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04/21/2023 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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01:37:06 PM Start
01:38:54 PM Presentation: Village Safe Water and Wastewater
02:55:55 PM Presentation: Alaska Energy Authority Projects
03:30:16 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= HB 40 APPROP: CAPITAL/SUPPLEMENTAL TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Presentations: TELECONFERENCED
- Alaska Energy Authority Energy Projects by
Curtis Thayer, Executive Director
- Village Safe Water and Wastewater by
Commissioner Jason Brune, and Randy Bates,
Director, Division of Water, Department of
Environmental Conservation
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      April 21, 2023                                                                                            
                         1:37 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:37:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon  called the House Finance  Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 1:37 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bryce Edgmon, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative DeLena Johnson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Julie Coulombe                                                                                                   
Representative Mike Cronk                                                                                                       
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Dan Ortiz (via teleconference)                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Alyse Galvin                                                                                                     
Representative Will Stapp                                                                                                       
Representative Frank Tomaszewski                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Randy  Bates, Director,  Division  of  Water, Department  of                                                                    
Environmental   Conservation;   Carrie   Bohan,   Facilities                                                                    
Services Program  Manager, Division of Water,  Department of                                                                    
Environmental   Conservation;   Sandra   Moller,   Director,                                                                    
Division of  Community and  Regional Affairs,  Department of                                                                    
Commerce,     Community     and    Economic     Development;                                                                    
Representative C.J. McCormick.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Curtis Thayer, Executive Director, Alaska Energy Authority.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 40     APPROP: CAPITAL/SUPPLEMENTAL                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          HB 40 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY PROJECTS                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: VILLAGE SAFE WATER and WASTEWATER                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon reviewed the meeting agenda.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 40                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act   making  appropriations,   including  capital                                                                    
     appropriations   and   other   appropriations;   making                                                                    
     supplemental  appropriations; making  appropriations to                                                                    
     capitalize  funds;  and   providing  for  an  effective                                                                    
     date."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: VILLAGE SAFE WATER and WASTEWATER                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:38:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RANDY  BATES, DIRECTOR,  DIVISION  OF  WATER, DEPARTMENT  OF                                                                    
ENVIRONMENTAL   CONSERVATION,   introduced  the   PowerPoint                                                                    
presentation  "Department   of  Environmental  Conservation;                                                                    
House  Finance Committee,"  dated  April 21,  2023 (copy  on                                                                    
file). He  began on  slide 1  and relayed  that there  was a                                                                    
planned  investment of  about $25  million  annually in  the                                                                    
Village Safe Water (VSW) program.  The mission of VSW was to                                                                    
support   rural   communities  by   developing   sustainable                                                                    
sanitation facilities.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon commented that it  was an older tradition in                                                                    
the  legislature to  ask any  legislators  present during  a                                                                    
committee meeting to  join the committee table  if there was                                                                    
an  available  seat.  He   noted  that  Representative  C.J.                                                                    
McCormick was  in the audience and  asked the representative                                                                    
to sit at the committee  table. The subject matter pertained                                                                    
to Representative McCormick's district.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:41:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bates  clarified that $25  million in general  funds was                                                                    
allocated to VSW  on an annual basis,  which leveraged about                                                                    
$100 million in funds for  the program from federal sources.                                                                    
In 2023 and  over the next several years, there  would be an                                                                    
additional influx of Infrastructure  Investment and Jobs Act                                                                    
(IIJA) funds.  The combination  of funding  sources amounted                                                                    
to a  significant addition of  dollars for the  program. The                                                                    
funds  were particularly  important  to allow  the state  to                                                                    
provide water  and sewer services to  rural communities. The                                                                    
goal of  the Department of Environmental  Conservation (DEC)                                                                    
and the  Division Community and Regional  Affairs (DCRA) was                                                                    
to spend every  available VSW and IIJA dollar.  He wanted to                                                                    
ensure  that the  legislature knew  that the  department was                                                                    
fully committed to spending the available monies.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon asked  if it was fair to  say that broadband                                                                    
was  comparable  to  water  and sewer  in  that  many  rural                                                                    
communities lacked access and were underserved or unserved.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bates  responded in the  affirmative. The  Indian Health                                                                    
Service (IHS) was set to  receive $3.5 billion in IIJA funds                                                                    
and $2.1  billion of the  total would be  allocated directly                                                                    
to  Alaska. The  money  was predicted  to  be sufficient  to                                                                    
address   all  known   needs  in   Alaska.  The   wealth  of                                                                    
information and  influx of funding brought  about additional                                                                    
projects  that  would greatly  exceed  the  $2.1 billion  in                                                                    
funding.  The money  would be  transformative in  addressing                                                                    
rural sanitation needs;  however, it would not  solve all of                                                                    
the state's  problems and  the money would  all be  spent in                                                                    
five years. There would still  be facilities and maintenance                                                                    
needs after  the funds  had been spent.  Once the  water and                                                                    
sewer facilities were built and  operating and the money was                                                                    
spent, it  was the  responsibility of the  rural communities                                                                    
to  maintain the  facilities and  community residents  would                                                                    
need  to  pay  the  rates.  He  recognized  that  it  was  a                                                                    
challenge and  there were multiple scoring  rubrics in place                                                                    
to  ensure that  communities  were prepared  to operate  the                                                                    
facilities safely and sustainably.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:45:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  noted that an  issue in the past  had been                                                                    
finding  enough employees  to  maintain  the wastewater  and                                                                    
water  facilities.  She  understood that  the  job  training                                                                    
center in  Palmer, Alaska focused heavily  on training local                                                                    
individuals to work  at the facilities. There  had been some                                                                    
discussion  on   hiring  traveling   facilities  maintenance                                                                    
workers and she  was curious if there had  been success. She                                                                    
asked Mr. Bates to expand  upon the idea of hiring traveling                                                                    
workers.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bates  noted that his  colleagues would go  through some                                                                    
of  the details  of the  remote maintenance  worker programs                                                                    
later  on  in  the   presentation.  He  suggested  that  his                                                                    
colleague continue the presentation.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Edgmon relayed  that members  could ask  questions                                                                    
during the presentation.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:48:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CARRIE BOHAN, FACILITIES  SERVICES PROGRAM MANAGER, DIVISION                                                                    
OF   WATER,   DEPARTMENT  OF   ENVIRONMENTAL   CONSERVATION,                                                                    
continued the  presentation on slide 2.  She emphasized that                                                                    
the  goal of  VSW was  to support  rural communities  in the                                                                    
communities'  efforts  to   develop  sustainable  sanitation                                                                    
facilities. The  department achieved  the goal  by providing                                                                    
funding   and  providing   assistance   to  communities   by                                                                    
implementing  projects once  the projects  had been  funded.                                                                    
There  were collectively  about 200  rural communities  that                                                                    
the  department  considered its  "customers."  Approximately                                                                    
two-thirds  of  the  communities  received  similar  support                                                                    
through the Alaska Native  Tribal Health Consortium (ANTHC).                                                                    
There was a historical divvying  up of the communities and a                                                                    
community  was permitted  to work  with whichever  agency it                                                                    
chose.  The   funding  was  available  to   all  communities                                                                    
regardless  of  the agency  they  chose  to work  with.  She                                                                    
emphasized that  eligibility was  not dependent  upon agency                                                                    
support  and that  all  eligible  communities would  receive                                                                    
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Edgmon added  that many  underserved and  unserved                                                                    
communities   were  in   Representative  Cronk's   district,                                                                    
Representative McCormick's district, and his own district.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan  recalled  that Ms.  Bohan  mentioned                                                                    
that there were  200 communities and some  were supported by                                                                    
DEC  and  other communities  were  supported  by ANTHC.  She                                                                    
asked   how  many   communities  were   being  served   with                                                                    
sustainable sanitation facilities in total.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bohan  responded that there were  collectively about 200                                                                    
rural communities  and VSW provided support  to one-third of                                                                    
the communities and ANTHC provided  support to the remaining                                                                    
two-thirds.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Bohan   advanced  to   slide   3   and  relayed   that                                                                    
historically,  the  need   had  greatly  exceeded  available                                                                    
resources.  Funding from  IHS,  VSW,  and the  Environmental                                                                    
Protection Agency  (EPA) collectively  totaled approximately                                                                    
$100 million per year while  the collective need was greater                                                                    
than $2 billion.  Ongoing needs arose every  year and little                                                                    
progress was  made due to  limited funding. She  shared that                                                                    
the  U.S.  Congress  had examined  the  IHS  database  while                                                                    
crafting  IIJA, and  VSW worked  collectively with  ANTHC to                                                                    
gather  all known  needs from  every community  and populate                                                                    
the  database every  year. The  information in  the database                                                                    
led to  the $3.5 billion  in total IIJA funding.  The agency                                                                    
had been fortunate to have  a longstanding relationship with                                                                    
other  funding  agencies  such   as  ANTHC  and  the  Denali                                                                    
Commission.  She  thought it  was  remarkable  how well  the                                                                    
agencies worked together.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:52:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bohan  advanced to  slide 4 and  explained that  the VSW                                                                    
allocation  method   was  called  the   Capital  Improvement                                                                    
Project (CIP) program. The slide  showed the various funding                                                                    
sources for  VSW and  for ANTHC. The  grants from  the Rural                                                                    
Development agency  within the  United States  Department of                                                                    
Agriculture  (USDA)  would  be  matched  by  the  state  and                                                                    
totaled  to  about  $80 million  for  2023.  The  Sanitation                                                                    
Deficiency  System (SDS)  was a  separate allocation  system                                                                    
managed  by IHS.  Funds  from EPA  also  contributed to  the                                                                    
allocation  system.  She  reiterated that  communities  were                                                                    
selected  for funding  and the  money would  go to  the lead                                                                    
agency that was supporting the community.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bohan moved  to slide  5  which included  a graph  that                                                                    
showed the drastic nature of  the increased funding. The two                                                                    
grants  that  the department  received  each  year were  not                                                                    
impacted by IIJA and it  would be receiving a similar amount                                                                    
of funding  as it had historically  received. The department                                                                    
would  be   assisting  communities  that   received  funding                                                                    
through  IHS,  which  had increased  its  funding  from  $45                                                                    
million to $281 million over the last year.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon  asked Ms. Bohan for  more information about                                                                    
the scoring  approach. He understood  that the  IIJA funding                                                                    
would only last  for five years, then  the communities would                                                                    
be  responsible for  independently maintaining  the systems.                                                                    
He had heard  regular concerns about the  scoring system. He                                                                    
relayed that  he was going to  introduce a bill in  the near                                                                    
future  that would  involve a  simple addition  to VSW  that                                                                    
would prioritize  communities based  on need.  Currently, 95                                                                    
out  of 196  rural communities  would not  meet the  minimum                                                                    
requirements  for funding  through the  VSW CIP  process. He                                                                    
thought the  communities and the  scoring process  should be                                                                    
aligned.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bates  responded that  it was  the department's  goal to                                                                    
ensure  that all  the money  coming  to the  state would  be                                                                    
shared   with   the   communities    in   order   to   build                                                                    
infrastructure.  The  department  recognized  that  HB  374,                                                                    
introduced   in  2022   by  former   Representative  Tiffany                                                                    
Zulkosky and Co-Chair Foster,  proposed to eliminate scoring                                                                    
as  a  consideration of  the  commissioner  of DEC.  It  was                                                                    
important to note that the  EPA had delegated primacy of the                                                                    
Safe Drinking  Water Act  (SDWA) to  DEC. He  explained that                                                                    
SDWA required that there be  a capacity assessment system in                                                                    
place  in order  to evaluate  the technical,  financial, and                                                                    
managerial skills of a community.  The best practice scoring                                                                    
tool  was utilized  to evaluate  the capacity  and assess  a                                                                    
community's  ability to  own and  operate  a facility  after                                                                    
federal funding had elapsed.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bates  commented   that  he  was  well   aware  of  the                                                                    
challenges and  concerns related  to the scoring  system. He                                                                    
agreed that  95 of  196 rural  committees were  not eligible                                                                    
for  funding,  however  many of  the  communities  were  not                                                                    
seeking funding. There was a  concern about the time of year                                                                    
the scoring took place and  the timing had been adjusted. He                                                                    
shared that  Ms. Bohan  had led a  survey throughout  all of                                                                    
the  operating facilities  to evaluate  successes and  areas                                                                    
that  needed improvement.  The results  of  the survey  were                                                                    
being compiled  and should be released  soon. The department                                                                    
also planned  to open up  a public scoping period  to ensure                                                                    
that the public  had the opportunity to  comment. He relayed                                                                    
that  the  department  would organize  a  working  group  to                                                                    
discuss  the concerns  of  the public  and  find a  mutually                                                                    
agreeable  path  forward  to  success  for  communities.  He                                                                    
emphasized  the importance  that communities  understood the                                                                    
steps that were  necessary in order to earn  a passing score                                                                    
and start receiving funding for  water and sewer facilities.                                                                    
The capacity  assessment could not be  eradicated because it                                                                    
was  a   federal  requirement,  but  the   department  would                                                                    
evaluate the scoring tool and make any necessary changes.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Edgmon  asked Ms.  Sandra  Moller  to address  the                                                                    
issues of capacity.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:03:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SANDRA MOLLER, DIRECTOR, DIVISION  OF COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL                                                                    
AFFAIRS,  DEPARTMENT  OF  COMMERCE, COMMUNITY  AND  ECONOMIC                                                                    
DEVELOPMENT, responded  that operation and  maintenance were                                                                    
key concerns as well as  building capacity. She relayed that                                                                    
DCRA  provided   training  such  as   QuickBooks,  financial                                                                    
management,  and other  personnel training  for communities,                                                                    
municipalities, and  villages. The  process was  working but                                                                    
there were ways  that it could be tweaked  and adjusted. She                                                                    
thought the solution  was for the people  in the communities                                                                    
to  operate  and  maintain the  facilities.  A  conversation                                                                    
should   be  had   to  discuss   what  could   be  done   in                                                                    
collaboration with federal  partners, regional entities, and                                                                    
state entities. She was pleased  to hear ANTHC report during                                                                    
a recent  presentation that the  council would  be expanding                                                                    
the  Alaska Rural  Utility Collaborative  (ARUC) program  to                                                                    
include 30 more participants.  The program provided training                                                                    
to   utility   workers   including   bill   collecting   and                                                                    
bookkeeping.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:06:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Coulombe  asked  Ms.  Bohan  if  maintenance                                                                    
costs were included in the total cost of a project.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bohan responded  that operations  and maintenance  were                                                                    
not  fundable  through IIJA.  She  understood  that IHS  had                                                                    
federal language  that permitted  it to fund  operations and                                                                    
maintenance, but  there had never been  an appropriation for                                                                    
it. Similarly, VSW  statute had provisions for  the state to                                                                    
provide operations  and maintenance funding, but  it had not                                                                    
received  the  appropriations.  A project  would  be  funded                                                                    
until it  was fully constructed, then  the responsibility of                                                                    
operations  and maintenance  would  fall  to the  community.                                                                    
Most communities struggled to  collect sufficient revenue to                                                                    
cover  basic operations  and maintenance  costs and  none of                                                                    
the rural  communities she was  aware of were in  a position                                                                    
to  collect   enough  revenue   and  the   communities  were                                                                    
dependent upon ongoing grants.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:07:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan asked if  the state had ever supported                                                                    
VSW operation  and maintenance funds.  She was  stunned that                                                                    
nothing  had  been  done to  help  communities  operate  and                                                                    
maintain programs.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon  responded that he  could not recall  such a                                                                    
situation in  which the  state had  allocated funds  for VSW                                                                    
operation  and  maintenance  costs. He  thought  building  a                                                                    
water  and  sewer  system in  rural  communities  came  with                                                                    
similar  issues as  implementing a  broadband system.  There                                                                    
were many moving  parts and it was a  challenge to implement                                                                    
systems in  remote areas  in the state  and ensure  that the                                                                    
communities  could independently  maintain  the systems.  He                                                                    
could  not  recall  a  situation  in  which  operations  and                                                                    
maintenance funds  were made available for  VSW purposes but                                                                    
asked Ms. Bohan if she could confirm the information.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bohan  responded that  she  was  also  not aware  of  a                                                                    
situation in  which maintenance and operations  for VSW were                                                                    
funded by the  state. She noted that there  were some slides                                                                    
in  the  presentation  on   the  remote  maintenance  worker                                                                    
program that would provide  more information. The department                                                                    
partnered  with five  regional  health  consortiums in  five                                                                    
different  regions.  There  were  also DEC  staff  based  in                                                                    
Anchorage who were each assigned  to 10 to 15 communities in                                                                    
order to provide support. In  some cases, the same employees                                                                    
had been supporting the same  communities for over 25 years.                                                                    
The Rural Utility Business Advisor  (RUBA) program was based                                                                    
off the program for remote  maintenance workers in that each                                                                    
community was assigned a government  worker in order to have                                                                    
a stable and reliable point  of contact. She reiterated that                                                                    
she was not  aware of any direct  operations and maintenance                                                                    
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  commented that she had  heard similar                                                                    
stories in which rural schools had  the only safe water in a                                                                    
community and  there were maintenance issues  with the water                                                                    
system.  She thought  that the  state had  an obligation  to                                                                    
build adequate and safe drinking  water in order for schools                                                                    
to  operate properly.  The critical  nature  of having  safe                                                                    
water in  every community was especially  apparent after the                                                                    
COVID-19  pandemic.   She  applauded  the  efforts   of  the                                                                    
department  to  solve the  problem  and  noted that  it  was                                                                    
challenging.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:13:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson  commented that  the chart  on slide  5 was                                                                    
"breathtaking." She thought that  an entity funding a system                                                                    
did not necessarily mean it  was responsible for the system.                                                                    
She was hopeful  that the purpose of the  scoring system was                                                                    
to ensure  that there  was a  mechanism for  management. All                                                                    
systems  should  be well  thought  out  and sustainable  for                                                                    
years to come  and the state had  responsibilities to upkeep                                                                    
the  system  in addition  to  the  communities. She  thought                                                                    
there  needed  to be  follow  through  otherwise the  system                                                                    
would not work.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bates commented that about  three years ago, there was a                                                                    
trend  of declining  scores.  The  department began  working                                                                    
with  its   sister  agency,  the  Department   of  Commerce,                                                                    
Community and  Economic Development  (DCCED), to find  a way                                                                    
to stop  the trend. The department  was particularly focused                                                                    
on finding a  way to assist the communities  once it learned                                                                    
of the IIJA funds. He  emphasized that DEC was fully engaged                                                                    
in  the  effort  and  it  accepted  the  criticisms  on  the                                                                    
process.  It  was  a  "watershed" moment  for  there  to  be                                                                    
federal and  state money available  to change  the landscape                                                                    
in a rural  community. It was incumbent  upon the department                                                                    
to  help  the communities  stand  up  the systems,  but  the                                                                    
ownership of  the system  would go  to the  communities once                                                                    
the  systems  were  established.   The  community  would  be                                                                    
responsible for  operating and  maintaining the  systems and                                                                    
collecting  revenue  for  the safe  delivery  of  water  and                                                                    
sanitation.  The   scores  were   designed  to   evaluate  a                                                                    
community's ability  to operate  the system. The  economy of                                                                    
rural  communities  was  challenging because  many  citizens                                                                    
could  not afford  to  pay  the rate  for  the system.  Some                                                                    
communities  had the  ability to  subsidize the  rate payers                                                                    
through  regional partners  and some  did not.  There was  a                                                                    
heavy push to  spend the money, but there also  needed to be                                                                    
a way  for the communities  to accept ownership  and operate                                                                    
the facilities.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:19:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  shared that  when he lived  in the                                                                    
mid-Kuskokwim region,  there were  400 people and  around 40                                                                    
jobs. He  asked how people  could be expected to  afford the                                                                    
rate when  there was not enough  opportunity for employment.                                                                    
He  wondered  if  there  should  be  a  capitalized  program                                                                    
similar to Power Cost Equalization (PCE).                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bates responded  that  DEC had  raised  the issue  with                                                                    
Alaska Senator  Lisa Murkowski and Senator  Dan Sullivan. He                                                                    
agreed that  the success of  operations and  maintenance was                                                                    
critical  for  the  success and  delivery  of  services.  He                                                                    
offered a  hypothetical wherein  there were  200 communities                                                                    
with $50,000 as a base salary  for a certified operator in a                                                                    
community, there  would be  $10 million  to provide  for the                                                                    
communities  as  a  subsidy   for  maintaining  a  certified                                                                    
system.  There  were  other   programs  that  could  provide                                                                    
subsidy  programs and  not  all  communities had  subsidies.                                                                    
There was also the possibility  that a few rate payers could                                                                    
drop  out and  the  maintenance and  operations costs  would                                                                    
start  to  "snowball"  and  jeopardize  the  health  of  the                                                                    
system.  The  department  had discussed  utilizing  PCE  and                                                                    
other similar concepts.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:22:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bohan continued  to a  chart on  slide 5  depicting VSW                                                                    
funding  sources.   The  blue   line  across  the   top  row                                                                    
represented the  IHS funding.  She shared  that IHS  was not                                                                    
permitting   to  consider   capacity  when   allocating  its                                                                    
funding.  The Best  Practice  Score (BPS)  was  not used  in                                                                    
allocating the IHS funding. A  common misconception was that                                                                    
BPS   was  impacting   IIJA  funds,   which   it  was   not.                                                                    
Historically, IHS had  only been able to  fund projects with                                                                    
a per  capita cost that  fit within a certain  boundary. The                                                                    
IIJA   relieved  a   portion  of   the  $3.5   billion  from                                                                    
restrictions, which  would allow  IHS to provide  funding to                                                                    
unserved and underserved communities.   There would still be                                                                    
projects  that would  not meet  the IHS  funding eligibility                                                                    
and would need a co-funder.  The EPA funding increased in FY                                                                    
23 through IIJA as well.  The increased funds in other areas                                                                    
were  substantial enough  to cover  the portion  of projects                                                                    
that  were   ineligible  for  IHS   funding.  There   was  a                                                                    
significant  concern that  inability to  access VSW  funding                                                                    
would prevent  IHS from  funding projects,  but she  did not                                                                    
think that there was reason for concern.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bohan  advanced  to  a  map  on  slide  6  showing  the                                                                    
locations  of the  underserved and  unserved communities  in                                                                    
the state.  She explained that  flush tank and  haul systems                                                                    
involved hauling  water to the  home and hauling  sewage out                                                                    
of the  home. The system did  not provide the same  level of                                                                    
health protection as a fully  piped system. She relayed that                                                                    
the department considered a  community with individual wells                                                                    
and septic  systems to  be a  served community.  Although it                                                                    
was an option for some,  individual wells and septic systems                                                                    
were not compatible  with all of the  unique environments in                                                                    
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair    Edgmon    commented   that    communities    had                                                                    
significantly  different needs:  some  communities were  not                                                                    
incorporated, some  had active tribal governments,  and some                                                                    
had little structural leadership.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:26:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Cronk  asked   Ms.  Bohan   to  provide   a                                                                    
definition of underserved.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bohan  explained that underserved  meant that  less than                                                                    
55 percent of the homes had piped water and sewer.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Cronk understood  that a  served home  meant                                                                    
that it had a robust water  system and pipe hookups. He grew                                                                    
up in  Northway, Alaska and  ANTHC came to the  community in                                                                    
the late  1990s to implement infrastructure.  He stated that                                                                    
amount of money wasted  was unbelievable, such as installing                                                                    
$75,000 outhouses  which quickly  fell down.  He highlighted                                                                    
that ANTHC  determined the areas  in which a well  and sewer                                                                    
systems were feasible, and one  of the locations was his old                                                                    
house.  He  explained that  because  there  were not  enough                                                                    
workers to  build the system  he had installed  the plumbing                                                                    
himself. He  noted  it took  a number of times  to plumb the                                                                    
system correctly because he had no plumbing experience.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Cronk  thought  it  was  important  to  note                                                                    
whether  a community  had the  ability  to run  a water  and                                                                    
sewer  system. The  systems in  Northway stayed  functioning                                                                    
because there was  a single individual who had  taken on the                                                                    
responsibility of  running the system.  He thought it  was a                                                                    
huge investment  to provide water  and sewer systems  to all                                                                    
of  the  unserved  and   underserved  communities.  In  some                                                                    
communities  where sewer  was available,  hauling water  was                                                                    
optimal because  it kept costs  down. He asked if  Ms. Bohan                                                                    
had considered his comments.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bohan responded  that she  had previously  misspoke and                                                                    
corrected herself  that an unserved community  was less than                                                                    
55 percent and  an underserved community was  between 55 and                                                                    
80 percent  piped or using a  flush tank and haul  system. A                                                                    
planning  project  was  required  to be  funded  before  any                                                                    
project  would be  funded. The  planning project  examined a                                                                    
community's  desires,  engineering alternatives,  and  would                                                                    
propose  an  alternative   including  cost  estimates.  Some                                                                    
communities had the opportunity  to consider pipes but chose                                                                    
to  build a  haul system  or decentralized  well and  septic                                                                    
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:31:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Cronk  commented  that he  had  13  unserved                                                                    
communities in his district. The  costs were significant and                                                                    
surprising  when  the  systems  were  first  implemented  in                                                                    
Northway. He looked forward to  seeing what was best for the                                                                    
communities and appreciated the efforts.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bohan responded that presently,  IHS was able to provide                                                                    
funds to ANTHC for planning  efforts to determine which type                                                                    
of system  would be best  for a community.  Some communities                                                                    
had  already  stated that  they  could  not support  a  pipe                                                                    
system    and   were    therefore   uninterested    in   the                                                                    
implementation  of a  system. Communities'  opinions were  a                                                                    
vital  component of  the process  and were  consulted during                                                                    
every step of the planning effort.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Edgmon suggested  that the  presenters go  through                                                                    
the remaining slides quickly for the sake of timeliness.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bohan advanced to slide  7. She noted the estimated cost                                                                    
to provide water and sewer  to individual homes in a village                                                                    
for the first time was  estimated to be between $750,000 and                                                                    
$1  million  per  home.  The   community  of  Wales,  Alaska                                                                    
recently booked its  planning documents and with  a total of                                                                    
42  households   and  142  people,  the   initial  cost  was                                                                    
projected to be  $47 million and would be well  into the $50                                                                    
million  range   once  construction  began.   The  estimated                                                                    
monthly  rate  was  $300  and the  community  of  Wales  was                                                                    
unwilling  or unable  to pay  the rate;  however, IHS  would                                                                    
still move forward and fund the project.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bohan  advanced to  slide 8 and  relayed that  there had                                                                    
been an assessment  tool in place since at  least the 1990s.                                                                    
Prior to  the current  BPS system,  the RUBA  assessment was                                                                    
used.  She  explained  that  RUBA  involved  27  indicators.                                                                    
Project funding was  allocated to a community  for a project                                                                    
and  then the  community  was required  to collaborate  with                                                                    
RUBA and submit to  the 27-indicator assessment, which could                                                                    
take several years. All of  the indicators were limited to a                                                                    
"yes or  no" answer and the  community had to receive  a yes                                                                    
on all  27 indicators in  order to pass the  assessment. The                                                                    
department thought  that reducing  the number  of indicators                                                                    
and offering  different levels of  success in  each category                                                                    
would better  indicate the capabilities of  a community. The                                                                    
change would also better provide  information to a community                                                                    
on  the ways  in which  it could  incrementally improve  its                                                                    
score. She relayed  that the department did  not expect most                                                                    
rural communities to receive a  perfect score; therefore, 60                                                                    
points  was  a passing  score  even  though there  were  100                                                                    
points  possible. All  of the  criteria on  the rubric  were                                                                    
actions the communities were already required to take.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:37:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bohan  moved to slide 9  and explained that there  was a                                                                    
tiered structure  for the minimum  score. If an  unserved or                                                                    
underserved community needed to  improve its washeteria, the                                                                    
threshold for eligibility would be  lower because it was the                                                                    
only operating  facility in the  community and many  were in                                                                    
need  of  significant  repair.  The  planning  efforts  were                                                                    
required to  follow an established United  States Department                                                                    
of Agriculture  (USDA) rural development  model. One  of the                                                                    
components of the  model was sustainability and  many of the                                                                    
communities' planning  documents were  falling short  in the                                                                    
sustainability   discussion.   The  department   wanted   to                                                                    
decouple  the engineering  discussion and  the socioeconomic                                                                    
discussion  within  the  planning   documents  in  order  to                                                                    
approve engineering concepts and  help a community develop a                                                                    
sustainability  plan.  There  were a  number  of  subsidized                                                                    
programs that helped support  the operations and maintenance                                                                    
of  communities.  A   community  sustainability  plan  could                                                                    
simply  require that  it join  a collaborative  organization                                                                    
that   had  the   resources  to   help   the  community   be                                                                    
sustainable.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bohan relayed  that  the  department also  acknowledged                                                                    
that  sustainability would  look  drastically different  for                                                                    
each  community.  She  relayed  that VSW  had  developed  an                                                                    
affordability indicator  in collaboration with  an economist                                                                    
in order to develop greater  insight in decision making. The                                                                    
tool  looked  at  the  two   lowest  income  brackets  in  a                                                                    
community and determined what the  residents would be giving                                                                    
up in  order to afford water  and sewer. The tool  looked at                                                                    
other   economic  indicators   such  as   food  stamps   and                                                                    
employment  and it  was intended  to  determine the  maximum                                                                    
amount of money a community could afford.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Bohan  continued quickly through  slides 10 and  11. The                                                                    
department used BPS to consider  eligibility and it was also                                                                    
a  small part  of  the overall  project prioritization.  The                                                                    
biggest  focus  was on  the  overall  health impact  to  the                                                                    
community. She  advanced to slide  12 detailing  the capital                                                                    
request  of  $247  million.  She   moved  to  slide  13  and                                                                    
explained  that about  $2.5 million  was allocated  from EPA                                                                    
funding  to  the  remote  maintenance  worker  program.  She                                                                    
greatly  appreciated the  work  done  by remote  maintenance                                                                    
workers.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:42:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bates  noted that  the  individuals  were working  with                                                                    
water and sewer  lines at 40 below  temperatures. There were                                                                    
no  situations   in  which  systems  would   break  down  in                                                                    
favorable   weather.   The   workers   were   dedicated   to                                                                    
maintaining the  systems and ensuring that  the systems were                                                                    
operational in all types of weather and environments.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bohan highlighted  a  photo  on slide  13  of a  worker                                                                    
smiling on  the job  in sub-zero temperatures.  She advanced                                                                    
to slide  14 and  shared that the  department had  a project                                                                    
going on for nearly ten years  that looked at better ways to                                                                    
provide   increased   health   benefits  to   unserved   and                                                                    
underserved communities  without going the piped  route. The                                                                    
department had  been working with  the University  of Alaska                                                                    
Anchorage (UAA) on a pilot  system that incorporated in-home                                                                    
water reuse to  reduce the amount of water  residents had to                                                                    
haul to their homes. The model  was currently in a garage in                                                                    
Anchorage, Alaska and being pilot tested.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bohan  advanced  to  slide  15  which  offered  current                                                                    
challenges faced by the  department. A significant challenge                                                                    
was that  IHS funding  was awarded without  consideration of                                                                    
local capacity.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:45:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson  asked  how  long  the  funding  would  be                                                                    
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bohan responded  that  the  IHS money  did  not have  a                                                                    
limit. The  department expected the  effort to  complete all                                                                    
of  the infrastructure  to span  10 to  12 years.  There had                                                                    
been challenges  such as material  shortages, delays  due to                                                                    
the COVID-19  pandemic, and increased costs.  The constantly                                                                    
increasing timelines were frustrating  to the department and                                                                    
to communities. There was a  lack of federal guidance and it                                                                    
was difficult to move forward without knowing the rules.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bohan advanced  to  slide 16,  which  related to  other                                                                    
infrastructure   funding  included   in   IIJA.  The   State                                                                    
Revolving Loan Funds (SRLF) [AS  46.03.032 and AS 46.03.036]                                                                    
involved two  loan funds: annual capitalization  grants from                                                                    
the EPA and low interest  loans for eligible clean water and                                                                    
drinking  water  projects.  The   state  loaned  money  out,                                                                    
collected repayments with a low  interest, and was permitted                                                                    
to  keep the  return dollars  on the  interest and  make new                                                                    
loans.   The  department   collected  letters   of  interest                                                                    
throughout the  year and was constantly  able to acknowledge                                                                    
new  project  needs   and  accommodate  communities  seeking                                                                    
funding.  In  2023,  the  federal  earmarks  for  water  and                                                                    
sanitation projects  were funded through the  base amount of                                                                    
money  that  would  normally  be   allocated  to  SRLF.  The                                                                    
department received  about $4.9  million for  drinking water                                                                    
and $4.5 million for clean water  for FY 24, which was about                                                                    
half of what it had  received in years prior. The department                                                                    
was currently  developing its  grant applications  and after                                                                    
receiving funds,  it would be  making new loans  around July                                                                    
of 2023.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bohan continued  to slide  17. The  table on  the slide                                                                    
showed year  one IIJA  funding for  drinking water  SRLF and                                                                    
clean water  SRLF and  the department  was currently  in the                                                                    
process of applying  for the year one  funds. The department                                                                    
was also focusing on emerging  contaminants such as Per- and                                                                    
Polyfluorinated  Substances  (PFAS)  and  led  service  line                                                                    
funding. It was  important to note that much  of the funding                                                                    
came with  the requirement  to provide loan  forgiveness and                                                                    
the  majority   of  the  funds   would  be   forgivable  for                                                                    
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:49:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon  asked if  committee members  had additional                                                                    
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Cronk  noted that  one of the  selling points                                                                    
of the  new system was  the ability to recruit  young people                                                                    
to apply  for new  jobs. He  asked how much  of the  cost of                                                                    
running  a  new  system  was  due  to  high  electric  costs                                                                    
required  for operations.  He  wondered if  a  PCE plan  for                                                                    
water systems might reduce costs.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Bohan  responded  that  she  did  not  have  the  exact                                                                    
numbers, but energy  costs in northern and  western areas of                                                                    
the  state  made   up  about  40  percent   of  the  overall                                                                    
operational cost.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon  commented that he  had a family  member who                                                                    
was a  remote maintenance  worker and could  "fix anything."                                                                    
He emphasized the importance of  having qualified people out                                                                    
in communities  available to help  operate and  maintain the                                                                    
systems.  Many  qualified  workers were  getting  older  and                                                                    
younger people were leaving the  communities, which made for                                                                    
a challenging situation when  recruiting workers. He relayed                                                                    
that the  bill would be  revised in  the near future  and he                                                                    
appreciated the testifiers' time.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson asked  if  the  40 percent  figure                                                                    
spoke to a PCE reform issue.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Edgmon  commented  that  Representative  Josephson                                                                    
made a thought-provoking remark.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:53:11 PM                                                                                                                    
AT-EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:55:13 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon relayed that the  next presentation would be                                                                    
from the Alaska Energy Authority (AEA).                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY PROJECTS                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:55:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CURTIS THAYER, EXECUTIVE  DIRECTOR, ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY,                                                                    
ANCHORAGE  (via teleconference),  introduced the  PowerPoint                                                                    
presentation  "AEA Fiscal  Year 2024  Capital Budget"  dated                                                                    
April 21,  2023 (copy on file).  He advanced to slide  2 and                                                                    
offered information  on AEA's mission  and responsibilities.                                                                    
The  organization was  broken into  six different  segments:                                                                    
Railbelt  Energy, PCE,  Rural Energy,  Renewable Energy  and                                                                    
Energy Efficiency,  Grants and  Loans, and  Energy Planning.                                                                    
The  highlighted that  the PCE  program was  for residential                                                                    
customers and community facilities such as water and sewer.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer moved  to an  overview of  AEA on  slide 3.  The                                                                    
regular duties  of AEA were  on the  left side of  the slide                                                                    
and the map areas in teal  and black were mostly circuit and                                                                    
utility training areas.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  continued to  slide 4 and  slide 5  and detailed                                                                    
AEA's FY 24 capital request.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon interjected and  asked Mr. Thayer to confirm                                                                    
which slide he was discussing.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer responded  that  he  was on  slide  5. The  IIJA                                                                    
Statewide Grid  Resilience and Reliability  Formula included                                                                    
an availability of  $12.1 million in federal  funds and $1.8                                                                    
million  in state  unrestricted  general funds  (UGF) for  a                                                                    
total of $13.9  million per year for a total  of five years.                                                                    
The total  would be around  $70 million  at the end  of five                                                                    
years.  The   next  item  was  the   New  Energy  Efficiency                                                                    
Revolving  Loan Fund  Capitalization,  which  was a  formula                                                                    
fund totaling  $3.7 million in  federal funds per  year. The                                                                    
next IIJA  item was the  State Energy Program  which totaled                                                                    
$2.9 million  per year. The  Electric Vehicle  (EV) Charging                                                                    
Equipment  grant   focused  on   rural  Alaska  and   was  a                                                                    
competitive grant for which  the federal government provided                                                                    
$1.6 million.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  continued  that  the  Energy  Auditor  Training                                                                    
program  received  $63,000  in federal  funds.  The  largest                                                                    
program  was  the Home  Energy  and  High Efficiency  Rebate                                                                    
allocations for a total of  $74 million in federal funds and                                                                    
AEA  would  collaborate  on  the  program  with  the  Alaska                                                                    
Housing  Authority  (AHA)  as it  was  similar  to  programs                                                                    
already operated  by AHA. The  next item was  the Department                                                                    
of  Defense (DOD)  Black Rapids  Training Site  which housed                                                                    
the  Defense  Community  Infrastructure Pilot  Program.  The                                                                    
program  would receive  $12.7 million  in  federal funds  in                                                                    
order to retire the site's  diesel generators and connect to                                                                    
the  existing transmission  system. The  Rural Power  System                                                                    
Upgrades  would receive  $25 million  in  federal funds  and                                                                    
$7.5  million in  state UGF  for a  total of  $32.5 million.                                                                    
There was a list of the  top 25 communities by need that was                                                                    
updated each  year and AEA  consulted the list  to determine                                                                    
the order by which to update rural power systems.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:01:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer continued  on the Renewable Energy  Fund Round 15                                                                    
program,  which   had  been   successfully  funded   by  the                                                                    
legislature  for the  past two  years.  The legislature  had                                                                    
funded over  300 projects which had  saved approximately 300                                                                    
gallons of  diesel fuel per  year. There was a  $7.5 million                                                                    
UGF  placeholder  on the  chart,  but  the Renewable  Energy                                                                    
Advisory  Committee reviewed  the information  and suggested                                                                    
that the  legislature fund 27  current projects for  a total                                                                    
of $25.5 million. The Bulk  Fuel Upgrades would receive $5.5                                                                    
million  in UGF  and $7.5  million  in federal  funds for  a                                                                    
total of $13 million.  The Hydroelectric Development request                                                                    
for  Dixon and  Godwin Creek  Studies  was a  new item  that                                                                    
would receive $5  million in state UGF. He  relayed that AEA                                                                    
currently  owned   Bradley  Lake,  which  was   the  largest                                                                    
hydroelectric  project in  the state  and electrified  about                                                                    
54,000  homes on  the Railbelt.  He  shared that  Fairbanks,                                                                    
Alaska received  17 percent of  its power from  Bradley Lake                                                                    
and  AEA was  proposing  diverting water  from Martin  River                                                                    
into Bradley Lake in order  to provide additional power. The                                                                    
project could  increase electrical coverage by  about 24,000                                                                    
for an increase of almost 50 percent.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  explained  that the  next  item  was  Renewable                                                                    
Energy and Efficiency Programs and  would receive $5 million                                                                    
in state  UGF. The  programs were  fully funded  about eight                                                                    
years prior but AEA needed  to look for new funding options.                                                                    
The programs  would provide  technical assistance  for rural                                                                    
and urban  communities and  also provide  a state  match for                                                                    
incoming federal  dollars. The following item  was the Delta                                                                    
Phase 3 Power  project, which would expand  power into Delta                                                                    
Junction, Alaska.  The project  would receive $3  million in                                                                    
state  UGF. The  final item  was $200,000  in state  UGF for                                                                    
electrical  emergencies. Many  communities  in rural  Alaska                                                                    
had   dependable  utilities,   but  there   were  about   40                                                                    
communities  for which  AEA  acted as  the  "911 call."  The                                                                    
total federal ask  for all items was about  $140 million and                                                                    
state UGF was  about $35 million for a total  of nearly $176                                                                    
million. The total did not  include an $8 million match that                                                                    
went  through the  Department of  Transportation and  Public                                                                    
Facilities (DOT).                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:06:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer advanced  to slide  6 which  was a  highlight of                                                                    
request  for relocating  and reconductoring  powerlines. The                                                                    
capital  request was  for  a $1.8  million  state match  and                                                                    
would   be  available   to  any   community   that  had   an                                                                    
appropriately  sized  power  line.  The  funding  could  not                                                                    
address all needs across the state,  but it was a good place                                                                    
to start.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  continued to slide  7, which was a  highlight of                                                                    
the  new  Energy  Efficiency  Revolving  Loan  Fund  (EERLF)                                                                    
program which would  be funded through IIJA  and required no                                                                    
state  match. He  moved to  slide 8  and explained  that the                                                                    
State  Energy Program  (SEP) would  also  be funded  through                                                                    
IIJA and  required no  state match.  The program  focused on                                                                    
developing a  statewide energy plan  and an  energy security                                                                    
plan.  He advanced  to slide  9, which  was a  recap of  the                                                                    
competitive grant  for EV charging  equipment that  would be                                                                    
primarily focused on rural communities.  There would be a 20                                                                    
percent match, but the requirement  was for the participants                                                                    
and was  not a state match.  The requirement was set  by the                                                                    
federal government.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  moved to slide  10 detailing the  Energy Auditor                                                                    
Training  Grant program.  The request  was  $63,600 for  two                                                                    
years of  the planned  five-year annual  funding allocation.                                                                    
There was no state match  requirement. He relayed that slide                                                                    
11  detailed  the Home  Energy  and  High Efficiency  Rebate                                                                    
Allocations in  which AEA  collaborated with  Alaska Housing                                                                    
Finance  Corporation  (AHFC)   to  distribute  Alaska's  $74                                                                    
million federal  allocation. The  receipt authority  came to                                                                    
AEA  through federal  legislation, but  AEA worked  in equal                                                                    
partnership with  AHFC. There was  no state  match required.                                                                    
He advanced through slide 12 which  was a brief recap of the                                                                    
Black Rapids  Training Site  (BRTS) and  no state  match was                                                                    
required.  The military  was anxious  to  begin the  project                                                                    
which  was  why the  funding  was  in the  supplemental.  He                                                                    
indicated that slide 13 included  a recap of the rural power                                                                    
system  upgrades and  included a  photo of  a current  rural                                                                    
power system and  a photo of the updated  version. He shared                                                                    
that AEA had  3D modeling done of all power  houses in rural                                                                    
Alaska in  order to zoom in  and assess the power  houses in                                                                    
real  time and  eliminate  the  need to  fly  to a  location                                                                    
whenever there was a problem.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:10:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer continued  on slide  14 and  detailed bulk  fuel                                                                    
upgrades  (BFU).  The  program  repaired  or  upgraded  fuel                                                                    
storage  in  communities with  less  than  2,000 people.  He                                                                    
emphasized that bulk fuel tanks  were located near the mouth                                                                    
of rivers or  waterways and it was important  to ensure that                                                                    
the tanks could easily be  replaced and were code compliant.                                                                    
He relayed  that AEA was  working with the U.S.  Coast Guard                                                                    
to  ensure that  the tanks  were code  compliant and  easily                                                                    
accessible.  Additionally, AEA  was conducting  an inventory                                                                    
and  assessment  for  all  bulk  fuel  facilities  in  rural                                                                    
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson  asked about  the  $800  million cost  for                                                                    
deferred maintenance on slide 14.  She asked if PCE paid for                                                                    
maintenance costs.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer responded that PCE  was a subsidization for rural                                                                    
Alaska that  examined the cost  of power  between Anchorage,                                                                    
Fairbanks,  and Juneau,  and required  that rural  residents                                                                    
pay the same  price for the first 750 kilowatts  of power as                                                                    
the  state's three  largest cities.  He  clarified that  PCE                                                                    
would not pay  for power houses or for bulk  fuel which were                                                                    
typically funded  by UGF. There  was a provision  within PCE                                                                    
stating  if  the  earnings  of the  program  after  PCE  and                                                                    
community assistance grants had  contributed, there could be                                                                    
up  to $25  million in  a "waterfall  affect" that  could be                                                                    
used  for power  houses, a  renewable energy  fund, or  bulk                                                                    
fuel loans for communities;  however, money was not strictly                                                                    
set aside for these purposes.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson appreciated the response.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer continued to slide  15, which gave an overview of                                                                    
the Renewable Energy  Fund (REF). He shared  that there were                                                                    
over  100 operational  projects and  44 in  development. The                                                                    
Renewable  Energy  Advisory  Committee, consisting  of  five                                                                    
public  members and  four legislators,  unanimously approved                                                                    
27  Round 15  projects earlier  in the  month. The  projects                                                                    
would cost  a total of  $25.5 million. He advanced  to slide                                                                    
16, which  detailed active  REF projects  from Round  13 and                                                                    
Round 14. The  state had appropriated nearly  $20 million in                                                                    
support of  38 REF projects  from Rounds  13 and 14  and the                                                                    
slide   showed  how   the  money   for  projects   had  been                                                                    
distributed  throughout the  state.  He turned  to slide  17                                                                    
which detailed the REF Round  15 recommendations. He relayed                                                                    
that  hydropower   was  the  most   popular  recommendation,                                                                    
followed  by wind  and solar.  The  left side  of the  slide                                                                    
showed the  communities that  would receive  the recommended                                                                    
funding.  The  communities at  the  top  of the  list  would                                                                    
receive funding  first and  the following  communities would                                                                    
receive funding as it was available.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:15:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  continued  to  slide 18  and  detailed  the  $5                                                                    
million request for  hydroelectric development, specifically                                                                    
the Dixon Project and the  Godwin Project. He explained that                                                                    
AEA was  studying the  Dixon and  Godwin Creeks  to optimize                                                                    
the hydro energy potential on  the Railbelt. The funds would                                                                    
be  used  for  engineering  studies  including  feasibility,                                                                    
hydrological,   geological,   and   environmental   studies,                                                                    
including fisheries,  water quality, and  geomorphology. The                                                                    
water that would be diverted  to Bradley Lake would increase                                                                    
hydro energy  potential and could  be utilized for  a longer                                                                    
period of time.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer continued  to slide  19 and  explained that  the                                                                    
Renewable Energy and Efficiency  Programs  provided critical                                                                    
technical support  for communities interested  in developing                                                                    
renewable energy  programs. The $5 million  request would be                                                                    
used  for staffing,  technical  assistance  and support  for                                                                    
utilities  and communities,  as well  as leveraging  federal                                                                    
funds from  federal partners. The state  employed experts in                                                                    
many  renewable  energy fields  but  it  was still  learning                                                                    
about nuclear energy.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer moved  to slide  20, which  was a  recap of  the                                                                    
Delta Phase 3  Power project. The capital request  was for a                                                                    
$3 million  grant to the Golden  Valley Electric Association                                                                    
for the  purpose of  expanding three-phase  power throughout                                                                    
the  Delta  region.  The  project   aimed  to  improve  food                                                                    
security objectives in Alaska.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  advanced to slide  21, which was an  overview of                                                                    
the $200,000 request for  electric emergencies. He clarified                                                                    
that  AEA provided  support when  an electric  utility loses                                                                    
the ability to  generate or transmit power  to its customers                                                                    
and  the  condition  was  a   threat  to  life,  health,  or                                                                    
property. Funding  provided the  current level  of technical                                                                    
support through the Electrical Emergencies Program.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer explained that the  next few slides were projects                                                                    
for which  AEA was not  asking for funding, but  were simply                                                                    
active projects  and programs that  AEA would like  to share                                                                    
with the legislature. He relayed  that slide 23 detailed the                                                                    
State  of  Alaska  EV  Infrastructure  Implementation  Plan,                                                                    
which was  approved in 2022  by the federal  government. The                                                                    
approval  unlocked  $19  million   for  the  purpose  of  EV                                                                    
charging  infrastructure  expansion,   and  AEA  anticipated                                                                    
receiving $52  million for  the project  over the  next five                                                                    
years. The funds  would be received by  DOT and administered                                                                    
by  AEA.  The  plan  would develop  additional  EV  charging                                                                    
stations  around  the state,  but  would  not include  rural                                                                    
Alaska. He explained  that the lack of  development in rural                                                                    
Alaska was  the reason  why AEA  had sought  out competitive                                                                    
funding  in  order to  dedicate  the  funds specifically  to                                                                    
rural Alaska.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  moved to  slide  24,  which contained  Alaska's                                                                    
National    Electric     Vehicle    Infrastructure    (NEVI)                                                                    
requirements. Funding was  required to be used  to build out                                                                    
Alternative  Fuel Corridors  (AFC)  first. Alaska  currently                                                                    
had one  pending AFC, depicted  on the  map on the  slide in                                                                    
green and  black. After the  initial AFC was  finalized, the                                                                    
focus would  be on  national highways  indicated in  pink on                                                                    
the map and then on Southeast Alaska highways in yellow.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:19:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  continued to  slide 25 and  shared that  AEA and                                                                    
the  Railbelt  utilities  closed  on $166  million  in  bond                                                                    
financing   in  order   to   improve   the  efficiency   and                                                                    
deliverable capacity  of power from Bradley  Lake. There was                                                                    
no additional cost to ratepayers  or burden on the treasury.                                                                    
Due  to the  acquisition,  AEA could  begin  the process  of                                                                    
upgrading power transmission lines  between Bradley Lake and                                                                    
the  Soldotna  Substation,  from Soldotna  to  the  Sterling                                                                    
Substation,   and  from   Serling   to   the  Quartz   Creek                                                                    
Substation. He  relayed that  AEA also  wanted to  build the                                                                    
lines taller and were currently  doing energy engineering to                                                                    
identify  costs and  the  best routing  for  the lines.  The                                                                    
complete  buildout would  cost closer  to $500  million, but                                                                    
the funding was a good start.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  moved to  slide  26,  which detailed  the  Grid                                                                    
Resilience  and Innovation  Partnerships (GRIP)  grants. The                                                                    
grants were  IIJA competitive and contained  four buckets of                                                                    
funding:   $100   million    for   the   Railbelt   Backbone                                                                    
Reconstruction Project,  $16 million for the  Battery Energy                                                                    
Storage and  High Voltage Direct Current  (HVDC) Coordinated                                                                    
Control,   $299   million   for  the   Railbelt   Innovation                                                                    
Resiliency Project,  and $250 million  for the  Rural Alaska                                                                    
Microgrid Transformation.  All of the projects  required AEA                                                                    
to compose  concept papers which  had all been  approved and                                                                    
all projects  were currently in  the application  phase. Two                                                                    
of the applications had been  submitted and two more were in                                                                    
progress. He  noted that there  was $10.5  billion available                                                                    
and he  doubted that AEA  would receive its  entire request,                                                                    
but assumed that  AEA would be awarded some  of the funding.                                                                    
He clarified  that AEA  was not  asking for  federal receipt                                                                    
authority because  it did not  yet know how much  funding it                                                                    
would receive.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer advanced  to  slide 27  and  concluded that  AEA                                                                    
provided  energy  solutions  to  meet the  unique  needs  of                                                                    
Alaska's rural  and urban communities. He  quickly went over                                                                    
the  appendix on  slide 29  and explained  that there  was a                                                                    
slide packet  that had been  distributed to  the legislature                                                                    
detailing  Round  15 of  REF.  The  packet gave  a  complete                                                                    
overview of the statutory  guidance, the evaluation process,                                                                    
and  application details  for REF.  He noted  that links  to                                                                    
every page  of the packet were  included on slide 30  of his                                                                    
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:24:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon asked if committee members had questions.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson  asked  Mr. Thayer  if  there  were  other                                                                    
testifiers from AEA available online.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  responded that AEA's  Director of  Planning, Mr.                                                                    
Conner Erickson, and AEA's Chief  Operating Officer, Mr. Tim                                                                    
Sandstrom, were available for questions.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson  appreciated   the  presentation  and  Mr.                                                                    
Thayer's work. She asked if there  was a state match for any                                                                    
of the projects in the latter part of the presentation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Thayer  responded  that  AEA   consisted  of  about  35                                                                    
employees  and  he appreciated  the  work  of the  team.  He                                                                    
highlighted slide  22, which noted  the active  projects and                                                                    
programs  and indicated  which required  a  state match  and                                                                    
which would not. He relayed that  AEA was not asking for any                                                                    
funding  related  to  EV infrastructure,  but  there  was  a                                                                    
competitive IIJA  grant for  EV infrastructure  through GRIP                                                                    
on slide 28. He clarified  that GRIP applications required a                                                                    
one-to-one match.  If AEA was  successful in  acquiring $250                                                                    
million  through  the  grant,   it  would  come  before  the                                                                    
legislature  and ask  for  a $250  million  state match.  He                                                                    
emphasized  that AEA  was still  in the  application process                                                                    
and it would  not be known whether AEA  was successful until                                                                    
the fall  of 2023. Any state  match would be subject  to the                                                                    
legislature  and  if AEA  was  successful  in receiving  any                                                                    
funding,  the  conversation  would happen  next  legislative                                                                    
session.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Cronk asked  Mr.  Thayer if  there were  any                                                                    
funds available for low-carbon  electric projects that would                                                                    
capture carbon.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Thayer  replied that he did  not think so, but  he could                                                                    
look  into  the topic.  He  noted  that  the IIJA  bill  was                                                                    
thousands of pages and the  Department of Energy had not yet                                                                    
released  all of  the funding  for all  programs or  all the                                                                    
guidance for all  of the programs. Many  things could change                                                                    
once  all  of  the  information  was  released.  He  assured                                                                    
Representative  Cronk that  AEA would  keep apprised  of the                                                                    
situation and inform the legislature of any changes.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Cronk appreciated the response.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Edgmon  asked  if Representative  Ortiz,  who  was                                                                    
attending   the   meeting   via  teleconference,   had   any                                                                    
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz responded  that  he did  not have  any                                                                    
questions  but   that  he   thought  the   presentation  was                                                                    
interesting and informative.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:29:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HB  40  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Edgmon  reviewed  the  agenda  for  the  following                                                                    
meeting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:30:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:30 p.m.                                                                                          

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