Legislature(2023 - 2024)ADAMS 519

02/14/2024 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:38:14 PM Presentation: Alaska Permanent Fund; Capital Market Forecast
02:59:29 PM Adjourn
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Market Forecast by Greg Allen, Chief Executive
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Consultant, Callan and Associates
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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     February 14, 2024                                                                                          
                         1:36 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:36:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                     
to order at 1:36 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bryce Edgmon, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair*                                                                                           
Representative DeLena Johnson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Julie Coulombe                                                                                                   
Representative Mike Cronk                                                                                                       
Representative Alyse Galvin                                                                                                     
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Dan Ortiz                                                                                                        
Representative Will Stapp                                                                                                       
Representative Frank Tomaszewski                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Greg Allen, Chief Executive Officer, Chief Research                                                                             
Officer, Callan and Associates; Steve Center, Senior Vice                                                                       
President, Investment Consultant, Callan and Associates.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: ALASKA PERMANENT FUND; CAPITAL MARKET                                                                             
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Co-Chair Johnson reviewed the meeting agenda.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: ALASKA PERMANENT FUND; CAPITAL MARKET                                                                          
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1:38:14 PM                                                                                                                    
GREG   ALLEN,  CHIEF   EXECUTIVE  OFFICER,   CHIEF  RESEARCH                                                                    
OFFICER,  CALLAN  AND  ASSOCIATES,  introduced  himself  and                                                                    
noted that  he had  been working  for Callan  and Associates                                                                    
since 1988. He had consulted  for the Permanent Fund (PF) on                                                                    
capital markets since  1996 and was a  co-consultant for the                                                                    
fund for two years.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
STEVE CENTER, SENIOR  VICE PRESIDENT, INVESTMENT CONSULTANT,                                                                    
CALLAN AND  ASSOCIATES, introduced himself and  relayed that                                                                    
he had worked for Callan for  almost 14 years and had worked                                                                    
with the Permanent Fund for the last nine years.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson   indicated  that   Representative  Cronk,                                                                    
Representative  Stapp,   and  Co-Chair  Edgmon   joined  the                                                                    
meeting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Allen introduced  the  PowerPoint presentation  "Callan                                                                    
Market  Outlook,  APFC   Asset  Allocation  and  Performance                                                                    
Update"  dated   February  14,  2024  (copy   on  file).  He                                                                    
continued  on  slide  2  and   offered  an  outline  of  the                                                                    
presentation:                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Outline                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          ?2023 year-end capital market review                                                                                
          ?Callan's capital market projection process                                                                         
          ?Current economic and capital market environment                                                                    
          ?Full-set Callan 2024 capital market projections                                                                    
          ?APFC Update                                                                                                        
                2024 Policy Target Portfolio                                                                                    
                Recent Performance Review                                                                                       
          ?Concluding observations                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen skipped  to slide 4 titled  "Callan Capital Market                                                                    
Projection Process                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Process Overview:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     ?Callan updates long term capital market projections                                                                     
     each year in January and uses them for the full year                                                                       
     with all clients for strategic planning purposes.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     ?Projections take into account long term relationships                                                                   
     balanced with current market conditions.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     ?Consensus  expectations  (central  banks,  economists,                                                                  
     asset  managers,   consultants,  etc.)   are  carefully                                                                    
     considered as an integral part of the process.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     ?Each number    return,  risk, correlation    for every                                                                  
     asset class  must be  individually defensible,  and the                                                                    
     numbers collectively need to work  together as a set to                                                                    
     generate   reasonable   portfolios   during   strategic                                                                    
     planning exercises.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     ?Projections  change  slowly  over  time  and  are  not                                                                  
     designed to provide tactical insights.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     ?Process  is  executed   by  Callan's  Capital  Markets                                                                  
     Research  group and  projections are  peer reviewed  by                                                                    
     Callan's Client Policy Review Committee  as well as the                                                                    
     hundreds of clients that use them every year.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     ?Process  is  battle  proven      it  has  evolved  and                                                                  
     improved  but  hasn't  fundamentally changed  over  the                                                                    
     last four decades.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:42:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen continued to slide 5 titled "US Equity Rolling                                                                        
10-Year Returns                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Historical Perspective  US Large Cap Equity                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          ? Historical 10-year return for US large cap has                                                                    
          averaged 10.55%.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          ? 2024 projected return for large cap US equities                                                                   
          is 7.50%.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          ? Historically there have been very few periods                                                                     
          of negative 10-year returns for US equities.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          ? Current outlook is in  lower third of historical                                                                  
          distribution,    driven    by   relatively    high                                                                    
          valuations, concentration, and  secular decline in                                                                    
          equity risk premium                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen elaborated that the  chart showed the rolling ten-                                                                    
year returns for the S&P  500. The fund received its highest                                                                    
return  ever at  20  percent  in 1958.  In  2008 the  market                                                                    
experienced a  negative 10-year  return due  to the  dot com                                                                    
bubble collapse  and the global financial  crisis; two major                                                                    
financial crises in a ten-year period.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen advanced  to slide 6 titled  "Stock Market Returns                                                                    
by Calendar  Year - Performance  in perspective:  History of                                                                    
the U.S. stock  market (233 years of  returns)." The graphic                                                                    
broke down returns on the  stock market by calendar year. He                                                                    
pointed out  that there  had only been  two years  that were                                                                    
worse  than  a  negative   40  percent  since  the  market's                                                                    
inception.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen  scrolled to slide  7 titled "U.S.  Equity Market:                                                                    
Key  Metrics -  S&P  500 Valuation  Measures.  He  explained                                                                    
that  the  chart  depicted   the  long-term  average  market                                                                    
valuation of  price over  earnings at  16 percent  (16 times                                                                    
earnings)  over 30  years. Currently,  the market  (December                                                                    
31, 2023)  was at  the high end  of one  standard deviation,                                                                    
which meant the  market was "pricey" and was  one reason the                                                                    
forecasted growth was 7.5 percent.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:45:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Allen  examined slide  8  titled  "U.S. Equity  Market:                                                                    
Price  Relative to  History -  S&P 500  Index at  Inflection                                                                    
Points  and  quickly moved  to Slide  9 titled  "2024 Equity                                                                    
Market Projections:"                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     ? Projected 10-year annualized geometric returns for                                                                     
     public equity markets are in the 7.5% to 7.7% range.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     ? APFC portfolio employs all of the underlying equity                                                                    
     markets.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     ? Diversification results in higher projected return                                                                     
     than any single building block (7.85%).                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     ? Higher standard deviation for non-US markets is                                                                        
     partially due to currency volatility                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Allen summarized  that the  graph  demonstrated that  a                                                                    
diversified  portfolio "paid  off" with  better returns  and                                                                    
lower  risk. The  PF had  a very  diversified global  equity                                                                    
portfolio.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Allen discussed  slide 10  titled  "Range of  Projected                                                                    
Equity Returns for APFC - 10th through 90th Percentile                                                                          
     ? Projected  mid-point of  range of  10-year annualized                                                                  
     returns  for  APFC  Public Equity  portfolio  increased                                                                    
     from 7.60% in 2023 to 7.85%                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     ?  Projected  mid-point  for Private  Equity  portfolio                                                                  
     increased from 8.50% to 8.60%                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     ?  Valuation  lags for  private  equity  resulted in  a                                                                  
     modestly smaller increase in return expectations.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen  elucidated that  there was  a ten  percent chance                                                                    
that returns  could be  as high  as 15.7  percent annualized                                                                    
over the  next 10-years or as  low as .23 percent  per year,                                                                    
which was  essentially zero. He  added that the  PF invested                                                                    
in private equity,  which had a higher  expected return than                                                                    
public  equity.  The PF  was  gradually  moving from  public                                                                    
equity to private  equity over the last 10 to  15 years. The                                                                    
fund could afford  the illiquidity of private  equity due to                                                                    
its longevity and in turn it gained higher returns.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen  continued on  slide 11  titled "US  Bonds Rolling                                                                    
10-Year  Returns   -  Historical  Perspective      US  Fixed                                                                    
Income                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     ? Historical  10-year return for US  bonds has averaged                                                                  
     5.35%.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     ? 2024 Projection is 5.25%.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     ?  Still no  periods historically  of negative  10-year                                                                  
     return for US bonds.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     ? Current outlook is in  line with long term historical                                                                  
     average.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     ?  Rising interest  rates  have  created higher  return                                                                  
     expectations going forward.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     ?  Consistent cyclical  decline in  bond returns  since                                                                  
     1990.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Allen pointed  to the  chart showing  the rolling  ten-                                                                    
Year  returns on  the bond  market since  its inception.  He                                                                    
noted that the  bond market returns peaked at  14 percent in                                                                    
1990.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:49:06 PM                                                                                                                    
Co-Chair  Johnson referred  to slide  10. She  wondered what                                                                    
was  happening when  public funds  were invested  in private                                                                    
equities.   Mr.   Allen   responded   that   public   funds,                                                                    
particularly  large  public  funds   had  been  moving  into                                                                    
private equity.  He advanced  to slide  27 to  delineate his                                                                    
response to the question. He pointed  to the gray bar on the                                                                    
chart showing the  range of over 100 large  public funds the                                                                    
and  the range  of public  equity allocations.  He expounded                                                                    
that  the public  fund with  the most  public equity  had 65                                                                    
percent of  public equity  versus the  least at  25 percent.                                                                    
The PF had  34 percent; therefore, relative  to large public                                                                    
funds the PF  had a low amount of public  equity; 75 percent                                                                    
of public funds  had more public equity.  The Permanent Fund                                                                    
had more  in private markets  at 42 percent than  72 percent                                                                    
of  public funds.  The PF  had a  high public  equity market                                                                    
exposure because  the fund  had a  longer term  time horizon                                                                    
and was  not taking  a high percentage  of assets  each year                                                                    
unlike  most   public  funds  that  were   paying  benefits.                                                                    
Therefore, the PF could afford  illiquidity better than most                                                                    
other public  funds. He  turned to  slide 28  that contained                                                                    
the  same chart  regarding large  endowments. He  noted that                                                                    
the  endowment funds  had moved  into  private markets  much                                                                    
more than  public funds with  a median  range of over  of 60                                                                    
percent  in the  private market.  He  thought of  the PF  as                                                                    
existing in  between the two  roles of a  public institution                                                                    
and an endowment.  He concluded that the  PF was "relatively                                                                    
underweight  in   private  markets  versus   endowments  and                                                                    
relatively  overweight  in  private  markets  versus  public                                                                    
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked if the other  public funds were                                                                    
primarily pension  and retirement  funds, which was  why the                                                                    
PF was  more like  an endowment. Mr.  Allen answered  in the                                                                    
affirmative.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Allen  concluded  slide 11  and  highlighted  slide  12                                                                    
titled "Starting  Yield Strongly Predicts  Forward Returns."                                                                    
He mentioned that  bond markets were easier  to predict than                                                                    
the  equity market.  The bond  market was  relatively steady                                                                    
over  a   10-year  return.  The  graph   depicted  a  strong                                                                    
relationship between starting  yields and subsequent 10-Year                                                                    
returns.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:54:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen  continued on slide  13 titled "History  of Equity                                                                    
and  Bond  Yields since  1980  -  History of  Yield  (Income                                                                    
Return)    He  reported  that the  chart  showed  that  bond                                                                    
yields consistently  declined since 1981 through  the end of                                                                    
2021.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen  briefly advanced to  slide 14 titled  "History of                                                                    
Equity  and  Bond  Yields  since 1926  -  History  of  Yield                                                                    
(Income Return)  on Stocks and  Bonds." He  summarized slide                                                                    
15 titled "Yield Curve Rose and Inverted in 2022 and 2023 -                                                                     
Level  and Shape  of  the Yield  Curve  Drives Fixed  Income                                                                    
Return Projections:"                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     ? After  a historic  rise in  2022, the  Treasury yield                                                                  
     curve continued  to rise through  the third  quarter of                                                                    
     2023.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     ? Yield  curve has  been inverted  since the  middle of                                                                  
     2022.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     ? Callan's  forecasts assume a  reversion to  an upward                                                                  
     sloping yield curve and  a long-term equilibrium across                                                                    
     the curve.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     ?   We   expect  a   large   and   swift  decline   for                                                                  
     intermediate- and short-term rates.  This drop leads to                                                                    
     capital  appreciation  for  sectors  with  exposure  to                                                                    
     these areas of the curve.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Allen commented  that  the yield  curve  (the yield  on                                                                    
bonds  at  various  maturities) had  risen  since  2021  and                                                                    
inverted in 2022; the worst year in the history of bonds.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen  moved to  slide 16  titled "Spreads  Remained Off                                                                    
2021 Lows but Divergence Emerges                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     ? Spreads  widened in 2023 for  short-dated credits but                                                                  
     tightened in other sectors.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     ? Callan  forecasts assume spreads revert  to longterm                                                                   
     medians over time.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     ? Wider spreads  on the short end  contribute to higher                                                                  
     return projections as spreads fall toward equilibrium.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
      ? Tighter spreads in  other sectors, particularly long                                                                  
     credit,  detract  from  return projections  as  spreads                                                                    
     rise toward equilibrium.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen  explained that spreads  were how much  was earned                                                                    
on  a corporate  bond versus  a treasury  bond. The  widened                                                                    
spreads were  positive for forward projections  on bonds. He                                                                    
continued to  slide 17 titled  "Fixed Income  Forecasts   He                                                                    
communicated  that the  chart showed  the  forecast for  the                                                                    
various  areas  of  the  bond  market.  He  pointed  to  the                                                                    
aggregate  showing  that  longer  term bonds  had  a  higher                                                                    
return along with higher yield  bonds. The chart also showed                                                                    
that the bond  market expectations had risen  from the prior                                                                    
year and had risen substantially since 2022.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Allen examined  slide 18  titled "  Range of  Projected                                                                    
Fixed  Income   Returns  for  APFC   -  10th   through  90th                                                                    
Percentile                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     ? Projected  mid-point of  range of  10-year annualized                                                                  
     returns   for  APFC   Public  Fixed   Income  portfolio                                                                    
     increased from 4.35% in 2023 to 5.25%                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     ?       Projected      mid-point       for      Private                                                                  
     Credit/Infrastructure  portfolio  increased from  6.90%                                                                    
     to 7.25%                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     ? Changes in yields had  a larger impact on the outlook                                                                  
     for  public fixed  income than  for private  credit and                                                                    
     infrastructure                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen offered  that the PF had been  moving into private                                                                    
credit at a similar rate as private equity.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Allen moved  to  slide 19  titled  "Highlights of  2024                                                                    
Capital Market Projections                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Changes and Observations                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     ?10-year  annualized   inflation  expectation  remained                                                                  
     constant at 2.50%.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     ?Public  equity  10-year annualized  return  projection                                                                  
     increased  from  7.60%  to  7.85%.  Projected  standard                                                                    
     deviation   (volatility)  decreased   from  18.50%   to                                                                    
     18.15%.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     ?Public   fixed   income  10-year   annualized   return                                                                  
     projection  increased from  4.35%  to 5.25%.  Projected                                                                    
     standard  deviation decreased  modestly  from 4.20%  to                                                                    
     4.15%.                                                                                                                     
     ?Private  real estate  projection increased  from 5.75%                                                                  
     to 6.00%.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     ?The projected  premium of  private equity  over public                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     markets  equity  declined  year-overyear   due  to  the                                                                    
     public   markets   more   fully   absorbing   valuation                                                                    
     adjustments.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     ?The   projected   premium   of  private   credit   and                                                                  
     infrastructure over  public fixed income  also declined                                                                    
    due to similar dynamics in those two asset classes.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     ?Projected Total Fund return  for APFC policy portfolio                                                                  
    increased from 7.25% to 7.60% (more on that next).                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen spoke to slide 19 titled "Highlights of 2024                                                                          
Capital Market Projections - Changes and Observations                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     ?10-year  annualized   inflation  expectation  remained                                                                  
     constant at 2.50%.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     ?Public  equity  10-year annualized  return  projection                                                                  
     increased  from  7.60%  to  7.85%.  Projected  standard                                                                    
     deviation   (volatility)  decreased   from  18.50%   to                                                                    
     18.15%.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     ?Public   fixed   income  10-year   annualized   return                                                                  
     projection  increased from  4.35%  to 5.25%.  Projected                                                                    
     standard  deviation decreased  modestly  from 4.20%  to                                                                    
     4.15%.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     ?Private  real estate  projection increased  from 5.75%                                                                  
     to 6.00%.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     ?The projected  premium of  private equity  over public                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     markets  equity  declined  year-overyear   due  to  the                                                                    
     public   markets   more   fully   absorbing   valuation                                                                    
     adjustments.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     ?The   projected   premium   of  private   credit   and                                                                  
     infrastructure over  public fixed income  also declined                                                                    
    due to similar dynamics in those two asset classes.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
      ?Projected   Total  Fund   return   for  APFC   policy                                                                  
     portfolio increased  from 7.25% to 7.60%  (more on that                                                                    
     next).                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen noted that with  inflation constant and the better                                                                    
outlook for equities  and fixed income, the  outlook for the                                                                    
PF to  meet its 5  percent real return (actual  return minus                                                                    
inflation) goal was better (higher than the prior years).                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:58:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp asked  what  the annualized  inflation                                                                    
target was  4 years prior. Mr.  Allen replied that it  was 2                                                                    
percent.  He  wondered  if  Callan  was  using  the  federal                                                                    
inflationary target. Mr. Allen  answered that they looked at                                                                    
the  federal  rate as  well  as  many other  indicators  and                                                                    
factors. Representative  Stapp asked  what a 50  basis point                                                                    
increase  in  inflation would  do  to  the projections.  Mr.                                                                    
Allen responded  that there  was about  a 54  percent chance                                                                    
that the Permanent Fund would  exceed what it needed to earn                                                                    
to  make the  payout  on  a real  basis.  A  50 basis  point                                                                    
increase   would  decrease   the  chance   to  47   percent.                                                                    
Representative  Stapp  wanted  to highlight  the  impact  of                                                                    
inflation.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:01:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen continued to slide  20  Capital Market Projections                                                                    
- Summary  of Callan's Long-Term Capital  Market Projections                                                                    
for APFC Asset Allocation Model."  He offered that the chart                                                                    
represented  the framework  for the  PF. It  showed how  the                                                                    
portfolio had been invested by  asset classes. He listed the                                                                    
asset  classes:  APFC  Public Equities,  APFC  Public  Fixed                                                                    
Income,   Private  Equity   Private  Real   Estate,  Private                                                                    
Infrastructure/Credit,   Absolute   Return  (Hedge   Funds),                                                                    
Tactical Opportunities,  and Cash Equivalents.  The midpoint                                                                    
of all of the assets projected returns was 7.6 percent.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz cited absolute  return and hedge funds.                                                                    
He surmised  that the two terms  did not match up.  He asked                                                                    
for  clarity. Mr.  Allen  answered that  hedge  funds had  a                                                                    
reputation of  being risky but  there were  different types.                                                                    
He  explained that  absolute returns  were hedge  funds that                                                                    
attempted  to  not  be  overly   influenced  by  the  equity                                                                    
markets. They  try to balance  their investments by  a long/                                                                    
short equity  strategy. He related  that the  permanent fund                                                                    
intentionally invested  in hedge funds that  were hedged. He                                                                    
pointed out  that the hedge  fund returns were  projected to                                                                    
be  lower  than equities.  He  elaborated  that the  PF  was                                                                    
looking   for   a   portfolio  that   included   investments                                                                    
uncorrelated  with equity  market strategies  and strategies                                                                    
uncorrelated  with  the  bond market.  The  absolute  return                                                                    
meant that if the market  dropped the investment did not and                                                                    
conversely  if  it  rose  the   investment  did  not.  These                                                                    
investments  were performing  better than  bonds but  not as                                                                    
good  as equities  and the  uncorrelated  strategy meant  it                                                                    
reduced the overall portfolio risk.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:04:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen  underlined slide 21 titled  "Relationship Between                                                                    
Expected Return and Volatility                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Expected Return Increases  with Increased Expected Risk                                                                    
     • For  example, investors demand a  greater return from                                                                    
     private equity  than public equity as  compensation for                                                                    
     higher implementation risk and lower liquidity                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     • Lower  correlation asset classes  can fall  below the                                                                    
     capital markets line and  still be efficient components                                                                    
     of a  diversified portfolio  (e.g. Global  ex-US Fixed,                                                                    
     Emerging Market Equity)                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen explained that the  risk return chart was included                                                                    
to show that  investments that had higher  returns were more                                                                    
volatile  or  risky  and  it  offered  a  visual  of  market                                                                    
assumptions. The diversified PF  portfolio was ranked in the                                                                    
middle.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen  addressed slide 22 titled  "Five Percent Expected                                                                    
Real  Returns Over  Past 30  Years." He  indicated that  the                                                                    
chart  showed the  increasing  PF  portfolio complexity  and                                                                    
risk involved to earn a 5  percent real return over time due                                                                    
to the bond market.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  asked about the drop-off  on large cap                                                                    
equities.  Mr.  Allen  replied that  the  large  cap  equity                                                                    
allocation  remained relatively  the same  between 25  to 35                                                                    
percent.  However, the  projections for  large cap  equities                                                                    
decreased.  He   voiced  that  in   the  current   year  the                                                                    
valuations were high relative to  the long term average, but                                                                    
not  too  high.  He  summarized  that  to  the  extent  that                                                                    
valuations  were  high  their  expectations  would  be  low.                                                                    
Callan deduced  that valuations were one  standard deviation                                                                    
above  normal therefore,  the expectations  were lower  than                                                                    
the long-term average.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:09:52 PM                                                                                                                    
Representative  Hannan asked  what the  likelihood was  that                                                                    
the  APFC board  would accept  Callan's recommendations  and                                                                    
direct changes in its investments.  Mr. Allen responded that                                                                    
Callan's  clients  were not  reacting  every  year to  their                                                                    
projections. He  delineated that clients were  observing the                                                                    
general trends and  making small changes in  the margins. He                                                                    
summarized  that  the  slide showed  that  bonds  were  more                                                                    
attractive than they used to  be, which could alter and slow                                                                    
down the headlong  charge into the risky  asset classes like                                                                    
private equity,  private credit, etc. He  indicated that the                                                                    
PF staff  did other  investigations into  market projections                                                                    
besides  Callan's.  He  noted  that  the  PF  staff  was  in                                                                    
constant dialogue  with the board regarding  the appropriate                                                                    
asset class  allocation. The  Chief Investment  Office (CIO)                                                                    
made   suggestions   every   year  regarding   asset   class                                                                    
allocation and changes  were usually small. The  board had a                                                                    
five year plan in place and  in the prior year they modestly                                                                    
reduced  the  allocation  of  private  equity  and  modestly                                                                    
increased the  allocation of fixed  income. He  deduced that                                                                    
it was in  recognition of the fact that  fixed income yields                                                                    
were  higher and  higher risk  was unnecessary  to earn  the                                                                    
same return. Representative Hannan  asked if any of Callan's                                                                    
guidance  to   the  PF  affected  any   decisions  that  the                                                                    
legislature made for things like a bond package or was it                                                                       
unrelated. Mr. Allen answered that  the market was currently                                                                    
not good for borrowers and  would impact different people in                                                                    
the economy  in different  ways. Rising interest  rates were                                                                    
good  for long-term  investors.  It was  more attractive  to                                                                    
investors  and much  less  attractive  to borrowers.  Public                                                                    
finance was involved in both  sides of the market in loaning                                                                    
and borrowing money.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:15:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Center   addressed   Representative   Stapp   question                                                                    
regarding the  projected decline  in large cap  equities. He                                                                    
reminded  the  committee  that  the  data  was  based  on  a                                                                    
hypothetical  portfolio  optimized  for  a  5  percent  real                                                                    
return.  He  noted  that  in  the  current  higher  interest                                                                    
environment it  was possible to  invest in fixed  income and                                                                    
achieve the  5 percent  real return  at less  risk declining                                                                    
from 17 percent to 11 percent.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen  added that bonds  were more  attractive currently                                                                    
than large cap equities.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  wondered how asset  allocation changes                                                                    
affected the  statutory net  income and  the balance  of the                                                                    
fund. Mr. Allen  responded that he had built a  model of the                                                                    
PF  in  1998 that  Callan  had  been  using ever  since.  He                                                                    
explained  that  as  the  PF  had  moved  increasingly  into                                                                    
private market investments and out  of bonds, there was less                                                                    
yield. The money was locked up  longer and it took longer to                                                                    
realize returns, which diminished  statutory net income as a                                                                    
percent of  the size of  the fund. As bond  yields increase,                                                                    
statutory net income will rise;  fixed income was 20 percent                                                                    
of  the  fund and  therefore,  the  yield  will rise  on  20                                                                    
percent of  the portfolio. He expounded  that private equity                                                                    
(16 percent  of the  portfolio) realized returns  by selling                                                                    
investments  and the  realized  gains  became statutory  net                                                                    
income. Beginning in 2023,  private equity gains realization                                                                    
decreased.  He concluded  that private  equity gains  moving                                                                    
into  statutory  net  income  was  cyclical.  Statutory  net                                                                    
income  had  become  less predictable  for  the  reasons  he                                                                    
outlined.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:19:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  referred to slide 22  and inflation rates.                                                                    
She wondered  why inflation kept rising.  Mr. Allen answered                                                                    
that  Callan   had  a  team  of   economists  analyzing  the                                                                    
situation.  He believed  that the  major  news outlets  were                                                                    
inflammatory in  regard to inflation. He  elaborated that in                                                                    
periods of high  inflation the goal of the PF  was to try to                                                                    
maintain the  purchasing power of  the corpus. There  was an                                                                    
inflation proofing  appropriation from the  Earnings Reserve                                                                    
Account each  year to cover  the prior year's  inflation. He                                                                    
shared  that  Callan's  prediction  for  inflation  was  2.5                                                                    
percent on average for the  next 10-years based on a variety                                                                    
of factors.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Allen  continued on  slide  23  titled "Actual  Returns                                                                    
versus  Callan Projections  - Historical  Comparison: Actual                                                                    
Returns  vs. Callan  Capital  Markets Projections  Portfolio                                                                    
(60% Equity, 30% Fixed, 10% Real Estate)                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     ? Our projections have generally been within one                                                                         
     standard deviation of the future actual return.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     ? The glaring exceptions  are the 10-year periods ended                                                                  
     in 2008 and 2009 which  contained not one but two major                                                                    
     collapses in  the equity market: the  Dot-Com Bubble in                                                                    
     2001-02 and the Global Financial Crisis in 2008.                                                                           
Mr.  Allen pointed  to the  chart and  the orange  line that                                                                    
showed the  prediction of  what would  happen over  ten year                                                                    
intervals,  the blue  line was  what actually  happened, and                                                                    
the  green  lines represented  plus  or  minus one  standard                                                                    
deviation.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:24:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Allen turned  to slide  26 titled  "APFC FY  2024 Total                                                                    
Fund Policy Target - Target Asset Allocation                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     ?The Alaska Permanent  Fund remains broadly diversified                                                                  
     across  all  major  public  and  private  institutional                                                                    
     asset classes                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     ?Roughly  58% allocated  to  public market  investments                                                                  
     (publicly traded equities and  fixed income) and 42% to                                                                    
     private markets                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     ?Exposures  to private  equity, private  infrastructure                                                                  
     and  private credit  have been  methodically increasing                                                                    
     over the last  decade at the expense  of public equity,                                                                    
     fixed income and real assets                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson asked  why the  uptick  in inflation  from                                                                    
2.25 percent  to 2.5 percent  was predicted between  2022 to                                                                    
2024.  Mr. Center  confirmed the  question and  replied that                                                                    
Callan was  projecting inflation over  a ten year  period on                                                                    
average. He believed that the  Federal Reserve was committed                                                                    
to  achieving its  10-year target  of  2 percent  inflation.                                                                    
However, given it  was currently over 3 percent  it would be                                                                    
difficult  to  achieve.  He   reported  that  inflation  was                                                                    
declining but not rapidly.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen  continued on  slide 26.  He discussed  the target                                                                    
asset  allocation  for  the PF.  He  recalled  that  private                                                                    
markets were  comprised of Private  Equity 16  percent; Real                                                                    
Estate 10 percent;  Private Infrastructure/Credit 9 percent;                                                                    
and  Absolute  Return  7  percent   and  were  the  illiquid                                                                    
markets.  The  APFC  Public Fixed  Income  was  20  percent;                                                                    
Public  Equities  34  percent;   Cash  2  percent;  Tactical                                                                    
Opportunities 2 percent (S&P 500); were the liquid assets.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen advanced  to slide 27 titled "APFC  FY 2024 Target                                                                    
versus  Large   Public  Funds  -  Target   Asset  Allocation                                                                    
Comparison                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     ?  Low  Public  Equity    Lower  allocation  to  public                                                                  
     equities than  76% of  Public Funds.    Median  is 45%,                                                                    
     APFC is 34%.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     ? Median  Public Fixed Income    Slightly  below median                                                                  
     allocation  to public  fixed income.    Median  is 22%,                                                                    
     APFC is 20%.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     ? High  Private Markets   Higher  allocation to private                                                                  
     markets  than 72%  of Public  Funds.    Median is  31%,                                                                    
     APFC is 42%                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     ? Low Growth Assets    Slightly below median allocation                                                                  
     to Growth Assets  Median is 69%, APFC is 65%                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen  noted that he spoke  to the slide earlier  in the                                                                    
presentation.  He reiterated  that  the  PF's allocation  to                                                                    
growth  assets was  close  to the  average  of other  public                                                                    
funds and  when compared  to endowments it  was conservative                                                                    
with  a  lower  allocation  to  growth  assets  and  private                                                                    
markets and a higher allocation of public equity.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen continued to slide  28 titled "APFC FY 2024 Target                                                                    
versus   Large   Endowment/Foundations    -   Target   Asset                                                                    
Allocation Comparison:"                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     ?  High Public  Equity    Higher  allocation to  public                                                                  
     equities than  68% of E&F's.    Median is 30%,  APFC is                                                                    
     34%.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     ?  High  Public Fixed  Income     Higher allocation  to                                                                  
     public  fixed income  than 70%  of E&F's.    Median  is                                                                    
     11%, APFC is 20%.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     ?  Low Private  Markets    Lower allocation  to private                                                                  
     markets than  72% of  E&F's.   Median  is 63%,  APFC is                                                                    
     42%                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     ? Low Growth Assets    Slightly below median allocation                                                                  
     to Growth Assets  Median is 68%, APFC is 65%                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen moved to slide 29  titled "APFC FY 2024 Total Fund                                                                    
Policy Target - Projected Return and Standard Deviation:"                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     ?Projected  median 10-year  annualized return  of 7.60%                                                                  
     is roughly 35 basis points higher than last year.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     ?Inflation expectation remained the same at 2.50%.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     ?Projected  median 10-year  annualized  real return  of                                                                  
     5.10%  is  an  increase  of  roughly  35  basis  points                                                                    
     relative to last year.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     ?Projected  standard deviation  of 12.65%  is 50  basis                                                                  
     points lower than last year.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     ?Percent  probability  of   exceeding  7.5%  annualized                                                                  
     return over 10-year horizon is estimated to be 51%.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     ?Percent   probability   of  exceeding   7.1%   (median                                                                  
     effective real payout) is estimated to be roughly 54%.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen briefly introduced slide 30 titled "Constrained                                                                       
Efficient Frontier Analysis (50% Private Assets)                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     ?   Efficient  frontier   with   50%  private   markets                                                                  
     constraint.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     ? Strategic  Policy target portfolio is  slightly below                                                                  
     the  constrained  efficient  frontier due  to  2%  cash                                                                    
     allocation and private markets allocation of 42%.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     ? 75/25  Equity/Fixed portfolio is pure  public markets                                                                  
     portfolio  with  slightly  lower  expected  return  and                                                                    
     higher risk.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     ?  APFC Policy  Target  has a  roughly  35 basis  point                                                                  
     projected  return  premium  over 66/34  public  markets                                                                    
     (portfolio with same projected risk).                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen advanced to slide 31 titled "Range of Projected                                                                       
Returns     -     10th     through     90th     Percentile:"                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     ? Projections are ranges not point estimates                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     ? Point estimates are impossible to forecast                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     ? Forecasting ranges is a more realistic goal                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     ? Range  forecasts can supply reasonable  estimates for                                                                  
     probabilities of exceeding a threshold return                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     ? Projected  probability of  2023 Target  Mix exceeding                                                                  
     7.5% annualized return over 10-years is roughly 48%                                                                        
Mr. Allen summarized that the slide showed that                                                                                 
diversification took the good and bad extremes out of the                                                                       
equation to help realize the targeted returns.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:30:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen continued to slide 32 titled "Range of Projected                                                                      
Returns over Various Time Periods - 10th through 90th                                                                           
Percentile:"                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     ?  POMV spending  rule is  equal to  5% of  the average                                                                  
     ending market value for the  first five of the trailing                                                                    
     six years                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     ? Given  expected positive returns, this  translates to                                                                  
     an  effective  payout  (relative  to  the  most  recent                                                                    
     market value) of roughly 4.6%                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     ?  Adding  2.5%  inflation  to  4.6%  yields  a  target                                                                  
     threshold return of 7.1%                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     ? Projected  probability of  2024 Target  Mix exceeding                                                                  
    7.1% annualized return over 10-years is roughly 54%                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen moved to slide 33 titled "Concluding Observations                                                                     
- Callan's 2023 Capital Market Projections                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     ?No change in inflation expectation of 2.50%                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     ?Public  equity   return  projections   were  increased                                                                  
     modestly                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     ?Public  fixed  income   return  projections  increased                                                                  
     significantly                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     ?Yield expectations up across the board                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     ?Private market return  expectations also increased but                                                                  
     by smaller percentage                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     ?APFC Policy Target is well  diversified and lies close                                                                  
     to the efficient frontier for  portfolios with a target                                                                    
     of 50% private markets                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     ?Expected nominal  and real  return for  APFC portfolio                                                                  
     increased relative to last year                                                                                            
     ?APFC  Policy  Target  has  lower  projected  risk  and                                                                  
     higher  expected return  relative to  a public  markets                                                                    
     portfolio with  a 75% allocation  to Global  Equity and                                                                    
     25% allocation to US Fixed Income.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     ?The projected probability of exceeding the effective                                                                    
     POMV annual payout of 4.6% (of current market value,                                                                       
     5% of trailing average) increased to over 54%.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Coulombe  asked  for  the  definition  of  a                                                                    
geometric  return. Mr.  Allen  answered  that the  geometric                                                                    
return  was the  best  measure  of the  actual  return on  a                                                                    
portfolio.  He  delineated  that  there were  two  types  of                                                                    
returns; arithmetic  return (average), and  geometric return                                                                    
(a  different  way  of calculating  and  average  that  took                                                                    
volatility into  account.) He exemplified  that if  $100 was                                                                    
invested and  50 percent was  lost $50 was  left. Therefore,                                                                    
100  percent on  $50.00  must  be earned  to  return to  the                                                                    
$100.00  amount. Volatility  or  losses  lowers the  average                                                                    
return because the losses decrease  the investment more than                                                                    
a  similar gain  returns the  initial investment  amount. He                                                                    
concluded   that  the   more  volatility   the  larger   the                                                                    
difference  between  an  arithmetic  average  and  geometric                                                                    
average. Callan always used the geometric average.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz  asked that if the  fund would transfer                                                                    
to  a  single  endowment  structure,  would  it  impact  the                                                                    
performance of  the fund overall.  Mr. Allen  responded that                                                                    
it was  a significant  issue. He relayed  that the  APFC was                                                                    
managing the  fund for the  highest return per unit  of risk                                                                    
and did not  pay attention to the two  account structure. He                                                                    
indicated that  returns would  be sacrificed  if investments                                                                    
were  made just  to generate  income for  the ERA.  However,                                                                    
with the new  structure of withdrawing the 5  percent of the                                                                    
previous five  year average market value  (percent of market                                                                    
value POMV), the ERA was  likely to come under some pressure                                                                    
over  the  next  ten  years especially  if  large  inflation                                                                    
proofing adjustments were made.  He summarized that anything                                                                    
withdrawn from  the ERA  had the dual  effect of  making the                                                                    
principle larger  and the ERA  smaller and  unrealized gains                                                                    
were allocated  between the ERA  and the principal  based on                                                                    
the  ratio of  the two.  He predicted  that the  issue would                                                                    
become a "big deal".                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:36:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Allen  continued  that a  pure  endowment  model  could                                                                    
easily  afford  the 5  percent  POMV.  In a  real  endowment                                                                    
model, the  5 percent would  decrease more gradually  if the                                                                    
market was down  in some years of the five  year average. He                                                                    
characterized  the   two  account   structure  as   a  cliff                                                                    
structure.  He relayed  a  personal  antidote regarding  the                                                                    
issue.  He  currently  felt  that getting  rid  of  the  two                                                                    
account   system  would   stabilize   the  revenue   source.                                                                    
Representative Ortiz  asked if  there would be  any downside                                                                    
to  getting  rid of  the  two  structure system.  Mr.  Allen                                                                    
responded that there was a concern  that   the ERA protected                                                                    
the  principal. He  exemplified that  the legislature  could                                                                    
increase the POMV  to 10 percent or more in  a one structure                                                                    
model  because the  POMV  was not  in  the Constitution.  He                                                                    
pointed out  that it would  take a  Constitutional Amendment                                                                    
to  change   the  two  account  structure.   He  would  also                                                                    
recommend constitutionalizing  the 5 percent  spending limit                                                                    
and eliminating  the two account  structure. He did  not see                                                                    
any downside  with the 5  percent/5 year  average withdrawal                                                                    
in  a one  account structure.  He viewed  that the  downside                                                                    
would be if the two  account structure was eliminated was if                                                                    
the spending limit was not also constitutionalized.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:41:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski  asked what the fund  would do if                                                                    
the United  States dollar lost its  reserve currency status.                                                                    
Mr. Allen was unable to answer the question.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Coulombe  cited slide  29 and  referenced the                                                                    
projected standard  deviation of 12.65 percent.  She thought                                                                    
that the  projections were around  6 percent. She  asked for                                                                    
clarity.  Mr.  Allen answered  that  12.65  percent was  the                                                                    
standard deviation  for the portfolio.  He recalled  that it                                                                    
had decreased  from approximately 13.1 percent  in the prior                                                                    
year. The decrease  came from the fact that  some funds were                                                                    
moved out of  private equity and fixed  income increased. He                                                                    
noted  that   generally  speaking,  it  was   a  lower  risk                                                                    
portfolio than in the prior year.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:44:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Center  returned to slide  3 to remind the  committee of                                                                    
how  things ended  up in  2023. Slide  3 was  titled "Public                                                                    
Markets Surge in 4Q, Following Decline in 3Q                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Stocks have recovered losses of 2022; bonds still have                                                                     
     ground to make up.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     S&P 500 soared 11.7% in 4Q23                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          ? Loss  through first  three quarters of  2022 was                                                                  
          23.9%; the rebound in  the following five quarters                                                                    
          brought  the index  back to  a positive  return of                                                                    
          1.7% over the past two years.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Fixed income recovered in 4Q, up 6.8% after a sharp                                                                        
     loss of 3.2% in 3Q                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          ?  The  Bloomberg  Aggregate   was  on  track  for                                                                  
          another  negative year  through 3Q;  softening Fed                                                                    
          language on rates and a  dot plot that showed cuts                                                                    
          on the horizon in 4Q turned the market around.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          ? CPI-U declined  in 4Q compared to  3Q, though up                                                                  
          3.4%  year-over-year;  the   index  is  still  10%                                                                    
          higher than it was at the start of 2022.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Economic data defied expectations of recession in 2023                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          - GDP  growth came in at  2.1% in 1Q, 2.2%  in 2Q,                                                                    
          and jumped  to a stunning 4.9%  in 3Q. Preliminary                                                                    
          4Q forecasts have GDP over 2%.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          ? Job  market remains solid, providing  support to                                                                  
          Fed efforts to fight inflation.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Center  interpreted the  data  from  the chart  on  the                                                                    
slide.  He  elaborated  that  the  US  equity  markets  were                                                                    
positive and had  increased by 4 percent.  The global equity                                                                    
markets were also positive and  developed market stocks were                                                                    
up about 18 percent while  emerging markets had increased by                                                                    
10 percent in  the prior year. The fixed  income markets had                                                                    
the best  fourth quarter since  1989, an increase of  over 6                                                                    
percent.  He shared  some concerns  in the  private markets;                                                                    
private equity had slowed. However,  the final numbers  were                                                                    
not available  until mid-April of  2024. It  was anticipated                                                                    
that the  numbers would  be flat  to negative.  In addition,                                                                    
the real  estate market  had decreased by  9 percent  in the                                                                    
third  quarter. He  concluded that  the  private market  was                                                                    
"suffering." He noted  that the PF had  a significant amount                                                                    
of investment in the private  markets, which would drive the                                                                    
performance  differences depicted  in  the following  slides                                                                    
for large public funds and endowments.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  asked about leases  expiring on  open real                                                                    
estate and what to expect  in the future. Mr. Center replied                                                                    
that "there was  a wave coming over the next  three years on                                                                    
both expiring  leases and refinancing on  institutional real                                                                    
estate." He reported  that "a lot" of  debt on institutional                                                                    
real  estate  debt  was  coming due  that  was  financed  by                                                                    
private debt  and banks and  it would need to  be refinanced                                                                    
at 7  percent to  8 percent interest  versus the  original 2                                                                    
percent  interest. That  would change  the valuation  of the                                                                    
real  estate that  was also  experiencing  high vacancy  and                                                                    
soon  to   be  higher  borrowing  costs.   Co-Chair  Johnson                                                                    
wondered  how  long  it  would take  for  the  situation  to                                                                    
develop.  Mr.   Center  ascertained   that  it   would  take                                                                    
approximately  3 years  before the  bottom would  happen. He                                                                    
discussed some upsides to the real estate market.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:50:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Center  continued on slide  35 titled : APFC  Total Fund                                                                    
Historical Returns - Total Fund versus Total Fund Targets:"                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Total Fund is ahead of benchmark (APFC Total Fund                                                                          
     Target) for all time periods other than the most                                                                           
     recent year                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     ?Total Fund trails the CPI + 5% objective over the                                                                       
     last three years over the 10 and period                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     ?While the Total Fund protected well on the downside                                                                     
     in 2022, it failed to capture the market snap-back in                                                                      
     2023                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Center  indicated that the benchmark  index was designed                                                                    
to closely mimic the way that  the PF was being invested. He                                                                    
characterized  it  as a  strong  way  to track  the  overall                                                                    
performance of the  PF relative to how it  was invested over                                                                    
time. He  cautioned that  it should not  be expected  to get                                                                    
CPI  (Consumer Price  Index) plus  five  percent each  year.                                                                    
However, it  should over  a 5 to  10-year time  horizon. The                                                                    
fund lagged its  total fund target by about  2.2 percent for                                                                    
the calendar year that was  driven by it being "underweight"                                                                    
in  the public  equity market  and slightly  "overweight" to                                                                    
the private  equity market relative  to its target.  The two                                                                    
asset classes sightly underperformed  its benchmarks for the                                                                    
calendar  year.   However,  the  PF  had   outperformed  its                                                                    
benchmark over  the twenty  year time  period by  between .5                                                                    
parent and .7 percent and  performed at 7.3 percent over the                                                                    
time period.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Allen interjected that in the  early part of the 20 year                                                                    
period the fund was heavily  invested in bonds and gradually                                                                    
diversified which increased the  probability of reaching its                                                                    
benchmarks. Mr. Center added that  the fund outperformed its                                                                    
benchmark even when the markets were negative.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Center  continued to  slide 36  titled "APFC  Total Fund                                                                    
Cumulative Return  vs CPI  + 5% -  Total Fund  versus Return                                                                    
Objective:"                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   • Chart shows the path of Total Fund returns versus the                                                                      
     long-term return objective of CPIU + 5%                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
        ?Over the long term the Total Fund has fallen                                                                         
        slightly behind the objective                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
        ?The volatility of an investment strategy that can                                                                    
        keep pace with this objective over the long term                                                                        
        will result in periods underperformance                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Center  summarized the chart  depicting that the  PF had                                                                    
generally  kept pace  with the  CPI plus  5 percent  "fairly                                                                    
well."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:54:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Center advanced  to slide  37 titled  "APFC Total  Fund                                                                    
Ranking versus Large Public Funds  - Total Fund versus Large                                                                    
Public Fund Peer Group:"                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     ?Total Fund ranks very competitively versus large                                                                        
     public funds over longer time periods                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     ?Underperformance over the last year was significant                                                                     
     due to higher public equity allocations in larger                                                                          
     public funds                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     ?Over the last year, the APFC public and private                                                                         
     equity portfolios have underperformed their respective                                                                     
     benchmarks                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Center delineated  that the  median large  public funds                                                                    
plan  returned roughly  12.3 percent  while the  PF returned                                                                    
about 8.4 percent in the  prior year driven by public equity                                                                    
market  increases. However,  the PF  performed above  median                                                                    
than  the average  large public  fund and  was ahead  of its                                                                    
benchmark over any time period over the last 20 years.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Center  continued to  slide 38  titled "APFC  Total Fund                                                                    
Ranking  versus Large  Endowment Funds  - Total  Fund versus                                                                    
Large Endowment/Foundation Fund Peer Group:"                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     ?Total  Fund  ranks  closer   to  median  versus  Large                                                                  
     Endowment and Foundation universe                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     ?This is  because the APFC asset  allocation target has                                                                  
     evolved  to  look increasingly  like  that  of a  large                                                                    
     endowment                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     ?Endowments  typically  employ   large  allocations  to                                                                  
     private markets  investments that have  not experienced                                                                    
     the same  price appreciation in 2023  of public markets                                                                    
     investments                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Center noted that the  PF portfolio had looked more like                                                                    
an endowment for the last 8 to 9 years.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Center   continued  on  slide  39   titled  "Concluding                                                                    
Observations - Performance Review                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     ?Total  Fund  has  outperformed  performance  benchmark                                                                  
   over most long-term periods ended December 31, 2023.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     ?Total   Fund   has    underperformed   the   long-term                                                                  
     performance  objective  of   CPI  +5%  over  short-term                                                                    
     periods,  but  modestly outperformed  over  longer-term                                                                    
     periods.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     ?Total Fund performance has  been competitive with that                                                                  
     of large public pension  funds and large endowments and                                                                    
     foundations  over most  longer-term time  periods ended                                                                    
     December 31, 2023.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     ?Asset allocation  of Total Fund looked  more like that                                                                  
    of a large public fund up until about 7 years ago.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     ?Asset allocation of Total Fund has evolved to look                                                                      
     more like a large endowment and should perform                                                                             
     increasingly in line with that peer group over time.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Center concluded the presentation.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:58:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson reviewed the following day's agenda.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:59:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 2:59 p.m.                                                                                          

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