Legislature(2025 - 2026)GRUENBERG 120

03/06/2025 01:30 PM House ENERGY

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01:33:07 PM Presentation(s): Railbelt Decarbonization Project
03:06:02 PM Adjourn
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Update by Steve Colt, Research Professor, Alaska
Center for Energy and Power
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON ENERGY                                                                              
                         March 6, 2025                                                                                          
                           1:32 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                             DRAFT                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ky Holland, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Representative Donna Mears, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative George Rauscher                                                                                                  
Representative Mia Costello                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative Chuck Kopp                                                                                                       
Representative Cathy Tilton                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S): RAILBELT GRID SCENARIOS FOR 2050                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
STEVE COLT, Research Professor                                                                                                  
Alaska Center for Energy and Power                                                                                              
University of Alaska                                                                                                            
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave the Railbelt Decarbonization Project                                                              
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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1:32:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HOLLAND called the House Special Committee on Energy                                                                   
meeting to order at 1:32 p.m.  Representatives Mears, Rauscher,                                                                 
Costello, and Holland were present at the call to order.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S): Railbelt Decarbonization Project                                                                              
       PRESENTATION(S): Railbelt Decarbonization Project                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
1:33:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HOLLAND announced that the  only order of business would                                                               
be the Railbelt Decarbonization Project presentation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:34:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE  COLT, Research  Professor,  Alaska Center  for Energy  and                                                               
Power (ACEP), University of Alaska  (UA), directed attention to a                                                               
PowerPoint  presentation,  titled  "Railbelt Grid  Scenarios  for                                                               
2050" [hard copy  included in the committee packet].   He started                                                               
on  slide  2,  which  highlighted  the  Railbelt  2050  Scenarios                                                               
Project that  considers whether a much  larger electricity demand                                                               
could  be  met in  the  Railbelt  in  2050 by  using  alternative                                                               
generation sources  while maintaining reliability  and stability,                                                               
and  what this  might  cost.   It  also  enumerated the  partners                                                               
involved in  the project that  ran from 2022  to 2023.   He added                                                               
that  an update  was  done in  mid-2024.   Slide  3 outlined  the                                                               
multi-step analytical  approach to the project,  which required a                                                               
large team  of specialists and heavy  involvement from electrical                                                               
engineers.   Slide 4  defined the  project's challenge:  meet the                                                               
hourly  2050 projected  electricity demand,  which equaled  twice                                                               
the  2021  demand,  and  more  winter-peaking  while  maintaining                                                               
reliability.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:41:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  COLT,  in  response  to a  series  of  committee  questions,                                                               
recalled that the  doubling of the load could  be associated with                                                               
more than half  the vehicles on the road being  electric by 2050;                                                               
however, it  wouldn't take a  lot of  data centers to  account of                                                               
the  Railbelt load.   He  confirmed that  consideration had  been                                                               
given to the  type of demand and how that  characterizes the load                                                               
on the grid,  but the load dimension could not  be fully explored                                                               
due to  lack of  time and  resources.  He  noted that  the Alaska                                                               
Center  for Energy  and  Power  treated a  large  portion of  the                                                               
electric  vehicle  (EV) load  as  if  it  were a  pumped  storage                                                               
installation where energy  could be put when  available and taken                                                               
out  when needed.    He  shared his  belief  that  the fall  2024                                                               
National  Renewable  Energy Laboratory  (NREL)  2  study took  an                                                               
intermediate load  growth, while NREL  1 assumed a flat  load. He                                                               
agreed  that it  is equally  important to  consider some  kind of                                                               
flat  load scenario  as a  reality check.   One  thing about  the                                                               
Railbelt, he  noted, is  that there's  adequate capacity  to meet                                                               
the  current load  if the  state is  willing to  continue burning                                                               
fossil  fuels.    In  addition, the  "business  as  usual"  (BAU)                                                               
scenario  meets  the  doubled  load  with  a  minimal  additional                                                               
investment in thermal generating capacity.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:50:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. COLT  continued to  Slide 5, which  outlined the  following 5                                                               
scenarios:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     BAU: Build Dixon  Diversion, 30 MW Little  Mt. Su Wind,                                                                    
     HVDC  to Beluga,  Upgrade Kenai  intertie. Add  thermal                                                                    
     capacity as needed.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Wind/Solar: Build  wind, solar & storage.  Upgrade both                                                                    
     Kenai and Anchorage-Fairbanks transmission to 230 kV.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Wind/Solar/Hydro:   Build    Susitna-Watana475-600   MW                                                                    
     hydro,  plus   wind,  solar  &   storage.  Transmission                                                                    
     upgrades same as W/S.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Wind/Solar/Tidal: Build  400 MW tidal project  in Lower                                                                    
     Cook Inlet,  plus wind,  solar &  storage. Transmission                                                                    
     upgrades same as W/S.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Wind/Solar/Nuclear:  Build  2  small  modular  reactors                                                                    
     (308+231 MW), plus wind,  solar & storage. Transmission                                                                    
     upgrades same as W/S.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. COLT  highlighted the  wind/solar scenario  - a  new addition                                                               
based on the committee's prior  feedback - that attempted to rely                                                               
on wind and solar as  core resources with additional resources as                                                               
needed.   In  response  to  a follow  up  question,  he said  the                                                               
production  cost   model  assumed  that  gas   was  available  at                                                               
$14/mmbtu in 2050.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:54:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. COLT continued to Slide  6, which assessed resource selection                                                               
and sizing  based on  availability and  cost.   In response  to a                                                               
question from  the co-chair, he  replied that the load  growth is                                                               
proportional to the  three existing load centers.   He added that                                                               
there was no attempt to  collocate blocks of loads with potential                                                               
supplies.   Slide 7 showed a  bar chart of installed  capacity by                                                               
resource.    He  reiterated  that the  modeling  shows  that  the                                                               
doubled load could  be met with minimal  additional investment in                                                               
thermal capacity  if the  state wants  to remain  fuel dependent.                                                               
Further, the wind needed for  the wind/solar scenario is not much                                                               
more than the amount needed  for the other scenarios that include                                                               
big anchor resources.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:02:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  COLT,  in  response  to a  series  of  committee  questions,                                                               
explained  that   the  assumption   on  battery  cost   is  quite                                                               
conservative, and  no new  technology was assumed.   The  cost of                                                               
existing  lithium-ion  technology  was   used,  with  no  storage                                                               
duration greater than six hours.   He said every scenario modeled                                                               
on slide 7 retains the  need for significant thermal capacity, so                                                               
batteries plus wind plus solar is  not enough.  He confirmed that                                                               
if all  existing thermal units  were run 24/7, it  would generate                                                               
twice  as much  energy needed  to  meet the  doubled load,  which                                                               
illustrates the capacity  utilization of thermal.   He added that                                                               
a cost  benefit analysis  was not conducted  on the  upgrades and                                                               
emphasized that the  results depend on the  availability of basic                                                               
upgrades and a vastly increased use of transmission.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:13:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR COLT  resumed the presentation  on slide 8, which  displayed a                                                               
bar chart of annual generation  in 2050 featuring an hour-by-hour                                                               
analysis.  He walked  the committee  through each  scenario.   In                                                               
response to  a question  from the  co-chair, he  said reliability                                                               
and  stability are  the reason  that fossil  fuel isn't  entirely                                                               
eliminated in  the nuclear option.   Slide  9 showed the  cost of                                                               
capacity,  which would  require billions  in capital  investment.                                                               
Modeling showed  that the double  load could  be run of  a fossil                                                               
fuel  system in  2050 without  the Northern  upgrade.   All other                                                               
scenarios include the Northern and  Southern upgrade.  He further                                                               
noted that the  capital investment required for  each scenario is                                                               
after applying a  30 percent tax credit.  Slide  10 addressed the                                                               
cost of service  to ratepayers.  The essence of  the tradeoff, he                                                               
said,  is  whether  to  stick  with  fuel,  or  go  with  capital                                                               
investment that get's the state away from fuel.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:29:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  COLT, in  response to  committee questions,  said the  basic                                                               
assumption  on cost  of capital  is 5  percent interest  and debt                                                               
finance.  He  continued to slide 11 and  discussed the generation                                                               
and  transmission (G&T)  cost of  service  across 25  sensitivity                                                               
cases, which  produced remarkably similar results.   He explained                                                               
that by assuming fuel is  25 percent higher, wind/solar starts to                                                               
look like  the cheapest option,  but uncertainty around  the cost                                                               
of  wind  construction  in  particular  is  phenomenal  and  much                                                               
greater than  even four months ago.   He concluded that  the cost                                                               
of electricity would be similar under  all scenarios.  He began a                                                               
summary of  transmission and stability  on slide 12,  noting that                                                               
the  Railbelt grid  is  very  weak and  would  require  a lot  of                                                               
"tender, love,  and care"  with the addition  of renewables.   He                                                               
explained  that wind  and  solar are  intermittent  and lack  the                                                               
inertia required for  a stable grid.  Slide  13 analyzed intertie                                                               
utilization  up 5-20-fold  and highlighted  the increase  in both                                                               
magnitude  and direction  of the  flows.   Slide  14 charted  the                                                               
"highest renewable week generation  and operations" under various                                                               
scenarios,  highlighting  periods with  inverter-based  resources                                                               
(IBR) versus  synchronous generation  (GS).  Slide  15 considered                                                               
what it would take to make  the grid work on renewables with less                                                               
SG  and whether  IBRs could  effectively replace  SG.   It showed                                                               
that by  sticking with thermal  in the  BAU scenario, there  is a                                                               
lot of SG, as  well as with hydro, nuclear, and  tidal due to the                                                               
massive spinning  turbines.  There would  be a lot less  of it in                                                               
the wind/solar  scenario and  more IBR.   Slide  16 recapitulated                                                               
the annual wind  and solar generation as percentage of  load.  He                                                               
pointed out that  wind/solar would offer a lot of  free energy if                                                               
used correctly.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:47:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. COLT,  in response to committee  questions, acknowledged that                                                               
geographic diversity was  taken into account.  He  noted that the                                                               
first approximation  was to  put wind/solar  into batteries.   He                                                               
summarized a transmission analysis on  slide 17, and continued to                                                               
slide 18,  which listed  the equipment  needed for  stability and                                                               
reliability to  ensure that inverter-based resources  can achieve                                                               
their  intended   purpose.    Slide  19   considered  operational                                                               
mitigation options.  He reported  that it was more cost effective                                                               
to put in new transmission compared  to burning more fuel.  Slide                                                               
20   provided  graphics   of  grid-forming   inverters  from   an                                                               
engineering  perspective and  highlighted certain  scenarios that                                                               
produced  system  collapse.   Ultimately,  they  determined  that                                                               
grid-forming  inverters  in   conjunction  with  batteries  would                                                               
stabilize the system under difficult  conditions, such as loss of                                                               
the biggest intertie.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:58:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. COLT,  in response to  a series of committee  questions, said                                                               
the  analysis  was pre-artificial  intelligence  (AI).   He  said                                                               
strategic thinking begins with  considering optionality and which                                                               
projects  foreclose  it  versus  create   it.    With  regard  to                                                               
uncertainty around demand, he recommended more flexibility to                                                                   
follow it, adding that creating new loads is within the purview                                                                 
of public policy.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:06:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Special Committee on Energy meeting was adjourned at 3:06 p.m.                                                                  

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Colt ACEP Railbelt 2050 Study for House Energy 06Mar2025.pdf HENE 3/6/2025 1:30:00 PM
ACEP Railbelt 2050 one-pager v4.1 05Mar2025.pdf HENE 3/6/2025 1:30:00 PM