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01/24/2025 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:31:29 PM Start
01:32:54 PM Overview: Governor's Fy 2026 Operating Budget by Office of Management and Budget
03:26:50 PM Adjourn
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+ Overview: Governor’s FY 2026 Operating Budget TELECONFERENCED
by Lacey Sanders, Director; Office of Management
Budget
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     January 24, 2025                                                                                           
                         1:31 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:31:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  called   the  House  Finance  Committee                                                                    
meeting to order at 1:31 p.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Andy Josephson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Calvin Schrage, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Jamie Allard                                                                                                     
Representative Jeremy Bynum                                                                                                     
Representative Alyse Galvin                                                                                                     
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Nellie Unangiq Jimmie                                                                                            
Representative DeLena Johnson                                                                                                   
Representative Will Stapp                                                                                                       
Representative Frank Tomaszewski                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Lacey Sanders,  Director, Office  of Management  and Budget,                                                                    
Office   of   the    Governor;   Pam   Halloran,   Assistant                                                                    
Commissioner, Department of Health.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Marian Sweet,  Assistant Commissioner, Department  of Family                                                                    
and Community Services;  Brent Goodrum, Deputy Commissioner,                                                                    
Department  of Natural  Resources;  Bryan Fisher,  Director,                                                                    
Division  of  Homeland  Security and  Emergency  Management,                                                                    
Department   of  Military   and  Veterans   Affairs;  Dianna                                                                    
Thornton,  Administrative Services  Director, Department  of                                                                    
Public   Safety;   Dom  Pannone,   Administrative   Services                                                                    
Director,   Department   of    Transportation   and   Public                                                                    
Facilities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW: GOVERNOR'S  FY 2026 OPERATING BUDGET  BY OFFICE OF                                                                    
MANAGEMENT and BUDGET                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  relayed that the committee  would hear a                                                                    
presentation on  the FY 26 governor's  operating budget. The                                                                    
second  part   of  the  presentation  would   be  heard  the                                                                    
following Monday afternoon.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW: GOVERNOR'S FY 2026  OPERATING BUDGET BY OFFICE OF                                                                  
MANAGEMENT and BUDGET                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:32:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson asked Ms. Sanders  to join the meeting at                                                                    
the testifier table.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
LACEY SANDERS,  DIRECTOR, OFFICE  OF MANAGEMENT  AND BUDGET,                                                                    
OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR,  introduced herself and relayed that                                                                    
administrative   services  directors   were  available   for                                                                    
detailed  department questions.  She  provided a  PowerPoint                                                                    
presentation titled  "State of  Alaska Office  of Management                                                                    
and  Budget:  Overview  of the  FY2026  Governor's  Budget,"                                                                    
dated January 24, 2025 (copy  on file). She relayed that the                                                                    
governor was  statutorily required  to release a  budget for                                                                    
the  next  fiscal year  on  December  15th every  year.  The                                                                    
governor's FY 26  budget was released on  December 12, 2024.                                                                    
The  budget  consisted  of  the  operating,  mental  health,                                                                    
capital, and  fast track supplemental bills.  The numbers in                                                                    
the presentation encompassed all four appropriation bills.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Sanders  relayed   that  the   budget  reflected   the                                                                    
governor's  priorities including  reducing crime,  improving                                                                    
educational  outcomes,   passing  a  balanced   budget,  and                                                                    
bringing outside investment to Alaska.  The FY 26 budget was                                                                    
a reflection of  those investments to build  a better Alaska                                                                    
for residents and future generations.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:35:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  moved to an  FY 26  fiscal summary on  slide 2.                                                                    
She  explained that  the document  showed the  highest level                                                                    
summary  provided by  the Office  of  Management and  Budget                                                                    
(OMB)  including all  revenues  and expenditures  associated                                                                    
with the budget.  The right side of the  slide reflected the                                                                    
FY  25  budget  enacted  by  the  legislature  the  previous                                                                    
session. The  FY 25 portion  of the summary also  included a                                                                    
few  supplemental   items  she  would  address   during  the                                                                    
presentation. She noted that  supplemental requests were due                                                                    
                     th                                                                                                         
by statute on  the 15   day of session (February  4th of the                                                                    
current  session).  She  noted  there  would  be  additional                                                                    
supplemental  requests  from  the   governor  prior  to  the                                                                    
          th                                                                                                                    
February 4   deadline. The three supplemental existing items                                                                    
totaled  $75   million  including  $60  million   in  agency                                                                    
operations  and $15  million  in  statewide operations.  The                                                                    
left side of  the summary showed the  governor's proposed FY                                                                    
26 budget  that would begin  on July 1,  2025. Additionally,                                                                    
the slide showed a comparison  of unrestricted general funds                                                                    
(UGF) in FY 25 and FY 26 on the far right of the summary.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  explained  that  in   order  to  simplify  the                                                                    
hundreds of fund codes used  for tracking in the budget, OMB                                                                    
and  the  Legislative  Finance  Division  (LFD)  categorized                                                                    
funding  into  four  categories  including  UGF,  designated                                                                    
general funds  (DGF), other receipts, and  federal receipts.                                                                    
She detailed  that federal, other,  and DGF  funding sources                                                                    
were more  limited in their  use and were  mostly designated                                                                    
for a specific  purpose in statute; they  were also required                                                                    
to  have  a  specific  revenue   source  or  receipt  to  be                                                                    
collected  for use  on a  given purpose.  She detailed  that                                                                    
revenues  for  those  sources equaled  expenditures  in  the                                                                    
fiscal summary.  She highlighted that the  primary focus was                                                                    
UGF and it did not have any restrictions.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:38:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  observed  that   slide  2  showed  a                                                                    
deficit  of  $1.52  billion  [for  FY  26].  She  noted  the                                                                    
governor   had   submitted   a  $75   million   fast   track                                                                    
supplemental. She understood that  the governor would likely                                                                    
submit an additional supplemental  request. She did not know                                                                    
what the  second supplemental  would look  like in  terms of                                                                    
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders would  address all of the  points throughout the                                                                    
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  noted  there were  two  supplemental                                                                    
requests listed for  the FY 25 fast  track supplemental. She                                                                    
asked  if either  of the  items  were rolled  into the  base                                                                    
budget for FY 26.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders replied that there  were three supplementals she                                                                    
would discuss during the presentation.  One of the items was                                                                    
requested  in the  base  and  she would  address  it in  the                                                                    
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Schrage   asked   for   verification   that   the                                                                    
supplemental  requests impacted  the  projected deficit  for                                                                    
the current  fiscal year, FY  25. He asked  for verification                                                                    
that any  additional supplemental requests would  impact the                                                                    
FY 25 budget.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  confirmed that  supplementals all  impacted the                                                                    
current year.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage  noted that it  would continue to  drive up                                                                    
the deficit and put the  state in a worse financial position                                                                    
for  FY  26. He  asked  how  many  millions of  dollars  the                                                                    
additional supplementals would be.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders answered that she did  not have the total at the                                                                    
current  point.  For example,  the  timing  of the  Medicaid                                                                    
projection provided  to the legislature  included a  need of                                                                    
about $14 million in the  current year. She relayed that OMB                                                                    
was  going  through the  process  of  reviewing all  of  the                                                                    
agencies' budgets  to determine whether potential  needs may                                                                    
be  able to  be absorbed  and where  agencies were  in their                                                                    
projections for  the year. There  were numerous  pieces that                                                                    
went into gathering the information  for a presentation when                                                                    
the statutory deadline hits.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:41:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage  asked if the  deficit was filled  with the                                                                    
state's savings accounts.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders answered  that  she would  address  slide 2  in                                                                    
depth,   which  would   address  some   of  the   questions.                                                                    
Currently, the  governor's budget  proposed a draw  from the                                                                    
Constitutional  Budget  Reserve   (CBR).  The  estimate  OMB                                                                    
utilized was  a number from  the Division of  Finance, which                                                                    
showed  a   CBR  balance  of  approximately   $2.8  billion.                                                                    
Currently, the FY 25 supplementals  and the FY 26 deficit of                                                                    
$1.5 billion would be drawn from the CBR.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:42:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders continued to review  slide 2. The fiscal summary                                                                    
was  broken down  into four  categories including  revenues,                                                                    
expenditures,   Permanent  Fund   appropriations,  and   the                                                                    
surplus/deficit. She  detailed that  OMB used the  fall 2024                                                                    
revenue  forecast  prepared  by the  Department  of  Revenue                                                                    
(DOR), which resulted in $2.6 billion  UGF in FY 25 and $2.4                                                                    
billion UGF  in FY  26. The slide  reflected the  percent of                                                                    
market  value  (POMV)  transfer from  the  Earnings  Reserve                                                                    
Account (ERA)  of $3.6  billion for FY  25 and  $3.8 billion                                                                    
for  FY  26. The  total  UGF  revenue  was just  under  $6.3                                                                    
billion for FY 25 and $6.2 billion for FY 26.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders relayed  that  the fiscal  summary  on slide  2                                                                    
showed  operating   and  capital  expenditures.   She  would                                                                    
provide highlights of significant  changes in the budgets on                                                                    
the  upcoming  slides. Total  expenditures  for  FY 25  were                                                                    
about  $5.4 billion  or about  $5.5  billion when  including                                                                    
supplementals.  Total  expenditures  for  FY  26  were  $5.2                                                                    
billion  for  FY  26.  The  information  showed  an  overall                                                                    
deficit in the  budget of $280 million  when comparing year-                                                                    
to-year. The  overall change could  be attributed  mostly to                                                                    
numerous one-time  items appropriated by the  legislature in                                                                    
2024  that were  being removed  from the  budget. She  noted                                                                    
there were  substantial increases in maintaining  the budget                                                                    
that were carried  forward into the next  year. For example,                                                                    
there  were   over  $100   million  in   salary  adjustments                                                                    
associated  with the  increase  in  employees' salaries,  of                                                                    
that amount,  $62 million  was UGF.  She explained  that the                                                                    
fiscal summary provided a high  level picture of the budget;                                                                    
there were numerous factors to  consider when looking at the                                                                    
differences  from  year-to-year.  There tended  to  be  very                                                                    
detailed conversations  in House Finance  Committee meetings                                                                    
and in the budget subcommittee process.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:46:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders addressed  the  Permanent  Fund Dividend  (PFD)                                                                    
appropriations  on  slide  2.  In  FY  25,  the  legislature                                                                    
specified the amount  of the PFD with  a total appropriation                                                                    
of $914  million. The governor's  FY 26 budget  included the                                                                    
full statutory  PFD totaling $2.5  billion. She  stated that                                                                    
the governor continued to advocate  for a full statutory PFD                                                                    
to  follow  the  existing  law. There  were  fund  transfers                                                                    
between  accounts  and  the  surplus/deficit  shown  at  the                                                                    
bottom of the slide. She  explained that when the budget was                                                                    
signed  into   law  the  previous  year,   the  surplus  was                                                                    
approximately $150  million. Since that time,  the fall 2024                                                                    
revenue  forecast showed  a decrease  of approximately  $220                                                                    
million  from the  spring 2024  forecast. Additionally,  the                                                                    
three supplemental  items further  impacted the  budget. She                                                                    
explained that  as a result  of the decrease in  revenue and                                                                    
the  supplementals, there  was  a proposed  deficit of  $150                                                                    
million. The governor's budget  proposed funding the deficit                                                                    
with funds from the CBR.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin thought  the committee  had heard  in                                                                    
the past day or so that  the number may be adjusted based on                                                                    
a change  in oil price.  She asked about the  dollar figure.                                                                    
She thought it was a little more positive than it looked.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  answered that  DOR  would  release an  updated                                                                    
spring forecast in March incorporating  the higher price per                                                                    
barrel that had been occurring.  She did not have an updated                                                                    
number  at the  moment because  it had  only been  one month                                                                    
since  the  fall revenue  forecast  had  been released.  She                                                                    
highlighted  that  the  governor's  proposed  budget  was  a                                                                    
starting  point  reflecting  a  point in  time  in  the  DOR                                                                    
Revenue  Sources  Book.  She  relayed  that  as  the  budget                                                                    
process progressed including  supplementals, amendments, and                                                                    
the updated  spring forecast,  there would  be a  more solid                                                                    
picture of the budget.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:49:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage considered  that expenditures were expected                                                                    
to increase due to some  additional supplementals for FY 25.                                                                    
He asked if  there were any other big holes  expected on the                                                                    
expenditure  side for  FY 26.  He  asked at  what level  the                                                                    
governor's budget funded education.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders replied  that  the budget  was  built based  on                                                                    
current  statute. The  budget  included  the statutory  Base                                                                    
Student  Allocation (BSA).  She  elaborated  that OMB  would                                                                    
bring forward any  known amendments to bring the  FY 26 into                                                                    
a line. There were  currently several bargaining units under                                                                    
negotiation. Until the negotiations  were complete she could                                                                    
not bring amendments to the  committee and could not predict                                                                    
what the outcome of the negotiations would be.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage  respected the position of  putting forward                                                                    
what was in  statute, but he thought that for  the public at                                                                    
home there  had to be  some acknowledgement that it  was not                                                                    
realistic.  For example,  he believed  most people  were not                                                                    
expecting  the  legislature to  just  pay  out what  was  in                                                                    
statute for  education. He  highlighted that  it would  be a                                                                    
cut  in education  funding over  the last  year. He  did not                                                                    
know that  it was the  best approach in order  to understand                                                                    
the fiscal  reality facing the  state. There would be  a lot                                                                    
of work to do.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:52:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  moved to a  budget lookback of the  state's UGF                                                                    
budget  and  revenue  from  FY  19  through  FY  26  in  the                                                                    
governor's proposed budget  (slide 3). A chart  on the slide                                                                    
reflected   a   slight    increase   in   state   operations                                                                    
(represented by  the light  blue portion  of the  bars). The                                                                    
yellow   portion   of   the   bars   represented   statewide                                                                    
operations. She highlighted  that the state had  done a good                                                                    
job at  repaying the  oil and gas  tax credits  and bringing                                                                    
its debt service payments down,  resulting in a lower amount                                                                    
necessary  for  statewide  items.  The  capital  budget  had                                                                    
fluctuated year  to year depending on  the revenue forecast.                                                                    
She explained that the approach  tended to be ensuring there                                                                    
was sufficient  funding to address the  operating budget and                                                                    
then  funding the  capital budget  for things  like matching                                                                    
funds required  to meet  federal grant  awards. Occasionally                                                                    
there  was sufficient  funding to  put more  towards capital                                                                    
projects  (capital  budget  funds were  reflected  in  light                                                                    
green). The  dark blue  portion of  the bar  represented the                                                                    
PFD, which had varied by year.  She noted that the FY 26 bar                                                                    
on the right included a full statutory PFD.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  looked at slide  3 and asked  noted that                                                                    
in  the couple  of  years  prior to  FY  19  there had  been                                                                    
numerous cuts  late in the former  Walker administration. He                                                                    
asked if  agency operations were  smaller than at  that time                                                                    
in the past  or whether they were beyond that  number due to                                                                    
salary increases and fiscal notes.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  answered that she  had looked at not  looked at                                                                    
the  state as  a whole,  but she  had looked  at the  public                                                                    
safety  departments     a  priority   of  the  governor's  -                                                                    
including  Department   of  Public  Safety,   Department  of                                                                    
Corrections, and Department of  Law. She reported that those                                                                    
departments   were  substantially   above  where   the  past                                                                    
reductions had been;  they were ahead of where  the cuts had                                                                    
brought the numbers down to.   She had not looked closely at                                                                    
other  agencies,  but she  offered  to  follow up  with  the                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson   remarked  that  there   were  numerous                                                                    
variables with inflation  and the like. He  thought it would                                                                    
be interesting  to see  whether the  funding was  at Parnell                                                                    
administration levels  or in  the first  year of  the Walker                                                                    
administration in  FY 15. He  remarked many  legislators had                                                                    
constituents who  wanted cuts to government.  He pointed out                                                                    
that the legislature had made  cuts frequently and certainly                                                                    
a couple  of years  back. He was  curious about  the overall                                                                    
picture.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Galvin  was   interested  in   the  capital                                                                    
spending shown in green (slide  3). She believed Ms. Sanders                                                                    
had  stated that  sometimes  there had  been  the luxury  of                                                                    
adding more funding.  She understood the state  had about $9                                                                    
billion worth  of property that  it needed to  maintain. She                                                                    
asked  what  portion  of  the  capital  spend  had  been  on                                                                    
deferred maintenance.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  did not have  a percentage  off the top  of her                                                                    
head. She  relayed that several  years back  the legislature                                                                    
had  passed a  law putting  a  portion of  the Amerada  Hess                                                                    
settlement  funds   into  the   Capital  Income   Fund.  She                                                                    
explained that the funds were  DGF and were not reflected on                                                                    
slide 3. There  had been annual investment  ranging from $20                                                                    
million to $30 million  into deferred maintenance. She noted                                                                    
that  the funding  had  perhaps  not gone  to  the scope  of                                                                    
specific  deferred maintenance  capital  projects she  could                                                                    
tie it to.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:57:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  had  heard globally  that  somewhere                                                                    
between  2 to  4  percent  of the  value  of state  property                                                                    
should  be  spent  to  maintain it.  Based  on  the  numbers                                                                    
provided by  Ms. Sanders, she  observed that  investment had                                                                    
not reached  that amount.  She wanted  to ensure  the public                                                                    
was aware  that capital  spending was  not always  about new                                                                    
buildings, but about protecting existing infrastructure.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  stated   his  understanding  that  when                                                                    
considering deferred maintenance  spending the public should                                                                    
look  at the  capital  budget and  the  Capital Income  Fund                                                                    
appropriations.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:58:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  moved to a swoop  graph of the total  UGF spent                                                                    
in  the governor's  FY  26 budget  by  state agencies,  debt                                                                    
service,  and retirement  payments (slide  4). She  reported                                                                    
that   K-12    foundation   formula   funding    and   pupil                                                                    
transportation under  the Department of Education  and Early                                                                    
Development  (DEED) and  Medicaid  under  the Department  of                                                                    
Health (DOH)  continued to be  the two primary  cost drivers                                                                    
in the  state operating  budget. Both programs  were formula                                                                    
funded,  reflected  in  orange  on  the  slide.  Non-formula                                                                    
agency  costs   were  shown  in   blue.  The   state's  K-12                                                                    
foundation  formula and  pupil  transportation program  were                                                                    
funded in  the budget at  the statutory BSA level  of $5,960                                                                    
[per student].                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage asked how  the presentation defined formula                                                                    
versus non-formula.  He asked if  formula only  pertained to                                                                    
the BSA and anything federal such as Medicaid/Medicare.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders responded  that during  its budget  development                                                                    
process OMB  looked at the individual  appropriations in the                                                                    
bill to  determine whether there  was a formula  driving the                                                                    
amount  the  state  was  obligated   to  pay.  There  was  a                                                                    
statutory  formula  for  the BSA  and  pupil  transportation                                                                    
requiring  the  state  to  pay  a  certain  amount.  Another                                                                    
example  was  state  retirement payments,  where  a  formula                                                                    
drove the amount appropriated on an annual basis.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:01:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  observed  that  the  Permanent  Fund                                                                    
Dividend  (PFD)  formula funding  was  not  included on  the                                                                    
graph on  slide 4. She asked  if it was included  on another                                                                    
slide  and  what  percentage  of  the  operating  budget  it                                                                    
comprised.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders responded that she  did not have the information                                                                    
included in  the presentation.  It was  the administration's                                                                    
perspective that  it was the  state's obligation to  pay the                                                                    
statutory PFD. She did not have a number available.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Hannan  requested   the  information.   She                                                                    
pointed  out  that  slide  4 showed  that  the  two  formula                                                                    
programs  [K-12  and  Medicaid]   were  38  percent  of  the                                                                    
operating budget.  She wanted to  see what the  proposed PFD                                                                    
was as a percent of the operating budget.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders would follow up with the information.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  asked if the PFD  appropriation had to                                                                    
be part of the operating  budget or if the legislature chose                                                                    
to make it part of the operating budget.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders replied there was  a court case determining that                                                                    
the  governor was  required to  follow the  existing statute                                                                    
and  put [the  PFD]  forward in  the  operating budget.  She                                                                    
stated that the legislature  had the power of appropriation,                                                                    
and the  governor did  not. The  legislature could  make the                                                                    
choice  on  how  to  fund the  PFD  (e.g.,  capital  budget,                                                                    
operating  budget,  or  a single  appropriation  bill).  She                                                                    
highlighted  that  the legislature  also  had  the power  of                                                                    
enacting legislation to change  the statute if it determined                                                                    
there should be something else in law.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp addressed  the Medicaid  liability. He                                                                    
stated  his understanding  that DOH  had concluded  or would                                                                    
shortly conclude a permanent rate  increase through the rate                                                                    
study across  the board. He  asked if there was  an estimate                                                                    
of what it looked like.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders   answered  that   the  information   would  be                                                                    
available on February 19.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:04:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson asked how  Medicaid rate adjustments made                                                                    
by regulation were paid for.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders responded that there  was a perpetual process of                                                                    
bringing  things  back  throughout the  process  of  setting                                                                    
rates.  She explained  that the  administration may  need to                                                                    
come  back  to  the   legislature  with  a  supplemental  if                                                                    
something  were to  change. She  elaborated that  the budget                                                                    
reflected  what  the  administration had  the  authority  to                                                                    
spend. She  stated that  if it did  not have  the authority,                                                                    
the  administration would  have to  ask the  legislature for                                                                    
the additional authority.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:05:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  moved to  slide  5  and addressed  significant                                                                    
operating budget  highlights. She began with  the Department                                                                    
of  Administration (DOA)  including $513,600  UGF for  three                                                                    
administrative and  legal support  positions to  assist with                                                                    
increased workload  at the Office of  Public Advocacy (OPA).                                                                    
The second DOA increment was  $450,000 for guardian ad litem                                                                    
positions,  which  advocate  for  Children in  Need  of  Aid                                                                    
(CINA) cases  becoming overtime  eligible. She  relayed that                                                                    
the positions  were reviewed by DOA's  Division of Personnel                                                                    
in a  class study  and the positions  were determined  to be                                                                    
eligible for  overtime. Additional  authority was  needed to                                                                    
cover the overtime cost associated with the positions.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  moved to the Department  of Commerce, Community                                                                    
and Economic  Development (DCCED).  The first  increment was                                                                    
$50 million UGF to  Alaska Industrial Development and Export                                                                    
Authority  (AIDEA)  to  provide  a backstop  for  Front  End                                                                    
Engineering work  toward a Final Investment  Decision on the                                                                    
Alaska Liquified  Natural Gas (AKLNG) Pipeline  project over                                                                    
FY 25  to FY  27. She  noted that  energy development  was a                                                                    
priority  of   the  governor.   The  second   increment  was                                                                    
$2,487,500  to   restore  the  Alaska   Gasline  Development                                                                    
Corporation's (AGDC) operating  funding to provide continued                                                                    
efforts on  AKLNG. She explained  that the funding  had been                                                                    
provided the previous  year as a one-time  increment and the                                                                    
governor's   budget   included    an   additional   one-time                                                                    
increment.   The  budget   also   included  a   supplemental                                                                    
multiyear  increment  of  $10 million  UGF  for  the  Alaska                                                                    
Seafood   Marketing   Institute   (ASMI)  to   implement   a                                                                    
comprehensive marketing  plan for  wild Alaska  seafood from                                                                    
FY 25  to FY 27.  She relayed that  the prior session  a $10                                                                    
million   appropriation  had   been  put   forward  by   the                                                                    
legislature and it  had been vetoed by  the governor pending                                                                    
a  review   and  ASMI   bringing  forward   a  comprehensive                                                                    
marketing plan over the interim.  The work had been done and                                                                    
the administration  was including  the $10 million  for ASMI                                                                    
to start the work.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:08:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp noted  that the $50 million  was in the                                                                    
fast track supplemental  bill. He did not see  why it needed                                                                    
to be fast tracked. He asked for an explanation.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders answered  that the increment was  intended to be                                                                    
in the fast track supplemental  given the timing AGDC needed                                                                    
in  order to  move forward  with negotiations.  She deferred                                                                    
detailed questions to the directors of AGDC and AIDEA.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp  found  it   weird  to  see  multiyear                                                                    
appropriation combined with the  word "fast." He stated that                                                                    
it was not fast.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Johnson asked how  the $50 million figure had                                                                    
been reached.  She was curious  why it was fast  tracked and                                                                    
whether the funding would sit  there or have some associated                                                                    
goals.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders replied  that AGDC  and AIDEA  would follow  up                                                                    
with answers.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked about the $2,487,500.  He asked if                                                                    
the legislature  moved all AGDC funding  to one-time funding                                                                    
in FY 25.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders responded affirmatively  and relayed the funding                                                                    
in FY 25 was a one-time appropriation.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson asked  if it was the first  time AGDC had                                                                    
been exposed to one-time funding for the entire agency.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders replied that  [Department of Commerce, Community                                                                    
and Economic  Development] administrative  services director                                                                    
Hannah  Lager indicated  it  was  possibly one-time  funding                                                                    
previously.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked if the increment  would restore it                                                                    
as base funding.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders replied in the negative.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:11:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  moved  to increments  for  the  Department  of                                                                    
Corrections (DOC).  She relayed  that OMB  and DOC  had been                                                                    
working  closely to  address  DOC's  budget projections  and                                                                    
ensure   there   were    accurate   calculations   for   the                                                                    
department's  budget  proposals.  The   first  item  was  an                                                                    
additional  $3,900,000  for   the  Alaska  Public  Employees                                                                    
Association   supervisory    union   collective   bargaining                                                                    
agreement.  There was  a previous  year budgetary  structure                                                                    
change that moved  all of the overtime for DOC  into its own                                                                    
allocation. Due to  the change, OMB was  unable to calculate                                                                    
personal services on a PCN  [position control number] by PCN                                                                    
basis  that   it  prepared   salary  adjustments   for.  She                                                                    
explained the situation resulted  in the under projection of                                                                    
the  costs for  the supervisory  positions by  $3.9 million.                                                                    
She relayed that OMB was moving  all of the overtime back to                                                                    
the  institutions in  the budget  where  the positions  were                                                                    
actually  budgeted   for  to  ensure  there   were  monetary                                                                    
calculations done correctly moving forward.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp asked  how it had not  been possible to                                                                    
calculate payroll  just because a  line item was  broken out                                                                    
in a different area on a spreadsheet.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders   answered  that  the  monetary   terms  for  a                                                                    
bargaining unit  agreement were calculated  by OMB on  a PCN                                                                    
by PCN  basis. All of  the overtime costs for  the positions                                                                    
were  moved to  a  different location;  therefore, when  the                                                                    
calculation was  run, it missed the  overtime. She explained                                                                    
that a  better calculation was  obtained by moving  each PCN                                                                    
to show the corresponding amount of overtime per PCN.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp  stated  his  understanding  that  the                                                                    
money  for  overtime   was  split  out  in   order  for  the                                                                    
legislature  to   monitor  what  had  been   "atrocious  and                                                                    
excessive" overtime hours in DOC.  He asked for verification                                                                    
that the  software program had  been run and it  had assumed                                                                    
there was no overtime associated  with a single position. He                                                                    
asked  if it  was a  supplemental request  was for  overtime                                                                    
hours incurred in FY 25.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders responded  that OMB  was working  through every                                                                    
aspect  of   the  department's  budget  to   ensure  it  was                                                                    
calculating things  correctly in order  to come back  to the                                                                    
committee  with  an  accurate number.  She  noted  that  the                                                                    
legislature  had  included  intent  language in  the  FY  25                                                                    
budget;   therefore,  OMB   was   reporting  payroll   costs                                                                    
(including  regular pay  and overtime)  by institution  on a                                                                    
monthly basis.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:15:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Galvin  was   very   aware   of  how   hard                                                                    
correctional officers  were working and she  appreciated how                                                                    
much supervisory officers were having  to make up when there                                                                    
was short  staffing. She  thought it  was important  for the                                                                    
legislature to consider putting more  money in the lower "on                                                                    
the ground level"  workers to reduce the  amount of overtime                                                                    
and issues around  recruitment and retention. She  was a bit                                                                    
put off by the size of  the funding increment going into UGF                                                                    
for supervisory positions when she  was also concerned about                                                                    
the broader  picture of supporting  [correctional] officers.                                                                    
She wanted to  see a deeper dive. She  recognized that slide                                                                    
5  was showing  budget highlights  and she  hoped there  was                                                                    
information not  reflected on the  slide. She  stressed that                                                                    
the increment [of $3.9 million UGF] was a lot of money.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  confirmed that  the slide  only showed  a small                                                                    
number  of   highlighted  items  within   each  department's                                                                    
budget. She  pointed out that  the FY 26 included  over $100                                                                    
million in salary  adjustments and $61 million  of the total                                                                    
was  associated  with  UGF.  She  relayed  that  there  were                                                                    
bargaining unit agreement  increases for employees' salaries                                                                    
to continue to increase year-to-year.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  shared  that  she  would  chair  the                                                                    
subcommittee for DOC. She stated  her understanding that the                                                                    
$3.9  million  was  not the  overtime  pay  for  corrections                                                                    
officers,  which was  accounted for  in the  budget actions.                                                                    
She asked for verification  that the increment reflected the                                                                    
standby pay  for supervisory, which was  related to overtime                                                                    
but not the same thing.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Hannan  presumed   the  peer   support  and                                                                    
wellness  program [shown  under DOC  highlights on  slide 5]                                                                    
was for DOC  employees. She asked if the  program would grow                                                                    
in the second year or remain the same size.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders relayed  that the increment was  $500,000 UGF to                                                                    
establish  a   peer  support   and  wellness   program.  She                                                                    
confirmed  that the  program was  for  [DOC] employees.  She                                                                    
explained that it was the start  of the program, and she did                                                                    
not  have an  answer to  the second  part of  Representative                                                                    
Hannan's question.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  was happy  to  wait  to discuss  the                                                                    
topic in subcommittee.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson recalled  that  about one  year ago  DOC                                                                    
needed  a substantial  infusion of  supplemental dollars  in                                                                    
the  tens  of  millions  of  dollars  range  for  population                                                                    
management. He  thought the current increment  looked fairly                                                                    
modest comparatively.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  confirmed  that  there  had  been  substantial                                                                    
supplementals that  were talked about the  previous session.                                                                    
She reported  that OMB  had been  working closely  with DOC;                                                                    
there were other  increases as well. She  explained that OMB                                                                    
had  been working  with DOC  to  ensure it  was tracking  in                                                                    
alignment with the budget to  ensure the budget presented to                                                                    
the committee reflected what expenditures would be.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:20:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum asked  if there  was evaluation  being                                                                    
done  to see  if there  would  be a  long-term cost  savings                                                                    
effect  by  including  peer support  and  wellness  and  the                                                                    
expansion of  vocational support  programs. He was  happy to                                                                    
see the expansion of vocational programs listed.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  responded in the  negative, but she  thought it                                                                    
was a  very good point.  She highlighted the last  bullet on                                                                    
slide  5   showing  an  increment  of   $850,000  to  expand                                                                    
vocational programming and  training opportunities for 2,500                                                                    
inmates.  She  explained   that  throughout  the  governor's                                                                    
budget  there were  several vocational  education items  for                                                                    
the  Department  of  Labor  and  Workforce  Development  and                                                                    
Department of  Education and Early Development.  She relayed                                                                    
that   the  governor   was  excited   and   wanted  to   see                                                                    
opportunities for vocational  education throughout the state                                                                    
in  order to  increase the  state's workforce  and fill  the                                                                    
needs where there  may be holes currently.  The $850,000 was                                                                    
meant   for   coding,  software   development,   electrical,                                                                    
plumbing, and  carpentry classes.  She relayed that  OMB did                                                                    
not  have a  report or  tracking, but  it was  something the                                                                    
administration  could  consider  in order  to  see  outcomes                                                                    
downstream.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson asked  for verification  that there  had                                                                    
been a veto  of $700,000 for DOC vocational  training in the                                                                    
FY 25 budget.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  relayed that there  was a vetoed DOC  item, but                                                                    
it was  something separate. She  relayed that  the increment                                                                    
for vocational training  shown on slide 5 was  the result of                                                                    
a  workforce  development  recommendation from  a  group  of                                                                    
agencies over  the past interim.  She stated there  may have                                                                    
been  a   veto  that   had  some  additions   for  workforce                                                                    
development, but she would have to look at the details.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:23:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  continued   to  review  significant  operating                                                                    
budget  highlights  on slide  6.  She  began with  DEED  and                                                                    
highlighted  an  increment  of $1.5  million  for  continued                                                                    
teacher    recruitment,   retention,    certification,   and                                                                    
development  funding.  She  detailed  there  was  a  teacher                                                                    
recruitment and retention (TRR)  working group that prepared                                                                    
the   TRR    action   plan   for    implementing   strategic                                                                    
recommendations   targeted    for   short    and   long-term                                                                    
improvements   specifically   related   to   teachers.   The                                                                    
increment  had been  before the  legislature in  prior years                                                                    
and  specifically  addressed   priority  areas  focusing  on                                                                    
recruitment   efforts   and   opportunities,   restructuring                                                                    
retirement   options,    streamlining   certification,   and                                                                    
strengthening workforce conditions.  The department had been                                                                    
working   with   federal   counterparts  to   implement   an                                                                    
apprenticeship program for teachers.  The funding would help                                                                    
continue the effort.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  highlighted an increment  of $1.25  million for                                                                    
career  and technical  education initiatives.  The increment                                                                    
was  intended to  establish the  implementation of  a career                                                                    
pathway  for  students;  the increment  would  also  support                                                                    
school districts  with grants for  them to  develop programs                                                                    
in  their  schools. The  funds  would  cover areas  such  as                                                                    
internships, pre-apprenticeships,  and other hands  on work-                                                                    
based  learning opportunities.  The  funding also  supported                                                                    
career and  technical student organizations; there  were six                                                                    
chapters actively  working throughout  the state.  There was                                                                    
an  increment  of  $300,000   to  establish  curriculum  and                                                                    
student  pathways,  which  involved   DEED  building  out  a                                                                    
curriculum for students to be used by any school district.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Johnson highlighted  there had  been a  $1.5                                                                    
million  increment   [for  continued   teacher  recruitment,                                                                    
retention,  certification,  and apprenticeship  development]                                                                    
in FY 24 and  FY 25 as well. She surmised  it was likely not                                                                    
a  one-time increment.  She was  interested  in the  results                                                                    
from  the  FY   24  and  FY  25  increments   and  what  the                                                                    
administration expected for FY 26.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:26:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  agreed that  the  items  had been  before  the                                                                    
committee in prior years. She  explained that each year they                                                                    
were  put  forward and  were  changed  to a  one-time  item;                                                                    
therefore, the  administration kept bringing them  back. She                                                                    
offered to follow  up with DEED to ensure  they provided the                                                                    
information on outcomes to the committee.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders continued on slide  6 and addressed a $4,368,700                                                                    
UGF  increment to  the Department  of  Family and  Community                                                                    
Services  to  ensure  continued  operations  of  the  Alaska                                                                    
Psychiatric Institute  (API). She detailed that  the Centers                                                                    
for  Medicare  and  Medicaid   Services  (CMS)  reduced  the                                                                    
disproportionate    share    hospital   (DSH)    allocations                                                                    
nationally.  When the  public  health emergency  declaration                                                                    
expired,  the   Medicaid  redeterminations  resulted   in  a                                                                    
decrease of the Medicaid  eligible patients at the hospital.                                                                    
The change required  an increase in UGF to  ensure there was                                                                    
not a structural deficit at API.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked if the need  for increased funding                                                                    
was COVID-19 related.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders   replied  that   because  the   public  health                                                                    
declaration  had  ended  there had  been  a  redetermination                                                                    
resulting in a need for additional general funds.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked what API's current  UGF funding                                                                    
was.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders deferred the question to the department.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MARIAN SWEET,  ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT  OF FAMILY                                                                    
AND COMMUNITY  SERVICES (via teleconference),  answered that                                                                    
the total UGF funding for API in FY 25 was $25.54 million.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  asked  if   any  of  the  $4.3  million                                                                    
[proposed in  the FY  26 budget]  related to  the competency                                                                    
and  commitment   bill.  Alternatively,  he  asked   if  the                                                                    
entirety was all due to a  reduction in the share of the DSH                                                                    
subsidy.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders believed  the  increment was  only  due to  the                                                                    
redetermination. She deferred the question to Ms. Sweet.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sweet  responded that there were  significant reductions                                                                    
in  the  department's   revenue  collections  from  Medicaid                                                                    
claims  as  well  as  the  reduction  in  the  DSH  funding.                                                                    
Additionally, the department  was receiving less collections                                                                    
from  private   insurance  companies.  The   department  was                                                                    
looking   at  increasing   revenues  and   doing  additional                                                                    
rebillings, but  it had  seen much  success. There  had also                                                                    
been  some  slight increases  in  operational  costs due  to                                                                    
inflation over  the past couple  of years; operation  of the                                                                    
API facility was costing more.  The significant reduction in                                                                    
revenue collections was requiring  the department to request                                                                    
the additional funding authority.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  remarked that there were  supposed to be                                                                    
more people  who were referred for  commitment consideration                                                                    
when they were  deemed incompetent to stand  trial. He noted                                                                    
the  subject  could  be discussed  during  the  subcommittee                                                                    
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:31:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  reviewed the last  two budget items on  slide 6                                                                    
pertaining to  the Department  of Fish  and Game  (DFG). The                                                                    
first  increment  was  $716,500  UGF  to  restore  fisheries                                                                    
survey  and  assessment   projects  located  throughout  the                                                                    
state.  She explained  that there  had been  a reduction  of                                                                    
$716,000  the  prior  year  during  the  budget  process  to                                                                    
commercial fisheries. The proposed  request brought the item                                                                    
back  before  the  legislature.  Examples  of  the  projects                                                                    
included  Judd  Lake  weir,  herring  assessments,  and  the                                                                    
Prince  William  Sound  trawl survey.  The  budget  included                                                                    
$450,000  UGF  base  funding  for  maintenance  of  vessels,                                                                    
aircraft  maintenance, repair,  and  upgrades. She  detailed                                                                    
that DFG  had six research  vessels and five  aircrafts used                                                                    
to  transport   employees  for  monitoring   efforts,  stock                                                                    
assessment  programs,  and  various research  projects.  The                                                                    
costs were  continuing to increase  and the  increment would                                                                    
enable  the continuation  of maintenance  needs into  future                                                                    
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage  asked why there were  maintenance upgrades                                                                    
in the  operating budget as  opposed to the  capital budget.                                                                    
He asked how  OMB decided to put a request  in the operating                                                                    
or capital budget.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  replied that OMB  looked at whether a  need was                                                                    
ongoing.  The  item was  included  in  the operating  budget                                                                    
because  there  was  an ongoing  operational  need  to  keep                                                                    
equipment,  vessels, and  aircrafts sustained.  She detailed                                                                    
that OMB  occasionally put  a specific  item in  the capital                                                                    
budget because  of the scope.  For example,  maintenance for                                                                    
Alaska Marine  Highway System (AMHS)  vessels was  funded in                                                                    
the  capital  budget because  of  the  extensive scope.  She                                                                    
elaborated  that it  varied from  year to  year and  OMB was                                                                    
trying to  get more consistent determining  where increments                                                                    
should go based on whether  there was an ongoing operational                                                                    
need versus a one-time need.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:34:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  addressed operating budget highlights  on slide                                                                    
7 beginning with the DOH.  She explained that the passage of                                                                    
SB  189  in 2024  increased  the  eligibility standards  for                                                                    
childcare  assistance to  105 percent  of  the state  median                                                                    
income.  The department  estimated there  were approximately                                                                    
18,000   additional   children   meeting   the   eligibility                                                                    
requirements,  resulting  in  approximately 1,200  to  1,300                                                                    
more  usage  under  the Childcare  Assistance  Program  [the                                                                    
increment  was $6,092.2  million including  $5,867.1 million                                                                    
UGF  and  $225,100  in  federal   funds].  The  budget  also                                                                    
included  full  statutory  funding for  the  Senior  Benefit                                                                    
Payment Program.  She detailed that  SB 170 had  been rolled                                                                    
into SB 147  and had passed in 2024.  The proposed increment                                                                    
ensured  there  was full  funding  based  on that  statutory                                                                    
program.  Additionally, there  was a  $1.5 million  increase                                                                    
split  between $750,000  UGF and  $75,000  in mental  health                                                                    
trust authority authorized receipts  to establish the mental                                                                    
health  trust  crisis  call center  to  support  individuals                                                                    
across the state with mental health needs.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders moved  to the Department of  Labor and Workforce                                                                    
Development  (DLWD) and  reviewed an  increment of  $182,300                                                                    
UGF  to  increase   available  Alaska  Vocational  Technical                                                                    
Center (AVTEC)  class seats  from 15 to  30 students  in the                                                                    
Industrial Electrical  Program in  support of  an initiative                                                                    
to expand  Alaska's electrical  and plumbing  workforce. She                                                                    
addressed  increments  for  the   Department  of  Law  (DOL)                                                                    
including $1,194,100  UGF for five new  positions to provide                                                                    
support  to  reduce  caseloads  to  a  manageable  level  as                                                                    
suggested  by the  American  Bar Association.  Additionally,                                                                    
there was  a request  of $500,000  UGF to  support continued                                                                    
statehood  defense  efforts  across multiple  agencies.  She                                                                    
explained that  DOL would partner with  other state agencies                                                                    
to plan,  review, and  continue efforts  supporting Alaska's                                                                    
statehood sovereignty.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:37:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  noted that he had  spoken with officials                                                                    
with DOL. He  remarked that there would  still be litigation                                                                    
brought  by  groups  like   the  Natural  Resources  Defense                                                                    
Council.  He  stressed  that  unless  something  was  wildly                                                                    
different  than  he thought  it  would  be, there  would  be                                                                    
substantially  less litigation  from  the  from the  federal                                                                    
government. He  noted it was  something the  committee would                                                                    
weigh when it looked at the final budget.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  asked about the  childcare assistance                                                                    
increment.  She understood  that historically  a very  small                                                                    
number  of families  took advantage  of the  opportunity for                                                                    
childcare  assistance. She  was  hopeful  that the  increase                                                                    
more  aligned with  the  cost  of care  would  result in  an                                                                    
increase in families using the  assistance. She asked if the                                                                    
number was  based on the  current usage of  Alaskan families                                                                    
or on potential growth.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders deferred the question to DOH.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PAM HALLORAN, ASSISTANT  COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH,                                                                    
replied  that  there was  an  assumption  that about  18,000                                                                    
additional  children  aged  12  and  under  would  meet  the                                                                    
eligibility criteria.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin asked how  the cost increment had been                                                                    
derived. She  noted that  only 5  percent of  those eligible                                                                    
currently used the assistance.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders replied  that the  department  would follow  up                                                                    
with an answer.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:41:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  moved to budget  highlights for  the Department                                                                    
of  Military and  Veterans Affairs  (DMVA) on  slide 8.  She                                                                    
highlighted an  increment of  $175,000 to  expand operations                                                                    
of the Alaska State Defense  Force, Naval Militia, and Civil                                                                    
Air Patrol.  The department  was increasingly  responding to                                                                    
disasters;  the  funding  would   allow  for  a  coordinated                                                                    
oversight of the  entities by DMVA. The second  item was the                                                                    
last  fast  track  supplemental  item  at  $15  million  for                                                                    
deposit into  the Disaster Relief  Fund. The  fund's current                                                                    
$51,000 balance  was the lowest  it had been.  She explained                                                                    
that due  to the balance in  the fund, OMB had  been working                                                                    
with DMVA to  ensure there was available funding  and it had                                                                    
set aside  about $6 million  from the  capital appropriation                                                                    
within the  Office of  the Governor  to address  any current                                                                    
disasters. The request  was to deposit $15  million into the                                                                    
fund; a  portion of  the amount  would go  towards returning                                                                    
the  original capital  appropriation to  its prior  balance.                                                                    
Additionally, it would provide  the department with money to                                                                    
get through  the end of FY  25. The FY 26  budget included a                                                                    
request of  $13 million UGF  for deposit into the  fund. She                                                                    
added that DMVA  estimated there was about  one disaster per                                                                    
month, which was about $1 million per month.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:44:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp stated  he  was  under the  impression                                                                    
that the  Disaster Relief Fund  was under the Office  of the                                                                    
Governor  and   administered  by   DOR.  He  asked   if  his                                                                    
understanding was accurate.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  answered that  the Disaster  Relief Fund  was a                                                                    
fund in  the state's accounting  system that was  managed by                                                                    
DMVA. She relayed that OMB  worked closely with the Division                                                                    
of  Finance to  monitor  the  fund and  ensure  there was  a                                                                    
sustainable balance.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp  asked  if   the  fund  was  typically                                                                    
capitalized with funds from the waterfall through lapses.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders answered, "No." She  clarified that the fund was                                                                    
capitalized annually  through the budget with  a combination                                                                    
of UGF and federal appropriations.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan asked  how much  the legislature  had                                                                    
appropriated the  previous year to the  Disaster Relief Fund                                                                    
and how much had been vetoed.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders responded  that she  did not  have the  precise                                                                    
number on  hand. She relayed that  there had been a  veto in                                                                    
the  FY  25 budget,  which  was  based  on an  estimate  the                                                                    
administration felt  comfortable with.  She stated  that the                                                                    
department  could  provide  a more  detailed  response.  She                                                                    
noted that disasters were hard  to predict and unfortunately                                                                    
there  had   been  more  disasters  than   anticipated.  The                                                                    
supplemental  request  would  put  money into  the  fund  to                                                                    
ensure the state could respond immediately to disasters.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:46:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan considered  the  proposed request  of                                                                    
$15   million  for   the  Disaster   Relief  Fund   via  the                                                                    
supplemental  to  backfill  money borrowed  against  another                                                                    
fund and $13 million in the  base for FY 26. She remarked on                                                                    
the estimated  $1 million per  month cost for  disasters and                                                                    
highlighted that  the state had  seen a streak of  bad years                                                                    
where disasters were much more  expensive. She was concerned                                                                    
the amounts  in the  budget were not  sufficient to  pay for                                                                    
the average year  of disasters. She stated  that funding had                                                                    
been vetoed. She  was looking for guidance from  DMVA on the                                                                    
right   number  in   order  to   avoid  having   to  provide                                                                    
supplemental funding annually.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders replied  that the  legislature deposited  $20.5                                                                    
million to the fund the previous  year and the veto was $7.5                                                                    
million. She was  happy to have the  conversations with DMVA                                                                    
on what a comfortable amount was.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:48:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked if OMB  could describe  in writing                                                                    
how  delays  in  the  funding would  be  reflected.  He  was                                                                    
sympathetic to  the request because  it was  called disaster                                                                    
relief and it sounded like a  fast track item. He asked what                                                                    
the impact  would be if  the funding was not  received until                                                                    
                                        th                                                                                      
the governor signed  the bill on June 15.   Additionally, if                                                                    
the  dollars  were  going  to  be  replenished  to  deferred                                                                    
maintenance,  he wondered  if it  was a  capital item  where                                                                    
there was  no rush and the  funding could go into  FY 26, FY                                                                    
27, and FY  28. Alternatively, he asked if the  catch up had                                                                    
to occur  in the two-week  window after an  operating budget                                                                    
was signed.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  answered  that  the  legislature  appropriated                                                                    
deferred maintenance funding annually  and the Department of                                                                    
Transportation  and Public  Facilities  (DOT) facilitated  a                                                                    
process  with  all  state  agencies   to  rank  the  capital                                                                    
projects.  Subsequently,  OMB  worked through  the  list  in                                                                    
order of  the ranking to  allocate the funding. When  it had                                                                    
been identified there would be  an issue with the balance of                                                                    
the  Disaster   Relief  Fund,   OMB  had   reviewed  capital                                                                    
appropriations. She  elaborated that  OMB had  determined it                                                                    
could temporarily  use deferred maintenance funding  for the                                                                    
purpose with the  understanding it was important  to put the                                                                    
money back in  order for state agencies to  continue to move                                                                    
forward  with  deferred  maintenance projects  in  order  to                                                                    
avoid larger problems. Timing wise,  the legislature had the                                                                    
ability to  pass a fast  track supplemental quickly  and get                                                                    
it to the governor for  signature. She hoped the funding for                                                                    
the  Disaster Relief  Fund could  be  addressed sooner  than                                                                    
June.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:51:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Bynum  was   supportive  of   the  expanded                                                                    
operations for Civil  Air Patrol included in  the budget. He                                                                    
believed  it  was  good  for communities.  He  did  not  see                                                                    
anything  with regard  to expansion  of veterans'  services,                                                                    
specifically for veteran services  officers. He asked if the                                                                    
administration  had  considered  including the  funding.  He                                                                    
noted there  was a tremendous  need for direct  services for                                                                    
veterans   in  the   state.  He   believed  there   was  not                                                                    
necessarily a high focus on the topic.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  replied that the  FY 26 budget did  not include                                                                    
an  expansion for  veterans' officers.  She noted  there had                                                                    
been  significant conversation  during the  2024 legislative                                                                    
session about  additions of the positions.  She would follow                                                                    
up with the information.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:52:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  highlighted two operating budget  items for the                                                                    
Department  of  Natural  Resources  (DNR) on  slide  8.  The                                                                    
budget  included $858,000  UGF and  three new  positions for                                                                    
forestry management and development  for increased access to                                                                    
land and resources. She detailed  that it was a top priority                                                                    
for the  department to  expand access  to state  forests and                                                                    
timber resources in order to  increase timber sales to drive                                                                    
economic   development.  The   request   would  go   towards                                                                    
providing  stable funding  sources for  equipment operators,                                                                    
mapping services,  and foresters.  The budget  also included                                                                    
$648,400  UGF for  natural disaster  emergency response  and                                                                    
prevention. The  primary responder  was DMVA;  however, with                                                                    
the increasing  number of disasters across  the state, other                                                                    
agencies  were   called  upon   for  their   expertise.  The                                                                    
increment  would  provide  the Division  of  Geological  and                                                                    
Geophysical  Surveys the  ability  to respond  to the  state                                                                    
emergency  operation  center's  request for  assistance  and                                                                    
have  a team  specifically dedicated  to emergency  response                                                                    
and  the prevention  of natural  disasters.  The team  would                                                                    
conduct   geological   hazard   assessments   promptly   and                                                                    
proactively to manage land and  mitigate geological risks in                                                                    
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:54:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin   asked  for  more  clarity   on  the                                                                    
$858,000 for three positions. She  thought perhaps there the                                                                    
cost involved housing, cars, or  something else. She thought                                                                    
the positions seemed to be very high paying.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders deferred to DNR for detail.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
BRENT  GOODRUM, DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT  OF NATURAL                                                                    
RESOURCES  (via  teleconference),  answered there  were  two                                                                    
parts  to  the increment.  One  was  to help  secure  stable                                                                    
funding  for  12  positions including  4  foresters,  5  GIS                                                                    
analysts, and  3 equipment operators. He  detailed that much                                                                    
of the work they did was  related to fire risk reduction and                                                                    
fuel breaks.  Up until the  current point the work  had been                                                                    
funded  through   expiring  CIPs   and  federal   funds.  He                                                                    
explained it was important to  secure more stable funding to                                                                    
help reduce  fire risk and  increase access to  state timber                                                                    
resources. The  funding would  also pay  for a  new forester                                                                    
position in  Haines, an engineer  to help with road  work to                                                                    
create the  access, as well  as an accountant  technician to                                                                    
help make sure the work was done effectively.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson did not see  anything about the executive                                                                    
order (EO)  on the agricultural  department. He asked  if it                                                                    
was  more appropriate  for a  hearing  on the  EO. He  asked                                                                    
about the cost of standing up a new department.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders answered that OMB  had been working closely with                                                                    
DNR  on  the  topic.  The  governor's  office  would  submit                                                                    
amendments  in the  governor's amended  budget, which  would                                                                    
show the  total cost and  positions. She noted that  OMB was                                                                    
also working  on some  statements of  cost so  the committee                                                                    
could see  what it looked like  prior to the release  of the                                                                    
amended budget.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:57:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson relayed that  a number of legislators had                                                                    
a meeting a couple of years  ago with a former professor Mr.                                                                    
Steiner from  the University of  Alaska Fairbanks who  is an                                                                    
author and expert  on climate science. He  detailed that Mr.                                                                    
Steiner had talked about the  need for a resiliency fund. He                                                                    
highlighted Haines, Wrangell, and  Sitka and landslides that                                                                    
he believed  were clearly climate related.  He cited Typhoon                                                                    
Merbok [a storm  that hit western Alaska  in September 2022]                                                                    
as another example  of a climate related  disaster. He asked                                                                    
if   the  administration   had  thought   about  a   broader                                                                    
discussion   about  the   impact   of   climate  change   on                                                                    
appropriations in the future.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders replied that she  had not participated in any of                                                                    
those discussions. She deferred the question to DMVA.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BRYAN FISHER,  DIRECTOR, DIVISION  OF HOMELAND  SECURITY AND                                                                    
EMERGENCY  MANAGEMENT, DEPARTMENT  OF MILITARY  AND VETERANS                                                                    
AFFAIRS  (via teleconference),  replied that  he had  worked                                                                    
for the department for 30  years and there had been constant                                                                    
discussions  on the  impact of  climate change  and what  it                                                                    
meant.  He relayed  that the  number  of disasters  declared                                                                    
around the state had become  more frequent including coastal                                                                    
sea storms,  wildfire in the  Interior and Artic  regions of                                                                    
the state, and  landslides in Southeast. He  stated that the                                                                    
frequency  and   intensity  of   disasters  in   Alaska  and                                                                    
nationwide had trended to be  increasing. He stated that the                                                                    
division's response to disasters  was about the effects, not                                                                    
the   cause  of   climate  change.   There  were   a  pretty                                                                    
significant   number  of   disasters   declared  in   Alaska                                                                    
occurring about once  per month on average for  the past 1.5                                                                    
or 2 years.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson encouraged the  department to think about                                                                    
the impact of the climate.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders moved  to the Department of  Public Safety (DPS)                                                                    
increments on  slide 8. The  governor continued  to advocate                                                                    
for  investment  in  public safety  across  the  state.  The                                                                    
budget included  $1,215,200 UGF  to provide  five additional                                                                    
Village Public  Safety Officer (VPSO)  positions, increasing                                                                    
the program  from 85  to 90 positions.  She stated  that DPS                                                                    
had  done a  great job  working  to fill  the positions  and                                                                    
reduce the  number of vacant  VPSO positions.  The increment                                                                    
would  continue  to rebuild  the  program  at a  sustainable                                                                    
rate. Additionally, the budget  included $3,750,1000 UGF and                                                                    
nine new positions for the  Alaska State Troopers (AST). She                                                                    
detailed  that  the increment  was  broken  into two  parts.                                                                    
First, there  was $2.4 million to  reestablish the Talkeetna                                                                    
Post, which was closed in  2016. The post would ensure there                                                                    
was timely  response and coverage of  Willow, Talkeetna, and                                                                    
Trapper  Creek.  The  increment   was  intended  to  improve                                                                    
response  times, traffic  enforcement  efforts, and  provide                                                                    
full-time  law  enforcement  services to  residents  in  the                                                                    
upper  Susitna  Valley.  The post  would  require  five  new                                                                    
positions  including one  sergeant,  three  troopers, and  a                                                                    
criminal  justice  technician.  Additionally,  there  was  a                                                                    
request  for a  wildlife  trooper at  the  post. The  second                                                                    
portion  of the  increment  was $1.3  million  to add  three                                                                    
troopers for  child crime investigations in  Western Alaska.                                                                    
She relayed  that three  positions were added  in the  FY 25                                                                    
budget  to  serve  Bethel   and  surrounding  villages.  She                                                                    
detailed that  the volume of sexual  assault cases surpassed                                                                    
existing  trooper investigative  capacity.  The addition  of                                                                    
non-permanent investigators dedicated  to the sexual assault                                                                    
of minor cases in the  Kotzebue, Nome, and surrounding areas                                                                    
would  allow the  department to  bring  on investigators  to                                                                    
manage the case volume in the region.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:02:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski asked  how  many VPSO  positions                                                                    
had  been added  the previous  year  and how  many had  been                                                                    
filled.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders deferred the question to the department.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DIANNA    THORNTON,   ADMINISTRATIVE    SERVICES   DIRECTOR,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT OF  PUBLIC SAFETY (via  teleconference), answered                                                                    
that  10 VPSO  positions had  been added  in FY  25. The  85                                                                    
positions funded for FY 25 had been filled.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Johnson stated  that investigator  positions                                                                    
had been  funded in FY  25. She  asked if the  positions had                                                                    
been filled.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders believed  the positions  were  filled, but  she                                                                    
deferred to Ms. Thornton.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Johnson repeated her question.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Thornton answered that  the three investigator positions                                                                    
were  for  Bethel  and  were   filled.  The  three  proposed                                                                    
positions in the FY 26 budget were for Kotzebue.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked how  many Alaska  State Trooper                                                                    
positions  were  unfilled. She  remarked  there  had been  a                                                                    
fairly high vacancy rate in 2024.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Thornton did  not have  the  number on  hand and  would                                                                    
follow up.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:05:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan asked about  the trooper policy when a                                                                    
person  was hired  for  a  specific area.  She  asked if  an                                                                    
individual  who took  a position  in  Bethel could  transfer                                                                    
internally to the Trapper Creek  post if it was created. She                                                                    
highlighted  that  there had  been  focus  on filling  rural                                                                    
positions,  which  had  been  difficult  to  fill.  She  was                                                                    
concerned about  the idea  of losing  those people  hired in                                                                    
rural  positions.  She wondered  whether  a  person who  had                                                                    
taken   a  specified   position  such   as  a   child  crime                                                                    
investigator  in  Bethel  could transfer  into  the  regular                                                                    
ranks at  a trooper post on  the road system when  it became                                                                    
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Thornton replied  that there was a policy  in place, but                                                                    
she did not have the  information on hand. She would provide                                                                    
the answer in writing.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage recalled there  had been difficulty in past                                                                    
years where  positions had  been created  and the  state had                                                                    
been unable  to fill  them, or the  position was  filled but                                                                    
another position  within the same allocation  went unfilled.                                                                    
He  asked  for  an  aggregate breakdown  of  the  number  of                                                                    
positions,  how many  were filled,  and how  it had  changed                                                                    
over  the past  several  years. He  asked  what other  posts                                                                    
(apart from Talkeetna) had been closed in the past decade.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders replied that DPS would follow up.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Schrage  asked why  the  Talkeetna  post had  been                                                                    
selected  for reinstatement  over the  other posts  that had                                                                    
been closed.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders agreed to follow up with the information.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:08:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders addressed the DOT  budget highlights on slide 9.                                                                    
The  budget included  a $250,000  UGF  increment to  provide                                                                    
employees with specialized training  to respond to accidents                                                                    
along  the  Dalton  Highway.  She   explained  that  due  to                                                                    
increased   hauling   activity   on  the   Dalton   Highway,                                                                    
particularly  with the  transport of  liquified natural  gas                                                                    
(LNG),  employees  needed  specialized training  to  respond                                                                    
effectively  to highway  accidents in  the remote  area. The                                                                    
increment would ensure employees  had training and equipment                                                                    
and  skills   to  manage  hazardous  materials   or  perform                                                                    
accident response safely. The  budget also included $692,500                                                                    
UGF for maintenance camp contracting.  She detailed that the                                                                    
Dalton   Highway   had  experienced   personnel   shortages;                                                                    
therefore, DPS  was proposing contracting out  for personnel                                                                    
including equipment  operators, mechanics, and  other needs.                                                                    
The budget included  $1 million UGF for  the northern region                                                                    
roadside  hardware repairs.  She  expounded  that there  was                                                                    
often   damage  done   to  guardrails,   signs,  and   other                                                                    
installations along  the roadway  that protect  drivers. The                                                                    
department  often   sought  compensation  from   the  person                                                                    
responsible for  the damage through insurance  and the funds                                                                    
were  frequently  insufficient  or the  damaging  party  was                                                                    
unknown. The increment would enable  the department to start                                                                    
addressing repair  needs. The  budget included  $500,000 UGF                                                                    
for right-of-way  clearing of vacated  homeless encampments.                                                                    
There   was  an   increased  number   of  vacated   homeless                                                                    
encampments  on  state right  of  ways,  which left  debris,                                                                    
hazardous materials, environmental damage,  and were often a                                                                    
public safety hazard.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  remarked that  there  had  been a  mass                                                                    
denuding of forest the past  fall in Representative Galvin's                                                                    
district. He  explained that the  location was in  the right                                                                    
of way and  had homeless encampments. He  believed there had                                                                    
been some  dispute or  consternation about  how it  had been                                                                    
done. He stated  it was vast acreage that  may have exceeded                                                                    
the bounds  of the  encampment. He  would like  details from                                                                    
DOT on  how the  decision had  been made.  He had  been told                                                                    
that although  DOT had the  right to do  it, it was  not the                                                                    
way the  Municipality of  Anchorage would  have done  it. He                                                                    
was curious to know the policy.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Sanders  noted  that the  ASD  director  was  available                                                                    
online. She would have the department follow up in writing.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:13:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  asked   about  the  Northern  region                                                                    
roadside  hardware repairs.  She wondered  what funding  the                                                                    
department currently  had for the  repair and why  there was                                                                    
only  funding for  the Northern  region. She  suspected that                                                                    
all  of  the  state's  highways  had  the  same  issue.  She                                                                    
wondered if there  was some major incident  resulting in the                                                                    
funding request.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders deferred the question to DOT.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DOM  PANNONE, ADMINISTRATIVE  SERVICES DIRECTOR,  DEPARTMENT                                                                    
OF    TRANSPORTATION    AND     PUBLIC    FACILITIES    (via                                                                    
teleconference), replied that the  department was split into                                                                    
three  regions  by statute.  He  relayed  that the  Northern                                                                    
region  was significantly  larger  than  the Southcoast  and                                                                    
Southcentral regions.  He explained that the  request was in                                                                    
response  to  watching  trends.  He  detailed  that  damaged                                                                    
guardrail  posed a  safety risk  and the  request was  about                                                                    
safety. He elaborated that the  Northern region was seeing a                                                                    
trend up and  an increase in the cost of  the materials. The                                                                    
region was trying  to mitigate the impacts  to its operating                                                                    
budget and  still be  able to keep  the guardrails  safe for                                                                    
the traveling  public. He explained  that the  situation was                                                                    
not as big an issue in the other two regions.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked what the state  currently spent                                                                    
for the item  in the Northern region. She asked  if it was a                                                                    
fraction of  what was spent  or reflected a doubling  of the                                                                    
budget.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pannone  replied that the department  spent roughly $2.5                                                                    
million annually  in the Northern region  for guardrails. He                                                                    
would be  happy to  follow up  with information  showing the                                                                    
history for the couple of years.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:17:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage  returned to Co-Chair  Josephson's question                                                                    
about right  of way clearing.  He stated that some  of right                                                                    
of way  clearing had  been done  over the  past year  and he                                                                    
assumed it  was small enough  in scale that it  was absorbed                                                                    
into  the  budget and  the  existing  level of  appropriated                                                                    
funding. He asked  if there was a reason the  same could not                                                                    
be  done moving  forward.  He asked  if  the department  was                                                                    
anticipating a larger scale of  right of way clearing. Based                                                                    
on his  experience driving  down the  new Seward  Highway he                                                                    
found the clearing  to be extensive. He  remarked that there                                                                    
may be some frustration with  how it was done. Generally, he                                                                    
believed it was  likely a good public safety  step. He asked                                                                    
what  the  state would  get  for  $500,000  and if  DOT  was                                                                    
expecting that  much additional right  of way  clearing into                                                                    
the next year.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Pannone responded  that  the  department spent  roughly                                                                    
$300,000  on the  [right of  way clearing]  activity in  the                                                                    
Anchorage area  and approximately $150,000 in  the Fairbanks                                                                    
area. The department  was recognizing the need  to clean the                                                                    
areas up as  more areas were identified. The  request was to                                                                    
continue with the  effort to ensure the areas  were safe. He                                                                    
elaborated that DOT  managed the right of ways as  part of a                                                                    
federal  funding  requirement.  The budget  request  was  to                                                                    
continue the  work without  impacting other  maintenance and                                                                    
operation areas.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Allard  asked  if the  department  was  also                                                                    
looking at  preventing the  encampments from  happening. She                                                                    
asked  what DOT  was doing  to prevent  the situations  from                                                                    
getting to the point where it cost so much.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders deferred the question to Mr. Pannone.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:19:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pannone answered that the  department looked at clearing                                                                    
trees,   adding  sightlines,   and   increasing  safety   in                                                                    
encampments.  The  department   also  looked  at  controlled                                                                    
access to  the facilities.  He explained that  a lot  of the                                                                    
concerns stemmed  from pedestrians  and traffic  and keeping                                                                    
the  public  safe.  When  the  department  became  aware  of                                                                    
encampments and  locations, clearing  the trees was  one way                                                                    
to increase safety. Additionally,  changing the way highways                                                                    
were  designed could  also help  mitigate the  situation. He                                                                    
added that  he was  not the  policymaker on  maintenance and                                                                    
operations   or  highway   design.   He  deferred   detailed                                                                    
questions on the subject to a subcommittee meeting.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp  asked  if   the  department  had  the                                                                    
ability to send a bill  to the municipality for allowing the                                                                    
situation to continue to happen.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pannone  replied that the department  was requesting the                                                                    
funds for  locations that  were the  state's responsibility.                                                                    
Sending a  bill would  be a policy  call, which  was outside                                                                    
his expertise.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:22:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Allard stated that  while something may be on                                                                    
a  state road,  the  Anchorage Police  Department still  had                                                                    
jurisdiction  over the  area. She  suggested a  municipality                                                                    
should reimburse  the state.  She believed  a single  mom in                                                                    
Fairbanks  should  not  have  to   foot  the  bill  for  the                                                                    
Municipality of Anchorage not doing its due diligence.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Pannone answered  that they  were policy  calls and  he                                                                    
deferred to the right of way  section of DOT that had a full                                                                    
understanding  of   the  departments  obligations   for  the                                                                    
federal highway  funds it received.  He deferred  the policy                                                                    
to policymakers.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:23:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  relayed that during the  latest campaign                                                                    
season many of the  legislators had spoken with constituents                                                                    
about  homelessness.  He asked  Ms.  Sanders  to resume  her                                                                    
review of slide 9.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders highlighted a $20  million request ($3.9 million                                                                    
UGF  and  $16.9  million  in university  receipts)  for  the                                                                    
University  of Alaska  for  fixed  operating cost  increases                                                                    
such   as  cyber   security   and  information   technology,                                                                    
facilities maintenance, and utilities.  She noted there were                                                                    
substantial items such as salary  adjustments that were also                                                                    
included  for  the  University.  She  relayed  that  a  $100                                                                    
million increment  she had  discussed earlier  also included                                                                    
almost $20  million for the University's  salary adjustments                                                                    
associated with  its bargained contracts.  The last  item on                                                                    
the slide was  a statewide item request of  $2.5 billion UGF                                                                    
to  provide a  full statutory  PFD.  She stated  it was  the                                                                    
governor's priority  to continue to put  forward a statutory                                                                    
PFD.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Bynum  referenced  investments made  in  the                                                                    
University of Alaska and other  programs. He stated that one                                                                    
of  the  ongoing  themes  he  would  discuss  was  workforce                                                                    
development  including creating  pipelines  for students  to                                                                    
help with trades that were  needed in Alaska. He hoped there                                                                    
were specific budget items that would highlight the needs.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sanders  replied that the  University would  be prepared                                                                    
to address the item with the committee.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  thanked Ms. Sanders and  her colleagues.                                                                    
The  presentation  would  continue during  the  meeting  the                                                                    
following Monday.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
3:26:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:26 p.m.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
01.24.25 OMB House Finance FY2026 Budget Overview v2.pdf HFIN 1/24/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 53
HB 55