                    
had  been  removed,  which  had  addressed  the  posting  of                                                                    
notices  regarding language  assistance.  He continued  that                                                                    
new Section  14 was  amended to  remove utility  bills, bank                                                                    
statements,  and   government  checks   from  the   list  of                                                                    
acceptable forms of identification.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Anderson stated that former  Section 20 had been removed                                                                    
and  new  Section 15  was  amended,  which together  removed                                                                    
references  to ranked-choice  voting and  preserved existing                                                                    
regulations   for    observers   by    removing   additional                                                                    
requirements  added  in  prior  versions  of  the  bill.  He                                                                    
continued that new Section 17  required all absentee ballots                                                                    
to include a postage-paid  return envelope. The section also                                                                    
removed  the repeal  of the  witness signature  requirement,                                                                    
thereby retaining the witness signature requirement.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:44:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Anderson stated that former  Sections 23 and 24 had been                                                                    
removed.  He explained  that the  removals eliminated  prior                                                                    
changes  related to  candidate  and  campaign observers  and                                                                    
removed  provisions  concerning   risk-limiting  audits.  He                                                                    
stated  that former  Sections  26 through  30  had all  been                                                                    
removed.  He  explained  that  the  sections  had  addressed                                                                    
security measures  for special  needs ballots.  He explained                                                                    
that  amended   Section  18  removed  utility   bills,  bank                                                                    
statements,  and   government  checks   from  the   list  of                                                                    
acceptable forms of identification.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan asked  which  page  Mr. Anderson  was                                                                    
referring to. She was unable  to locate Section 18 and noted                                                                    
that  she  was on  page  18,  which corresponded  to  former                                                                    
Section  31.  She  thought  it would  be  helpful  for  page                                                                    
numbers   to  be   provided,  particularly   where  multiple                                                                    
sections had been removed.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Anderson responded  that the  drafting was  unusual. He                                                                    
explained  that  on page  15,  line  22, "Sec."  was  added,                                                                    
followed by struck-through text  that continued through page                                                                    
17. He  explained that on page  17, line 26, "18"  was added                                                                    
and  marked  the  beginning of  Section  18  [the  additions                                                                    
together  forming  Sec.18].  He   explained  that  the  bill                                                                    
continued  removing previously  referenced items  until page                                                                    
18,  line  16,  after  which the  remainder  of  Section  18                                                                    
appeared.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan asked  for confirmation  that Section                                                                    
18 effectively  began on page  18, line 16, but  its heading                                                                    
was spread across multiple pages.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Anderson responded in the affirmative.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Anderson directed  members to  page 19  of the  redline                                                                    
version.  He explained  that the  removal of  former Section                                                                    
33, beginning on page 19,  line 13, eliminated the provision                                                                    
that had  allowed voters to  remain on  the absentee-by-mail                                                                    
list indefinitely as  long as they cast a  ballot once every                                                                    
four years.  He stated  that pages  20 through  22 contained                                                                    
two new  sections, Sections 22  and 23, which  preserved the                                                                    
process  commonly referred  to  as ballot  curing. He  noted                                                                    
that the redlined portions  showing removals corresponded to                                                                    
former sections  36 and 37.  He explained that  the removals                                                                    
eliminated the tracking barcode  requirement tied to witness                                                                    
signatures  and removed  regulatory requirements  related to                                                                    
ballot challenge review.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Anderson directed  attention to  page 24,  beginning at                                                                    
line 16, which  reflected the removal of  former Section 41.                                                                    
He  explained  that  removing   Section  41  eliminated  the                                                                    
requirement   to  adopt   regulations  governing   drop  box                                                                    
security  standards and  preserved  the existing  regulatory                                                                    
framework.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:49:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Anderson  moved to the bottom  of page 26, line  31, and                                                                    
relayed  that   the  removal  of  Sections   45  through  50                                                                    
collectively eliminated  several requirements.  He explained                                                                    
that  the  removals  eliminated  the  requirement  that  the                                                                    
lieutenant   governor  develop   a  cybersecurity   program,                                                                    
removed  the prohibition  on  undisclosed  use of  synthetic                                                                    
media,  removed the  codification of  the settlement  in the                                                                    
American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU)  of Alaska v. State of                                                                    
Alaska, and removed previous APOC reporting requirements.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Anderson   continued  that  new  Section   29  appeared                                                                    
beginning  on  page  31,  line 27.  He  explained  that  new                                                                    
Section  29,  in  conjunction with  the  removal  of  former                                                                    
sections  51,  52, and  55,  eliminated  all Permanent  Fund                                                                    
Dividend  (PFD) application  requirements related  to voting                                                                    
except for the provision contained  in Section 29. He stated                                                                    
that the  section required the  Department of  Revenue (DOR)                                                                    
to share  voter information gathered from  PFD applications.                                                                    
He  explained  that  prior versions  had  included  numerous                                                                    
regulatory  requirements and  additional provisions  related                                                                    
to  PFD applications  and voting,  which  had been  removed,                                                                    
leaving only the information-sharing requirement.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Anderson  stated that new  Section 31 began on  page 32,                                                                    
line  26, and  was amended  to remove  additional conforming                                                                    
repeals  related to  poll watcher  provisions that  had been                                                                    
included in prior iterations of  the bill. He clarified that                                                                    
the poll watcher regulatory provisions  had been removed. He                                                                    
continued that new Section 34 began  on page 33, line 2, and                                                                    
made  Sections 23  and 24  of the  new version  of the  bill                                                                    
conditional upon both sections taking effect.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Anderson  stated that new  Section 35 began on  page 33,                                                                    
line 27,  and established  an effective  date of  January 1,                                                                    
2027,  for  Section  11.  He   added  that  new  Section  36                                                                    
established  an effective  date  of July  1,  2026, for  the                                                                    
remainder of  the bill. Additional technical  and conforming                                                                    
language  was  included  throughout   the  bill  to  reflect                                                                    
changes made in prior iterations.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  asked  on   which  page  the  postage-paid                                                                    
provision appeared.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Anderson  responded  that  the  postage-paid  provision                                                                    
appeared in  new Section 17,  which was located on  page 14,                                                                    
and continued onto page 15.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster summarized  that, at a high  level, the bill                                                                    
included  ballot  curing,  retained  the  witness  signature                                                                    
requirement,    required   postage-paid    absentee   ballot                                                                    
envelopes, and  maintained the  rural liaison  provision. He                                                                    
asked  whether his  summary accurately  reflected the  major                                                                    
components of the bill.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Anderson  replied   that  Co-Chair   Foster's  summary                                                                    
accurately reflected  the major  changes. He agreed  that it                                                                    
was a  high level synopsis.  He added that the  bill removed                                                                    
several  provisions   that  had  been  debated   in  earlier                                                                    
versions,   including  observer   powers  and   poll  worker                                                                    
provisions.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson asked Mr. Dunsmore  how he would describe                                                                    
the bill at a high level.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:55:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  DUNSMORE, STAFF,  SENATOR  BILL WIELECHOWSKI,  stated                                                                    
that the  version before the  committee had been  pared down                                                                    
from the version  that passed the Senate.  He explained that                                                                    
the bill  focused on election integrity  measures, including                                                                    
ballot  curing,  ballot   tracking,  expediting  voter  roll                                                                    
maintenance, and adding  additional residency indicators. He                                                                    
added  that the  bill  also  included provisions  addressing                                                                    
situations  in  which an  individual  had  voted in  another                                                                    
state, which  could serve  as a  trigger for  initiating the                                                                    
voter  roll   cleanup  process.  The  bill   also  contained                                                                    
provisions  intended  to   expedite  the  certification  and                                                                    
release of election results.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Allard expressed  appreciation for  the bill                                                                    
coming  forward. She  believed members  of the  public would                                                                    
want  her  to "destroy"  the  bill  line-by-line because  it                                                                    
violated  people's constitutional  rights and  discriminated                                                                    
against   individuals   who   did  not   reside   in   rural                                                                    
communities. She asserted  that a vote in favor  of the bill                                                                    
indicated  support for  ranked-choice voting.  The bill  did                                                                    
not  fix elections  and she  disagreed  with the  provisions                                                                    
related  to ballot  curing and  voter  roll cleanup  because                                                                    
they  did  not go  far  enough.  She  relayed that  she  was                                                                    
willing to compromise on some  matters but elections was not                                                                    
one of  them. She stated  that she  wanted the bill  to move                                                                    
forward so that  amendments could be offered  and the public                                                                    
could understand its contents on a line-by-line basis.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Allard  asked whether she could  withdraw her                                                                    
objection.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  responded  that  she  could  withdraw  her                                                                    
objection but noted that his own objection remained.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Allard WITHDREW the OBJECTION.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster relayed  that the  committee would  proceed                                                                    
with  questions.  Once  members  felt  they  had  a  general                                                                    
understanding  of  the bill,  the  committee  would vote  on                                                                    
whether to adopt  the CS. He clarified that  adoption of the                                                                    
CS would place the version  before the committee for further                                                                    
process, including public testimony.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:58:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum  commented  that  there  were  several                                                                    
provisions in the  CS about which he wished  to seek further                                                                    
clarification.  He  asked whether  there  would  be a  later                                                                    
opportunity  to review  the bill  section  by section  after                                                                    
adoption of the CS.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster  confirmed  that  there would  be  a  later                                                                    
opportunity to examine the bill in greater detail.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  commented that his redline  version of                                                                    
the  bill appeared  primarily in  blue rather  than red  and                                                                    
noted  that he  had  not seen  it formatted  in  such a  way                                                                    
before.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski asked  for more information about                                                                    
the postage-paid  provision. He  had heard that  the postage                                                                    
provision had been removed.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Anderson  responded  that  the  postage-paid  provision                                                                    
remained  in  the bill.  He  stated  that the  paid  postage                                                                    
requirement was  listed on page  15, lines 2 through  21. He                                                                    
reiterated  that  the  provision  remained  in  the  current                                                                    
version of the bill.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster WITHDREW the OBJECTION.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
There  being NO  further OBJECTION,  Work Draft  34-LS0153\U                                                                    
was ADOPTED.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CSSB 64(FIN) am was HEARD  and HELD in committee for further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:01:15 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:08:49 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson began chairing the meeting.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW:   OVERVIEW:  GOVERNOR'S   FY27   BUDGET  BY   THE                                                                  
LEGISLATIVE FINANCE DIVISION                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:09:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter resumed  the PowerPoint  presentation from  the                                                                    
House Finance  Committee (HFC) meeting on  January 27, 2026,                                                                    
titled  "Overview  of the  Governor's  FY  27 Budget"  dated                                                                    
January  27,   2026  (copy  on   file.)  He   continued  the                                                                    
presentation on slide  17 and explained that  changes in the                                                                    
FY   27  adjusted   base   included   salary  and   benefits                                                                    
adjustments.  He  explained  that  the  Legislative  Finance                                                                    
Division  (LFD)  included the  items  in  the adjusted  base                                                                    
because  the legislature  could not  pick and  choose salary                                                                    
adjustments,  and because  the decision  was an  up or  down                                                                    
choice by  the legislature.  He stated that  the legislature                                                                    
had the authority to accept  or reject the items. He relayed                                                                    
that it  had been decades  since the legislature  had chosen                                                                    
to  reject an  item,  but it  remained  an available  policy                                                                    
choice.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter reported  that  the  current estimate  included                                                                    
about  $55 million  of unrestricted  general funds  (UGF) in                                                                    
salary adjustments.  He noted that  five unions  remained in                                                                    
negotiations.  The  most  substantial item  was  the  health                                                                    
insurance rate  for AlaskaCare and certain  union trusts. He                                                                    
relayed  that  the  state  as  an  employer  paid  the  full                                                                    
actuarial cost  for the Public Employees'  Retirement System                                                                    
(PERS),  unlike other  employers that  had a  cap. He  noted                                                                    
that  when that  rate  increased, the  state  paid more  for                                                                    
state employees.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter added  that cost  of living  adjustments (COLA)                                                                    
had been  negotiated as  well. He  explained that  many were                                                                    
based on an  inflationary figure of 2.5 percent  and one was                                                                    
based on a 3 percent  figure. He stated that several current                                                                    
contracts tied  the FY 27  COLA to inflation  thresholds and                                                                    
many contracts  reached the threshold  that resulted  in the                                                                    
2.5   percent  adjustment,   which  matched   the  inflation                                                                    
assumption. He reported that the  total impact of salary and                                                                    
benefits  adjustments was  $111 million.  He noted  that the                                                                    
five unions that remained  outstanding were not particularly                                                                    
large  unions  compared  to  the   prior  year.  The  unions                                                                    
included   correctional  officers,   public  safety,   state                                                                    
troopers,  and wildlife  troopers, which  sometimes received                                                                    
increases   that  were   higher   than   inflation  due   to                                                                    
recruitment concerns.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson relayed  that he had met  with staff from                                                                    
the university earlier  that day. The staff  had shared with                                                                    
him that the regents were  calling for $15 million in salary                                                                    
adjustments,  but   the  governor  had  included   about  $6                                                                    
million. He asked whether the numbers were accurate.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  that the  numbers  were correct.  He                                                                    
explained  that the  governor did  not  include funding  for                                                                    
non-covered  employees  and  the legislature  also  did  not                                                                    
include  that  funding  the   prior  year.  The  non-covered                                                                    
employees  would not  receive  funding  for two  consecutive                                                                    
years if  the approach continued.   He noted that  there was                                                                    
about $7 million in total  funds, but that there was nothing                                                                    
designated for the non-covered employees.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson asked  whether the  governor recommended                                                                    
that  the university  system authorize  what  it wanted  and                                                                    
find   resources  to   bring  parity   to  the   non-covered                                                                    
employees.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  in the  affirmative. He  stated that                                                                    
the legislature  had chosen  not to  fund the  increases the                                                                    
prior year and  not to provide increases  to the non-covered                                                                    
employees.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked for more information  about the                                                                    
disparity between  the regents'  request of $15  million and                                                                    
the budget's $6 million.  She thought the difference related                                                                    
to the non-union  staff. She asked if it  could be concluded                                                                    
that there  were more non-union employees  at the university                                                                    
than employees in all union units.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  replied  that  he was  not  confident  in  the                                                                    
numbers off the top of his  head but he would follow up with                                                                    
the information.  He explained that  it was possible  he had                                                                    
included  the health  insurance  for the  university in  the                                                                    
same  bucket and  that the  real total  could be  higher. He                                                                    
would verify  the information and  follow up because  he did                                                                    
not want to speculate on the record.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  commented that she had  heard similar                                                                    
comments from the university as  Co-Chair Josephson. She was                                                                    
trying to understand why the  difference was so large if all                                                                    
staff  were  funded.  She wondered  whether  the  difference                                                                    
included union administration.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:14:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski asked if  the union employees had                                                                    
received an increase the prior  year. He understood that the                                                                    
university had  provided something for the  non-union group.                                                                    
He asked whether his understanding was correct.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  that  he was  trying  to recall  the                                                                    
answer from the mid-year status  report. He thought that the                                                                    
university had found  funds, but he would  verify and follow                                                                    
up with the committee.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Bynum  relayed   that  he   often  received                                                                    
questions about  how the legislature  dealt with  the budget                                                                    
and what funds were approved  and what funds the legislature                                                                    
had  control  over.  He  noted  that  union  contracts  were                                                                    
negotiated  and approved  through the  executive branch  and                                                                    
the university  and the associated dollar  amounts were then                                                                    
incorporated   into   the    budget.   Contrastingly,   non-                                                                    
represented  employees   depended  on  the   legislature  to                                                                    
appropriate additional  funds requested by the  executive or                                                                    
the  university in  order to  receive  wage adjustments.  He                                                                    
asked Mr. Painter  to clarify the process  for approving and                                                                    
funding  union contracts  and to  explain the  legislature's                                                                    
obligation to fund the contracts.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  replied that the legislature  had delegated the                                                                    
authority to negotiate  collective bargaining agreements for                                                                    
covered employees to the  Department of Administration (DOA)                                                                    
and, in  the case of  university unions, to  the university.                                                                    
He explained  that once the agreements  were negotiated, the                                                                    
agreements  were brought  before the  legislature. He  noted                                                                    
that  the   court  had  ruled   that  partially   funding  a                                                                    
negotiated  contract  was  equivalent to  defunding  it.  He                                                                    
explained that  the budget contained language  that asserted                                                                    
that  the  legislature  approved  a  contract  by  including                                                                    
funding for the contract. He  stated that if the legislature                                                                    
did  not  wish to  approve  a  contract,  it would  need  to                                                                    
exclude  the  funding  and  remove  the  contract  from  the                                                                    
language.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter explained that for  non-covered employees in the                                                                    
executive, legislative, and  judicial branches, compensation                                                                    
was governed by a statutory  salary schedule. He stated that                                                                    
the  current schedule  matched the  supervisory  unit for  a                                                                    
three-year  period  corresponding  to  the  length  of  that                                                                    
unit's  contract. He  explained that  because the  pay scale                                                                    
was set in  statute, if funding were  not provided, agencies                                                                    
would  still  be  obligated to  comply  with  the  statutory                                                                    
salary   schedule  and   would  need   to  find   the  funds                                                                    
internally.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter relayed  that the  situation  differed for  the                                                                    
university   and   for   state  corporations   because   the                                                                    
compensation  structures   were  not  set  in   statute.  He                                                                    
explained  that  the board  of  regents  or other  governing                                                                    
boards  could determine  salaries, but  without appropriated                                                                    
resources, the boards might  decline to implement increases.                                                                    
For example,  the Alaska Housing Finance  Corporation (AHFC)                                                                    
board  chose to  make  the salary  increases  and the  state                                                                    
provided the appropriation  to do so. He  clarified that the                                                                    
process was not automatic and it was slightly disconnected.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum asked  for  confirmation  that when  a                                                                    
collective  bargaining   agreement  had  been   reached  but                                                                    
funding was  not provided, the  result was  effectively that                                                                    
the  agreement had  not  been reached.  He  asked what  that                                                                    
outcome meant for the collective bargaining process.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  replied  that  the  matter  would  essentially                                                                    
return to the "negotiating table."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked if the legislature  could identify                                                                    
and   fund  parity   increases   for  uncovered   university                                                                    
employees  without  a  collective  bargaining  agreement  or                                                                    
contract. He understood  that there was nothing  as a matter                                                                    
of   legislative   prerogative   that  would   prevent   the                                                                    
legislature  from funding  the  increases and  it would  not                                                                    
need a contract to do so.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter confirmed that the  legislature could review the                                                                    
university's  budget request  or "red  book" and  review the                                                                    
requested amounts.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:19:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  remarked  that she  had  also  heard                                                                    
reporting about how the university  managed after it did not                                                                    
receive  funding  for  non-covered  employee  increases  the                                                                    
prior  year. She  had inquired  into  the way  in which  the                                                                    
University   of  Alaska   Anchorage   (UAA)  addressed   the                                                                    
shortfall  and  ensured   that  non-covered  employees  were                                                                    
retained.  She learned  that the  university utilized  funds                                                                    
that  were  originally intended  for  a  project to  upgrade                                                                    
classrooms  that could  not appropriately  seat  all of  the                                                                    
students.  She  relayed  that the  university  had  set  the                                                                    
project  aside in  order to  pay for  non-covered employees.                                                                    
Additionally,   the   university   left   approximately   50                                                                    
positions  vacant, which  meant  fewer  class offerings  and                                                                    
concerns  related to  campus security.  She emphasized  that                                                                    
shifting  funds   to  cover  compensation   adjustments  had                                                                    
broader operational consequences.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  continued to  slide  18,  which presented  the                                                                    
fiscal summary of  the governor's FY 27  budget and included                                                                    
past  information  about FY  26  for  comparison. The  post-                                                                    
transfer  deficit in  FY 26,  before any  supplementals, was                                                                    
approximately $51 million. He  recounted that the governor's                                                                    
supplementals released  on December  11, 2025,  totaled just                                                                    
under $240 million. He added  that an additional $55 million                                                                    
in fire suppression disasters had  been declared but was not                                                                    
yet included  in the  bill. The  result was  a post-transfer                                                                    
deficit of $345.9 million in  FY 26. The figure included the                                                                    
$129.6 million repayment to  the Higher Education Investment                                                                    
Fund  (HEIF),  which was  counted  as  part of  the  deficit                                                                    
because  it would  be drawn  from the  Constitutional Budget                                                                    
Reserve (CBR). He explained that  the figure did not include                                                                    
additional  items  expected  in the  governor's  forthcoming                                                                    
supplemental bill, including  Medicaid and potentially other                                                                    
smaller items.  He indicated that  the FY 26  deficit number                                                                    
would  likely increase  once the  full supplemental  package                                                                    
was introduced.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter continued that  agency operations were virtually                                                                    
flat  in  FY  27  compared  to  FY  26.  He  indicated  that                                                                    
statewide  items and  the capital  budget were  also largely                                                                    
unchanged.  He  identified  the  primary  source  of  growth                                                                    
between  the  two  years  as   the  governor's  proposal  to                                                                    
appropriate  a  full statutory  PFD.  He  observed that  the                                                                    
estimate reflected  in the  presentation was  slightly dated                                                                    
and that  the Alaska  Permanent Fund Corporation  (APFC) had                                                                    
since projected  a somewhat higher  number based  on revenue                                                                    
running  ahead  of forecast  through  December  of 2025.  He                                                                    
clarified that the presentation used  the figure from in the                                                                    
governor's bill.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  stated  that  the FY  27  budget  reflected  a                                                                    
deficit  of   just  over  $1.5   billion,  similar   to  the                                                                    
governor's  proposal in  the prior  year. He  explained that                                                                    
the governor  proposed to  cover both  the FY  26 and  FY 27                                                                    
deficits with draws from the  CBR. He noted that the balance                                                                    
at the  beginning of  FY 26  was estimated  at approximately                                                                    
$3.3  billion,  and  when   projected  new  settlements  and                                                                    
investment revenue  were added,  roughly $3.4  billion would                                                                    
be  available for  FY 26.  He emphasized  that the  combined                                                                    
draws for  FY 26 and FY  27 would consume about  half of the                                                                    
value of the CBR.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  understood that the  governor's position                                                                    
was that there was a  disaster declaration and therefore the                                                                    
governor  could spend  more than  what was  appropriated. He                                                                    
noted  that the  legislature's  position was  that it  still                                                                    
needed  to appropriate  the funds.  However, the  result was                                                                    
similar in  that the same  amount would be  appropriated for                                                                    
the same purpose.  He hoped that the issue  would not become                                                                    
a significant  debate about separation of  powers and become                                                                    
relevant for  generations to come.  He asked if there  was a                                                                    
reason to debate over semantics.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  responded  that  he did  not  think  that  the                                                                    
terminology  was  particularly  significant  from  a  fiscal                                                                    
standpoint. He  highlighted the importance of  the total and                                                                    
ensuring  the total  was properly  accounted  for. He  noted                                                                    
that  the  governor had  included  the  $55 million  in  the                                                                    
fiscal  summary but  not  in the  bill,  which suggested  an                                                                    
effort  to   present  the   most  accurate   fiscal  picture                                                                    
possible. He  remarked that whether  the amount  was treated                                                                    
as  a ratification  or as  a supplemental  appropriation was                                                                    
less  important than  ensuring that  the  fund was  properly                                                                    
capitalized.  He observed  that historically,  ratifications                                                                    
for fire suppression had occurred,  though more recently the                                                                    
practice had been to include  the amounts as appropriations.                                                                    
He  added   that  his  principal   concern  with   the  fire                                                                    
suppression  process  related  more  to the  timing  of  the                                                                    
disaster declaration  than to the fiscal  mechanism used. He                                                                    
noted that  a disaster declaration  was made in  November of                                                                    
2025  when there  were no  fires burning,  which he  did not                                                                    
think adhered to the requirements in statute.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:25:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter explained  that the next few  slides were visual                                                                    
representations of the governor's  budget. He moved to slide                                                                    
19  which contained  a "swoop  graph"  that compared  agency                                                                    
budget sizes in  the FY 26 management plan on  the left with                                                                    
those proposed in the FY  27 governor's budget on the right.                                                                    
He  noted that  most  agency budgets  appeared similar  from                                                                    
year to  year. For  purposes of  the graph,  statewide items                                                                    
and the capital budget were  treated as agencies to maintain                                                                    
clarity and scale within the  graph, with the capital budget                                                                    
of $157 million displayed near the middle of the page.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  explained that LFD  included the  Department of                                                                    
Agriculture in  the comparison  because it  was part  of the                                                                    
governor's budget. The FY 26  amount reflected what had been                                                                    
included  in  the  Division  of Agriculture  in  FY  26.  He                                                                    
indicated that the approach was  intended to maintain parity                                                                    
across the years.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  advanced to slide  20, which  presented another                                                                    
visual representation of the budget  and showed the total FY                                                                    
27  UGF revenue  and  draws across  various categories.  The                                                                    
largest revenue  source in FY  27 was the percent  of market                                                                    
value (POMV)  draw of nearly  $4 billion. He  indicated that                                                                    
the next largest  source in the governor's  proposal was the                                                                    
draw from  the CBR, followed  by petroleum revenue  and non-                                                                    
petroleum   revenue.  He   noted  that   the  chart   helped                                                                    
illustrate  the relative  size of  each  revenue source  and                                                                    
emphasized  that  petroleum revenue  remained  approximately                                                                    
twice the size  of non-petroleum UGF revenue,  even at lower                                                                    
oil prices.  On the expenditure side,  agency operations was                                                                    
the  largest portion  of the  UGF budget  at $4.77  billion,                                                                    
followed by  the governor's  PFD proposal,  statewide items,                                                                    
and the capital budget.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter   moved  to  slide  21   and  addressed  agency                                                                    
operations. He  explained that the  governor's FY  27 agency                                                                    
operations budget  was approximately  $11 million  above the                                                                    
adjusted  base.  He  identified  the  largest  decrease  was                                                                    
within Medicaid. The  FY 26 budget had  included a temporary                                                                    
$10 million increment  for behavioral health rates  in FY 26                                                                    
and FY 27,  but the governor removed the  increment one year                                                                    
early in  FY 27. There  was an  addition of $6.5  million in                                                                    
UGF  in   the  Department   of  Transportation   and  Public                                                                    
Facilities (DOT)  to replace one-time  fund sources  used in                                                                    
FY 26.  He noted that  there was an additional  $1.4 million                                                                    
that appeared to have been  omitted due to a technical error                                                                    
and that was expected to  be addressed in a future revision.                                                                    
He relayed that $5.2 million  in UGF was utilized to replace                                                                    
unavailable  restorative justice  funds.  He explained  that                                                                    
restorative  justice  funds  consisted of  dividend  amounts                                                                    
that ineligible  recipients would not receive  due to felony                                                                    
convictions.  The funds  were used  across several  areas of                                                                    
state  government  and  UGF  was  required  to  replace  the                                                                    
difference  when   the  amount  declined  due   to  a  lower                                                                    
dividend.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter noted that there  was additional funding related                                                                    
to  the  information  technology (IT)  classification  study                                                                    
initiated several years prior.  He explained that the Office                                                                    
of  Management  and  Budget (OMB)  included  amounts  across                                                                    
state agencies for classified employees,  but not for exempt                                                                    
employees.  He indicated  that  similar  adjustments for  IT                                                                    
employees in the  legislature, judiciary, governor's office,                                                                    
and  state  corporations were  not  yet  included but  would                                                                    
likely  be considered  for parity  in the  future. He  noted                                                                    
that the item would appear before most subcommittees.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:29:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson understood  that agency  operations were                                                                    
up, but cuts appeared for other  items, and the net was a $1                                                                    
million difference compared to the previous year.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded that Co-Chair Josephson was correct.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson asked  if Mr.  Painter had  ever seen  a                                                                    
budget with such an absence of a gap.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  that it  was the  closest to  a flat                                                                    
budget he had observed with the $1 million difference.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  proceeded to slide  22 and  addressed statewide                                                                    
items. He  explained that the governor's  proposal was below                                                                    
the  adjusted  base for  statewide  items  and reminded  the                                                                    
committee that the adjusted  base reflected formula updates.                                                                    
He identified  the largest variance  as related to  PERS and                                                                    
Teachers'   Retirement   System  (TRS)   contributions.   He                                                                    
explained  that   the  governor  did  not   fully  fund  the                                                                    
contribution  level  recommended  by the  Alaska  Retirement                                                                    
Management   Board  (ARMB)   for  non-state   employers.  He                                                                    
clarified  that the  governor fully  funded the  recommended                                                                    
rate for the  state as an employer but  selected a different                                                                    
funding approach than what was  recommended by the board for                                                                    
the  state's  on-behalf  payments  to  other  employers.  He                                                                    
explained  that ARMB  had evaluated  around six  options for                                                                    
funding  the retirement  system, ultimately  recommending an                                                                    
approach that  front-loaded payments. He explained  that the                                                                    
governor  selected a  different option  that provided  lower                                                                    
payments in the near term  but would require higher payments                                                                    
in the  future because the  obligations would still  need to                                                                    
be satisfied.  He noted that  the board's  recommendation to                                                                    
front-load payments would reduce total long-term costs.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski  asked what the total  amount was                                                                    
that the board had recommended.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded  that he did not recall  the total but                                                                    
that the  difference between the board's  recommendation and                                                                    
the governor's proposal was  approximately $37.7 million. He                                                                    
noted  that  the total  was  likely  in  the range  of  $250                                                                    
million but he would follow up with the details.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Painter  continued   to  address   school  bond   debt                                                                    
reimbursement.  He  explained  that  the  governor's  FY  27                                                                    
budget fully funded both school  bond debt reimbursement and                                                                    
the  Regional Educational  Attendance Area  (REAA) fund.  In                                                                    
the  prior year,  the legislature  funded  school bond  debt                                                                    
reimbursement  and  REAA  at approximately  75  percent.  He                                                                    
noted  that   the  amount  in  the   governor's  budget  was                                                                    
estimated  and  that  there were  some  municipalities  that                                                                    
planned to go  out for debt. If the  municipalities chose to                                                                    
go  out for  the  debt, the  FY 27  amount  would likely  be                                                                    
unchanged because there was a  slight delay between the vote                                                                    
on the  debt and  when payments would  be due.  He clarified                                                                    
that there  was some  potential that  new debt  could change                                                                    
the amount, but it was unlikely.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  commented that although one  could argue                                                                    
that times  were tougher now  than they were 12  months ago,                                                                    
the governor  vetoed down to  75 percent last year  while he                                                                    
wanted 100 percent in the coming year.                                                                                          
Mr.  Painter responded  that the  governor  only vetoed  the                                                                    
REAA fund  down, but the  legislature funded school  debt at                                                                    
75 percent and  fully funded the REAA fund.  The statute was                                                                    
ambiguous  about  the  timing  because  the  REAA  fund  was                                                                    
supposed to be tied to the  trailing year of school debt. He                                                                    
understood  that the  legislature fully  funded REAA  in the                                                                    
prior year  with the intention  to partially fund it  in the                                                                    
current  year. Conversely,  the  governor  vetoed REAA  last                                                                    
year to match the match in  the same year. He explained that                                                                    
the more typical process was to  match the match in the same                                                                    
year. He suggested that it was an academic debate.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  continued to  discuss the  Community Assistance                                                                    
Fund  (CAF). He  explained that  the legislature  previously                                                                    
funded an  amount sufficient for  a $20 million  payment. In                                                                    
the  governor's  FY  27  proposal,   $14  million  would  be                                                                    
transferred  from the  Power  Cost  Equalization (PCE)  fund                                                                    
with  no  UGF included.  He  stated  that the  amount  would                                                                    
result in approximately $18  million in community assistance                                                                    
payments, which  would be below  the base payment  level and                                                                    
therefore prorated, with no additional per capita payments.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson   observed  that   community  assistance                                                                    
payments  had  been  approximately $90  million  in  earlier                                                                    
years and were now projected at $18 million.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter confirmed that Co-Chair Josephson was correct.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:33:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster asked  whether the $14 million  from the PCE                                                                    
fund  was  standard.  He  understood  that  PCE  funds  were                                                                    
usually distributed to people  in rural Alaska and typically                                                                    
totaled  around   $50  million   per  year.  He   asked  for                                                                    
confirmation that the $14 million  payment was for community                                                                    
assistance.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  that statute  contained a  waterfall                                                                    
provision  allowing  certain PCE  earnings  to  be used  for                                                                    
community  assistance   based  on  available   earnings.  He                                                                    
indicated that  LFD and  OMB disagreed  slightly on  how the                                                                    
statutory waterfall  was paid out.  He suggested  that there                                                                    
should  have been  a statutory  adjustment to  the waterfall                                                                    
calculation when the  PCE fund was moved  under APFC because                                                                    
the  corporation  dealt   with  investment  management  fees                                                                    
differently.  He stated  that  LFD  thought that  management                                                                    
fees of around $12.6 million  should be deducted rather than                                                                    
the $14 million proposed  by the governor's budget. However,                                                                    
it was  subject to appropriation and  statutorily allowable,                                                                    
and the difference was not substantial.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster   commented  that  he  was   aware  of  the                                                                    
waterfall,  but   thought  that  PCE  was   outside  of  the                                                                    
waterfall. He had  not been aware that the  amount was still                                                                    
up for debate.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum thanked  Mr. Painter  for bringing  up                                                                    
the concept  of the  statutory waterfall and  the mechanisms                                                                    
used  to  cascade  unspent funds  into  other  purposes.  He                                                                    
remarked that  he looked forward  to discussing  offline the                                                                    
statutory   structures  that   allowed  the   transfers.  He                                                                    
expressed concern  that the  legislature might  have created                                                                    
mechanisms that  could take  away the  legislature's control                                                                    
of  appropriations  and  make   the  process  automatic.  He                                                                    
suggested  that  it  would  be easy  to  overlook  what  was                                                                    
happening within the process.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter   responded  that  in   the  prior   year,  the                                                                    
legislature  did  not  follow the  statutory  waterfall.  He                                                                    
explained that the legislature instead  funded less than the                                                                    
full statutory  amount from  PCE in order  to free  up funds                                                                    
for other purposes.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:36:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  continued to slide  22 and addressed  the final                                                                    
two  statewide  items:  fire suppression  and  the  Disaster                                                                    
Relief  Fund  (DRF).  He explained  that  neither  item  was                                                                    
governed by a  strict statutory formula. He  stated that the                                                                    
governor's  proposed  fire  suppression amount  matched  the                                                                    
post-veto, pre-supplemental FY 26  level, while the proposed                                                                    
DRF amount  was closer to  the legislature's pre-veto  FY 26                                                                    
level. He relayed that OMB  Director Lacey Sanders indicated                                                                    
that the DRF amount was  based on a ten-year average, though                                                                    
LFD  had not  yet  verified the  calculation. He  emphasized                                                                    
that there was no statutory formula.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  asked  why  the numbers  were  not  yet                                                                    
known.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  that  fire  suppression funding  was                                                                    
inherently uncertain because future  fire activity could not                                                                    
be  predicted. He  noted that  LFD  generally advocated  for                                                                    
funding close  to the  average fire cost  amounts to  try to                                                                    
reduce supplementals.  He relayed  that it was  not possible                                                                    
to  know in  advance whether  a fire  season would  be above                                                                    
average  or below  average. Last  year, the  legislature was                                                                    
concerned that  due to low  snowpack, the fire  season would                                                                    
be above average,  which was indeed the case.  He added that                                                                    
disaster  relief funding  likewise depended  on events  that                                                                    
had not  yet occurred.  He thought that  using past  data to                                                                    
understand  future   unknown  disasters  was   a  reasonable                                                                    
approach.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan asked  if  the  legislature would  be                                                                    
funding the average or 50 percent of the average.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter replied  that OMB  stated that  the DRF  figure                                                                    
represented the ten-year average. He  noted that LFD had not                                                                    
yet  verified  OMB's calculation.  He  added  that the  fire                                                                    
suppression amount  was approximately $27 million  below the                                                                    
recent average and was not a fixed percentage.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  moved  to  slide 23  and  explained  that  the                                                                    
governor's  capital budget  was largely  matching funds  did                                                                    
not  involve   a  significant  amount   of  UGF   for  state                                                                    
priorities. He  explained that  approximately 81  percent of                                                                    
the  capital  budget consisted  of  general  fund match  for                                                                    
federal  dollars, primarily  in federal  highways, aviation,                                                                    
and  the Department  of  Environmental Conservation's  (DEC)                                                                    
Village  Safe  Water  (VSW) program.  He  noted  that  $22.9                                                                    
million of  AHFC's dividends were  directed back to  its own                                                                    
housing  projects,  which  was slightly  below  the  board's                                                                    
recommendation of $28.7 million. He  stated that AHFC had an                                                                    
above average  year of dividends and  the remaining dividend                                                                    
funds would flow to the general fund as UGF revenue.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter explained that the  mental health capital budget                                                                    
included $1.9 million  in UGF, which differed  from the $6.5                                                                    
million  recommended  by  the  Alaska  Mental  Health  Trust                                                                    
Authority   (AMHTA).  He   identified  two   additional  UGF                                                                    
projects in  the Department of  Fish and Game  (DFG) related                                                                    
to salmon initiatives. He noted  there was no funding in the                                                                    
governor's  proposal   for  school  construction   or  major                                                                    
maintenance, and  that $26 million  from the  Alaska Capital                                                                    
Income Fund  (ACIF) was designated for  deferred maintenance                                                                    
on state  facilities. In FY  24, there was $14.6  billion of                                                                    
state facilities  between the state  and the  university and                                                                    
at  least 2  percent  of that  was  ongoing maintenance  and                                                                    
operations and  totaled $292 million.  He added  that school                                                                    
construction  and  major   maintenance  would  be  partially                                                                    
handled through  the School Bond Debt  Reimbursement Program                                                                    
(SBDRP). He explained  that if school districts  went out to                                                                    
bond, some projects would be  handled through the REAA fund,                                                                    
but there were no additional funds for the projects.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:41:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson remarked that  when he thought of bonding                                                                    
for  school construction  major maintenance,  he thought  of                                                                    
"new  stuff." He  asked for  confirmation that  the governor                                                                    
would not be  funding any of the existing  projects and only                                                                    
funding the required amount for new projects.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded in the affirmative.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum observed that each  year he had been in                                                                    
the  legislature, the  capital investment  outside of  match                                                                    
had  remained  minimal.  He thought  that  the  pattern  was                                                                    
concerning. He  asked if the  slide reflected  all available                                                                    
match that the state was trying to obtain.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded in the affirmative.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum restated that  he meant match for which                                                                    
the  state was  eligible  rather than  match  the state  was                                                                    
attempting  to  obtain.  He noted  that  some  agencies  and                                                                    
institutions  had recommendations  for additional  non-match                                                                    
capital investments that were not  funded. He asked if there                                                                    
were recommendations broken down  by department on what each                                                                    
department would  like to see funded.  He asked if it  was a                                                                    
"rule of thumb" that  more capital investment was necessary,                                                                    
but not being made a priority in the budget.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  that LFD  was only  aware of  agency                                                                    
requests when they came from  independent boards or entities                                                                    
that had  publicly available recommendations. He  noted that                                                                    
the judiciary  had submitted  capital project  requests that                                                                    
were  not included  in the  governor's budget  and that  the                                                                    
University  of Alaska  (UA) Board  of Regents  had submitted                                                                    
several capital  requests that  were likewise  not included.                                                                    
He   stated  that   the  items   were   identified  in   the                                                                    
subcommittee   materials.  He   added  that   when  requests                                                                    
originated  within executive  branch agencies,  LFD did  not                                                                    
always  know  what had  been  submitted  to OMB  unless  the                                                                    
agency was independent and publicly disclosed its request.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum  emphasized that the committee  and the                                                                    
House  should  take  a better  look  at  capital  investment                                                                    
statewide. He  believed Alaska had underinvested  in capital                                                                    
needs and  that the underinvestment negatively  affected his                                                                    
community and  all communities across  the state.  He looked                                                                    
forward to debate on the issue.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson observed  that the  governor recommended                                                                    
appropriating   10  percent   of  2   percent  of   deferred                                                                    
maintenance,  which he  thought  was dire.  He referenced  a                                                                    
memo  that had  an  addenda  to it  from  the Former  Alaska                                                                    
Governor  Wally  Hickel  era which  indicated  that  when  a                                                                    
governor  received  the  judiciary's  proposed  budget,  the                                                                    
governor  was expected  to transmit  it  unchanged into  the                                                                    
governor's budget as a preliminary  matter. He asked whether                                                                    
the practice had occurred in the current budget cycle.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  responded  that  the  practice  had  not  been                                                                    
followed  for   the  past  two  years.   He  explained  that                                                                    
historically,  the practice  had  upheld  for the  operating                                                                    
budget but  not the  capital budget. He  stated that  in the                                                                    
current  and prior  year, when  LFD received  the governor's                                                                    
budget, the  division contacted  the judiciary  to determine                                                                    
which requested  items were not  included. He  reported that                                                                    
the   excluded   items   were  listed   in   the   judiciary                                                                    
subcommittee  materials  and  in the  capital  overview.  He                                                                    
clarified that the items did not come through OMB.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson asked  about  the second  bullet on  the                                                                    
slide regarding the AHFC dividends.  He noted that the board                                                                    
recommended a higher dividend amount  than what was proposed                                                                    
in the  governor's budget. He  asked what could  be inferred                                                                    
from the  proposal to spend  less that the  amount requested                                                                    
by the board. He remarked that  that there appeared to be an                                                                    
underlying message that he was not understanding.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:45:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  that AHFC  dividends counted  as UGF                                                                    
and could  be used  for any purpose.  He explained  that the                                                                    
legislature often  appropriated the  dividends back  to AHFC                                                                    
within the  capital budget so  the corporation  could better                                                                    
manage its cash  flow rather than transferring  the funds to                                                                    
the  general fund.  He  noted that  doing  so provided  cost                                                                    
efficiencies because  once transferred to the  general fund,                                                                    
the corporation  could not leverage  the funds  for bonding.                                                                    
He  added  that  the  largest   reduction  within  the  AHFC                                                                    
dividend allocation was to  the homeless assistance program.                                                                    
He stated  that several  AHFC-related items  were identified                                                                    
in the capital  overview for DOR and the  governor chose not                                                                    
to fund the items in order to reduce overall spending.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  advanced to slide  24, which  highlighted items                                                                    
that were known  obligations without a set  timeline of when                                                                    
the funding  would be needed.  The first item  was Medicaid.                                                                    
He explained  that on December  15, 2025, the  Department of                                                                    
Health (DOH) provided a  Medicaid projection indicating that                                                                    
an additional $47.4  million in UGF would be  required in FY                                                                    
27.  He stated  that  the  amount was  not  included in  the                                                                    
governor's  budget due  to timing.  He noted  that in  prior                                                                    
years,  a preliminary  number had  been  included and  later                                                                    
adjusted,   whereas  the   current   approach  omitted   the                                                                    
placeholder  and  relied  on   the  updated  projection.  He                                                                    
thought that  the timing mechanism  was less  important than                                                                    
ensuring the correct amount  was ultimately appropriated. He                                                                    
clarified that  the $47.4 million did  not include potential                                                                    
increases associated with rate rebalancing studies.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter explained  that  DOH had  been  working with  a                                                                    
contractor  to  evaluate  Medicaid rate  methodologies  more                                                                    
comprehensively.   He   noted    that   historically,   rate                                                                    
adjustments   required   broad    changes   across   service                                                                    
categories rather  than targeted changes to  specific rates.                                                                    
For example,  the autism services rates  had been identified                                                                    
as  insufficient   for  providing  necessary   services.  He                                                                    
explained that  under the  prior methodology,  raising rates                                                                    
for  autism   services  would  have  required   raising  all                                                                    
behavioral  health rates,  even  if other  services did  not                                                                    
warrant adjustment. He stated  that the contractor conducted                                                                    
a  more granular  review and  developed recommendations  for                                                                    
rebuilding  rates from  the ground  up. He  noted that  four                                                                    
studies  came  from  the  review  with  recommendations.  He                                                                    
emphasized   that  the   recommendations  did   not  require                                                                    
immediate  or  full  implementation but  represented  policy                                                                    
choices for  legislative consideration.  He noted  that none                                                                    
of  the  recommendations  were  currently  included  in  the                                                                    
governor's  budget. He  advised that  the potential  general                                                                    
fund impact  could total tens  of millions of dollars  in FY                                                                    
27.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  remarked  that his  understanding  from                                                                    
discussions with  DOH was  that the  results of  the studies                                                                    
might  not be  ready in  time  for FY  27. He  asked if  Mr.                                                                    
Painter had different information.                                                                                              
Mr. Painter responded that the studies were available.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Josephson  understood   that  the   studies  from                                                                    
Guidehouse   advisors   were   available,   but   no   final                                                                    
regulations or rulemaking had been done.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded in the  affirmative. He indicated that                                                                    
depending on  timing, some  portion of  implementation could                                                                    
affect FY  27, potentially beginning  in the latter  part of                                                                    
the calendar year, but the impact  was not yet clear and the                                                                    
department  had  not yet  incorporated  the  costs into  the                                                                    
budget.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Painter   continued   to  address   ongoing   employee                                                                    
bargaining.  He  reiterated  that five  unions  remained  in                                                                    
negotiations  and noted  that  while  additional costs  were                                                                    
anticipated,  the remaining  units were  smaller than  those                                                                    
that had negotiated  in the prior year,  and any placeholder                                                                    
amount  would   likely  be  significantly  lower   than  the                                                                    
previous year's  estimate. He next discussed  changes to the                                                                    
Supplemental    Nutrition    Assistance    Program    (SNAP)                                                                    
administrative cost  match. He explained that  under federal                                                                    
legislation  H.R.1,  the  state's required  match  for  SNAP                                                                    
administrative costs  would increase  from 25 percent  to 50                                                                    
percent  beginning in  federal  FY 27.  He  stated that  DOH                                                                    
estimated the  additional state cost at  approximately $10.7                                                                    
million annually.  He noted  that due to  the timing  of the                                                                    
federal  fiscal  year,  the  state impact  in  FY  27  might                                                                    
represent only  three quarters of  the amount.  He confirmed                                                                    
that the increase was not  included in the governor's budget                                                                    
and could appear later in the legislative process.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter continued  that  additional  provisions in  the                                                                    
federal  legislation could  increase  the  workload for  the                                                                    
Division of  Public Assistance (DPA).  He explained  that no                                                                    
new positions  had been  added in  the governor's  budget to                                                                    
address the increased workload.  In the current fiscal year,                                                                    
the  department had  relied on  cross-appropriation transfer                                                                    
authority to move  funds into DPA, but the  practice was not                                                                    
seen  as an  ongoing  solution. He  advised that  additional                                                                    
adjustments  might  be  necessary to  ensure  that  staffing                                                                    
levels were adequate, though no  such changes were currently                                                                    
included in the budget.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter relayed  that he wanted to  ensure the committee                                                                    
was  aware of  the Temporary  Assistance for  Needy Families                                                                    
(TANF)  program.  He  explained  that in  prior  years,  the                                                                    
legislature  had  included multi-year  language  authorizing                                                                    
additional  maintenance  of  effort funding  if  needed.  He                                                                    
stated  that  the  most recent  authorization  had  been  $3                                                                    
million and had  now been fully expended. He  noted that the                                                                    
governor's budget did not replace  the funds and it remained                                                                    
unclear whether a replacement  request would be forthcoming.                                                                    
He  indicated  that funding  would  likely  be necessary  to                                                                    
ensure that TANF met its  maintenance of effort requirement.                                                                    
Over the  previous six years, the  governor's amended budget                                                                    
had  averaged  approximately  $100  million  more  than  the                                                                    
initial December  release of the  budget. He noted  that the                                                                    
Medicaid adjustment alone would  account for roughly half of                                                                    
that amount  in the current  year. He advised  the committee                                                                    
to anticipate that additional items would be forthcoming.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:52:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp  asked  if  it would  be  possible  to                                                                    
estimate  how the  SNAP administrative  cost increase  might                                                                    
change if  the eligibility  provisions that were  expanded a                                                                    
few   years  prior   were  reversed.   He  asked   for  more                                                                    
information  about  the   minimum  eligibility  requirements                                                                    
mandated under federal law.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter asked  if Representative  Stapp  wanted him  to                                                                    
follow  up with  the committee  with the  information or  if                                                                    
Representative Stapp simply wanted to highlight the issue.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  responded that  he wanted  Mr. Painter                                                                    
to follow up with the committee.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter replied that he would follow up.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked for confirmation that  there was a                                                                    
request for  15 additional SNAP eligibility  technicians. He                                                                    
understood that there was a "cavalry" coming.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Painter  responded   that  more   funding  was   being                                                                    
transferred  from other  areas  of the  department for  SNAP                                                                    
technicians.  Much  of  the  funding   was  to  replace  the                                                                    
defunding of the  virtual call center by  the legislature in                                                                    
the  previous  year. He  explained  that  there was  no  new                                                                    
staff, but staff hired to replace call center staff.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson noted that  if the expected supplementals                                                                    
were paid for,  the budget would be out of  balance with the                                                                    
normal cash  flow and the draw  in FY 27, which  would be on                                                                    
top of the deficit.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  confirmed that the  $1.5 billion FY  27 deficit                                                                    
reflected  in the  governor's proposal  did not  include the                                                                    
additional items.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson remarked that he  wanted to set aside the                                                                    
overall deficit  for the  time being.  He clarified  that he                                                                    
was  talking about  an adjusted  base budget.  He asked  for                                                                    
confirmation that the  items on slide 24 were on  top of the                                                                    
base.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded in the affirmative.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:55:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter advanced  to slide  25 and  explained that  the                                                                    
next  section  addressed   "known  unknowns,"  or  potential                                                                    
fiscal  risks not  yet quantified.  He  first addressed  the                                                                    
federal disparity  test under the  K-12 funding  formula. He                                                                    
stated that  the governor's budget  assumed the  state would                                                                    
pass  the disparity  test  for  both FY  26  and  FY 27.  He                                                                    
relayed that  the state had  failed the  FY 26 test  but had                                                                    
filed  an appeal.  He noted  that  it was  unclear when  the                                                                    
appeal would  be resolved  and whether  the state  would win                                                                    
its case. He explained that  the state had not yet submitted                                                                    
the disparity test for FY 27.  If the state failed the test,                                                                    
the additional amount would be  approximately $79 million in                                                                    
FY 26  and $71  million in  FY 27. If  the state  failed the                                                                    
disparity test,  the budget would increase  by those amounts                                                                    
automatically, but no legislative  action would be required.                                                                    
If  there was  a cap  on the  amount, the  legislature could                                                                    
fund projected items and it  could result in a shortfall. He                                                                    
urged members to keep the  issue in mind while balancing the                                                                    
budgets for the next two years.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  continued to address the  Alaska Marine Highway                                                                    
System (AMHS). He  explained that for the  last three years,                                                                    
the  AMHS   budget  had  relied   on  the   Federal  Transit                                                                    
Administration's Rural  Ferry Program (RFP).  Typically, the                                                                    
grant application went  out in the spring and  the award was                                                                    
known by  the fall.  He relayed  that the  grant application                                                                    
for the award relied upon  for the calendar year 2026 budget                                                                    
that had not yet been  released and normally would have been                                                                    
issued the  previous spring. He  explained that  neither DOT                                                                    
nor LFD  knew the reason  for the  delay. He noted  that the                                                                    
award took  several months to  process, and  the legislature                                                                    
might not  know during the  current session how much  of the                                                                    
grant would be  awarded. The state had $5 million  of UGF as                                                                    
a backstop for calendar year  2026, but it was still relying                                                                    
on  nearly  $78 million  of  federal  funding for  AMHS.  He                                                                    
cautioned that the  funding was not guaranteed  if the grant                                                                    
application  did not  come out.  He noted  that the  federal                                                                    
administration  had  withheld  grant applications  at  times                                                                    
which could result in a larger budget hole.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  explained  that   the  governor  had  proposed                                                                    
shifting  to  a multi-year  approach  for  the AMHS  budget.                                                                    
Instead  of continuing  with  calendar  years, the  proposal                                                                    
used multi-year fiscal year budgeting.  He noted that the FY                                                                    
27 through  FY 28 budgets  relied on $83.3 million  from the                                                                    
RFP  fund without  a backstop.  He cautioned  that it  could                                                                    
create budget holes  in FY 26 and FY 27  and the money could                                                                    
run out if  the grant was not awarded.  He acknowledged that                                                                    
the timing was complex.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter noted  one positive  development. He  explained                                                                    
that the  Tustumena replacement,  for which the  final funds                                                                    
had been  appropriated the previous year,  relied on already                                                                    
awarded  capital funds.  He confirmed  that the  project was                                                                    
out to bid and that the money was  in hand, so it was not at                                                                    
risk.  He clarified  that only  the remaining  two years  of                                                                    
funds were uncertain.  He added that even if  the funds were                                                                    
awarded,  the  funds  were  expiring.  He  noted  that  U.S.                                                                    
Congress was  expected to take  up a transportation  bill in                                                                    
the fall of  2026 and suggested that  more information about                                                                    
whether the  grant would continue  would be  made available.                                                                    
He advised  that members should consider  the possibility of                                                                    
a hole in  the budget next year even if  grants were awarded                                                                    
for FY 26 and FY 27.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter relayed  that there  was a  SNAP match  for the                                                                    
program itself,  as Representative Stapp had  alluded to. He                                                                    
explained  that the  match was  based on  the state's  error                                                                    
rate  and would  likely begin  in FY  28, although  a waiver                                                                    
process could delay it. He  stated that the projected amount                                                                    
ranged  between $15  million and  $46 million.  He clarified                                                                    
that the  impact would not  occur until the  following year,                                                                    
but reducing  the error rate  through adequate  staffing was                                                                    
advisable.   He  reiterated   it   was   not  necessary   to                                                                    
appropriate  funds yet,  but he  wanted to  ensure that  the                                                                    
committee was aware of the situation.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:59:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked for clarification that  there were                                                                    
no funds set aside for FY 28.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded  that the PFD POMV  draw had increased                                                                    
by  approximately $200  million in  the current  year, which                                                                    
was  unusually  significant.  He   cautioned  that  such  an                                                                    
increase  would not  recur  in  FY 28.  He  advised that  if                                                                    
balancing the budget  was difficult in the  current year, FY                                                                    
28   likely  would   present  greater   challenges  due   to                                                                    
additional fiscal headwinds and  the absence of a comparable                                                                    
POMV increase.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin remarked  that  the  state needed  to                                                                    
reduce the SNAP error rate to  a 6 percent error rate for FY                                                                    
28. She  noted that the  current error rate was  24 percent,                                                                    
which was an improvement from  the previous 51 percent rate.                                                                    
She acknowledged that prior policy  choices had been made to                                                                    
ensure  Alaskans were  fed. She  expressed  concern that  no                                                                    
additional new  employees were being  added to  support SNAP                                                                    
administration  and  indicated   that  investing  now  could                                                                    
lessen the impact of potential penalties in the future.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  asked if multi-year  receipt authority                                                                    
language could be used to stretch  AMHS funding in FY 26. He                                                                    
asked for  more information about  the "drop dead"  date for                                                                    
FY  26, noting  the difference  between the  federal October                                                                    
fiscal year  and the  state's July 1  fiscal year.  He asked                                                                    
what would  occur if the  money were not  on hand by  July 1                                                                    
and how it would affect ferry system operations.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter responded that  AMHS currently had approximately                                                                    
58  percent  of  its  budget  in  hand.  He  explained  that                                                                    
decisions about  stretching the  budget would  be management                                                                    
and policy  decisions to be made  by DOT. He stated  that if                                                                    
the  department  took  no  action and  the  grant  were  not                                                                    
awarded,  it would  run  out of  money  after expending  its                                                                    
existing  dollars. He  indicated that  the department  could                                                                    
reduce operations, rely on the  expectation of the grant, or                                                                    
seek  additional  appropriations,  but it  could  ultimately                                                                    
face  an  end to  ferry  sailings.  He reiterated  that  the                                                                    
decisions  rested with  DOT and  that  the department  could                                                                    
provide further insight into its planning.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Stapp   understood   that   there   was   a                                                                    
significant delay  in the application and  award process. He                                                                    
asked  if  the  legislature should  consider  taking  action                                                                    
before conference committees occurred.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  that  unless  the grant  application                                                                    
were  released  within  the  next few  weeks,  it  would  be                                                                    
unlikely that the legislature would  know the outcome before                                                                    
the budget  reached conference committee. He  explained that                                                                    
the  policy options  included inserting  a placeholder  item                                                                    
that  could  later  be  removed,  or  declining  to  include                                                                    
funding and  addressing any shortfall  later. He  noted that                                                                    
under  the governor's  proposal, which  shifted to  a fiscal                                                                    
year multi-year  structure beginning  July 1, there  was not                                                                    
necessarily an immediate hole in  the current year. However,                                                                    
if the  grant were  not awarded, the  hole in  the following                                                                    
year would  be larger  because more  of the  available funds                                                                    
would be used in the  current year rather than spread across                                                                    
two  calendar  years.  He acknowledged  that  the  situation                                                                    
involved  complex decisions  and did  not lend  itself to  a                                                                    
simple answer.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp   remarked  that  he  did   not  fully                                                                    
understand how  the proposed budget stretched  FY 26 dollars                                                                    
so far. He observed  that although multi-year language could                                                                    
be used,  the department  would still exhaust  funds without                                                                    
receipt of the federal grant.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:05:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  explained that the  advantage of shifting  to a                                                                    
fiscal  year  multi-year  structure   was  that  instead  of                                                                    
beginning a new  year on January 1, the year  would begin on                                                                    
July  1, thereby  aligning with  the state  fiscal year  and                                                                    
providing additional time before funds were depleted.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  continued that  there was a  year in  which the                                                                    
legislature had  an 18-month AMHS budget.  He explained that                                                                    
the governor's  proposal attempted to use  the earlier shift                                                                    
as  an  advantage  by  again  adjusting  the  structure  and                                                                    
effectively  pushing the  timing back.  However, instead  of                                                                    
the FY 27  to FY 28 proposal funding two  calendar years, it                                                                    
would  effectively  fund  only  FY 27,  thereby  creating  a                                                                    
larger issue in the subsequent year.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan offered a  reminder that AMHS had been                                                                    
moved  to a  calendar year  budget structure.  She clarified                                                                    
that while  the discussion  referenced FY 26,  AMHS operated                                                                    
on   calendar  year   2026  authority   and  therefore   had                                                                    
authorization  to  spend  through December.  She  emphasized                                                                    
that the  federal grant  was not  in place  and had  not yet                                                                    
been  advertised.  She  reported   that  DOT  officials  had                                                                    
planned to be in Washington,  D.C., during the first week of                                                                    
March of  2026 and  hoped for clarity  about the  grant. She                                                                    
noted that historically, the  grant advertisement period had                                                                    
lasted  three  to  four  months, which  meant  that  it  was                                                                    
unlikely that the legislature would  know the outcome before                                                                    
it adjourned.  She expressed concern that  adopting a multi-                                                                    
year approach could stretch  funding further and potentially                                                                    
dig  a larger  hole. She  expressed deep  concern about  the                                                                    
ability  to continue  sailings to  communities if  the grant                                                                    
did not materialize.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked if litigation  might be  an option                                                                    
for  Alaska  if  the  federal funds  were  withheld  for  an                                                                    
unknown reason, as had occurred in other states.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  that  he could  not  answer a  legal                                                                    
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  understood that in other  states, the                                                                    
litigation  involved grants  that had  already been  awarded                                                                    
but not disbursed. In Alaska's  situation, the grant had not                                                                    
yet  been  advertised  and  she thought  that  it  would  be                                                                    
difficult to challenge.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter advanced  to slide 26 and  discussed the longer-                                                                    
term fiscal outlook. He explained  that the graph dated back                                                                    
to FY 14,  which marked the beginning of  the current fiscal                                                                    
era  when  oil prices  declined  in  FY  15. He  noted  that                                                                    
revenue  had decreased  significantly at  that time,  though                                                                    
the  state had  already  been  running a  deficit  in FY  14                                                                    
despite  oil prices  exceeding $100  per barrel.  He relayed                                                                    
that when  the state  adopted the  POMV draw  in FY  19, the                                                                    
annual deceit  decreased from around  $3 billion  to smaller                                                                    
amounts for  several years,  followed by  generally balanced                                                                    
budgets from FY 21 through FY  26 on average. He pointed out                                                                    
that  there had  been  surpluses  in FY  22  and  FY 24  and                                                                    
deficits in other  years, but the state  had overall managed                                                                    
from year  to year. He  described the approach as  a "muddle                                                                    
through" fiscal  plan in which available  revenue determined                                                                    
the size of the capital budget and PFD each year.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter stated  that  agency  operations, adjusted  for                                                                    
inflation,  stood 16.6  percent  below the  FY  15 peak.  He                                                                    
observed that deferred maintenance had  not been funded at a                                                                    
sustainable level  since FY  14 and  that the  statutory PFD                                                                    
had not  been fully funded  in a decade. He  emphasized that                                                                    
the  year-to-year approach  created  uncertainty, with  some                                                                    
years  producing larger  dividends and  capital budgets  and                                                                    
others  producing smaller  ones. He  relayed that  the state                                                                    
had relied on the approach for approximately five years.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:10:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter continued to slide  27 and relayed that that one                                                                    
benefit to the approach had  been that the state had started                                                                    
to  transition   from  drawing  down  savings   accounts  to                                                                    
gradually rebuilding  balances. He  reported that in  FY 14,                                                                    
the CBR and Statutory  Budget Reserve (SBR) together totaled                                                                    
nearly $16 billion. By FY  20, the balances had fallen below                                                                    
$2  billion due  to  significant draws.  He  noted that  the                                                                    
balances  had since  risen above  $3  billion. He  explained                                                                    
that  the improvement  occurred  largely because  investment                                                                    
earnings  had  outpaced  draws and  because  the  state  had                                                                    
experienced a  few years with  significant deposits  tied to                                                                    
surpluses. He highlighted that the  balances were now moving                                                                    
in  a positive  direction. However,  the progress  reflected                                                                    
year-to-year management  rather than a  comprehensive fiscal                                                                    
plan.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter advanced to slide  28 and discussed the Earnings                                                                    
Reserve  Account (ERA)  in relation  to the  POMV. He  noted                                                                    
that because  the POMV draw represented  the state's largest                                                                    
revenue  source, an  ongoing question  was  whether the  ERA                                                                    
would consistently  contain sufficient funds to  support the                                                                    
annual  draw.  He  identified  a  structural  issue  in  the                                                                    
projections:  statutory  net  income was  projected  at  6.2                                                                    
percent, compared to assumed inflation  of 2.5 percent and a                                                                    
POMV draw  of 5  percent. He pointed  out that  the combined                                                                    
draw  and inflation  pressure of  7.5  percent exceeded  the                                                                    
projected   earnings  rate,   which  produced   a  long-term                                                                    
convergence concern.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter explained  that the chart on  the slide compared                                                                    
the  year-end  realized  ERA  balance  on  June  30  to  the                                                                    
following  year's  POMV obligation  on  July  1 from  FY  22                                                                    
through FY 36.  He cautioned that the ERA  balance needed to                                                                    
remain  above  the  following  year's  POMV  draw  to  avoid                                                                    
liquidity  pressure.  He  reported that  the  ERA  currently                                                                    
appeared  healthy at  approximately  $12 billion  in FY  26,                                                                    
partly because the state had  not inflation-proofed in FY 26                                                                    
and  partly because  FY 25  investment performance  exceeded                                                                    
projections.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter relayed that probabilistic  modeling showed a 33                                                                    
percent chance of an insufficient  ERA balance to fully fund                                                                    
the POMV draw over the  next decade assuming full inflation-                                                                    
proofing.   He  noted   that   if  inflation-proofing   were                                                                    
suspended when the  ERA dropped below the  next year's draw,                                                                    
the risk declined  to 24 percent. He added  that the figures                                                                    
represented an  improvement from the prior  year's estimates                                                                    
of 46 percent  and 33 percent, respectively,  largely due to                                                                    
strong  FY  25  earnings   and  the  absence  of  inflation-                                                                    
proofing.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter advanced to slide  29 and reviewed the long-term                                                                    
revenue  outlook.  He  reported  that  DOR's  fall  forecast                                                                    
projected that  oil prices would  grow slightly  slower than                                                                    
inflation  over   the  next  decade.   He  noted   that  oil                                                                    
production was  expected to increase from  just over 500,000                                                                    
barrels per  day in FY  27 to approximately  659,900 barrels                                                                    
per  day  by FY  35.  However,  total  oil revenue  was  not                                                                    
projected  to grow  at the  same pace  because legacy  field                                                                    
production  was  declining  while new  production  generated                                                                    
less  tax   revenue.  He   clarified  that   royalties  were                                                                    
projected to  rise, but production tax  revenue was expected                                                                    
to decline over the forecast period.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter stated that the  Permanent Fund was projected to                                                                    
earn 7.3  percent annually according to  APFC's assumptions,                                                                    
which were  slightly higher than  those in  the department's                                                                    
Revenue  Sources  Book.  He  added  that  LFD  had  adjusted                                                                    
Natural Petroleum Reserve-Alaska  (NPRA) royalties to remove                                                                    
amounts  it   considered  federal   revenue  based   on  the                                                                    
interpretations  made by  Legislative Legal  Services (LLS).                                                                    
He emphasized that  the key takeaway was  that total revenue                                                                    
was projected to  grow roughly at the rate  of inflation. He                                                                    
asserted that without structural  changes, a budget that did                                                                    
not balance in the current  year was unlikely to be balanced                                                                    
in future years.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  continued to  slide 30  and concluded  that the                                                                    
long-term  outlook remained  challenging.  He observed  that                                                                    
the state  had continued  to manage each  year by  not fully                                                                    
funding the statutory PFD and  by underfunding a sustainable                                                                    
capital program.  He reported  that the  governor's ten-year                                                                    
plan  did  not  include  major policy  changes  and  largely                                                                    
maintained  the   existing  deficit.   He  added   that  the                                                                    
governor's fiscal  plan generated about $900  million in new                                                                    
revenue at  peak and  reduced the statutory  PFD to  a 50-50                                                                    
framework  worth roughly  $400  million  annually. He  noted                                                                    
that together,  the changes totaled  about $1.3  billion per                                                                    
year but still  left a remaining deficit.  He explained that                                                                    
the remaining gap was roughly $200 million to $400 million.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  relayed that under the  governor's fiscal plan,                                                                    
some  taxes began  to  phase  out in  the  out years,  which                                                                    
increased the deficit over time.  He noted that the governor                                                                    
also  proposed  a  spending  limit  that  capped  government                                                                    
growth at 1  percent, which was an assumption  that had been                                                                    
incorporated  into  the  remaining   $200  million  to  $400                                                                    
million gap.  He clarified  that LFD had  not yet  seen full                                                                    
modeling from  the administration and that  the estimate was                                                                    
based only on the statutory components introduced to date.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Josephson   asked  for   confirmation   regarding                                                                    
information on slide 24. He  remarked that he had understood                                                                    
the state  might be  able to  forgo the  SNAP administrative                                                                    
cost  increases for  one year.  He asked  whether the  delay                                                                    
option applied  only to  the program  match rather  than the                                                                    
administrative costs.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter replied  that his  understanding  was that  the                                                                    
match  for  the  program  could  be  forgone,  but  not  the                                                                    
administrative costs. He offered to double check.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:16:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson reviewed  the agenda  for the  following                                                                    
day's meeting.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:17:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:17 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 64 CS WorkDraft HFIN v. U 012826.pdf HFIN 1/29/2026 1:30:00 PM
SB 64
SB 64 Comparison of 34-LS0153_L.A and 34-LS0153_U.pdf HFIN 1/29/2026 1:30:00 PM
SB 64
SB 64 Sectional Analysis Version U 1.28.26.pdf HFIN 1/29/2026 1:30:00 PM
SB 64
LFD Budget Overview 012926 Fw_ Log 14155 LFD Request_ Broad-based Categorical SNAP Eligibility and Federal Changes.pdf HFIN 1/29/2026 1:30:00 PM
HB 263
HB 263 HB 264
HB 264
HB 265
LFD Budget Overview Response to HFIN 1-29-26 Meeting.pdf HFIN 1/29/2026 1:30:00 PM
HB 263
HB 264
HB 265