Legislature(1997 - 1998)
04/21/1998 08:25 AM House FIN
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HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE
APRIL 21, 1998
8:25 A.M.
TAPE HFC 98 - 119, Side 1
TAPE HFC 98 - 119, Side 2
TAPE HFC 98 - 120, Side 1
CALL TO ORDER
Co-Chair Gene Therriault called the House Finance Committee
meeting to order at 8:25 a.m.
PRESENT
Co-Chair Hanley
Co-Chair Therriault Representative Kelly
Representative Davies Representative Martin
Representative Davis Representative Moses
Representative Foster Representative Mulder
Representative Grussendorf
Representative Kohring was absent from the meeting.
ALSO PRESENT
Tom Williams, Staff, Senator Sharp; Bob Bartholomew, Deputy
Director, Income and Excise Audit Division, Department of
Revenue; Ashley Reed, Lobbyist, Charitable Gaming
Association; Tina Lindren, Alaska Visitors Association,
Anchorage; Jeff Bush, Deputy Commissioner, Department of
Community and Regional Affairs.
The following testified via the teleconference network:
Heather Dodson, Windsong Lodge, Anchorage; Marilyn Kasmar,
Anchorage; Matt Atkinson, Chair, Visitor's Bureau,
Fairbanks; Milton Wiltse, Director, Division of Geological
and Geophysical Survey, Department of Natural Resources,
Fairbanks; Julie Wild-Curry, Program Manager, Healthy
Families Program, Fairbanks; Alan Lemaster, Business Owner,
Gakona; Paul Smith, Business Owner, Tok;
SUMMARY
HB 369 "An Act relating to Medicaid coverage for certain
eligible children and pregnant women; relating to
primary care case management and managed care
services as optional services and to premiums and
cost-sharing contributions under the Medicaid
program; establishing the Healthy Families Alaska
program; and providing for an effective date."
HB 369 was HELD in Committee for further
consideration.
HB 408 "An Act establishing the Alaska Seismic Hazards
Safety Commission."
HB 408 was HELD in Committee for further
consideration.
HB 478 "An Act relating to tourism; relating to grants for
tourism marketing; eliminating the division of
tourism and the Alaska Tourism Marketing Council;
and providing for an effective date."
HB 478 was HELD in Committee for further
consideration.
SB 273 "An Act requiring that gross receipts and ideal
gross be used to account for charitable gaming
activities; requiring municipalities to provide to
the state records concerning sales taxes assessed
for charitable gaming activities; requiring that a
charitable share of charitable gaming receipts be
dedicated to charitable uses; relating to reports
required for charitable gaming activities; relating
to payments to the state from gross receipts of
charitable gaming; relating to contracts between
operators or vendors and permittees; relating to
licensing of multiple-beneficiary permittees and to
the duties of a multiple-beneficiary permittee to
each holder of the permit; requiring a person
employed as a gaming manager to be certified by the
state; limiting the expenditure of amounts of gross
receipts and ideal gross required to be paid to
permittees or retained by permittees; relating to
the amount of gross receipts and prizes allowed
under a permit or a multiple- beneficiary permit;
allowing operators to pool gross receipts, prizes,
and door prizes among permittees; and providing for
an effective date."
HCS CSSB 273 (FIN) was REPORTED out of Committee
with "no recommendation" and with a zero fiscal note
by the Department of Revenue, dated 2/27/98.
SENATE BILL NO. 273
"An Act requiring that gross receipts and ideal gross
be used to account for charitable gaming activities;
requiring municipalities to provide to the state
records concerning sales taxes assessed for charitable
gaming activities; requiring that a charitable share of
charitable gaming receipts be dedicated to charitable
uses; relating to reports required for charitable
gaming activities; relating to payments to the state
from gross receipts of charitable gaming; relating to
contracts between operators or vendors and permittees;
relating to licensing of multiple-beneficiary
permittees and to the duties of a multiple-beneficiary
permittee to each holder of the permit; requiring a
person employed as a gaming manager to be certified by
the state; limiting the expenditure of amounts of gross
receipts and ideal gross required to be paid to
permittees or retained by permittees; relating to the
amount of gross receipts and prizes allowed under a
permit or a multiple- beneficiary permit; allowing
operators to pool gross receipts, prizes, and door
prizes among permittees; and providing for an effective
date."
TOM WILLIAMS, STAFF, SENATOR SHARP spoke in support of SB
273. He noted that the legislation revises the charitable
gaming statutes to base the amount paid to charities on a
gross percentage as opposed to net proceeds. In addition,
it creates a multiple-beneficiary permit.
Representative Mulder questioned why an ideal net was not
used. Mr. Williams observed that the concept of a broad-
based ideal net was considered. The sponsor does not
support the concept because it does not assure that a
certain percentage, of every dollar gained, goes to the
charity. The sponsor did not want to make the amount that
goes to the charity dependent on the prize pay out. He
emphasized that the intent is to remove the State from the
issue of determining what the appropriate prize level is or
what is an allowable expense. The mix of prizes and
expenses should be left to the business decision of the
charity and the operator.
BOB BARTHOLOMEW, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, INCOME AND EXCISE AUDIT
DIVISION, DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE spoke in support of the
legislation. He noted that amendments have been drafted to
address concerns. He maintained that the process and
percentages contained in the legislation are workable and
allow flexibility in prizes and expenses. He spoke against
using an ideal net. He observed that the appropriate level
of ideal net is not agreed on.
Representative Grussendorf noted concerns that businesses
that meet the 30 percent net requirement could not meet the
requirement for 7 percent of the adjusted gross. Mr.
Bartholomew noted that Amendment 1 would address those
concerns (copy on file). The percentage would be reduced
from 7 to 6.5 percent for an additional year. The amendment
would phase in the increase.
Co-Chair Hanley MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 1. Mr. Williams
explained that the legislation would go into effect January
1999. For 1999, the percentage for pull-tabs would be 6.5
percent. It would go to 7 percent in January 2000.
Amendment 1 would also change the charitable share on bingo
from 1.5 to 2 percent.
Co-Chair Hanley expressed support for the phase in proposal,
but expressed concern that operations not be put out of
business by the increase. Mr. Bartholomew stressed that 7
percent was picked based on data available to the
Department. The majority of operators would achieve 7
percent of gross. The Department worked with operators that
were not in compliance with current law to look at ways of
adjusting expenses and prizes to fit into the proposed
level. He felt confident that 7 percent of gross in the
second year would not adversely affect charitable gaming.
He observed that charity run operations pay themselves more
than 6.5 percent. He did not think there would be a
significant change in the number of non-profit permits. It
is not the intention to reduce the number of permits.
Co-Chair Hanley questioned the effect of shifting the net
pay out by a half percent. Mr. Bartholomew replied that a
reduction in a half a percent pay out on prizes would result
in an increase in gross. Prize pay-outs would have to be
managed to average between 77 and 78 percent to achieve the
percentage of gross.
Representative Mulder disclosed that he is a board member of
a charity that would be affected by the legislation.
In response to a question by Representative Mulder, Mr.
Bartholomew stated that, based on the 1997 reports, almost
100 percent of the operators are in compliance.
There being NO OBJECTION, Amendment 1 was adopted.
SB 273 was HELD in Committee for further consideration
during the meeting.
HOUSE BILL NO. 369
"An Act relating to Medicaid coverage for certain
eligible children and pregnant women; relating to
primary care case management and managed care services
as optional services and to premiums and cost-sharing
contributions under the Medicaid program; establishing
the Healthy Families Alaska program; and providing for
an effective date."
JULIE WILD-CURRY, PROGRAM MANAGER, HEALTHY FAMILIES PROGRAM,
FAIRBANKS spoke in support of the Healthy Families Program.
She acknowledged the benefit of a control group, but
stressed that resources would be better spent to provide
services. She noted that the states of Hawaii and Arizona
have conducted studies with control groups. Research showed
that their programs resulted in a more nurturing home and
environment and more positive parent child interaction.
There were no cases of child abuse or neglect in those
studied during a 10-year period. She summarized that the
program can reduce the cost to society.
HB 369 was HELD for further consideration during the
meeting.
HOUSE BILL NO. 478
"An Act relating to tourism; relating to grants for
tourism marketing; eliminating the division of tourism
and the Alaska Tourism Marketing Council; and providing
for an effective date."
MATT ATKINSON, CHAIR, VISITOR'S BUREAU, FAIRBANKS spoke in
support of HB 478. He observed that the goal of the
legislation is to shift tourism marketing to the private
sector. He maintained that a new method of tourism
marketing is needed. State support for tourism marketing
has been reduced from $15 million dollars in FY 90 to $6.7
million dollars in FY 98. The Alaska Visitor's Association
has worked to create a new plan. He maintained that the
plan would combine the marketing activities of the Alaska
Tourism Marketing Council (ATMC), Alaska Visitors
Association (AVA) and the Division of Tourism. It would
decrease confusion, duplication of effort and increase
private sector contributions.
PAUL SMITH, BUSINESS OWNER, TOK spoke in support of the
legislation. He stressed the need to protect small highway
businesses.
ALAN LEMASTER, BUSINESS OWNER, GAKONA spoke in support of
the legislation. He observed that the state of Alaska
spends $4 million dollars to market tourism while the state
of Queensland in New Zealand spends $40 million dollars in
tax money. He stressed that there has been a decline in
tourism. He maintained that small and large business must
carry the ball.
HB 478 was HELD in Committee for further consideration
during the meeting.
HOUSE BILL NO. 408
"An Act establishing the Alaska Seismic Hazards Safety
Commission."
MILTON WILTSE, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF GEOLOGICAL AND
GEOPHYSICAL SURVEY, DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES,
FAIRBANKS spoke in support of HB 408. The legislation
creates a seismic hazards safety commission. The state of
Alaska has had an effective disaster emergency response
group that has worked out responses to seismic events. He
stated that less has been done to avoid the adverse impacts
of earthquakes. Other states have established similar
commissions as a result of Alaska's 1964 earthquake.
Policies implemented in California have reduced the loss of
life and property. Because of disasters in the lower 48
states, federal disaster relief is being reviewed. Draft
federal legislation has contained a requirement for state
mitigation measures to be in place for federal eligibility.
There are approximately 20 seismic hazards commissions in
the United States, including the state of Vermont. He
stressed that the legislation could result in a decrease in
loss of life, property and cost of recovery. It could also
help coordinate post activity events. He noted that seismic
research activity continues.
Representative Foster expressed his support for the
legislation.
HB 408 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.
HOUSE BILL NO. 478
"An Act relating to tourism; relating to grants for
tourism marketing; eliminating the division of tourism
and the Alaska Tourism Marketing Council; and providing
for an effective date."
TINA LINDREN, ALASKA VISITORS ASSOCIATION, ANCHORAGE
stressed that the legislation is a response to indications
by the Legislature that industry should increase its
contribution to marketing. She maintained that reductions
in state support has put Alaska at a competitive
disadvantage. The legislation would consolidate statewide
marketing into one nonprofit organization. The state of
Alaska would grant to the nonprofit organization. There
would be a reduction in state general funds and an increase
in private sector funds. Communities would be able to
leverage their own marketing plans in conjunction with the
overall program. She observed that bylaws would be needed
for the new organization. The state of Alaska would be able
to impose conditions on the funds through the grant
contract.
(Tape Change, HFC 98 - 119, Side 2)
Ms. Lindren observed that the legislation would eliminate
the Division of Tourism. She emphasized that there is a
continued role for the state in tourism. The state would
continue planning and coordination functions. She reviewed
the legislation. She noted that the purpose of the ATMC and
the Division of Tourism are identical. The legislation
deletes reference to both entities and leaves their
responsibilities in the Department of Commerce and Economic
Development. Section 4 creates a new grant program.
Section (b) provides that materials produced and marketing
information and tourism related data generated under a grant
are the sole property of the qualified trade association.
Revenues raised would be retained as part of the funding
mechanism. Materials would be provided Department of
Commerce and Economic Development on request. Materials
would not be part of the public record. This retains
current law. She observed that names from mailing lists
would have no value if they were under public records. A
qualified trade association may not use money granted to
lobby a municipality or an agency of a municipality or to
lobby the state or state agency. Section (e) defines a
qualified trade association:
"qualified trade association" means a private,
nonprofit organization whose primary purposes are the
promotion of tourism within the state encouraging
tourists to visit the state and that has a statewide
membership consisting of representatives of all major
sectors of the visitor industry, including hotels,
airlines cruise lines, wholesale and retail travel
agencies, visitor attractions, and convention and
visitors bureaus.
Ms. Lindren observed that statutes that currently deal with
the Division of Tourism and the ATMC are repealed. Section
6 contains an effective date. She spoke in support of a
one-year transition to setup a new organization.
In response to a question by Representative Davies, Ms.
Lindren provided members with a copy of the proposed budget
for the "New Millenium Plan" by the Alaska Visitors
Association (copy on file). She compared budget numbers
provided by the Department of Commerce and Economic
Development (copy on file) with those contained in the Plan.
She discussed funding levels of Pay to Play programs. She
noted that the AVA budget is currently $805 thousand
dollars.
HEATHER DODSON, PRESIDENT, ALASKA VISITORS ASSOCIATION
ANCHORAGE CHAPTER, WINDSONG LODGE, ANCHORAGE spoke in
support of the legislation. She maintained that it is time
for a change.
Ms. Lindren observed that the Plan would reduce the general
fund contribution over a three year period from $5.3 to $4.0
million dollars. Industry contribution would be increased
from $1.4 to $6 million dollars. The total combined budgets
of the ATMC and Division of Tourism is $6.7 million dollars.
Part of this is not for marketing activities. Approximately
$650 thousand dollars is spent by the AVA to produce the
vacation planner. The AVA contributes approximately $1.4
million dollars to the state of Alaska.
Representative Davies expressed support for the legislation.
He questioned how confident is the private sector that the
money would be collected. He asked how smaller business
would be affected. Ms. Lindren noted that there are no
guarantees. She emphasized that it is in the industry's
interest to promote the entire state of Alaska. Small
communities and businesses need the Plan more than large
ones since they have no means of their own to generate
tourist to Alaska. Smaller businesses would be charged less
under the Plan then they are currently paying. More money
would come from larger companies. Larger communities would
participate more than they currently do. She observed that
state marketing has been reduced to printing and
distributing the vacation planner.
Ms. Lindren discussed funding sources. There is a cruise
formula based on the number of passenger days in Alaska.
There is an amount for businesses based on employee numbers.
Larger businesses would pay more than smaller businesses. A
number of Pay to Play programs, such as the vacation planner
would raise revenues. Businesses can pick and chose among
Pay to Play programs to pick ones that will benefit their
businesses. There is no hammer to make sure that everyone
participates. The budget estimate is conservative.
Representative Davies expressed concerns regarding the Pay
to Play portion of the Plan. Ms. Lindren envisioned that
participation would be charged for in a number of things
such as trade shows. A new marketing plan would have to be
created.
JEFF BUSH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AND
REGIONAL AFFAIRS clarified that the Department does not
oppose the privatization of tourism marketing in Alaska or
the elimination of the ATMC. He expressed concerns with
portions of the Plan. He observed that the nonprofit
organization would be greatly dependent on contributions
from the cruise industry. He expressed concern that there
would be bias in favor of industry sectors that give large
contributions. He observed that the Division of Tourism has
focused on a highway tourism program in the last year.
Significant funds have been received from the Alaska Marine
Highway System. He expressed concern that this kind of
promotion would not exist under the plan. The Alaska Marine
Highway System competes with the cruise industry and the
cruise system would have control over the program. He
proposed multiple contracts for tourism marketing. He
acknowledged that a large portion of the funding might go to
a single contract. Some money should be retained for
programs that might not be a priority of the private
organization that receives the grant. Winter tourism is
very important to the Fairbanks area. He observed that an
aurora borealis program has been successfully marketed to
Japanese tourist to come to Fairbanks. He stressed that
this kind of a grant should be allowed.
Representative Mulder asked if Mr. Bush's concerns could be
addressed under the proposed program. Mr. Bush noted that
the legislation would fund a single grant, which would run a
marketing program. He questioned how much control the State
could place on the operation of the grant. He noted that
the program would not be competitive. The state of Alaska
would have to choose between awarding the AVA the grant or
not having a tourism program. The State's ability to
negotiate terms of the agreement would be limited. He added
that there is no guarantee for a private match. He
maintained that there should be a required match and a
competitive award. He stated that unless formal proposals
are required in a competitive situation there is a loss of
accountability.
Mr. Bush did not see that there would be much more money
going to tourism under the Plan than under the current
system. He observed that state funding would be reduced by
approximately 25 percent over three years. Local
communities would pick up a significant percentage of this
decrease. He maintained that state funding would be
transferred to local municipal funding. Municipalities have
contacted the Divisions with concerns regarding contribution
levels.
Representative Davis noted that tourism marketing in the
State has merged into one large group. Mr. Bush explained
that the Department is not advocating that state funds be
split into small pieces. He clarified that the Department
is concerned about the small amount that the Division of
Tourism uses to do things like run the Tok visitor center or
specialized programs for highway traffic and winter tourism.
There needs to be attention to the little pieces.
Representative Davis noted that section 3 establishes
tourism promotion in the Department of Commerce and Economic
Development. Mr. Bush stressed that the Department would
not be provided any funding for promotion. The Department
would retain one or two positions for general tourism land
use planning activities to assist the Department of Natural
Resources. All marketing and promotional activities would
be given to the nonprofit. Representative Davis stressed
that the legislation states that the Department of Commerce
and Economic Development would "promote" tourism. Mr. Bush
stressed that it is a funding issue. If the Legislature
gives the Department money, the Department would find a way
to promote tourism under the legislation.
HB 478 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.
HOUSE BILL NO. 369
"An Act relating to Medicaid coverage for certain
eligible children and pregnant women; relating to
primary care case management and managed care services
as optional services and to premiums and cost-sharing
contributions under the Medicaid program; establishing
the Healthy Families Alaska program; and providing for
an effective date."
MARILYN KASMAR, ANCHORAGE spoke in support of HB 369. She
maintained that it makes good sense to increase eligibility
levels for Medicaid to 200 percent of the federal poverty
level. There are 23,900 children and 800 pregnant women in
Alaska that do not have insurance coverage. The expansion
would offer coverage to 11,600 of the uninsured children and
all 800 of the pregnant women. Uninsured children are more
likely to have greater medical expense later in life. She
noted that 41 states provide better care for pregnant women
and children than Alaska. She asserted that the expansion
could be paid through the $31 million dollar savings in the
federal F/MAP rate (the federal match in Medicaid payments).
She stressed that congressional leaders have indicated that
reauthorization of the money will be difficult if it is not
used for health care. For every .28 cents spent on health
care for children Alaska will receive .72 cents from the
federal government.
HB 369 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.
SENATE BILL NO. 273
"An Act requiring that gross receipts and ideal gross
be used to account for charitable gaming activities;
requiring municipalities to provide to the state
records concerning sales taxes assessed for charitable
gaming activities; requiring that a charitable share of
charitable gaming receipts be dedicated to charitable
uses; relating to reports required for charitable
gaming activities; relating to payments to the state
from gross receipts of charitable gaming; relating to
contracts between operators or vendors and permittees;
relating to licensing of multiple-beneficiary
permittees and to the duties of a multiple-beneficiary
permittee to each holder of the permit; requiring a
person employed as a gaming manager to be certified by
the state; limiting the expenditure of amounts of gross
receipts and ideal gross required to be paid to
permittees or retained by permittees; relating to the
amount of gross receipts and prizes allowed under a
permit or a multiple- beneficiary permit; allowing
operators to pool gross receipts, prizes, and door
prizes among permittees; and providing for an effective
date."
Co-Chair Therriault MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 2, on behalf of
Senator Sharp (copy on file). Representative Mulder MOVED
to amend Amendment 1, change 17 to 18. He explained that
the amendment would raise the charitable share for pull-tabs
to 18 percent of the gross. He spoke in support of the
amendment to Amendment 2.
BOB BARTHOLOMEW, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, INCOME AND EXCISE AUDIT
DIVISION, DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE stressed that the average
amount needed to hold harmless charities is 16 to 17 percent
of the gross. He asserted that 17 percent would hold the
greatest amount harmless.
In response to a question by Co-Chair Therriault, Mr.
Bartholomew observed that a 77 percent prize pay-out would
provide 16 percent of gross. For non-profits to receive 18
percent of gross, prize pay-outs would have to be
approximately 73 - 74 percent. Representative Davis noted
that there are variations in prize pay-outs. Mr.
Bartholomew observed that prize pay-outs run from
approximately 72 to 85 percent.
(Tape Change, HFC 98 -120, Side 1)
Mr. Bartholomew observed that prize pay-outs are driven by
what has been previously paid. Pay-outs can be higher or
lower, but they must average to the amount needed to meet
the percentage of gross. He acknowledged that charities can
negotiate for a higher share, but stressed that it is
difficult.
Representative Davies expressed concern that the level of
share is at a level that would force some people out of
business. Mr. Bartholomew agreed that the industry has
raised the issue. He stressed that the Department has
attempted to find the level that would hold operations
harmless.
TOM WILLIAMS, STAFF, SENATOR SHARP stated that the sponsor
recommended 17 percent, but does not object to 18 percent.
There being NO OBJECTION, the amendment to the amendment was
adopted. There being NO OBJECTION, Amendment 2 was adopted
as amended.
Representative Martin MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 3 (copy on
file). Mr. Bartholomew explained that Amendment 3 would
strengthen controls over how money received by non-profits
from gaming is spent. The amendment prohibits commingling
of charitable gaming proceeds with other funds. He noted
that it is hard to ascertain if money is spent appropriately
when it is commingled with funds for other purposes. The
proceeds would have to be spent directly out of the gaming
account.
Representative Foster expressed concerns that the amendment
would be difficult for small rural operations. He asked
what the penalty would be for noncompliance.
Mr. Bartholomew explained that the worst penalty would be
for them to lose their license. He observed that the
charity would already have a gaming account. The amendment
does not require a new account. Some non-profits transfer
funding into their operating account. Under the amendment
funds could not be transferred to the operating account.
There would not be a criminal penalty.
Co-Chair Therriault summarized that the Department would
approach the organization to get them to follow the rules.
Mr. Bartholomew stressed that the Department offers a chance
to come into compliance.
Representative Foster questioned if there was a problem in
rural areas. Mr. Bartholomew emphasized that the chance of
having sanctions would be small. It would make it easier to
follow the flow of money.
Representative Martin spoke in support of the amendment. He
emphasized that the amendment would not hurt charities. The
intent is to require large non-profits to keep the funds
separate from operating expenses. Mr. Williams stated that
the sponsor does not object to the amendment. He did not
think that the amendment would be onerous.
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.
IN FAVOR: Mulder, Davis, Martin, Therriault
OPPOSED: Davies, Foster, Kelly
Co-Chair Hanley and Representatives Grussendorf, Kohring and
Moses were absent from the vote.
The MOTION FAILED (4-3).
Representative Martin MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 4 (copy on
file). Amendment 4 would raise levels paid to charities
from 7 to 8.5 percent. Mr. Bartholomew stated that an
increase of 1.5 percent would significantly change the
financial pie. More money would go to non-profits, but the
unintended consequences of that large of an increase are
unknown. The intent of the legislation was to keep the
financial pie fixed.
Representative Davis spoke against the amendment. He
maintained that the amendment would force operators out of
business, which would hurt charities.
Representative Martin spoke in support of the amendment. He
asserted that not enough money is going to charity.
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.
IN FAVOR: Martin, Therriault
OPPOSED: Davies, Davis, Foster, Kelly, Mulder
Co-Chair Hanley and Representatives Grussendorf and Moses
were absent from the vote.
The MOTION FAILED (2-5).
Amendment 5 was withdrawn.
ASHLEY REED, LOBBYIST, CHARITABLE GAMING ASSOCIATION spoke
against the legislation. He observed that the industry
maintains concerns regarding the legislation. He stressed
that there is no guarantee that the legislation will be
revenue neutral. He stressed that small operations have
higher costs than large operations. He maintained that
charities would suffer from the legislation.
Co-Chair Therriault MOVED to report HCS SB 273 (FIN) out of
Committee with the accompanying fiscal note. There being NO
OBJECTION, it was so ordered.
Representative Martin maintained that true charities do not
have to worry.
HCS CSSB 273 (FIN) was REPORTED out of Committee with "no
recommendation" and with a zero fiscal note by the
Department of Revenue dated 2/27/98.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 10:30 a.m.
House Finance Committee 13 4/21/98 a.m.
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