Legislature(1995 - 1996)

04/27/1995 08:35 AM FIN

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                     HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                   
                         April 27, 1995                                        
                            8:30 A.M.                                          
                                                                               
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  CALL TO ORDER                                                                
                                                                               
  Co-Chair  Mark  Hanley called  the  House Finance  Committee                 
  meeting to order at 8:35 a.m.                                                
                                                                               
  PRESENT                                                                      
                                                                               
  Co-Chair Hanley               Representative Martin                          
  Co-Chair Foster               Representative Mulder                          
  Representative Brown          Representative Navarre                         
  Representative Grussendorf    Representative Parnell                         
  Representative Kelly          Representative Therriault                      
  Representative Kohring                                                       
                                                                               
  ALSO PRESENT                                                                 
                                                                               
  Marilyn  May, Assistant Attorney General, Department of Law;                 
  David Skidmore, Senator Frank; Tom  Williams, Senator Frank;                 
  John Shively, Commissioner, Department of Natural Resources;                 
  Natural Resources;                                                           
  Loren  Jones,  Director,  Division of  Alcoholism  and  Drug                 
  Abuse, Department of  Health and Social Services;  Arthur H.                 
  Snowden, II,  Administrative Director, Alaska  Court System;                 
  Deborah Vogt,  Deputy Commissioner,  Department of  Revenue;                 
  Bernie Smith, Tesoro, Annalee McConnell, Director, Office of                 
  Management  and  Budget,  Office   of  the  Governor;   John                 
  Tillinghouse, Counsel, Tesoro.                                               
                                                                               
  SUMMARY                                                                      
                                                                               
  HB 320    An  Act  approving the  sale  of Prudhoe  Bay Unit                 
            royalty  oil  by  the State  of  Alaska  to Tesoro                 
            Alaska  Petroleum  Company; and  providing  for an                 
            effective date.                                                    
                                                                               
            HB 320 was  reported out of  Committee with a  "do                 
            pass" recommendation  and  with  two  zero  fiscal                 
            notes; one  by the  Department  of Revenue,  dated                 
            4/22/95;  and  one by  the  Department  of Natural                 
            Resources, dated 4/22/95.                                          
                                                                               
  SB 135 am An Act relating to permanent fund dividend program                 
                                                                               
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            notice  requirements,  to  the  ineligibility  for                 
            dividends of individuals convicted of felonies  or                 
            incarcerated   for   misdemeanors,   and  to   the                 
            determination  of  the  number   and  identity  of                 
            certain ineligible individuals; and  providing for                 
            an effective date.                                                 
                                                                               
            HCS CSSB 135  (FIN) was reported out  of Committee                 
            with  "no recommendation"  and  with three  fiscal                 
            impact notes;  one by  the Department  of Revenue,                 
            dated  3/30/95; one  by  the Department  of Public                 
            Safety, dated  3/30/95; and one by  the Department                 
            of Education,  dated 4/11/95;  and  with two  zero                 
            fiscal   notes;   one   by   the   Department   of                 
            Corrections,  dated   3/30/95;  and  one   by  the                 
            Department of Law, dated 4/11/95.                                  
  HB 191    An Act relating to the  management and disposal of                 
            state  land  and  resources;  relating to  certain                 
            remote parcel  and homestead  entry land  purchase                 
            contracts  and  patents;   and  providing  for  an                 
            effective date.                                                    
                                                                               
            HB 191  was held  until the  1:30 p.m.  meeting on                 
            4/27/95.                                                           
  HB 130    An Act relating to agency review of public comment                 
            on  the   adoption,  amendment,   and  repeal   of                 
            regulations;  relating  to   the  examination   of                 
            proposed regulations,  amendments of  regulations,                 
            and   orders   repealing   regulations    by   the                 
            Administrative Regulation Review Committee and the                 
            Department of Law; relating  to the submission to,                 
            and  acceptance  by,  the  lieutenant governor  of                 
            proposed regulations,  amendments of  regulations,                 
            and  orders  repealing regulations;  and requiring                 
            agencies  to  make  certain determinations  before                 
            adopting regulations,  amendments of  regulations,                 
            or orders repealing regulations.                                   
            HB  130 was  held until  the 1:30 p.m.  meeting on                 
            4/27/95.                                                           
  HB 57     An  Act   relating  to  driver's   licensing;  and                 
            providing for an effective date.                                   
                                                                               
            HB  was  held  until  the  1:30  p.m.  meeting  on                 
            4/27/95.                                                           
  HOUSE BILL NO. 320                                                           
                                                                               
       An Act approving the  sale of Prudhoe Bay  Unit royalty                 
                                                                               
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       oil  by the State of  Alaska to Tesoro Alaska Petroleum                 
       Company; and providing for an effective date.                           
                                                                               
  JOHN SHIVELY, COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT  OF NATURAL RESOURCES                 
  testified in support of HB 320.  He gave a brief overview of                 
  the legislation.  He observed that  HB 320 approves the sale                 
  of  Prudhoe Bay Unit  royalty oil by the  state of Alaska to                 
  the  Tesoro Alaska  Petroleum  Company.   He noted  that the                 
  Alaska  Royalty  Oil  and  Gas  Development  Advisory  Board                 
  reviewed the contract with unanimous  support.  The contract                 
  allows:                                                                      
                                                                               
       *    Tesoro to buy 40,000 thousand barrels a day or  30                 
            percent of the Prudhoe Bay Unit royalty oil;                       
       *    The  State  to  retain  108  thousand  barrels  of                 
            Prudhoe Bay Unit royalty oil; and                                  
       *    Grants Tesoro a  three year contract based  on the                 
            west coast value paid to Exxon.                                    
                                                                               
  Commissioner Shively  maintained that the  contract provides                 
  the State with a premium.  He noted that the Commissioner of                 
  the Department of  Natural Resources is  required by law  to                 
  obtain the minimum price that would  result from the sale of                 
  the oil by  the British  Petroleum Company (BP).   He  noted                 
  that Tesoro has provided the State  with a letter of credit.                 
  Commissioner Shively  emphasized that Tesoro  provides local                 
  employment.    He  stressed  that  in-state  processing  has                 
  reduced the price of petroleum products in the state.                        
                                                                               
  In   response  to  a   question  by  Representative  Mulder,                 
  Commissioner Shively  reiterated that the contract  runs for                 
  three  years.    He clarified  that  the  contract  would be                 
  renegotiated at the end of three years.                                      
                                                                               
  BERNIE  SMITH,  TESORO  ALASKA  PETROLEUM COMPANY  spoke  in                 
  support  of HB  320.   He  emphasized that  Tesoro's current                 
  contract  will  end December  30, 1995.    He noted  that 80                 
  percent  of  Tesoro's crude  oil  comes  from the  state  of                 
  Alaska.  He referred  to statements made in "An  Analysis of                 
  the Department of Natural  Resources Three-Year Contract for                 
  the  Sale of  Prudhoe  Bay  Royalty  Oil  to  Tesoro  Alaska                 
  Petroleum Company" dated March 29, 1995  (copy on file).  He                 
  observed that the  contract would require  that at least  80                 
  percent  of  the  oil  purchased  be processed  at  Tesoro's                 
  Nikiski refinery.   He  emphasized that there  are no  other                 
  stable long  term  sources  of crude  oil  for  the  Nikiski                 
  refinery.  He stressed that if  the contract is not ratified                 
  before the legislature  adjourns that  Tesoro would lose  80                 
  percent  of  its  crude  oil  and  its  refinery  would   be                 
  jeopardized.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Mr. Smith asserted that  Tesoro is paying a premium  for the                 
                                                                               
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  contract.    He emphasized  that  Tesoro can  live  with the                 
  negotiated price.  Mr. Smith  noted that the contract states                 
  that if the North Slope Export Ban is lifted the price  will                 
  be renegotiated.                                                             
                                                                               
  Representative Therriault summarized that 100 percent of the                 
  royalty constitutes 80 percent of Tesoro's  crude oil at the                 
  Nikiski  refinery.  He asked why  the contract allows Tesoro                 
  to  use  only 80  percent.    Mr. Smith  explained  that the                 
  provision allows  Tesoro to  adjust refinery  rates to  meet                 
  demand.                                                                      
                                                                               
  JOHN TILLINGHOUSE, COUNSEL, TESORO  ALASKA PETROLEUM COMPANY                 
  explained  the in value  price.  He  referred to page  15 of                 
  Tesoro's analysis.   He explained  that the Exxon  price has                 
  been $.19 cents a barrel higher than the in-value price.                     
                                                                               
  In response to a question by Representative Grussendorf, Mr.                 
  Commissioner  Shively stated  that any  disadvantage in  the                 
  contract effects Tesoro.  He stressed  that there is no risk                 
  to the  State.  He added that if  the State audits and finds                 
  that Exxon  has under reported, Tesoro could  be required to                 
  pay additional money.  Tesoro could also be disadvantaged by                 
  the reopening of the Export Ban.                                             
                                                                               
  Representative Brown  asked how  the current  in-value price                 
  compares to the  settlement price in the Amerada  Hess case.                 
  Mr. Tillinghouse stated that all the prices used by Tesoro's                 
  analysis flow from the Amerada Hess settlement.                              
                                                                               
  Commissioner Shively emphasized  that the  BP price was  not                 
  used because the transportation  cost was not included.   He                 
  explained that  the State  has 6  years to  audit the  Exxon                 
  price.  He  added that the State's  price is higher and  the                 
  letter of credit submitted by Tesoro is longer.                              
                                                                               
  Mr.  Smith  noted   that  Tesoro's  letter  of   credit  has                 
  previously  been for 60 days.  The  State requested a 90 day                 
  letter of credit.  The  contract represents a compromise  of                 
  75 days.   Tesoro remains in negotiation  with their charter                 
  shipper to  reduce the  letter  of credit  to 60  days.   He                 
  acknowledged that the  State needs assurance that  if Tesoro                 
  defaults there is a ship to carry the oil.                                   
                                                                               
  In response  to a  question by  Representative Navarre,  Mr.                 
  Smith noted that  Tesoro would be  required to pay within  a                 
  three working days after billing.  He emphasized that Tesoro                 
  has   never  failed  to   make  a  payment   to  the  State.                 
  Representative Navarre  maintained that  the lengthening  of                 
  the letter of credit  puts Tesoro at risk by  reducing their                 
  capital availability.                                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
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  Mr. Tillinghouse noted that Mapco receives state royalty oil                 
  without posting a letter of credit.   He emphasized that the                 
  additional banking costs  will be $156.0 thousand  dollars a                 
  year and will tie up $8 to $9 million dollars.                               
                                                                               
  Representative Navarre  stressed  that  the  State  is  well                 
  protected by the contract.                                                   
                                                                               
  Representative Brown asked if Tesoro has ever failed to take                 
  delivery of the  oil.  Mr. Smith  could not recall  any time                 
  Tesoro failed to  take delivery.   Mr. Tillinghouse  pointed                 
  out that Tesoro is obligated for the oil regardless of their                 
  ability to take  delivery.   Tesoro would have  to give  the                 
  State six months  notice to  not take delivery.   Mr.  Smith                 
  anticipated that Tesoro  will be able  to use all the  crude                 
  available.  Mr. Tillinghouse added that  if Tesoro gives six                 
  months notice on their inability to take delivery they would                 
  be  assessed a penalty.  Mr. Smith expressed confidence that                 
  Tesoro can maintain the terms of the contract.                               
                                                                               
  In  response  to   a  question   by  Representative   Brown,                 
  Commissioner Shively stated  that a competitive bid  was not                 
  considered.    He  noted that  the  State  is  considering a                 
  competitive sale in  the future.  He  emphasized that Tesoro                 
  provides the State  with economic  benefits as  an in  state                 
  producer.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Mr.  Bernie clarified  that Tesoro  is seeking  a  long term                 
  contract.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Representative Navarre commended Tesoro  in their success in                 
  Alaska.   He MOVED  to report HB  320 out of  Committee with                 
  individual recommendations and  with the accompanying fiscal                 
  notes.                                                                       
                                                                               
  HCS CSSB 135  (FIN) was reported  out of Committee with  "no                 
  recommendation" and with  three fiscal impact notes;  one by                 
  the  Department  of  Revenue,  dated  3/30/95;  one  by  the                 
  Department of Public Safety, dated  3/30/95; and one by  the                 
  Department of Education,  dated 4/11/95;  and with two  zero                 
  fiscal notes; one  by the  Department of Corrections,  dated                 
  3/30/95; and one by the Department of Law, dated 4/11/95.                    
  SENATE BILL 135 am                                                           
                                                                               
       An  Act relating  to  permanent fund  dividend  program                 
       notice requirements, to the ineligibility for dividends                 
       of  individuals convicted  of felonies  or incarcerated                 
       for  misdemeanors,  and  to  the determination  of  the                 
       number and identity of certain ineligible  individuals;                 
       and providing for an effective date.                                    
                                                                               
                                                                               
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  DAVID SKIDMORE, STAFF, SENATOR FRANK testified in support of                 
  SB 135.  He noted that similar legislation was passed by the                 
  Senate unanimously in the previous session, but  died in the                 
  House.  He explained  that SB 135 amends the  Permanent Fund                 
  forfeiture statutes in  four ways.   It expands the pool  of                 
  criminals who are ineligible for permanent fund dividends to                 
  include persons who are convicted but  not incarcerated of a                 
  felony  and   persons  incarcerated   for  their  third   or                 
  subsequent  misdemeanor  conviction.    It  also amends  the                 
  process by which  the forfeited dividends are  available for                 
  appropriation to selected  state agencies.   There would  no                 
  longer be a one  year lag in the appropriation  to agencies.                 
  This would allow a second appropriation from the dividend to                 
  be available  in FY 96.   He noted  that the Senate's  FY 96                 
  Department of Corrections' operating budget is predicated on                 
  the availability of  these one-time  funds.   The bill  also                 
  creates a new notice requirement that would show  the amount                 
  that would otherwise have been paid to ineligible criminals;                 
  the grounds  for the ineligibility; the  legislative purpose                 
  in  making criminals ineligible; and the amount appropriated                 
  to  each of  the agencies.    The bill  would  also add  the                 
  Department of  Law, the Department of Public  Safety and the                 
  Department of  Revenue to  the list  of government  entities                 
  that  are  eligible  to   receive  appropriations  from  the                 
  forfeited dividends.   He  observed that  the Committee  has                 
  been  provided  with  an amendment  which  would  remove the                 
  Department  of Revenue,  Child Support  Enforcement Division                 
  (CSED) from the list.   He explained that the  Department of                 
  Revenue was originally  added in  response to concerns  that                 
  child support cases would be  unduly affected.  He  stressed                 
  that analysis shows that the actual impact to child  support                 
  cases  would be  minimal.   He  expressed  concern that  the                 
  inclusion of the Department of  Revenue could invalidate the                 
  amendments in  SB 135  since there  is not  a clear  linkage                 
  between child support payments of criminals and the criminal                 
  justice system.                                                              
                                                                               
  Representative Brown asked for clarification of the priority                 
  of call on the permanent fund dividends.                                     
                                                                               
  TOM WILLIAMS, STAFF, SENATOR FRANK  stated that AS 43.23.065                 
  (b) lists priorities.   He reviewed priorities  as listed in                 
  AS 43.23.065 (b).  He stated  that the legislation would not                 
  change the order of  draw.  He explained that  the dividends                 
  would  not be available  for attachment since  they would be                 
  forfeited.                                                                   
                                                                               
  (Tape Change, HFC 95-102, Side 1)                                            
                                                                               
  Mr. Skidmore  explained that dividends would be appropriated                 
  to reimburse costs  imposed on the criminal  justice system.                 
  Approximately 2,000 felons would become ineligible.                          
                                                                               
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  Representative Brown suggested that the amount  of dividends                 
  that would  be available  for attachment  for child  support                 
  would be reduced.                                                            
                                                                               
  Mr.  Skidmore  provided  members  with   a  summary  of  the                 
  estimated number of  newly-ineligible criminals whose  child                 
  support obligations would be affected  by SB 135 (Attachment                 
  1).  He stated that out  of 2,000 criminals approximately 20                 
  percent would have active Child Support Enforcement Division                 
  cases.  He stated that 47 percent of these cases would be on                 
  AFDC.  He summarized that only 46  cases would be CSED cases                 
  involving PFD garnishment.                                                   
                                                                               
  Mr. Skidmore observed  that the criminals in  question would                 
  have less than a  one year sentence.  He explained that AFDC                 
  cases were  exempted since all  but $50.0  dollars of  their                 
  PFD's are already forfeited to the state.                                    
                                                                               
  Mr.  Williams  added  that  some  persons  collecting  child                 
  support will be  affected by  the denial of  dividends.   He                 
  stressed  that  the number  will  be relatively  small.   He                 
  emphasized that $2.7 million dollars  would be available for                 
  state operations in FY 96.                                                   
                                                                               
  MARILYN MAY,  ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL, DEPARTMENT  OF LAW                 
  testified via the  teleconference network.  She  agreed that                 
  all but $50.0 dollars of AFDC obliges' PFD's would go to the                 
  State.  She stated that the impact on AFDC custodial parents                 
  would be minimal.  She acknowledged  that the money would be                 
  transferred from one pocket to another.                                      
                                                                               
  Representative  Brown summarized  that  funding  for Aid  to                 
  Families  with  Dependent  Children  (AFDC) operation  costs                 
  would not be available under the provisions of SB 135.                       
                                                                               
  Ms.  May  stated   that  previous  constitutional   concerns                 
  regarding equal protection and  ex-facto have been addressed                 
  by SB 135.                                                                   
                                                                               
  LOREN JONES, DIRECTOR,  DIVISION OF  ALCOHOL AND DRUG  ABUSE                 
  expressed concern that most third time misdemeanor offenders                 
  covered  under  SB  135  would  be part  of  the  Division's                 
  treatment  system.    He  observed   that  these  PFD's  are                 
  currently used by treatment agencies  to compute income from                 
  fees owed.   He stressed that the  use of these fees  by the                 
  Division of Alcohol and  Drug Abuse is not recognized  by SB
  135.  He added that HB  159 would add a new group of  felons                 
  that  would loose their PFD's as the  result of a third time                 
  misdemeanor.  He noted that  these treatment programs cannot                 
  attach dividends in a subsequent year.                                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
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  DEBRA VOGT,  DEPUTY DIRECTOR,  DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE  stated                 
  that the legislation  enlarges the  class of offenders  that                 
  would not be eligible for PFDs.  She referred to the  timing                 
  mechanisms that permit a one time only appropriation of $2.7                 
  million  dollars   out  of   the  Permanent   Fund  Dividend                 
  Distribution  Fund in  FY  96.   She  provided members  with                 
  charts demonstrating the  appropriation path (Attachment  2A                 
  and 2B).   She stated  that the Governor  has concerns  that                 
  dividends  in  question  are  already  being used  by  other                 
  agencies for other programs.                                                 
                                                                               
  Ms.  Vogt  reviewed attachment  2A.   She  demonstrated that                 
  dividends paid for  the January  1 - March  30, 1995  period                 
  would normally be available in 1996.   She showed that these                 
  dividends would be appropriated in 1995 under the provisions                 
  of SB 135.  She added that dividends withheld from criminals                 
  in the  prior year are  also paid  in 1995.   She summarized                 
  that by moving up the notification  by a year both dividends                 
  will be  appropriated in FY 96.   She stated that the result                 
  of two appropriations from the  Permanent Fund Dividend will                 
  be that an additional $5.0 dollars  would be taken from each                 
  individual's dividend.                                                       
                                                                               
  Ms.  Vogt stated  that the  drafting language  of section  7                 
  would prevent the disclosure  of the additional cost  of the                 
  provisions of SB 135.                                                        
                                                                               
  Representative  Therriault  MOVED   to  adopt  Amendment   1                 
  (Attachment  3).   Amendment  1  would remove  Department of                 
  Revenue for child support from the list  of departments that                 
  can  receive  funds from  the  denied criminals.    Ms. Vogt                 
  argued  that  dividends  garnished  by  the  Child   Support                 
  Enforcement Division go to children.   She stressed that the                 
  amendment and an increase  of the class of  offenders denied                 
  are separate issues from the  Administration's opposition to                 
  the bill.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Co-Chair  Hanley  summarized  that  the  Administration   is                 
  opposed to the policy call  of having two appropriations  in                 
  one fiscal period.  Ms. Vogt stated that the  Administration                 
  is neutral on amendment 1.                                                   
                                                                               
  There being NO OBJECTION, Amendment 1 was adopted.                           
                                                                               
  Ms. Vogt demonstrated how the change in the appropriation of                 
  forfeited dividends will result in a reduction of the amount                 
  available  for   dividends  appropriated   in  1995.     She                 
  reiterated  that  1995  dividends will  be  reduced  by $5.0                 
  dollars each.  She explained  that dividends appropriated to                 
  agencies from forfeits  by felons in  FY 95 are from  felons                 
  incarcerated in FY 94.  She  reiterated that two years worth                 
  of non-payments to felons are being  taken out of one year's                 
                                                                               
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  budget.    Representative  Navarre  argued  that  the  first                 
  payment for 1994  should have been shown in FY 95.  Ms. Vogt                 
  stressed that the  reason for the gap is  that the amount of                 
  the dividend  is unknown during  the appropriation  process.                 
  She observed that those that are  not going to get dividends                 
  do  not  have an  incentive  to  apply.   The  Department of                 
  Corrections provides the  Department of Revenue with  a tape                 
  of incarcerated offenders that would have been eligible.                     
                                                                               
  Representative   Brown   recalled   that   the  reason   the                 
  Legislature did not  require disclosure of the  amount taken                 
  from felons' dividends is that other dividends  would not be                 
  affected.  She questioned  the effect of a 90  day effective                 
  date.  Ms. Vogt did not think there would be a large impact.                 
                                                                               
  ANNALEE MCCONNELL DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET,                 
  OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR testified that the Governor  does not                 
  support the concept of SB 135 as a method to solve the FY 96                 
  budget problem.   She stressed that  the State has on  going                 
  budget problems that must be addressed.  She emphasized that                 
  SB 135  will not result in a long  term solution.  She added                 
  that other entities dependent on PFD's receipts would be put                 
  in jeopardy.                                                                 
                                                                               
  (Tape Change, HFC 95-103, Side 1)                                            
                                                                               
  Representative Martin spoke in support of program fees.  Ms.                 
  McConnell stated that  the Governor  supports program  fees,                 
  but emphasized that  they have  concern about combining  two                 
  year's fees into one.                                                        
                                                                               
  ARTHUR H. SNOWDEN, II, ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTOR, ALASKA COURT                 
  SYSTEM pointed out that the  PFD's of indigent offenders are                 
  already being assigned  to the State  for the cost of  their                 
  defense.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Ms. May added that the collection  for DWI offenders pay for                 
  their incarceration.                                                         
                                                                               
  Representative Brown asked  if the  amount of court  ordered                 
  restitutions were known.  Mr. Snowden stated that the amount                 
  was not known.                                                               
                                                                               
  Representative  Martin MOVED  to  report SB  135  am out  of                 
  Committee  with  individual  recommendations  and  with  the                 
  accompanying fiscal notes.   Representative Brown  OBJECTED.                 
  She  emphasized  the  impact  on  those that  are  currently                 
  receiving the PFD's  such as  the Child Support  Enforcement                 
  Division,  parents,  victims   and  Aid  to  Families   with                 
  Dependent  Children.    She observed  that  individual PFD's                 
  would be further reduced by $5.0 dollars.  She stressed that                 
  much of the money  is already going to the  criminal justice                 
                                                                               
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  system.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Representative   Grussendorf   spoke   against  short   term                 
  solutions to a long term budget problem.                                     
                                                                               
  A roll call vote  was taken on the MOTION to move  SB 135 am                 
  from Committee.                                                              
                                                                               
  IN FAVOR: Kelly,   Kohring,   Martin,   Mulder,  Therriault,                 
  Foster,        Hanley                                                        
  OPPOSED:  Brown, Grussendorf                                                 
                                                                               
  Representatives Parnell  and Navarre  were  absent from  the                 
  meeting.                                                                     
                                                                               
  The MOTION PASSED (7-2).                                                     
                                                                               
  HCS CSSB 135  (FIN) was reported  out of Committee with  "no                 
  recommendation" and with  three fiscal impact notes;  one by                 
  the  Department  of  Revenue,  dated  3/30/95;  one  by  the                 
  Department of Public Safety, dated  3/30/95; and one by  the                 
  Department of Education,  dated 4/11/95;  and with two  zero                 
  fiscal notes; one  by the  Department of Corrections,  dated                 
  3/30/95; and one by the Department of Law, dated 4/11/95.                    
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  The meeting adjourned at 10:20 a.m.                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
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