Legislature(2023 - 2024)BARNES 124

03/06/2024 01:00 PM House RESOURCES

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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
*+ HB 387 OIL & GAS TAX CREDIT: JACK-UP RIG TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
*+ HB 388 COOK INLET RESERVE-BASED LENDING TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Rescheduled to 03/11/24>
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= SB 92 STATE OWNERSHIP OF SUBMERGED LAND TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Canceled>
+= HB 223 TAX & ROYALTY FOR CERTAIN GAS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 223(RES) Out of Committee
            HB 387-OIL & GAS TAX CREDIT: JACK-UP RIG                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:38:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY announced  that the first order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 387, "An Act  relating to a tax credit for certain                                                               
oil and  gas equipment in  the Cook Inlet sedimentary  basin; and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:39:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCKAY,   on  behalf  of   the  House   Resources  Standing                                                               
Committee, sponsor,  presented the  sponsor statement for  HB 387                                                               
[included  in  the  committee  packet],  which  read  as  follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     As we  face the  reality of a  shortage in  natural gas                                                                    
     production in Cook Inlet,  the backbone of Southcentral                                                                    
     Alaska's energy  supply, the urgency  to act  has never                                                                    
     been  more  critical.  Cook  Inlet   gas  has  been  an                                                                    
     invaluable resource  as an affordable,  reliable energy                                                                    
     source   that  has   powered  homes,   businesses,  and                                                                    
     industry  for  decades.  Projections indicate  a  rapid                                                                    
     decrease in  gas supply in  the coming years  under the                                                                    
     current  market conditions,  a scenario  that threatens                                                                    
     the   energy  security   of  over   half  of   Alaska's                                                                    
     population and  could lead to our  reliance on imported                                                                    
     Liquefied  Natural Gas  (LNG),  which is  likely to  be                                                                    
     significantly more expensive.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Jack-up  rigs are  specialized  offshore drilling  rigs                                                                    
     necessary  for  developing  Cook  Inlet  gas  reserves.                                                                    
     Currently  the  state has  only  one  rig available,  a                                                                    
     handcuff  on  any   significant  increase  in  drilling                                                                    
     activity. The  bill proposes a targeted  incentive that                                                                    
     will increase  the project  economics for  investing in                                                                    
     another  jack-up  rig  to  be used  in  Cook  Inlet  to                                                                    
     explore  for and  extract natural  gas  by providing  a                                                                    
     carry-forward tax credit equal  to the costs associated                                                                    
     with purchasing and transporting  the rig to Alaska. HB
     387  has  a clear  goal:  to  increase exploration  and                                                                    
     production  activities,  thereby enhancing  Cook  Inlet                                                                    
     gas reserves and increasing gas production.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     I urge  my colleagues of  the 33rd Legislature  and the                                                                    
     people of  Alaska to support  HB 387 as a  step towards                                                                    
     energy development, economic  resilience, and the long-                                                                    
     term prosperity of our great state.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY added  that this legislation would result  in a large                                                               
increase in local job creation.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:41:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TREVOR  JEPSEN, Staff,  Representative  Tom  McKay, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, on  behalf of the House  Records Standing Committee,                                                               
sponsor,  presented  a  PowerPoint  [hard copy  included  in  the                                                               
committee  packet], entitled  "HB 387  - Cook  Inlet Jack-Up  Rig                                                               
Credit."   He covered the information  on slide 2, which  read as                                                               
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Cook Inlet Gas Shortage                                                                                                    
     .notdef South Central will face an increasing gas production                                                               
     shortage in the coming years                                                                                               
     .notdef Fallback solution to Cook Inlet gas is LNG imports                                                                 
     .notdef LNG imports estimated to be significantly  more                                                                    
     expensive,   however   exact  increase   is   currently                                                                    
     speculative                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:41:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEPSEN explained  that the  results  of a  July 2023  public                                                               
opinion  poll  of  Southcentral residents  showed  a  72  percent                                                               
opposition  to importing  natural  gas and  a  nearly 60  percent                                                               
level of  support for  incentives to find  and produce  more Cook                                                               
Inlet  gas.    If  liquified   natural  gas  (LNG)  imports  were                                                               
significantly  cheaper, there  would  be more  support, but  that                                                               
likely will not  be the case.  Many reliable  stakeholders in the                                                               
state  such  as Enstar  and  the  Alaska Energy  Authority  (AEA)                                                               
expect LNG  imports to  be more expensive  than what  is produced                                                               
with Cook Inlet gas.  To  avoid the potential economic impacts of                                                               
rapidly increasing energy  costs and to take  public opinion into                                                               
account, the  legislature owes it  to Alaskans to  find solutions                                                               
and incentivize more Cook Inlet  gas exploration, production, and                                                               
development.   He explained that figure  1 on slide 2  showed the                                                               
AEA's  projected costs  of coal,  natural gas,  and LNG  over the                                                               
next 16 years.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:43:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEPSEN moved  to slide  3, which  read as  follows [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Jack-Up Drilling Rigs 3                                                                                                    
     .notdef Specialized rig for relatively shallow offshore                                                                    
     drilling in  the mobile  offshore drilling  unit (MODU)                                                                    
     class of drill rigs                                                                                                        
     .notdef Consists of floating hull and extendable legs                                                                      
     .notdef Necessary for exploration,   development,   and                                                                    
     production of Cook Inlet gas                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEPSON  called the committee's  attention to figure  2, which                                                               
illustrated types  of drilling rigs  and pointed out  the jack-up                                                               
rig, the type of drill rig used for offshore shallow waters.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:43:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEPSON explained that there was  only one jack-up rig in Cook                                                               
Inlet and  HB 387 was  solely aimed at  getting a second  rig and                                                               
then  potentially a  third in  the future.   He  showed slide  4,                                                               
which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Why HB 387?                                                                                                                
     .notdef Second jack-up rig in Cook Inlet will be required to                                                               
     adequately explore for and develop gas reserves                                                                            
     .notdef Current jack-up rig in Cook Inlet (Spartan 151) will                                                               
     be drilling  for the foreseeable future;  any new major                                                                    
     development   (Cosmopolitan,   Kitchen   Lights)   will                                                                    
     require the presence of a second rig.                                                                                      
     .notdef Federal leases in Cook Inlet require a rig with                                                                    
     longer reach capabilities                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEPSEN  explained that the  decrease in production  from Cook                                                               
Inlet  is due  in  part to  the  lack  of a  second  rig, so  the                                                               
development  of additional  gas  reserves is  not  possible.   In                                                               
addition  to developing  the known  reserves  available on  state                                                               
land,  there are  federal leases  which are  in deeper  water and                                                               
will need  upgraded drilling equipment to  develop those southern                                                               
Cook Inlet leases.   Market interest regarding  investing in Cook                                                               
Inlet development is  currently not a popular option  due to risk                                                               
and rate  of return.   The high cost  of operation in  Cook Inlet                                                               
impacts  both  these  factors.    If  the  state  subsidized  the                                                               
purchase or the  fixing up of a rig  specifically for development                                                               
of Cook Inlet  offshore reserves, it would  partially offset both                                                               
risk and rate of return for  a potential project.  There would be                                                               
risk to the state because  potentially it could cost $50 million.                                                               
He pointed out that there is  not a silver bullet solution to the                                                               
gas  conundrum the  state is  in.   Alaskans want  incentives for                                                               
development rather than having to pay for importing LNG.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:46:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEPSEN moved  to slide  5, which  read as  follows [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Jack-Up Rig Credit Details                                                                                                 
   .notdef Title 43 tax liability reduction credit, not cash                                                                    
     credit                                                                                                                     
     .notdef Applies only to jack-up rigs for Cook Inlet                                                                        
  .notdef Adding language to ensure rigs will be used in Cook                                                                   
     Inlet                                                                                                                      
    .notdef No significant risk to the state; either Alaska                                                                     
       benefits from a second rig & increase drilling, or                                                                       
     credit is not utilized                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEPSEN pointed  out that  the current  language in  the bill                                                               
would not ensure  the rigs would be used for  drilling in Alaska.                                                               
This would be  addressed in a proposed  amendment.  Additionally,                                                               
a three-year drilling  contract would be required  to receive the                                                               
credit to provide incentives to  drill in Alaska rather than just                                                               
to transport the rigs.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:47:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY commented  that it is highly likely the  rig would be                                                               
leased rather than purchased.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEPSON  responded that he  has had conversations  with people                                                               
in the industry,  and there was potential  interest in purchasing                                                               
a rig as well as leasing.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:48:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEARS  asked about the limitations  of the jack-up                                                               
rigs to  reach other  federal leases and  whether there  would be                                                               
interest in another type of rig.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:49:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEPSON explained that it was  particular to that type of rig.                                                               
The Spartan Rig has a capability of  150 to 200 feet, so a second                                                               
rig would need to reach another  couple hundred feet.  The second                                                               
jack-up  rig  would  be  more   expensive  but  more  capable  of                                                               
operating in  deeper water.  At  this point in time,  there is no                                                               
particular interest in the federal deep-water leases.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY  pointed out that  different jack-ups  have different                                                               
leg  heights so  that  they  can work  in  deeper  water.   After                                                               
determining the  drilling location, the appropriate  size jack-up                                                               
would be chosen to reach those ocean water depths.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:49:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEARS inquired about the  cost to own or lease and                                                               
the  transportation for  a jack-up.    She pointed  out that  the                                                               
previous statute that  dealt with jack-up rigs  had a $20-million                                                               
limit.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEPSON  responded that the  cost to purchase and  transport a                                                               
rig would be $50-$75 million.   He explained that credit referred                                                               
to by Representative  Mears was under AS 43.55.425.   That credit                                                               
was a  direct cash  payout based  on the  cost of  an exploration                                                               
well.  By contrast, HB  387 incentivizes purchasing and getting a                                                               
rig  to  Cook  Inlet.    The previous  credits  were  focused  on                                                               
exploration drills, and there was  less risk because if a company                                                               
drilled a dry hole, they were  still covered.  The earlier credit                                                               
was aimed  at the first three  wells being drilled for  a jack-up                                                               
rig.   The  requirements  for  the credits  under  this bill  are                                                               
significantly  different from  those mentioned  by Representative                                                               
Mears.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEARS  requested additional  information regarding                                                               
the tax credits and how long they would be on the books.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEPSON  responded that  HB 387 was  written to  be relatively                                                               
broad and applied  to all of Title 43 which  deals with corporate                                                               
income tax to all  oil and gas taxes.  It  was structured in that                                                               
manner  in  order  not  to  limit the  credits  to  oil  and  gas                                                               
companies that might bring a rig  to Alaska.  It would also apply                                                               
to   other  entities   such  as   a  Native   corporation  or   a                                                               
transportation company  that might  want to  invest in  a jack-up                                                               
rig.  The previous jack-up rig  credits were only for oil and gas                                                               
companies that  were drilling a well.   The specifics of  the tax                                                               
credits and the  length of time they would be  on the books would                                                               
depend on  whether the credits would  be used by a  large company                                                               
or a smaller entity.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:53:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER asked  whether  the tax  credit could  be                                                               
applied  against any  Title 43  tax,  whether it  is a  corporate                                                               
income tax or an oil and gas tax.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEPSON answered that is correct.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER  asked  who   would  qualify.    He  also                                                               
requested a break-down of rig purchase and transportation costs.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEPSON  explained  there  is  not  full  cost  analysis  but                                                               
reiterated that the  total costs would range between  $50 and $75                                                               
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  wanted to know whether  the credits would                                                               
extend beyond the initial purchase and transportation costs.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEPSON  responded that  an amendment  had been  drafted which                                                               
would be presented  as a committee substitute.   It would require                                                               
the rig  to be  used in  Alaska for  a minimum  of three  to five                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  asked whether a second  jack-up rig would                                                               
devalue the rig currently operating.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEPSON   explained  that  that  was   difficult  to  answer.                                                               
However, meeting energy  needs would require two  rigs going full                                                               
time.   Overall, the  bill would  target a  jack-up rig,  but the                                                               
overarching idea  would be  to increase  project economics  for a                                                               
large-scale development project.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:56:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY explained where some of  the rigs might come from.  A                                                               
company that wanted  to make an investment could  bring a jack-up                                                               
rig on  a heavy lift vessel  from the Gulf of  Mexico through the                                                               
Panama  Canal or  from  Southeast Asia  which  would avoid  going                                                               
through the Panama Canal.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:57:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEPSON   completed  the  presentation  with   the  sectional                                                               
analysis, which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section  1: Amends  AS 43.98  by adding  a new  section                                                                    
     (43.98.080) which  introduces a tax credit  for persons                                                                    
     installing a jack-up rig in  the Cook Inlet sedimentary                                                                    
     basin.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2: Provides for an effective date.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:58:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MEARS asked  whether  been  an economic  analysis                                                               
which would show the cost/benefit to the State of Alaska.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEPSON explained that would  be a highly speculative economic                                                               
analysis  because  it would  be  based  on  the belief  that  LNG                                                               
imports would  be significantly  more expensive.   If  gas prices                                                               
doubled and tripled over  the next 10 to 15 years,  then a $50 to                                                               
$100 million credit  would far offset the cost  to the ratepayers                                                               
over that period of time, which  would be hundreds of millions or                                                               
billions  of  dollars in  extra  fuel  costs  in that  same  time                                                               
period.  From a high-level  extrapolation, it seemed pretty clear                                                               
the credit  would be worth  it if  those costs could  be avoided.                                                               
However, it  would come back  to the level  of risk the  state is                                                               
willing to take.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY commented that the  state would be leveraging oil and                                                               
gas that is  in the ground which might never  be produced, and if                                                               
it doesn't  get produced, then it  has no value.   There would be                                                               
no  cash out  of  the  treasury unlike  the  old  oil tax  credit                                                               
program of the previous decade.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:59:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MEARS described  some  of her  research into  the                                                               
economics of  purchasing LNG and  found a reference  to purchased                                                               
LNG at  $12 per  one thousand  cubic feet  (MCF).   She suggested                                                               
that might be helpful in a cost analysis.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JEPSON offered  clarification by  referring to  data showing                                                               
that LNG would likely  come in at $16 per MCF  and there would be                                                               
strong  upward pressure  for that  to increase  in the  following                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:00:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER  asked  whether  the  tax  credits  would                                                               
provide the  most incentives for  companies that had  property or                                                               
who  were already  producers rather  than new  entrants into  the                                                               
market  that would  have to  purchase, transport,  and drill  and                                                               
would probably be in the red for a number of years.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. JEPSON  agreed that it  would probably not be  economical for                                                               
new entrants.   However,  if a  non-oil and  gas company  were to                                                               
bring the  rig here  with the  idea of leasing  it out,  it would                                                               
help new  entrants because  there would be  a second  jack-up rig                                                               
available to lease, and there would be a downstream effect.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:02:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCKAY announced that HB 387 was held over.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB387 Sponsor Statement 3.06.24.pdf HRES 3/6/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 387
HB387 ver B 3.06.24.pdf HRES 3/6/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 387
HB387 Sectional Analysis ver B 3.06.24.pdf HRES 3/6/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 387
HB387 Presentation 3.06.24.pdf HRES 3/6/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 387
HB387 Fiscal Note DOR 3.06.24.pdf HRES 3/6/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 387