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Moved HB 24 Out of Committee
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 5, 2019                                                                                          
                           8:01 a.m.                                                                                            
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
Representative Harriet Drummond, Co-Chair                                                                                       
Representative Andi Story, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Representative Grier Hopkins                                                                                                    
Representative Chris Tuck                                                                                                       
Representative Tiffany Zulkosky                                                                                                 
Representative Josh Revak                                                                                                       
Representative DeLena Johnson                                                                                                   
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
HOUSE BILL NO. 24                                                                                                               
"An Act relating to instruction in a language other than                                                                        
English; and relating to limited teacher certificates."                                                                         
     - MOVED HB 24 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                             
HOUSE BILL NO. 67                                                                                                               
"An Act relating to the duties of the Department of Labor and                                                                   
Workforce Development; and providing for an effective date."                                                                    
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
BILL: HB  24                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: LIMITED TEACHER CERTIFICATES; LANGUAGES                                                                            
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) KREISS-TOMKINS                                                                                    
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BILL: HB  67                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: DEPT. OF LABOR: TECHNICAL ED. PROGRAMS                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
TAMIKA LEDBETTER, Ph.D., Commissioner Designee                                                                                  
Department of Labor & Workforce Development (DLWD)                                                                              
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented HB 67, sponsored by House Rules                                                                
by the request of the governor.                                                                                                 
LOUISE DEAN                                                                                                                     
Executive Director                                                                                                              
Alaska Workforce Investment Board (AWIB)                                                                                        
Department of Labor & Workforce Development (DLWD)                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions pertaining to HB 67.                                                                  
DEBORAH RIDDLE, Division Operations Manager                                                                                     
Student Learning Division                                                                                                       
Department of Education & Early Development (DEED)                                                                              
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions during the hearing on HB
PAUL LAYER, Vice President                                                                                                      
Academic Students in Research                                                                                                   
University of Alaska - Fairbanks                                                                                                
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided his testimony and made himself                                                                  
available to answer questions during the hearing on HB 67.                                                                      
JOEY CRUM, President and CEO                                                                                                    
Northern Industrial Training                                                                                                    
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 67.                                                                           
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
8:01:02 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  HARRIET DRUMMOND  called the  House Education  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to  order at 8:01 a.m.   Representatives Revak,                                                               
Tuck, Johnson, Hopkins,  Story, and Drummond were  present at the                                                               
call to  order.  Representative  Zulkosky arrived as  the meeting                                                               
was in progress.                                                                                                                
         HB 24-LIMITED TEACHER CERTIFICATES; LANGUAGES                                                                      
8:01:53 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND announced  that  the first  order of  business                                                               
would be HOUSE BILL NO. 24,  "An Act relating to instruction in a                                                               
language  other than  English; and  relating  to limited  teacher                                                               
8:02:31 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE STORY expressed  her appreciation for HB  24.  She                                                               
said she thinks the proposed  legislation would benefit immersion                                                               
language programs  such as those  offered through  the University                                                               
of  Alaska -  Southeast, in  Juneau.   She indicated  that HB  24                                                               
exemplifies the flexibility that Alaska  needs.  She said this is                                                               
one of  the ways  in which  the Department  of Education  & Early                                                               
Development (DEED)  and the Alaska  Board of Education  and Early                                                               
Development  can   work  to  preserve  and   revitalize  Alaska's                                                               
languages.   She said  she supports  HB 24.   She noted  that her                                                               
daughter has gone through the  language programs and is currently                                                               
working in a Tlingit immersion pre-school program.                                                                              
8:04:17 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE STORY moved to report  HB 24 out of committee with                                                               
individual  recommendations and  the  accompanying fiscal  notes.                                                               
There being  no objection, HB  24 was  reported out of  the House                                                               
Education Standing Committee.                                                                                                   
8:04:36 AM                                                                                                                    
The committee took an at-ease from 8:05 a.m. to 8:06 a.m.                                                                       
          HB 67-DEPT. OF LABOR: TECHNICAL ED. PROGRAMS                                                                      
8:06:40 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND announced the final  order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL  NO. 67,  "An  Act  relating  to  the duties  of  the                                                               
Department of Labor and Workforce  Development; and providing for                                                               
an effective date."                                                                                                             
8:07:31 AM                                                                                                                    
TAMIKA  LEDBETTER, Ph.D.,  Commissioner  Designee, Department  of                                                               
Labor & Workforce Development (DLWD),  presented HB 67, sponsored                                                               
by House Rules  by the request of the governor.   She relayed the                                                               
goals of  DLWD.   She related  that HB 67  would add  language to                                                               
accommodate vocational training.   She said the  primary focus of                                                               
DLWD  is to  connect people  in Alaska  to training  and jobs  in                                                               
their home  regions throughout the  state.  The  department works                                                               
to   identify   partnerships    with   employers   and   training                                                               
organizations that will prepare people for job opportunities.                                                                   
COMMISSIONER LEDBETTER  stated that HB  67 would add  language in                                                               
Title 44, directing  DLWD to coordinate and  monitor state career                                                               
and  technical  education  programs.   She  said  this  would  be                                                               
accomplished  in  collaboration  with  DEED,  the  University  of                                                               
Alaska  (UA),   and  other  entities  that   provide  career  and                                                               
technical education  and training.  She  said federal legislation                                                               
governing  the use  of the  Workforce Innovation  Opportunity Act                                                               
(WIOA)  funding, as  well as  Carl Perkins  Career and  Technical                                                               
Education    funding,    requires   agency    coordination    and                                                               
collaboration.    The language  in  HB  67 would  formalize  that                                                               
COMMISSIONER  LEDBETTER said  DLWD works  to provide  job seekers                                                               
and workers with high quality  training and education, as well as                                                               
career  services.   She  stated,  "The  department further  helps                                                               
employers  find  skilled  workers and  identifies  education  and                                                               
training  opportunities for  the  current workforce."   She  said                                                               
Alaska  Workforce   Investment  Board  (AWIB),  located   in  the                                                               
commissioner's   office,  is   the   lead   state  planning   and                                                               
coordinating  entity for  human resource  programs in  the state.                                                               
She  said,   "Members  represent   a  diverse   cross-section  of                                                               
businesses and educational partners."                                                                                           
8:09:54 AM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER  LEDBETTER stated  that  in 2010,  AWIB worked  with                                                               
DLWD  and UA  to develop  "the 2010  Alaska Career  and Technical                                                               
Education Plan, which  called for strategy to  improve career and                                                               
technical  education and  prepare Alaskans  with required  skills                                                               
needed  for  postsecondary  training in  careers  in  high-growth                                                               
occupations in  Alaska."  Commissioner Ledbetter  stated that the                                                               
Career and Technical Education (CTE)  Plan called for "increasing                                                               
efforts to develop career  pathways, career counseling, standards                                                               
for training programs, coordination,  and program delivery."  She                                                               
said   the   plan   addresses   individual   needs   for   career                                                               
preparedness, as  well as  the broader needs  for a  training and                                                               
education system  that is  efficient, effective,  and coordinated                                                               
with workforce needs, both current and future.                                                                                  
COMMISSIONER LEDBETTER  related that  in 2018, the  same partners                                                               
created  an  addendum  to  the   2010  plan  "to  reenergize  the                                                               
conversation around CTE, reexamine  CTE plan strategies, and help                                                               
ensure  that  our  broad  spectrum   of  education  and  training                                                               
opportunities  are  communicated  to   Alaskans."    She  said  a                                                               
coordinator  located in  DLWD implements  these strategies.   She                                                               
said  the  Alaska  Vocational Technical  Center  (AVTEC)  is  the                                                               
premier state  training school for training  directed at specific                                                               
employers, and  it provides longer-term training,  averaging nine                                                               
months, in  the study of  maritime, applied  technology, culinary                                                               
arts,   energy   and   building   technology,   and   information                                                               
COMMISSIONER  LEDBETTER   related  that   another  role   of  the                                                               
department  is  in  the dissemination  of  career  and  technical                                                               
training funds through the State  Training and Employment Program                                                               
(STEP)  and  the  Technical   and  Vocational  Education  Program                                                               
(TVEP),  and numerous  federal grant  programs.   She said  HB 67                                                               
would  "formalize  the  role  of  DLWD  as  the  lead  agency  in                                                               
coordinating   and   monitoring   state  career   and   technical                                                               
8:12:27 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK asked  whether  state  career and  technical                                                               
education implies any  in the state of Alaska or  just those that                                                               
have received state funding.                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER  LEDBETTER  answered  that  it  includes  all  state                                                               
career and technical education.                                                                                                 
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK  mentioned  a   career  school  in  mid-town                                                               
Anchorage,  as well  as a  Baptist college  in the  east side  of                                                               
Anchorage.  He  asked if, under HB 67, DLWD  would have oversight                                                               
of  those  two  private  institutions.   He  then  rephrased  his                                                               
question to  ask what the intent  of the department would  be for                                                               
those two organizations.                                                                                                        
COMMISSIONER LEDBETTER  answered that the  department's intention                                                               
in coordinating and monitoring is  to ensure people are not being                                                               
over-trained  for jobs  that do  not exist  or under-trained  for                                                               
jobs that  do exist.   She  further stated the  intent is  not "a                                                               
hostile  takeover   of  every  program"  but   rather  to  ensure                                                               
collaboration and coordination in  meeting the needs of employers                                                               
to establish a qualified workforce.   She described a streamlined                                                               
focus for  training of Alaskans  for work  both now and  for that                                                               
which is anticipated for the future.                                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  referred to  the phrase "any  other entities                                                           
involved in  providing or funding  the programs" on page  2, line                                                           
11, of HB 67, and asked  whether that means "you'll be looking at                                                               
some  of these  institutions  and their  sources  of funding,  as                                                               
COMMISSIONER  LEDBETTER  relayed that  a  grant  unit within  the                                                               
department's  Division   of  Employment  and   Training  Services                                                               
administers federal and state grant  funds to training providers,                                                               
including  the university  and private  entities.   The  proposed                                                               
legislation,  she  said,  would   add  "a  strengthening  to  the                                                               
language" for the purpose of better coordination.                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK asked  if that included entities  that do not                                                               
receive government funding whatsoever.                                                                                          
COMMISSIONER  LEDBETTER said  she  would return  with a  specific                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK clarified  he wanted to know  what the intent                                                               
COMMISSIONER  LEDBETTER said,  "The intent  is simply  monitoring                                                               
and coordinating."                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK asked,  "No matter  where the  funding comes                                                               
from;  no  matter what  they  train;  just any  ...  institution,                                                               
regardless of funding?"                                                                                                         
COMMISSIONER LEDBETTER answered yes.                                                                                            
8:15:47 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY inquired  as to  "who is  coordinating this                                                               
now"  and   whether  Commissioner   Ledbetter  had   spoken  with                                                               
representatives of DEED and UA.                                                                                                 
COMMISSIONER  LEDBETTER answered  that  there is  a current  plan                                                               
developed by DLWD, DEED, and UA.  She continued:                                                                                
     Under  the  Alaska  Workforce  Investment  Board,  this                                                                    
     language is already written ...  in legislation to have                                                                    
     mandatory  partners in  coordination  so that  services                                                                    
     and programs are administered in  a way that our common                                                                    
     customers can be served better.   And so, this language                                                                    
     is just  helpful to us  to strengthen  that partnership                                                                    
     and strengthen that relationship.                                                                                          
COMMISSIONER  LEDBETTER noted  that currently  DLWD has  a career                                                               
and  technical  education coordinator  on  staff  to ensure  this                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE STORY  asked whether  the reason for  the proposed                                                               
legislation   is   that   the  agencies   are   "having   trouble                                                               
COMMISSIONER LEDBETTER stated her  belief that "the formalization                                                               
of  the  language"  helps in  strengthening  the  partnership  by                                                               
ensuring it happens at the desired level.                                                                                       
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY  inquired  about the  conversation  between                                                               
DEED, UA, and DLWD.                                                                                                             
COMMISSIONER  LEDBETTER   relayed  that  she  has   had  multiple                                                               
conversations with  the commissioner  of DEED, who  is supportive                                                               
of HB  67.  She stated  her intent to have  "further conversation                                                               
with  the president  of  the university."    She recommended  the                                                               
committee hear  from Louise Dean,  the Executive Director  of the                                                               
Alaska Workforce Investment Board.                                                                                              
8:18:25 AM                                                                                                                    
LOUISE  DEAN,  Executive  Director, Alaska  Workforce  Investment                                                               
Board  (AWIB),  Department  of   Labor  &  Workforce  Development                                                               
(DLWD), stated  that AWIB is  a 26-member board appointed  by the                                                               
governor.  Board members communicate  on a regular basis and work                                                               
closely with DEED,  as well as with the workforce  program at UA.                                                               
She said one  thing that [DLWD] has is a  connection to employers                                                               
and  industry  that brings  about  an  understanding of  what  is                                                               
needed in terms of training and the future workforce.                                                                           
8:20:23 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE HOPKINS asked a series  of questions regarding the                                                               
frequency of board meetings and the identity of the chair.                                                                      
MS. DEAN responded that the full  board meets three times a year,                                                               
and  committees meet  throughout  the year.    She indicated  the                                                               
committees cover  the topics  of workforce  readiness, employment                                                               
placement, assessment  and evaluation,  policy and  planning, and                                                               
legislation.   The executive committee  meets monthly,  which she                                                               
opined is adequate.  She said  the executive committee is made up                                                               
of the board chair and vice chair,  as well as "the chairs of the                                                               
standing  committee."   She said  statute requires  them to  meet                                                               
three times  a year; due  to budget  cuts, two of  those meetings                                                               
are done  virtually, while one is  face to face.   She said Larry                                                               
Bell is the current chair of  AWIB and is a business and industry                                                               
representative.   She  said Brenda  Pacarro is  vice chair  and a                                                               
business  and  industry  representative.     She  explained  that                                                               
statute  requires  the  chair  and  vice chair  to  be  from  the                                                               
business an industry  sector.  The board also  has private sector                                                               
8:23:07 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  ZULKOSKY relayed  that  she  has some  experience                                                               
working for  non-profits focused on workforce  readiness in rural                                                               
Western  Alaska.   She  inquired  as  to  how  HB 67  may  change                                                               
existing  private/public partnerships.   She  said many  of those                                                               
entities operate through  user fees - scholarships  that are paid                                                               
for by  various regional  entities or  Native corporations  - and                                                               
they operate based  on local employment needs.  She  asked how HB
67 might  impact STEP or TVEP  funds that are "passed  through to                                                               
those programs."                                                                                                                
8:24:39 AM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER LEDBETTER  stated that it  would "require all  of us                                                               
to come to  the table."  She  said HB 67 would  allow for greater                                                               
outreach to  private entities, training providers,  and nonprofit                                                               
agencies;  it  would help  to  coordinate  across the  state,  to                                                               
expand  opportunity to  rural  areas.   She  said  there is  data                                                               
focused on  "job development numbers"  that demonstrate  the need                                                               
for  a  strategic  workforce  development plan.    She  said  the                                                               
department has the  information to be able to show  what the need                                                               
is  and say  where  funding  dollars are  for  which members  can                                                               
compete.  She  opined that that coordination is  better suited in                                                               
DLWD because  of the amount  of services the  department provides                                                               
for the state.                                                                                                                  
REPRESENTATIVE  ZULKOSKY inquired  whether the  intention [of  HB
67]  is  to  expand  the  state's  ability  to  coordinate  those                                                               
services  "but  not  necessarily  to  assume  them  from  private                                                               
entities that are doing that work."                                                                                             
COMMISSIONER LEDBETTER answered yes.                                                                                            
8:26:27 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON asked whether it  would be possible to get                                                               
a  list  of   schools  and  entities  that   are  being  overseen                                                               
COMMISSIONER LEDBETTER answered yes.                                                                                            
8:27:16 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY asked  for  clarification regarding  DEED's                                                               
role in overseeing the career and technical program.                                                                            
COMMISSIONER   LEDBETTER   replied   that   every   school,   the                                                               
university,  and  oftentimes  private industry  have  career  and                                                               
technical education programs.   The goal of HB 67  is to create a                                                               
single plan with a single focus.                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STORY said it would  be good to know the resources                                                               
that  the  department   has  at  its  disposal   to  assist  with                                                               
implementation of the program.                                                                                                  
8:28:39 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND  suggested the  question would be  better asked                                                               
of Ms. Riddle of DEED.                                                                                                          
8:28:48 AM                                                                                                                    
DEBORAH  RIDDLE, Division  Operations  Manager, Student  Learning                                                               
Division,  Department of  Education &  Early Development  (DEED),                                                               
said currently  DEED, DLWD, and  UA meet monthly.   She indicated                                                               
that DEED funds  career and technical education  at the secondary                                                               
level  via  federal  funding.   Districts  must  coordinate  with                                                               
"their  local  industry  and  workforce."     She  mentioned  the                                                               
Strengthening  Career  and  Technical   Education  for  the  21st                                                               
Century Act  and a provision  wherein a needs assessment  must be                                                               
done  every  two  years,  in  which there  is  a  component  that                                                               
addresses  workforce   needs.     She  said  she   has  initiated                                                               
conversation with  DLWD to  have that  department "do  that piece                                                               
for  our  districts."   She  characterized  such coordination  as                                                               
helpful  and expressed  appreciation  for the  ability to  "cross                                                               
over through the different departments  to get what the districts                                                               
8:30:33 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY asked  how many  staff cover  the technical                                                               
education aspect.                                                                                                               
MS. RIDDLE  answered that DEED  has two program managers,  a data                                                               
manager, and herself.                                                                                                           
8:30:52 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  HOPKINS asked  whether the  staff just  listed by                                                               
Ms. Riddle  would continue to  work on the  same effort if  HB 67                                                               
8:31:09 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  RIDDLE  answered yes,  the  division  provides Carl  Perkins                                                               
funds  and  does  outreach.    Further,  she  said  the  division                                                               
provides funds to post-secondary  education and the Department of                                                               
Corrections,  as well  as works  with "nontraditional  students."                                                               
In  response to  a follow-up  question,  she said  she serves  as                                                               
proxy  to the  commissioner on  AWIB.   To another  question, she                                                               
stated  that specific  requirements related  to the  Carl Perkins                                                               
funds would not be changed under HB 67.                                                                                         
8:32:10 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND inquired  as to  "how  much in  total of  Carl                                                               
Perkins funds" the division currently administers in Alaska.                                                                    
MS.  RIDDLE answered  that the  division handles  all the  funds;                                                               
last  year  that amount  was  approximately  $4.6 million.    She                                                               
anticipated that amount would raise next year.                                                                                  
8:32:43 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK said  he is  trying to  figure out  "how far                                                               
this  authority will  go."   He inquired  what the  ramifications                                                               
would be if, for example,  the [aforementioned] Baptist [college]                                                               
decides it will not provide information or access to DLWD.                                                                      
COMMISSIONER  LEDBETTER   reiterated  that  there  would   be  no                                                               
ramifications.  She  restated, "This is not  a hostile takeover."                                                               
She  said this  is just  an  opportunity for  DLWD to  coordinate                                                               
workforce  development in  career and  technical education.   She                                                               
opined that  all training  and education should  lead to  a good-                                                               
paying job.                                                                                                                     
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  inquired whether the focus  is between state                                                               
departments.   He  relayed that  he  is trying  to establish  the                                                               
problem  HB 67  is attempting  to  fix.   He said  he likes  "the                                                               
vision" and allowed  perhaps "we should put this in  the scope of                                                               
the duties  of the department."   Nevertheless, he  expressed his                                                               
concern  that  there should  be  sidebars  added so  that  future                                                               
administrations   do    not   misinterpret   their    roles   and                                                               
COMMISSIONER LEDBETTER responded that  there is not necessarily a                                                               
problem  to  be  fixed.   She  said  the  intent  is to  "form  a                                                               
discussion around  career and technical  education."   She stated                                                               
that having  legislation that  gives DLWD a  lead role  will help                                                               
inform the  discussion "that all training,  all education, should                                                               
lead to viable career opportunity."                                                                                             
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK directed  attention to  language on  page 2,                                                               
lines 9-12, of HB 67, which read as follows:                                                                                    
                    (8) coordinate and  monitor state career                                                                
     and technical education  programs through a cooperative                                                                
     effort  with  the  Department of  Education  and  Early                                                                
     Development, the  University of  Alaska, and  any other                                                                
     entities   involved  in   providing   or  funding   the                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK suggested changing the  language on line 9 to                                                               
"coordinate  and monitor  states  provided  career and  technical                                                               
education" and  deleting "or funding"  from the language  on line                                                           
12.   He explained  that he is  not sure that  "we" want  to keep                                                               
track of  every private organization  and their  funding sources,                                                               
so he recommended limiting it  to government funded programs.  He                                                               
expressed  concern   that  there  may  be   too  much  government                                                               
overreach in  some of  the private  institutions.   He concluded,                                                               
"So, I  understand why we might  want to have that  oversight for                                                               
state-funded or  government-funded programs and why  we'd want to                                                               
coordinate and maybe  even offer state assistance to  some of the                                                               
state entities; but  I don't think that we should  be required to                                                               
go any further  than that unless they do receive  state grants or                                                               
state funding."                                                                                                                 
8:37:06 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND noted  that Paul  Layer,  from Fairbanks,  was                                                               
available telephonically.                                                                                                       
8:37:31 AM                                                                                                                    
PAUL  LAYER,  Vice  President,  Academic  Students  in  Research,                                                               
University of  Alaska - Fairbanks,  stated that that UA  is proud                                                               
to  work with  its  partners to  meet  Alaska's future  workforce                                                               
needs.   Career and technical education  is at the heart  of UA's                                                               
mission; it has workforce programs  on 14 campuses throughout the                                                               
state, as well as at  learning and workforce centers elsewhere in                                                               
the state.                                                                                                                      
MR. LAYER  said UA  suggests amending HB  67 to  ensure continued                                                               
collaborative relationships between UA, DEED,  and DLWD.  He said                                                               
this can  be accomplished through  small changes that he  said he                                                               
would  submit to  the committee  in  writing.   One change  would                                                               
involve "precluding  the expansion of the  department's authority                                                               
from  merging   into  monitoring  and  coordinating   of  program                                                               
delivery for career and technical education."                                                                                   
MR. LAYER stated the importance  of preserving the distinct roles                                                               
of  UA,  DEED,  and  DLWD  in  delivering  career  and  technical                                                               
programs.   He indicated that  under HB  67, DLWD would  be given                                                               
"more authority  designating as Alaska's  lead agencies  in areas                                                               
of CTE."  He said this concerns  UA.  He said that as the state's                                                               
largest  career   and  technical   education  provider,   UA  has                                                               
workforce  training programs  that  serve  thousands of  Alaskans                                                               
annually.  He  said UA has had a  productive working relationship                                                               
with  DLWD for  decades.   He  said one  example of  that is  the                                                               
Alaska CTE  plan, as  shown in an  addendum.   Both organizations                                                               
serve on  AWIB and  deal with policy  questions and  elaborate on                                                               
joint initiatives.   He  emphasized UA's  desire to  maintain the                                                               
distinct roles through  collaborations.  For example,  he said UA                                                               
works with  DEED and local school  districts on a number  of high                                                               
school  "dual enrollment  programs."    Further, UA  collaborates                                                               
with AVTEC on  maritime training centers.  He  stated, "These are                                                               
great existing  partnerships that  should not  require additional                                                               
facilitation   by   the   Department  of   Labor   [&   Workforce                                                               
8:40:30 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  LAYER said  HB  67,  as drafted,  is  interpreted as  giving                                                               
[DLWD]  authority over  career  technical  and education  program                                                               
delivery,  and   the  proposed  change  could   have  "unintended                                                               
consequences  and potentially  impede the  strategic coordination                                                               
that the department is seeking."  He continued as follows:                                                                      
     The  university  respects  the department's  desire  to                                                                    
     maximize its  ability to advance the  state's workforce                                                                    
     and policy  goals; however, we  are concerned  that the                                                                    
     bill, as drafted,  hinders the university's independent                                                                    
     academic mission.                                                                                                          
     We hope to work with the department and the committee                                                                      
     on this legislation and the larger issue of advancing                                                                      
     career and technical education in Alaska.                                                                                  
MR. LAYER, to  a point raised by Commissioner  Ledbetter, said UA                                                               
does its  own industry outreach  to ensure its CTE  program meets                                                               
needs  and coordinates  with AWIB  on that  assessment.   He said                                                               
currently UA has a good  working relationship with DLWD and DEED,                                                               
and it would like to see that continue into the future.                                                                         
8:43:19 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY asked  for clarification  as to  the intent                                                               
behind the phrase "coordinate and  monitor" in the aforementioned                                                           
bill language.                                                                                                                  
8:43:47 AM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER LEDBETTER  answered that it means  ensuring that the                                                               
programs in  the plan  coordinated with DEED  and UA  are meeting                                                               
the needs  of employers.   In response  to a second  request from                                                               
Representative  Story   to  understand  the  intent   behind  the                                                               
language,  she   emphasized  that   DLWD  has  no   intention  of                                                               
approaching a  public or private  entity and asking them  to hand                                                               
over all their records.   She reiterated that monitoring would be                                                               
for the  purpose of  ensuring training is  being offered  for the                                                               
jobs available.                                                                                                                 
8:44:43 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND  proffered that  not part of  the consideration                                                               
is  the  Alaska  Commission on  Postsecondary  Education  (ACPE),                                                               
whose board comprises  14 members.  She said  the commission does                                                               
a lot of oversight of  training programs, including consideration                                                               
of fiscal status and certification.   She stated, "It sounds like                                                               
there's  a  lot  of  this   'monitoring'  happening  under  their                                                               
authority."   She  said there  are members  of the  University of                                                               
Alaska Board  of Regents and  the Alaska Board of  Education that                                                               
are members of  the ACPE Board.  She said  ACPE also runs student                                                               
loans,   grants,  and   scholarship  programs.     She   implored                                                               
Commissioner Ledbetter  to consider  collaboration with  ACPE "to                                                               
make sure that  we're not providing too many  layers of oversight                                                               
8:46:03 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK inquired  further  about the  intent of  the                                                               
bill, whether it is "to know  what's going on" in order to "help"                                                               
or to do  that plus ensure that entities are  "doing what they're                                                               
supposed to be doing."                                                                                                          
8:47:03 AM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER LEDBETTER responded  that the intent of  DLWD is "to                                                               
provide  informed information  that allows  those entities  to do                                                               
better  jobs, if  needed, or  continue doing  the great  job that                                                               
they're doing."   She  reiterated that  the department  would not                                                               
monitor with the intent of asking people to turn over records.                                                                  
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK stated  that he  thinks if  DLWD had  grants                                                               
going  out to  training  facilities, then  the department  "would                                                               
want to  have that."   He said  that explained his  concern about                                                               
"funding  versus non-funding."    He said  he  is also  concerned                                                               
about  "private  versus   anything  that's  receiving  government                                                               
funds."   He questioned "how  this is  not being met"  with AWIB,                                                               
UA,  and  ACPE.    He further  questioned  why  AWIB's  Technical                                                               
Education Program findings are not sufficient.                                                                                  
8:48:37 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND  offered  her   understanding  that  ACPE  had                                                               
reviewed programs  within the Waylon Baptist  University, but she                                                               
does not  know whether  the board  has oversight  in the  area of                                                               
training.    She  expressed  concern  there  could  be  too  many                                                               
organizations  overseeing the  various schools  and providers  of                                                               
training.   She  told Commissioner  Ledbetter she  would like  to                                                               
have a  list of programs  DLWD "is currently coordinating."   She                                                               
asked Mr. Layer  to confirm that he had said  he would provide an                                                               
amendment for the committee's consideration.                                                                                    
8:49:45 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  LAYER   confirmed  that  UA   would  provide   an  amendment                                                               
addressing the question regarding monitoring.                                                                                   
8:50:10 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON  asked whether there is  something similar                                                               
that  the department  already  monitors that  could  serve as  an                                                               
8:50:58 AM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER  LEDBETTER stated  that  there is  STEP funding,  as                                                               
well  other  grant  funding  under  WIOA,  regarding  "adult  and                                                               
dislocated worker."   The department considers the  amount of the                                                               
grant  being requested  and the  criteria surrounding  the grant.                                                               
Then it will  look at how the funds are  spent, which individuals                                                               
are served, and  whether the individuals actually got  jobs.  She                                                               
stated,  "There's nothing  punitive,  per se,  that happens  when                                                               
they  don't do  what  they  say they're  going  to  do, but  that                                                               
informs us  to not  award that  grant the next  year."   She said                                                               
DLWD already  has entities  that monitor  and entities  that work                                                               
together, and  she indicated that  her expectation of [HB  67] is                                                               
that it  would "strengthen  those relationships."   It  would not                                                               
expand the  scope of the  department's role, because  under WIOA,                                                               
the  department already  has  "the lead  position  in career  and                                                               
technical education."                                                                                                           
8:52:52 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND   asked  for   a  list   of  the   grants  and                                                               
organizations mentioned by Commissioner  Ledbetter.  She said she                                                               
appreciates the intent of HB 67  in terms of "unsiloing" the work                                                               
done in departments.   She noted that the fiscal  note is for one                                                               
position  within  the  department  at  a  cost  of  approximately                                                               
$140,000  annually.    She asked  whether  the  position  already                                                               
exists or would be new.                                                                                                         
COMMISSIONER  LEDBETTER  stated  that  the  position  is  already                                                               
filled, and the fiscal note will be amended.                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND asked if Commissioner  Ledbetter was saying the                                                               
fiscal note "would go away."                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER LEDBETTER answered that is correct.                                                                                
8:54:08 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  inquired as to  how long the  individual has                                                               
been in the position.                                                                                                           
COMMISSIONER  LEDBETTER   offered  her  understanding   that  the                                                               
position was filled in February or  March [2019].  In response to                                                               
a  follow-up   question,  she  related   that  the   job  existed                                                               
previously but was just vacant for a time.                                                                                      
8:54:40 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  HOPKINS  inquired  whether   the  person  in  the                                                               
position was assigned to AWIB.                                                                                                  
COMMISSIONER LEDBETTER answered no.   To follow-up questions, she                                                               
said the person  in the position is not  responsible for staffing                                                               
and overseeing AWIB;  that job is done by  the executive director                                                               
of  AWIB.   She said  there  are two  staff  for the  board.   To                                                               
another  line of  questioning  from  Representative Hopkins,  she                                                               
said it seems like there are  a lot of programs that overlap, and                                                               
it  would  be nice  if  there  was  better coordination  so  that                                                               
training for  jobs that do  not exist does  not occur.   She said                                                               
she  could  follow  up  later   with  a  list  of  programs  that                                                               
illustrate the overlap.                                                                                                         
8:56:47 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE   JOHNSON  sought   to  clarify   the  intent   of                                                               
monitoring a  program that is  not receiving state funding.   She                                                               
asked whether  it was  to know whether  other programs  were "out                                                               
there" for  the purpose of establishing  state-funded programs or                                                               
receiving grants.                                                                                                               
COMMISSIONER LEDBETTER answered yes.                                                                                            
8:58:16 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND opened public testimony on HB 67.                                                                             
8:58:39 AM                                                                                                                    
JOEY  CRUM,  President  and CEO,  Northern  Industrial  Training,                                                               
stated  that he  is testifying  because he  has been  involved in                                                               
many aspects  of training and  adult education,  including public                                                               
and private, as well as union  and nonunion.  He said he supports                                                               
HB 67 to  clarify the commissioner's role in  helping "break down                                                               
silos"  and coordinate  efforts related  to career  and technical                                                               
education -  especially those between state-funded  entities.  He                                                               
continued as follows:                                                                                                           
     It is frustrating enough to  see the state compete with                                                                    
     the private  sector, but  it is  especially frustrating                                                                    
     to see the state compete  with itself.  For example, on                                                                    
     January 31, the university  issued RFP Number 19-06 for                                                                    
     work consisting  of labor  and materials  and equipment                                                                    
     necessary  to  renovate  the  University  of  Alaska  -                                                                    
     Anchorage welding  lab located  at the  Kenai Peninsula                                                                    
     College.   AVTEC offers  welding instruction  two hours                                                                    
     away in a new,  multi-million dollar facility described                                                                    
     as  state-of-the-art.   Why is  UAA  spending money  to                                                                    
     renovate this  facility?   So they  can take  the state                                                                    
     dollars and  compete with other state  dollars given to                                                                    
     AVTEC?  Both are operating below capacity.                                                                                 
MR.  CRUM opined  that HB  67  is needed  so that  the state  can                                                               
"strategically use  its precious training dollars  and prioritize                                                               
Alaskans over facilities."   He offered clarification  that UA is                                                               
statutorily exempt from ACPE oversight,  even though it has three                                                               
voting members on the board of commissioners.                                                                                   
9:00:58 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND  expressed  her appreciation  for  Mr.  Crum's                                                               
testimony.   She said  she is  amazed to hear  about the  RFP and                                                               
finds it  curious that  UA is  exempt from  ACPE oversight.   She                                                               
asked Mr.  Crum for information  regarding his position  as chair                                                               
on the ACPE Board.                                                                                                              
MR. CRUM  stated that he  was appointed by Governor  Sean Parnell                                                               
to the Board of Commissioners of  ACPE in 2014 and served as vice                                                               
chair for  one year and chair  for another year; he  served again                                                               
as  chair "before  he  was not  reappointed to  the  board."   In                                                               
total,  both  those positions  he  served  for approximately  two                                                               
years and three months.                                                                                                         
9:02:04 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE HOPKINS  asked whether Mr. Crum  thinks AWIB needs                                                               
stronger oversight from the commissioner of DLWD.                                                                               
MR. CRUM relayed that AWIB's  membership needs to be "statutorily                                                               
cleaned  up" in  order  to represent  Alaska's current  workforce                                                               
composition.   He  said he  thinks the  commissioner of  DLWD has                                                               
adequate oversight  of AWIB function; however,  "when you're only                                                               
able to  coordinate a portion  of state dollars, you  are lacking                                                               
incent from a broader group of people that help propel Alaska."                                                                 
9:03:05 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  thanked Mr.  Crum for telling  the committee                                                               
about the RFP redundancy issue.  He  asked Mr. Crum how HB 67 can                                                               
solve any type of redundancy.                                                                                                   
MR. CRUM stated that he believes  HB 67 would be the beginning of                                                               
a   coordination   that   would   eliminate   redundancies,   the                                                               
duplication of efforts using public  dollars.  He said DLWD funds                                                               
not only AVTEC,  but also regional training  providers located in                                                               
many of  the same places  in which there  are UA facilities.   He                                                               
said, "Coordination clearly hasn't  happened at this point; maybe                                                               
this will force the discussion."                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK referenced Mr.  Crum's earlier statement that                                                               
this  isn't needed  and inquired  whether that  is because  AVTEC                                                               
does not already have full enrollment in its welding program.                                                                   
MR.  CRUM  replied  that  he  has  not  spoken  directly  with  a                                                               
representative  of AVTEC;  however, he  said "past  results" show                                                               
that neither the Kenai Peninsula  College nor AVTEC are operating                                                               
their  welding classes  at full  capacity.   He  opined that  the                                                               
state should  determine what  facilities are  needed in  order to                                                               
operate  them at  full  capacity.   In  response  to a  follow-up                                                               
question,  he  indicated that  the  information  he received  was                                                               
public  information reported  to  the Senate  Labor and  Commerce                                                               
Standing  Committee   and  House  Labor  and   Commerce  Standing                                                               
Committee.   He  said UA  information is  much more  difficult to                                                               
get,  but he  said he  has developed  "significant relationships"                                                               
growing up on  the Kenai Peninsula, and that is  where he got his                                                               
9:06:32 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON thanked  Mr. Crum  for his  testimony and                                                               
recognized his expertise in the area.                                                                                           
9:07:10 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND  thanked  Mr.  Crum for  being  alert  to  the                                                               
duplication of services.   She said she had heard  that AVTEC had                                                               
a  success rate  such  that  every person  who  went through  its                                                               
program got a  job.  She asked  Mr. Crum if he  knew whether that                                                               
success rate has been maintained or declined.                                                                                   
MR. CRUM deferred the question to  DLWD because he has not seen a                                                               
report to be able to answer.                                                                                                    
9:08:12 AM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER LEDBETTER  stated that  the department  would follow                                                               
up and provide that information at a later time.                                                                                
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND  recommended committee  members take a  tour of                                                               
AVTEC as she had done in the past.                                                                                              
9:09:05 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND, after ascertaining that  there was no one else                                                               
who wished to testify, closed public testimony on HB 67.                                                                        
9:09:14 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY referenced  line[s] [9  and] 10  of HB  67,                                                               
regarding career  and technical programs.   She said it  would be                                                               
interesting  to  hear from  UA  regarding  the  use of  the  word                                                               
"programs".    She  said she  hopes  further  conversations  will                                                           
9:10:30 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  stated that this  appears as an  almost two-                                                               
part  vision.     One  part   is  the  coordinate   of  services,                                                               
educational opportunities, and career  paths that are desperately                                                               
needed but  without duplicating efforts;  the second part  is the                                                               
ability for  DLWD to  monitor to ensure  state dollars  are being                                                               
used as intended.   He said that blending the  parts together may                                                               
be a  problem, because it  could allow for a  future commissioner                                                               
to have an overpowering role.   He said he appreciates the vision                                                               
[of HB 67] but wants it done "the right way."                                                                                   
9:11:55 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND shared that as  a former Anchorage School Board                                                               
member,  she  has  watched  how  use of  the  career  center  has                                                               
changed.  It has transitioned from a half-day program to a full-                                                                
time career program.   There has been a  suggestion considered to                                                               
open  the  building to  the  public  at  night.   Another  school                                                               
district brings rural students to  Anchorage for classes.  School                                                               
districts around the state have  focused "career tech efforts" in                                                               
hub communities  and have developed boarding  school programs for                                                               
career  building.   She  said  it  would  be  great to  have  the                                                               
departments  and  the  university   coordinating  to  ensure  the                                                               
appropriate services  are being  offered to  Alaskans.   She said                                                               
she  appreciates the  intent of  HB  67, but  said the  committee                                                               
needs  to carefully  consider it  to avoid  "overdoing it."   She                                                               
recommended speaking with someone from  ACPE to see what its role                                                               
may be in  this.  She reiterated her response  regarding Mr. Crum                                                               
having stated that UA does not  have oversight by ACPE, which she                                                               
said seems odd.                                                                                                                 
9:13:38 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE HOPKINS  drew attention to the  fiscal analysis of                                                               
the  fiscal  note  from  the  Department  of  Labor  &  Workforce                                                               
Development, and  he paraphrased  [the first three  sentences of]                                                               
the third paragraph, which read  as follows [original punctuation                                                               
     The  Alaska Workforce  Investment  Board (AWIB)  within                                                                    
     the department  is already the lead  state planning and                                                                    
     coordinating entity for the  human resource programs in                                                                    
     the   state.   The   AWIB  is   responsible   for   the                                                                    
     facilitation   and   development    of   an   effective                                                                    
     employment and training  education system, which aligns                                                                    
     workforce,  education,  and economic  development.  The                                                                    
     AWIB's  staff includes  a position  that serves  as the                                                                    
     department's CTE Coordinator.                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE  HOPKINS  then   directed  attention  to  language                                                               
beginning on the second line  of the next paragraph, which stated                                                               
that  "this  position  will  shift focus  slightly  to  help  the                                                               
department  and the  AWIB monitor  and evaluate  the state's  CTE                                                               
programs as well."  He said  it seems like the department already                                                               
has the authority it is seeking under HB 67.                                                                                    
9:14:56 AM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER LEDBETTER answered that  HB 67 would formalize "that                                                               
9:15:07 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK  offered his  understanding  that  a lot  of                                                               
these  functions are  already  happening; HB  67  would amend  AS                                                               
44.31.020, which  relates to  the duties of  the department.   He                                                               
indicated that  he notices  when the  word "strengthen"  is used,                                                               
but he thinks the intent of  the proposed legislation is to "have                                                               
one place and one person"  to oversee the process and "coordinate                                                               
these  things" and  then "monitor  these things"  when there  are                                                               
state funds involved.   He emphasized the  importance of properly                                                               
crafting HB 67 "to make sure that we have that there."                                                                          
9:16:54 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND  remarked that  House Bill 221,  [passed during                                                               
the Thirtieth  Legislative Session],  "reupped the  workforce and                                                               
education-related statistics program"  run by ACPE.   She said it                                                               
is an  extensive database that  follows the delivery  of programs                                                               
from  preschool  through workforce  development.    She said  she                                                               
thinks it is called  a "PK 20 Program."  She said  DLWD is one of                                                               
the signatories.   She  said that database  is intended  to track                                                               
investments  in students  in the  state.   She concluded,  "So, I                                                               
think  this is  an important  ... factor  and something  that the                                                               
[Alaska] Commission on Postsecondary  Education would be happy to                                                               
educate you on."                                                                                                                
9:18:20 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND announced that HB 67 was held over.                                                                           
9:18:50 AM                                                                                                                    
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Education Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 9:19 a.m.                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 67 Committee Packet.pdf HEDC 4/5/2019 8:00:00 AM
HB 67
HB0067 House Education committee cte hearing request.pdf HEDC 4/5/2019 8:00:00 AM
HB 67
HB0067 transmittal letter.pdf HEDC 4/5/2019 8:00:00 AM
HB 67
HB0067 sectional analysis.pdf HEDC 4/5/2019 8:00:00 AM
HB 67
HB0067-1-2-022019-EED-N.PDF HEDC 4/5/2019 8:00:00 AM
HB 67
HB0067-2-2-022019-LWF-Y.PDF HEDC 4/5/2019 8:00:00 AM
HB 67
HB0067A.PDF HEDC 4/5/2019 8:00:00 AM
HB 67