Legislature(2023 - 2024)ADAMS 519

01/31/2023 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:34:05 PM Presentation: Savings Account/budget Reserves/investment Funds
03:03:33 PM Adjourn
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                   HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                      January 31, 2023                                                                                          
                          1:33 p.m.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:33:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                     
to order at 1:33 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bryce Edgmon, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative DeLena Johnson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Julie Coulombe                                                                                                   
Representative Mike Cronk                                                                                                       
Representative Alyse Galvin                                                                                                     
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Dan Ortiz                                                                                                        
Representative Will Stapp                                                                                                       
Representative Frank Tomaszewski                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Adam Crum, Commissioner, Department of Revenue; Pam Leary,                                                                      
Director, Treasury Division, Department of Revenue.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: SAVINGS ACCOUNT/BUDGET RESERVES/INVESTMENT                                                                        
FUNDS                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:34:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson reviewed the meeting agenda.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: SAVINGS ACCOUNT/BUDGET RESERVES/INVESTMENT                                                                     
FUNDS                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:35:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADAM CRUM,  COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF  REVENUE, introduced                                                                    
the  PowerPoint Presentation  "Update  on  the State's  Cash                                                                    
Reserve  Funds and  Discussion of  State  Cash Flows"  dated                                                                    
January 31, 2023 (copy on  file). He introduced Director Pam                                                                    
Leary   and  explained   that  she   would  be   giving  the                                                                    
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  asked if there  were any  questions before                                                                    
the presentation began.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:36:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAM  LEARY,  DIRECTOR,   TREASURY  DIVISION,  DEPARTMENT  OF                                                                    
REVENUE, introduced herself and began  on slide 2 to go over                                                                    
the agenda  for the  presentation. She  advanced to  slide 3                                                                    
briefly  and  relayed the  four  elements  of the  treasury:                                                                    
investment  management,  cash management,  debt  management,                                                                    
and  unclaimed property.  She moved  to slide  4 to  discuss                                                                    
some  statistics  about  the treasury.  The  slide  read  as                                                                    
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   • 45 Treasury Division staff positions, most of whom                                                                       
     touch investments in some capacity via portfolio                                                                           
     management, accounting, operations, compliance, debt                                                                       
    management, cash management and unclaimed property.                                                                         
   • $46.8 billion in assets under management (AUM) as of                                                                     
     12/31/22.                                                                                                                  
   • Combined operating budget of $15.3 million.                                                                              
   • The Division is a resource to state fiduciaries, state                                                                   
     agencies, the legislature and the general public.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  advanced to  slide 5 to  go over  some investment                                                                    
management information.  Of the  $47 billion in  assets held                                                                    
by the treasury, 47 assets  were in separate accounts. There                                                                    
were 14  defined benefit funds  and four  participant direct                                                                    
funds  under   the  direction   of  the   Alaska  Retirement                                                                    
Management Board  (ARMB). Additionally, 25 funds  were under                                                                    
the purview  of the commissioner  of revenue and  four funds                                                                    
were  under the  direction of  other state  fiduciaries. She                                                                    
explained   that  accounts   were   managed   in  a   pooled                                                                    
environment which  was an efficient  way to  invest multiple                                                                    
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz returned  to slide  4 and  referred to                                                                    
the 45  staff treasury division  positions. He asked  if the                                                                    
number  of positions  had remained  stable or  if it  had it                                                                    
grown over the years.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary responded  that the  growth  had been  relatively                                                                    
flat. There  was some  growth about ten  years ago,  but the                                                                    
division had  remained at about  40 to 45 staff  on average.                                                                    
The division currently had about six vacancies.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz  asked  for clarification  that  there                                                                    
were 45 positions and 39 of them were filled.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary replied that Representative Ortiz was correct.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:39:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  continued on  slide 5.  She indicated  that there                                                                    
were seven asset  classes that rolled up  into 23 investment                                                                    
pools in  which retirement  funds were  invested. Similarly,                                                                    
the  state had  nine pools  in  which state  funds could  be                                                                    
invested. She  advanced to slide  6 to continue to  speak on                                                                    
investment management. The slide read as follows:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
  • The Chief Investment Officer and staff meet regularly                                                                     
     with the Commissioner, ARMB or other fiduciary to                                                                          
     discuss and determine asset allocations.                                                                                   
   • Consideration is given to:                                                                                               
          the type and use of the fund.                                                                                         
          how long the fund is expected to be invested.                                                                         
          what type of risk the fund can take.                                                                                  
     • Callan's Capital Markets Assumptions and other                                                                         
     industry data are used to build models to generate                                                                         
     potential asset allocation targets.                                                                                        
   • Invest, Invest, Invest!                                                                                                  
   • State Investment Review and ARMB meetings are held                                                                       
     quarterly  to  review performance,  investment  policy,                                                                    
     and  asset allocations  with an  independent investment                                                                    
     advisory  committee. Summaries  and  materials for  the                                                                    
     meetings are publicly available on our website.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  advanced  to  slide  7  to  speak  on  the  cash                                                                    
management  sector of  the treasury.  She  relayed that  the                                                                    
cash management  group had an  important job  that generally                                                                    
happened under the radar and  involved monitoring all of the                                                                    
cash coming  in and  out of the  state. The  cash management                                                                    
group   also   managed  procurement,   administration,   and                                                                    
implementation of  all statewide banking  service contracts,                                                                    
including warrant clearing  contracts, primary and alternate                                                                    
depository  services  contracts,  automated  clearing  house                                                                    
(ACH)   origination   contracts,  credit   card   acceptance                                                                    
contracts,   and  treasury   management  system   contracts.                                                                    
Additionally, the  group was responsible for  projecting and                                                                    
reconciling,  on a  daily basis,  all incoming  and outgoing                                                                    
cashflows to  determine excess funds that  could be invested                                                                    
by the staff.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  continued to slide  8 to discuss  debt management                                                                    
as follows:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   • Implement directives from the Commissioner's office                                                                      
     and the State Bond Committee ('SBC') on policy                                                                             
     decisions   related    to   debt    issuances,   rating                                                                    
     strategies, and potential use of debt capacity.                                                                            
   • Coordinate activity among various professionals for                                                                      
     any authorized debt issuance (bond counsel, financial                                                                      
     advisor, arbitrage, underwriter).                                                                                          
   • Conduct meetings with Rating Agencies.                                                                                   
   • Prepare all statutorily required reporting:  Revenue                                                                     
     Sources Book                                                                                                               
          Annual Comprehensive Financial Report                                                                                 
          Alaska Public Debt Book                                                                                               
          Alaska Debt Affordability Analysis                                                                                    
   • Perform all continuing disclosure undertakings for                                                                       
     outstanding bonds.                                                                                                         
   • Provide leadership and staff for the Alaska Municipal                                                                    
     Bond Bank Authority (AMBBA).                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  continued  on  slide 9  to  speak  on  unclaimed                                                                    
property.  She  explained  that  February  1  was  unclaimed                                                                    
property  day nationally.  The division  encouraged everyone                                                                    
in the state  to look through the  unclaimed property listed                                                                    
on  the  website  [unclaimedproperty.alaska.gov] to  see  if                                                                    
their  name was  included in  the  list. The  duties of  the                                                                    
unclaimed property  group included the  following: providing                                                                    
services to reunite owners,  heirs, or legal representatives                                                                    
with  their unclaimed  property; determining  entitlement by                                                                    
analyzing   statutes,  court   orders,   legal  cases,   and                                                                    
reviewing   evidence;  and   promoting  unclaimed   property                                                                    
reporting.  There  were   currently  1.8  million  claimable                                                                    
properties in the state with a value of $258 million.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:45:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan   asked  how  long  the   state  held                                                                    
unclaimed  property  before it  became  a  state asset.  She                                                                    
asked  if  there  was  a  legal process  to  arrive  at  the                                                                    
conclusion  that the  property would  never be  claimed. She                                                                    
wondered if the property would  become an asset of the state                                                                    
or if it  would always be a liability  because an individual                                                                    
could return at any time and ask for the property.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary responded  that there was always  a liability that                                                                    
was owed and  individuals could always ask  for the property                                                                    
from the state. There was a  reserve of money that would not                                                                    
go  to  the state  that  would  always  be available  if  an                                                                    
individual decided  to claim  the property.  The beneficiary                                                                    
of the  excess funds was the  general fund and if  there was                                                                    
ever a situation where the  state needed more money to repay                                                                    
an individual, it  would likely be sourced  from the general                                                                    
fund. However, such  an event had never  happened because of                                                                    
the available reserve of money.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan asked  if there  was obligation  from                                                                    
the unclaimed property division  to seek out property owners                                                                    
or was the burden upon the legal entity.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary responded  that the burden was  on the individual,                                                                    
however the systems had recently  been updated which allowed                                                                    
the group  to cross-reference names with  other databases to                                                                    
reunite the owner with the property.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:47:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp asked if  the $258 million in unclaimed                                                                    
property was kept in a liquid fund.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  responded that there  was a database  that showed                                                                    
everything that was held and  the amount that was claimable.                                                                    
The value  of the fund  ranged depending upon the  amount of                                                                    
unclaimed  property.  There had  recently  been  a surge  in                                                                    
unclaimed property  coming through  the division and  it was                                                                    
working through the claims. The  amount in the fund was just                                                                    
enough  to cover  a year's  worth  of anticipated  unclaimed                                                                    
property claims.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp asked for  clarification that there was                                                                    
an actual fund in existence. He  asked what the point was of                                                                    
keeping a  separate fund if it  was going to be  paid out of                                                                    
general  fund dollars.  He  wondered if  there  was a  legal                                                                    
reason.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary would follow up with the information.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary continued on slide  10 and discussed some treasury                                                                    
accomplishments.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
   • Professional Certifications:                                                                                             
          Increase in professional designations: CFAs,                                                                          
          CPAs, CIPMs & CTPs                                                                                                    
  • Delivered outstanding investment performance results:                                                                     
          In FY22, PERS and TRS performance of -4.1%                                                                            
          resulted in an average  of 9.0% during the 38-year                                                                    
          history of  the retirement systems. Over  the past                                                                    
          decade,  the   systems  have   outperformed  their                                                                    
          benchmark by 126 basis  points and the median peer                                                                    
          plan  by  98  bps.  This  performance  places  the                                                                    
          systems well into  the top quartile, outperforming                                                                    
          over 85% of peer plans.                                                                                               
          State assets have grown by 9.0% in the last 12                                                                        
          months, largely outperforming fund benchmarks.                                                                        
   • ARMB Savings:                                                                                                            
          $35 million annual savings in management fees by                                                                      
          reducing  the  amount   of  assets  invested  with                                                                    
          external investment  managers and  investing those                                                                    
          assets utilizing Treasury Investment Officers.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  pointed   out  that  the  retirement                                                                    
system was listed  to be 38 years old. She  thought that the                                                                    
retirement system was older than 38 years.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary responded that  Representative Hannan was correct.                                                                    
The 38-year  time frame referred  to the time  period during                                                                    
which the  division had  investment and  performance history                                                                    
information  for  the  aggregate   group  of  funds  it  was                                                                    
managing.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:53:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  asked if it would  suggest that it                                                                    
was an easy  target to meet if a person  was interested in a                                                                    
pension reform  plan and the  formula relied on less  than 7                                                                    
percent returns on average.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary asked him to  rephrase the question. She explained                                                                    
that a 7.3  percent actuarial rate was  currently being used                                                                    
by the actuaries when they  looked at their calculations for                                                                    
the  funding status  of  the plans.  If  the percentage  was                                                                    
under the actuarial amount, which was  the case in FY 22, it                                                                    
would mean that  there was less of a funded  status when all                                                                    
of the  actuarial math  occurred. The  needs were  being met                                                                    
from  an investment  perspective  over the  lifetime of  the                                                                    
plan.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  remarked that about a  year prior,                                                                    
ARMB  indicated that  the revenue  commissioner at  the time                                                                    
concluded  that  the  health  commissioner  at  the  [Alaska                                                                    
Mental Health  Trust Authority (AMHTA)]  trust did  not need                                                                    
additional funding. The legislature  and ARMB did not agree.                                                                    
He had been  told that the medical section of  the trust was                                                                    
the  portion that  resulted  in the  demise  of the  defined                                                                    
benefits plan,  but it  was now fully  solvent. He  asked if                                                                    
there was an easy explanation.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary   replied  that  the  topic   required  a  longer                                                                    
presentation  and would  be better  met by  the Division  of                                                                    
Retirement and Benefits (DRB). There  was overfunding of the                                                                    
healthcare  plan  assets in  the  last  two years  and  ARMB                                                                    
decided against contributing additional  funds to the plans.                                                                    
The money  from the healthcare  plans could not be  used for                                                                    
the pension plans due to legal requirements.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  had heard  talk the  previous year                                                                    
that the  unfunded liability had been  resolved; however, he                                                                    
had  also been  told  that there  was  [a liability  of]$6.9                                                                    
billion. He asked if both things  were true at one point and                                                                    
if  the  $30  billion  on   paper  could  be  that  variable                                                                    
depending on plan performance.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  responded  there were  many  components  to  the                                                                    
funding status. Healthcare  costs had gone up  and gone down                                                                    
and had  a broad  impact and many  components could  lead to                                                                    
fully  funded statuses,  overfunded  statuses, and  unfunded                                                                    
statuses. All  of the information was  analyzed by actuaries                                                                    
each year. Every four years, an  actuary did a deep dive and                                                                    
completed   a  separate   analysis   to   ensure  that   the                                                                    
assumptions were valid.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:59:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson asked  about  the  difference between  the                                                                    
investment earnings and the Permanent Fund earnings.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  replied  that  over   the  38-year  period,  the                                                                    
performance was  neck-in-neck. Sometimes the  performance of                                                                    
the  Permanent Fund  was  higher,  sometimes the  retirement                                                                    
plans were higher. The two  targeted very different mandates                                                                    
and  different asset  allocations. She  understood that  the                                                                    
Alaska Permanent Fund Corporation  (APFC) came in just under                                                                    
9 percent  over the 38-year  period. However over  30 years,                                                                    
the total was 7.95 percent for  APFC and 7.8 percent for the                                                                    
treasury.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  asked if  the numbers  were broken  out by                                                                    
internal and external investment officers.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary responded that she  was not sure what the breakout                                                                    
was for APFC, but it was about  half and half for all of the                                                                    
assets  that the  treasury  managed for  the  state and  for                                                                    
ARMB. All  fixed income  was done  internally, and  about 70                                                                    
percent of management was done internally for state assets.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  continued to slide 11  to speak on the  debt side                                                                    
of the treasury accomplishments. The slide read as follows:                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   • Increase in the State's credit rating outlook with                                                                       
     Fitch and Standard and Poor's.                                                                                             
   • In the past two fiscal years, the Alaska Municipal                                                                       
     Bond Bank Authority has funded  $408.1 million in loans                                                                    
     resulting in  an estimated $55.4 million  in savings to                                                                    
     Alaskans through lowered borrowing costs.                                                                                  
   • Restructured outstanding debt of the airport system                                                                      
     saving   $81.8  million   from   future  debt   service                                                                    
     payments.                                                                                                                  
   • During FY22, Unclaimed Property returned approximately                                                                   
     $13.5 million  to current or  former Alaska  owners and                                                                    
     businesses,  transferred $12.0  million into  the state                                                                    
     general fund, had a 16% increase in reported holdings.                                                                     
   • Maintained    a    reduced   claims    backlog    since                                                                  
     transitioning  to a  new unclaimed  property system  in                                                                    
     FY21, despite a 15% increase in claims being received.                                                                     
   • Since FY19, $90.9 million in cash and stock sale                                                                         
     proceeds  have  been  received as  unclaimed  property,                                                                    
     $45.5M million  was transferred into the  state general                                                                    
     fund and  over $34.4 million dollars  has been returned                                                                    
    to current or former Alaska owners and businesses.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary continued  that in the current  week, the division                                                                    
hit the  $100 million  mark in  terms of  unclaimed property                                                                    
monies paid back to Alaskans  since the start of the program                                                                    
in 1986.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked about the restructuring  of the                                                                    
airport debt  that came  about due to  a cash  infusion. She                                                                    
concluded  that it  came from  federal  monies for  airports                                                                    
that were one-time occurrences.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary responded  that she  was  unsure if  she had  the                                                                    
answer.  She was  aware that  $40 million  in cash  in prior                                                                    
debt service  funds were utilized  for the  restructuring of                                                                    
the  airport  debt. She  was  not  sure  how it  related  to                                                                    
appropriations.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:05:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  advanced to slide  12 to  speak on the  update on                                                                    
cash reserve  and other funds.  She explained that  the next                                                                    
set of slides would highlight six  of the funds in which the                                                                    
treasury invested  on behalf of fiduciaries.  There would be                                                                    
two  graphs for  each  fund: the  first  showed fiscal  year                                                                    
balances and  the second showed investments  statistics. She                                                                    
noted that  the prior  year's market conditions  were mostly                                                                    
not positive due  to inflation and the  dramatic increase in                                                                    
interest rates.  She relayed that  U.S. stocks were  down by                                                                    
19  percent,  broad  market  fixed income  was  down  by  13                                                                    
percent, and  international equity  was down by  16 percent.                                                                    
Although  the funds  were down,  all of  the funds  that the                                                                    
treasury managed  had moderate performances compared  to the                                                                    
benchmarks, with the exception of one fund.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Leary  advanced   to  slide   13  and   discussed  the                                                                    
Constitutional Budget Reserve Fund  (CBRF). The graph on the                                                                    
slide  showed the  historical invested  assets  of the  fund                                                                    
since its inception  in 1990. The blue section  of the graph                                                                    
showed the main fund and  the yellow section showed the sub-                                                                    
fund created  in 2000,  which referred  to money  that would                                                                    
not need  to be used for  five years and could  therefore be                                                                    
invested at a slightly higher  risk rate of return. The grey                                                                    
section  was the  Statutory Budget  Reserve (SBR).  The CBRF                                                                    
was  funded  through  resolutions  of  disputes  on  mineral                                                                    
income. A  simple majority vote  for an  appropriation could                                                                    
happen if  the amount appropriated  was less than  the prior                                                                    
year, otherwise it was a  three quarter vote. She emphasized                                                                    
that appropriations  must always be repaid.  The fund itself                                                                    
had  two  main purposes:  funding  temporary  cash flow  and                                                                    
revenue  mismatches. It  had also  been used  to appropriate                                                                    
for structural deficits in revenue shortfalls.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan stated  that she  had only  heard the                                                                    
fund  referred  to  as  the  Constitutional  Budget  Reserve                                                                    
(CBR), not  the CBRF. She  asked if the only  difference was                                                                    
how the funds  were invested. She understood  that there was                                                                    
no difference in  terms of policy but wondered  if there was                                                                    
a difference in the legal structure and draw.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  responded  that  the  sub-fund  was  statutorily                                                                    
created. It was at the  discretion of the fiduciary, who was                                                                    
the  commissioner of  DOR, to  determine when  and if  money                                                                    
would  come out  of  the fund.  Generally,  the money  being                                                                    
withdrawn from  the sub-fund was  triggered by  a particular                                                                    
event. For  example, all  of the money  in the  sub-fund was                                                                    
transferred to the main fund  in 2015 because it was thought                                                                    
at the time  that the money would need to  be liquidated for                                                                    
funding the budget due to the decreases in the balances.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  asked  for  clarification  that  the                                                                    
legislature  was  not making  the  decision  of whether  the                                                                    
money was  coming from  the sub-fund or  the main  fund. She                                                                    
understood that the  decision was up to  the commissioner of                                                                    
DOR.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary responded that the  money would be coming from the                                                                    
main fund  to support  any expenditures. The  sub-fund would                                                                    
be  liquidated  into  the  main   fund  and  invested  in  a                                                                    
different manner.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:10:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson asked  for clarification  that the                                                                    
CBRF had  no creditor  waiting to  be repaid.  He understood                                                                    
that  the  CBRF  needed  to  be  repaid,  but  there  was  a                                                                    
constitutional promise that the state would repay it.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary responded in the affirmative.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson asked  if Ms. Leary could  provide the same                                                                    
chart that was on slide 13, but with the debt included.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary would provide the  chart. She pointed out that the                                                                    
balances on the slide were  the invested balances. There was                                                                    
a  difference between  the invested  balances  and what  was                                                                    
being  reflected  either in  the  budget  or in  the  Annual                                                                    
Comprehensive Financial  Report (ACFR).  The amount  owed to                                                                    
the CBRF  changed and  that was reflected  in the  report as                                                                    
well.  As of  FY  21,  the amount  owed  was  just over  $12                                                                    
billion and  was expected to be  reduced in the ACFR  for FY                                                                    
22 by around $1 billion due to surpluses.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Edgmon added  that  one could  also  say that  the                                                                    
deposits  in  the CBR  were  above  and beyond  the  amounts                                                                    
required by  law. During time  periods when oil  prices were                                                                    
high, the  legislature deposited  additional money  into the                                                                    
CBR that was not required.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary advanced  to slide  14,  which showed  statistics                                                                    
about  the  CBRF. The  pie  chart  showed the  target  asset                                                                    
allocation of 100  percent cash equivalence. The  fund had a                                                                    
short investment  horizon because  the money had  a constant                                                                    
potential to be used,  therefore the investment strategy was                                                                    
low  risk and  the  investments were  in  money markets  and                                                                    
treasury  bills.  The  current  balance  was  just  over  $1                                                                    
billion as of  the end of December of 2022.  There were also                                                                    
some rolling returns for the  period ending in December. The                                                                    
actual was a 1.6 percent  return which compared favorably to                                                                    
the  benchmark of  1.46 percent.  The short-term  projection                                                                    
for the asset allocation had a target of 2.39 percent.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp referred  to the  projected return  of                                                                    
2.39 percent.  He asked  how it was  certain that  the state                                                                    
would have  a better rate of  return than it had  during the                                                                    
previous ten years.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary responded  that it was a  short-term expected rate                                                                    
of return and that inflation  rates were currently high. She                                                                    
thought  the projected  return would  be lower  if a  longer                                                                    
term view was examined.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp asked  for a  clarification of  short-                                                                    
term.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary responded  that  short-term  was essentially  one                                                                    
year. Most of the returns  later on in the presentation were                                                                    
closer to ten years.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:16:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon  asked if there  was an optimum  amount that                                                                    
should be in the CBR. He  had heard a variety of figures: $5                                                                    
billion, $1  billion, and higher  than $5 billion.  He asked                                                                    
if there  was a  number that seemed  carelessly low  when it                                                                    
came to meeting the state's  cash flow needs. He wondered if                                                                    
there was an optimum number.                                                                                                    
Ms.  Leary responded  that the  fund had  seen a  variety of                                                                    
different balances  and one could  use different  metrics to                                                                    
determine  what  the balance  should  be  based on  possible                                                                    
usages.  She explained  that the  treasury had  not utilized                                                                    
the account in  the prior year because  there were available                                                                    
resources through  the Earnings  Reserve Account  (ERA) that                                                                    
had been appropriated  to the general fund. It  was a policy                                                                    
call  under the  purview  of the  Office  of Management  and                                                                    
Budget (OMB).  She noted that  cash flow was  different than                                                                    
budget,  and there  was  a threshold  of  $400 million  that                                                                    
needed to be  in the general fund to pay  two days' worth of                                                                    
high  bills.   The  department  used  cash   projections  to                                                                    
determine whether cash  would be needed to cover  all of the                                                                    
expenses.  The   account  from  which  the   cash  would  be                                                                    
withdrawn was dependent upon  the budget and appropriations.                                                                    
If expenses  became higher  than revenue,  the CBR  would be                                                                    
utilized. There  was an order  of operations when  a deficit                                                                    
was not expected, and money  would be withdrawn from the ERA                                                                    
before  the CBR.  When there  were deficits,  the money  was                                                                    
more likely to be borrowed from the CBR first.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon  thanked her for  her answer and  thought it                                                                    
illustrated how the topic was complicated.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:21:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  advanced   to  slide  15  and   the  Power  Cost                                                                    
Equalization (PCE)  fund. The purpose  was to provide  for a                                                                    
long-term stable  financing source that  provided affordable                                                                    
levels  of electric  utility  costs  in otherwise  high-cost                                                                    
service areas of the state.  She explained that 5 percent of                                                                    
the  monthly  average  market  value of  the  fund  for  the                                                                    
previous three fiscal years could  be appropriated. If prior                                                                    
years'  earnings  exceeded the  amount,  70  percent of  the                                                                    
difference could  be spent  on related  identified programs.                                                                    
As of  the end of  FY 22, the balance  of the fund  was $967                                                                    
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary moved  to slide 16 and gave  information about the                                                                    
PCE fund, which had a  long investment horizon and tended to                                                                    
involve riskier  asset classes such as  equities. The target                                                                    
asset allocation  was shown  on the pie  chart on  the slide                                                                    
and equated  to about a  70/30 percent equity to  bond ratio                                                                    
on investments.  There were  four other  funds that  had the                                                                    
high risk tolerance and were  invested in a similar fashion.                                                                    
The  balances for  the past  five years  were listed  on the                                                                    
slide.  Rolling  returns  for  the  last  year  were  -14.95                                                                    
percent,  which was  slightly better  than  the -15  percent                                                                    
benchmark. The projected ten-year returns were 5.6 percent.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon noted that the  legislature passed HB 243 in                                                                    
2022 which  changed the investment approach  from a low-risk                                                                    
rate of  return to a strategy  more on-par with that  of the                                                                    
Permanent Fund.  He recalled that  the bill was  signed into                                                                    
law in  June of 2022, and  he assumed it would  not have had                                                                    
much  of an  impact on  the  losses experienced  by the  PCE                                                                    
fund. He  understood that the  losses were  more significant                                                                    
than those of the Permanent Fund.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary responded  that HB 243 changed the  context of the                                                                    
purpose  of the  investments.  By  statute, the  fiduciaries                                                                    
followed the prudent  investor rule. The language  in HB 243                                                                    
gave  support to  targeting a  greater rate  of return.  The                                                                    
investments  in the  PCE fund  were significantly  different                                                                    
than the  Permanent Fund in that  the PCE fund did  not have                                                                    
illiquid assets  such as private equity,  which impacted how                                                                    
returns  would show  in  a given  period  of time.  Although                                                                    
there were  negative returns,  the PCE  fund was  similar to                                                                    
other  funds  that were  managed  with  the available  asset                                                                    
classes.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Cronk asked when it  was decided that the PCE                                                                    
fund could be used for community revenue sharing.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary responded  that there  was  other legislation  in                                                                    
which the target of expenditures  was reduced from 7 percent                                                                    
to 5  percent. She  believed the  legislation was  passed in                                                                    
2017. The  legislation included language  that pointed  to a                                                                    
waterfall  effect  if  the earnings  were  plentiful,  which                                                                    
would  allow  other  funds  to  manage  to  have  additional                                                                    
funding sources.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Cronk thought  it  would be  better to  find                                                                    
other projects with reduced energy costs.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:27:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  advanced  to  slide 17  and  the  Alaska  Higher                                                                    
Education Investment Fund (AHEIF).  She explained that AHEIF                                                                    
was established in 2012 and  capitalized with a $400 million                                                                    
deposit  from   receipts  of  the  Alaska   Housing  Capital                                                                    
Corporation  (AHCC) for  use  in  paying Alaska  Performance                                                                    
Scholarship Awards  and AlaskAdvantage Education  Grants. In                                                                    
FY 17 and  FY 18, the fund was used  to assist deposits into                                                                    
retirement  plans  for   the  Public  Employees'  Retirement                                                                    
System (PERS) and the Teachers'  Retirement System (TRS). As                                                                    
of the end of FY 22,  the $394.6 million balance of the fund                                                                    
was swept to the general  fund, of which $342.6 million came                                                                    
directly from AHEIF  and $52 million came from  the CBRF due                                                                    
to FY 22 investment losses in  AHEIF. Up to 7 percent of the                                                                    
fund could be appropriated  for scholarships. There had been                                                                    
additional  legislation  that  ensured  that  the  fund  was                                                                    
separate and was no longer included as a sweepable fund.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:29:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  asked if  the mechanisms  affected the                                                                    
investment  performance. He  noticed  on slide  17 that  the                                                                    
ten-year rate  of return was  projected at 5.6  percent, but                                                                    
the five-year  average was 4.5  percent. He asked  where the                                                                    
discrepancy was.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary moved to slide 18  to respond to the question. The                                                                    
ten-year return was based on  what was currently known about                                                                    
the market space and expectations  of the future. The actual                                                                    
five-year  performance was  4.5  percent, which  was on  par                                                                    
with  the 4.46  benchmark. The  accuracy of  the projections                                                                    
depended upon a  variety of things, but  most importantly it                                                                    
depended upon market activity.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary continued on slide 18.  Like PCE, AHEIF had a high                                                                    
risk  long-term  investment  horizon and  also  targeted  an                                                                    
equity  to  fixed  income investment  ratio  of  70/30.  The                                                                    
balance as  of December of 2022  was $347 million and  had a                                                                    
negative return of  -16.19. However, it was  positive in the                                                                    
three  and five-year  histories  that it  had. It  benefited                                                                    
from  not having  as  much equity  exposure  when the  asset                                                                    
allocation was first changed.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary advanced to slide 19  to speak on the General Fund                                                                    
and  Other Non-Segregated  Investments (GeFONSI).  The slide                                                                    
showed  a graph  of the  historical invested  assets of  the                                                                    
fund in  billions. There  were two  types of  GeFONSI funds:                                                                    
GeFONSI  I  and  GeFONSI  II. The  GeFONSI  I  included  the                                                                    
general  fund proper,  which was  essentially the  checkbook                                                                    
through which all  money in the account  flowed. Between the                                                                    
two GeFONSI accounts, there were  185 sub-funds. The GeFONSI                                                                    
II was created  to target a slightly higher  risk return and                                                                    
did not  retain its monies;  instead, the GeFONSI I  was the                                                                    
beneficiary of the account.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  referred to the internally  and externally                                                                    
managed investment  funds. She asked for  clarification that                                                                    
Ms. Leary was  speaking to GeFONSI when  she mentioned 70/30                                                                    
internal and  external management  split. She asked  how the                                                                    
internally  and  externally  managed  accounts  compared  in                                                                    
terms of rate of returns.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  responded that GeFONSI  I was primarily  based in                                                                    
fixed income and cash equivalence  while GeFONSI II had some                                                                    
equity  to  it.  The  majority of  both  funds  were  mostly                                                                    
managed  internally  by  the  investment  staff.  She  would                                                                    
follow  up  with the  committee  on  the comparison  between                                                                    
internal and  external rates of  return. She  suggested that                                                                    
the fact  that many  assets in the  public space  beat their                                                                    
benchmarks showed  that the  internal investment  staff were                                                                    
successful in their jobs.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:35:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  pointed  out that  the  graph  on                                                                    
slide 19 showed  $9 billion in GeFONSI in 2012,  which was a                                                                    
peak year  for taxes  and royalties. He  asked if  the money                                                                    
was above and beyond the CBR balance.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  responded  in   the  affirmative.  However,  the                                                                    
balance  did not  include the  SBR as  it was  managed as  a                                                                    
separate account.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  asked about the right  side of the                                                                    
graph  showing $4.7  billion. He  understood that  there was                                                                    
close to $2  billion in the CBR and the  balance was unspent                                                                    
for the  current fiscal year.  He asked if the  practice was                                                                    
in  line   with  general  government  operations   and  what                                                                    
constituted the $4.7 billion.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  responded  that  there were  185  funds  in  the                                                                    
GeFONSI,  including the  general  fund. The  balance of  the                                                                    
general fund proper on June  30 of 2022 was approximately $3                                                                    
billion and  was about $1.8  billion by the end  of December                                                                    
of 2022.  The balance still  included the cash value  of the                                                                    
surpluses  in  the prior  fiscal  year  and the  $3  billion                                                                    
figure included  the transfer  of the  ERA. There  were many                                                                    
expenditures at  the beginning of  a fiscal year,  which was                                                                    
why  there was  an expected  reduction in  the balance.  The                                                                    
balance also  included the surpluses and  revenues in excess                                                                    
of expenses, though  she expected to learn  the exact figure                                                                    
when the ACFR was audited.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  moved to  slide 20 and  the asset  allocations of                                                                    
the GeFONSI accounts. The GeFONSI  I did not have equity and                                                                    
had a  moderate risk objective  while GeFONSI II  had equity                                                                    
and  had a  moderate to  high risk  objective. The  combined                                                                    
total of the funds was $4  billion as of the end of December                                                                    
of 2022.  The six month  mark showed positive  returns while                                                                    
the one year mark showed  slightly negative returns at -0.28                                                                    
percent for  GeFONSI I  and -3 percent  for GeFONSI  II. The                                                                    
projected returns were 2.5 and 3 percent respectively.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary continued to slide  21 and the Public School Trust                                                                    
Fund (PSTF)  that was funded by  one half of one  percent of                                                                    
the state receipts  from the management of  state lands. The                                                                    
PSTF was established in 1978,  replacing the territorial era                                                                    
public school  land grant originally created  by congress in                                                                    
1915 through  a transfer of  the balance from  the permanent                                                                    
school trust. Following passage of  HB 213 in 2018, the fund                                                                    
was now  managed as one  fund, under a percentage  of market                                                                    
value  (POMV) method,  which was  5 percent  of the  average                                                                    
market  value  for the  five  years  preceding the  previous                                                                    
fiscal year. It  was used to provide an offset  for the K-12                                                                    
formula funding  for the schools.  For FY 24, the  amount of                                                                    
$32 million was included in the budget.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  advanced to slide  22 and briefly  explained that                                                                    
the PSTF  fund was  a high-risk account  with a  70/30 asset                                                                    
allocation. The balance  at the end of December  of 2022 was                                                                    
$700  million and  had negative  returns of  -16.19 percent;                                                                    
however, the  account did beat its  benchmark. The projected                                                                    
ten-year returns were 5.6 percent.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  moved to  slide 24 which  discussed the  PERS and                                                                    
TRS plans.  The graph  on the slide  showed the  returns for                                                                    
PERS in  blue and TRS in  yellow. The ARMB was  comprised of                                                                    
nine members  and was the  fiduciary of the  state's pension                                                                    
and  health systems.  The  defined  benefit plans  currently                                                                    
experienced about $1  billion per year of  net outflows from                                                                    
the funds. The 38-year return average  for PRS and TRS was 9                                                                    
percent.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:41:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp understood  that  the defined  benefit                                                                    
plans were  experiencing a net  outflow of about  $1 billion                                                                    
per year. He asked if the funds were basically exhausted.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary responded  that there  was significant  actuarial                                                                    
work  that went  into defining  the contribution  rates that                                                                    
employers  would put  into the  plans. There  was money  and                                                                    
earnings  coming  into  the plans,  but  since  the  defined                                                                    
benefit  plan was  currently distributing  money to  retired                                                                    
individuals, the  outflows were occurring. She  relayed that                                                                    
greater detail would be provided by DRB.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary continued  on slide  24 which  showed the  target                                                                    
asset allocation of  the TRS and PERS  plans. The investment                                                                    
objectives for  the plans were  high risk and  had long-term                                                                    
investment horizons. The  target allocation included private                                                                    
equity and real  assets, which were referred  to as illiquid                                                                    
assets. She pointed out that  the total between the PERS and                                                                    
TRS was  $28.6 billion.  The returns as  of September  30 of                                                                    
2022 were -10 percent for  both plans, beating the benchmark                                                                    
of about  -14 percent. The official  calculated returns were                                                                    
not yet available.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski  noted that  much of  the returns                                                                    
were not  audited. He asked  what the auditing  schedule was                                                                    
and who was responsible for the auditing.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  responded that  the  auditor  was Klynveld  Peat                                                                    
Marwick Goerdeler (KPMG). She  indicated that KPMG performed                                                                    
an audit  of the  invested asset  balances. The  audits were                                                                    
finalized as  of June 30,  which was  the end of  the fiscal                                                                    
year.  The audits  were published  online and  she would  be                                                                    
happy to direct the committee to the website.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:44:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson understood  that there were routine                                                                    
actuarial analyses  of the  balances and  the health  of the                                                                    
plans overall.  He asked if  Ms. Leary was  comfortable that                                                                    
the system was vigilant and  protective of the asset and not                                                                    
cavalier about its health.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  responded that the  changes and additions  to the                                                                    
actuarial lineup occurred "some time  ago" when there was an                                                                    
actuary whose assumptions were not  accurate. Since then, an                                                                    
annual  review and  a deeper  dive  of the  activity of  the                                                                    
actuaries became  procedural. She felt comfortable  with the                                                                    
level of monitoring that was  occurring and thought the risk                                                                    
was  being taken  seriously. There  was  a compliance  group                                                                    
that monitored  the investments to  ensure they  were within                                                                    
the appropriate  parameters. Through  the ARMB  meetings and                                                                    
state investment review  board meetings, outside consultants                                                                    
and   the   investment   advisory  council   monitored   the                                                                    
investments,  compared the  investments from  year to  year,                                                                    
and ensured  that there were  strong internal  controls. She                                                                    
felt confident in the team and consultants.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin asked about  the term "some time ago."                                                                    
She  asked  for  more  detail  on how  long  ago  the  event                                                                    
occurred.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary responded  that she would have to get  back to the                                                                    
committee with the information.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  suggested that the committee  focus on the                                                                    
current presentation.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:49:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary advanced to slide 26  and the third portion of the                                                                    
presentation  revolving  around  cash flows.  She  explained                                                                    
that the  cash balance was  what was held  in the bank  at a                                                                    
given  point in  time.  The  amount in  the  budget and  the                                                                    
amount in  the ACFR would  be quite different.  For example,                                                                    
the CBR  balance was  currently $1 billion  in cash,  but at                                                                    
the end  of June of  2023, it  was expected to  reflect $2.2                                                                    
billion available for appropriations.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary continued to slide  27 which depicted a flow chart                                                                    
of the state's  treasury cash. Money would flow  in from oil                                                                    
and gas,  excise taxes, federal dollars,  and other sources,                                                                    
then  payments  would  flow  out  for  payroll  and  pension                                                                    
payments, debt service, and other payments.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  moved  to  slide 28  and  incoming  revenue  and                                                                    
relayed  that there  was definite  volatility  in the  money                                                                    
coming in.  For example, petroleum revenues  were 47 percent                                                                    
of  the  FY 23  projected  unrestricted  general fund  (UGF)                                                                    
revenues, but there was uncertainty  about what the specific                                                                    
number would actually be. There  would always be uncertainty                                                                    
because   oil  prices   and   investments  could   fluctuate                                                                    
dramatically. Investment earnings were  47 percent of the FY                                                                    
23 projected  unrestricted general fund revenues.  There was                                                                    
certainty about  what would be  in the FY 24  budget because                                                                    
there was a  lagging POMV formula; however,  there was still                                                                    
uncertainty in FY 24 in terms of the amount.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary continued  to slide  29 to  discuss expenditures.                                                                    
There  were sometimes  situations where  money needed  to be                                                                    
laid  out, particularly  for  federal  programs, before  the                                                                    
cash could  flow in. That  sometimes meant that  cash needed                                                                    
to  be called  from  elsewhere. There  were many  mismatches                                                                    
that occurred  at the  beginning of a  fiscal year  in which                                                                    
appropriations  did  not  match incoming  revenue.  Seasonal                                                                    
cash flow  needs also caused  mismatches when  large amounts                                                                    
of money were needed at a particular time.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  advanced to  slide  30  to  speak to  cash  flow                                                                    
deficiencies, which  were situations in which  the state did                                                                    
not  have sufficient  funds  for the  bills  that were  due.                                                                    
Prior to  1985, most  unrestricted revenues flowed  into the                                                                    
general fund and remained there.  Over time, the legislature                                                                    
established  many  sub-funds  within  the  general  fund  to                                                                    
segregate  cash for  budgeting purposes,  resulting in  less                                                                    
cash   available  to   pay   daily   operating  costs.   The                                                                    
legislature typically  included language in the  budget bill                                                                    
allowing  for  a  transfer  from  the  CBR  if  unrestricted                                                                    
revenue  was   insufficient  to   cover  the   general  fund                                                                    
appropriations in a given year.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  moved  to  slide   31  and  explained  the  cash                                                                    
deficiency  memorandum  of  understanding  (MOU).  In  1994,                                                                    
various state departments created a cash efficiency plan.                                                                       
The target was a $400  million minimum cash threshold in the                                                                    
general  fund  proper  which would  outline  procedures  for                                                                    
addressing  cash  flow  timing mismatches.  Some  procedures                                                                    
were developing  monthly cash projections,  monitoring daily                                                                    
general  fund  cash  balances,  and  executing  appropriated                                                                    
transfers from  ERA, CBR,  or other  accounts. The  MOU also                                                                    
spoke to temporary  fund borrowing that had to  be repaid by                                                                    
the end of a fiscal  year. The memorandum also outlined what                                                                    
would  happen if  all appropriations  were exhausted  and it                                                                    
was evident that there would not  be enough money to pay the                                                                    
bills. In  the situation, DOR would  seek legislative action                                                                    
through  the governor  to  access  additional funds  through                                                                    
appropriation from other cash reserve funds or other funds.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:55:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  continued to  slide 32  and continued  to discuss                                                                    
cash  flow deficiencies.  She  indicated  that using  budget                                                                    
reserve funds  had been  the solution  for cash  flow timing                                                                    
mismatches  and revenue  shortfalls. The  FY 21  ACFR showed                                                                    
$12.8 billion owed  to the CBR, but the  amount was expected                                                                    
to  be reduced  in  FY 22  due to  the  sweep of  unassigned                                                                    
balances and sub-funds.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  advanced to  slide 33  to speak  about volatility                                                                    
management  techniques. Some  management strategies  were as                                                                    
follows: accessing  cash reserves and other  funds, managing                                                                    
the timing  of ERA transfers  to the general  fund, managing                                                                    
the timing of expenditures,  and modernizing fiscal tools to                                                                    
include lines of credit.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary moved  to slide  34  and offered  some cash  flow                                                                    
takeaways.  She highlighted  that  forecasts  for cash  flow                                                                    
were  never correct  and even  with  balanced budgets,  cash                                                                    
flow timing  mismatches would occur, and  revenue shortfalls                                                                    
might   occur   if   forecasted  assumptions   were   wrong.                                                                    
Additionally,  higher  revenue volatility  required  greater                                                                    
cash  reserves until  volatility  decreased, but  volatility                                                                    
management  techniques  were  available. She  concluded  her                                                                    
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp  asked if  there was a  ballpark number                                                                    
as  far  as   cost  to  the  state  for   cash  flow  timing                                                                    
mismatches.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary responded that the  mismatches were taken from the                                                                    
ERA and were  now appropriations. There was no  real cost to                                                                    
the state  because the money  was destined to move  into the                                                                    
general  fund regardless.  She assumed  Representative Stapp                                                                    
was referring  to a  situation in which  money from  the ERA                                                                    
was taken at  any point in time and was  not invested at the                                                                    
Permanent Fund to a higher risk  rate of return. She was not                                                                    
sure a cost to the state  had ever been calculated and there                                                                    
were lots of components that comprised it.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:59:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Hannan   made    a   request   for   future                                                                    
information. When  she first became a  legislator, it became                                                                    
a burden  for DOR to  manage the physical cash  for cannabis                                                                    
taxes.  She wondered  if Ms.  Leary had  the opportunity  to                                                                    
look at  how the cash  collection process could  be improved                                                                    
upon. She understood that additional  employees needed to be                                                                    
brought on to physically manage  and secure large amounts of                                                                    
cash. She wondered what the  legislature could do to support                                                                    
change.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Crum responded  to the  question. The  Division of  Tax                                                                    
managed the marijuana revenues and  he was working on a risk                                                                    
management  system  for  DOR.   He  had  attended  a  recent                                                                    
departmental  meeting   on  developing  a  safer   and  more                                                                    
effective   process.   The   department   was   looking   at                                                                    
outsourcing some of the  responsibilities to contractors. It                                                                    
was  important to  make the  process  safe and  easy and  to                                                                    
minimize the risk.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Coulombe asked  which year  the fixed  asset                                                                    
management became internally managed.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  responded  that  there was  a  long  history  of                                                                    
internal  fixed income  management. The  equity aspects  had                                                                    
been  brought internally  as well  and  almost all  internal                                                                    
fixed income was managed within DOR.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Coulombe asked  if  the  $35 million  annual                                                                    
savings in management fees were  incurred over a long period                                                                    
of time.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary responded  that it was within the  last five years                                                                    
that management  had been moved  internally to  identify the                                                                    
savings.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson reviewed the following meeting's agenda.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:03:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:04 p.m.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
January 31 2023 Savings Accounts and Cash Flow presentation to House Finance.pdf HFIN 1/31/2023 1:30:00 PM