Legislature(2013 - 2014)BARNES 124

03/12/2013 01:00 PM TRANSPORTATION


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
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*+ HB 153 NAMING WALTER J. HICKEL EXPRESSWAY TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 153(TRA) Out of Committee
+= HB 23 KNIK ARM BRIDGE AND TOLL AUTHORITY TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
           HB 153-NAMING WALTER J. HICKEL EXPRESSWAY                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:05:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON announced that  the first order of business would                                                               
be HOUSE BILL NO. 153, "An  Act designating Minnesota Drive and a                                                               
portion  of  O'Malley Road  in  Anchorage  the Walter  J.  Hickel                                                               
Expressway."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:05:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BOB LYNN,  speaking as  the bill  sponsor, stated                                                               
that HB 153 would name a  portion of Minnesota Drive in Anchorage                                                               
the Walter  J. Hickel Expressway.   He explained that  Mr. Hickel                                                               
was  the U.S.  Secretary of  Interior and  was twice  governor of                                                               
Alaska.  One of Mr. Hickel's  roles was to oversee the permitting                                                               
process and so  it is appropriate to name a  portion of Minnesota                                                               
Drive after Mr. Walter J. Hickel.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:06:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FORREST  WOLFE,  Staff,  Representative Bob  Lynn,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  stated  that  it   is  fitting  that  this  heavily                                                               
trafficked area of roadway be named after Mr. Walter J. Hickel.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:08:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ISAACSON   asked  whether  the   Municipality  of                                                               
Anchorage (MOA) has a view of this action.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOLFE answered that in the past  the MOA has been in favor of                                                               
naming the roadway after Mr. Hickel.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ISAACSON  asked whether  he  was  referring to  a                                                               
similar  measure  last  year  that died  in  the  Senate  Finance                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOLFE  agreed, but was  unsure of  why the bill  didn't pass.                                                               
He deferred to MR. Wickersham.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:09:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SCOTT THOMAS,  Traffic Engineer,  Department of  Transportation &                                                               
Public  Facilities  (DOT&PF)  stated that  O'Malley  Road  curves                                                               
around  from the  Hillside and  becomes Minnesota  at Old  Seward                                                               
Highway and  then at  Tudor Road it  becomes a  six-lane highway.                                                               
Additionally, the  road is  partly an  expressway 15th  Avenue to                                                               
New Seward Highway.  He agreed it  is possible to put in signs as                                                               
per the fiscal note.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:11:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON  asked whether there is any reason  not to rename                                                               
the entire roadway.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN said  not too many personal  addresses are on                                                               
the  current  Minnesota  Drive  although  15th  Avenue  has  some                                                               
businesses and addresses.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:12:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ISAACSON  referred  to   the  fiscal  note  which                                                               
requires  two  signs,  one  sign in  each  route  direction  will                                                               
introduce  the  expressway.   He  related  that the  fiscal  note                                                               
indicates the memorial  sign should be located  at an appropriate                                                               
location  in   each  route  direction  as   an  independent  sign                                                               
installation.   He interpreted  this to mean  the bill  would not                                                               
change the  roadway name but  would memorialize a section  of the                                                               
road.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN recalled  a similar  situation in  which the                                                               
Eisenhower  Highway   or  bypass   was  named,   as  well.     He                                                               
acknowledged this would be a memorial  to Mr. Hickel, but he also                                                               
thought it would  also change the addresses  for those residences                                                               
and businesses on Minnesota Drive.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:13:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON asked whether  the "A" street designation                                                               
is still known as "A" street and not as Eisenhower [Corridor].                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN  offered his belief  that it is known  as the                                                               
Eisenhower Corridor.   He explained that the  proposed roadway is                                                               
from  15th  Street,  which  turns  south  and  east  and  becomes                                                               
O'Malley Drive once it passes Seward Highway.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON  stated that  the Eisenhower  Corridor is                                                               
still referred to as "A" Street.   He asked whether this memorial                                                               
designation would be  known as the Walter  Hickel Expressway, but                                                               
it wouldn't change the name.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN said  he thought it would change  the name of                                                               
the highway.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:15:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  P. WILSON  asked  whether  it would  be  easier to  rename                                                               
Minnesota  Drive to  the  Walter J.  Hickel  Expressway and  only                                                               
change the single designation rather than individual addresses.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN  pointed out  that north  of 15th  Street the                                                               
roadway would remain as Minnesota Drive.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  P. WILSON  asked whether  it would  create any  problem to                                                               
change Minnesota Drive to the Walter J. Hickel Expressway.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN responded  that if the committee  chose to do                                                               
so it  would be fine  with him.  He  just would like  to minimize                                                               
any cost.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P.  WILSON thought  it would be  easier and  less expensive                                                               
[to have the memorial roadway].                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SCOTT   THOMAS,  Engineer,   Division  of   Statewide  Design   &                                                               
Engineering  Services,  Department  of  Transportation  &  Public                                                               
Facilities  (DOT&PF),   concurred  that   the  fiscal   note  was                                                               
calculated for two  signs to designate the highway  as a memorial                                                               
name, but not to change all of  the street sign names such as the                                                               
ones on top  of stop signs or  signal poles.  He  stated that the                                                               
cost would  be significantly  higher to  go through  the proposed                                                               
corridor and replace the name of Minnesota Drive on all signs.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  P.   WILSON  remarked  that   Mr.  Thomas   is  confirming                                                               
Representative Isaacson's  view that  one sign  would be  at each                                                               
end to designate a memorial  name; however, the sponsor indicated                                                               
he wanted to change the entire drive.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN responded  that he is satisfied  with the two                                                               
signs as a memorial.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:17:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTIS  recalled she  previously served on  a team                                                               
to address this.   She further recalled that the  team planned to                                                               
honor former  Governor Hickel in  a memorial fashion  rather than                                                               
to rename the road.  She did  not think it was ever the intention                                                               
to rename the road.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN  deferred to  Mr. Wickersham as  the resident                                                               
expert on this.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:18:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON reiterated that  the bill sponsor, Representative                                                               
Lynn, is fine with the memorial limited to two signs.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN answered yes.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON said the fiscal note is correct.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:19:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   ISAACSON  understood   this  would   not  change                                                               
residential or business addresses.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN  interjected that he recalled  Mr. Wickersham                                                               
was  concerned  about  the  signage, too.    He  reiterated  that                                                               
keeping costs  down was important to  him such that it  would not                                                               
exceed $15,000.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:20:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  P.  WILSON reiterated  that  two  signs according  to  the                                                               
fiscal note will be fine as a memorial.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THOMAS  understood the  signs  would  be the  typical  brown                                                               
[memorial]  signs.   He  compared this  to  Knik-Goose Bay  Road,                                                               
which  has  Joe  Redington,  Sr.   Memorial  Road  signs  at  the                                                               
beginning and end,  yet residence and business  addresses did not                                                               
change.  He brought  up a point of clarification.   He said it is                                                               
an honor  to put up  the signs to  each person, but  the specific                                                               
signage  phrasing   reads  expressway.    He   pointed  out  some                                                               
community  councils   have  been  concerned  about   speed.    He                                                               
explained   the  roadway   is   a   controlled  highway   through                                                               
Westchester Lagoon  with a median  and continues  through midtown                                                               
with driveways  and six-lane urban  arterials.  He was  unsure if                                                               
the title expressway  conveys the message of  limited speed until                                                               
the roadway changes south of Tudor  Road.  He asked for direction                                                               
on the signage wording.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:21:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN,  as sponsor,  said  he  would be  happy  to                                                               
change it to highway rather than an expressway.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. THOMAS said from the  department's perspective the sign could                                                               
read expressway, highway, or roadway.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTIS  asked  to  also  consider  calling  it  a                                                               
parkway.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. THOMAS agreed  that parkway would also work in  terms of sign                                                               
spacing.    He  merely  thought  it might  be  best  if  it  were                                                               
different than expressway south of 15th.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P.  WILSON read,  "... Minnesota Drive  and the  portion of                                                               
O'Malley  Road  in Anchorage  from  Minnesota  Drive to  the  New                                                               
Seward Highway are  designated as the Walter J. Hickel  ..."  She                                                               
suggested the committee consider highway, roadway, and parkway.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOLFE suggested corridor should also be considered.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN  suggested  anything other  than  expressway                                                               
seemed appropriate.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:23:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ISAACSON  asked  whether  the  department  has  a                                                               
differentiation between names.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCOTT  said  that  parkway   or  corridor  would  work,  but                                                               
expressway  has  an obvious  meaning.    He referred  to  similar                                                               
roadways,  such as  the Eisenhower  Corridor or  "A" Street,  and                                                               
Lake Otis Parkway, which is a  five-lane arterial.  Thus the term                                                               
parkway  and  corridor  are  very  flexible  terms,  as  well  as                                                               
highway.   In  further response  to Chair  Wilson, he  reiterated                                                               
Lake Otis is a parkway.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN  said he is comfortable  with either corridor                                                               
or parkway.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:24:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTIS moved  to adopt Amendment 1,  to change the                                                               
proposed name from  Walter J. Hickel Expressway to  the Walter J.                                                               
Hickel Parkway.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON assumed Amendment 1  would change line 2, 5 and 7                                                               
of the bill.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:25:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTIS restated her motion.   She made a motion to                                                               
adopt Amendment  1, which would amend  the language of HB  153 on                                                               
lines 2,  5, and 7,  from "Walter  J. Hickel Expressway"  to read                                                               
"Walter J. Hickel Parkway."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE objected for the  purpose of discussion.  He                                                               
said naming a road  depends on the part of the  country as to the                                                               
name of  a roadway.   He suggested  that parkways  were typically                                                               
roads on  the East Coast and  were limited to cars.   Expressways                                                               
were limited-access highways,  without numerous streets, although                                                               
he did  not have a  preference.   He suggested if  expressway was                                                               
used it should be limited to  the portion of Minnesota Drive from                                                               
Tudor Road to Old Seward.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:27:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTIS understood  the distinction between highway                                                               
and expressway, but  she wanted to avoid the  connotation of high                                                               
speed.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON offered her belief that corridor implies speed.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE  removed his  objection.    There being  no                                                               
further objection, Conceptual Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:28:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON moved  to report HB 153,  as amended, out                                                               
of   committee   with    individual   recommendations   and   the                                                               
accompanying  fiscal note.   There  being no  objection the  CSHB
153(TRA)  was reported  from  the  House Transportation  Standing                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB0153A.pdf HTRA 3/12/2013 1:00:00 PM
HB 153
HB153 Sponsor Statement.pdf HTRA 3/12/2013 1:00:00 PM
HB 153
HB153-DOT-CRHA-3-8-13.pdf HTRA 3/12/2013 1:00:00 PM
HB 153
HB153 Hickel Citation.pdf HTRA 3/12/2013 1:00:00 PM
HB 153
HB 23-KABATA-FlowChart Fin Kentworthy.pdf HTRA 3/12/2013 1:00:00 PM
HB 23
HB 23-KABATA-FlowChart Kentworthy.pdf HTRA 3/12/2013 1:00:00 PM
HB 23
HB 23 2012 KABATA Sen Thomas letters-Annotated.pdf HTRA 3/12/2013 1:00:00 PM
HB 23
HB 23 avaialbility pmts 2-25-13 Kentworthy.pdf HTRA 3/12/2013 1:00:00 PM
HB 23
HB 23 KABATA 2013 COST Analysis Kentworthy.pdf HTRA 3/12/2013 1:00:00 PM
HB 23
HB153 Support Documents - Wickersham Letter.pdf HTRA 3/12/2013 1:00:00 PM
HB 153
HB 23 Letter Package 01.pdf HTRA 3/12/2013 1:00:00 PM
HB 23
HB 23 Alaska Business - ALL 3 ARTICLES.pdf HTRA 3/12/2013 1:00:00 PM
HB 23
HB 23 Alaska Business - Bridge Builders.pdf HTRA 3/12/2013 1:00:00 PM
HB 23
HB 23 Alaska Business - Build the Bridge Already.pdf HTRA 3/12/2013 1:00:00 PM
HB 23
HB 23 Alaska Business - Knik Arm Crossing.pdf HTRA 3/12/2013 1:00:00 PM
HB 23