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05/01/2020 01:00 PM House LEGISLATIVE BUDGET & AUDIT
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ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE
LEGISLATIVE BUDGET AND AUDIT COMMITTEE
Anchorage, Alaska
May 1, 2020
1:01 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Representative Chris Tuck, Chair
Representative Neal Foster
Representative Andy Josephson
Representative Ivy Spohnholz (via teleconference)
Representative Mark Neuman (via teleconference)
Representative Jennifer Johnston (alternate, via teleconference)
Senator Click Bishop, Vice Chair
Senator Bert Stedman (via teleconference)
Senator Natasha von Imhof
Senator Cathy Giessel
Senator Lyman Hoffman (via teleconference)
Senator Bill Wielechowski (alternate, via teleconference)
MEMBERS ABSENT
All members present
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT
Representative Bryce Edgmon
Representative Matt Claman
Representative DeLena Johnson
Representative Dan Ortiz
Representative Geran Tarr
Representative Kelly Merrick
Representative Harriet Drummond
Senator Lora Reinbold.
COMMITTEE CALENDAR
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
REVISED PROGRAMS - LEGISLATIVE (RPLs)
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION
No previous action to record
WITNESS REGISTER
PAT PITNEY, Director
Legislative Finance Division
Legislative Affairs Agency
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided information regarding RPLs.
NEIL STEININGER, Director
Office of Management & Budget
Office of the Governor
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions regarding RPLs.
LACEY SANDERS, Director
Administrative Services Section
Department of Education & Early Development
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions during the discussion of
RPLs.
ELIZABETH DUNAYSKI, Director
Central Office
Division of Administrative Services
Department of Public Safety
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided information during discussion of
RPLs.
ROB CARPENTER, Deputy Commissioner
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions during discussion of
RPLs.
ACTION NARRATIVE
1:01:40 PM
CHAIR CHRIS TUCK called the Legislative Budget and Audit
Committee meeting to order at [1:01] p.m. Representatives Tuck,
Foster, Josephson, Spohnholz, Johnston (Alternate) and Senators
Bishop, Stedman, von Imhof, and Giessel were present at the call
to order. Representative Neuman (via teleconference), Senator
Hoffman (via teleconference), and Senator Wielechowski (via
teleconference) arrived as the meeting was in progress. Also
present were Representatives Edgmon, Claman, Ortiz, Tarr,
Merrick, and Drummond and Senator Reinbold.
^Approval of Minutes
Approval of Minutes
1:03:12 PM
CHAIR TUCK announced that the first order of business would be
the approval of minutes.
1:03:20 PM
SENATOR BISHOP made a motion to approve the minutes of the
Legislative Budget and Audit Committee of March 30, 2020. There
being no objection, the minutes from the meeting of March 30,
2020, were approved.
^Revised Programs - Legislative (RPLs)
Revised Programs - Legislative (RPLs)
1:03:35 PM
CHAIR TUCK announced that the final order of business would be
the consideration of Revised Programs - Legislative (RPLs). He
said he would like the committee to consider as many RPLs as it
could legally approve to release as much money as possible to
help the people of Alaska "alleviate some of the effects of the
COVID-19 crisis." He stated his intention that the committee
release more than $124 million today. He stated that a couple
hours ago a revised RPL packet was sent by the governor that
contains over 100 new RPL requests and is more than 270 pages.
He said that "our team" did not have time to review the entire
packet; therefore, it was his intention to give the Legislative
Finance Division and Legislative Legal Services time to review
the RPLs and then reconvene at a later date to address them as
soon as possible.
CHAIR TUCK named those available to inform and answer questions:
Pat Pitney, Kelly Cunningham, Sabrina Javier, and Michael
Partlow, from the Legislative Finance Division; Kris Curtis,
from the Legislative Audit Division; Neil Steininger, from the
Office of Management & Budget; Rob Carpenter, John Binder, Dom
Pannone, Ben White, Matt McLaren, and Mike Lesmann, from the
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities; Lacey Sanders,
from the Department of Education & Early Development; Elizabeth
Dunayski, from the Department of Public Safety; and Megan
Wallace, from Legislative Legal Services.
1:05:47 PM
PAT PITNEY, Director, Legislative Finance Division, Legislative
Affairs Agency, noted that the division had just supplied an
updated packet of RPLs to committee members with minor revisions
made to the six RPLs that were supplied two days ago.
MS. PITNEY began with RPL 05-2020-0074, which is $44,911,411 of
funding through the CARES Act to the Department of Education &
Early Development (DEED). She indicated that $38,407,000 of the
total amount would provide for additional formula funding to
kindergarten through twelfth-grade (K-12) schools, while $6.5
million is the governor's Education Relief Fund. She said the
amount submitted on April 21, 2020, was $48 million. She said,
"Subsequently they know the exact amount. They've also
clarified that it's a [fiscal year 2020] (FY 20) RPL." She
stated there are no technical issues with this RPL and the
intent of the distribution is based on Title I(a) formula
funding and an additional amount to ensure that all K-12 schools
"get an amount." She noted that there is $2.8 million remaining
from "a formal distribution that has not been provided for."
1:08:39 PM
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON asked whether these funds could be used
after July 1.
MS. PITNEY answered that the funding will be allocated to school
districts in FY 20, but the school districts "have access to the
funding going forward." She deferred to Neil Steininger or
Lacey Sanders for further clarification.
1:10:40 PM
NEIL STEININGER, Director, Office of Management & Budget, Office
of the Governor, echoed Ms. Pitney's statement that the funds in
the state budget would be obligated in FY 20 but the grant to
the school "would be available to be spent ... outside of FY
20." He added that there is carry-forward federal receipt
language under the FY 21 budget that can be used by DEED to
carry that revenue forward "and make those commitments at that
time in FY 21, as well."
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON asked what the restriction on these
dollars are "relative to the $30 million that was vetoed."
MR. STEININGER offered his understanding that this money is
intended for Title I eligible activities. He deferred to Ms.
Sanders to supply more specifics.
1:13:00 PM
LACEY SANDERS, Director, Administrative Services Section,
Department of Education & Early Development, stated that federal
guidance provided to DEED states that the funding is to be
allocated to school districts based on the Title I(a) formula;
however, it is clear that "the money is not ... to be spent
based on the Title I funding." She summarized the guidance that
the department received. She said the local educational
agencies have the ability to spend the money on any activities
authorized under two federal Acts, and they can spend it on
emergency response coordination, school leader support,
preparedness, cleaning supplies, education technology, mental
health support, summer learning, and additional COVID-19
response.
1:14:56 PM
MS. PITNEY moved on to RPL 05-2020-0075, DEED, U.S. Department
of Agriculture Families First Coronavirus Response Act (FFCRA).
She said the RPL on April 21 was for $5 million, and the amount
was changed to align with the actual award of $41,869,000 "and
change." She said the money will be available to DEED and
distributed to school districts and other sponsoring state
agencies based on their claims for reimbursement of meals
served. She said the expectation is that the full amount of the
grant will be obligated in FY 20; however, subgrantees can
expend the funds in [FY] 21.
1:16:44 PM
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON asked whether school districts could
use these dollars for "next year's lunch" in order to "free up
assets."
MS. PITNEY deferred to Ms. Sanders.
1:17:36 PM
MS. SANDERS stated that the funding will be allocated to the
school districts based on the claims submitted to DEED for
reimbursement. The claims would be for expenditures from March
through September 2020. The funds do not cover any cost beyond
meal claims.
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON responded that although that answered
his question, what he heard was "not favorable news."
MS. SANDERS added her understanding that when the COVID-19
declaration was announced, school districts "stepped up" and
began providing meals and were asked to track the number of
meals that were being provided. She said the understanding is
that the $42 million can be used as relief for school districts
that have increased the number of meals they would typically
distribute, in response to COVID-19. The money would provide
school districts support.
1:19:28 PM
SENATOR VON IMHOF remarked that no one really knows whether
school will be back to normal operations in the fall; therefore,
she encouraged the committee to consider that it may have to
revisit this topic. She said the onus is on the school
districts to closely track the meals being provided and submit
the claims "in a periodic and timely fashion."
1:20:39 PM
SENATOR GIESSEL directed attention to the first sentence of the
second paragraph of page 2 of the RPL, which read [original
punctuation provided]:
The funds are anticipated to become available during
FY2020 and will be available for obligation through
September 30, 2021.
SENATOR GIESSEL said that that language seems to be in conflict
with language on page 1, which read: "through September 30,
2020." She asked Ms. Sanders if she could reconcile that.
MS. SANDERS answered that the initial guidance the department
received from the U.S. Department of Agriculture indicated that
DEED was going to be receiving funding through September 30,
2021. A few days ago the department received the actual grant
award, which provides the $42 million and clearly outlines the
end date of the grant award as September 30, 2020. She said the
states are working closely with the U.S. Department of Education
to identify whether there will be additional flexibility, as
well as seek clarification as to whether additional funding will
be coming. She concluded, "I believe that this paragraph just
wasn't updated after we received that guidance."
SENATOR GIESSEL directed attention to the final sentence of the
second paragraph of page 2 of the RPL, which read [original
punctuation provided]:
The full amount will be obligated in FY2020, however
sub grantees may be able to expend those funds in
FY2021.
SENATOR GIESSEL asked for clarification that the money could be
committed in FY 20 and spent in FY 21.
MS. SANDERS explained that the end of the fiscal year would be
June 30, 2020, and the award would end on September 30, 2020,
thus the award would cross the two fiscal years.
1:23:12 PM
CHAIR TUCK asked which statement should have been corrected.
MS. SANDERS answered, "I believe the second paragraph on the
second page should be corrected to say: "available for
obligation through September 30, 2020."
1:23:46 PM
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ offered her understanding that Ms.
Sanders had said this RPL is for increased meal claims, but she
pointed to information on page 1, paragraph 4, which uses the
phrase "to meet unexpected feeding needs." She said this is an
important distinction. She asked for confirmation that the
schools would not have to demonstrate an increased number of
meals served in order to claim the funds.
MS. SANDERS suggested perhaps she is using a term differently
from how Representative Spohnholz may consider it. She
explained that there are school districts that are providing an
increased number of meals, which has resulted in an increased
cost to the districts. She said she thinks she and
Representative Spohnholz are saying the same thing. She added
that she agrees with what Representative Spohnholz said.
1:25:31 PM
CHAIR TUCK reminded the committee that it cannot amend an RPL.
Nevertheless, he said he wants to make sure the 9/30/2020 date
is duly noted.
1:25:48 PM
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON posited that what Chair Tuck had just
said was that he amended the RPL.
CHAIR TUCK explained that he just wanted to make sure it was on
the record that "everybody understands it's a typo."
1:26:10 PM
MS. PITNEY proceeded to RPL 05-2020-0076, within DEED, for an
amount of $421,500 via the CARES Act for the Alaska State
Council on the Arts. Planned use of the funds is limited to
salary support for positions critical to the organization's
mission, fees for artists and contractual personnel "to maintain
and expand the period during which the person has engaged," and
facilities costs such as rent and utilities. Ms. Pitney said
there are no technical issues with this RPL. The Alaska State
Council on the Arts consistently receives funding from the
federal government and has existing federal authority. She said
RPL 05-2020-0076 just provides additional dollars that can be
used within the council for grants.
1:27:55 PM
SENATOR VON IMHOF asked whether there is a time frame for
getting out the grants.
1:28:47 PM
SENATOR BISHOP drew Senator von Imhof's attention to the second
paragraph of the second page of the RPL, which relates to
"Timing Issues" and read as follows [original punctuation
provided]:
The CARES Act was passed by Congress and signed into
law on March 27, 2020. The Alaska State Legislature
recessed on March 29, 2020. Given the timing and lack
of guidance provided by the NEA, ASCA did not have
enough information to request an appropriation during
the current legislative process. Documentation of the
amount of funding became available in an email to the
Executive Director from the State Arts Director at the
NEA on April 8, 2020. The award packet will follow in
a few weeks. The funds are imminent as State Arts
Agencies across the nation are also receiving similar
funding and are listed as such on the NEA's website.
Funds will be available to draw down before June 30,
2020. The funds do not lapse, and they can be extended
until spent if not expended by September 30, 2022.
SENATOR VON IMHOF remarked that it is interesting that this RPL
is more generous than that for food and nutrition.
CHAIR TUCK agreed it does seem that way in terms of timing, but
not in terms of money.
1:29:14 PM
MS. PITNEY moved on to RPL 12-2020-4049, Department of Public
Safety (DPS), Alaska State Troopers, Special Projects, which
gives authority to receive a U.S. Department of Justice Byrne-
Justice Assistance Grant Program (Byrne-JAG) grant authorized
through the CARES Act. She said the award has been received by
DPS and will be allocated as follows: $1 million to local law
enforcement agencies on a rolling reimbursement request basis;
$1 million to state criminal justice agencies, which will apply
to DPS for funding; and $1.6 million retained by DPS to address
increased operational costs due to COVID-19. Ms. Pitney related
that today's resubmission of the RPL provided clarity as to how
much of the RPL authority is needed in FY 20 and how much is
needed in FY 21. The approval of the RPL would provide $750,000
for FY 20 and $2.8 million for FY 21. She stated that Byrne-JAG
is commonly administered through DPS, and DPS has current
federal authority.
1:31:41 PM
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON asked whether the three components Ms.
Pitney listed came from the CARES Act or were a creation of the
Office of the Governor.
MS. PITNEY deferred to Mr. Steininger.
1:32:15 PM
MR. STEINGER answered that the distribution was determined by
the department based on an estimate of how much would be
necessary for each of the areas.
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON noted that the corrections officers
that have been exposed to the virus and have tested positive for
it have concerns about accessing these funds and wanted him to
make note of that. Further, he noted that these people were
curious about the designation of $1.6 million to DPS and no
dedication to the Department of Corrections (DOC).
MR. STEININGER responded that currently the way the grant is
administered, the funds go through DPS and can be distributed to
DOC and "other state agencies that have eligibility within this
grant to distribute funds to those state agencies."
1:34:18 PM
SENATOR BISHOP asked Mr. Steininger to reconfirm that the
funding could be, if needed and requested by DOC, allocated to
DOC.
MR. STEININGER answered that is correct.
1:34:36 PM
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN asked whether there were any restrictions
that would prevent DPS from setting up a grant system so that
communities could apply for grant funds for neighborhood watch
programs.
MS. PITNEY said she does not know.
MR. STEININGER suggested someone from DPS could answer that
question.
1:35:41 PM
ELIZABETH DUNAYSKI, Director, Central Office, Division of
Administrative Services, Department of Public Safety, stated
that the nature of the grant does not allow the funding to be
used that way. She explained that the grant is specifically for
costs related to COVID-19 circumstances.
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN indicated he was interested in how DPS
could give outreach to local communities on how to deal with
COVID-19 issues. He said he could follow-up in a discussion
with the department on his own.
1:37:00 PM
MS. PITNEY directed attention to RPL 25-2020-8766, for COVID-19
Federal Transit Administration 5311 grants, which go to the
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities (DOT&PF). The
amount is $29 million. She said DOT&PF traditionally has
funding for the federal transit program (FTP), and this RPL
would add an additional $29 million to an existing capital
project that has $10 million in federal authority from FY 20.
She said this is a grant program that provides expenses for
transit administration recipients, including administrative
leave for transit workers. It notes that the Alaska Marine
Highway System (AMHS) is eligible to apply for the grants. She
said other areas that have applied are communities, as well as
the inter-island ferry operation.
1:39:04 PM
SENATOR VON IMHOF noted that DOT&PF anticipated $10 million to
the Alaska Marine Highway and that left $19 million of the $29
million. She asked whether that could go to the Alaska
Railroad. She questioned what other nonurban transportation
systems Alaska has, such as bus systems, commuter airports, and
interisland ferries. She mentioned airports. She asked Ms.
Pitney what "this other $19 million could be used for?"
MS. PITNEY answered that Juneau and Kodiak, for example, "have
received funding from this in the past." She deferred to a
representative from DOT&PF to provide further clarification.
She added that there are separate grants for over $100 million
in airport funding separately that will be addressed at a later
date.
1:40:46 PM
ROB CARPENTER, Deputy Commissioner, Department of Transportation
& Public Facilities, stated:
So, the FTA grant is a program - we have 13
subgrantees that are in the rural area that's
basically everything but Anchorage and Fairbanks. So,
anything with a bus system or a caravan. Examples
would be Juneau, Kenai, Tok even has some ... caravan
transit-type systems that... Those subgrantees will
receive funding through this. We set aside $10
million for those 13 subgrantees; we set aside $10
million for the [Alaska] Marine Highway System; and we
have $9 in reserve to kind of evaluate how this ...
progresses. And if the subgrantees require additional
money, we'll evaluate as ... time goes by.
SENATOR VON IMHOF asked whether there is a date certain when the
money in reserve has to "go out."
MR. CARPENTER offered his understanding that there is no "lapse
date" imposed by the federal government; therefore, currently
there is no indication that that money will be taken away from
the department. He said the plan is to address costs related to
COVID-19, replace revenue loss, and fund employees and other
costs.
SENATOR VON IMHOF asked Mr. Carpenter whether he is certain that
the money can be used to replace lost revenue.
MR. CARPENTER responded that the intent is to cover lost revenue
that "would have funded their operations."
1:44:35 PM
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON noted that AMHS had "suffered a veto."
He further noted that the guidance language regarding the
current RPL uses the phrase "secondary order effects." He
constructed a hypothetical situation in which AMHS figures that
it will lose "X" dollars during its peak season, May 1 through
mid-September, because "no one wants to come here from the Lower
48" [because of the threat of coronavirus], and it decides that
"we want to submit that through the public transportation and
have a portion of the $29 million paid to it as the division a
of the Department of Transportation [& Public Facilities]." He
asked for help in understanding how this would work. In
response to a request for clarification, he confirmed that he
wants to know whether the $29 million can be used to replace
AMHS revenue.
MR. CARPENTER responded that he thinks the department could [use
the funds for that purpose]; however, he said that is not the
intent of the department. He clarified as follows:
Our intent is to cover the significant costs that were
incurred as a result of having to pay employees. We
had to close down the Ketchikan shipyard in March to
protect employees. We sent a lot of them home;
they're still being, of course, paid almost COVID
leave, to speak of. ... So, like I said, we're trying
to cover costs of the [Alaska] Marine Highway [System]
only, at this point. ... Our revenue is obviously
down a significant amount going into finishing this
fiscal year, and we're not even sure how FY 21 will
proceed, but our intent with this money is
specifically costs of [Alaska] Marine Highway [System]
that we're incurring right now. The ... subgrantees,
however, can use the money that they receive as a
grant to replace their revenues they're losing.
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON, referencing the aforementioned vetoes,
surmised that when the governor spoke about supplanting funds
with federal dollars, he was not speaking about the ferry system
as people think of it - "boats on the water with passengers on
the boats" - but was "thinking about something else, I guess."
1:47:50 PM
CHAIR TUCK said he thinks federal guidance related to the CARES
Act is pretty clear that the funds cannot be used as revenue
replacement but only be used for actions taken to respond to the
public health emergency. He remarked, "So, we say that we can
use it for lost revenue in this case but not these other cases."
He asked for an explanation of what makes this the exception.
1:48:22 PM
MS. PITNEY responded that there are 125-150 different provisions
in the CARES Act, and each one has different definitions. She
said the section of the Corona Virus Relief Fund that provides
the state with $1.25 billion has strict guidance that the funds
cannot be used for government revenue replacement. She said she
had spoken about airport funding, which clearly allows for
revenue replacement. She said although she is not as familiar
with the transit grant, it appears also to have a provision for
revenue replacement. She added that another example of
differences between provisions can be seen in their varying
dates.
1:50:12 PM
REPRESENTATIVE SPOHNHOLZ noted that Mr. Carpenter had said this
RPL applies to transportation in Alaska other than in Anchorage
and Fairbanks. She asked whether there are any other revenue
streams available for those urban transportation systems.
MR. CARPENTER answered that Anchorage and Fairbanks receive FTA
money separately outside the rural funding requested for
subgrantees. He added that Anchorage and Fairbanks receive
money directly from the federal government, not through the
State of Alaska.
1:51:17 PM
SENATOR BISHOP asked Mr. Carpenter to confirm his assumption
that some of the rural villages and incorporated second-class
cities in Alaska would be able to apply for this funding, as
well.
MR. CARPENTER confirmed that is 100 percent correct; the funds
are available to any community that operates a transit system.
1:52:18 PM
MS. PITNEY brought attention to the final item on the agenda,
RPL 45-2020-0002, University of Alaska, for the amount of $5
million and for FY 20. She said the University of Alaska is
receiving almost $7.9 million through the CARES Act funding,
through the Education Stabilization Fund, and it is split into
two components: 50 percent to students for emergency student
aid; and 50 percent anticipated as being available for more
general relief for university operations and lost revenue, with
more guidance expected. She explained the reason that the
University of Alaska is requesting $5 million in receipt
authority rather than $7.9 million, is because it already has
existing receipt authority and is asking for what it needs and
"to have the authority in the right appropriation."
CHAIR TUCK summarized the final RPL and ascertained that there
were no questions from the committee.
1:54:35 PM
The committee took an at-ease from 1:54 p.m. to 1:55 p.m.
1:55:15 PM
SENATOR BISHOP moved that the Legislative Budget and Audit
Committee approve the following RPLs: RPL 05-2020-0074
(Department of Education and Early Development U.S. Department
of Education CARES Act), as revised on May 1, 2020; RPL 05-2020-
0075 (Department of Education and Early Development U.S.
Department of Agriculture FFCRA and CARES Act), as revised on
May 1, 2020; RPL 05-2020-0076 (Department of Education and Early
Development National Endowment for the Arts CARES Act), as
revised on May 1, 2020; RPL 12-2020-4049 (Department of Public
Safety USDOJ Byrne-JAG CARES Act), as submitted on April 21,
2020; RPL 25-2020-8766 (Department of Transportation and Public
Facilities FY2020 COVID-19 Federal Transit Administration 5311
Grants), as revised on May 1, 2020; and RPL 45-2020-0002
(University of Alaska CARES Act Federal Funding Opportunities),
as revised on May 1, 2020.
SENATOR BISHOP noted that the passage of these RPLs while the
legislature is still in session "represents action taken during
an unprecedented public health disaster" and "does not represent
an abrogation of the legislature's preeminent [constitutional]
appropriation authority."
CHAIR TUCK announced that there being no objection, the RPLs
were approved.
1:58:24 PM
CHAIR TUCK spoke about unprecedented times occurring and the
high profile of the committee as a result of getting the funds
out to communities. He thanked the Division of Legislative
Finance, Legislative Legal Services, the Office of Management &
Budget, the Department of Law, the Office of the Governor, and
the many other state agencies that have taken part in this
process. He said industries are hurting, communities are
strained, and Alaskans need relief; therefore, he looked forward
to continuing discussion on the topic the following week.
1:59:30 PM
ADJOURNMENT
The Legislative Budget and Audit Committee meeting was recessed
at 1:59 p.m. to be reconvened at 1:00 p.m. on May 6, 2020. [The
meeting was never reconvened; a new meeting was scheduled and
held on May 11, 2020.]
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects |
|---|---|---|
| 20-05-01 Agenda.pdf |
JBUD 5/1/2020 1:00:00 PM |
|
| Updated RPL Packet for May 1 Meeting.pdf |
JBUD 5/1/2020 1:00:00 PM |