Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/20/2002 01:42 PM Senate JUD

Audio Topic
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
          HB 40-REVOKE DRIVER'S LIC. FOR FATAL ACCIDENT                                                                     
MS.   ANNE  CARPENETI,   Assistant   Attorney  General,   Criminal                                                              
Division, Department of Law (DOL),  said HB 40 addresses a problem                                                              
that  does not arise  very  often but  when it does  it creates  a                                                              
serious  public safety  problem.   It  also  can create  a lot  of                                                              
anguish  in the family  of victims  who are  killed in  automobile                                                              
She  described the  situation  when a  motor  vehicle accident  is                                                              
caused by a person who violates a  traffic law but does not commit                                                              
a crime but non-the less a death  is caused.  HB 40 addresses this                                                              
situation by requiring the court  to revoke the driving privileges                                                              
for one year of  a person who is convicted of  violating a traffic                                                              
law and the violation  was a significant contributing  cause of an                                                              
accident resulting in the death of another person.                                                                              
MS.  CARPENETI explained  that  specifically  before this  license                                                              
revocation can occur:                                                                                                           
   · First a judge must find beyond a reasonable doubt that the                                                                 
     person committed the traffic violation.                                                                                    
  · Then by clear and convincing evidence the court must find;                                                                  
        o The person was operating the motor vehicle that was                                                                   
          involved in the accident.                                                                                             
       o The accident caused the death of another person.                                                                       
        o The violation of the traffic law was a significant                                                                    
          contributing factor in causing the accident and death.                                                                
She said the bill does allow a court  to consider a request by the                                                              
driver  for  limited  driving  privileges.    If  the  person  can                                                              
establish  that his  or  her ability  to earn  a  living would  be                                                              
severally impaired  by loss  of driving  privileges the  court can                                                              
issue a limited license for that  purpose.  In the House Judiciary                                                              
Committee they  added another possibility  for a  limited license.                                                              
If  the person  can establish  that his  or her  ability would  be                                                              
severely impaired  to give assistance  as a primary care  giver to                                                              
another  person  who  is  disabled the  court  could  entertain  a                                                              
request for a limited license.                                                                                                  
MS. CARPENETI  said when  people drive  in an  unsafe way  even if                                                              
they do not commit  a crime but cause the death  of another person                                                              
their  privilege  to drive  should  be  revoked to  protect  other                                                              
drivers  on  the road,  their  passengers  and people  walking  on                                                              
CHAIRMAN  TAYLOR explained  he did  not  have a  problem with  the                                                              
thrust of the  bill.  It was  again a mandatory minimum,  which he                                                              
always opposed in  the court system, because he  thought mandatory                                                              
minimums become the  sentence.  For example they  have a three-day                                                              
mandatory  minimum on  drunk  driving so  what  does every  single                                                              
drunk driver  get, three  days.   He said  it is called  mandatory                                                              
minimum but judges  never seem to read the word minimum.   They do                                                              
not give longer sentences because  they get scared as soon as they                                                              
pop somebody  for ten  or fifteen  days on  a first offense  every                                                              
public  defender   is  going  to   make  certain  that   they  are                                                              
disqualified  from  ever  doing  a  drunk  driver  case.    Public                                                              
defenders probably should  act on the behalf of their  client.  He                                                              
said  these things  sound  like  they are  somewhat  discretionary                                                              
within  the  law  but once  they  establish  these  parameters  of                                                              
mandatory revocation they become  the only revocation.  He said he                                                              
was concerned about that aspect of it.                                                                                          
CHAIRMAN  TAYLOR  gave  an  example   of  the  other  aspect  that                                                              
concerned him.   A single mom commuting home from  work has picked                                                              
both  her kids  up.   She  slides on  the  ice and  has a  one-car                                                              
accident.  She  doesn't impact anyone else.  The  car flips around                                                              
a couple  of times  and one of  the children is  killed.   Now she                                                              
just  lost one of  her children  and on  top of  that somebody  is                                                              
going to say she  had been driving to fast for  road conditions or                                                              
whatever  because every  officer  that shows  up at  a wreck  site                                                              
feels  compelled  to find  some  violation  for the  wreck  having                                                              
occurred.    Accidents  don't happen  anymore  it was because  you                                                              
violated something.   He asked if they would suspend  her driver's                                                              
license for  one year when  she has already  lost a child  in this                                                              
process.  He  said he was not  talking about some drunk  driver or                                                              
someone that is negligently driving and killing some stranger.                                                                  
MS. CARPENETI  said  that was correct,  if she  was driving  drunk                                                              
they could revoke  her license for that reason.   She said she did                                                              
share his  frustration about mandatory  minimums.  She  thought it                                                              
was shocking  that everybody  who  is convicted  goes to jail  for                                                              
three days because drunk driving  cases can be really varied.  She                                                              
said in a sense this was not a mandatory  minimum because there is                                                              
no range.   It is a  mandatory one-year.    They don't  range from                                                              
one to five years it's a one-year revocation.                                                                                   
MS. CARPENETI  said the person  Chairman Taylor was  talking about                                                              
would  have  to be  convicted  and  proven  to have  violated  the                                                              
traffic  ordinance beyond  a reasonable  doubt  by a  court.   She                                                              
would be given a  court appointed council and a jury  trial in the                                                              
endeavor  to  determine whether  or  not  she  was guilty  of  the                                                              
traffic violation.   Then  the court would  have to find  by clear                                                              
and convincing evidence that whatever  violation she was convicted                                                              
of  was a  significant contributing  factor  to the  death of  her                                                              
child.    Ms.  Carpeneti  understood  that  would  be  a  terrible                                                              
situation for  any person  to be  in but maybe  she should  not be                                                              
driving her other child who is still alive.                                                                                     
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR  said you are going  to keep her off the  road for                                                              
one year.  That is what you are going to do.                                                                                    
MS. CARPENETI  said under the circumstances  but the court  has to                                                              
jump through many hoops before it  can come to that determination.                                                              
By the possibility  of a driver's license loss she  would have the                                                              
right to court appointed  counsel and a trial by  jury and some of                                                              
the other guarantees attended on a criminal case.                                                                               
CHAIRMAN  TAYLOR said  he  did not  think  the  committee had  any                                                              
concerns or  objections to the  25 year old  doing a 100  mph down                                                              
the  Glen Highway  and crossing  the  meridian or  something.   In                                                              
those  instances the  prosecutors  office,  our district  attorney                                                              
would normally  be charging negligent  homicide, seeking  a felony                                                              
charge and some  serious time in jail.  He said as  far as he knew                                                              
our  people  are  not  reluctant  to do  that.    This  person  is                                                              
distracted  for a moment  and instead  of stopping  on the  yellow                                                              
light has  gone on through it  and t-boned somebody in  the middle                                                              
of an intersection.   Accidents do  happen and yes there  may have                                                              
been a violation  but in this instance  all you need prove  is any                                                              
violation of any traffic law.                                                                                                   
MS. CARPENETI said it would have to be a moving violation.                                                                      
CHAIRMAN  TAYLOR said those  are his  concerns it  is not  that he                                                              
does  not  support the  concept,  he  does.    He thought  it  was                                                              
probably another  tool in  the toolbox that  they may need  but he                                                              
had those concerns and appreciated her answers.                                                                                 
SENATOR THERRIAULT  said he  appreciated Chairman Taylor's  stated                                                              
concerns because  he had  a lot of  the same  ones.  Accidents  do                                                              
happen but  the person who  puts the pedal  to the metal,  that is                                                              
not an  accident, that is  a choice.   The person that  drinks too                                                              
much has made  a choice.  The  person that is spinning  his wheels                                                              
and doing  the brodies, that  is a choice.   He said  the scenario                                                              
that Chairman Taylor laid out is  one, and there are others, where                                                              
this is just going too far.                                                                                                     
SENATOR  THERRIAULT   said  last  year  Representative   Fate  and                                                              
Representative   Coghill  and   himself  met   with  a  group   of                                                              
constituents in  his district that  live out on Chena  Hot Springs                                                              
Road.   They expressed  a lot of  concern with  the fact  that the                                                              
privilege on our  highways was so often used as a  club to try and                                                              
shape the  actions of  the public.   It  is little consolation  to                                                              
them when  you say, we  have not taken  away your right  to travel                                                              
about the community  when it is 40 below zero and  you live out at                                                              
40-mile Chena  Hot Springs Road.   If they cannot drive  their car                                                              
you  have taken  away their  access, their  ability, because  many                                                              
times they  can not even  go to a  neighbor next door  because the                                                              
neighbor is maybe a mile away.  He  had concerns over the need for                                                              
the legislation.                                                                                                                
MS. CARPENETI  said it  was brought to  their attention  by people                                                              
who have lost  loved ones under these circumstances.   For example                                                              
where the  driver of a  car had fallen asleep.   This is  a really                                                              
common problem not only in Alaska  but throughout the country.  It                                                              
is a  common driving problem  to fall  asleep and then  cross over                                                              
the centerline  and kill  somebody.   They may  only have  a small                                                              
fine  for doing  so.   It  seemed to  her  for the  safety of  the                                                              
driving  public it would  be worthwhile  for that  person to  take                                                              
some time off  driving and maybe jump through  the hoops necessary                                                              
to get a drivers license back after  it had been revoked before he                                                              
or she thinks  about driving when he  or she is to tired  or takes                                                              
their eyes off the road and causes  such serious damage.  She said                                                              
there were  people on  the teleconference  that might help  inform                                                              
the committee of the concerns that they brought to DOL.                                                                         
SENATOR  ELLIS  asked about  the  language  "contributing  factor,                                                              
significant factor" and asked her to talk them through that.                                                                    
MS. CARPENETI explained it is on  page 2 of the bill.  These terms                                                              
are terms judges use and apply all  the time.  The court must find                                                              
a person  guilty of violating the  traffic law by proof  "beyond a                                                              
reasonable doubt" and the person  must have a lawyer and the right                                                              
to a jury  trial if he or she  chooses.  If a person  is convicted                                                              
of a traffic law  the court will revoke the privilege  to drive if                                                              
the court  finds by "clear and  convincing evidence".   "Clear and                                                              
convincing  evidence"   is  a  higher  standard   than  "beyond  a                                                              
reasonable doubt".   You have to clearly show  that the individual                                                              
was driving  the motor vehicle  in a car  that was involved  in an                                                              
accident.   The  accident caused  another person's  death and  the                                                              
violation of the traffic law was  a significant contributing cause                                                              
of the  accident.  So  the court would have  to make a  finding by                                                              
clear and  convincing evidence, the real  crux of it is,  that the                                                              
violation  of the  traffic law  was  the significant  contributing                                                              
cause  of the  accident  that resulted  in  the  death of  another                                                              
person in  order to loose  their license  under this bill.   These                                                              
are term that  courts use all the time;  significant, contributing                                                              
cause.    She  did  not  think  there  would  be  a  problem  with                                                              
SENATOR  DONLEY asked  what happened  to these  people after  they                                                              
lost their license and they go ahead and drive without it.                                                                      
MS. CARPENETI  said they would hope  they did not but if  they did                                                              
then they would be committing a crime.                                                                                          
SENATOR DONLEY asked what was the punishment for that crime.                                                                    
MS. CARPENETI said  she thought that was a maximum  of one year in                                                              
SENATOR  DONLEY  said that  was  the  maximum  but was  there  any                                                              
MS. CARPENETI said she did not believe so.                                                                                      
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR  said he thought  there was additional  revocation                                                              
of license.                                                                                                                     
MS.  CARPENETI said  for conviction  there could  a revocation  of                                                              
license and she thought for the first one it was only 60 days.                                                                  
CHAIRMAN  TAYLOR said  they used  to have a  mandatory minimum  on                                                              
that.   It was  like five or  ten years and  we had people  caught                                                              
driving that couldn't get their license for 30 some years.                                                                      
MS. CARPENETI said yes that used  to be the most serious mandatory                                                              
penalty in the state in the 70's.                                                                                               
CHAIRMAN  TAYLOR asked  if she  thought  right now,  in answer  to                                                              
Senator Donley's question,  it was probably 60 days  for the first                                                              
MS. CARPENETI  said that was right.   For conviction of  the first                                                              
offense and then  one year for the second and three  years for the                                                              
SENATOR DONLEY  asked when you are  saying 60 days are  you saying                                                              
the maximum allowable.                                                                                                          
MS.   CARPENETI  said   additional  revocation   of  license   for                                                              
SENATOR  DONLEY  said he  remembered  voting  against a  piece  of                                                              
legislation  about ten  years  ago that  revoked  an existing  law                                                              
where  it was  a mandatory  ten days  in jail  if you  drove on  a                                                              
suspended license.                                                                                                              
MS.  CARPENETI said  that was  a  time before  they had  mandatory                                                              
terms.  That was the most serious  mandatory sentence in the State                                                              
of Alaska in the 70's.                                                                                                          
SENATOR DONLEY  said now  we don't  have any  minimum for  a first                                                              
time violation for driving without a license.                                                                                   
MS. CARPENETI  said she was looking  at the revocation.   Under AS                                                              
28.15.181  the  first  offense  would  be 60  days  revocation  of                                                              
SENATOR DONLEY  said and no mandatory  jail time.  Of  course they                                                              
have  already lost  their  license for  a year  then  we take  the                                                              
license for another 60 days.                                                                                                    
CHAIRMAN  TAYLOR said  Senator Donley  brought up  a major  issue,                                                              
directly related to this.  They have  set up a lot of laws so they                                                              
are going  to result,  especially with  Driving While  Intoxicated                                                              
(DWI), in revocation of a driving  privilege or the opportunity to                                                              
get one  for some  term of years.   They  just keep driving;  they                                                              
just go use  somebody else's car  and they just keep driving.   It                                                              
is kind of  like this hoop thing;  you are always trying  to catch                                                              
up with the end  of it.  From his discussions  with state troopers                                                              
and  city  police  officers  it  is  a  continuing  and  expanding                                                              
problem.  They are not insured, they  don't have a drivers license                                                              
but they are  out there driving to  and from work and  they may be                                                              
legally driving down the road but  they are illegal and should not                                                              
be there.  He thought it is a concern many of them shared.                                                                      
MS. CARPENETI  said they shared that  concern.  This  bill doesn't                                                              
necessarily  address repeat  drivers  driving  with their  license                                                              
suspended or revoked but that is a concern because we all drive.                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT  said along that  line just look at  the police                                                              
blotter in the newspaper.  They get  caught for drunk driving time                                                              
after  time and  also  for a  suspended license.    That group  of                                                              
people, because of  the drinking, seems to get  caught more often.                                                              
But the  person who just  ran through a  red light or  slipped off                                                              
the road and had  a roll over not because they  were hot roding or                                                              
anything,  they are  not  necessarily going  right  back into  the                                                              
system because they had a perfect  driving record for 30 years and                                                              
just hit the  slick spot the one  time.  They are going  to be out                                                              
there driving  with no  license anyway.   If  we have learned  one                                                              
thing from  the DWI situation it  is that they are going  to drive                                                              
anyway.  He said  he understood the frustration  of family members                                                              
seeing somebody who has caused the  loss of a loved one being able                                                              
to continue  to drive.   But he  thought this  sort of  a solution                                                              
really did not get them anywhere.                                                                                               
SENATOR COWDERY said  if you get pulled over for  a DWI and refuse                                                              
to do the breathalyzer  that was an automatic loss  of license but                                                              
it was  not proven  they were  really under  the influence.   They                                                              
can't take  breath samples without  a search warrant  unless there                                                              
is an accident  involved and somebody  is killed.  He  thought the                                                              
penalties that exist now did not  solve anything.  He thought they                                                              
should have far more stringent penalties.                                                                                       
MS.  CARPENETI said  there  are a  lot of  problems  with DWI  and                                                              
refusing a breathalyzer.  This legislation  really is just focused                                                              
on maybe six to ten accidents that  happen a year that result in a                                                              
death  to a  person by  another person  who was  not committing  a                                                              
crime.   They were not  committing reckless  driving but  may have                                                              
been  driving negligently.   For  that  reason they  are not  safe                                                              
enough drivers.   They  caused a death  because of their  careless                                                              
driving  even though  it  did not  arise  to reckless  driving  or                                                              
criminal negligent homicide or a  crime.  But they were driving in                                                              
a careless manner and for that reason  it seems reasonable to take                                                              
their license  away for a period  of time so maybe next  time they                                                              
won't drive negligently.                                                                                                        
SENATOR  COWDERY said  taking their  drivers  license away  really                                                              
does something.   Does that mean they  are going to take  a cab or                                                              
have  somebody else  drive them  or does  this mean  if you  don't                                                              
catch them  they are  going to drive,  if you  do catch  them then                                                              
MS. CARPENETI said if they did drive  they are committing a crime.                                                              
We hope  this would have  some effect  on drivers who  loose their                                                              
license.   She said  she was sure  there are a  lot of  people who                                                              
don't pay attention to court orders  and revocation of license but                                                              
there are people who do.                                                                                                        
MR. MARK  CAMPBELL, Palmer  resident, testified  in support  of HB
40.  He shared from their own experience  having lost their son in                                                              
an accident.   In their circumstances  they had a  19-year-old son                                                              
and he  had a  car full  of kids  with him.   Another vehicle  was                                                              
speeding in  the opposite direction  and that driver  lost control                                                              
of their  vehicle and  collided with their  son's car  killing two                                                              
kids and injuring four others.                                                                                                  
They found there was no recourse  whatsoever.  Within one year the                                                              
same  young man  that caused  that accident  had another  accident                                                              
killing  two  other  young men.    They  feel  there needs  to  be                                                              
something if you  are not under the influence of  alcohol or drugs                                                              
but yet you are  acting irresponsible with a vehicle.   The courts                                                              
need to  determine whether  it is acting  outside of  a reasonable                                                              
manner.  They lost  a son, their good friends lost  their son, and                                                              
four other children  were hurt.  The young man  was speeding, lost                                                              
control of  his vehicle and got a  ticket for speeding.   That was                                                              
it, a ticket for  speeding.  As a family of a  victim he wanted to                                                              
see that  there was  something that would  cause an individual  to                                                              
take some time away from the privilege of driving.                                                                              
MR. CAMPBELL  said there  needs to be  something for  the victim's                                                              
family  from  the person  causing  the  loss.   Sharing  from  his                                                              
experience they found there was nothing  they could do.  Then they                                                              
were terribly  grieved over  the fact that  within a  year another                                                              
two lives were lost in that situation.                                                                                          
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR said  he did not understand on  the first accident                                                              
why he  was not charged with  negligent homicide.   Speeding alone                                                              
resulting  in  death  should  have  been  sufficient  grounds  for                                                              
negligent  homicide and  that is  a felony.   He  asked if he  was                                                              
charged for negligent homicide on the second incident.                                                                          
MR.  CAMPBELL said  on  the second  incident  he  was driving  the                                                              
vehicle and  lost control.   The other  two boys that  were killed                                                              
were not able to testify so there was no witness.                                                                               
In the  first situation  the only eyewitnesses  were in  a vehicle                                                              
that  was in front  of him.   They  viewed his  speed coming  from                                                              
behind so  rapidly that  driver pulled  over.   The only  way they                                                              
could  testify  that they  felt  he  was  speeding was  through  a                                                              
rearview  mirror so again  no eyewitness.   Of  course no  one was                                                              
there to  actually clock that he  was speeding so they  could only                                                              
judge it by the fact there were no  skid marks on the highway.  He                                                              
just simply lost control of his pickup.                                                                                         
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR said  that was a terrible situation  and was sorry                                                              
that Mr. Campbell had to come in  and testify.  He said he thought                                                              
Mr. Campbell  understood  the concerns the  committee had  raised.                                                              
He asked if the family contemplated any form of civil liability.                                                                
MR. CAMPBELL  said they did  go to court not  as a civil  suit but                                                              
simply on  his driving  ticket.   They asked  that rather  than he                                                              
being able to just pay the ticket  they felt the court should have                                                              
him  serve  community service  in  the  area  of hospice  care  or                                                              
something like  that.  Given  the special circumstances  the court                                                              
did that and the young man did not argue.                                                                                       
He was a  young man also, 19 years  old, and they did  not want to                                                              
plague his  life trying to pursue  some sort of payment  for their                                                              
loss.  But  Mr. Campbell felt in  this type of situation  the loss                                                              
of license  for a year  would have been  excellent and  could have                                                              
saved two other lives and possibly cause some growing up.                                                                       
MR. ALBERT  TAYLOR  said his  son was  killed by  the driver  of a                                                              
motor vehicle.   That  driver chose  to operate  his vehicle  in a                                                              
careless, irresponsible and unsafe  manner.  He felt strongly that                                                              
a person  operating a  vehicle carelessly,  breaking traffic  laws                                                              
and killing others should have their  privileges to drive revoked.                                                              
He urged  the committee  to pass HB  40.  It  would help  make our                                                              
roads safer.                                                                                                                    
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR  said he  was sorry for  his loss and  thanked him                                                              
for testifying.                                                                                                                 
MS. MARY  MARSHBURN, Director, Division  of Motor  Vehicles (DMV),                                                              
said  Ms. Carpeneti  adequately  covered  the history  or  reasons                                                              
behind the bill  as well as the specifications of  the bill itself                                                              
and what it intends to do.  She addressed two items.                                                                            
    · The fiscal note reflects there are a very small number of                                                                 
       these incidences each year.  Obviously very painful for                                                                  
       the people who loose family members in these crashes.                                                                    
    · In answer to Senator Donley's question about driving                                                                      
       without a  license.  Driving  without a license  carries an                                                              
       additional  ten days  in  jail  and a  minimum  of 90  days                                                              
       additional  revocation, which  does not  run concurrent  to                                                              
       any existing revocation.                                                                                                 
SENATOR DONLEY said he did not think  there was any mandatory jail                                                              
time for a first time conviction while license is suspended.                                                                    
MS. MARSHBURN  said  she would  be happy  to look  it up but  that                                                              
information came from DMV staff.                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN TAYLOR said the committee  would look into that also.  He                                                              
said  there may  be some  misunderstanding  about how  the law  is                                                              
either applied or how it is currently written.                                                                                  
TAPE 02-05, SIDE B                                                                                                            
SENATOR  DONLEY asked  Ms. Carpeneti  if it  a mandatory  one-year                                                              
suspension no matter what the nature  of the traffic violation was                                                              
if there  is clear and convincing  evidence that the  elements are                                                              
MS.  CARPENETI said  that  was correct  but  they have  to have  a                                                              
conviction  and  then  clear  and  convincing  evidence  that  the                                                              
traffic violation was a significant contributing factor.                                                                        
SENATOR DONLEY  said this  could be an  improper lane change  or a                                                              
failure to  signal and there is no  discretion on the part  of the                                                              
judiciary.    He said  in  the eight  years  he  had been  in  the                                                              
legislature  they   had  tried  a  lot  of   mandatory  sentencing                                                              
proposals.   He  thought the  executive branch  had opposed  every                                                              
mandatory  sentence.   The executive  branch wanted  to go  in the                                                              
opposite direction and have less mandatory sentencing.                                                                          
MS. CARPENETI said  this was a license revocation  not a result of                                                              
a conviction of  a crime.  It is a license action  and the purpose                                                              
is to make our  roads safer.  It is not necessarily  completely to                                                              
get this  particular person  off the  road but  to make  our roads                                                              
SENATOR COWDERY  asked in  her mind what  would happen if  in fact                                                              
the one-year  revocation was imposed  but during that  year period                                                              
he was caught driving again.                                                                                                    
MS. CARPENETI  answered he  could be charged  with driving  with a                                                              
license  suspended.   If  he  was driving  and  he  had a  limited                                                              
license  that  would  be  another  issue.    It  depended  on  the                                                              
circumstances.    This revocation  would  be concurrent  with  any                                                              
other revocation in law.                                                                                                        
SENATOR DONLEY  said he noticed the  CS bill had been  referred to                                                              
the Rules  Committee.   He  asked if that  was accurate.   It  was                                                              
originally a Rules Committee bill  and he didn't understand why it                                                              
said  it  was referred  to  the  Rules  Committee.   He  had  some                                                              
question  about the  fiscal  note and  wanted  to know  if it  was                                                              
coming to  the Finance Committee and  he could not tell  that from                                                              
the  bill document.   He  thought there  was something  inaccurate                                                              
about the  referral section.   It did  not say judiciary  but they                                                              
were there hearing it.                                                                                                          
CHAIRMAN  TAYLOR  said  the  referrals   are  judiciary  and  then                                                              
finance.  That was on the referral sheet that came with it.                                                                     
He said he would entertain a motion. No motion was made.                                                                        
SENATOR ELLIS asked for an at ease.                                                                                             
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CHAIRMAN TAYLOR called an at ease.                                                                                              
CHAIRMAN  TAYLOR reconvened  the  meeting and  announced he  would                                                              
hold the bill for  a week to try to resolve some  of the concerns.                                                              
He stated it was his intention to move the bill from committee.                                                                 

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