Legislature(2021 - 2022)DAVIS 106

03/23/2022 08:00 AM House EDUCATION

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Professional Teaching Practices Commission
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Moved CSHB 108(EDC) Out of Committee
Moved HB 312 Out of Committee
Moved HB 350 Out of Committee
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 23, 2022                                                                                         
                           8:04 a.m.                                                                                            
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
Representative Harriet Drummond, Co-Chair                                                                                       
Representative Andi Story, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Representative Tiffany Zulkosky                                                                                                 
Representative Grier Hopkins                                                                                                    
Representative Mike Prax                                                                                                        
Representative Mike Cronk                                                                                                       
Representative Ronald Gillham                                                                                                   
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
HOUSE BILL NO. 312                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to dress codes and natural hairstyles."                                                                        
     - MOVED HB 312 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
HOUSE BILL NO. 350                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to school bond debt reimbursement; and                                                                         
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
     - MOVED HB 350 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
HOUSE BILL NO. 108                                                                                                              
"An  Act relating  to concurrent  vocational education,  training,                                                              
and  on-the-job trade  experience programs  for students  enrolled                                                              
in  public  secondary  schools;   relating  to  child  labor;  and                                                              
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
     - MOVED CSHB 108(EDC) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                                        
Professional Teaching Practices Commission                                                                                    
     - HEARING CANCELED                                                                                                         
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
BILL: HB 312                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: ALLOW NATURAL HAIRSTYLES                                                                                           
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) TARR                                                                                              
02/09/22       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/09/22       (H)       EDC, L&C                                                                                               
03/11/22       (H)       EDC AT  8:00 AM DAVIS 106                                                                              
03/11/22       (H)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
03/14/22       (H)       EDC AT  8:00 AM DAVIS 106                                                                              
03/14/22       (H)       Heard &  Held                                                                                          
03/14/22       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
03/23/22       (H)       EDC AT  8:00 AM DAVIS 106                                                                              
BILL: HB 350                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: SCHOOL BOND DEBT REIMBURSEMENT                                                                                     
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) DRUMMOND                                                                                          
02/22/22       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/22/22       (H)       EDC, FIN                                                                                               
03/04/22       (H)       EDC AT  8:00 AM DAVIS 106                                                                              
03/04/22       (H)       Heard &  Held                                                                                          
03/04/22       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
03/14/22       (H)       EDC AT  8:00 AM DAVIS 106                                                                              
03/14/22       (H)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
03/16/22       (H)       EDC AT  8:00 AM DAVIS 106                                                                              
03/16/22       (H)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
03/23/22       (H)       EDC AT  8:00 AM DAVIS 106                                                                              
BILL: HB 108                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: CONCURRENT SECONDARY  & TRADE SCHOOL                                                                               
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) MCCARTY                                                                                           
02/22/21       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/22/21       (H)       EDC, L&C,  FIN                                                                                         
04/09/21       (H)       EDC AT  8:00 AM DAVIS 106                                                                              
04/09/21       (H)       Heard &  Held                                                                                          
04/09/21       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
02/23/22       (H)       EDC AT  3:30 PM DAVIS 106                                                                              
02/23/22       (H)       Heard &  Held                                                                                          
02/23/22       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
03/04/22       (H)       EDC AT  8:00 AM DAVIS 106                                                                              
03/04/22       (H)       Heard &  Held                                                                                          
03/04/22       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
03/14/22       (H)       EDC AT  8:00 AM DAVIS 106                                                                              
03/14/22       (H)       Scheduled but Not Heard                                                                                
03/16/22       (H)       EDC AT  8:00 AM DAVIS 106                                                                              
03/16/22       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/16/22       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
03/23/22       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM DAVIS 106                                                                               
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE MCCARTY                                                                                                          
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   As prime  sponsor,  answered questions  and                                                            
provided information on the proposed CS for HB 108, [Version W].                                                                
DEBORAH RIDDLE, Division Operations Manager                                                                                     
Innovation and Education Excellence                                                                                             
Department of Education and Early Development                                                                                   
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions on HB 108, [Version W].                                                               
JIM ANDERSON, Chief Finance Office                                                                                              
Anchorage School District                                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Answered questions and  provided information                                                            
during the hearing on HB 108, [Version W].                                                                                      
JAMIE BURGESS, Superintendent                                                                                                   
Nome Public Schools                                                                                                             
Nome, Alaska                                                                                                                    
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Provided  invited  testimony  on  HB  108,                                                            
[Version W].                                                                                                                    
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
8:04:24 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  HARRIET DRUMMOND  called  the House  Education  Standing                                                            
Committee  meeting   to  order  at  8:04  a.m.     Representatives                                                              
Hopkins,  Gillham,  Cronk,  Prax, Zulkosky,  Story,  and  Drummond                                                              
were present at the call to order.                                                                                              
                HB 312-ALLOW NATURAL HAIRSTYLES                                                                             
8:05:29 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND  announced that  the  first order  of  business                                                              
would be HOUSE BILL  NO. 312, "An Act relating to  dress codes and                                                              
natural hairstyles."                                                                                                            
8:05:57 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  STORY moved  to  report  HB 312  out  of committee  with                                                              
individual  recommendations  and  the accompanying  fiscal  notes.                                                              
There being  no objection,  HB 312 was  reported out of  the House                                                              
Education Standing Committee.                                                                                                   
8:06:19 AM                                                                                                                    
The committee took an at-ease from 8:06 a.m. to 8:10 a.m.                                                                       
[During the  at-ease, Co-Chair  Drummond passed  the gavel  to Co-                                                              
Chair Story.]                                                                                                                   
             HB 350-SCHOOL BOND DEBT REIMBURSEMENT                                                                          
8:10:14 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR STORY  announced that  the next  order of business  would                                                              
be  HOUSE BILL  NO. 350,  "An  Act relating  to  school bond  debt                                                              
reimbursement; and providing for an effective date."                                                                            
8:10:41 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND,  as prime  sponsor, stated  that HB  350 simply                                                              
would  open up  the process  for school  districts to  collaborate                                                              
with  the governing  bodies  within  their communities  to  create                                                              
school bonds  for presentation to  their voters.  She  added that,                                                              
according  to the Department  of Education  and Early  Development                                                              
(DEED),  the process  would  take  a couple  of  years before  the                                                              
first  set  of  bond  issues would  come  before  voters  and  the                                                              
legislature, thus  the fiscal note would be indeterminate.   There                                                              
would  not   be  a  funding   commitment  until  2024,   when  the                                                              
legislature and the  governor could agree to return  to the school                                                              
bond  debt  reimbursement  promises,  as made  and  fulfilled  for                                                              
decades.     She  urged  the   committee  to  move   the  proposed                                                              
legislation   to  the   House  Finance   Committee  where   future                                                              
implications could be discussed.                                                                                                
8:12:13 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE   PRAX   questioned   whether   Legislative   Legal                                                              
Services  has  been  consulted  on  the  issue  of  one  community                                                              
obligating  the  entire  state  to  pay  for  school  bonds.    He                                                              
expressed  the  concern that  the  state  would be  committing  to                                                              
bonds without a statewide vote.                                                                                                 
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND  responded that  the legislature is  mandated to                                                              
spend  a   certain  amount  of   funding  on  rural   schools  and                                                              
communities  that do  not  have taxing  authority.   She  asserted                                                              
that  the Alaska  State  Constitution  directs  that a  system  of                                                              
public  schools  be  maintained,   which  not  only  means  paying                                                              
teachers  and providing  students  with transportation,  but  also                                                              
maintaining school  facilities.  She argued that  communities with                                                              
taxing authority  contribute to  the operation of  schools through                                                              
the  foundation  formula and  also  contribute  when a  school  is                                                              
built,  repaired,  or remodeled.    She  directed attention  to  a                                                              
spreadsheet  from 2015,  showing that  when the  school bond  debt                                                              
moratorium was first  put in place there were  21 school districts                                                              
around  the  state that  had  bond  issues  at various  levels  of                                                              
repayment,  including  all the  urban  school districts  that  had                                                              
passed a  significant amount  of bond  issues.   She said  that in                                                              
2015 Senate Bill  64 [passed during the Twenty-Ninth  Alaska State                                                              
Legislature]  ended school  bond reimbursement  for new bond  debt                                                              
from  2016 until  2020.   In  2020  the legislature  extended  the                                                              
moratorium  to 2025.   Since 2015,  only Anchorage  and the  North                                                              
Slope Burrough have  put school bonds before their  voters, taking                                                              
on  100 percent  of the  responsibility  for paying  off the  bond                                                              
debts.  She stressed  that paying off the debt is  expensive.  She                                                              
said that  before the  moratorium the  state reimbursed  Anchorage                                                              
an average  of 65 percent  of school bond  debt.  She  offered the                                                              
comparison  that  a property  tax  before  the moratorium  of  $35                                                              
would  equal a  $100  property  tax now.    She deduced  that  the                                                              
proposed legislation  would actually be  a tax reduction  on local                                                              
property taxes.   She  expressed appreciation  for the  support of                                                              
the proposed legislation.                                                                                                       
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX stated  that  he understands  the history  of                                                              
school bond  debt in the state;  he expressed the belief  that the                                                              
problem would  be that  [a decision  to build  a new school  would                                                              
force  those who  have no  voice  in the  matter to  pay for  that                                                              
school].   He questioned  whether Legislative  Legal Services  has                                                              
been asked  for an  opinion.  He  argued that  the vote  on school                                                              
bonds should be put to the legislature.                                                                                         
8:17:03 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE HOPKINS  posed the question to  Representative Prax                                                              
on how  the proposed legislation  would not conform to  the Alaska                                                              
State Constitution, specially.                                                                                                  
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX  explained that, in  his opinion, it  would be                                                              
unfair for  certain communities to  obligate the legislature.   He                                                              
stated that  the legislature is  supposed to represent  the entire                                                              
state, but  the legislature would not  get a vote on  bond issues.                                                              
He  said, "For  four years  I've  watched bond  elections and  ...                                                              
their selling point is somebody else is going to pay for it."                                                                   
REPRESENTATIVE  HOPKINS stated  that  [school bond  reimbursement]                                                              
was in  effect for several  decades before the 2015  cancellation.                                                              
He  asserted  that  if school  bond  debt  reimbursement  was  not                                                              
legally sound,  then it  would have  been challenged decades  ago.                                                              
He voiced his strong support of HB 350.                                                                                         
8:18:31 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  CRONK expressed  the  understanding  that any  new                                                              
bonds  after  2015 would  not  be  reimbursed,  and HB  350  would                                                              
continue  only  what was  in  place  before  2015.   He  requested                                                              
clarification that  any bonds after 2015, up to  this point, would                                                              
not be reimbursed.                                                                                                              
8:19:08 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND  stated that,  prior  to  2015, the  state  was                                                              
reimbursing  school bond  debt.   She asserted  that the  proposed                                                              
legislation  would  simply  return  to  the  procedures  in  place                                                              
before 2015.   She pointed out that the indeterminate  fiscal note                                                              
for the  proposed legislation relays  that DEED does not  know how                                                              
many  municipalities  would qualify  under  the program  and  when                                                              
they may  seek voter approval  for new  school capital debt.   The                                                              
school  districts  and  municipalities  would work  with  DEED  to                                                              
determine  projects  that  would  qualify  and  to  determine  the                                                              
reimbursement  amount.   She  stated that  a  new school  building                                                              
would qualify  at a  different level  of reimbursement  than major                                                              
repairs of  school facilities.   She stated that DEED  maintains a                                                              
list of  priority capital projects  that is currently  around $200                                                              
million.   She added that every  school district in the  state has                                                              
projects which qualify  for reimbursement.  She  said that capital                                                              
funds should be  applied to those projects "because  the state may                                                              
stop reimbursing,  but the  kids don't  stop trooping  through the                                                              
schools ... and  the buildings continue to wear and  tear and need                                                              
repair."  She argued that the state is way behind on this.                                                                      
8:22:02 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR   STORY  observed   that  once   new  school  bond   debt                                                              
reimbursement  is approved,  the  Matanuska-Susitna Borough  would                                                              
have  more  new   bonds;  because  of  the  increase   in  student                                                              
enrollment,  new buildings  would be  needed.   She expressed  the                                                              
opinion that  it is the state's  responsibility to help,  and this                                                              
is a way to help.                                                                                                               
8:22:50 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  HOPKINS moved to  report HB  350 out of  committee                                                              
with  individual  recommendations   and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                              
notes.  There being  no objection, HB 350 was reported  out of the                                                              
House Education Standing Committee.                                                                                             
8:23:09 AM                                                                                                                    
The committee took an at-ease from 8:23 a.m. to 8:31 a.m.                                                                       
[During the at-ease,  Co-Chair Story passed the  gavel to Co-Chair                                                              
           HB 108-CONCURRENT SECONDARY & TRADE SCHOOL                                                                       
8:31:36 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND  announced that  the  final order  of  business                                                              
would  be HOUSE  BILL  NO. 108,  "An  Act relating  to  concurrent                                                              
vocational  education, training,  and on-the-job trade  experience                                                              
programs  for  students  enrolled  in  public  secondary  schools;                                                              
relating to child labor; and providing for an effective date."                                                                  
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND announced  that [Amendment  1] was adopted  [on                                                              
3/4/22].   She stated that the  Department of Education  and Early                                                              
Development  (DEED)  generated  a  new  fiscal  note  in  advance,                                                              
confirming there  would be no change  to the zero fiscal  note for                                                              
the  Department  of  Public  Safety   (DPS).    She  notified  the                                                              
committee  that the fiscal  note and  the accompanying  memorandum                                                              
from  DPS were  provided  in the  committee  packet.   She  stated                                                              
that,  although  there  has  been   no  updated  information,  the                                                              
amendment  would unlikely  change  the previous  zero fiscal  note                                                              
for  Department of  Labor  and Workforce  Development.   She  said                                                              
that  the  proposed  committee  substitute  is  accompanied  by  a                                                              
memorandum  from Legislative  Legal  Services, of  which the  bill                                                              
sponsor is  prepared to address.   She stated that  the memorandum                                                              
and the  draft of the  committee substitute  are also  included in                                                              
the committee packet.                                                                                                           
8:33:02 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR STORY  moved to adopt  the proposed committee  substitute                                                              
(CS) for  HB 108, Version  36-LS0345\W, Klein/Marx, 3/17/22,  as a                                                              
working  document.    There  being no  objection,  Version  W  was                                                              
before the committee.                                                                                                           
8:34:12 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCARTY,   Alaska  State  Legislature,   as  prime                                                              
sponsor,  answered  questions  on  the  proposed CS  for  HB  108,                                                              
Version W.   He directed the  committee to the last  two sentences                                                              
in   the  memorandum   from   Legislative   Legal  Services   that                                                              
questioned whether  DEED would  continue to establish  eligibility                                                              
standards  for agencies  that  contracted  with school  districts.                                                              
He  stated that  in Version  W school  districts  would have  more                                                              
authority  in  contracting  and monitoring  career  and  technical                                                              
education (CTE)  programs, while  DEED would maintain  eligibility                                                              
standards  by requiring  agencies  to  have type  M  Certificates,                                                              
pass  background  checks,  and  continue  standards  of  education                                                              
which  already  exist.    He stated  the  school  districts  would                                                              
manage  the remainder  of  the CTE  programs,  as  written in  the                                                              
8:36:26 AM                                                                                                                    
The committee took a brief at-ease at 8:36 a.m.                                                                                 
8:36:49 AM                                                                                                                    
DEBORAH  RIDDLE,  Division  Operations   Manager,  Innovation  and                                                              
Education   Excellence,   Department   of  Education   and   Early                                                              
Development,  responded to  the  question in  the memorandum  from                                                              
Legislative  Legal Services  on  HB 108,  Version W.   She  stated                                                              
that DEED  would continue  to establish  eligibility standards  as                                                              
set out in the legislation.                                                                                                     
8:37:44 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR STORY  reviewed that, in  accordance with Version  W, the                                                              
school  districts  would  have the  responsibility  to  coordinate                                                              
with  industry  partners  so  the  DEED's  [education  specialist]                                                              
position and  the $100,000  in funding would  be removed  from the                                                              
fiscal note.   She expressed interest in [what  would happen with]                                                              
the  $1,000 per  student, represented  by $260,000  in the  fiscal                                                              
note.   She  questioned whether  a  [new] fiscal  note would  give                                                              
this funding  to districts, as they  would be charged  with making                                                              
contracts with  providers.  She  then pointed out Version  W would                                                              
give school  districts the  responsibility  to create and  monitor                                                              
individual   learning   plans   (ILPs).      She   expressed   the                                                              
understanding that  this effort  would be a collaboration  between                                                              
parents  and school  counselors.   She questioned  the process  of                                                              
creating ILPs.                                                                                                                  
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCARTY  deferred  Co-Chair Story's  questions  to                                                              
Jim Anderson and Jamie Burgess.                                                                                                 
8:41:21 AM                                                                                                                    
JIM  ANDERSON, Chief  Finance  Office, Anchorage  School  District                                                              
(ASD),  responded that  he did  not  have an  answer for  Co-Chair                                                              
Story's  question  concerning  the   $1,000  per  student  on  the                                                              
original fiscal note.   Addressing CTE programs in  ASD, he stated                                                              
that, before  the COVID-19 pandemic,  the programs  were stronger.                                                              
He  added  that  ASD  had  partnerships  with  over  93  different                                                              
businesses and  programs covering 21  distinct career fields.   He                                                              
stated that  ASD is  rebuilding and  strengthening pathways  again                                                              
for  students, as  [industry partners]  are looking  for a  future                                                              
workforce.  He  expressed the belief that many  businesses realize                                                              
there  will be a  competition for  skilled employees.   He  stated                                                              
that  there  has  been  little   cost  to  the  district  for  the                                                              
partnerships  to be arranged.   He allowed  that the  district may                                                              
have to pay to transport students to [CTE locations].                                                                           
MR.  ANDERSON stated,  [per Version  W], ASD  would contract  with                                                              
CTE  providers  through  a  memorandum  of  agreement  (MOA).   He                                                              
explained  that if  there are  several businesses  which have  the                                                              
same skill needs,  ASD would not be obligated to  make an MOA with                                                              
every business.   He  continued that  some businesses  may require                                                              
ASD to  pay a sum  of money, while  other programs would  be free.                                                              
He  stated that  the MOA  would be  made with  the business  which                                                              
offers the best  value for the district and for the  students.  He                                                              
outlined  that  if a  program  has  a guaranteed  entry  into  the                                                              
workforce,  but costs  money, this  program may  provide the  best                                                              
value  and opportunity  for students.   He  expressed the  opinion                                                              
that  there  are   not  enough  students  in  the   area  to  meet                                                              
Anchorage's  skilled-labor  needs.     He  said  that,  from  past                                                              
experience,  the district  has not  had to pay  for contracts,  as                                                              
there  are  many  businesses  in   the  area  looking  for  future                                                              
employees.  He  said there are career fields  such as bio-medical,                                                              
telecommunications,   carpentry,    horticulture,   vet-assistant,                                                              
welding,  art design,  and more.   He suggested  that, because  of                                                              
its size  and scope,  ASD would  provide more [CTE]  opportunities                                                              
than other  districts.  He maintained  that the cost has  not been                                                              
a focus  for ASD in the  past.  He  stated that the  vast majority                                                              
of  high  school  students  do   not  graduate  college,  and  the                                                              
district's  focus has been  on career,  life-ready preparation  so                                                              
students  can  enter  the  workforce.    He  indicated  that  this                                                              
approach has been very successful.                                                                                              
MR. ANDERSON,  in response to  a follow-up question  from Co-Chair                                                              
Story, stated that  ASD already has programs in  place, and course                                                              
credit cannot  be given without an  ILP.  He stated  that, because                                                              
he is not an  educator, he does not know the  details of the ILPs,                                                              
and can only offer  what he has been told: in  order to get course                                                              
credit for hours spent in CTE, an ILP would be required.                                                                        
8:46:14 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND stated  that  the Alaska  Vocational  Education                                                              
Center (AVTEC) in  Seward offers postsecondary education,  but the                                                              
program  does not  produce enough  students  to fill  all the  job                                                              
requests.   She indicated that  this speaks  to the job  market in                                                              
Anchorage.    She  observed  that  ASD is  prepared  to  meet  the                                                              
8:46:47 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  STORY  stated that  the  legislation reads  that  school                                                              
districts  "shall"  negotiate  contracts  with  businesses.    She                                                              
offered  the  understanding  from  Mr.  Anderson's  comments  that                                                              
school  districts would  not be  required to  contract with  every                                                              
business which may have interest.                                                                                               
MR.  ANDERSON  replied  that  this is  his  understanding  of  the                                                              
legislation, as  it would be  unrealistic for every  business that                                                              
approaches  the district  to have  a contract  and receive  $1,000                                                              
per  student.    He  expressed   the  belief  that  districts  are                                                              
required to develop  MOAs in accordance with students'  needs.  He                                                              
stated  that he  does not  read  the bill  as a  mandate to  allow                                                              
businesses  to demand  money from  school districts.   He  offered                                                              
that,  whether it  is Volunteers  of  America or  a business,  ASD                                                              
would  negotiate  an  MOA.    He   speculated  that  some  of  the                                                              
businesses in  Anchorage would not  want to meet  the requirements                                                              
to  provide   fingerprints,  background   checks,  and   industry-                                                              
standard trainers.   He  stated ASD would  focus on  student needs                                                              
and find the best value.  He deferred to the bill sponsor.                                                                      
CO-CHAIR  STORY referenced  page  7, line  23 of  [Version W]  and                                                              
questioned in  what circumstance a  district would pay  tuition in                                                              
a contracted CTE program.                                                                                                       
MR. ANDERSON  responded that there  could be a unique  CTE program                                                              
with only one business  available.  In this case  there could be a                                                              
cost,  but [Version  W]  does not  create a  mandate  to meet  the                                                              
desires of businesses.   He stated that the process  would require                                                              
a  joint  negotiation.    He explained  that  all  over  Anchorage                                                              
businesses are  having problems  filling positions,  as businesses                                                              
everywhere are looking  for a future workforce  and these students                                                              
would already  be ready to  work, so this  would be  an investment                                                              
in  the  future.   He  stated  that, just  like  all  contracting,                                                              
entities  look for  a win-win  situation, and  ASD would  approach                                                              
the MOAs with CTE providers this way.                                                                                           
CO-CHAIR  STORY  offered  her  support   of  the  legislation  but                                                              
expressed concern  that not  all districts  have counselors.   She                                                              
voiced that  she would  like assurance  that districts  would have                                                              
resources   needed   for   the   programs,   and   the   [proposed                                                              
legislation] would not result in an unfunded mandate.                                                                           
8:52:14 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND  stated  that  ASD  has  already  developed  21                                                              
different   career   fields.     She   questioned   whether   this                                                              
development  has   been  through  the  Martin  Luther   King,  Jr.                                                              
Technical  High  School ("King  Tech")  and  CTE programs  in  the                                                              
other high schools.                                                                                                             
MR. ANDERSON  answered  in affirmation.   He  stated ASD has  been                                                              
working  with industry  partnerships  for quite  a  few years  and                                                              
Missy  Fraze is  the "CTE-expert  guru"  leading the  effort.   He                                                              
stated  it would  take time  to create  MOAs that  conform to  the                                                              
proposed  legislation's requirements,  but it  would be worth  the                                                              
effort to  have students able  to get jobs.   He pointed  out that                                                              
Dr. [Deena]  Bishop did a  nationwide study indicating  90 percent                                                              
of  all the  students  who did  not  graduate  high school  remain                                                              
within 10  miles of where  they lived.   He expressed  the opinion                                                              
that  either   students  [in  Alaska]   are  promoted   to  become                                                              
successful members  of society,  or "we're going  to deal  with it                                                              
for a long  time."  He expressed  the opinion that more  than just                                                              
English  and math  need  to  be [taught]  in  order  to build  the                                                              
future.    He  observed that  students  in  CTE  programs  finally                                                              
understand  the importance  of math and  other required  subjects,                                                              
and  all  these  subjects  help   make  the  education  experience                                                              
8:54:39 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX offered  the understanding  that [Version  W]                                                              
enables  school districts  to  establish  contracts, but  specific                                                              
contracts  are not  required,  and the  school  districts are  not                                                              
required to pay contractors.                                                                                                    
MR.  ANDERSON answered  in  agreement.   He  indicated that,  even                                                              
though  ASD  has not  done  the  types  of  MOAs required  by  the                                                              
legislation, the  district would be  willing.  When  ASD developed                                                              
partnerships in  the past, as with  any good business  officer, it                                                              
looked  for  the  best  value.     He  expressed  the  belief  the                                                              
legislation  does not  impose districts  to  be at  the demand  of                                                              
industries.   Instead,  the  district would  be  the initiator  of                                                              
partnerships.   He  said, "When  you are the  initiator, you  have                                                              
the high  road."  In response  to a follow-up question,  he stated                                                              
that currently  ASD  is not paying  any fees  to CTE  contractors.                                                              
He stated that  there have been some minor fees  for certification                                                              
tests and  exams in  the past, which  the district  has paid.   He                                                              
suggested that if  a student wanted to develop a  skillset and the                                                              
provider  asked  the  district   to  pay  the  $250  fee  for  the                                                              
certification test, the district would do that.                                                                                 
MR. ANDERSON,  in response  to a  follow-up question,  stated that                                                              
the  fee  would come  out  of  the district's  general  fund,  but                                                              
hypothetically,  it  could also  come  from  the Carl  D.  Perkins                                                              
Career and Technical  Education Improvement Act of  2006 ("Perkins                                                              
IV").   He  continued that  grants  do not  really provide  enough                                                              
funding and  the foundation  formula has  its own challenges  with                                                              
CTE.  He argued  that, per the $250 certification  fee, during the                                                              
time  industry partners  would be  providing  services, ASD  would                                                              
not  be  paying  for  the  student's   supervision,  training,  or                                                              
material costs.   These costs would not be absorbed  by the school                                                              
while  a  student  is job  shadowing  or  involved  in  on-the-job                                                              
training.   He  stated that  ASD has  intentionally not  partnered                                                              
with  providers who  would charge  an exorbitant  fee because  the                                                              
district can find  partnerships without costs.   He suggested that                                                              
if a  student and  his/her family  is struggling financially,  the                                                              
district would  help with transportation,  as the  Municipality of                                                              
Anchorage  would provide  free busing.   He stated  that when  the                                                              
Municipality  of  Anchorage  gives  a  discounted  rate  and  high                                                              
school students  learn public transportation  is a  viable option,                                                              
a future ridership  would be built.  He stated that  this would be                                                              
a  win-win  partnership   with  not  much  monetary   outlay,  and                                                              
students  who  have  gone  through  CTE  programs  become  viable,                                                              
employable adults.   He continued that he would  not be testifying                                                              
[in  favor of  the legislation]  if  there was  concern about  the                                                              
9:01:08 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND   questioned   whether  students  working   and                                                              
learning   in  local  Anchorage   businesses   are  paid   by  the                                                              
businesses or whether this would be free labor.                                                                                 
MR.  ANDERSON responded  that he  does  not know  if students  are                                                              
paid while they  are receiving course credit.  He  added that [CTE                                                              
programs] would open  up opportunities for summer  jobs where they                                                              
would receive pay.   He stated he would confer with  Ms. Fraze and                                                              
send her  answer to  the committee  and bill  sponsor.   He stated                                                              
there had  been a discussion  some time ago,  of which he  had the                                                              
understanding that no pay would go through the district.                                                                        
9:03:04 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  ANDERSON responded  to Representative  Hopkins that,  whether                                                              
the bill passes  or not, ASD would still utilize  MOAs, as defined                                                              
in the legislation,  and reach toward this process as  a goal.  He                                                              
stated  that  ASD  agrees  with  what the  bill  proposes,  as  it                                                              
further   strengthens  the   legitimacy   of  training   programs.                                                              
Knowing  most of  the  students  [in the  state]  do not  graduate                                                              
college, he said  training programs and career  readiness are good                                                              
for students, and  ASD would move forward whether  the bill passes                                                              
or not.  In  response to a follow-up question, he  stated that the                                                              
district is  not paying  any private  employers who are  currently                                                              
contracted to provide CTE.                                                                                                      
MR. ANDERSON,  in response to  a follow-up question,  stated that,                                                              
up to  this point,  the agreements  made with  the providers  have                                                              
not required  the instructors  to be  credentialed.  He  suggested                                                              
that [if  the legislation  passes] it  would be  a new  start, but                                                              
this  would  not  mean  an  immediate  obligation  to  have  fully                                                              
worked-out MOAs  with credentialed partners.   He stated  that ASD                                                              
would probably  still have  job shadowing, and  if a  student goes                                                              
into a field  with no confirmed standard, the  student would still                                                              
be  allowed to  participate.   He  maintained  that, most  likely,                                                              
there  would be  a  combination of  job  shadowing and  on-the-job                                                              
training  with business  partners  who are  credentialed and  with                                                              
those  who  are not.    He  insisted that  the  opportunities  for                                                              
students  would  not be  limited,  even  if an  industry  standard                                                              
could  not be  confirmed, as  in something  like art  design.   He                                                              
stated  that for some  programs  new partnerships  may have  to be                                                              
developed,  but either  way, ASD's  path would  be a  career-ready                                                              
approach.   He  stated that,  as for  the prediction  on how  many                                                              
partners  would  not be  able  to meet  the  need,  this would  be                                                              
unknown until the path is taken.                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON, in  response to a follow-up question,  expressed the                                                              
expectation   that  Matanuska-Susitna   Borough  School   District                                                              
(MSBSD) is  providing the  same effort  and programs  as ASD.   He                                                              
stated   that  MSBSD   has  been   providing   medication-assisted                                                              
treatment (MAT)  training, and ASD  has bussed students  there for                                                              
MAT  training.   He  stated  that MSBSD  has  reached  out to  ASD                                                              
looking for future  MAT operators, with no charge  to the district                                                              
other than transportation to the training site.                                                                                 
9:09:37 AM                                                                                                                    
JAMIE  BURGESS,   Superintendent,   Nome  Public  Schools   (NPS),                                                              
provided invited  testimony on  HB 108, [Version  W].  To  begin a                                                              
general discussion  of ILPs,  she stated  that these plans  ensure                                                              
students  are meeting  requirements  for graduation.   She  stated                                                              
when  a student  spends  time outside  the  classroom  [in CTE  or                                                              
other  learning programs]  an ILP  would be  set up  to make  sure                                                              
elective  hours are  fulfilled.   The  ILP also  would ensure  the                                                              
student is  meeting all the  academic graduation  requirements and                                                              
taking  state assessments.   If  the  student is  in an  industry-                                                              
certification   plan,  the   ILP  would   help  make  sure   those                                                              
assessments are  taken at the appropriate  time.  She  stated that                                                              
some  rural   districts  do  not   have  counselors.     In  these                                                              
situations, a registrar,  itinerate counselor, or  principal would                                                              
have the  responsibility  of putting together  the learning  plan.                                                              
She asserted  that someone  would monitor  a student's  credits to                                                              
make  sure  graduation  requirements   are  met  and  classes  are                                                              
entered appropriately  into the  student information system.   She                                                              
said that  ILPs look different depending  on the district  and the                                                              
availability of  a counselor.   She expressed confidence  that the                                                              
process  does not  have  to be  complicated.   She  stated that  a                                                              
student in  a nontraditional  program would  be monitored  to make                                                              
sure the appropriate  graduation requirements are  met, on-the-job                                                              
learning experiences  are recorded  as electives, and  transcripts                                                              
reflect graduation requirements.                                                                                                
MS.  BURGESS  stated   that  rural  districts   are  significantly                                                              
different from Anchorage.   She related that there  is not a large                                                              
list of employers  who provide CTE  training in Nome, but  the CTE                                                              
partners that  are in Nome are very  active.  She stated  that for                                                              
the  proposed legislation,  agreements  between  NPS  and the  CTE                                                              
providers would  become formalized, especially with  the Northwest                                                              
Arctic   Career   and   Technical    Education   Center   (NACTEC)                                                              
partnerships.    She emphasized  that  NPS  would work  to  retain                                                              
[industry-certified  instructors]  for  the  students as  soon  as                                                              
MS.  BURGESS stated  that  NPS's  budget has  funds  set aside  to                                                              
cover  the  tuition  for  dual  enrollment  programs  for  college                                                              
credits.   She maintained  the opinion  that CTE programs  working                                                              
toward  student  certification  are  equal to  programs  for  dual                                                              
college  credits.     She  stated  dual  enrollment   funds  could                                                              
potentially  be used towards  certification  exams or other  small                                                              
costs associated  with CTE program  participation.   She expressed                                                              
the  belief  that  these  programs are  equal  and  [these  funds]                                                              
should  be balanced  between the  students.   She stated that  NPS                                                              
has  on-the-job   training  programs   where,  depending   on  the                                                              
employer,  students could  possibly be paid  while receiving  high                                                              
school  credit.    These opportunities  work  well  for  high-risk                                                              
students.   She described  that  some students  are in a  position                                                              
where, if  they are  not able  to work  to actively support  their                                                              
family, they  would drop out of  school.  She said that,  in these                                                              
situations,  the district  provides  structure  so students  would                                                              
not be  getting class credit  "just for  having a job,"  but their                                                              
hours would  be monitored.   These students  would be  required to                                                              
maintain  workplace standards  and keep weekly  journals  on their                                                              
learning  experiences.     She  stated  that  she   would  provide                                                              
support, in whatever  way, to encourage students  to learn skilled                                                              
trades.   She expressed  the belief  that rural communities  would                                                              
benefit the most  from the proposed legislation.   She stated that                                                              
[Nome]  sorely lacks  skilled tradesmen,  as they  are brought  in                                                              
from  Anchorage,   Fairbanks,  and  the  Lower  48   to  meet  the                                                              
community's project  needs.  She  provided that NPS would  be very                                                              
supportive of anything that bolsters these programs.                                                                            
9:18:57 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  BURGESS,  in  response  to  Co-Chair  Drummond,  stated  that                                                              
NACTEC  is  a  joint venture  between  the  Bering  Strait  School                                                              
District (BSSD)  and NPS.  She  stated that the  Nome-Beltz Middle                                                              
High School  was built in  the 1960s and  was originally  a Bureau                                                              
of Indian  Affairs boarding  school for  Alaska Native  youth ages                                                              
16  through  24.    She  provided  the  opinion  that  the  school                                                              
probably  has one of  the largest,  well-equipped shop  facilities                                                              
in  Alaska.    She  indicated  that   there  is  a  welding  shop,                                                              
construction  shop,  and  automotive  shop.    There  is  also  an                                                              
office, classrooms,  and residential  housing next to  the school.                                                              
She stated  that NACTEC  offers CTE classes  to NPS  students, but                                                              
NPS also  has a  fulltime CTE  instructor for  metal and  woodshop                                                              
classes.   Students  from the BSSD  are brought  in for  intensive                                                              
residential  programs during  the  school year  and  summer.   She                                                              
stated  that both  NPS and  BSSD  fund NACTEC  from their  general                                                              
funds  and   Perkins  IV.    She   stated  that  there   are  also                                                              
residential  funds and large  grants which  focus on  engineering,                                                              
aviation,  health  care, and  other  trades.   She  described  the                                                              
program as  very busy and  complex.  She  stated all  students are                                                              
expected  to keep up  with regular  classes,  and in the  evenings                                                              
work  on their  assignments.   She  described NACTEC  as a  unique                                                              
9:23:40 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  STORY expressed  the  understanding  from Ms.  Burgess's                                                              
testimony that  ILPs already exist  in NPS, and anything  new from                                                              
the  proposed legislation  would  be incorporated  in the  current                                                              
process.    She   expressed  the  understanding   that  graduation                                                              
requirements  would be  reviewed  by an  advisor  and the  parent.                                                              
She  questioned   whether  a   parent's  participation   would  be                                                              
required, per the legislation.                                                                                                  
MS. BURGESS  stated that, according  to her interpretation  of the                                                              
proposed legislation,  students doing  CTE courses, whether  in or                                                              
outside of  the school  setting, would be  monitored to  make sure                                                              
academic classes  needed for graduation  are completed.   Students                                                              
would  be monitored  on state  assessments  and the  certification                                                              
assessments,  if  required.    Monitoring   would  be  annual,  so                                                              
students are  not off track.   She expressed  the belief  that, in                                                              
most cases, a system  is already in place, but  an agreement would                                                              
need  to  be made  ahead  of  time  for how  hours  of  concurrent                                                              
education classes  would equate to  elective credits.   This would                                                              
make sure there are no surprises close to graduation time.                                                                      
CO-CHAIR STORY recalled  that, in a previous letter  of support to                                                              
the committee,  Ms. Burgess  cautioned that  resources may  not be                                                              
available  to deliver  all the  requirements  of the  legislation.                                                              
She questioned whether this was still true.                                                                                     
MS. BURGESS  stated that  for many  rural districts the  challenge                                                              
would  be obtaining  certified instructors;  however, many  school                                                              
districts have  partnerships already, either within  the district,                                                              
with a  larger district, or  with a district  on the  road system.                                                              
She stated that  it has been discussed to possibly  have DEED help                                                              
facilitate   partnerships.     She  posited   that  the   greatest                                                              
challenge  would be  for the smaller  districts  that do not  have                                                              
resources.   However, smaller  districts tend  to be ingenious  at                                                              
collaborating  with each other  to deliver CTE.   She  stated that                                                              
to fulfill  the requirements  in the  legislation districts  would                                                              
probably build  on existing partnerships  and programs  already in                                                              
9:29:06 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. BURGESS, in  response to Representative Prax,  stated that her                                                              
understanding  of [Version W]  is, if  school districts  can, they                                                              
would try  to make  CTE available.   She  stated that an  industry                                                              
instructor  would  have  to  be  available  with  the  appropriate                                                              
certification,  but districts  may be  able to  partner to  create                                                              
programs.   She noted  that this  is how BSSD  and NPS  made their                                                              
programs  possible;   otherwise,  it  would  be   a  challenge  to                                                              
individually build  robust CTE programs which  would significantly                                                              
benefit  students in  both  districts.   She  indicated that  most                                                              
instructors  in  the NPS  and  BSSD partnership  possess  industry                                                              
certifications.    If  [the instructors  are  not  certified]  NPS                                                              
would help them move towards those certifications.                                                                              
MS.  BURGESS  offered  her  interpretation  that  the  legislation                                                              
directs districts  to work  towards providing  CTE, whenever  they                                                              
can,  but  in  some  cases  if  [certified  instructors]  are  not                                                              
present,  or there  are  no local  organizations  willing to  work                                                              
with students,  then districts should  continue to look  and build                                                              
towards providing a  program.  She posited that in  Nome there may                                                              
be small businesses  interested in working with  the district, but                                                              
they might not  hold the industry certification.   She stated that                                                              
NPS would work with  the entity that meets the  requirements.  She                                                              
asserted that  NPS would  continue to  actively work to  formalize                                                              
MOAs with  entities that  meet the requirements  set forth  in the                                                              
bill.  If  they do not meet  the requirements, the  district would                                                              
be creative and look outside the district.                                                                                      
9:32:42 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE HOPKINS  reviewed that NPS already  has programs in                                                              
place  for on-the-job  training.   He questioned  whether NPS  has                                                              
ever  encountered  an  instructor  who  would not  work  with  the                                                              
district unless he/she receives compensation.                                                                                   
MS. BURGESS  responded that  this has not  been an issue,  as most                                                              
industry  partners  have not  asked  for money.    She stated  NPS                                                              
mostly  reaches  out  to industry  partners,  and  the  discussion                                                              
usually  is about  whether internships  would be  paid or  unpaid.                                                              
In  some cases,  NPS has  partnered with  organizations that  have                                                              
provided   pay  to  the   students,  similar   to  a   three-party                                                              
agreement.  She  reiterated there has not been an  entity that has                                                              
requested pay in  order for the student to be in  its program.  In                                                              
response to  a follow-up  question, she  stated that the  proposed                                                              
legislation  would request  districts  to  run background  checks.                                                              
The    legislation   also    requests    that   districts    would                                                              
preferentially  work with  entities that  have industry  standards                                                              
and   help    students   work    toward   receiving    their   own                                                              
9:35:15 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR STORY noted  that on page 7, line 7 of  [Version W] it is                                                              
indicated  students would  not receive compensation  from  DEED or                                                              
the district for  program participation.  She added  this does not                                                              
mean students could not be compensated from the industry.                                                                       
9:35:50 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR   STORY,   concerning   the  districts   creating   ILPs,                                                              
questioned  Ms. Riddle  whether DEED  expects to  review the  ILPs                                                              
and whether the plans would be flexible.                                                                                        
MS.  RIDDLE  responded   that  ILPs  are  a  process   created  by                                                              
districts to  follow a student's  progress within a program.   She                                                              
said the process  would not be reported  to DEED.  In  response to                                                              
a follow-up  question,  she stated  that, in  the original  fiscal                                                              
note, the $1,000  was an arbitrary amount used as  an incentive to                                                              
promote [CTE  providers] to work  with DEED and the  districts and                                                              
help defer  tuition costs.   She  acknowledged that the  districts                                                              
are better suited  to find industry partners in their  areas.  She                                                              
reiterated that  most of the time  there would be no  tuition cost                                                              
associated  with  the  student.    She  stated  that  when  DEED's                                                              
responsibility  for contracting  was  removed from  the bill,  all                                                              
the pieces associated  were removed.  She stated  that [Version W]                                                              
is more aligned with what districts are currently doing.                                                                        
CO-CHAIR  STORY  commented  that   many  districts  may  not  have                                                              
counselors.   She  expressed hope  the  legislature would  provide                                                              
more  resources  for  districts  to  expand  CTE  programs.    She                                                              
speculated that  when districts are asked to  [implement programs]                                                              
without  an increase  in funding,  [the  programs] may  go to  the                                                              
wayside.    She  expressed  hope   the  committee  would  consider                                                              
putting  an  increment  into the  foundation  formula  that  would                                                              
point to  students in CTE  programs.  She  conceded that  money is                                                              
limited, and  Perkins IV  has not been  increased.   She suggested                                                              
that resources  would need to  be increased strategically  to make                                                              
sure the  programs  develop and  flourish.  She  stated that,  for                                                              
the record,  it is  her understanding  the school districts  would                                                              
need to  provide the  resources to enter  into contracts  with CTE                                                              
providers  and pay  for the programs,  and that  the CTE  programs                                                              
are not  mandated.   Even though the  language in the  legislation                                                              
states districts  "shall" pay for  the programs,  she acknowledged                                                              
that  testimony   pointed  out   CTE  providers  are   not  asking                                                              
districts  to  pay.   She  suggested  Legislative  Legal  Services                                                              
offer an  opinion on  whether districts  are obligated  to provide                                                              
the programs  and pay  for them.   She  argued that the  districts                                                              
would need  funding.   She offered her  support for  the intention                                                              
of [Version  W] but would  like to know  that the districts  would                                                              
have the resources.                                                                                                             
9:43:17 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  GILLHAM commented that  if the Alaska  Performance                                                              
Scholarship  (APS) is  reinstated it  could be  made available  to                                                              
ninth graders and alleviate the financial concerns.                                                                             
9:44:03 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND  stated  that  both  the  APS  and  the  Alaska                                                              
Education   Grants  were   funded   from   the  Higher   Education                                                              
Investment  Fund,   but  this  fund   has  been  swept   into  the                                                              
constitutional budget  reserve and can no longer  produce revenue.                                                              
She  stated  that   this  fund  was  slated  for   recipients  for                                                              
postsecondary  education, not high  school.   She added  there are                                                              
many   interwoven  bills   before   the  committee   and   thanked                                                              
Representative Gillam  because the issue is important.   While the                                                              
Alaska Education  Grants could  be applied  to trade schools,  she                                                              
expressed   uncertainty  about   the   APS.     She  stated   that                                                              
Representative  Story  introduced   a  bill  [HB  48]  that  would                                                              
include CTE  in high school  graduation credits and  could overlap                                                              
with [Version W].                                                                                                               
9:45:07 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR STORY  stated that [HB 48]  proposes a change  in the APS                                                              
that  would  allow   credits  earned  in  CTE   to  count  towards                                                              
qualification  for the  scholarship.   She  stated that  currently                                                              
the scholarship  is not available to  students who take  a year in                                                              
an internship.   She stated  that CTE would  count as part  of the                                                              
curriculum if the APS were expanded.                                                                                            
9:45:55 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE GILLHAM  expressed the  belief that the  APS should                                                              
begin in the  freshman year of high school, because  many students                                                              
do not go  to college.  If  these students could spend  four years                                                              
in  high school  working  towards a  technical  career, then  they                                                              
would be  ready to  go to work  once they  graduate.   He asserted                                                              
that the students  would not have to wait until  their senior year                                                              
to apply  for a  grant or  a scholarship  and then  spend time  in                                                              
college.  He  stated that the entire country  lacks employees, and                                                              
students  coming out  of high school  could be  prepared to  enter                                                              
the workforce.   He  expressed the  opinion that  there are  high-                                                              
paying jobs and students could be prepared.                                                                                     
CO-CHAIR  STORY suggested  that students  would have  to begin  in                                                              
the ninth  grade to  satisfy the APS's  rigorous curriculum.   She                                                              
stated  that if  students began  in  the ninth  grade, this  would                                                              
allow   them   to   use  scholarships   for   CTE   and   industry                                                              
9:47:32 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE HOPKINS  referenced that  both ASD and  NPS already                                                              
have CTE programs  in place.  He expressed the  understanding from                                                              
testimony that employers  are currently not receiving  pay for CTE                                                              
programs.   He pointed out  that page 7,  line 15 and line  21, of                                                              
[Version W]  conveyed that the  districts "shall" pay  the tuition                                                              
for enrolled students.   He questioned Ms. Riddle on  how this may                                                              
limit the ability  for districts to continue the  programs already                                                              
in  place if  employers are  not  currently paid.   He  questioned                                                              
whether contracts  would need  to be  renegotiated.  He  expressed                                                              
concern  that  the   program  may  be  limited   because  of  this                                                              
MS. RIDDLE voiced  the understanding that the  legislation implies                                                              
"if" there  would be a tuition,  and currently there is  not.  She                                                              
deferred the question to the bill sponsor.                                                                                      
REPRESENTATIVE HOPKINS,  in a follow-up  question, pointed  to the                                                              
language  in  the proposed  legislation  that  conveyed  districts                                                              
"shall"   negotiate   with  industry-standard   providers.      He                                                              
questioned  whether  this language  would  limit  what a  district                                                              
could supply to  a student.  He provided the example  of a student                                                              
who  would like  to  study  museum design,  but  there  is not  an                                                              
industry  standard  for this  program  of  study.   He  questioned                                                              
whether this  would limit the ability  of that student  to work in                                                              
an art  gallery to  understand this career.   He inquired  whether                                                              
the  district  could  provide  a  contract  if  there  is  not  an                                                              
industry standard.                                                                                                              
MS.  RIDDLE stated  that  there  are multiply  ways  for a  career                                                              
pathway,  and there  are many  ways  to get  to the  certification                                                              
within ILPs.   She deferred to the  bill sponsor on the  intent of                                                              
the language.                                                                                                                   
9:50:40 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX  commented that  he  is not  concerned  about                                                              
funding for  the programs, as businesses  would realize this  is a                                                              
win-win   relationship.     He   offered  his   support  for   the                                                              
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND  stated  that the  proposed  legislation  would                                                              
next go to  the House Labor  and Commerce Committee and  then from                                                              
there to the  House Finance Committee.  She recommended  moving HB
108, Version W to next committee of referral.                                                                                   
9:55:15 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR STORY asked  if the bill sponsor intended  for ILPs to be                                                              
flexible or had different expectations.                                                                                         
9:56:01 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCARTY responded that  the districts  should have                                                              
the responsibility  to create  the ILPs for  CTE training  as they                                                              
have  done  for  concurrent  college   enrollment  programs.    He                                                              
offered the opinion  that school districts know  best.  Responding                                                              
to a follow-up  question, he stated  that the intention  would not                                                              
be to  put school districts  in a bind  and for the  industries to                                                              
[abuse school district funding].                                                                                                
9:57:12 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  STORY  moved  to report  HB  108,  Version  32-LS0345\W,                                                              
Klein/Marx,   3/17/22,   out   of    committee   with   individual                                                              
recommendations and the accompanying fiscal notes.                                                                              
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND objected,  then removed  her objection.   There                                                              
being  no further  objection, CSHB  108(EDC) was  reported out  of                                                              
the House Education Standing Committee.                                                                                         
9:58:02 AM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further business  before the committee,  the House                                                              
Education Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 9:58 a.m.                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Draft CS for HB 108 versionW.pdf HEDC 3/23/2022 8:00:00 AM
HB 108
HB 108 Version W Legal Services memo.22-150mjt.pdf HEDC 3/23/2022 8:00:00 AM
HB 108
FN HB108CS(EDC)-EED-SSA-3-17-22.pdf HEDC 3/23/2022 8:00:00 AM
HL&C 4/4/2022 3:15:00 PM
HB 108