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ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE
HOUSE COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE
May 8, 2025
8:05 a.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Representative Rebecca Himschoot, Co-Chair
Representative Donna Mears, Co-Chair
Representative Carolyn Hall
Representative Ky Holland
Representative Mike Prax
Representative Justin Ruffridge
MEMBERS ABSENT
All members present
COMMITTEE CALENDAR
HOUSE BILL NO. 126
"An Act relating to the reinstatement of Native corporations;
and providing for an effective date."
- HEARD & HELD
HOUSE BILL NO. 184
"An Act relating to the Alaska Industrial Development and Export
Authority; and relating to workforce housing development
projects."
- HEARD & HELD
HOUSE BILL NO. 207
"An Act relating to a matching grant program for fire station
construction and renovation; and providing for an effective
date."
- BILL HEARING CANCELED
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION
BILL: HB 126
SHORT TITLE: REINSTATEMENT OF NATIVE CORPS
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) FOSTER
03/05/25 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
03/05/25 (H) TRB, CRA
05/01/25 (H) TRB AT 8:00 AM DAVIS 106
05/01/25 (H) Moved CSHB 126(TRB) Out of Committee
05/01/25 (H) MINUTE(TRB)
05/02/25 (H) TRB RPT CS(TRB) NEW TITLE 6DP 1NR
05/02/25 (H) DP: MOORE, UNDERWOOD, SCHWANKE, BURKE,
STORY, DIBERT
05/02/25 (H) NR: CARRICK
05/08/25 (H) CRA AT 8:00 AM BARNES 124
BILL: HB 184
SHORT TITLE: AIDEA FINANCE WORKFORCE HOUSING DEVELOP.
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) STORY
04/11/25 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
04/11/25 (H) CRA, L&C
04/24/25 (H) CRA AT 8:00 AM BARNES 124
04/24/25 (H) Heard & Held
04/24/25 (H) MINUTE(CRA)
04/29/25 (H) CRA AT 8:00 AM BARNES 124
04/29/25 (H) Heard & Held
04/29/25 (H) MINUTE(CRA)
05/01/25 (H) CRA AT 8:00 AM BARNES 124
05/01/25 (H) -- MEETING CANCELED --
05/08/25 (H) CRA AT 8:00 AM BARNES 124
WITNESS REGISTER
PAUL LABOLLE, Staff
Representative Neal Foster
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented CSHB 126(TRB) on behalf of
Representative Foster, prime sponsor.
SYLVAN ROBB, Operations Manager
Division of Business, Corporations & Professional Licensing
Department of Commerce, Community & Economic Development
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions during the hearing on
CSHB 126(TRB).
RICHARD BENDER, President & CEO
Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act Village Corporation
Kotlik, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Gave invited testimony during the hearing
on CSHB 126(TRB).
REPRESENTATIVE ANDI STORY
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: As prime sponsor, gave a recap of HB 126
and answered committee questions.
SHAUN DEBENHAUM, Owner
Debenham LLC
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Gave invited testimony during the hearing
on HB 184.
BRANDON BREFCZYNSKI, Deputy Director
Alaska Industrial Development & Export Authority
Redmond, Washington
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions during the hearing on HB
184.
MARK DAVIS, Special Counsel
Alaska Industrial Development & Export Authority
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions during the hearing on HB
184.
ACTION NARRATIVE
8:05:47 AM
CHAIR REBECCA HIMSCHOOT called the House Community and Regional
Affairs Standing Committee meeting to order at 8:05 a.m.
Representatives Prax, Hall, Holland, Himschoot, and Mears were
present at the call to order. Representative Ruffridge arrived
as the meeting was in progress.
HB 126-REINSTATEMENT OF NATIVE CORPS
8:06:47 AM
CO-CHAIR HIMSCHOOT announced that the first order of business
would be HOUSE BILL NO. 126, "An Act relating to the
reinstatement of Native corporations; and providing for an
effective date." [Before the committee was CSHB 126(TRB).]
8:07:03 AM
PAUL LABOLLE, Staff, Representative Neal Foster, Alaska State
Legislature, presented CSHB 126(TRB) on behalf of Representative
Foster, prime sponsor. He paraphrased the sponsor statement
[included in the committee packet], which read as follows
[original punctuation provided]:
This legislation allows an involuntarily dissolved
Native Corporation to reinstate as the same
corporation; thereby retaining its assets.
This bill comes up periodically when a local Native
corporation fails to submit its paperwork with the
Division of Commerce. When any corporation does not
fulfill its reporting requirements, the corporation is
involuntarily dissolved. In normal instances, the
remedy is a new corporation with the same name is
formed. However, the new corporation is not the same
as the old corporation and does not retain its assets.
In normal instances, these assets are easily dispersed
to the original shareholders.
For Native corporations, this not the case. The assets
are comprised of lands granted under the Alaska Native
Claims Settlement Act (ANCSA). Dividing that land
amongst the shareholders would not be consistent with
(ANCSA), which makes land ownership collectively owned
by all the shareholders.
MR. LABOLLE referred to page 1, line 11, and highlighted the
words "any time" as the substantive part of the bill.
8:10:00 AM
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE referred to line 6 of CSHB 126(TRB) and
asked what would happen after the two-year time limit [from the
date of the certificate of involuntary dissolution].
MR. LABOLLE referred to the deleted language on page 1, lines 9-
11, which was a drafting decision by Legislative Legal Services.
He explained that not withstanding the 2-year cutoff, the
involuntarily dissolved Native corporation could be reinstated
at any time.
8:11:58 AM
REPRESENTATIVE HALL questioned the circumstances in which a
Native village corporation would have its status lapsed.
MR. LABOLLE said it happens for a myriad of different reasons;
most commonly, someone moves, or someone passes away.
8:12:52 AM
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX asked what would happen with the
corporation's assets after dissolution.
MR. LABOLLE explained that normally, the assets would be
redistributed to the shareholders who can reincorporate as a new
corporation if they so choose. However, with Native village
corporations, land assets granted under Alaska Native Claims
Settlement Act (ANCSA) are owned collectively, not by individual
shareholders. Furthermore, the federal government hasn't always
conveyed all of the land that the corporations own. So, it gets
legally complex.
8:16:00 AM
REPRESENTATIVE HOLLAND characterized this as a paperwork problem
and expressed concern about the workflow process that creates
the noncompliance, which needs to be part of the solution. He
asked how many entities are being dissolved and reincorporated
in a two-year timeframe.
CO-CHAIR HIMSCHOOT asked whether Representative Holland is
speaking to ANCSA village corporations or global corporations.
REPRESENTATIVE HOLLAND said he's trying to understand the scope
of the problem and how many entities this affects.
8:20:49 AM
MR. LABOLLE anecdotally reported that there were 19 Native
village corporations that had been involuntary dissolved between
2010 and 2018.
CO-CHAIR HIMSCHOOT asked for the total number of village
corporations in Alaska.
MR. LABOLLE estimated 250.
REPRESENTATIVE HOLLAND asked of the 19, how many lapsed beyond
the two-year period.
MR. LABOLLE did not know the answer.
8:22:30 AM
SYLVAN ROBB, Operations Manager, Division of Business,
Corporations & Professional Licensing, Department of Commerce,
Community & Economic Development (DCCED), answered that in FY
24, there were 6,441 corporations of all types that were
administratively dissolved and 604 that were reinstated;
however, they were still within the two-year window for
reinstatement.
REPRESENTATIVE HOLLAND asked whether there is a means for
tracking entities dissolved outside the two-year window.
MS. ROBB responded no, there is no specific information on
village corporations.
REPRESENTATIVE HOLLAND asked for the number of all entities that
lapsed and reincorporated outside the two-year window.
MS. ROBB did not know the answer because it would be hard to
differentiate them from a newly formed corporation.
8:25:40 AM
CO-CHAIR HIMSCHOOT questioned the distinction between the needs
of ANCSA corporations and other types of corporations. She
shared her understanding that it's based on the type of asset
that the corporation distributes upon dissolution.
MS. ROBB answered yes, there is a distinction, which is why the
bill was brought forward.
CO-CHAIR HIMSCHOOT asked what happens with the dissolved
corporations' assets under current law.
MR. LABOLLE did not know the answer and said he does not want to
find out.
8:27:39 AM
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX asserted that the dissolution of 6,441
corporations in one year seems impossible.
MS. ROBB pointed out that there is in excess of 92,000
registered corporations in Alaska.
CO-CHAIR HIMSCHOOT asked whether the limited liability company
(LLC) for her rental property would be considered one of the
[92,000] LLCs in Alaska.
MS. ROBB said yes, the figure is inclusive of all corporate
types.
8:29:00 AM
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX asked whether the problem exists for
nonprofit organizations (NPOs) as well.
MS. ROBB said that it would be a policy call. She added that
NPOs seem to do a reasonable job with paperwork, as fewer than
400 were involuntarily dissolved in FY 24.
8:31:12 AM
REPRESENTATIVE HOLLAND asked for insight on why this is
happening and what the legislature might do to solve the
problem.
MS. ROBB said part of the issue with corporate filings is the
need to review the filing. She said it's hard to decipher how
many were dissolved because they had no desire to see their
business continue versus businesses that got behind on their
paperwork or were confused about the process.
8:35:34 AM
RICHARD BENDER, President & CEO, Alaska Native Claims Settlement
Act Village Corporation, gave invited testimony during the
hearing on HB 126. He shared his experience and said in the
beginning, some believed that ANCSA corporations were destined
to fail as Native leaders were expected to run these
corporations when some lacked the ability to read, for example.
He said his peoples are still adapting and developing their
institutions, education, and culture. He opined that these
ANCSA corporations are important to the economic wellbeing of
individuals and the community.
8:39:18 AM
REPRESENTATIVE HOLLAND asked whether the bill would be
retroactive for currently involuntarily dissolved corporations.
MR. LABOLLE answered yes.
8:39:49 AM
CO-CHAIR HIMSCHOOT opened public testimony on CSHB 126(TRB).
After ascertaining that no one wished to testify, she closed
public testimony and announced that the bill would be held over.
HB 184-AIDEA FINANCE WORKFORCE HOUSING DEVELOP.
8:40:28 AM
CO-CHAIR HIMSCHOOT announced that the final order of business
would be HOUSE BILL NO. 184, "An Act relating to the Alaska
Industrial Development and Export Authority; and relating to
workforce housing development projects."
8:40:53 AM
REPRESENTATIVE ANDI STORY, Alaska State Legislature, as prime
sponsor, recapped the bill from the following prepared remarks
[original punctuation provided]:
Thank you for hearing this bill again. I appreciate
the committee's continued engagement on the urgent
issue of housing in Alaska. Our state is facing a
housing crisis that is affecting residents and
employers alike. This housing shortage is contributing
to out migration of individuals and families who wish
to stay here but can not find housing. Lack of
available housing hinders in-migration of skilled
workers that have been offered employment, but end up
not accepting due to lack of finding available
housing. The need for construction of affordable,
multi-unit housing is more pressing than ever.
This bill seeks to expand AIDEA's purpose in statute
to do just that. It would add to the purpose of the
authority to create additional employment by:
providing various means of financing and means of
facilitating the financing of construction of new
workforce housing facilities containing five or more
dwelling units.
After our first bill hearing, there were questions
about the definition used in this bill for "workforce
Housing "and were these rates really affordable?
Thanks to Stacy Barnes, Alaska Housing Finance
corporation, for providing a chart on what these rates
would approximately be according to the definition
used in this bill. And after speaking to a few
developers about this definition, who pointed out, the
work that they would need to do to verify the tenants
income and confirm that their income continues to fall
in the workforce definition, which inhibits interest
in an AIDEA loan. But most compelling of all for me,
was the knowledge shared, that for the most part, all
"for rent" multifamily housing is "work force"
housing. When potential tenants make larger amounts
of money they typically buy a house. There is not a
need to put restrictions on "affordable" housing
because when a typical market rate apartment building
is constructed it is already providing "affordable"
housing. Putting an affordable component to this
bill adds unnecessary obstacles to housing. In effect
it could removes market rate housing developers from
the equation. Based on this I am recommending members
consider a friendly amendment be made to remove the
workforce definition from this bill, deleting section
5.
I have spoken to the Sponsor of the Senate bill and he
is in agreement. Definition for "workforce housing "
(as residential housing that costs the occupant less
than 30 percent of the income of the household with
120 percent of the median family income, as determined
by the United States Department of Housing and Urban
Development, for the location where the housing is
constructed).
As requested by the committee I have invited testimony
from a real estate developer, Shaun Debenham, of
anchorage. Shaun is the President of Debenham LLC.
He has some testimony and is available for questions.
In closing, AIDEA has indicated that they are already
in conversations with municipalities about the need
for workforce housing and that they are well-
positioned to finance such projects through their loan
participation program. Though they have the capacity,
they have not engaged in financing workforce housing
for some time. HB 184 would add clarity and direction
under statute while helping to jumpstart much-needed
development.
I believe House Bill 184 represents a thoughtful and
targeted investment of AIDEA's resources, an approach
I believe many Alaskans would strongly support.
8:45:44 AM
SHAUN DEBENHAUM, Owner, Debenham LLC, gave invited testimony
during the hearing on HB 184. He stated his support for HB 184
because allowing the Alaska Industrial Development and Export
Authority (AIDEA) to financing multi-family housing would be
beneficial due to their lower interest rates, full amortization,
and longer amortization periods. They also provide a product
that are not typically available elsewhere in the market.
8:47:25 AM
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE shared his understanding that AIDEA is
capable of providing financing without the bill. He asked
whether Mr. Debenhaum had pursued financing previously.
MR. DEBENHAUM said when he sought multi-family financing from
AIDEA through a bank, he was told that they do not provide that
kind of financing for residential development.
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE shared his understanding that AIDEA had
stated that they were capable of offering multi-family financing
and asked why someone would be denied.
MR. DEBENHAUM deferred to AIDEA.
8:50:11 AM
BRANDON BREFCZYNSKI, Deputy Director, Alaska Industrial
Development & Export Authority (AIDEA), shared his belief that
AIDEA has the statutory authority to provide a loan for
commercial, multi-unit rental development. He deferred to Mr.
Davis for further elaboration.
8:51:24 AM
MARK DAVIS, Special Counsel, Alaska Industrial Development &
Export Authority (AIDEA), said there has been confusion as to
AIDEA's capabilities. He clarified that AIDEA does not provide
the kind of apartments offered by Alaska Housing Finance
Corporation (AHFC); however, it can invest in commercial real
estate. In recent years, AIDEA has also ramped up its direct
lending ability. He emphasized that AIDEA tries to avoid
competition with the bank, but offers a different rate than
federally chartered banks, as well as a longer-term loan.
8:53:19 AM
CO-CHAIR HIMSCHOOT asked whether the bill would be harmful or
helpful to AIDEA's operations.
MR. DAVIS said no, it's not harmful. It's helpful in the sense
that it would provide clarification for situations like Mr.
Debehnhaum's.
8:54:07 AM
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX asked whether AIDEA has access to capital
that most commercial banks do not.
MR. BREFCZYNSKI said AIDEA has access to its own capital and the
ability to bond.
MR. DAVIS added that AIDEA's funds are those that it has made
over the years from return on investments.
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX asked whether AIDEA would do its own
underwriting and servicing of the loan.
MR. DAVIS answered yes, when a loan is presented to AIDEA from
the bank, it goes to the loan participation program and then the
investment committee.
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX asked whether AIDEA would have to develop
policies on the risk versus reward for this type of investment.
MR. DAVIS answered yes; there two types of collateral for multi-
family housing: the building and the rent. If the loan were to
default, the first remedy would be to take over the rent,
followed by the building itself.
8:58:39 AM
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX asked whether AIDEA has enough surplus of
capital for the bill to work out as intended.
MR. DAVIS said it would depend on the investment. He shared
several scenarios involving work with a bank and the loan
participation program, where both the bank and AIDEA would take
portions of the loan. With a direct loan, AIDEA might still
consider a consortium of lenders. In terms of capital, he said
AIDEA would avoid taking on an entire loan due to risk factors.
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX asked whether the bill is directed at rental
properties or condominiums for sale.
MR. DAVIS answered no, [AIDEA would not participate in
condominiums for sale] because with mortgages, the bank holds
the title to the property, so nothing is left for AIDEA's
collateral. In a rental situation, he reiterated that both the
rent and building can be used as collateral if the borrower
defaulted on the loan.
9:03:11 AM
CO-CHAIR MEARS asked whether AIDEA could give priority to
funding projects with a community priority, like housing, that
would be a greater benefit to the state.
MR. DAVIS answered yes, and referenced AIDEA's investments in
Cook Inlet that arose from community concerns.
9:05:41 AM
REPRESENTATIVE HOLLAND asked whether funding is the solution to
the workforce housing challenge, or whether other barriers
contribute to this issue.
MR. DAVIS said financing is one mechanism that could make
housing more affordable and financeable; however, the
construction costs are greater than the value of a new build,
which creates a gap that AIDEA financing can help close.
REPRESENTATIVE HOLLAND asked how multi-family owner-occupied
complexes could be made more investable to close the gap between
renting and owning single-family housing.
MR. DAVIS said the major problem for condominiums is the high
price of construction and the inability to obtain a construction
loan, as working capital is needed until all the units are sold.
He added that AIDEA does not finance construction loans to avoid
interference with the bank and because its forte is long-term
loans.
MR. DEBENHAUM commented on the difficulty of obtaining a
construction loan because they are not offered by Frannie May or
Freddie Mac. He said construction loans that convert to long-
term financing would be a huge benefit to developers.
REPRESENTATIVE HOLLAND sought to clarify whether the bill would
allow AIDEA to offer construction loans.
MR. BREFCZYNSKI said AIDEA provides construction loans through
an indirect financing program for certain projects, but not for
residential housing or owner-occupied housing.
CO-CHAIR HIMSCHOOT sought to verify whether the bill would allow
AIDEA to finance construction loans for multi-family workforce
housing.
9:16:15 AM
MR. DAVIS emphasized the issue for lending on residential
housing developments is collateral. He reiterated that with
residential housing, the mortgage is owned by third-party bank
and if something goes wrong with development, all that's left is
the vacant land. He said AIDEA is focused on commercial real
estate, of which workforce [housing] is a form of. He said the
bill provides clarification that AIDEA could do workforce
development, which he characterized as "beneficial."
9:17:49 AM
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX asked whether the bill would transfer the
issue from workforce housing onto [another class of housing].
REPRESENTATIVE STORY said she's recommending a friendly
amendment that would remove the definition of workforce housing
in Section 5 of the bill. She expressed her hope that the bill
would jumpstart more development of workforce housing facilities
containing five or more dwelling units, which is lacking right
now.
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX expressed concern that the bill would take
business away from banks and change AIDEA's business model,
which was originally focused on the development of large
commercial projects intended to increase employment
opportunities, thereby disrupting the balance. He asked to hear
from the banks.
9:25:42 AM
REPRESENTATIVE HALL expressed concern that jobs in manufacturing
industries would not be filled without housing for those
workers.
9:26:15 AM
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE sought clarity on the removal of the
definition of "workforce housing" and whether the intention
would be to remove "workforce" from the entire bill.
REPRESENTATIVE STORY answered no, the language would still state
"new workforce housing facilities containing 5 or more
dwellings." She clarified that her intent is to remove the
income limits from the definition and the term "workforce
housing" would remain.
9:28:04 AM
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE speculated that a building with 5 or
more dwelling units is ostensibly workforce housing. He asked
whether removing the term "workforce" would be considered a
friendly amendment.
REPRESENTATIVE STORY indicated that "workforce" may be needed
for AIDEA to finance.
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE asked whether the term "workforce" is
needed for the bill to apply to AIDEA.
9:30:46 AM
MR. BREFCZYNSKI offered to follow up with the requested
information.
CO-CHAIR HIMSCHOOT announced that HB 184 would be held over.
9:32:41 AM
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business before the committee, the House
Community and Regional Affairs Standing Committee meeting was
adjourned at 9:32 a.m.
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects |
|---|---|---|
| HB 126 Sponsor Statement version I.pdf |
HCRA 5/8/2025 8:00:00 AM |
HB 126 |
| HB 126 Version I.pdf |
HCRA 5/8/2025 8:00:00 AM |
HB 126 |
| HB 126 Fiscal Note One - DCCED-DBS 5.2.25.pdf |
HCRA 5/8/2025 8:00:00 AM HCRA 5/13/2025 8:00:00 AM |
HB 126 |
| HB 126 Fiscal Note Two - DCCED-CBPL 5.2.25.pdf |
HCRA 5/8/2025 8:00:00 AM |
HB 126 |
| HB 184 Sponsor Statement 4.17.25.pdf |
HCRA 4/24/2025 8:00:00 AM HCRA 5/8/2025 8:00:00 AM HCRA 5/13/2025 8:00:00 AM |
HB 184 |
| HB 184 Version A 4.17.25.pdf |
HCRA 4/24/2025 8:00:00 AM HCRA 4/29/2025 8:00:00 AM HCRA 5/8/2025 8:00:00 AM HCRA 5/13/2025 8:00:00 AM |
HB 184 |
| HB 184 Sectional Analysis 4.17.25.pdf |
HCRA 4/24/2025 8:00:00 AM HCRA 5/8/2025 8:00:00 AM HCRA 5/13/2025 8:00:00 AM |
HB 184 |
| HB 184- AHFC Follow-Up on AIDEA Workforce Housing 4.25.2025.pdf |
HCRA 4/29/2025 8:00:00 AM HCRA 5/8/2025 8:00:00 AM HCRA 5/13/2025 8:00:00 AM |
HB 184 |
| An Overview of Alaska's Housing Shortage by AAHA - HB 184 Supporting Doc.pdf |
HCRA 4/29/2025 8:00:00 AM HCRA 5/8/2025 8:00:00 AM HCRA 5/13/2025 8:00:00 AM |
HB 184 |
| Housing Alaskans - 2023 Housing Data Takeaways -HB 184 Supporting Doc.pdf |
HCRA 4/29/2025 8:00:00 AM HCRA 5/8/2025 8:00:00 AM HCRA 5/13/2025 8:00:00 AM |
HB 184 |
| HB 184 Supporting Document - AHFC follow-up from HCRA Meeting 5.5.25.pdf |
HCRA 5/8/2025 8:00:00 AM HCRA 5/13/2025 8:00:00 AM |
HB 184 |
| HB 184 Testimony Received by 4.23.25.pdf |
HCRA 4/24/2025 8:00:00 AM HCRA 5/8/2025 8:00:00 AM HCRA 5/13/2025 8:00:00 AM |
HB 184 |
| HB 126 Version N 3.5.25.pdf |
HCRA 5/8/2025 8:00:00 AM |
HB 126 |
| HB 126 Version G 5.2.25.pdf |
HCRA 5/8/2025 8:00:00 AM HCRA 5/13/2025 8:00:00 AM |
HB 126 |