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01/22/2025 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:36:35 PM Presentation: Production Forecast by Department of Natural Resources
02:58:04 PM Adjourn
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+ Presentation:Production Forecast by Commissioner TELECONFERENCED
John Boyle; John Crowther, Deputy Commissioner;
Derek Nottingham, Director and Travis Peltier,
Petroleum Reservoir Engineer, Division of Oil and
Gas, Department of Natural Resources
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     January 22, 2025                                                                                           
                         1:32 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:32:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  called   the  House  Finance  Committee                                                                    
meeting to order at 1:32 p.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Andy Josephson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Calvin Schrage, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Jamie Allard                                                                                                     
Representative Jeremy Bynum                                                                                                     
Representative Alyse Galvin                                                                                                     
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Nellie Unangiq Jimmie                                                                                            
Representative DeLena Johnson                                                                                                   
Representative Will Stapp                                                                                                       
Representative Frank Tomaszewski                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
John  Crowther, Deputy  Commissioner, Department  of Natural                                                                    
Resources;  Travis  Peltier, Petroleum  Reservoir  Engineer,                                                                    
Resource  Evaluation  Section,  Division  of  Oil  and  Gas,                                                                    
Department   of   Natural   Resources;   Derek   Nottingham,                                                                    
Director,  Division of  Oil and  Gas, Department  of Natural                                                                    
Resources; Representative Elexie Moore.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: PRODUCTION  FORECAST BY DEPARTMENT  OF NATURAL                                                                    
RESOURCES                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson   recognized  House   Finance  Committee                                                                    
nonpartisan staff and  LIO staff. He relayed  that the first                                                                    
order  of  business  and  the  legislature's  constitutional                                                                    
responsibility  was to  pass a  budget. He  stated that  the                                                                    
committee would  focus on the operating,  mental health, and                                                                    
capital  budgets. He  relayed that  Co-Chair Schrage  was in                                                                    
charge  of  the  capital  budget  and  Co-Chair  Foster  was                                                                    
responsible  for legislation.  The  committee  would hear  a                                                                    
presentation  from  the   Department  of  Natural  Resources                                                                    
(DNR).                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: PRODUCTION FORECAST  BY DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL                                                                  
RESOURCES                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:36:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson invited  committee members  to ask                                                                    
questions along the way.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  CROWTHER, DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT  OF NATURAL                                                                    
RESOURCES,   introduced  himself.   He   relayed  that   the                                                                    
department had a significant  amount of positive information                                                                    
to share.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
TRAVIS  PELTIER,  PETROLEUM   RESERVOIR  ENGINEER,  RESOURCE                                                                    
EVALUATION SECTION,  DIVISION OF OIL AND  GAS, DEPARTMENT OF                                                                    
NATURAL  RESOURCES,   provided  a   PowerPoint  presentation                                                                    
titled "Fall  2024 Oil  Production Forecast,"  dated January                                                                    
22,  2025 (copy  on  file).  He shared  that  he joined  the                                                                    
department three years  ago and had been working  on the oil                                                                    
production forecast  since that  time. He detailed  that the                                                                    
presentation would address  Alaska's oil production forecast                                                                    
for the next  decade in addition to how the  forecast did in                                                                    
the fall of 2023 with respect to 2024.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier  began on  slide 2 showing  a reference  list of                                                                    
acronyms.  He noted  the  appendix  included two  additional                                                                    
slides  including  a  table  showing  royalty  by  different                                                                    
property types  and a  map of  units across  federal, state,                                                                    
and joint  properties showing  the difference  in royalties.                                                                    
He did  not intend to  cover the appendix slides  during the                                                                    
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:39:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Peltier  reviewed   the  agenda   on   slide  3.   The                                                                    
presentation  would  include  an introduction  and  forecast                                                                    
preview, the  FY 24 review with  a focus on the  North Slope                                                                    
and  Cook   Inlet  basin,  the  DNR   fall  2024  production                                                                    
forecasting  approach, and  the fall  2024 forecast  results                                                                    
and summary.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier turned  to a graph on slide 4  titled "Fall 2024                                                                    
Forecast: North Slope."  The y axis of the  chart showed the                                                                    
fiscal year  annual average daily  production of  barrels of                                                                    
oil  ranging from  zero to  1  million barrels  per day.  He                                                                    
noted the graph showed  annualized average numbers with just                                                                    
ten  data  points.  The  x axis  showed  fiscal  years  2025                                                                    
through 2034.  The middle blue  line on the  graph reflected                                                                    
the fall 2024 Department  of Revenue (DOR) official forecast                                                                    
in the  Revenue Sources  Book. He  noted the  DNR production                                                                    
forecast was  incorporated into the Revenue  Sources Book by                                                                    
DOR. The graph also included  a high and low forecast. There                                                                    
was   always  uncertainty   in  the   forecasting  and   the                                                                    
department  never knew  for certain  how  things would  work                                                                    
out. He detailed  that the high and low forecasts  for FY 25                                                                    
started out at about plus  and minus 5 percent respectively.                                                                    
Uncertainty grew  over time, which resulted  in a broadening                                                                    
spread in future years.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Peltier   explained    that   DNR   had   confidential                                                                    
conversations  with operators  to  compile information.  For                                                                    
the  purposes of  the North  Slope forecast,  DNR aggregated                                                                    
all  of  the  operator  forecasts  for  currently  producing                                                                    
fields and  used the  information as  a comparison  with the                                                                    
department's expectations.  The operator forecast  [shown as                                                                    
a dotted line] was the  summation of all the producing units                                                                    
on the North Slope going into  the future. He noted that the                                                                    
DNR  forecast included  future  projects,  but the  operator                                                                    
forecast did not. He explained  that future projects such as                                                                    
Pikka  were not  included in  the operator  forecast because                                                                    
the department did not request the information.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:42:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier  moved to slide  6 titled "FY2024  as Forecasted                                                                    
by DNR in Fall  2023: How Did We Do?" He  began with a chart                                                                    
showing FY 24 North Slope forecast  on the right side of the                                                                    
slide.  The  chart showed  the  fiscal  year annual  average                                                                    
daily oil  production for  2024 going  from zero  to 600,000                                                                    
barrels of oil per day. The  high and low scenarios shown on                                                                    
slide 4  were reflected  in the  bar chart  as approximately                                                                    
519,000  barrels  and   422,000  barrels  respectively.  The                                                                    
official forecast was  approximately 470,000 barrels. Actual                                                                    
production  during FY  24  was 461,000.  He  noted that  DNR                                                                    
forecasted   roughly  2   percent  more   than  the   actual                                                                    
production.  He explained  that  the  actual production  was                                                                    
within  DNR's range  of  acceptability of  plus  or minus  5                                                                    
percent,  but DNR's  forecast was  high. He  added that  the                                                                    
operator forecast was very close  to DNR's at around 468,000                                                                    
barrels, which was also high compared to actuals.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  believed it was the  third consecutive                                                                    
forecast where  the actuals were lower  than DNR's forecast.                                                                    
He understood there was margin  of error in the forecasting,                                                                    
but he  was curious  why the  state's forecast  had exceeded                                                                    
actuals several years in a row.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier answered that the  department worked annually to                                                                    
determine  whether there  was  a bias  in  its forecast  and                                                                    
whether it  was doing  something wrong in  its calculations.                                                                    
He relayed that the  department had identified a calculation                                                                    
bias  the previous  year. He  pointed to  the second  bullet                                                                    
point  on   slide  6  that   reported  DNR's   forecast  was                                                                    
approximately   2  percent   higher   than   actual  FY   24                                                                    
production. He  clarified that  1 percent  of the  2 percent                                                                    
difference was a  result of the calculation  bias, which had                                                                    
been addressed  and fixed  for the  current year.  The other                                                                    
couple  of major  unforeseen  components  that occurred  the                                                                    
previous year related to oil  field operations. He explained                                                                    
that the Point  Thomson sales line froze  in mid-January and                                                                    
did not resume operations  until late May. Additionally, the                                                                    
total well  count expected  by the  department had  not been                                                                    
met. He would provide further detail on a future slide.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:45:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peltier  continued  to review  slide  6  pertaining  to                                                                    
forecast factors  currently on  the horizon.  He highlighted                                                                    
that there  was continued industry interest  in the Brookian                                                                    
Age plays  (i.e., Nanushuk)  on the  North Slope.  There was                                                                    
substantial activity  and exploration  drilling in  the east                                                                    
and  development  plays  (i.e.,  Pikka and  Willow)  on  the                                                                    
western  part of  the North  Slope. He  relayed that  recent                                                                    
federal  regulatory and  leasing restrictions  had presented                                                                    
challenges,  which  may  change   materially  with  the  new                                                                    
administration. He noted that  with Pikka and Willow ramping                                                                    
up their  construction activities  there had  been equipment                                                                    
constraints  on the  North  Slope.  Overall, the  operations                                                                    
costs  had   been  impacted  by  resources   being  used  by                                                                    
construction activities.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:47:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier turned  to slide 7 titled  "FY2024 as Forecasted                                                                    
by DNR in  Fall 2023: Monthly Forecast  with Daily Actuals."                                                                    
The chart  showed oil  production daily  rates from  zero to                                                                    
600,000 barrels  of oil  per day.  The chart  showed monthly                                                                    
forecasted data reflected by a  solid line overlaid with the                                                                    
actual  Trans-Alaska  Pipeline  System  (TAPS)  North  Slope                                                                    
production  on  a  daily frequency.  The  chart  included  a                                                                    
dotted  line  reflecting  cumulative production  going  from                                                                    
zero to  300 million  barrels on  the right.  He highlighted                                                                    
that   actual  production   varied  substantially;   it  was                                                                    
impossible  for DNR  to forecast  daily variations,  but the                                                                    
forecast was  relatively close. He pointed  out a separation                                                                    
occurring beginning in January  reflecting the Point Thomson                                                                    
sales line  freeze along with  the cumulative affect  of the                                                                    
number  of  wells  drilled  on  the  North  Slope  and  some                                                                    
variations on the forecast for various fields.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:48:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage  asked about the  impetus behind  the slide                                                                    
and the month by month forecast.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Crowther   referenced    the   earlier   question   by                                                                    
Representative  Stapp  about   historical  accuracy  looking                                                                    
back. The  department thought  that adding  more information                                                                    
and  more historical  detail would  help  explain the  small                                                                    
variances and  give more credibility and  information to the                                                                    
legislature and  public. He noted  that the  committee would                                                                    
see the same format later in the presentation as well.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan asked if  the department went back and                                                                    
adjusted  the  1  percent  in   FY  24.  Alternatively,  she                                                                    
wondered if the calculation bias  had only been addressed in                                                                    
future forecasts.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier  answered that DNR  did not fix  the calculation                                                                    
bias  for   prior  years.  The  presentation   included  the                                                                    
calculation  bias. The  change would  only appear  in future                                                                    
forecasts.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked if the  future was FY 25  or FY                                                                    
26.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier answered FY 25.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin   observed  there   was  a   slip  in                                                                    
production in May through August.  She thought it was fairly                                                                    
normal to  see a slip during  that time. She asked  if there                                                                    
was  anything outstanding  that  occurred to  result in  the                                                                    
decline.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Peltier  answered   that   the   summer  months   were                                                                    
exceedingly  hard  to  forecast.  He  explained  that  major                                                                    
facility  turnarounds  occurred  during that  timeframe.  He                                                                    
believed the downturn  shown on the slide  was indicative of                                                                    
the  turnaround  season on  the  North  Slope in  the  major                                                                    
facilities. He shared  that DNR had not gone back  to take a                                                                    
look  at  which  facility  was  down at  the  time  for  the                                                                    
forecast specifically.  He noted  that there was  a recovery                                                                    
in very early July.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:51:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier  turned to  slide 8 showing  a summary  of North                                                                    
Slope  production comparing  FY 24  with FY  23. He  relayed                                                                    
that all  fields were expected  to decline  year-on-year. He                                                                    
noted  that  a  decline  may  not  happen  every  year,  but                                                                    
generally  over a  two-year period  a decline  in production                                                                    
was expected  in existing oil  fields. The top chart  on the                                                                    
right of  the slide  reflected [North Slope]  annual average                                                                    
daily oil  production from  zero to  600,000 barrels.  In FY                                                                    
18,  production  was at  roughly  518,000  barrels per  day.                                                                    
Production had  declined to just  under 461,000  barrels per                                                                    
day in FY 24. He noted  that the decline was not atypical in                                                                    
a place like Alaska's North Slope.  The change from FY 23 to                                                                    
FY  24 was  about 4  percent or  a decline  of about  18,700                                                                    
barrels per day.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier addressed a chart on  the lower right of slide 8                                                                    
showing production  changes across  North Slope  assets from                                                                    
FY  23 to  FY 24.  The chart  listed decreases  first, which                                                                    
resulted  in  the 18,700  barrels  per  day. He  noted  that                                                                    
increases were shown  at the end of the  chart. The Colville                                                                    
River,   Endicott  and   Kuparuk   River   units  were   all                                                                    
experiencing   natural  decline   offset  with   development                                                                    
drilling.   He  stated   it  was   good  to   see  continued                                                                    
reinvestment in  the fields but  it was not atypical  to see                                                                    
decline.  He  explained   that  Nikaitchuq,  Northstar,  and                                                                    
Oooguruk fields  were all  experiencing natural  decline and                                                                    
did not  reflect anything atypical.  He noted there  had not                                                                    
been any new drilling to offset  the decline and it was what                                                                    
was expected  from a  mature field  being water  flooded. He                                                                    
relayed that  Prudhoe Bay  was the  largest oilfield  on the                                                                    
North Slope, producing well over  200,000 barrels of oil per                                                                    
day. He  detailed that the  decline number looked  high, but                                                                    
it had  to do with  the fact it  was such a  large producing                                                                    
field.  Additionally,  there  had  been  a  relatively  deep                                                                    
turnaround in  Prudhoe Bay in  August 2023 that  impacted FY                                                                    
24. The  last decrease shown  on the chart pertained  to the                                                                    
frozen  sales pipeline  at the  Point Thomson  field in  the                                                                    
first half of 2024.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier addressed increases on  the North Slope in FY 24                                                                    
on  slide 8.  The first  increase  was at  the Badami  field                                                                    
where well  work brought  one of  the field's  biggest wells                                                                    
towards the end of FY 24.  The Greater Mooses Tooth Unit had                                                                    
a new pad  called GMT2, which the operator  had continued to                                                                    
develop, resulting  in production growth. The  last increase                                                                    
was on the  Milne Point field. He elaborated  that the field                                                                    
had  continued to  see  year-over-year production  increases                                                                    
due to the operator's activity.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Josephson    recognized   Representative   Justin                                                                    
Ruffridge in the room.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:55:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp asked for  a summary showing the fields                                                                    
in  aggregate in  terms of  the ownership  and operator.  He                                                                    
stated it would be easier for  him to parse through with the                                                                    
declines  and increases  if  he could  see  the field,  land                                                                    
(i.e., state,  federal, Native land).  He explained  that it                                                                    
would help him  get a bigger picture of  the overall revenue                                                                    
pertaining to production.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  asked  the   department  to  route  the                                                                    
information through his office.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Johnson  asked   if  the   policy  of   the                                                                    
department was to encourage as  much development as possible                                                                    
at all times.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Crowther   answered  that  it  was   DNR's  policy  and                                                                    
statutory obligation  to ensure  there was  full development                                                                    
occurring on all legacy and  new fields. He relayed that the                                                                    
presentation  would   cover  some  of  the   new  activities                                                                    
occurring.  He  referenced  the  decline  shown  for  legacy                                                                    
fields  on slide  8 and  explained  that in  many cases  the                                                                    
fields  had  been  operating  for   decades  and  there  was                                                                    
significant investment  going on. There were  also many new,                                                                    
exciting projects taking  place on the North  Slope that the                                                                    
department thought  would bring increased production  in the                                                                    
future for new fields  or reinvigorated activity in existing                                                                    
fields.  He noted  there had  been a  couple of  significant                                                                    
transactions on  the North  Slope changing  operatorship and                                                                    
ownership of  legacy fields. He  highlighted there  had been                                                                    
new pad development  on the Milne Point  field that resulted                                                                    
in an impressive  production turnaround, rivaling production                                                                    
levels from the field 20  years back. The turnaround started                                                                    
about 10  years back  when Hilcorp  became the  operator and                                                                    
had  started  work  on  a  new  pad  and  work  on  recovery                                                                    
methodologies. He  pointed out that Nikaitchuq  and Oooguruk                                                                    
had  previously been  operated by  ENI, but  the assets  had                                                                    
been   sold   to  Hilcorp.   In   light   of  the   geologic                                                                    
similarities,  DNR believed  some of  the applications  that                                                                    
occurred  on  the Milne  Point  field  could occur  for  the                                                                    
Nikaitchuq and Oooguruk fields in the future.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:59:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  asked when Prudhoe Bay  would reach a                                                                    
typical  hyperbolic curve  and  would level  off instead  of                                                                    
seeing the decrease.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Crowther  deferred to  a  colleague  with past  private                                                                    
sector expertise managing the field.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DEREK  NOTTINGHAM,  DIRECTOR,  DIVISION   OF  OIL  AND  GAS,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT OF  NATURAL RESOURCES, replied that  DNR believed                                                                    
the Prudhoe Bay  field was already in  a hyperbolic decline.                                                                    
He explained that  a 3 to 4 percent decline  per year was an                                                                    
expected  base  level  decline. He  elaborated  that  10,000                                                                    
barrels  per  year  was  close to  that  amount,  with  some                                                                    
additional  production losses  due  to  a longer  turnaround                                                                    
time.  He   relayed  that  there  was   significant  capital                                                                    
investment and drilling that went  into maintaining the 3 to                                                                    
4  percent decline.  He detailed  Hilcorp  and its  partners                                                                    
were  active in  the  field with  well  work, drilling,  and                                                                    
facility projects.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:02:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier  continued to  review slide 8.  He pointed  to a                                                                    
website link at  the bottom of the slide  and explained that                                                                    
the Division of  Oil and Gas worked with the  Alaska Oil and                                                                    
Gas  Conservation  Commission  (AOGCC)   the  past  year  to                                                                    
publish  its oil  production data  in  a chart  form at  the                                                                    
field,  pad, and  well level.  He turned  to slide  9 titled                                                                    
"Status Update:  Milne Point Unit."  The slide  showed daily                                                                    
production  rates  at Milne  Point  beginning  when BP  took                                                                    
operatorship  in  early  1995  through  the  last  month  of                                                                    
November  2024.  The  left  side of  the  chart  showed  the                                                                    
average daily  oil production rate  per month and  the right                                                                    
side of the  chart showed the water  daily production rates.                                                                    
He focused on  the oil production which ranged  from zero to                                                                    
60,000 barrels per  day on the chart. He  detailed that when                                                                    
BP  was the  operator it  achieved  a maximum  rate of  just                                                                    
under  59,000  barrels  per  day  in  1998.  The  field  had                                                                    
declined to  just under 19,000  barrels per day  in November                                                                    
2014. Hilcorp assumed operatorship  of the field in November                                                                    
2014 and had  started a drilling program,  developed two new                                                                    
pads, and  implemented some enhanced oil  recovery projects.                                                                    
As a result,  the average daily production  in November 2024                                                                    
was 47,465 barrels  per day. The production  was the highest                                                                    
it  had ever  been under  Hilcorp operatorship  and DNR  had                                                                    
high confidence  the field would continue  to see production                                                                    
growth and exceed  50,000 barrels of oil per day  due to all                                                                    
of the effort.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Crowther noted  it  was extremely  unusual  to see  the                                                                    
shape like the one shown on  slide 9 for the production life                                                                    
history for fields.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  thought that would be  true and remarked                                                                    
that it was good to see.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier referenced  the two new Milne Point  pads he had                                                                    
mentioned  on slide  9. He  detailed  that one  of the  most                                                                    
recent pads  discussed on the  North Slope was  called Raven                                                                    
Pad  (R-Pad) and  had been  on the  department's key  future                                                                    
project list the  previous year. The pad  had been developed                                                                    
a full  fiscal year faster  than DNR had expected.  Slide 10                                                                    
showed a  status update  of six key  future projects  on the                                                                    
North  Slope.  The  projects were  listed  in  chronological                                                                    
order based  on when  the department  expected them  to come                                                                    
online. The KRU Nuna-Torok project  was a new pad within the                                                                    
Kuparuk River Unit (KRU), the  Mustang Unit was a new single                                                                    
pad development to  the west of KPU, and  the Colville River                                                                    
Unit  (CRU)  Minke  project  size   was  to  be  determined.                                                                    
Additionally,  the  slide  showed   the  large  North  Slope                                                                    
projects including  Pikka Phase 1,  Pikka Phase 2  (new unit                                                                    
and processing facilities), and Willow.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peltier provided  a status  update of  each of  the six                                                                    
fields listed on slide 10.  He began with KRU Nuna-Torok and                                                                    
relayed  that in  2024  funding had  been  approved for  the                                                                    
project and it had  been under construction with anticipated                                                                    
first  oil in  2025. He  reported that  production began  in                                                                    
December  2024   under  the  operator   ConocoPhillips.  The                                                                    
department had  an internal expectation  for a peak  rate of                                                                    
around 20,000 barrels  per day for the project.  He moved to                                                                    
the  Mustang Unit  and relayed  that Finnex  had taken  over                                                                    
operatorship  from  the  Alaska Industrial  Development  and                                                                    
Export Authority  (AIDEA) in October 2023.  Since that time,                                                                    
Finnex had worked  hard to expand the  pad, conduct pipeline                                                                    
tie-in   activities,  and   other  restart   activities,  in                                                                    
addition  to   drilling  two  development  wells   in  2024.                                                                    
Production had  started on  the work in  the past  month and                                                                    
the  department  expected  peak production  of  about  4,000                                                                    
barrels per day.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:07:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bynum referenced slide  9 showing an abnormal                                                                    
curve  where  production  had  declined,  the  operator  had                                                                    
changed,  and production  had increased.  He asked  if there                                                                    
was  specific information  available  on the  result of  the                                                                    
increased production. If  so, he wondered if  a policy would                                                                    
be put forward  to ensure the mistakes  resulting in reduced                                                                    
production would not be made in the future.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peltier  replied  that Hilcorp  had  chosen  to  invest                                                                    
substantial time  drilling new  wells at Milne  Point, while                                                                    
the  previous  operator BP  did  not  drill as  many  wells.                                                                    
Additionally,   the  well   architecture  had   changed.  He                                                                    
detailed  that Hilcorp  had elected  to drill  simpler wells                                                                    
that  were easier  to manage  compared to  what BP  had been                                                                    
drilling in  the past. He  believed the shift  [indicated on                                                                    
slide  9] was  the result  of  the continued  change of  new                                                                    
drilling.  He added  that the  Schrader Bluff  reservoir was                                                                    
leading the change. He elaborated  that the large production                                                                    
wedge shown  for BP in the  past was from the  Kuparuk River                                                                    
formation,  which had  declined  and  continued to  decline.                                                                    
There  was Schrader  Bluff drilling  at that  time as  well;                                                                    
however, BP was challenged with  the cost of doing the work.                                                                    
When  Hilcorp  implemented  its   drilling,  it  was  mostly                                                                    
focused on the  Schrader Bluff resources; there  was a large                                                                    
volume of resource potential in  the Schrader Bluff that was                                                                    
untapped when Hilcorp took over operatorship.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  looked  at the  Mustang  project  on                                                                    
slide  10.  She asked  how  long  AIDEA  had been  the  unit                                                                    
operator prior to Finnex taking  over and whether there were                                                                    
any other units AIDEA was operating.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier would follow up on the question.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Crowther  would confirm the  period of  operatorship. He                                                                    
relayed  that AIDEA  acquired the  assets as  a result  of a                                                                    
series of complex financial  and bankruptcy transactions. He                                                                    
did not  believe AIDEA  had a primary  intent to  retain and                                                                    
develop the  field. He elaborated  that AIDEA had  worked to                                                                    
bring in  partners and  transfer the  field to  an operating                                                                    
company, which  it had successfully done.  Subsequently, the                                                                    
company  had  succeeded  in bringing  the  field  back  into                                                                    
active production.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:10:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked if  the Mustang field  sat idle                                                                    
with AIDEA  for multiple  years or a  period of  months. She                                                                    
knew there  were some legal  issues that led to  the result.                                                                    
She asked if there were any  other units where AIDEA was the                                                                    
operator even if the field was not currently operating.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Crowther replied  that the  department would  follow up                                                                    
with  the   information.  He  stated  that   AIDEA  was  not                                                                    
presently the operator of any other North Slope units.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:11:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier resumed  his explanation of the  fields on slide                                                                    
10 beginning  with the  CRU Minke field.  He noted  that the                                                                    
project  had  not  been included  in  the  department's  key                                                                    
future projects  list the previous  year. He  explained that                                                                    
in the past year  ConocoPhillips drilled an exploration well                                                                    
CD5-32X.  Based  on the  results  of  the exploration  well,                                                                    
Conoco planned  a producer-injector well-pair to  be drilled                                                                    
in  the  current winter.  He  noted  that future  production                                                                    
would  depend on  the performance  of the  producer-injector                                                                    
pair.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier addressed large projects  being installed on the                                                                    
North Slope. Pikka  phase 1 had been  under construction the                                                                    
previous year  when DNR presented  to the committee,  and it                                                                    
was  still  under  construction.  First  oil  was  initially                                                                    
expected in  Q1 of  2026 and  it was now  expected in  Q2 of                                                                    
2026. He  added that  Santos had  indicated in  its investor                                                                    
presentation  it  was  targeting  trying to  get  the  field                                                                    
online in  December of 2025.  The peak rate for  the project                                                                    
was 80,000  barrels per day.  Pikka phase 2 was  expected to                                                                    
follow phase 1. The department  expected the project to move                                                                    
to  the FEED  [Front End  Engineering and  Design] stage  in                                                                    
2025 with a  final investment decision (FID)  in 2027. There                                                                    
was  potential  for  an   additional  80,000  of  production                                                                    
capacity from  phase 2. The  department was  looking forward                                                                    
to seeing  Pikka phase 1  come online in  the next 12  to 18                                                                    
months.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:13:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier  addressed the ConocoPhillips Willow  project at                                                                    
the bottom  of slide 10.  He relayed  that a Bureau  of Land                                                                    
Management  (BLM) record  of  decision  on the  supplemental                                                                    
environmental impact  statement (SEIS)  was issued  in 2023,                                                                    
which  enabled  construction  to  begin in  April  of  2023.                                                                    
Conoco announced FID  in December of 2023.  He detailed that                                                                    
first oil was expected in  2029 and the peak production rate                                                                    
was expected to be 180,000 barrels per day.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  looked at  the  chart  on slide  4  and                                                                    
thought it  appeared the department  was being  hopeful that                                                                    
the Pikka  project would produce  the full  160,000 barrels.                                                                    
He asked if his understanding was correct.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier replied that he  would address the question on a                                                                    
slide later in the presentation.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Crowther  highlighted  that the  legislature  passed  a                                                                    
unanimous  resolution  in  support of  the  Willow  project,                                                                    
which had positive  results for the project.  He thanked the                                                                    
legislature  for  the  resolution.   He  remarked  that  the                                                                    
projects were  getting closer to  startup and the  volume of                                                                    
new production  was unseen in  modern Alaska. He  stated the                                                                    
projects reflected a turnaround  and growth that rivaled the                                                                    
startup  of  the Kuparuk  River  field.  He added  that  the                                                                    
argument could be made that  it rivaled Prudhoe Bay in terms                                                                    
of  new   activity  and  volume  of   production.  From  the                                                                    
department's  perspective,  it was  a  major  change in  the                                                                    
paradigm  on  the  North  Slope.   He  stated  it  was  very                                                                    
exciting.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:15:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier turned to slide  11 titled "FY2024 Summary: Cook                                                                    
Inlet." He pointed to a chart  on the top right of the slide                                                                    
showing Cook  Inlet daily production.  He relayed  that Cook                                                                    
Inlet had  been in  production for  over seven  decades. The                                                                    
field had  a large production  number in the  past; however,                                                                    
there had been seven decades  of decline. The chart showed a                                                                    
daily production  range of zero  to 20,000 barrels  [from FY                                                                    
17 to FY 24]. The chart  reflected a production peak of just                                                                    
over 15,000  barrels of oil per  day in FY 18,  declining to                                                                    
around  8,500  barrels  per  day  in  FY  24.  There  was  a                                                                    
production  decrease  of 450  barrels  per  day (5  percent)                                                                    
between FY  23 and FY 24.  He highlighted that the  oil from                                                                    
Cook   Inlet  was   critical  to   the  supply   of  instate                                                                    
refineries; the  oil was used  to create aviation  fuels for                                                                    
use in the Southcentral Railbelt region.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier  addressed a chart  on the lower right  of slide                                                                    
11 reflecting  production decline by field.  He relayed that                                                                    
Beaver  Creek, Granite  Point, Hansen,  McArthur River,  and                                                                    
Swanson River  units were all experiencing  natural decline.                                                                    
The fields  were all  mature and the  operator was  doing as                                                                    
much as  possible to  produce as much  oil as  possible, but                                                                    
there had  been no real drilling  for oil in the  Cook Inlet                                                                    
for  some  time.  The Redoubt  Shoal  had  natural  decline;                                                                    
however,  rate-adding  well  work   had  restored  some  oil                                                                    
production and cut into the  natural decline. The Kenai Loop                                                                    
and  Middle Ground  Shoal fields  were effectively  offline.                                                                    
They were reflected on the  chart because they were existing                                                                    
units,  but both  were producing  at a  zero rate.  He noted                                                                    
that  Swanson   River  was  experiencing   natural  decline.                                                                    
Trading Bay  and West McArthur  River fields  were producing                                                                    
more oil  in FY  24 than  the prior  year because  well work                                                                    
offset the fields' natural decline.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:18:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin recognized slide  11 pertained to Cook                                                                    
Inlet  oil  forecasting. She  asked  if  the gas  production                                                                    
rates for the fields were similar.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peltier answered  that  it depended  on  the field.  He                                                                    
explained that  some fields had natural  gas reinjection. He                                                                    
elaborated that those fields produced  a fair amount of gas,                                                                    
but  it  was  put  back   into  the  field  to  augment  oil                                                                    
production. He relayed that natural  gas should be declining                                                                    
with the oil  production rate if managed  pressure was being                                                                    
used. He noted  that the oil fields did  produce natural gas                                                                    
used in  the Southcentral  Railbelt; however, they  were not                                                                    
as key as the gas producing fields.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:19:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked about a scenario  where oil was                                                                    
reinjected in  the Kenai Loop  or Middle Ground  fields that                                                                    
were effectively no  longer producing oil. She  asked if the                                                                    
gas was still there and could be extracted.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Nottingham  responded that  if gas  was injected  into a                                                                    
field for  enhanced oil recovery  some of the gas  came back                                                                    
out of the ground with the  oil as the oil was matured. Some                                                                    
of the  gas would get trapped  in the pore space,  but a lot                                                                    
of the gas  did get produced along with the  oil. He relayed                                                                    
that  if  it was  economical,  there  where techniques  that                                                                    
operators could use to recover the remaining gas.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:21:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage asked why the  presentation did not include                                                                    
a list  of key projects  for Cook  Inlet. He asked  if there                                                                    
were not the  volume of projects and activity  in Cook Inlet                                                                    
compared to the North Slope.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peltier answered  that there  was one  key project  for                                                                    
Cook  Inlet.  He added  that  the  Cosmopolitan project  was                                                                    
included on a later slide.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Josephson  referenced   the   use   of  gas   for                                                                    
reinjection and enhanced oil recovery  on the Cook Inlet. He                                                                    
asked if it  would be more meaningful for  home heating fuel                                                                    
because  the  amount  of  oil   production  was  de  minimis                                                                    
relative  to the  North  Slope. He  noted  that rather  than                                                                    
burning  the  gas,  it  was  being  used  for  enhanced  oil                                                                    
recoveries.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Crowther  replied that  the oil  produced in  Cook Inlet                                                                    
was  entirely consumed  by instate  refiners,  which led  to                                                                    
instate fuel  and commodities    there were some  exports of                                                                    
heavy  and residual  ends of  the  crude    for things  like                                                                    
gasoline, aviation  fuel, asphalt  used in  Southcentral. He                                                                    
explained that  the tradeoff would  result in a  fuel supply                                                                    
problem of another  kind. He noted there was  already a fuel                                                                    
supply  problem in  Cook Inlet  as  production declined.  He                                                                    
stated that  the oil itself  was very important.  He relayed                                                                    
that as  operators came  to DNR  with development  plans for                                                                    
different  projects,  the  department  looked  at  what  the                                                                    
projects  targeted  and  how the  priority  fit  with  other                                                                    
things  in  the  operator's  portfolio. He  noted  that  oil                                                                    
continued  to be  important  because of  the  need for  fuel                                                                    
supply  and  the  operators'  ability   to  make  their  own                                                                    
development  decisions.  He   added  that  the  Cosmopolitan                                                                    
project  was a  potential  oil project.  The department  had                                                                    
much more  information about  potential gas  production from                                                                    
existing fields  and potential new  resources that  could be                                                                    
presented to  the committee  at another  time. He  stated it                                                                    
was  related to  some  of the  same  dynamics impacting  oil                                                                    
production,  but  there were  some  unique  factors DNR  was                                                                    
looking closely at.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Nottingham added  there were  no ongoing  gas injection                                                                    
projects for  oil in  the Cook Inlet.  He believed  the last                                                                    
one may  have been  at Swanson River  and the  gas injection                                                                    
for enhanced  recovery was  shut in  several years  back. He                                                                    
would follow up with detail.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:24:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier  transitioned to how DNR  created the production                                                                    
forecast.  He  relayed that  there  had  been no  change  in                                                                    
methodology in  the past three  years with the  exception of                                                                    
fixing the  calculation error. He  moved to slide  13 titled                                                                    
"DNR   Forecast   Process:    Projects/Pools   Included   in                                                                    
Forecast."  He explained  that  the department's  production                                                                    
forecast  started  with a  decline  curve  analysis for  all                                                                    
existing  production  for  all producing  pools  across  the                                                                    
North Slope and Cook  Inlet. The forecast currently included                                                                    
40 pools  across the North  Slope and Cook Inlet,  which had                                                                    
to be  online and producing by  June 30, 2024 or  earlier to                                                                    
be included  in the  decline curve  analysis portion  of the                                                                    
forecast. Additionally,  DNR worked  with the  Department of                                                                    
Revenue (DOR) to have  confidential in-person and in-writing                                                                    
interviews  with   all  of  the  operators.   The  operators                                                                    
provided the  departments with a fair  amount of information                                                                    
it  could  use  to  help gage  the  uncertainty  on  current                                                                    
production and future projects.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier relayed that at  the end of the discussions with                                                                    
operators the past  fall, there were 16  large projects that                                                                    
DNR  considered to  be under  development  or evaluation  to                                                                    
further  include  in its  portfolio  of  large projects.  He                                                                    
reminded   the   committee    that   the   information   was                                                                    
confidential; therefore,  DNR could not talk  about specific                                                                    
projects other than  to communicate that 15  were located on                                                                    
the North  Slope and one was  located in the Cook  Inlet. He                                                                    
clarified  that  the  production forecasting  only  included                                                                    
oil.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:27:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peltier  addressed  slide   14  titled  "Categories  of                                                                    
Production: Ongoing/Current vs  Future Production." He noted                                                                    
that  the department  broke  production up  in  a number  of                                                                    
ways. He explained that existing  fields were referred to as                                                                    
current  production (CP).  He  clarified  that the  category                                                                    
pertained to  ongoing production  from existing  fields with                                                                    
the  expectation that  the fields  had to  be online  before                                                                    
June 30,  2024. He  noted that  the Nuna-Torok  project from                                                                    
the  Kuparuk  River  Unit  and   the  Mustang  project  were                                                                    
included  in the  presentation  as  future projects  because                                                                    
they were not online on  June 30, 2024. He reviewed features                                                                    
and   considerations   pertaining  to   current   production                                                                    
including  well and  facility uptime,  operator spending  to                                                                    
maintain  base production,  and major  changes to  reservoir                                                                    
management.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier  continued to review  slide 14. He  relayed that                                                                    
DNR had made a slight  change to its definition for projects                                                                    
under development. He explained  that under development (UD)                                                                    
pertained  to investment  and infield  drilling on  existing                                                                    
fields.  He highlighted  that  DNR was  leaving  all of  the                                                                    
large projects in  the under evaluation (UE)  category for a                                                                    
risking perspective. He detailed  that DNR never changed how                                                                    
it risked  the 16 large  projects; therefore, it  decided it                                                                    
should not be  changing UD or UE until they  came online. He                                                                    
noted   that  the   categories   had   never  been   treated                                                                    
differently.  He relayed  that UD  and UE  projects required                                                                    
new investment to come online.  He elaborated that there was                                                                    
always uncertainty  in future  well performance  and project                                                                    
scope.  Historical well  performance data  was used  to gage                                                                    
the uncertainty of  the performance of new  wells drilled in                                                                    
existing fields;  however, there was a  lot more uncertainty                                                                    
for new projects in terms  of scope and timing. He explained                                                                    
that   economic   and   commercial  risk   associated   with                                                                    
variations in  oil prices could  impact when a  project came                                                                    
online.  He  noted  that  DNR   did  not  include  the  risk                                                                    
components for infield drilling projects.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:30:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peltier turned  to a  map  showing the  North Slope  on                                                                    
slide  15   related  to  major  projects   under  evaluation                                                                    
considered  in  the  fall 2024  forecast.  He  reviewed  the                                                                    
general characteristics of major UE projects:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
    Projects that were not online by end of FY2024 (data                                                                     
     cut-off date of 6/2024)                                                                                                    
    Higher risk factors than currently producing fields                                                                      
    Known discoveries with identifiable operators                                                                            
    Require major investments                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peltier pointed  to a  map  on slide  15 showing  North                                                                    
Slope major projects. The Willow  development was located in                                                                    
the  west  on  federal  property. The  Colville  River  Unit                                                                    
Narwhal  CD8 and  Minke projects  were located  on a  mix of                                                                    
state, federal,  and private lands. Various  Santos projects                                                                    
were  located  a bit  farther  east  and included  Horseshoe                                                                    
Stirrup, Pikka Unit Development,  Pikka Phase 2, Pikka Phase                                                                    
3, and Quokka/Mitquq. Next was  the Mustang unit. Farther to                                                                    
the  southeast  were the  Theta  West,  Talitha, and  Alkaid                                                                    
projects  operated by  Pantheon  Great Bear.  He noted  that                                                                    
publicly the  company called the  Alkaid and  Talitha fields                                                                    
Ahpun and  Kodiak. He noted that  DNR had left the  names as                                                                    
Alkaid and  Talitha to  reflect the  current unit  names. He                                                                    
relayed  that it  may change  in  the future  and DNR  would                                                                    
change  accordingly.  Farther  to  the east  was  the  Point                                                                    
Thomson  unit operated  by Jade  Energy,  which included  an                                                                    
expansion  project  to  increase  production  rate  and  the                                                                    
Sourdough project, an unrelated  oil prospect located in the                                                                    
southern part of the Point Thomson unit.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  asked if Point  Thomson was  still owned                                                                    
by Exxon.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier  answered that the  ownership was  a combination                                                                    
of Exxon and Hilcorp. He  noted there were some other owners                                                                    
as well.  He relayed that  Exxon was the majority  owner and                                                                    
Hilcorp was the operator.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier  reviewed the Fall  2024 North  Slope annualized                                                                    
forecast  on slide  17.  The chart  showed  the fiscal  year                                                                    
annual average  daily oil production rate  from 2025 through                                                                    
2034 ranging from  zero to 1 million barrels.  The data came                                                                    
from the  DOR Revenue Sources Book.  The department expected                                                                    
average  daily  statewide  production to  be  about  474,000                                                                    
barrels of oil in 2025,  with the North Slope accounting for                                                                    
466,000  barrels  per  day. The  range  of  uncertainty  was                                                                    
roughly 5 percent,  ranging from 424,000 barrels  of oil per                                                                    
day  to 510,000  barrels  per day.  The department  expected                                                                    
production  to  increase  in  the  long-term  as  production                                                                    
projects came online. He noted  that the production forecast                                                                    
was built on assumptions from  the operators. He stated that                                                                    
business plans  could change; therefore, the  slide showed a                                                                    
static  snapshot  in  time  from   the  fall  of  2024.  The                                                                    
department provided an updated forecast  twice a year in the                                                                    
spring and fall.  He highlighted that the data  on the slide                                                                    
included  information  up to  November  [2024]  and did  not                                                                    
reflect any changes since that time.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:34:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peltier asked  to be  reminded of  Co-Chair Josephson's                                                                    
earlier question pertaining to Willow.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson looked  at slides 10 and  17 and observed                                                                    
that DNR  appeared to  be hopeful that  Pikka phase  2 would                                                                    
occur even though FEED had not yet been completed.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peltier replied  that part  of  DNR's process  involved                                                                    
bringing  in 24  experts on  various aspects  for oil  field                                                                    
development to  get a sense  of their thoughts on  the risks                                                                    
of each  of the projects  and to learn whether  they believe                                                                    
the  projects would  happen and  what year  they would  come                                                                    
online. He relayed  that Pikka phase 2 had been  part of the                                                                    
department's  project portfolio  for years.  He stated  that                                                                    
with  the  continued  development  of  Pikka  phase  1,  the                                                                    
confidence  that  Pikka  phase   2  would  come  online  had                                                                    
increased,  but DNR  did not  consider it  to be  a foregone                                                                    
conclusion. The chance of its  occurrence had increased from                                                                    
the previous year, but it  was not guaranteed. He noted that                                                                    
the  production bump  indicated  on the  chart  in the  2030                                                                    
timeframe was more of a direct effect of Willow production.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson recognized  Representative Elexie  Moore                                                                    
in the audience.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Bynum  asked   if   the  information   from                                                                    
operators  took   into  consideration  the   improvement  in                                                                    
technology  resulting in  better production  from fields  in                                                                    
the future.  Alternatively, he wondered  if it was  based on                                                                    
operating plans in place at the time of development.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peltier  answered it  was  a  combination of  both.  He                                                                    
stated  that  sometimes  there  was  talk  about  brand  new                                                                    
technologies. He liked  to use the wait and  see approach at                                                                    
times.  He   referenced  Milne  Point  as   an  example  and                                                                    
explained that  using existing technology  in a new  way had                                                                    
been extremely beneficial. He relayed  that DNR took it into                                                                    
account.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:37:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Schrage  observed that a final  investment decision                                                                    
for Pikka  phase 2 was  expected around 2027. He  asked when                                                                    
the project was expected to meet peak production.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peltier  answered that  first  oil  was expected  about                                                                    
three to  four years after FID.  He added there was  a range                                                                    
of uncertainty around the timeline.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peltier   advanced  to  slide  18   titled  "FY2025  as                                                                    
Forecasted by DNR in Fall  2024: Monthly Forecast with Daily                                                                    
Actuals." He shared  that it had been seven  weeks since the                                                                    
department published its fall 2024  forecast. A chart on the                                                                    
slide showed oil production rate  on the left and cumulative                                                                    
oil production  on the right.  The forecasting  monthly data                                                                    
for  FY   25  shown  in  blue   reflected  the  department's                                                                    
forecast.  He noted  that  the  data on  the  slide was  not                                                                    
something DOR  published, DNR published it  specifically for                                                                    
the presentation.  The chart showed  the Alaska  North Slope                                                                    
(ANS)  daily  production  for  FY  25.  He  pointed  to  the                                                                    
cumulative  forecast over  time (the  orange segment  of the                                                                    
line reflected actuals and the  dotted portion reflected the                                                                    
forecast)  and   relayed  that   prior  to   submitting  the                                                                    
presentation,  DNR had  data through  January  15, 2025.  He                                                                    
remarked that DNR's  forecast and actuals were  right on. He                                                                    
noted that  seasonal turnaround time came  into the forecast                                                                    
around the  end of August/early  September, but by  the time                                                                    
they averaged out, DNR had  about matched actuals, which was                                                                    
a good start for the forecast cycle.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:39:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peltier  turned  to  slide 19  titled  "Fall  2024:  AK                                                                    
Statewide   Annualized   Forecast    (Expected   Case   with                                                                    
Production Categories)."  The slide showed changes  from the                                                                    
spring 2024  forecast to the  fall 2024 forecast.  The chart                                                                    
on  the  left showed  annual  average  daily oil  production                                                                    
ranging  from zero  to  700,000 barrels  per  day. The  blue                                                                    
wedge  showed current  production and  the orange  reflected                                                                    
the  next 12  months  of expected  infield  drilling on  the                                                                    
North  Slope.  He  explained  that  due  to  the  definition                                                                    
change,  all future  projects  and  future infield  drilling                                                                    
from years two through ten  were included in the gray wedge.                                                                    
He highlighted  that the current forecast  was slightly less                                                                    
than  the  forecast for  the  previous  year; it  took  into                                                                    
account how fields  had performed over the  past year, minor                                                                    
modifications had been  made, and it was  a slightly smaller                                                                    
forecast  for FY  25.  He noted  that  DNR anticipated  that                                                                    
factoring  in projects  such  as Willow  and  Pikka phase  2                                                                    
would exceed  the forecast  from 2024 in  the next  seven to                                                                    
ten-year timeframe.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson looked at the  last bullet point on slide                                                                    
19 and remarked  that the Pikka and Willow  projects were in                                                                    
between under development and under  evaluation. He asked if                                                                    
it  was  appropriate to  say  the  two projects  were  under                                                                    
evaluation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peltier answered  that Pikka and Willow  would remain in                                                                    
the under  evaluation category  until they  began producing.                                                                    
He elaborated that  the tools used to calculate  the risk of                                                                    
projects coming  forward would not  change by  simply moving                                                                    
the projects to the under development category.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:42:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Crowther  remarked that the department  was struggling a                                                                    
bit  to clearly  present such  a significant  new greenfield                                                                    
project because there had been  significant new pads or well                                                                    
programs within  existing units,  but there  had not  been a                                                                    
50,000 to 100,000 barrel new  greenfield project go into the                                                                    
currently producing wedge for some  time. He stated it was a                                                                    
good problem to have in terms of how to communicate it.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Peltier highlighted  the  chart on  the  right side  of                                                                    
slide 19.  The chart  showed production bumps  expected from                                                                    
future  projects  that would  come  online  within the  next                                                                    
three  years.  Additionally,  the  chart  reflected  another                                                                    
tranche that  would come  online in  years six  through ten.                                                                    
Overlaid with that was the  spring 2024 forecast. He pointed                                                                    
out  the  difference  indicating  the  increased  confidence                                                                    
pertaining to projects in the outyears.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin observed  that as  the forecasts  got                                                                    
closer  the level  of certainty  increased. She  wondered if                                                                    
forecasts  made ten  years ago  projecting  the present  day                                                                    
production would  have relied on the  majority of production                                                                    
coming from projects under evaluation at the time.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Crowther responded  that there  had  always been  under                                                                    
evaluation projects.  He elaborated that ten  years ago, the                                                                    
under  evaluation contribution  was  highly speculative  and                                                                    
much smaller  and there was  a forecast that trended  into a                                                                    
production  level of  300,000 [barrels]  or less.  He stated                                                                    
that very  fortunately current production  was approximately                                                                    
460,000 to  470,000, dramatically beating the  forecast from                                                                    
ten years ago.  He explained it was due  to numerous factors                                                                    
including   infield   work,   small   projects,   and   rate                                                                    
maintenance.  They were  moving  to a  scenario where  there                                                                    
were large "mega projects" in  the Alaska sense, potentially                                                                    
coming online  and changing DNR's ten-year  trajectory. From                                                                    
his perspective,  it was a  two-point win for the  state and                                                                    
the people of Alaska  because they were dramatically beating                                                                    
the forecast  from ten  years ago and  the forecast  for ten                                                                    
years  in  the  future   was  potentially  better  than  the                                                                    
present.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:46:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin stated her  understanding that DNR did                                                                    
not believe the ten-year  production projections would be as                                                                    
far under as the projections ten years ago.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Crowther  answered that  there was  a tranche  of things                                                                    
contributing  to  the  positive  forecast  and  outlook.  He                                                                    
detailed that the continued investment  in legacy fields had                                                                    
maintained  in  many cases  rather  than  seeing a  dramatic                                                                    
decline (where  instead of  a 3 to  4 percent  decline there                                                                    
was  an 8  to  12 percent  decline,  which was  cumulatively                                                                    
dramatic  over a  10-year period).  Additionally, the  under                                                                    
evaluation projects  that were  in construction  and nearing                                                                    
startup were viewed  as a major new tranche.  He stated that                                                                    
exploration  was a  very  exciting  component. He  explained                                                                    
that  it   was  speculative  and  not   confirmed,  but  the                                                                    
exploration activity  was occurring  in a variety  of areas.                                                                    
He  stated  it  led  him  to have  confidence  that  the  16                                                                    
projects in  the UE  wedge may  or may  not proceed  and may                                                                    
contribute significantly  ten years  out. He  expounded that                                                                    
there  were units  with committed  exploration programs  and                                                                    
current drilling.  He explained that  if one or more  of the                                                                    
programs  turned   into  potential  discoveries,   it  would                                                                    
increase the  UE category.  It was  very encouraging  to see                                                                    
that in every category and  range of measurement, there were                                                                    
things that could be added.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski remarked  that there  was a  180                                                                    
from the  previous federal administration  to the  new Trump                                                                    
administration with  a number of executive  orders targeting                                                                    
Alaska and  its industry. He  asked if there were  steps the                                                                    
state should  take to capitalize  on the  new administration                                                                    
and  how it  would  push  for oil  and  gas production  from                                                                    
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:49:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Crowther  responded  that the  potential  for  expanded                                                                    
activity  and exploration,  which  went  to future  activity                                                                    
that may  lead to  discoveries and projects.  He highlighted                                                                    
exciting areas  beginning with the coastal  plain 1002 area.                                                                    
He relayed that the department  could present in more detail                                                                    
the history  and specific  changes DNR  was seeing  with the                                                                    
new [federal]  administration. He  explained it was  an area                                                                    
where  if seismic  data could  be  gathered and  exploration                                                                    
activity that could occur, it  could be a major contribution                                                                    
in the  longer term  to the  state and  national production.                                                                    
The same  dynamic was playing out  in the NPRA to  the west.                                                                    
The  Willow project  in the  area was  a huge  new discovery                                                                    
that  had moved  into  construction.  There was  significant                                                                    
reason  to believe  there were  geologic prospects  that the                                                                    
new federal  administration was  committed to  supporting in                                                                    
its executive order. He noted  that the governor was focused                                                                    
on   working  with   the   Trump   administration  to   have                                                                    
coordination  and  move  forward in  the  opportunities.  He                                                                    
relayed  that the  department was  prepared to  jump on  the                                                                    
opportunities.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  recalled the  discussion on  Willow that                                                                    
had  been  agreed  on  in  the  legislature.  He  remembered                                                                    
looking at  the previous  Trump administration plan  for the                                                                    
NPRA and its  predecessor Obama plan. He  remarked that even                                                                    
though there was  a four-year term, the work  did not happen                                                                    
overnight.  He   asked  for   verification  that   the  only                                                                    
development thus far was in  the far northeast corner of the                                                                    
NPRA.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Crowther  responded that the  Greater Mooses  Tooth Unit                                                                    
and the  Bears Tooth Unit  or Willow project that  were both                                                                    
under production  or active development and  were located in                                                                    
the northeast corner [of the NPRA].                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  remarked on what  he viewed as  a seesaw                                                                    
back  and forth  between  administrations  on whether  there                                                                    
should be  a two-thirds  versus one-third  or three-quarters                                                                    
versus   one-quarter   available   acreage   for   potential                                                                    
development.  He stated  there was  certainly hope  for more                                                                    
and  an   argument  that  it   was  needed.  He   asked  for                                                                    
verification that "these things take time."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Crowther agreed.  He  stated that  when  there was  the                                                                    
federal   policy   layer   it   included   time,   potential                                                                    
litigation,   and  dispute   over   how   to  effectuate   a                                                                    
development    imperative    articulated    by    the    new                                                                    
administration. The department  anticipated needing time and                                                                    
substantial   work  to   allow  exploration   and  potential                                                                    
additional  leasing  to  occur.   The  department  was  very                                                                    
engaged  in  participating  and   supporting  that  and  the                                                                    
governor  had directed  DNR to  work expeditiously  with the                                                                    
new administration.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:52:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  asked if there  were any updates  on a                                                                    
situation involving  Kuparuk [River  Unit], a  road, Santos,                                                                    
and  ConocoPhillips.  He asked  if  the  situation had  been                                                                    
figured out or if it was still a mess.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Crowther  answered that DNR  issued a permit  to provide                                                                    
for  access and  there was  a legal  challenge. There  was a                                                                    
superior court decision directing  the permit to be vacated,                                                                    
but the state  had appealed the ruling to  the state supreme                                                                    
court.  The  appeal  was  proceeding,   and  the  state  was                                                                    
evaluating with  the parties  how to  move forward  with the                                                                    
litigation. The  department maintained  it was  critical for                                                                    
operators to  work together to ensure  the state's interests                                                                    
were not impacted.  Fortunately, the construction activities                                                                    
had proceeded and there had  not been disputes in real time.                                                                    
The Pikka  project had been  able to proceed timely  and the                                                                    
situation had  remained a  legal, commercial,  and corporate                                                                    
dispute.  The issue  remained active  for the  state as  the                                                                    
department analyzed  how to protect the  state's interest in                                                                    
the  development and  opportunities  in the  future such  as                                                                    
leasing of state or federal  lands located on the other side                                                                    
of existing road networks. There was more work to be done.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:54:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Johnson  asked  for  verification  that  the                                                                    
situation was not slowing down the Pikka development.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Crowther  replied  that  he could  not  speak  for  the                                                                    
operators or  companies, but DNR  had not yet seen  a delay,                                                                    
which was important. He remarked  that the past construction                                                                    
season had been very busy  and there had been cooperation in                                                                    
field activity  operations for  the development  to proceed.                                                                    
If the  department saw something  that was slowing  it down,                                                                    
it would be an immediate concern  for the state and it would                                                                    
do everything it could to prevent it from happening.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan believed  the court  ruling directing                                                                    
the state  to vacate the  permit was in December.  She asked                                                                    
when  the supreme  court would  decide whether  to take  the                                                                    
case.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Crowther  answered  that the  different  administrative                                                                    
stages  had stretched  on for  several  years. The  superior                                                                    
court final decision took place  several months back and the                                                                    
state promptly filed  an appeal with the  supreme court. The                                                                    
appeal was  proceeding and had  not yet been briefed  to the                                                                    
supreme  court. The  state sought  an emergency  stay, which                                                                    
the supreme  court did not  grant; however, it noted  in its                                                                    
order  that the  state had  leave to  seek a  stay again  if                                                                    
there was any indication of  actual challenges to the access                                                                    
on the  ground. The litigation would  proceed with briefing,                                                                    
subject to continued  work to resolve the  issue between the                                                                    
companies themselves  and also with the  litigation with the                                                                    
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Josephson  asked  if  the trial  judge  was  judge                                                                    
[Andrew] Guidi.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Crowther  replied that  judge  Guidi  was the  superior                                                                    
court judge.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Josephson  offered to provide  a copy of  the court                                                                    
document  to committee  members. He  discussed the  schedule                                                                    
for  the following  day. He  noted  that the  oil price  and                                                                    
production were somewhat down from  where the state hoped to                                                                    
be,  meaning there  would  be  some patching  to  do in  the                                                                    
budget.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:58:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 2:58 p.m.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
2025 01 22 HFIN DNR Fall 2024 Production Forecast Presentation.pdf HFIN 1/22/2025 1:30:00 PM
HB 53