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01/28/2026 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:32:27 PM Start
01:34:15 PM Fy 27 Governor's Budget Overview: Department of Labor and Workforce Development
02:37:52 PM Presentation: Statewide 2026 Jobs Forecast and Unemployment Financing Metrics by the Department of Labor and Workforce Development
03:27:18 PM Adjourn
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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     January 28, 2026                                                                                           
                         1:32 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:32:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  called   the  House  Finance  Committee                                                                    
meeting to order at 1:32 p.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Andy Josephson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Calvin Schrage, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Jamie Allard                                                                                                     
Representative Jeremy Bynum                                                                                                     
Representative Alyse Galvin                                                                                                     
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Elexie Moore                                                                                                     
Representative Will Stapp                                                                                                       
Representative Frank Tomaszewski                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Nellie Unangiq Jimmie                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Cathy   Munoz,  Commissioner,   Department   of  Labor   and                                                                    
Workforce   Development;   Dan   DeBartolo,   Administrative                                                                    
Service   Director,  Department   of  Labor   and  Workforce                                                                    
Development;  Karinne  Wiebold,   Economist,  Department  of                                                                    
Labor  and Workforce  Development; Lennon  Weller, Economist                                                                    
and Actuary, Department of Labor and Workforce Development.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
FY 27  GOVERNOR'S BUDGET OVERVIEW:  DEPARTMENT OF  LABOR AND                                                                    
WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: STATEWIDE 2026  JOBS FORECAST and UNEMPLOYMENT                                                                    
FINANCING METRICS  BY THE DEPARTMENT OF  LABOR and WORKFORCE                                                                    
DEVELOPMENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson reviewed the meeting agenda.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
^FY 27  GOVERNOR'S BUDGET OVERVIEW: DEPARTMENT  OF LABOR AND                                                                  
WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:34:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CATHY   MUNOZ,  COMMISSIONER,   DEPARTMENT   OF  LABOR   AND                                                                    
WORKFORCE  DEVELOPMENT, introduced  herself and  colleagues.                                                                    
She  provided  a   PowerPoint  presentation  titled  "FY2027                                                                    
Department Budget Overview:  House Finance Committee," dated                                                                    
January 28,  2026 (copy on file).  She began on slide  2 and                                                                    
relayed that the department had  seven divisions. There were                                                                    
14  job  centers  under  the   Division  of  Employment  and                                                                    
Training Services  located around the state.  She noted that                                                                    
a  satellite job  center was  recently  opened in  Kotzebue.                                                                    
There  were nine  vocational  rehabilitation client  offices                                                                    
under  the   Division  of  Vocational   Rehabilitation.  The                                                                    
department administered  federal and state  training funding                                                                    
with nine regional  non-state Technical Vocational Education                                                                    
Program  (TVEP)  recipients.  She explained  that  TVEP  was                                                                    
funded through a  share of the employment  security tax. The                                                                    
funds passed  through the department  and the  Department of                                                                    
Labor and  Workforce Development  (DLWD) had  oversight over                                                                    
the  grants.  The department  managed  grants  for 37  State                                                                    
Training  and Employment  Program  (STEP) regional  training                                                                    
provider grantees around the state.  She noted that STEP was                                                                    
also funded with  a portion of the  Employment Security Tax.                                                                    
The  department  administered  funds for  nine  construction                                                                    
academies  around   the  state.  Additionally,   the  Alaska                                                                    
Vocational Technical  Center (AVTEC)  housed under  DLWD was                                                                    
located in Seward.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:37:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Munoz  turned to  slide 3  and addressed  FY 25                                                                    
accomplishments.  The  department  expanded  the  industrial                                                                    
electricity  and plumbing  programs at  AVTEC and  started a                                                                    
new   industrial  machine   and  maintenance   program.  She                                                                    
reported  strong enrollment  above  pre-pandemic levels  for                                                                    
all of the  department's programs and waiting  lists for the                                                                    
most    popular   programs,    especially   in    industrial                                                                    
electricity, plumbing, and welding  areas. She detailed that                                                                    
Dr. Cory Artiz was in his  first year as the AVTEC director.                                                                    
She shared that in the past  year AVTEC was named one of the                                                                    
top  vocational  technical schools  in  the  country by  USA                                                                    
Today. She  highlighted success  in the  Occupational Safety                                                                    
and  Health  (AKOSH)  Diversionary program,  which  was  the                                                                    
first of  its kind  in the nation.  The program  allowed the                                                                    
department to  work through AKOSH  with businesses  that had                                                                    
received  first   time  safety  violations  or   first  time                                                                    
violations  in  the  previous  five  years  to  make  safety                                                                    
improvements to their business and  receive a full waiver of                                                                    
any   financial  penalties.   The  department   believed  it                                                                    
resulted  in  safer  workplaces   in  a  more  collaborative                                                                    
manner.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Munoz continued  reviewing accomplishments  on                                                                    
slide 3. The department  successfully launched the Office of                                                                    
Citizenship   Assistance   (OCA).   She   thanked   Co-Chair                                                                    
Josephson,  Co-Chair Foster,  and Representative  Galvin for                                                                    
attending  the   launch.  The  first  year   had  been  very                                                                    
successful and  the office served over  250 legal immigrants                                                                    
with  employment and  job  training services.  Additionally,                                                                    
the office connected legal  immigrants with digital literacy                                                                    
training and  English conversational language  training. The                                                                    
office could  also do  credential translation,  which helped                                                                    
when individuals  were coming from another  jurisdiction and                                                                    
they   needed  help   translating  their   credentials.  The                                                                    
department  had  been  working   with  the  federal  Refugee                                                                    
Support  Services  to  assume  the  duties  of  the  refugee                                                                    
agency,  which  had  previously  been  handled  by  Catholic                                                                    
Community Services.  The services  would be provided  by OCA                                                                    
going forward.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Munoz continued  to review  accomplishments on                                                                    
slide  3. The  department  was pleased  with  the number  of                                                                    
changes  at  Mechanical  Inspection in  the  Certificate  of                                                                    
Fitness  (COF)  program,  which certified  electricians  and                                                                    
plumbers.  A   number  of   changes  had   been  implemented                                                                    
including  allowing for  comparable  military credit  toward                                                                    
licensure. The  department had  increased reciprocity  to 30                                                                    
states,  allowing it  to accept  licensure from  states with                                                                    
similar  licensure  to  Alaska.   The  department  had  also                                                                    
implemented  provisional  licensing,  which  allowed  it  to                                                                    
accept  an  electrician  or plumbing  license  from  another                                                                    
jurisdiction provisionally  for up  to one year.  The number                                                                    
of  electrical  journeymen  issued certificates  of  fitness                                                                    
increased  substantially to  423 or  a 133  percent increase                                                                    
over  the  previous  year. The  department  had  issued  435                                                                    
electrical trainee licenses, reflecting  a big jump over the                                                                    
previous year.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:42:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Munoz continued  to review  accomplishments on                                                                    
slide 3. She highlighted  the Workers' Compensation Division                                                                    
and  relayed  there  was  great  collaboration  between  the                                                                    
Medical Services  Review Committee and medical  providers to                                                                    
work  to  bring  the  cost   of  medical  services  down  by                                                                    
publishing  an updated  medical services  list annually  for                                                                    
reimbursement  purposes.  Premium  costs for  employers  had                                                                    
decreased  by approximately  38  percent  since 2018.  There                                                                    
were safer  workplaces overall and  a reduction in  the cost                                                                    
of  medical  services  by establishing  an  agreement  about                                                                    
published  services and  what the  division would  reimburse                                                                    
for   the  services.   She   shared   that  the   department                                                                    
implemented SB 206  (a bill sponsored by  Senator Elvi Gray-                                                                    
Jackson),  which  allowed  it  to work  proactively  to  get                                                                    
individuals who  had been injured -  who may not be  able to                                                                    
return to  their previous line of  work, but may be  able to                                                                    
do lighter related work - to  get back to work more quickly.                                                                    
She noted that  the longer an individual  was separated from                                                                    
work,  the  more  likely  they would  never  return  to  the                                                                    
workplace. The reemployment program  called Stay at Work had                                                                    
been successful in getting people back to work sooner.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Munoz  shared   that   moving  forward,   the                                                                    
department was focused on a  training proposal introduced by                                                                    
the governor  in HB  267 and  SB 217.  She detailed  that it                                                                    
would  be  a  major  boost  for  short  term  trainings  and                                                                    
industry  recognized   training  opportunities   around  the                                                                    
state,   supporting  the   regional  training   network  and                                                                    
individual training  support through  job centers.  The 2018                                                                    
gasline workforce plan was being  updated to adapt it to the                                                                    
current project. The  department hoped to get  the report to                                                                    
the legislature by mid to late March at the latest.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:45:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin thanked  the  commissioner for  being                                                                    
present  and appreciated  hearing the  good news.  She asked                                                                    
her  staff to  look  at key  performance  indicators on  the                                                                    
Office  of   Management  and   Budget  (OMB)   website.  She                                                                    
referenced  the AVTEC  program and  understood the  goal was                                                                    
for at least 60 percent  of students to complete the program                                                                    
and  the  current  rate was  about  90  percent.  Similarly,                                                                    
around 90  percent of the  graduates were employed  in their                                                                    
field  of  training.  She  asked   how  many  students  were                                                                    
reflected in the 90 percent.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Munoz  answered that  the longer  programs were                                                                    
between six to  nine months with an enrollment  of about 120                                                                    
students.  Additionally,  there  were  short  term  training                                                                    
opportunities offered  through partnerships  with employers.                                                                    
The  maritime   program  had  a  partnership   with  Trident                                                                    
Seafoods where  training was provided  on campus  during the                                                                    
offseason that allowed students to  work and return to AVTEC                                                                    
over a  period of  time. She estimated  that in  total there                                                                    
were close to 1,000 students.  She offered to follow up with                                                                    
a precise number.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin was happy  with the number provided by                                                                    
Commissioner Munoz.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Tomaszewski  observed   that  the   federal                                                                    
funding received  by the  department in  the amount  of ~$98                                                                    
million  was about  51 percent  of DLWD's  total budget.  He                                                                    
asked  if federal  funds were  increasing or  decreasing. He                                                                    
looked at  slide 2 and  reviewed the number of  job centers,                                                                    
TVEP recipients, STEP  grantees, and construction academies.                                                                    
He asked if there was  an accessible list with more detailed                                                                    
information located somewhere.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Munoz  asked if Representative  Tomaszewski was                                                                    
looking for a list of the  grant recipients or a list of the                                                                    
trainers around the state.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski replied  that he  was interested                                                                    
in both.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Munoz  replied that both were  available. There                                                                    
was a public eligible training  provider list located on the                                                                    
DLWD website  that included all  of the short  term training                                                                    
programs around the state connected  to specific schools and                                                                    
training centers.  Additionally, she would follow  up with a                                                                    
list of STEP and TVEP recipients.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski asked about the federal funding.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DAN DEBARTOLO,  ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICE  DIRECTOR, DEPARTMENT                                                                    
OF  LABOR  AND  WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT,  responded  that  the                                                                    
department's federal  funding was  up 4 percent  overall. He                                                                    
clarified  the department  did not  necessarily realize  the                                                                    
full amount  of federal  funding it  was authorized  for. He                                                                    
offered to provide a breakdown  showing the actuals spent as                                                                    
opposed to budget authority.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Tomaszewski  referenced   the  mention   of                                                                    
Trident  Seafood.  He  asked   if  the  department  received                                                                    
private donations  to help  with training.  He asked  how it                                                                    
worked for a  private company to donate to  the training and                                                                    
helping to  facilitate the advancement of  more construction                                                                    
and maritime positions.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:50:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Munoz  replied  that   Trident  paid  for  the                                                                    
program and  sent a certain  number of students  annually as                                                                    
part of  a multiyear  program. Additionally,  the department                                                                    
received tax  deductible donations  from businesses  for its                                                                    
training programs, which were used in a variety of ways.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp referenced  the AKLNG [gasline project]                                                                    
and   remarked  that   workforce  development   was  a   big                                                                    
challenge. He  was a  bit disappointed that  he did  not see                                                                    
any  movement  in  the proposal  regarding  gearing  up  for                                                                    
workforce  development  needed  to fulfill  jobs  associated                                                                    
with  the project  that  he hoped  would  begin shortly.  He                                                                    
specifically  mentioned  STEP   to  the  Fairbanks  Pipeline                                                                    
Training Center (FPTC). He did  not see the center listed as                                                                    
a STEP  grant recipient. He  remarked that if the  state was                                                                    
serious  about the  project,  it should  be  the number  one                                                                    
priority to devote resources to  the training center because                                                                    
most  of the  workforce  for the  pipeline  would come  from                                                                    
there. He asked for the commissioner's thoughts.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Munoz  answered  that  FPTC  was  a  wonderful                                                                    
facility  that  provided  fantastic short-term  training  in                                                                    
welding and other. The center  was added to the TVEP program                                                                    
the  prior year.  There was  limited STEP  grant funding  of                                                                    
about $6.5  million. The department  had a proposal  for the                                                                    
legislature  to consider  that would  significantly increase                                                                    
the  funding. The  department hoped  the money  would go  to                                                                    
support  programs like  the FPTC  and to  provide individual                                                                    
training support through the job centers.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  stated that  the center  used to  be a                                                                    
hefty recipient of STEP grants.  He saw the proposed funding                                                                    
change   for  STEP   grants,  but   he  was   concerned  the                                                                    
legislature  had  no say  over  the  grant participants.  He                                                                    
stressed that  if AKLNG  was on the  horizon, the  state was                                                                    
facing  a  very  serious   workforce  challenge  that  would                                                                    
require  targeting   the  vast   majority  of   the  state's                                                                    
resources into  pipeline training trade jobs.  Otherwise, he                                                                    
believed  the state  would  miss out  on  capitalizing on  a                                                                    
great opportunity.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Munoz believed FPTC  received over $1.5 million                                                                    
through TVEP and  its previous STEP grant  was $400,000. The                                                                    
center's training funding increased  by over $1.2 million in                                                                    
one year. She relayed that  the department had limited funds                                                                    
and   was  trying   to  ensure   programs  and   individuals                                                                    
throughout the state were benefitting  from the funding. The                                                                    
department had a major proposal  before the legislature that                                                                    
she would  love to talk  to legislators about.  The proposal                                                                    
would  help   and  subsidize  programs  like   the  pipeline                                                                    
training  center. Additionally,  the late  U.S. Senator  Ted                                                                    
Stevens  included a  $20  million  appropriation many  years                                                                    
back  for FPTC  that was  contingent on  a final  investment                                                                    
decision.  She elaborated  that it  was close  to the  point                                                                    
where the  U.S. Secretary of  Labor could release  the funds                                                                    
once the  final green  light on the  project was  given. She                                                                    
stated that the funds would go directly to FPTC.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:55:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson stated  it was fantastic news  he had not                                                                    
been aware  of. He  referenced a  gasline caucus  meeting he                                                                    
attended the previous summer where  the commissioner and her                                                                    
team had presented. He remarked  that the state wanted to do                                                                    
all it could  for current Alaska residents,  but he recalled                                                                    
hearing there would be around  10,000 workers needed for the                                                                    
entire pipeline  project. He  noted that  the state  did not                                                                    
have that  capacity. He believed  it was a fact  there would                                                                    
be many people moving to the state [to do the work].                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Munoz replied  that  the department's  primary                                                                    
focus was on getting Alaskans  trained and employed with the                                                                    
economic  opportunities  on   the  horizon.  The  department                                                                    
recognized it  would be necessary  to import some  labor for                                                                    
the  work. The  department was  looking at  its policies  to                                                                    
ensure there were no barriers  in its certification process.                                                                    
Particularly  related to  electricians and  plumbers because                                                                    
DLWD had  purview over  certification of  those professions.                                                                    
The  department had  done a  number of  things to  encourage                                                                    
easier  certification  for  qualified  workers  to  work  in                                                                    
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Hannan   referenced  Commissioner   Munoz's                                                                    
mention of  industrial electricians and plumbers.  She asked                                                                    
for  verification  that  AVTEC  still  produced  residential                                                                    
plumber and electrician certifications.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Munoz answered  that  a  plumbing pathway  for                                                                    
certification  was 4,000  hours  for  residential and  8,000                                                                    
hours  for   commercial.  She  noted  it   was  a  four-year                                                                    
apprenticeship  whether  a person  was  going  for 4,000  or                                                                    
8,000 hours and the training  provided by AVTEC was equal to                                                                    
one year of an apprenticeship.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  remarked that her nephew  is an AVTEC                                                                    
alumni and was busy every day working.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Munoz replied  that  the  department was  very                                                                    
proud  of the  work taking  place at  AVTEC. She  encouraged                                                                    
members  to  visit  the  program.   She  detailed  that  the                                                                    
teachers were  experts in their fields,  typically coming in                                                                    
toward the end of their careers and wanting to give back.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:58:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin stated  her understanding the governor                                                                    
was requesting  to move  the STEP  program from  the numbers                                                                    
section  to  the language  section  [of  the budget],  which                                                                    
would  allow  for  additional  funding  without  legislative                                                                    
action.  She believed  the  request would  result  in a  net                                                                    
increment  of  just  over  $800,000.   She  noted  that  the                                                                    
governor  was  also  requesting  $1.4  million  to  maintain                                                                    
worker's compensation  operations. She  asked if  the change                                                                    
was because  DLWD was  looking for  more flexibility  in how                                                                    
the dollars were  spent or if the department  needed to move                                                                    
funding more quickly. She asked  about the intent behind the                                                                    
proposal.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Munoz responded  that the  department received                                                                    
quarterly  estimations  on what  its  tax  revenue would  be                                                                    
coming in  through the employment security  tax program. Due                                                                    
to fluctuations  in the economy, the  unemployment rate, and                                                                    
growth   in  wages,   the  amount   could  grow   more  than                                                                    
anticipated in a year. She  explained that when it happened,                                                                    
the department wanted the flexibility  to be able to get the                                                                    
surplus money  out to training  providers in order  for more                                                                    
Alaskans to benefit from the money.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  asked  if the  department  had  been                                                                    
unable to cover  its needs in the recent past.  She asked if                                                                    
it was the reason for the  proposed change. She asked if the                                                                    
department wanted  the flexibility to use  potential surplus                                                                    
funds immediately when they became available.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Munoz  answered affirmatively.  She  explained                                                                    
that  there  were  many more  applications  for  competitive                                                                    
grants and requests for  individual training support through                                                                    
DLWD's job centers than funding available.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:00:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Bynum   expressed   appreciation   to   the                                                                    
department for  its work and  wanted to  see more of  it. He                                                                    
noted he  would save  some of  his questions  about pipeline                                                                    
development,  the K-12  system,  and training  opportunities                                                                    
for  the subcommittee  process.  He referenced  Commissioner                                                                    
Munoz's mention of  people being able to  donate and receive                                                                    
tax donations. He asked if  the department had looked into a                                                                    
way to leverage  the new program the governor  had opted the                                                                    
state  into through  the scholarship  granting organizations                                                                    
for this particular purpose.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Munoz  replied that she was  most familiar with                                                                    
the  current educational  tax credit  program and  AVTEC had                                                                    
been the  beneficiary of the  opportunities. She  noted that                                                                    
the   university  also   received  educational   tax  credit                                                                    
donations. She would have to follow up on the question.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Bynum   thought   it   was   a   tremendous                                                                    
opportunity for the  state. He noted that it was  new, so he                                                                    
did  not expect  the  department to  already have  something                                                                    
lined up.  He noted  that the Alaska  Industrial Development                                                                    
and Export  Authority (AIDEA) had  recently entered  into an                                                                    
agreement  in  his  district. He  detailed  that  AIDEA  was                                                                    
working in  the Ketchikan shipyard, a  state-owned facility.                                                                    
He  explained that  work development  and creating  jobs had                                                                    
been a priority  for the facility and  recently the operator                                                                    
JAG  Marine Group  had  come in  and  was making  tremendous                                                                    
opportunities for growth in jobs.  He noted that a growth in                                                                    
jobs meant  there was a  need employees. He  elaborated that                                                                    
AIDEA  recently entered  into an  agreement with  JAG Marine                                                                    
Group and Generation Southeast  Vocational Center located in                                                                    
Juneau and Prince  of Wales to create a  pipeline of skilled                                                                    
work. He asked  if the department was working  to align with                                                                    
trades to have partnerships.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:03:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Munoz  highlighted  the  maritime  partnership                                                                    
between AVTEC and the University  of Alaska Southeast, which                                                                    
was named  a maritime center  of training excellence  by the                                                                    
U.S.   Department  of   Transportation.  There   were  great                                                                    
opportunities  for   Alaskans  to  get   excellent  maritime                                                                    
training  through   the  university  and  AVTEC   in  state.                                                                    
Additionally,  she  had recently  been  on  Prince of  Wales                                                                    
Island with the  AVTEC director, and they  were working with                                                                    
the  local director  on articulation  agreements that  would                                                                    
allow individuals who  had completed a program  at Prince of                                                                    
Wales   to  articulate   into   AVTEC   to  enable   quicker                                                                    
educational advancement.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum  lauded  all of  the  people  involved                                                                    
including AIDEA.  He remarked that AIDEA  executive director                                                                    
Randy  Ruaro  was  doing a  phenomenal  job  ensuring  those                                                                    
things were  thriving in his community.  He understood there                                                                    
were  opportunities  statewide.  He was  excited  about  the                                                                    
working  partnerships.  He  appreciated   the  work  by  the                                                                    
department   to  make   sure   the  positive   opportunities                                                                    
continued.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Munoz  replied  that  as  a  fellow  Southeast                                                                    
resident, the department was very  pleased that the shipyard                                                                    
was running with a new operator.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:05:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  DeBartolo addressed  slide 4  showing the  department's                                                                    
organization and  mission delivery.  The department  had six                                                                    
major  divisions.   He  noted  that  the   commissioner  had                                                                    
mentioned  seven  divisions  earlier because  sometimes  the                                                                    
Alaska Workforce  Investment Board (AWIB) was  thought of as                                                                    
a   division,   but  it   was   technically   part  of   the                                                                    
commissioner's office and  Administrative Services Division.                                                                    
The  slide  depicted the  department's  FY  27 budget  as  a                                                                    
function of  its mission  to provide  all Alaskans  safe and                                                                    
legal working  conditions and  to advance  opportunities for                                                                    
employment. He detailed  that 10 percent of  the DLWD budget                                                                    
went to leadership and  support including the commissioner's                                                                    
office,   the  Administrative   Services  Division,   fiscal                                                                    
functions,   human   resources,   and   the   Labor   Market                                                                    
Information  Unit responsible  for research  analysis. Next,                                                                    
15 percent of  the budget went to the  protection of workers                                                                    
including  workers'  safety,   licensing,  and  compensation                                                                    
functions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. DeBartolo continued reviewing  slide 4. He detailed that                                                                    
18 percent  of the  DLWD budget  went to  income replacement                                                                    
including    unemployment     insurance    and    disability                                                                    
determinations.  The  largest  portion of  the  department's                                                                    
budget  -  57  percent   -  went  to  workforce  development                                                                    
including vocational  rehabilitation services,  job centers,                                                                    
technical  vocational  education  programs  in  Seward,  and                                                                    
training grants to  individuals and organizations throughout                                                                    
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:07:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. DeBartolo  turned to  slide 5 titled  FY 2026  - Current                                                                    
Year Implementation  Status." He  highlighted AVTEC  and the                                                                    
expansion   of  the   industrial  electricity   program  and                                                                    
plumbing  program.  He  relayed  that the  prior  year,  the                                                                    
legislature  granted DLWD  a supplemental  in the  amount of                                                                    
$660,000 and  an increment of  $182,000. The  department had                                                                    
requested an  accelerated timeline to expand  its industrial                                                                    
electricity lab  from 15  seats to 30  seats. He  noted that                                                                    
ordering  and installing  the  equipment  and expanding  the                                                                    
space  would  take  time.  The  department  appreciated  the                                                                    
funding and he confirmed that  all of the purchases had been                                                                    
made. He briefly  pointed to several photos on  slide 6. The                                                                    
upper  lefthand corner  showed the  target building  for the                                                                    
expanded industrial  electricity program.  The photo  on the                                                                    
right  showed current  remodeling  efforts; it  was not  yet                                                                    
ready  for the  labs due  to  some delays,  but things  were                                                                    
moving forward.  The center photo showed  the temporary home                                                                    
for  the   industrial  electricity  lab.  The   program  was                                                                    
currently  using  the  additional   heavy  diesel  space  in                                                                    
Seward.  Eventually  the program  would  move  into the  new                                                                    
building currently  under progress.  There was  high demand,                                                                    
particularly  for the  industrial  electricity program.  The                                                                    
department was proud of the direction of the work.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. DeBartolo  returned to  slide 5  and highlighted  item 3                                                                    
pertaining  to  AWIB.  He relayed  that  Catholic  Community                                                                    
Services  had administered  refugee  support services  funds                                                                    
for quite  some time and the  current federal administration                                                                    
communicated  that it  wanted  the services  to  be a  state                                                                    
responsibility. The  state was still allowed  to parter with                                                                    
CCS, but  the funds had  to go  through a state  entity. The                                                                    
previous  year,  DLWD  requested  $3,100,000  in  additional                                                                    
federal  authority. The  funding had  not yet  come through,                                                                    
partially  due to  machinations  at the  federal level  with                                                                    
budgeting. When  the funding came  in, the  department would                                                                    
be  required  to do  an  annual  report  and work  with  its                                                                    
partners on helping refugees benefiting from the funds.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. DeBartolo  continued reviewing  slide 5.  The department                                                                    
was asked to mention some of  the items that were not funded                                                                    
the  previous   year.  He  highlighted  the   Alaska  Safety                                                                    
Advisory   Program,  formerly   called  the   Alaska  Safety                                                                    
Advisory  Council (ASAC).  He relayed  that Labor  Standards                                                                    
and Safety  used to help  ASAC put on the  Governor's Health                                                                    
and Safety Conference. He  elaborated that volunteer private                                                                    
sector partners and individuals helped  do some of the roles                                                                    
associated  with  ASAC.  Through  the  governor's  Executive                                                                    
Order (EO)  135, the  duties were  put into  Labor Standards                                                                    
and  Safety. The  department requested  $290,000 to  support                                                                    
two positions to run the new  functions under the EO and the                                                                    
Governor's Health and Safety Conference,  but the items were                                                                    
not funded.  Consequently, the division was  collecting fees                                                                    
from  vendors  to run  the  conference.  He noted  that  the                                                                    
department could not let the  money go unspent. The division                                                                    
currently  lacked the  capacity  to do  the other  functions                                                                    
under the EO.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:12:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson asked if the  request was repeated in the                                                                    
FY 27 budget.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. DeBartolo  replied that the  department did  not request                                                                    
the  funding in  the FY  27 budget.  He continued  to review                                                                    
slide  5.  He looked  at  item  5 pertaining  to  mechanical                                                                    
inspection. He detailed that at the  end of May 2024, SB 204                                                                    
was  rolled  up with  a  number  of  other bills  after  the                                                                    
conference committee  had completed its work  on the budget;                                                                    
therefore,  a fiscal  note was  not  attached to  pay for  a                                                                    
portion  of  the  mechanical   inspection  support  for  the                                                                    
Certificate  of   Fitness  (COF)  program.   The  department                                                                    
requested $58,000  in FY  26 for  the item,  but it  was not                                                                    
approved.  The  program  was  moving  forward,  but  as  the                                                                    
department modernized  its systems, the gaps  in funding and                                                                    
reduction in collection of fees  was making it harder to pay                                                                    
for maintenance  of the systems.  He noted it was  a concern                                                                    
going forward.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Munoz    clarified   that    the   referenced                                                                    
legislation took the training  certificate from two years to                                                                    
six years. She explained  that occasionally, more often than                                                                    
the department  liked, an individual came  to the department                                                                    
with their  training hours ready  to sit for  the journeymen                                                                    
test, but  it could not  take the  hours that occurred  on a                                                                    
lapsed  certificate of  fitness.  The department  determined                                                                    
that a  solution would be  to take the certificate  from two                                                                    
years  to  six  years  in  order  to  avoid  the  situation.                                                                    
However, making the change resulted  in lost revenue because                                                                    
the certificates were not occurring every two years.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan asked  how  it  had impacted  keeping                                                                    
mechanical   inspectors  certified   to  work   without  the                                                                    
$58,000.  She  asked if  the  number  of certificates  being                                                                    
given had slowed  down, if people were still  pending, or if                                                                    
the department  had been  able to cover  it with  money from                                                                    
somewhere else.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Munoz  replied that  they were  extremely busy.                                                                    
She relayed that  COF were way up and  the department issued                                                                    
over  400  journeymen  certificates  and  over  400  trainee                                                                    
certificates in the previous year.  She stated it was a busy                                                                    
shop that was running on a shoestring.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:15:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  stated  that  most  of  the  state's                                                                    
professional   licensure   programs  eventually   paid   for                                                                    
themselves by  design. She highlighted the  Board of Nursing                                                                    
as an example.  She asked if the $59,000  gap was permanent.                                                                    
Alternatively,  she  asked  if  the  fees  would  eventually                                                                    
increase  so  a  six-year  certificate  would  pay  for  the                                                                    
balance.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Munoz  replied  that  the  goal  would  be  to                                                                    
increase by  a nominal amount  at the journeymen  level. She                                                                    
thought it could be used to cover the particular gap.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  DeBartolo reviewed  item  6 on  slide  5 pertaining  to                                                                    
workers'  compensation.  The  Stay  at  Work  (SAW)  program                                                                    
passed in  May of 2024 and  the fiscal note that  would have                                                                    
funded the  position to get  people back to work  coming off                                                                    
of  injuries was  not funded.  The department  requested the                                                                    
funding in  the FY 26  budget, but  it was not  approved. He                                                                    
relayed  that Workers'  Compensation was  operating at  a 30                                                                    
percent vacancy rate. The division  was covering the work as                                                                    
well as it could, but it was a difficult situation.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:16:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  DeBartolo advanced  to  slide 7  titled  "FY 2027  Fund                                                                    
Source  Allocation   by  RDU."   He  highlighted   that  the                                                                    
department's  total reliance  on unrestricted  general funds                                                                    
(UGF)  was   fairly  low   compared  to   other  departments                                                                    
(reflected by the blue portion of  the six pie charts on the                                                                    
slide). He  stated that the  department was  fourth overall.                                                                    
He noted  that he would cover  a one-time request for  FY 27                                                                    
on  an  upcoming  slide  that   raised  the  percentage  for                                                                    
Workers'  Compensation.  He  provided  a  breakdown  of  the                                                                    
department's   budget  by   fund  source:   federal  funding                                                                    
accounted for  50.5 percent, designated general  funds (DGF)                                                                    
accounted for  27.5 percent, UGF  accounted for  13 percent,                                                                    
and "other" accounted for 9 percent.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  DeBartolo   turned  to  slide  8   titled  "FY2025-2027                                                                    
Operating Budget  Comparison." The  major change  between FY                                                                    
25 authorized  and FY 27  governor was largely  the one-time                                                                    
UGF request. Most  of the increases were  due to contractual                                                                    
salary increases, health benefit  changes, and the change to                                                                    
the TVEP program (which increased  DGF). He moved to slide 9                                                                    
and reviewed  the department's operating budget  request. He                                                                    
noted  that   the  statewide   items  associated   with  the                                                                    
information   technology   (IT)   classification   and   the                                                                    
transferring  of   positions  out   of  the   Department  of                                                                    
Administration  (DOA)  were  not represented  on  the  slide                                                                    
because the slide  only reflected DLWD items.  The first and                                                                    
second  items  on  the  slide   were  related  to  the  STEP                                                                    
appropriation  to the  language  section of  the budget.  He                                                                    
explained  that having  the  appropriation  in the  language                                                                    
section  would allow  the department  to provide  funding to                                                                    
training providers needing funds late in the fiscal year.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. DeBartolo  explained that STEP  was a  competitive grant                                                                    
program  and  the  department  did not  get  to  direct  the                                                                    
funding anywhere  it wanted. He stated  that applicants were                                                                    
not  all awarded  funds. He  elaborated that  language would                                                                    
allow  DLWD to  go to  the Office  of Management  and Budget                                                                    
(OMB)  or  Lennon  Weller, the  department's  actuary  would                                                                    
inform the department that it  had approximately $900,000 or                                                                    
$1.1  million additional  STEP funds.  The department  could                                                                    
ask OMB for  the adjustment in language and  OMB could grant                                                                    
the authority  in order  for DLWD  to get  the funds  on the                                                                    
street as  soon as  possible. He noted  that the  method had                                                                    
worked   well  for   TVEP.  He   clarified  that   the  AWIB                                                                    
competitive grants  went to organizations and  the Workforce                                                                    
Services grants went to individuals.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  DeBartolo addressed  item  2 on  slide  9 for  Workers'                                                                    
Compensation.  He   relayed  that  the  component   was  the                                                                    
department's  largest  request for  the  FY  27 budget.  The                                                                    
department requested  $1.4 million to shore  up the Workers'                                                                    
Safety  and  Compensation  Administration  Account  (WSCAA).                                                                    
Typically, Workers'  Compensation was  99 percent  funded by                                                                    
WSCAA   from   funds    generated   by   employer   workers'                                                                    
compensation  insurance  premiums. The  department  received                                                                    
2.7 percent  of the premiums  redirected into the  budget to                                                                    
run  Workers' Compensation.  He  explained  that Alaska  had                                                                    
become  safer as  a state  and premiums  had dropped,  which                                                                    
resulted in a drop in  the percentage. He elaborated that at                                                                    
the same  time, the  department had  contractually obligated                                                                    
salary increases. There had been  a salary study for hearing                                                                    
officers    that   drove    up   personal    services   cost                                                                    
substantially,   but   revenue   had  been   dropping.   The                                                                    
department was requesting the $1.4  million UGF increment to                                                                    
cover  operations in  order to  avoid a  30 percent  vacancy                                                                    
rate in the coming year.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:21:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin referenced  the item  description for                                                                    
the Workers' Compensation  component to maintain operations.                                                                    
She found it  hard to connect maintaining  operations with a                                                                    
one-time increment.  She understood that  insurance premiums                                                                    
had  dropped  because  of  improved   safety.  She  did  not                                                                    
understand how  the funds could be  one-time-only unless the                                                                    
maintenance pertained  to one-time  projects. She  asked for                                                                    
additional detail.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  DeBartolo  replied  there   were  several  options.  He                                                                    
explained that  the one-time increment would  give DLWD time                                                                    
to  workshop  its  options.  Alternatively,  the  department                                                                    
could  request  an  ongoing  UGF  increment,  but  that  was                                                                    
challenging  in  the  current [financial]  environment.  The                                                                    
department had  chosen not to  request an  ongoing increment                                                                    
in hopes it could find the best path forward.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin was interested  in more details on how                                                                    
the  WSCAA was  spent previously  and how  the $1.4  million                                                                    
would  be  spent in  the  coming  year. She  referenced  Mr.                                                                    
DeBartolo's mention  of a 30  percent vacancy rate,  and she                                                                    
imagined the  department had previously  been able  to cover                                                                    
the cost.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. DeBartolo  replied that in  2021 WSCAA had a  balance of                                                                    
~$2.2  million that  was typically  returned to  the account                                                                    
via the  reverse sweep process.  Once the funds  were swept,                                                                    
the account  no longer had  a buffer. He explained  that the                                                                    
department looked at the likely FY  27 costs and asked for a                                                                    
portion of the  amount to cover operations  through the year                                                                    
instead of asking for the entire $2.2 million.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Munoz was interested in  more detail on how the                                                                    
$1.4  million would  be  spent. She  wanted  to support  the                                                                    
department's  work and  thought the  information would  help                                                                    
committee members when making budget decisions.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson believed  the $1.4  million was  used to                                                                    
maintain the [Workers' Compensation] division.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Munoz responded affirmatively.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson   stated  his  understanding   that  the                                                                    
funding was used to keep  the lights on, employees paid, and                                                                    
the commission functioning.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. DeBartolo  confirmed that the funding  would cover basic                                                                    
operations including  payroll. The department would  love to                                                                    
get  positions filled  and to  pay individuals  for hearings                                                                    
and related support.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Munoz  offered  to  follow up  with  a  budget                                                                    
breakdown  for the  Workers' Compensation  Division and  how                                                                    
the  funds would  be used  specifically. She  reiterated Mr.                                                                    
DeBartolo's  statement  that  the WCSAA  was  swept  several                                                                    
years back, and the funding  was not returned, which created                                                                    
a hole  in the  division's budget.  The department  had been                                                                    
able to  float the gap  for a year, but  it could not  do it                                                                    
for the  coming year. The  money was  needed to pay  for the                                                                    
division services.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson explained  that  for  decades after  the                                                                    
Constitutional Budget Reserve (CBR)  was created there was a                                                                    
reverse sweep  vote [by the  legislature] and at  12:01 a.m.                                                                    
on  July 1  the  money  went back  [from  the  CBR into  the                                                                    
original  accounts]. He  detailed  that about  four or  five                                                                    
years ago  the process broke  down. He  added that he  had a                                                                    
bill  designed  to  increase  the  compensation  premium  to                                                                    
increase DGF.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:26:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp  asked  about moving  the  STEP  grant                                                                    
appropriation  to the  language  section of  the budget.  He                                                                    
asked if  it was due  to the  multiyear nature of  the grant                                                                    
money.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Munoz   replied  that   was  because   of  the                                                                    
fluctuation in  revenue received by the  department based on                                                                    
tax revenue.  She explained that the  department may project                                                                    
a certain amount  but when the quarter was  accounted for it                                                                    
may  receive  additional  revenue  due  to  changes  in  the                                                                    
economy, unemployment, wages, etcetera.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp asked  how  STEP  grant awardees  were                                                                    
selected.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Munoz  replied that AWIB  reviewed applications                                                                    
in a  competitive grant process. The  maximum amount awarded                                                                    
was $400,000  in the current  framework. She  believed there                                                                    
were 27 grantees in the current year.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked for verification  that it  was not                                                                    
fixed in statute like TVEP.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Munoz agreed.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan asked how  many positions a 30 percent                                                                    
vacancy represented within Workers' Compensation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. DeBartolo replied that it was currently 13 positions.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan   asked  for  verification   that  13                                                                    
positions were vacant.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. DeBartolo replied affirmatively.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  recalled that  in 2021  several funds                                                                    
that had  never been considered  sweepable in the  past were                                                                    
suddenly  swept and  by 2022  there  were some  new OMB  and                                                                    
legislative agreements  that the  funds were  not sweepable.                                                                    
She asked  if the WSCAA  fund was now  on the list  of funds                                                                    
that were  not considered  sweepable because the  funds were                                                                    
collected  from  payers.  She asked  for  verification  that                                                                    
WSCAA was not UGF and was made up of workers' compensation.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  DeBartolo replied  it was  considered a  DGF fund.  The                                                                    
department received the funds and  was allowed to spend them                                                                    
up  to  its  allocation. However,  the  determination  about                                                                    
whether   a  fund   was  sweepable   occurred  between   the                                                                    
Department of  Law and OMB.  He explained that the  fund had                                                                    
been determined to be sweepable.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:29:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  shared that  he  had  been involved  in                                                                    
legislation  pertaining to  the reverse  sweep that  did not                                                                    
pass and  his office  had studied the  issue. He  stated his                                                                    
understanding there  were individuals  paying a  premium tax                                                                    
into  WSCAA.  He noted  that  the  funds originated  from  a                                                                    
business. He  asked if the  dollars were going into  the CBR                                                                    
annually.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  DeBartolo  confirmed  that if  there  was  a  sweepable                                                                    
balance in  WSCAA at  the end  of a  fiscal year,  the funds                                                                    
would  be  swept. The  largest  amount  occurred five  years                                                                    
back. More  recently, there had  not been  sweepable amounts                                                                    
and  the  department  had  to  cover  Workers'  Compensation                                                                    
operations  with whatever  it could  scrape together  in the                                                                    
past year.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  had always  thought  it  was a  lawsuit                                                                    
waiting   to  happen   because  he   wondered  why   private                                                                    
businesses  were paying  for  the CBR.  He  asked about  the                                                                    
nexus and stated, "I don't get it."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  recalled  that prior  to  2021,  the                                                                    
WSCAA  fund   was  so  healthy  the   legislature  discussed                                                                    
increasing   benefits    to   people    receiving   workers'                                                                    
compensation  because Alaska  was far  behind and  the rates                                                                    
had not  increased in a  number of years. She  remarked that                                                                    
if  the fund  was swept,  there was  no room  for increasing                                                                    
benefits  to people.  She asked  for  verification that  the                                                                    
$2.1  million  DGF swept  in  2021  that came  from  Alaskan                                                                    
businesses to be  held for Alaskan employees  injured on the                                                                    
job had  gone into  the CBR  as if  it was  UGF due  to "the                                                                    
politics of this weird business."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Munoz responded affirmatively.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  clarified  that   the  funds  were  not                                                                    
payments to  injured workers  but were  used to  operate the                                                                    
division.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. DeBartolo confirmed that it  was operational funding for                                                                    
work done in Workers' Compensation.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  stated, "Same,  same." He  remarked that                                                                    
it still did not justify the sweep.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Munoz  agreed that  the money that  flowed into                                                                    
WSCAA  was   from  a  fee  into   on  Workers'  Compensation                                                                    
policies.  The  fee  went  into   WSCAA,  which  funded  the                                                                    
division   to  pay   benefits   and   maintain  a   worker's                                                                    
compensation system.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:32:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. DeBartolo concluded the presentation  on slide 10 titled                                                                    
"FY2027  Estimated  TVEP  Distribution." He  explained  that                                                                    
when  TVEP was  reauthorized,  it was  in  statute that  the                                                                    
recipients  listed on  the  slide  received the  percentages                                                                    
listed  on  the  slide.  There was  no  discretion  for  the                                                                    
department other than looking  at the amounts available. The                                                                    
department  held  $250,000 in  reserve  in  case there  were                                                                    
fluctuations  in   the  available  funds  at   the  time  of                                                                    
distribution.  The  remainder  of  the  funds  went  towards                                                                    
program  administration and  recipients.  He clarified  that                                                                    
STEP  funds  were  competitively  granted  through  AWIB  or                                                                    
individuals  in DETS  [Division of  Employment and  Training                                                                    
Services].                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Munoz  returned  to  an  earlier  question  by                                                                    
Representative   Stapp  and   relayed  that   the  Fairbanks                                                                    
Pipeline  Training  Center  received  $1.7  million  in  new                                                                    
revenue through the program.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson thanked the presenters.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:34:38 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:37:36 PM                                                                                                                    
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^PRESENTATION:    STATEWIDE   2026    JOBS   FORECAST    and                                                                  
UNEMPLOYMENT FINANCING  METRICS BY  THE DEPARTMENT  OF LABOR                                                                  
and WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:37:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KARINNE   WIEBOLD,  ECONOMIST,   DEPARTMENT  OF   LABOR  AND                                                                    
WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, introduced herself.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
LENNON WELLER,  ECONOMIST AND  ACUTARY, DEPARTMENT  OF LABOR                                                                    
AND  WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT,  highlighted that  DLWD produced                                                                    
an  annual actuarial  publication  that went  into depth  on                                                                    
metrics  dealing  with  the financing  of  the  unemployment                                                                    
insurance   (UI)  system,   which  was   available  on   the                                                                    
department's   website.    He   introduced    a   PowerPoint                                                                    
presentation  titled  "Unemployment Insurance  Overview  and                                                                    
Jobs Forecast,"  dated January 28,  2026 (copy on  file). He                                                                    
began  on  slide  2  showing a  chart  of  the  Unemployment                                                                    
Insurance Trust Fund balance in  blue, benefit costs in red,                                                                    
and net UI tax contributions  (from employers and employees)                                                                    
in  green from  FY 02  to FY  25. He  detailed that  benefit                                                                    
costs  and  contributions  tended  to  run  counter  to  one                                                                    
another.  He  elaborated  that   benefit  costs  rose  under                                                                    
periods of heightened unemployment.  The system was designed                                                                    
to  recoup  the  costs  with increased  tax  rates  and  net                                                                    
contributions should  respond in  kind. He  highlighted that                                                                    
in the past several  years post-COVID-19 the closing balance                                                                    
of  the  fund  was  becoming a  growing  concern.  The  fund                                                                    
bottomed out  at just  under $300 million  in early  to mid-                                                                    
2021. Since that time, the  fund gained almost $500 million;                                                                    
the current balance was $819.5 million.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked if Mr.  Weller's concern  was that                                                                    
the funding was unused.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Weller  responded that primarily there  was a disconnect                                                                    
between  the  benefits  being  paid   out  and  the  current                                                                    
financing  structure  and  its  ability to  respond  to  the                                                                    
varying level of benefit costs.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Weller  turned to slide  3 titled "Average  Benefit Cost                                                                    
Rate and UI Trust Fund  Reserve Ratio." The slide showed the                                                                    
balance  of the  fund and  benefit cost  as a  percentage of                                                                    
wages covered,  which he believed  was a better way  to view                                                                    
the  information  compared  to  slide 2.  From  a  financial                                                                    
perspective,  as  wages  changed  in  the  economy,  it  was                                                                    
desirable to keep a certain  percentage of that in reserves.                                                                    
He  stated that  while the  fund balance  and benefit  costs                                                                    
fluctuate,  the   linkage  [between  the  two]   had  broken                                                                    
somewhat.  He  highlighted  that the  most  severe  economic                                                                    
recession since statehood occurred  in the 1980s and benefit                                                                    
costs had  reached nearly  4 percent in  the late  1980s. He                                                                    
noted  that   the  benefit  costs  during   COVID-19  barely                                                                    
exceeded 2  percent. He pointed out  the precipitous decline                                                                    
in  benefit cost  rate  (benefits paid  as  a percentage  of                                                                    
wages in  the economy) in  the 2000s, with the  exception of                                                                    
the COVID-19  period. The increase in  benefit schedules was                                                                    
another reason for  blips upward in benefit  costs. The long                                                                    
term  trend was  a decline  in  benefit costs.  There was  a                                                                    
growing  UI  trust  fund  balance   since  the  early  2010s                                                                    
irrespective  of the  benefit costs  falling. He  elaborated                                                                    
that the pandemic brought the  reserve down, but the reserve                                                                    
ratio  never  dropped below  about  2.5  percent, which  was                                                                    
still quite significant.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:44:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked if  the benefit costs  were set                                                                    
in statute or  tied to the earnings of the  job a person had                                                                    
lost.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Weller  answered  that  it  was  technically  both.  He                                                                    
elaborated that  a schedule set  in statute looked  at wages                                                                    
and a  corresponding benefit amount related  to the specific                                                                    
wage  level. The  schedule started  at a  $56.00 benefit  at                                                                    
$2,500 in  base period  wages (roughly an  annualized period                                                                    
of wages).  He detailed that  every $250 in  wages increased                                                                    
the benefit amount by $2.00 up  to a weekly maximum of $370,                                                                    
not  accounting  for  any  dependent  allowances.  The  $370                                                                    
maximum was reached at a base period wage of $41,750.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan remarked that  the state had increased                                                                    
its minimum wage, so in  theory the benefit should increase;                                                                    
however, if a  maximum was set in statute it  did not matter                                                                    
if  a person's  earnings  rose.  She asked  if  there was  a                                                                    
presumption  that   people  losing   their  jobs   were  not                                                                    
attempting  to claim  their benefits  in Alaska  and instead                                                                    
they  were  leaving the  state  because  for $370/week  they                                                                    
could  not  afford to  stay  in  Alaska.  She asked  if  the                                                                    
presumption was too speculative.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Weller  replied  that it  would  be  understandable  to                                                                    
recognize that  the longer  a benefit  schedule had  a fixed                                                                    
amount while  wage rates were simultaneously  increasing the                                                                    
more  severe  the  repercussions  would  be.  He  would  not                                                                    
speculate   what   specifically    may   result   from   the                                                                    
interaction. The  data showed a continued  decline in claims                                                                    
loads,  which in  part indicated  that the  benefit schedule                                                                    
was not  sufficient and  had been eroded  in real  terms. He                                                                    
highlighted that the last time it was adjusted was 2009.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan summarized  that the  maximum benefit                                                                    
was set  at $370 in  2009 and it  remained at that  level in                                                                    
2026.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:48:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski suggested  that the UI percentage                                                                    
could be shown as another line  on the graph [on slide 3] to                                                                    
show for example that if  the state was fully employed there                                                                    
were   more  people   contributing  into   the  system.   He                                                                    
referenced  the  UI  rate  deducted  from  state  employees'                                                                    
paychecks.  He  wondered  if  the  rate  had  increased.  He                                                                    
observed that  between 2011  and 2019  the fund  balance was                                                                    
steadily  increasing,  followed  by a  significant  decrease                                                                    
during the pandemic  and a dramatic increase  after that. He                                                                    
asked if the  dramatic increase was a result  of more people                                                                    
working and  fewer people collecting  benefits or if  the UI                                                                    
rate had been adjusted.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Weller replied  it was a combination  of several things.                                                                    
He  noted  that  the  increase had  been  seen  in  previous                                                                    
periods,  but it  was at  a different  magnitude post-COVID.                                                                    
The goal was to have  a pre-recessionary target for the fund                                                                    
between 3 and  3.3 percent of wages. When it  was within the                                                                    
range,  there were  no solvency  adjustments applied  to tax                                                                    
rates.  When   the  number  was   above  3.3   percent,  the                                                                    
department started implementing credits  to bring the entire                                                                    
tax schedule down. When the  number was below 3 percent, the                                                                    
department  started adding  on surcharges.  With respect  to                                                                    
the  base rate,  the  department looked  at  the most  three                                                                    
recent years of state fiscal  costs for the system against a                                                                    
staggered  three of  the  most recent  four  years of  wages                                                                    
covered.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Weller clarified that it  resulted in an average benefit                                                                    
cost rate  over a three-year  period, which became  the base                                                                    
of  which  rates  charged to  employers  and  employees.  He                                                                    
elaborated  that 73  percent of  the benefit  cost rate  was                                                                    
applied  to  employers  and the  remaining  27  percent  was                                                                    
applied to employees.  The resulting rate was  based on what                                                                    
73  percent of  the  cost  rate was  and  wherever the  fund                                                                    
balance fell.  He noted  there was  one large  caveat. There                                                                    
were statutory  minimum tax rates:  1 percent  for employers                                                                    
and 0.5  percent for  employees. Once  the fund  balance had                                                                    
recovered post-COVID with  a 3 to 3.3  percent reserve ratio                                                                    
and benefits  continued to fall (especially  as a percentage                                                                    
of wages covered),  the 1 percent minimum floor  was hit. He                                                                    
explained that the system had  lost its ability to adjust to                                                                    
costs and  where the balance was  and to allow tax  rates to                                                                    
be reflective of the specific cost.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:52:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski  thought   it  looked  like  the                                                                    
employer  tax rate  was increased  in 2021/2022  and dropped                                                                    
back  down.  He observed  that  the  employee tax  rate  had                                                                    
remained   steady.  He   remarked   that   there  had   been                                                                    
accelerated   growth  in   2021/2022.   He  considered   the                                                                    
department's ability to make adjustments  by 3.5 percent. He                                                                    
asked  if   there  was   a  chart   or  graph   showing  the                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Weller clarified  that the  solvency adjustment  was in                                                                    
statute. The  department was required  to go by  an explicit                                                                    
calculation  and to  determine  the  solvency adjustment  if                                                                    
necessary.  The department  did not  have the  discretion to                                                                    
make it a specific value. He  explained that it was based on                                                                    
where  the value  of the  fund was  relative to  the desired                                                                    
outcome.  The difference,  by statute,  was  applied to  the                                                                    
final  rate.  He could  follow  up  with more  specifics  if                                                                    
needed.  He noted  that the  presentation would  address the                                                                    
average  tax rates  and a  rundown  of the  latest 2026  tax                                                                    
calculations.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski imagined  Mr. Weller  had future                                                                    
projections for the fund balance  if no levers were changed.                                                                    
He asked if the department  would come forward with specific                                                                    
rate  adjustment  recommendations  for  the  legislature  to                                                                    
consider.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Weller believed there were  a couple of proposals to try                                                                    
to rebalance the UI financing  system. He did not personally                                                                    
have a specific proposal.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Tomaszewski  asked   about  future   growth                                                                    
projections.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Weller  responded that he produced  internal projections                                                                    
continuously  on  the direction  of  the  fund and  expected                                                                    
benefit costs and tax rates.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson referenced  Mr. Weller's  testimony that                                                                    
for the past 17 years  the highest weekly benefit payment in                                                                    
Alaska was $370. He asked  for verification that the benefit                                                                    
exceeded $1,000/week in Washington state.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Weller  believed  it  was   around  $1,300  a  week  in                                                                    
Washington. He  noted that  every state had  its own  way of                                                                    
adjusting its  benefit schedules or calculating  the benefit                                                                    
amount.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson asked if Washington  state was one of the                                                                    
highest.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Weller replied  that  he  believed it  was  one of  the                                                                    
highest.  He  noted there  were  a  handful of  states  that                                                                    
indexed their maximum benefit  amount. He highlighted Hawaii                                                                    
as another state with a  fairly significant maximum benefit.                                                                    
Alaska's  benefit   amount  ranked  somewhere   towards  the                                                                    
bottom.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson asked  if part  of  the reason  Alaska's                                                                    
benefit  was  so low  was  due  to  its hybrid  system  that                                                                    
involved retraining and pivoting  to different career paths.                                                                    
Alternatively, he wondered if other states did the same.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Weller responded that while  the unemployment system was                                                                    
a  joint federal/state  system, it  had  led to  a 50  state                                                                    
experiment where nearly every state  chose its own method of                                                                    
how  to finance  the program  and  the type  of benefits  to                                                                    
provide.   He   noted   that  most   states   had   seasonal                                                                    
disqualifiers  but  may  provide  a  higher  weekly  benefit                                                                    
amount.  He  stated  there  were  all  sorts  of  things  to                                                                    
tradeoff, but they were all legislative policy calls.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:58:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Weller  turned to slide  4 titled "Average  Employer Tax                                                                    
Rate and  Uniform Employee Tax  Rate." He stated  that there                                                                    
were  21 tax  classes, 20  of which  were experience  rated.                                                                    
Rates varied  from 1 to 20  with 1 being the  low experience                                                                    
and  20  being the  highest  rate  class. The  average  rate                                                                    
classes were 10 and 11 reflected  as the blue portion of the                                                                    
bars on  the graph. The  average rate had been  brought down                                                                    
to 1  in the  past several  years; in  2026, all  20 classes                                                                    
were at  the 1  percent minimum. He  noted that  the uniform                                                                    
tax on employees was not  subject to experience rating, they                                                                    
all just received the same  rate. The rate very infrequently                                                                    
came off  of the minimum  .5 percent, partially a  result of                                                                    
the share.  He elaborated that  27 percent of the  cost rate                                                                    
ended up being under .5 percent.  He pointed out that for at                                                                    
least  the past  three years,  employers and  employees were                                                                    
paying the statutory minimum.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Weller   moved  to  slide  5   titled  "Average  Weekly                                                                    
Benefit/Average  Weekly  Wage."  He explained  there  was  a                                                                    
long-term   downward    trend   in   the    average   weekly                                                                    
benefit/average  weekly wage  ratio, with  the exception  of                                                                    
labor  market shocks  and/or in  combination with  a benefit                                                                    
increase. The  ratio reflected  the replacement  rate, which                                                                    
was currently  just over  22 percent.  He detailed  that the                                                                    
state was  currently replacing  on average  22 cents  on the                                                                    
dollar in lost  wages. He highlighted that  increases in the                                                                    
ratio  on  the graph  reflected  a  combination of  a  labor                                                                    
market  contraction, but  the largest  increase was  in 2009                                                                    
when the  new benefit amount  was changed. Since  that time,                                                                    
there  was a  consistent  downward trend  in  the ratio.  He                                                                    
considered  what  it  meant  for the  program  in  terms  of                                                                    
individuals filing.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:01:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Weller  moved to  slide 6  titled "Recipiency  Rate." He                                                                    
noted that the  graphs on slides 5 and 6  used data from the                                                                    
[federal]  Employment  and   Training  Administration  (ETA)                                                                    
because  it   was  comparable  across  all   50  states.  He                                                                    
explained  that the  recipiency rate  reflected the  regular                                                                    
benefit claimants  collecting as  a percentage of  the total                                                                    
estimated unemployed  in a given  period. The data  showed a                                                                    
long-term  downward   trend  in   the  number   of  employed                                                                    
individuals  filing for  and collecting  benefits. The  rate                                                                    
was at a historic low of about 22 percent.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin referenced  the $370  maximum benefit                                                                    
amount  [in   Alaska].  She  highlighted   maximum  benefits                                                                    
provided  in  other  states including  Washington  at  $844,                                                                    
Oregon at $673,  Hawaii at $639, and Wisconsin  at $370. She                                                                    
remarked  that  many  were  twice  the  amount  received  in                                                                    
Alaska. She  noted that  Mr. Weller  had mentioned  the rate                                                                    
had  not  been changed  since  2009.  She  asked if  it  was                                                                    
strictly a policy call for  the legislature. She wondered if                                                                    
there was  some other  mathematical formula that  Mr. Weller                                                                    
may advise the committee to consider.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Weller replied  there were  suggested replacement  rate                                                                    
metrics that  were nationally recognized. He  stated that 50                                                                    
percent  was a  rate that  was spoken  about frequently.  He                                                                    
reiterated his  earlier statement  that every state  had its                                                                    
own method  of calculating  the replacement rate.  There was                                                                    
an infinite number of ways  to go about determining the rate                                                                    
on an average basis, at the  top of the schedule, and at the                                                                    
bottom of the schedule. He  stated that 50 percent tended to                                                                    
be  the general  recommended  replacement rate  to enable  a                                                                    
person to meet  basic needs in order to get  from one job to                                                                    
another, but to  avoid creating a disincentive  for a person                                                                    
to return to  work. He noted there were  more robust methods                                                                    
to determine  what the  ideal number  may be,  but it  was a                                                                    
policy call.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Galvin  asked   how   long   a  person   on                                                                    
unemployment received the weekly benefit.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Weller replied that the  information was not included in                                                                    
the presentation.  He relayed that the  minimum duration was                                                                    
16  [weeks] and  the  maximum duration  was  26 [weeks].  He                                                                    
explained  it  was  dependent on  the  person's  pattern  of                                                                    
employment.  The  more   consistent  long-term  duration  of                                                                    
employment  led to  a longer  qualifying duration.  The more                                                                    
sporadic   the  employment,   the  shorter   the  qualifying                                                                    
duration.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  referenced the  solvency of  the fund                                                                    
and ensuring  the state was  dispersing an  adequate amount.                                                                    
She  stated her  understanding that  the things  to consider                                                                    
were the maximum  benefit and the length of  time. She asked                                                                    
if  there was  any other  consideration the  legislature may                                                                    
need to look  at. She asked what the fund  balance should be                                                                    
in order to get through a recession or pandemic.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Weller answered it was  necessary to balance the state's                                                                    
ability  to  absorb  the  costs  with  the  desired  benefit                                                                    
payment. The state could finance  any program it wanted, but                                                                    
it had to  be willing to accept the  accompanying tax rates.                                                                    
There were many  different levers and ways  to rebalance the                                                                    
system. He reiterated  it would be up to  the legislature to                                                                    
decide.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Josephson  asked   for   confirmation  that   the                                                                    
timeframe provided by Mr. Weller was 16 to 26 weeks.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Weller answered  affirmatively. The  minimum number  of                                                                    
weeks  a person  could qualify  for was  16 and  the maximum                                                                    
number was 26 on a regular benefit claim.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:07:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson   asked  about  a  situation   where  an                                                                    
employee was only employed for two months.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Weller answered  that a  person would  not qualify  for                                                                    
unemployment  if they  were only  employed for  a couple  of                                                                    
weeks  in  a year.  He  elaborated  that an  individual  was                                                                    
required to have  at least $2,500 in wages in  a year and at                                                                    
least $250 outside of their  highest quarter of earnings. He                                                                    
explained that  a person had  to have wages in  two quarters                                                                    
and a minimum  amount of wages to earn in  order to qualify.                                                                    
At those levels,  a person would likely qualify  for the 16-                                                                    
week minimum. He noted that a  person could opt to apply for                                                                    
benefits for  any number of  weeks within that  time period.                                                                    
The shorter  a person's duration  of work and the  lower the                                                                    
wage would  result in  a shorter  duration of  benefits. The                                                                    
more consistent  a person's wage  was over time,  the longer                                                                    
their eligible duration of benefits.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum   asked  if  the   department  tracked                                                                    
whether a person who  collected unemployment benefits became                                                                    
reemployed or left the state once their benefits ceased.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Weller  replied  affirmatively.  He  relayed  that  the                                                                    
department tracked  when an individual returned  to work via                                                                    
payroll  records to  determine  the  reemployment rate.  The                                                                    
department did  not necessarily know  why a person  may stop                                                                    
filing [for  benefits]. He shared  that the  department also                                                                    
tried  to  look at  reemployment  services  aiming to  place                                                                    
individuals  in more  lucrative and  stable employment.  The                                                                    
department  did not  necessarily know  when a  person ceased                                                                    
filing  for  benefits.  He  explained  that  the  subsequent                                                                    
quarterly  wage records  were needed  in order  to know.  He                                                                    
added  that it  was for  Alaska  only. There  were a  fairly                                                                    
significant number  of interstate claims by  individuals who                                                                    
earned wages  in the state  and subsequently left  and filed                                                                    
from outside the  state. There was much  less information on                                                                    
those individuals  once they left  the state. He  noted that                                                                    
if  they   returned,  the   department  could   compare  the                                                                    
individuals   over   time.   The   department   periodically                                                                    
conducted more longitudinal analysis on repeat filers.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:11:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum thought it  would be interesting to see                                                                    
the data from  the perspective given the  seasonal nature of                                                                    
many  industries in  Alaska where  someone was  employed for                                                                    
stretches of time and unemployed  for periods of time due to                                                                    
the nature  of the business. He  stated it would be  nice to                                                                    
know whether a  person was staying in Alaska  or leaving the                                                                    
state and coming back, following  the cyclical nature of the                                                                    
business.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Weller moved  to  slide  7 and  addressed  UI tax  rate                                                                    
calculations  for 2026.  He highlighted  that benefit  costs                                                                    
were just  under $41 million  in FY  25. He stated  that the                                                                    
most important  elements looked at the  average benefit cost                                                                    
rate shown on  line 8, which was just under  half a percent.                                                                    
He noted that the average  benefit cost rate was split 73/27                                                                    
employer/employee. The UI  trust fund balance as  of the end                                                                    
of September  was used  at tax  calculation time  by statute                                                                    
(shown on line  9). The reserve ratio  was approximately 4.7                                                                    
percent, which  was significantly above the  high water mark                                                                    
of 3.3  percent. He explained  that it resulted in  the need                                                                    
to apply  the statutory maximum  of 4/10. He pointed  to the                                                                    
last two  lines on the  slide [lines  13 and 14]  and stated                                                                    
that  if  the  statutory  minimum rates  were  ignored,  the                                                                    
calculation  using  a  solvency  adjustment  resulted  in  a                                                                    
negative  tax rate  for  employers in  2026.  He noted  that                                                                    
under  the scenario,  employees  would pay  .12 percent.  He                                                                    
explained   that  the   financing   system   had  lost   its                                                                    
flexibility at these levels of benefit payout.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:15:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wiebold  reviewed slide 8 showing  the statewide outlook                                                                    
for jobs in 2026 by industry.  The first column on the slide                                                                    
showed  the average  annual employment  in 2024,  the second                                                                    
column  showed  the same  information  for  2025, the  third                                                                    
column  reflected  the change  between  the  two years,  the                                                                    
fourth  column  showed the  percent  change,  and the  fifth                                                                    
column  showed the  division's forecast  for 2026.  The jobs                                                                    
forecast projected the  oil and gas industry would  be up by                                                                    
1,000  jobs,   construction  would  be  up   700  jobs,  and                                                                    
healthcare continued  robust growth  and was expected  to be                                                                    
up 1,100 jobs.  She noted that federal  government jobs were                                                                    
expected  to  be down  400  jobs.  She  noted that  she  had                                                                    
written the forecast several weeks  back and since that time                                                                    
additional information  had come  for 2025 showing  that job                                                                    
losses were much steeper [than the 400 shown on the slide].                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage asked  if the information was  for 2026 and                                                                    
did not look forward.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wiebold replied that it  was for 2026 and looked forward                                                                    
because it had been compiled in 2025.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked Ms. Wiebold to  repeat her last                                                                    
point related to a decline.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Wiebold replied  that after  losing  what the  division                                                                    
believed to  be 300 federal  jobs in 2025, it  projected the                                                                    
loss of  an additional 400  jobs in 2026. When  the division                                                                    
had compiled the forecast, it  had been working with limited                                                                    
preliminary data.  Based on additional  information received                                                                    
by the  division, she projected  that federal job  losses in                                                                    
2026 would be much steeper.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:17:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wiebold  noted that  3,900 jobs were  added in  2025 and                                                                    
3,000  were  added in  2026,  reflecting  a slowing  in  job                                                                    
growth.  She  moved to  a  chart  on  slide 9  showing  that                                                                    
Alaska's job  growth rate topped  and then matched  the U.S.                                                                    
The slide showed a decade  of U.S. average annual job growth                                                                    
compared  to  Alaska. Alaska  was  represented  by the  dark                                                                    
purple line  and the U.S. was  shown as a dotted  blue line.                                                                    
The slide  showed that Alaska had  underperformed the nation                                                                    
until  fairly  recently.  She detailed  that  recently  when                                                                    
Alaska's job growth slightly outperformed  the nation it was                                                                    
more  reflective  of  the  national  rate  slowing  than  of                                                                    
anything  Alaska  was  doing in  particular.  In  2025,  the                                                                    
preliminary numbers  showed Alaska  and the U.S.  growing at                                                                    
about  1.2  percent.  The division  was  forecasting  slower                                                                    
growth  of .8  percent for  Alaska in  the coming  year; the                                                                    
U.S. was also looking at slowing.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson asked  if Ms.  Wiebold  worked with  Dan                                                                    
Robinson.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wiebold responded affirmatively.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  looked at slide 8  and referenced the                                                                    
oil  and gas  jobs  rate.  She asked  how  the specific  job                                                                    
growth  would   contribute  to  the  state's   economy.  She                                                                    
understood  it  would  not  necessarily  contribute  to  UGF                                                                    
revenue because  the state did  not have an income  tax. She                                                                    
wondered what  the state may  be losing with respect  to the                                                                    
substantial decline in federal jobs.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Wiebold  answered that  in  some  ways the  answer  was                                                                    
straightforward. The  average wage was roughly  $175,000 for                                                                    
oil  and gas  jobs and  the department  was forecasting  the                                                                    
jobs to  increase by 1,000. She  noted that the oil  and gas                                                                    
industry was  heavily reliant  on non-resident  workers. She                                                                    
estimated that  about one-third of the  increased jobs would                                                                    
go to non-resident workers. She  highlighted an article that                                                                    
she and  her colleagues had  written during the  past summer                                                                    
looking  at federal  employment across  Alaska. She  relayed                                                                    
that  federal  employment  wages varied  significantly.  She                                                                    
detailed that some of the  highest paid workers were located                                                                    
at the U.S.  borders outside of Skagway and  Haines and some                                                                    
of the  lowest paid  positions were  in rural  post offices.                                                                    
There were about 15,500 federal  employees in Alaska and the                                                                    
loss of  1,000 to 1,500 of  the positions over the  next two                                                                    
years   reflected    considerable   losses.    The   state's                                                                    
relationship  with  the  federal  government  extended  past                                                                    
civilian employment.  There was  a strong  military presence                                                                    
in  Alaska  with  between  20,000  and  21,000  active  duty                                                                    
troops. There  were about 59,000 veterans  living in Alaska,                                                                    
which reflected  the highest percentage  of veterans  in the                                                                    
country.  She  added that  the  U.S.  Department of  Defense                                                                    
(DOD)  also   supported  the   largest  group   of  civilian                                                                    
employees   in   Alaska   at   around   6,000   individuals.                                                                    
Additionally,  there were  numerous grant  contracts through                                                                    
DOD and the university.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:21:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  asked  if the  department  had  data                                                                    
showing how  many of the oil  and gas jobs were  filled with                                                                    
Alaskans versus out of state workers.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Wiebold  highlighted  that   the  residency  of  Alaska                                                                    
workers report was coming out  the following week, which was                                                                    
in depth and would answer  the question. She stated that the                                                                    
ballpark was about 30 to 35 percent.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson   asked  if   Ms.  Wiebold   had  stated                                                                    
something about Skagway border customs workers.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Wiebold  replied  that  the  border  agents  posted  in                                                                    
Skagway and Haines were the  highest paid federal workers in                                                                    
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson was surprised to hear the information.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wiebold added that the  highest concentration of federal                                                                    
workers was  located in the  Hoonah-Angoon Census  Area. She                                                                    
asked members if they could guess why.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:23:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan replied, "U.S. Forest Service."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Wiebold  confirmed  that  it was  due  to  Glacier  Bay                                                                    
National  Park.  She elaborated  that  there  were very  few                                                                    
private  employers located  in the  particular census  area.                                                                    
She brought  some copies of  the department's  federal jobs,                                                                    
forecast, and November fishing edition.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked if it  was still true  that the                                                                    
Hoonah census  area had  the highest  percentage of  PhDs in                                                                    
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wiebold responded that she did not know.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan   elaborated  that  it   was  because                                                                    
Glacier  Bay National  Park had  a high  number of  PhDs who                                                                    
came to work and decided to stay.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin asked  about  gender  and wages.  She                                                                    
asked if  there was recent  data around how much  women made                                                                    
compared to men for the same job.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wiebold  answered that she  was responsible  for writing                                                                    
the  specific reports,  which were  fairly labor  intensive.                                                                    
She  typically  wrote the  reports  several  years apart  in                                                                    
order to  have an opportunity  to hopefully see a  period of                                                                    
change. The  last report was  several years old.  She shared                                                                    
that she  wanted to do a  retrospective soon to see  how the                                                                    
pandemic  impacted  men  and  women  differently.  The  most                                                                    
recent  analysis, apart  from a  small one  on women  in the                                                                    
construction  industry, looked  at  how men  and women  went                                                                    
through the  state recession  differently. She  relayed that                                                                    
the  biggest improvement  in the  gender gap  wage disparity                                                                    
occurred  at   the  end  of  the   recession;  however,  the                                                                    
recession disproportionately  impacted high income  men. She                                                                    
elaborated  that  oil and  gas  and  construction jobs  were                                                                    
taken out  of the  equation and men  earned less  money. She                                                                    
explained that women were not  earning a whole lot more, but                                                                    
comparatively  it looked  good.  She stated  those were  the                                                                    
types   of  things   that  were   important  to   take  into                                                                    
consideration when  looking at  what was taking  place, what                                                                    
the drivers were, and whether or not the numbers were                                                                           
reflective of what economists hoped they were, which was                                                                        
some change in the overall conditions.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:26:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin asked when to expect the next more                                                                        
comprehensive study.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wiebold replied that there was not a set date yet, but                                                                      
she would provide links to the most recent studies.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson thanked the presenters. He reviewed the                                                                      
schedule for the following day.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:27:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:27 p.m.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
DOLWD_FY2027 Overview House Finance Committee_2026_0128 FINAL.pdf HFIN 1/28/2026 1:30:00 PM
HFIN Overview DOL-Graphs -LFD 012826.pdf HFIN 1/28/2026 1:30:00 PM
HFIN Budget Overview DOL Graphs LFD 012826
HFIN Budget Overview DOL-FY 26 Mid YR StatusReport 012826.pdf HFIN 1/28/2026 1:30:00 PM
DOLWD Jobs Forcast & UI Overview Presentation H Finance.pdf HFIN 1/28/2026 1:30:00 PM
DOLWD Response to HFC Questions from 2026_0128.pdf HFIN 1/28/2026 1:30:00 PM
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