Legislature(2013 - 2014)BUTROVICH 205

03/29/2013 03:30 PM RESOURCES

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                 SR   5-CHINOOK BY-CATCH LIMITS                                                                             
3:33:27 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL announced that SR 5 was up for consideration.                                                                     
SENATOR  MICCICHE  moved  to  adopt  Committee  Substitute  (CS),                                                               
[labeled 28-LS0568\C],  as the working  document. He  asked prior                                                               
to  adoption that  one change  be  made on  page 3,  line 21,  to                                                               
delete the word "require" and insert the word "encourage."                                                                      
CHAIR  GIESSEL, hearing  no  objection, stated  that  the CS  was                                                               
adopted. She asked if Senator  Micciche would like to present the                                                               
SENATOR  MICCICHE,  speaking  as prime  sponsor,  introduced  the                                                               
resolution with the following statement:                                                                                        
     Our    recreational,   subsistence,    and   commercial                                                                    
     fisheries  had faced  dramatic short  falls of  Chinook                                                                    
     salmon  in  recent  years,  it  has  caused  a  lot  of                                                                    
     hardships for  Alaska residents.  The economic  loss is                                                                    
     due  to a  low  abundance of  Chinook  salmon, in  2012                                                                    
     alone in sport and  commercial fisheries in Alaska were                                                                    
     over  $34   million,  not  including   the  significant                                                                    
     effects  on   subsistence  and   personal-use  resource                                                                    
     An example, in your district  and mine, and last summer                                                                    
     I was  the mayor of  a sport fishing town  of Soldotna,                                                                    
     I'm also a  commercial fisherman in Cook  Inlet, but it                                                                    
     began as  a very  promising year throughout  the state,                                                                    
     and  ended in  an economic  disaster, many  not knowing                                                                    
     how they  would get through  the winter. They  pulled a                                                                    
     symposium together last year and  they are working on a                                                                    
     lot  of  the  gaps  on understanding  how  to  maintain                                                                    
     sustainable  stocks of  Chinook  salmon throughout  the                                                                    
     state. But,  one of  the problems  facing us  is salmon                                                                    
     by-catch in  the Bering Sea  and Gulf of  Alaska trawl-                                                                    
     fisheries.  According to  a 2013  report  by the  North                                                                    
     Pacific  Fisheries Management  Council,  the five  year                                                                    
     average  total for  Chinook  salmon  by-catch in  these                                                                    
     fisheries  was  40,621  fish.  I  am  not  blaming  the                                                                    
     failure  of   our  Chinook  salmon  fisheries   on  the                                                                    
     trawlers, I  want that perfectly clear.  But those fish                                                                    
     if  they had  not  intercepted would  have returned  to                                                                    
     Alaska  waters and  provided  harvest opportunities  as                                                                    
     well as the escapement we need.                                                                                            
     This   resolution  simply   asks   the  North   Pacific                                                                    
     Fisheries Management  Council to take action  to reduce                                                                    
     the level  of Chinook  by-catch in  the Bering  Sea and                                                                    
     the Gulf of Alaska trawl  fisheries to at least half of                                                                    
     the current  limits. In  this time  of low  king salmon                                                                    
     abundance, it is critical  that unintended mortality be                                                                    
     reduced and this resolution is  an attempt to address a                                                                    
     known cause  of substantial mortality and  help restore                                                                    
     strong  king salmon  runs  in our  rivers.  In a  state                                                                    
     where folks  seem to really  enjoy fighting  over fish,                                                                    
     support of  this resolution represents one  of the rare                                                                    
     incidences of  an issue where all  fishing Alaskans are                                                                    
     united.  In  your packets  you  will  see support  from                                                                    
     commercial  support and  subsistent  users form  around                                                                    
     the state including the  Association of Village Council                                                                    
     Presidents,  the Tanana  Chiefs  Conference, the  Yukon                                                                    
     River Drainage  Fisheries Association,  Kenai Peninsula                                                                    
     Borough  Assembly, Cooper  Landing Advisory  Committee,                                                                    
     Alaska  Marine   Conservation  Council,   the  Kenaitze                                                                    
     Indian Tribe,  and I  have a  list of  individuals that                                                                    
     have also commented favorably.                                                                                             
     Madam Chair, this resolution is  not about blame, since                                                                    
     I do  not believe any  type of gear-type  of commercial                                                                    
     fishing,  sport  fishing,  or  subsistence  fishing  is                                                                    
     responsible   for   the   low  abundance   of   Chinook                                                                    
     fisheries.  I  honestly  believe that  trawl  fisheries                                                                    
     have worked very hard to  reduce Chinook by-catch. This                                                                    
     resolution is  simply about  returning as  many Chinook                                                                    
     to our river systems to  spawn as possible to hopefully                                                                    
     allow  our  natural  cycles  to  return  to  our  river                                                                    
     systems and return them to  systems of abundance, every                                                                    
     fish  matters.  While   our  constituents  suffer  from                                                                    
     sport,  commercial, and  subsistence closures,  and our                                                                    
     lodges suffer  from cancelations  or simply  asking for                                                                    
     the trawl fisheries and  individual trawl fishing boats                                                                    
     to  do better,  the  best they  can.  For example,  the                                                                    
     highest  boat so  far this  year has  reported catching                                                                    
     980  Chinook salmon,  which is  eight  times more  King                                                                    
     salmon then  all of the  fish catch by  sport fisherman                                                                    
     on the  Kenai River system  last summer, and  there are                                                                    
     three quarters left to go  in the year. This resolution                                                                    
     is about spreading the effort.                                                                                             
     Madam  Chair, you  and I  faced 450  of the  commercial                                                                    
     fishing  families in  our two  districts  on the  Kenai                                                                    
     that  were  out  of  work   last  summer.  While  sport                                                                    
     fishing,  subsistence,  and commercial  fisherman  were                                                                    
     severely  restricted throughout  the  state, the  trawl                                                                    
     fisheries were fishing as  usual without absorbing much                                                                    
     of the  economic challenge of  the other  fisheries and                                                                    
     fishermen. This  resolution simply asks  more fisheries                                                                    
     to  share  the  burden  of the  road  to  recovery  for                                                                    
     Alaska's coastal runs of Chinook salmon.                                                                                   
CHAIR GIESSEL opened public testimony.                                                                                          
3:39:08 PM                                                                                                                    
ANGIE  WHITMAN, representing  herself, Bethel,  Alaska, said  the                                                               
issue  was one  of injustice  with one  group allowed  to legally                                                               
waste  Alaska's  salmon  resource while  the  Kuskokwim  region's                                                               
residents  were severely  restricted, issued  citations, made  to                                                               
appear in court, and paid fines.  She continued that it was great                                                               
to have the resolution and  thanked Senator Micciche, because the                                                               
Bethel  region  needed  the reduction  in  salmon  by-catch.  She                                                               
stated that  it was too  bad that other  areas of the  state were                                                               
affected by the incredible by-catch  numbers. She said the Bethel                                                               
region  had  to fight  for  reduction  of interception  of  their                                                               
salmon resources back  in 2004 regarding Area-M, and  a few years                                                               
later for the high seas  trawl fisheries waste termed "by-catch."                                                               
She stated that it  was too bad that so much  attention had to be                                                               
placed  on  the by-catch  problem  when  so many  other  problems                                                               
require  attention; such  as the  high cost  of living  expenses,                                                               
drug abuse,  and school  educational. She  stressed that  she was                                                               
trying  to  word her  statement  in  such  a  way that  it  would                                                               
resonate with the legislators until  the injustice was corrected.                                                               
She said  she was  trying to  assure that  the Bethel  region had                                                               
their  dried  fish and  other  subsistence  which Chinook  salmon                                                               
provided. She emphasized that a  dollar value could not be placed                                                               
on the Chinook salmon and  noted that regional grocery stores did                                                               
not  sell the  bounty  that Chinook  salmon  provided the  Bethel                                                               
region. She  explained that fisheries disaster  declarations only                                                               
replaced business associated losses,  but not the losses incurred                                                               
by hundreds of  individuals who went without  Chinook salmon last                                                               
summer. She said while her  region's salmon resources were wasted                                                               
on the  high seas, the Bethel  area was told to  conserve and not                                                               
to  fish. She  noted that  there  were low  numbers of  returning                                                               
Chinook salmon  and asked that  the Bethel region's  resources be                                                               
returned to  them. She stated that  SR 5 was a  worthy resolution                                                               
and  asked the  legislature to  put an  end to  the waste  of the                                                               
region's precious salmon resource.                                                                                              
3:43:19 PM                                                                                                                    
PETE WEDIN, Advocate, Alaska  Marine Conservation Council (AMCC),                                                               
Homer, Alaska, said AMCC was  a family of seafood harvesters from                                                               
all  over Alaska,  including: fishermen,  subsistence harvesters,                                                               
marine scientists,  small business owners, and  families. He said                                                               
our  ways of  life, livelihoods,  and local  economies depend  on                                                               
productive  ocean.  He  said  AMCC   believed  that  the  coastal                                                               
residents  have  a  valuable and  unique  perspective  on  marine                                                               
ecosystem   with   a   right  to   meaningful   and   influential                                                               
participation  in fishery  management decisions.  He stated  that                                                               
AMCC thanked Senator Micciche for introducing SR 5.                                                                             
He said  the Gulf  of Alaska  non-pollock trawl  fishery operated                                                               
without a  Chinook salmon by-catch-cap.  He noted that  the North                                                               
Pacific  Fisheries  Management Council  (NPFMC)  set  a 2012  by-                                                               
catch-cap on  the Pollock  fishery that was  higher than  the ten                                                               
year  average. He  explained  that a  25,000  Chinook salmon  cap                                                               
would prevent  the high by-catch of  54,000 in 2010, but  the cap                                                               
still would  not represent a  meaningful reduction.  He indicated                                                               
that a 5,000 fish-cap on the  non-pollock fleet would be the best                                                               
choice to  reduce the waste of  the Chinook salmon. He  said SR 5                                                               
addressed what  AMCC believed to  be the best  alternative, given                                                               
the  motion before  NPFMC, by  placing a  cap on  the non-pollock                                                               
trawl fishery in  the Gulf of Alaska. He noted  that SR 5 further                                                               
advocates for  NPFMC to  explore ways to  reduce all  by-catch in                                                               
the  other trawl  fisheries in  the Bering  Sea and  the Gulf  of                                                               
Alaska. He summarized  that the Chinook salmon  were important to                                                               
his region and asked the committee to pass SR 5.                                                                                
3:46:30 PM                                                                                                                    
JULIE  BONNEY, Executive  Director, Alaska  Groundfish Data  Bank                                                               
(AGDB),  Kodiak, Alaska,  explained that  AGDB members  were both                                                               
shore-side processors  and trawl  catcher vessels  that supported                                                               
fishery economies in Alaska coastal  communities. She stated that                                                               
AGDB was sympathetic to the  Chinook salmon directed users due to                                                               
the  recent  poor Chinook  salmon  runs.  She asserted  that  the                                                               
entire  topic of  salmon by-catch  was extremely  complicated, an                                                               
issue that  stakeholders in the  federal fisheries and  NPFMC had                                                               
spent time to reduce and mitigate by-catch impact.                                                                              
MS. BONNEY said it was  important for the committee to understand                                                               
that  the Gulf  of Alaska  and Bering  Sea trawl  industries were                                                               
completely different,  both in terms  of the Chinook  salmon that                                                               
were caught  and the fishery  management pools available  for the                                                               
fleet to reduce Chinook salmon by-catch.                                                                                        
She explained that  Chinook salmon by-catch taken in  the Gulf of                                                               
Alaska trawl fisheries were not  coastal Western Alaska stock, 99                                                               
percent of the 2011 genetic samples  were from the Gulf of Alaska                                                               
and Pacific coast  region. She specified that  the Chinook salmon                                                               
by-catch in the Gulf of Alaska was as follows:                                                                                  
   · 40 percent from British Columbia,                                                                                          
   · 26 percent from the Pacific Northwest,                                                                                     
   · 14 percent from Southeast Alaska.                                                                                          
She indicated that the three  regions previously noted had a huge                                                               
amount  of hatchery  production with  200  to 250  million fry  a                                                               
year. She explained that  AGDB's environmental findings indicated                                                               
that Chinook  salmon survival was  high in the  Pacific Northwest                                                               
and Canada.  She said fishermen  represented by AGDB  were seeing                                                               
greater numbers  of Chinook  salmon on  the fishing  grounds from                                                               
British  Columbia,   Pacific  Northwest,  and   Southeast  Alaska                                                               
She stated that  the other part that was  important to understand                                                               
was that  fishermen in the Gulf  of Alaska operated under  a race                                                               
for  fish,   which  is  a   perverse  environment   for  by-catch                                                               
reductions. She explained that the  guy that catches the most by-                                                               
catch  potentially catches  the most  target fish  and makes  the                                                               
most money.                                                                                                                     
She summarized  that by-catch  was a  very complicated  issue and                                                               
the Gulf of Alaska and the Bering Sea were not the same.                                                                        
CHAIR GIESSEL asked if Ms. Bonney opposed SR 5.                                                                                 
MS. BONNEY responded that there was  a lot of information in SR 5                                                               
that  was not  correct and  offered  to go  line-by-line to  make                                                               
corrections.  She stated  that  she preferred  [HR  6] where  the                                                               
trawl  industry  and  NPFMC  were complemented  for  all  of  the                                                               
efforts they made. She said AGDB would continue to make efforts.                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  commented that he  was aware of the  facts that                                                               
Ms. Bonney had brought up. He  noted that the CS was identical to                                                               
the House  version and  stated that the  changes made  might make                                                               
AGDB more comfortable.                                                                                                          
3:50:06 PM                                                                                                                    
STEVEN BRANSON, Advocate,  Crewman's Association, Kodiak, Alaska,                                                               
said the Crewman's Association,  Kodiak, Alaska, represented 1200                                                               
intermittent  members  and the  largest  faction  of the  fishing                                                               
force  and the  largest  labor force  in the  state.  He said  he                                                               
supported SR 5 and addressed  the incorrect information NPFMC was                                                               
He noted being  in contact with trawl crewman  who mentioned deck                                                               
loads  of by-catch  King Salmon.  He asserted  that one  does not                                                               
report by-catch all the way  and compared the practice to drivers                                                               
of cars  having to  ticket themselves  for speeding.  He asserted                                                               
that there would  be a lot fewer speeding tickets  if drivers had                                                               
to self-ticket.                                                                                                                 
He noted the  new observer program they have  seen through random                                                               
choosing of boats  to observe a reduction in the  amount of trawl                                                               
observation  and an  increase in  the amount  of small  boat pot-                                                               
fishing that  are less damaging  fisheries. He said with  a large                                                               
net you could  make large mistakes in a short  amount of time. He                                                               
pointed  out  that  laws  made   regarding  fisheries  should  be                                                               
accompanied by increased observer  coverage. He said his colleges                                                               
recommended  100 percent  observer  coverage  on the  low-dollar,                                                               
high  by-catch  fisheries  that would  give  the  scientific  and                                                               
statistical  committee  better  ammunition to  inform  NPFMC.  He                                                               
summarized  that laws  and limits  mean nothing  without observer                                                               
3:52:37 PM                                                                                                                    
TERRY HAINES,  representing himself, Kodiak, Alaska,  said he was                                                               
a  local  commercial fisherman  and  served  on the  Kodiak  City                                                               
Council. He  asserted that  one resource  should never  be traded                                                               
for  another. He  noted concern  for high  levels of  by-catch in                                                               
species that  were experiencing decreasing abundance.  He said it                                                               
was  important to  increase the  observer  coverage in  fisheries                                                               
where high  levels of  by-catch were  already being  observed for                                                               
decreased-abundance species. He stated  that 100 percent observer                                                               
coverage would  provide a  much better  baseline to  increase the                                                               
understanding  of what  was  going on.  He  advised that  genetic                                                               
sampling would  provide a  better look at  where the  salmon were                                                               
coming from and going. He said he supported SR 5.                                                                               
3:54:20 PM                                                                                                                    
BECCA  ROBBINS GISCLAIR,  Senior Fisheries  Advisor, Yukon  River                                                               
Drainage Fisheries  Association (YRDFA), Anchorage,  Alaska, said                                                               
YRDFA was  a group of  subsistence and commercial  fishermen that                                                               
encompassed the  length of  the Yukon River  in Alaska.  She said                                                               
YRDFA  supported  SR 5.  She  explained  the Bering  Sea  Chinook                                                               
salmon by-catch as follows:                                                                                                     
   · Severe declines on the Yukon River over the past five                                                                      
   · Federal fishery disasters have been declared for every year                                                                
     since 2008;                                                                                                                
   · No commercially directed Chinook salmon fishery for the                                                                    
     past five years;                                                                                                           
   · Unable to provide the annual amounts necessary for                                                                         
     subsistence which is designated by the Alaska Board of                                                                     
   · The 2012 subsistence harvest was roughly half of the                                                                       
     historic average.                                                                                                          
She stressed that the information  was more than numbers, but the                                                               
impact extended  to people's  culture and  food on  their tables.                                                               
She said the  cause for the decline was not  known, but YRDFA was                                                               
faced  with controlling  what they  were  able to  react to.  She                                                               
pointed out that there were  reductions in river-run fisheries in                                                               
order  to enable  fish to  reach spawning  grounds. She  stressed                                                               
that it was  important to reduce the [salmon]  mortality from by-                                                               
catch  as  well.  She  commented that  the  most  recent  genetic                                                               
studies  indicated that  over 70  percent of  the Chinook  salmon                                                               
taken  as by-catch  was from  Western Alaska's  stocks, virtually                                                               
all of  which were  declining and  struggling. She  stressed that                                                               
maintaining the by-catch  limit at 60,000 fish as  an upper limit                                                               
would  be  absolutely  devastating.  She  summarized  that  YRDFA                                                               
supported SR 5 and asked for by-catch reduction.                                                                                
3:56:39 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVE BEEBE, representing himself,  Kupreanof, Alaska, said he was                                                               
a  commercial  fisherman  for   Individual  Fishing  Quota  (IFQ)                                                               
halibut, Dungeness crab, and sea  cucumbers. He noted that he was                                                               
a  member  of  the  advisory   committee  to  the  North  Pacific                                                               
Anadromous Fish  Commission (NPAFC). He stated  that his position                                                               
with  NPAFC  had provided  him  with  an opportunity  to  receive                                                               
information  directly  from individuals  such  as  Eric Volk  and                                                               
others who  were following [by-catch  in Alaska]. He  pointed out                                                               
that Mr.  Volk and others  were profoundly struck by  the decline                                                               
in  Alaska's  Chinook  salmon  populations.  He  stated  that  he                                                               
strongly  supported the  reductions  of Bering  Sea  and Gulf  of                                                               
Alaska trawl  fisheries. He said  he supported SR  5 and HR  6 in                                                               
regards to  by-catch reduction. He  said that one of  the state's                                                               
primary  obligations  was  to   subsistence  cultures  and  their                                                               
extreme  resource dependence  upon Chinook  salmon. He  explained                                                               
that due  to profound population  decline, it was  incumbent upon                                                               
everyone to look particularly closely  at by-catch and waste that                                                               
was well documented in the trawl fisheries.                                                                                     
SENATOR   FAIRCLOUGH  asked   for  Mr.   Beebe  to   restate  his                                                               
MR. BEEBE answered that he was speaking for himself.                                                                            
SENATOR FAIRCLOUGH  replied that  she thought he  mentioned NPFMC                                                               
and asked if he served on the council.                                                                                          
MR.  BEEBE answered  that he  was  on the  advisory committee  to                                                               
3:59:21 PM                                                                                                                    
TIM SMITH,  President, Nome Fisherman's Association  (NFA), Nome,                                                               
Alaska,  said   NFA  was  a   group  of  sport,   commercial  and                                                               
subsistence  fishermen in  the Norton  Sound Region.  He said  he                                                               
fully supported SR 5.                                                                                                           
He indicated  that SR  5 was  something Alaska  needed to  do and                                                               
commended  the legislature  for putting  it forward.  He said  he                                                               
attended the meetings  where NPFMC set the  King salmon by-catch-                                                               
caps for  both the Bering Sea  and the Gulf of  Alaska. He stated                                                               
that he was  really discouraged and disappointed  with the Alaska                                                               
delegates  to  NPFMC for  not  being  more  active in  getting  a                                                               
reasonable cap set. He noted  that the resolution's calling for a                                                               
[by-catch]   reduction   from   60,000  to   30,000   was   fully                                                               
biologically supportable.                                                                                                       
He  asserted  that Norton  Sound  had  been forgotten  until  the                                                               
important fisheries started to experience  the same problems that                                                               
Norton Sound had  been experiencing for 30 years.  He stated that                                                               
the  northern   Norton  Sound  region   had  three   King  salmon                                                               
population. He  said in  2012, the three  salmon runs  were below                                                               
100 individuals and noted as follows:                                                                                           
   · Pilgrim River had 64 King salmon;                                                                                          
   · Boston Creek had not been counted since 2005, the last                                                                     
     count was 29 King salmon;                                                                                                  
   · Kwiniuk River had 36 King salmon.                                                                                          
MR. SMITH explained  that the Alaska Department of  Fish and Game                                                               
(ADFG) said  it takes  200 pairs  of King salmon  to be  a viable                                                               
stock.  He  noted that  the  three  runs  he had  mentioned  were                                                               
biologically extinct  and were as  endangered as any  King salmon                                                               
or salmon population  in the U.S. He said for  some reason Norton                                                               
Sound's low salmon  runs was being missed. He  said the situation                                                               
with salmon management  was a real constitutional  issue and what                                                               
was  happening in  Norton Sound  with  King salmon  could not  be                                                               
called sustained yield. He asserted  that the Alaska Constitution                                                               
required management  for sustained  yield. He stated  that Norton                                                               
Sound was at  a point where the King salmon  populations were not                                                               
even going to survive, let alone produce any kind of yield.                                                                     
He said  he did not  think it  was possible to  currently harvest                                                               
pollock  without destroying  King salmon  runs and  stressed that                                                               
another way be found. He asserted  that he would be fine with not                                                               
taking  the entire  population  tact every  year.  He noted  that                                                               
pollock  were   long-lived  fish  and  would   be  available  for                                                               
harvesting  a   year  later.  He   summarized  that   the  Alaska                                                               
Constitution  required   that  King  salmon  stocks   had  to  be                                                               
4:02:52 PM                                                                                                                    
STEPHANIE   MADSEN,   Executive   Director,   At-sea   Processors                                                               
Association  (APA), Juneau,  Alaska,  said APA  was  one of  four                                                               
sectors in  the Bering  Sea pollock  fishery. She  explained that                                                               
APA was the offshore component for  a fleet that was only allowed                                                               
to fish in the Bering Sea.                                                                                                      
She informed  the committee  that the  Bering Sea's  four sectors                                                               
included  the Community  Development  Quota  (CDQ) Program  which                                                               
received  10 percent  "off the  top," and  the remaining  sectors                                                               
split between  the catcher-processor fleet that  APA represented.                                                               
She explained that the catcher-vessels that delivered to mother-                                                                
ships  received 10  percent  and  catcher-shoreside vessels  that                                                               
encompassed the inshore-sector received 50 percent of the quota.                                                                
She concurred that  NPFMC established a high cap  of 60,000 [King                                                               
salmon]. She  detailed that if  APA violated the level  of 47,000                                                               
[by-catch] in  any seven years,  APA would  have to abide  with a                                                               
47,000 [by-catch-cap] for the remaining  life of that action. She                                                               
explained  that a  cap was  a  way to  shut down  a fishery.  She                                                               
asserted that  the unique by-catch-cap  proposal did  not provide                                                               
incentive for the  fleet and individual vessels to  do their best                                                               
in every instance, every day.                                                                                                   
MS.  MADSEN  explained the  NPFMC  by-catch-cap  would allow  APA                                                               
access to  60,000 in  very unusual  years with  expectations that                                                               
APA could  live with  a much  lower cap  by reducing  by-catch in                                                               
every level of pollock and salmon  abundance. She said APA had to                                                               
annually meet with NPFMC and  demonstrate how its incentives were                                                               
working. She  stated that APA's  incentives were approved  by the                                                               
National Marine  Fisheries. She said  APA was meeting  with NPFMC                                                               
the following week  to address how their  incentives were working                                                               
and noted that APA's second annual  report to NPFMC was due April                                                               
She explained  that APA's Bering Sea  program for catcher-process                                                               
was a  by-catch avoidance area.  She detailed that  APA monitored                                                               
pollock  and Chinook  catches and  identified by-catch  avoidance                                                               
areas. She said APA shared  information with its fleet. She noted                                                               
that vessels that  performed below a certain  level were excluded                                                               
from the avoidance area. She  reported that vessels that failed a                                                               
test  were out  of the  designated area  for one  week, a  second                                                               
failed  test  meant a  two  week  exclusion. She  said  excluding                                                               
vessels would  have a huge impact  on catch-and-process platforms                                                               
that required  a constant flow.  She reiterated that  [Bering Sea                                                               
by-catch]  was complex  and she  dealt with  its challenges  on a                                                               
daily basis.                                                                                                                    
4:05:58 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DYSON asked  beyond avoiding areas with  high King salmon                                                               
activities,  what practical  practices  were used  to avoid  King                                                               
salmon by-catch.                                                                                                                
MS.  MADSEN   explained  that  APA  used   salmon-excluders  that                                                               
separated salmon from pollock.                                                                                                  
SENATOR DYSON asked if there were any other methods used.                                                                       
MS. MADSEN  answered increased  communication between  the fleet.                                                               
She noted  that a vessel  could be shut  down if it  exceeded its                                                               
SENATOR  DYSON asked  if the  feedback loop  was shared  with the                                                               
MS. MADSEN answered yes.                                                                                                        
SENATOR DYSON  asked if King  salmon information was  shared with                                                               
MS.  MADSEN   responded  that   the  information   was  certainly                                                               
available, but  conceded that she was  not sure if ADFG  was on a                                                               
weekly e-mail list.                                                                                                             
SENATOR  MICCICHE thanked  Ms. Madsen  for  her presentation.  He                                                               
said he  was hesitant  to add  the praises that  were put  in the                                                               
resolution,  but  conceded to  being  happy  to now  having  them                                                               
included.  He  asserted that  SR  5  was  not  a blame  game  and                                                               
remarked that  APA had done  a good  job. He emphasized  that the                                                               
situation with  King salmon  was an  emergency with  thousands of                                                               
Alaskans out  of work or wondering  what was going to  fill their                                                               
freezers. He stated  that SR 5 was a strong  request for everyone                                                               
to  work   together  better  to   further  reduce   by-catch.  He                                                               
emphasized that  SR 5 should not  be viewed as an  intent to shut                                                               
down Alaska's trawl fisheries. He  noted that the trawlers played                                                               
an important role in getting  Alaska's seafood to global markets,                                                               
a role  that he  wanted to  see continue. He  said he  would work                                                               
with  APA to  make  sure  APA continued  fishing  in addition  to                                                               
getting  every  possible  King  salmon back  to  the  rivers  and                                                               
restore normalcy.                                                                                                               
MS. MADSEN replied that Senator  Micciche could rest assured that                                                               
her  capacity for  dealing  with the  skippers  and vessels  that                                                               
salmon would remain on their minds every day.                                                                                   
4:09:01 PM                                                                                                                    
RICKY  GEASE,   Executive  Director,  Kenai   River  Sportfishing                                                               
Association  (KRSA), Soldotna,  Alaska, said  KRSA was  a 501(c)3                                                               
fishery conservation  organization representing some of  the over                                                               
100,000  anglers who  liked to  fish for  King salmon  throughout                                                               
Southcentral  Alaska and  the  rest  of Alaska.  He  said just  a                                                               
decade ago, the Kenai River King  salmon fishery was rated as the                                                               
number  one  sport  fishery  in   North  America,  an  impressive                                                               
statement for  all of  the different  sport fisheries  all across                                                               
the country including: Florida, the  [Gulf of Mexico], San Diego,                                                               
and all  of the  other places.  He said  Field and  Stream stated                                                               
that  the Kenai  was the  "top dog"  for fisheries.  He disclosed                                                               
that  the  Kenai, Norton  Sound,  Yukon,  Kuskokwim, Cook  Inlet,                                                               
Kodiak, Copper River,  had all seen dramatic  declines in Chinook                                                               
He  divulged that  ADFG recently  dealt with  the Chinook  salmon                                                               
problem in the Cook Inlet by  reducing the escapement goal by one                                                               
third for late  run Kenai River King salmon. He  stated that KRSA                                                               
did  not agree  with ADFG's  decision because  KRSA believed  the                                                               
problem was  further exasperated  in the  long term.  He asserted                                                               
that management plans  were developed in times  of high abundance                                                               
and  reevaluation  was  required  to address  low  abundance.  He                                                               
stated that  NPFMC should take  the same approach  and reevaluate                                                               
by-catch limits for the Bering Sea and the Gulf of Alaska.                                                                      
MR.  GEASE said  the Bering  Sea had  many more  tools to  reduce                                                               
Chinook  salmon  by-catch that  could  be  used  in the  Gulf  of                                                               
Alaska. He  suggested that catch-shares could  be introduced into                                                               
the  Gulf  of Alaska.  He  conceded  that catch-shares  would  be                                                               
controversial  in the  Gulf of  Alaska  fisheries. He  emphasized                                                               
that  the time  had  come to  bite  the bullet  due  to the  King                                                               
salmon's rapid decline in Southcentral  Alaska. He explained that                                                               
King salmon from Southcentral Alaska  accounted for 30 percent of                                                               
the Gulf  of Alaska's catch.  He stressed that even  thousands of                                                               
fish could make a difference.                                                                                                   
He recommended that three points be added to SR 5 as follows:                                                                   
   1. Encourage NPFMC to obtain by-catch research data from the                                                                 
     observer program for: age, size, length, fat content,                                                                      
     stomach content to identify food source, and how robust the                                                                
     salmon were at the one to three year old stages.                                                                           
   2. Ascertain harvest data from the observer program in the                                                                   
     Gulf of  Alaska. He  conceded that people  would have  to be                                                               
     placed on  vessels and  that was  not desired.  He suggested                                                               
     using   time-stamped   video   data  to   develop   hot-spot                                                               
     capabilities that was used in the Bering Sea.                                                                              
   3. Initiate incentives used in the Bering Sea by trading                                                                     
     quotas between vessels to discourage racing to fish and not                                                                
     being rewarded for having high King salmon by-catch.                                                                       
SENATOR MICCICHE said  he would talk to Mr. Gease  on some of the                                                               
specific data possibilities on a  limited basis to see what might                                                               
fit. He pointed out that SR 5 had a zero fiscal note.                                                                           
CHAIR  GIESSEL stated  that finding  no further  comments, public                                                               
testimony was closed.                                                                                                           
4:13:04 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DYSON moved that the committee  move CS for SR 5, version                                                               
C, from  committee with individual recommendations  with attached                                                               
fiscal note(s).                                                                                                                 
CHAIR  GIESSEL  announced  that without  objection,  CSSR  5(RES)                                                               
moved from the Senate Resources Standing Committee.                                                                             

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SR 5 vs N.pdf SRES 3/29/2013 3:30:00 PM
SR 5
SR 5 Fiscal Note PDF.pdf SRES 3/29/2013 3:30:00 PM
SR 5
SR 5 Chinook Bycatch Management Timeline.PDF SRES 3/29/2013 3:30:00 PM
SR 5
SR 5 North Pacific Fishery Management Council - Update on Chinook Bycatch 2013.02.18.PDF SRES 3/29/2013 3:30:00 PM
SR 5
SR 5 Cooper Landing Advisory Committee Resolution 2013.02.26.PDF SRES 3/29/2013 3:30:00 PM
SR 5
SR 5 Tanana Chiefs Bycatch Resolution 2013.03.08.PDF SRES 3/29/2013 3:30:00 PM
SR 5
SR 5 Oppose Ak Whitefish Trawlers 2013 03 28.docx SRES 3/29/2013 3:30:00 PM
SR 5
SR 5 Kenai Peninsula Borough Resolution 2013.02.05.PDF SRES 3/29/2013 3:30:00 PM
SR 5
SR 5 AVCP Bycatch Resolution 2013.03.05.PDF SRES 3/29/2013 3:30:00 PM
SR 5
SR 5 Yukon River Drainage Fisheries Association Resolution 2013.02.14.PDF SRES 3/29/2013 3:30:00 PM
SR 5
SR 5 Supp Letter Jack's Alaska Lodge 2013.03.27.PDF SRES 3/29/2013 3:30:00 PM
SR 5
SR 5 Supp Letter Bremicker 2013.03.23.PDF SRES 3/29/2013 3:30:00 PM
SR 5
SR 5 Supp Letter AMCC 2013.03.26.pdf SRES 3/29/2013 3:30:00 PM
SR 5
SR 5 Supp Emails.PDF SRES 3/29/2013 3:30:00 PM
SR 5
SR 5 Support Kenaitze Indian Tribe letter.pdf SRES 3/29/2013 3:30:00 PM
SR 5
SRES March 29 2013 - Financing Mega Projects.pdf SRES 3/29/2013 3:30:00 PM
Gasline Projects APP & ASAP
SR 5 Sponsor Statement (2).pdf SRES 3/29/2013 3:30:00 PM
SR 5
SR 5 Written Testimony AngieWhitman 2013.03.29.pdf SRES 3/29/2013 3:30:00 PM
SR 5
SR 5 Written Testimony JulieBonney 2013.03.29.pdf SRES 3/29/2013 3:30:00 PM
SR 5