Legislature(2021 - 2022)GRUENBERG 120

04/26/2022 03:00 PM House STATE AFFAIRS

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               HB  66-ELECTIONS, VOTING, BALLOTS                                                                            
[Contains discussion of SB 39.]                                                                                                 
4:56:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS  announced that the first  order of business                                                               
would be  HOUSE BILL NO.  66, "An  Act relating to  voting, voter                                                               
qualifications,   and  voter   registration;  relating   to  poll                                                               
watchers; relating  to absentee  ballots and  questioned ballots;                                                               
relating to  election worker compensation;  and providing  for an                                                               
effective date."   [Before the committee, adopted  as the working                                                               
draft  on  4/12/22, was  the  proposed  CS, Version  32-LS0322\O,                                                               
Klein, 3/30/22, "Version O."]                                                                                                   
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS welcomed invited testimony.                                                                                
4:58:24 PM                                                                                                                    
MATT ROE,  Voting Works, explained  that Voting Works was  a non-                                                               
partisan  non-profit organization  that built  election software.                                                               
He stated that the goal of  his testimony was to briefly describe                                                               
what  open-source software  was and  how it  applied to  election                                                               
administration.   He stated  that he would  be speaking  from his                                                               
experience  implementing open-source  software but  would not  be                                                               
speaking  to  the  specifics  of   Voting  Works  products.    He                                                               
explained that  the "source"  in open  source referred  to source                                                               
code, which  was the set  of instructions written  by programmers                                                               
that  a   computer  follows  to  achieve   the  desired  software                                                               
behavior.  He used an example  of source code, which he described                                                               
as "a complicated  recipe for baking a cake,"  but qualified that                                                               
for most software  the source code was kept  secret and available                                                               
only  to  the original  programmers.    By contrast,  open-source                                                               
software had source code that  was always available to anyone who                                                               
wished to  see it.   Mr. Roe  continued his remarks  by asserting                                                               
that much  of the  software used today  (including all  major web                                                               
browsers  and much  of software  that powered  the Internet)  was                                                               
open source.   He emphasized that the key  benefit of open-source                                                               
technology was transparency.  He  cited that open-source software                                                               
was  used   in  almost   every  industry,   including  scientific                                                               
research,  financial services,  and cybersecurity.   He  asserted                                                               
that  in the  world of  election administration,  especially when                                                               
the country was  particularly polarized, open-source transparency                                                               
provided  a common  ground of  facts  that could  be trusted  and                                                               
verified.  He  described malicious code that changed  votes as an                                                               
example  of a  problem that  could  be dispelled  by a  technical                                                               
review of the open-source code.   He emphasized the importance of                                                               
proper  security procedures,  which  should be  transparent.   He                                                               
mentioned the public accountability of election officials.                                                                      
5:02:37 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. ROE  wanted to  discuss how  open-source voting  systems were                                                               
used in  practice.  He  asserted that open-source  voting systems                                                               
were  used  just   like  any  other  voting   system  with  well-                                                               
established  practices  for  certifying, testing,  and  operating                                                               
voting equipment.   He stated that the only  change introduced to                                                               
the election  process by open-source software  would be increased                                                               
transparency and public  confidence in the election  outcome.  He                                                               
opined  that  SB  39 represented  a  non-partisan  commitment  to                                                               
increasing  the transparency  and security  of Alaskan  elections                                                               
throughout the entire cycle of the election.                                                                                    
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS asked whether Mr.  Roe was familiar with the                                                               
language relating to open-source voting systems in Version O.                                                                   
MR. ROE answered yes.                                                                                                           
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS invited him to  comment on the provisions in                                                               
Version O.                                                                                                                      
5:06:22 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. ROE clarified that he  was familiar with the original version                                                               
of HB 66.   He offered to  read a section of an  amendment [to SB
39, the companion bill to HB  66,] that was offered in the Senate                                                               
Judiciary Standing  Committee (SJUD).   He indicated  his support                                                               
for the  language in Amendment  41 to CSSB 39(JUD),  [labeled 32-                                                               
LS0204\D.59, Klein, 4/20/22], which read:                                                                                       
     Sec. 15.20.910. Standards for  voting machines and vote                                                                  
     tally  systems.  The  director  may  approve  a  voting                                                                  
     machine or vote tally system  for use in an election in                                                                    
     the  state upon  consideration of  factors relevant  to                                                                    
     the  administration   of  state  elections.   A  voting                                                                    
     machine  or  vote tally  system  must  meet the  United                                                                    
     States   Election  Assistance   Commission's  voluntary                                                                    
     voting  system  guidelines  and  be  certified  by  the                                                                    
     commission,  use only  open-source software  technology                                                                    
     or commercial off-the-shelf  software and firmware, and                                                                    
     satisfy the requirements of AS 15.15.032(c).                                                                               
MR. ROE  explained that Amendment  41 continued by  defining both                                                               
"commercial    off-the-shelf"     and    "open-source    software                                                               
technology."  He  shared his understanding that  Amendment 41 was                                                               
adopted by SJUD.                                                                                                                
5:08:24 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  sought to clarify how  open-source software                                                               
would help improve Alaska's voting system.                                                                                      
MR. ROE clarified that transparency  was the key benefit of open-                                                               
source  technology, as  it allowed  anyone to  review the  source                                                               
code  of  the voting  equipment.    As  a  result, he  said,  the                                                               
increase in understanding and  transparency would increase public                                                               
confidence in the election outcome,  especially in the context of                                                               
heavy polarization or distrust in the existing voting equipment.                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE  asked Mr.  Roe  to  describe, in  layman's                                                               
terms, how the public would access the source code.                                                                             
MR. ROE  said the  specific implementation  was ultimately  up to                                                               
the  Division  of  Elections  (DOE),  Office  of  the  Lieutenant                                                               
Governor.  He provided several  examples of how other states were                                                               
providing source code to the  public, including GitHub, a website                                                               
for software development that allowed  users to store, manage and                                                               
view code, as well as track the changes made to that code.                                                                      
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  asked whether  the general public  would be                                                               
able  to understand  the  source code.    More specifically,  she                                                               
questioned whether  source code was displayed  in layman's terms,                                                               
such as,  "There were 350 votes  in precinct 1, and  642 votes in                                                               
precinct 2, and there were 5  question ballots ? [that had to be]                                                               
MR.  ROE  made a  distinction  between  open-source software  and                                                               
different aspects of  a transparent voting system.   He explained                                                               
that a  transparent voting system  and its  implementation should                                                               
include  the  ballot count  via  reports  and auditing  evidence,                                                               
which was one  layer of transparency.  He  clarified that sharing                                                               
the  code  for  public  inspection was  an  additional  layer  of                                                               
5:14:38 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE STORY  asked [which  states] were using  the open-                                                               
source technology  and what voting equipment  was compatible with                                                               
MR. ROE reported that the  Voting Works open-source voting system                                                               
was being  used in five  counties in Mississippi.   Additionally,                                                               
Voting  Works developed  an  open-source, post-election  auditing                                                               
tool,  named Arlo,  which was  used in  12 states.   In  2016, he                                                               
said, New  Hampshire successfully implemented  open-source ballot                                                               
marking  devices statewide.   Los  Angeles County,  he continued,                                                               
built  a voting  system, referred  to  as Voting  System for  All                                                               
People,  that  they  planned  to   open  source.    Additionally,                                                               
California allowed  counties to pilot open-source  voting systems                                                               
with  a  certification process.    He  added that  several  state                                                               
legislatures, including New Jersey  and Tennessee, had introduced                                                               
legislation that would require open-source voting technology.                                                                   
REPRESENTATIVE STORY asked how much the voting machines cost.                                                                   
MR. ROE reported that the  Voting Works open-source voting system                                                               
was  50 percent  of the  total cost  of ownership  relative to  a                                                               
closed-source voting system.                                                                                                    
5:17:45 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  KREISS-TOMKINS  inquired  about  the specific  cost  of  a                                                               
Voting Works voting machine.                                                                                                    
MR. ROE stated that the price  of the Voting Works voting machine                                                               
was  posted on  the Voting  Works website.   He  reported that  a                                                               
variety of reports  had analyzed the cost of  voting equipment in                                                               
given jurisdictions and  found that the price  was between $5,000                                                               
and $10,000.                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   KREISS-TOMKINS   asked   whether   open-source   election                                                               
equipment was on track for federal certification by 2024.                                                                       
MR. ROE shared that Voting  Works planned to federally certify by                                                               
5:20:10 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN asked  whether  the unanswered  questions                                                               
from the  previous hearing on  Version O had been  answered, such                                                               
as  the  rationale  for   the  statutory  retention  requirements                                                               
[pertaining to election material].                                                                                              
5:20:48 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  CHRIS  TUCK,   Alaska  State  Legislature,  prime                                                               
sponsor  of  HB  66,  sought to  clarify  whether  Representative                                                               
Eastman was referring to the retention of ballots.                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN clarified  that he  was referring  to the                                                               
retention of all documents, including ballots.                                                                                  
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK explained  that  the retention  requirements                                                               
were included in  the bill to preserve integrity  and ensure that                                                               
nothing was destroyed  until after the election  was certified in                                                               
case questions arose.                                                                                                           
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN shared his  understanding that the current                                                               
language in Version O reduced the  length of retention.  He asked                                                               
whether the  bill sponsor would  be amiable to an  amendment that                                                               
increased   or  maintained   the   current  statutory   retention                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  indicated that  Version O  required election                                                               
material  to  be  retained  for  22 months.    He  asked  whether                                                               
Representative Eastman was hoping to extend that amount of time.                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  pointed out  that under current  law, the                                                               
current retention requirement was four years.                                                                                   
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  conveyed that it  was a policy call  for the                                                               
committee to make.                                                                                                              
CHAIR  KREISS-TOMKINS asked  whether DOE  had any  perspective on                                                               
the  length of  document retention  or  the merits  of two  years                                                               
versus four years.                                                                                                              
5:23:25 PM                                                                                                                    
GAIL  FENUMIAI, Director,  Division of  Elections, Office  of the                                                               
Lieutenant  Governor,   explained  that  the   division  retained                                                               
records according to the state's  record retention schedule.  She                                                               
declined to opine on 22 months versus four years.                                                                               
5:24:00 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE   VANCE   directed   attention  to   Section   44,                                                               
Subsection (c),  and inquired about  the definition  of "forensic                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK acknowledged  that  there  was no  statutory                                                               
definition of  forensic examination.  He  suggested replacing the                                                               
term with "Risk-Limiting Audit (RLA)."                                                                                          
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE pointed out  that Section 43, paragraph (5),                                                               
made reference to  a party primary.  She asked  whether that term                                                               
was still applicable.                                                                                                           
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK confirmed  that  the language  needed to  be                                                               
changed due to  the passage of Alaska Ballot  Measure 2 [Top-Four                                                               
Ranked-Choice  Voting   and  Campaign  Finance   Laws  Initiative                                                               
(2020)].   He shared  that Representative  Claman was  drafting a                                                               
forthcoming amendment to address the language in question.                                                                      
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  directed attention  to page 19,  lines 3-4,                                                               
and  asked why  an election  official  would need  access to  the                                                               
political affiliations of all persons.                                                                                          
5:27:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE  MASON,  Staff,  Representative  Chris  Tuck,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  on behalf  of Representative  Tuck, prime  sponsor,                                                               
shared his  understanding that the  language in question  was the                                                               
subject of an  amendment to the companion bill in  the Senate [SB
39].  Further, he shared his  belief that it would be challenging                                                               
to  exclude  a  person's  political affiliation  from  the  voter                                                               
5:27:53 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE   EASTMAN   turned   attention  to   Section   44,                                                               
Subsection  (d), and  asked  why a  precinct  tabulator needs  to                                                               
connect  to  the Internet  24  hours  before  the polls  open  on                                                               
election  day.   He suggested  prohibiting Internet  connectivity                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK explained  that precinct  tabulators require                                                               
internet  connection  to  be  tested and  checked  prior  to  the                                                               
election to confirm their ability to function properly.                                                                         
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  asked whether it was  necessary to access                                                               
the tabulators remotely ahead of time to test them.                                                                             
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK  answered  yes,  to ensure  that  they  work                                                               
properly.  He directed the question to Ms. Fenumiai.                                                                            
MS. FENUMIAI  asserted that Representative Eastman  was referring                                                               
to the  logic and  accuracy testing, which  was performed  in the                                                               
division's  regional  offices prior  to  field  deployment.   She                                                               
clarified  that  they are  not  connected  to the  Internet  when                                                               
voting occurs.                                                                                                                  
5:30:41 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  asked  why  the  tabulators  needed  the                                                               
capability of connecting to the Internet.                                                                                       
MS.  FENUMIAI stated  that the  Internet  connection allowed  the                                                               
tabulators to transmit the election results in a timely manner.                                                                 
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN   pointed  out   that  per   Section  44,                                                               
Subsection  (d), the  tabulators could  not be  connected to  the                                                               
Internet  from 24  hours before  the polls  open on  election day                                                               
until 14 days after the polls  close.  He asked whether there was                                                               
another rationale  for connecting the tabulators  to the Internet                                                               
or a cellular network.                                                                                                          
MS. FENUMIAI described how the  tabulators were briefly connected                                                               
to the Internet  to transmit the election  results following poll                                                               
closure.   She added that,  should the  bill pass in  its current                                                               
form,  the division  would need  to  find a  different method  to                                                               
collect  the results  from  the majority  of  the precincts  that                                                               
relied on an analogue or cellular network to transmit results.                                                                  
MR.  MASON pointed  out that  the  language in  question was  not                                                               
included in the original version of  the bill.  He explained that                                                               
it was added  in an effort to compromise with  the Senate version                                                               
of the bill.  He directed  attention to the following sentence in                                                               
Subsection (d),  which specified  that "all tabulator  data shall                                                               
be loaded from  the tabulator onto a separate  storage device and                                                               
transmitted  from  a  computer  that  is  not  connected  to  the                                                               
5:33:22 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN suggested removing  the ability to connect                                                               
to the Internet entirely, as the  connection would not be used to                                                               
transmit results.                                                                                                               
MR.  MASON pointed  out that  removing the  connectivity entirely                                                               
would  preclude the  ability  to update  or  fix the  open-source                                                               
software on the tabulator.                                                                                                      
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  asked  whether  the  software  could  be                                                               
updated with CD-Rom or USB.                                                                                                     
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS suggested  that Representative Eastman draft                                                               
an amendment to address his concerns.                                                                                           
5:35:12 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  STORY questioned  whether two  days post-election                                                               
was sufficient  time for  the director  to send  notifications of                                                               
deficient  ballots  for  the  curing process.    She  shared  her                                                               
understanding  that [SB  39] was  amended to  include a  five-day                                                               
deadline  and  inquired  about the  rationale  for  the  expanded                                                               
timeline [in the Senate].                                                                                                       
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  expressed his support for  the ballot curing                                                               
process.  He deferred to Ms. Fenumiai.                                                                                          
MS. FENUMIAI  was unsure why  the Senate  made that change.   She                                                               
opined that any curing process  put into statute should allow for                                                               
the maximum amount of time possible.                                                                                            
5:37:43 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE STORY  asked whether the division  was amenable to                                                               
five  days post-election,  as opposed  to two  days.   She opined                                                               
that dive days seemed more reasonable.                                                                                          
MS. FENUMIAI agreed that more time would be favorable.                                                                          
5:39:45 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR expressed  her concern  about the  language,                                                               
"the  director  shall immediately  make  a  reasonable effort  to                                                               
contact the voter", on page 19,  lines 17-18.  She suggested that                                                               
"reasonable effort" needed further clarification.                                                                               
MR. MASON  highlighted that the  ballot curing  sections [Section                                                               
41  and Section  42] mirrored  provisions in  Governor Dunleavy's                                                               
election bill.   He explained that the original version  of HB 66                                                               
included a more  lenient [ballot curing] system  that utilized an                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR, in  response to  a follow-up  question from                                                               
Representative   Tuck,  opined   that  "reasonable   effort"  was                                                               
ambiguous  and could  be challenged.    Additionally, she  agreed                                                               
with Representative Story's suggestion  of increasing the two-day                                                               
time  period.   She  went  on  to  address  the minimum  pay  for                                                               
election workers.   She expressed  her support for  raising their                                                               
pay   to    $15.50;   however,    she   wondered    whether   the                                                               
prescriptiveness of  the language would prevent  election workers                                                               
from being paid more than $15.50                                                                                                
MR. MASON recalled  the drafting process of  the original version                                                               
of  HB  66, indicating  that  the  intent  was to  reflect  DOE's                                                               
processes during the 2020 election.   He opined that the language                                                               
would not  restrict election  workers from  being paid  more than                                                               
the minimum  amount.  Further,  he suggested tying the  pay scale                                                               
to a  step above minimum wage,  to ensure that their  wages would                                                               
be adjusted annually for inflation.                                                                                             
5:45:06 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE TARR  asked the  director to weigh  in on  the pay                                                               
scale and the difficulty of attracting employees.                                                                               
MS.  FENUMIAI understood  the language  [in Section  53] to  mean                                                               
that the division  shall pay not less than  $15.50.  Nonetheless,                                                               
she  acknowledged  that  by  cementing  an  arbitrary  number  in                                                               
statute, the  division would  have less  flexibility to  make pay                                                               
increases.   She believed that it  would be easier to  keep rates                                                               
of  pay in  regulation, as  opposed to  statute, and  adjust them                                                               
accordingly   with  the   budget   increases   provided  by   the                                                               
legislature.  She  noted that DOE had submitted  a budget request                                                               
to  increase election  worker compensation  to $20  per hour  for                                                               
precinct workers,  which would  require amending  the regulations                                                               
to accommodate the new rates of pay if passed.                                                                                  
REPRESENTATIVE TARR  pointed out  that the statutory  language in                                                               
Version O,  should it  pass, would  supersede the  regulatory pay                                                               
increase;  therefore,  the  division's   plan  for  the  upcoming                                                               
election would be impacted.                                                                                                     
MS. FENUMIAI confirmed.   She maintained her  belief that keeping                                                               
the pay scale in regulation  would provide the division with more                                                               
flexibility to increase pay, which was much needed, she opined.                                                                 
REPRESENTATIVE TARR asked whether  Ms. Fenumiai would prefer that                                                               
the minimum  compensation for election workers  exist in statute,                                                               
as  written  in  Version  O,  or that  the  pay  scale  remain  a                                                               
regulatory item.                                                                                                                
MS.  FENUMIAI suggested  that the  word "minimum"  could lead  to                                                               
speculation  about pay  increases.    Additionally, she  asserted                                                               
that  pay increases  were  a budgetary  concern,  as raising  the                                                               
minimum pay  from $12.50  an hour to  [$15.50] was  a substantial                                                               
increase for the division.                                                                                                      
5:48:49 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  KAUFMAN  returned  attention to  Section  44  and                                                               
asked how  a person would  identify whether a  precinct tabulator                                                               
was connected to a cellular network.                                                                                            
MS. FENUMIAI explained that the  current precinct tabulators were                                                               
not  equipped  with  an  internal mechanism  to  connect  to  the                                                               
Internet, adding  that they  used an  external modem  to connect.                                                               
She said  if the bill  were to pass,  the precincts would  not be                                                               
provided with the external modems to attach to the tabulators.                                                                  
REPRESENTATIVE  KAUFMAN pondered  strengthening  the language  to                                                               
clarify that  modem connections were  not permissible.   He asked                                                               
whether that would create a hardship for the division.                                                                          
MS.   FENUMIAI  offered   to  follow   up   with  the   requested                                                               
5:50:28 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE   KAUFMAN  directed   attention  to   Section  44,                                                               
subsections (d) and (e), and  asked whether there were safeguards                                                               
against someone  accessing the computer [that  the storage device                                                               
connects to].                                                                                                                   
MS. FENUMIAI  conveyed that Alaska remained  a paper-based ballot                                                               
system, which  in itself  was a safeguard.   She  emphasized that                                                               
the machines  underwent logic and  accuracy testing  conducted by                                                               
bipartisan  boards  before  each  election.    Additionally,  the                                                               
machines were sealed  with security seals, which  were not broken                                                               
for any reason.                                                                                                                 
5:52:28 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  asked whether myAlaska had  the capacity to                                                               
[send  notifications to  voters].   She suggested  implementing a                                                               
notification system  that could be  used for tracking  and curing                                                               
MS.  FENUMIAI  said  she was  unfamiliar  with  innerworkings  of                                                               
myAlaska.  She added that currently,  DOE did not use the website                                                               
for anything.   She conveyed that  Ballot Trax would be  used for                                                               
the upcoming  special election, which  had the ability  to notify                                                               
voters who had opted in of the need for a cure.                                                                                 
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  requested additional information  on Ballot                                                               
MS.   FENUMIAI  offered   to  follow   up   with  the   requested                                                               
5:56:03 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE KAUFMAN sought to  confirm that voters were purged                                                               
from the  voter roll after  failing to vote for  four consecutive                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK deferred to Ms. Fenumiai.                                                                                   
MS.  FENUMIAI  remarked  that   the  list  maintenance  procedure                                                               
involved a  "lookback" of  two years.   She  stated that  a voter                                                               
remained on the roll for  two federal general election cycles, or                                                               
four years, past the point of inactivity.                                                                                       
REPRESENTATIVE  KAUFMAN asked  Ms.  Fenumiai to  opine on  [Risk-                                                               
Limiting Audits (RLAs)]  and whether they offered  a valid method                                                               
for verifying the accuracy of the system.                                                                                       
MS. FENUMIAI declined to comment at this time.                                                                                  
REPRESENTATIVE KAUFMAN  asked whether she would  feel comfortable                                                               
sharing her opinion on that subject in the future.                                                                              
MS.  FENUMIAI  believed  that  it  was  a  policy  call  for  the                                                               
legislature.   She added  that the division  would carry  out the                                                               
statute as directed.                                                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE KAUFMAN  asked whether  the director  would advise                                                               
the legislature  upon the discovery of  any gaps or flaws  in the                                                               
auditing system.                                                                                                                
MS.  FENUMIAI remarked  that it  was not  the director's  role to                                                               
advise the legislature  on those decisions.   She reiterated that                                                               
she  had not  read through  the proposed  auditing provisions  in                                                               
great detail; nonetheless, she acquiesced  that if directed to do                                                               
so, the division would comply.                                                                                                  
5:59:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MASON noted that Mr. Roe was available to speak to RLAs.                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE KAUFMAN  asked whether  RLAs could be  trusted and                                                               
whether they were "the best way  to go" in regard to the auditing                                                               
MR.  ROE stated  that all  post-election audits,  including RLAs,                                                               
were   important  tools   in  addition   to  open-source   voting                                                               
equipment.     Ultimately,  he  said,  building   secure  systems                                                               
included multiple layers of protection.                                                                                         
REPRESENTATIVE  KAUFMAN  asked  whether Version  O  required  the                                                               
renewal of absentee ballot requests each election cycle.                                                                        
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  explained that after requesting  an absentee                                                               
ballot, the  voter could continue  to vote absentee  until he/she                                                               
missed two  election cycles, in  which case the voter  would need                                                               
to reapply.   He  emphasized that  permanent absentee  voting was                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE KAUFMAN shared his  belief the requiring voters to                                                               
request an  absentee ballot  annually would  act as  a "failsafe"                                                               
against unused ballots being sent out into "the ether."                                                                         
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK  said permanent absentee voting  was a policy                                                               
call.  Nonetheless,  he pointed out that absentee  voting made it                                                               
more convenient  for senior citizens, disabled  people, and those                                                               
living  in rural  Alaska.    He conveyed  that  the  idea was  to                                                               
capitalize on the success of  the [2020] election, which saw over                                                               
60 percent statewide participation due  to the the convenience of                                                               
by-mail voting.   He added that he opposed the  idea of requiring                                                               
voters to reapply for absentee ballots on an annual basis.                                                                      
6:04:35 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR KREISS-TOMKINS  announced that the  proposed CS for  HB 66,                                                               
Version O, was held over.                                                                                                       

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 66 Testimony League of Women Voters Alaska 04.21.2022.pdf HSTA 4/26/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 66
HB 66 Additional Info - Little Hoover Commission April 2021.pdf HSTA 4/26/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 66
HB 271 Amendment I.1 - Kreiss-Tomkins.pdf HSTA 4/26/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 271
HB 271 Letter of Support - Susitna River Coalition 04.21.22.pdf HSTA 4/26/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 271
HB 142 Amendment W.16 - Eastman.pdf HSTA 4/26/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 142
HB 396 Fiscal Note DOR-TRS-04-22-22.pdf HSTA 4/26/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 396
HB 396 Amendment I.1 -- Kreiss-Tomkins.pdf HSTA 4/26/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 396
HB 142 Amendment Packet with Votes HSTA 04.26.22.pdf HSTA 4/26/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 142