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05/06/2022 01:00 PM House RESOURCES

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           SB 219-TRANSFER PERSONAL USE CABIN PERMITS                                                                       
1:05:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR PATKOTAK announced  that the first order  of business would                                                               
be SENATE  BILL NO. 219,  "An Act  providing for the  transfer of                                                               
and addition of names to a  personal use cabin permit for a cabin                                                               
on state land; and providing for an effective date."                                                                            
1:05:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  PETER  MICCICHE,  Alaska  State  Legislature,  as  prime                                                               
sponsor, presented  SB 219.  He  said HB 219 would  fix something                                                               
that  is wrong  with the  way  Alaska state  government is  being                                                               
administered.   He stated that the  bill is not a  long-term fix,                                                               
but it  would allow families with  recreational cabins additional                                                               
time while  the problem is  solved.  This problem,  he explained,                                                               
was  created  by   [House  Bill  109],  passed   in  1997,  which                                                               
terminated [the  1984 Personal Use  Cabin Permit  Program (PUCP)]                                                               
and gave Alaskans  the opportunity to purchase the  land they had                                                               
been leasing that  had not yet been initiated  by the [Department                                                               
of Natural Resources  (DNR)].  In the 25 years  since that bill's                                                               
passage, families have lost their cabins, he said.                                                                              
SENATOR MICCICHE related  that this issue came to a  head for him                                                               
after receiving  several calls from affected  families, including                                                               
the family  of Greg Bell, a  friend of his killed  in an airplane                                                               
accident who owned  a cabin on the  west side of Cook  Inlet.  He                                                               
said Mr.  Bell's grieving  widow was contacted  by the  state not                                                               
long  afterward that  their cabin  would be  lost.   He explained                                                               
that SB 219  would allow a family to retain  lease of their cabin                                                               
until a  bill is passed  that allows purchase  of that land.   In                                                               
the case  of the Bell's, he  continued, SB 219 would  allow for a                                                               
new name to be put on their lease  for as long as Greg Bell would                                                               
have  lived  in  accordance  with  the  life  expectancy  of  the                                                               
National Center  of Health [Statistics],  which would be  28 more                                                               
years.  The bill would allow  other families to add an additional                                                               
name to their  permits, he further explained,  because the permit                                                               
program has  been closed and  the lease will  go away.   The bill                                                               
will allow more time, Senator  Micciche reiterated, for coming to                                                               
a permanent  solution given this  problem will be growing  as the                                                               
last names on these permits pass on.                                                                                            
CHAIR PATKOTAK  announced that the  committee would  hear invited                                                               
testimony on SB 219.                                                                                                            
1:10:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MARK BELL  testified in support  of SB  219.  He  thanked Senator                                                               
Micciche for  bringing forth SB  219 and  said he is  Greg Bell's                                                               
older  brother.   He  related that  his father  was  a pilot  and                                                               
hunting and  fishing guide  who in the  1970s or  1980s purchased                                                               
"the duck cabin" on  the west side of Cook Inlet  on the banks of                                                               
Big River  where he,  Greg, and their  other brother  spent their                                                               
summers  growing up.   Sometime  after the  cabin's purchase,  he                                                               
recounted, DNR  required a permit  for use  of the cabin,  so his                                                               
father  put  the permit  in  Greg's  name  because Greg  was  the                                                               
youngest  child, but  the family  has  been unable  to find  that                                                               
original permit.   He said that  when their father died  in 1987,                                                               
he, Greg, and their mother  continued the family's business, High                                                               
Adventure Air  Charter, Guides  and Outfitters  in Soldotna.   He                                                               
stated  that on  7/31/2020 a  pilot who  did not  have a  medical                                                               
license  to fly  flew into  Greg's  plane, killing  Greg and  all                                                               
passengers aboard.   This devastation  was hard enough,  Mr. Bell                                                               
shared, but  then Greg's  wife received a  letter from  the state                                                               
notifying her  that the duck  cabin permit would expire,  and the                                                               
cabin would have  to be removed because Greg,  the permit holder,                                                               
had died.   He said  that this  cabin extended his  connection to                                                               
remote  Alaska,  and  he  would like  his  kids,  grandkids,  and                                                               
friends  to continue  being able  to use  it.   He asked  for the                                                               
committee's help and said he  would appreciate the opportunity to                                                               
renew the cabin's permit, possibly through Greg's son.                                                                          
CHAIR  PATKOTAK offered  his empathy  for  the loss  of a  family                                                               
1:21:16 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR PATKOTAK opened public testimony on SB 219.                                                                               
1:21:36 PM                                                                                                                    
CHRIS LUITEN  testified in support  of SB  219.  He  related that                                                               
his 92-year-old  father has a permit  for a cabin in  the Susitna                                                               
Flats area,  and when his  father passes  away the cabin  will be                                                               
taken  away or  burned down.   The  cabin is  only accessible  by                                                               
airplane, he related,  and for many years his family  has let the                                                               
[U.S. Fish  and Wildlife Service]  use the cabin for  research on                                                               
migratory birds.   He said he would like the  opportunity to pass                                                               
the  cabin to  his children  and  grandchildren, and  to have  it                                                               
taken away by the state would be terrible.                                                                                      
1:23:29 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  PATKOTAK   closed  public   testimony  on  SB   219  after                                                               
ascertaining that no one else wished to testify.                                                                                
1:23:51 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN asked whether  these are trespass cabins on                                                               
state  land that  were permitted  with a  lifetime permit  of the                                                               
permittee, of  which 126 are  remaining.  She inquired  about the                                                               
intention of the original because  it doesn't seem from testimony                                                               
that there is  an expectation of a permanent transfer  or a deed,                                                               
but rather a permit transfer to extend the lifetime use.                                                                        
SENATOR MICCICHE confirmed  that it does not transfer  a deed, it                                                               
only  extends the  current usage.   He  referred to  a letter  of                                                               
support from Commissioner  Feige of DNR and said this  has been a                                                               
pressing long-time  issue for  the Division  of Mining,  Land and                                                               
Water.  While  someone can call them trespass  cabins, he stated,                                                               
many other  areas have been opened  in the meantime.   There is a                                                               
list of the ones that are on  the record, he noted, and these are                                                               
the people  that legally got a  lease for a cabin  that was there                                                               
in the first  place for whatever reason.  There  are thousands of                                                               
cabins around  the state  that are trespass  cabins that  are not                                                               
permitted and do  not pay a state lease, he  continued, but these                                                               
are the ones that are following the  rules.  He said SB 219 would                                                               
extend their  lease with the  hope that  there will be  a longer-                                                               
term solution in the future.                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  said she  isn't trying to  impugn people's                                                               
initial actions and  doesn't know whether it comes  from DNR that                                                               
these are  trespass cabins.  She  pointed out that line  2 of the                                                               
sponsor  statement says,  "folks that  had trespassed  onto state                                                               
land and built a cabin."   Regarding the reference to a long-term                                                               
solution, she  asked whether  the sponsor  is meaning  a transfer                                                               
from  state ownership  to private  ownership of  those individual                                                               
permit holders.                                                                                                                 
SENATOR MICCICHE replied  that SB 219 is  about extending current                                                               
leases.  He said if the  legislature does not approve a long-term                                                               
solution  that includes  a deeded  piece of  property, then  that                                                               
will  not happen.   The  1997 law  was to  close out  permits and                                                               
provide ownership  of those cabin  lands, he continued,  and that                                                               
has not occurred.                                                                                                               
1:28:02 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN said she would  like to know from DNR where                                                               
this system  broke down  given there have  been other  land bills                                                               
from  DNR to  fix problems,  but this  has never  been mentioned.                                                               
She said she  would like to know if DNR  is attempting to resolve                                                               
it  anywhere else  or  if it  is another  temporary  fix and  the                                                               
ownership issue is not resolved.                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE estimated  that several  hundred families  have                                                               
lost the use  of their cabins over the years  without a temporary                                                               
Band-Aid.   He said SB  219 is a  Band-Aid so that  more families                                                               
won't  lose  their  cabins  right  now until  there  is  a  final                                                               
solution.   These  are  the folks  following,  not breaking,  the                                                               
rules, he stated, and nothing has been done since the 1997 law.                                                                 
1:29:53 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  PATKOTAK requested  Ms. Colles  to address  Representative                                                               
Hannan's questions.                                                                                                             
1:30:15 PM                                                                                                                    
CHRISTIANNA  COLLES, Chief  of  Operations,  Division of  Mining,                                                               
Land  and Water  (DMLW), Department  of Natural  Resources (DNR),                                                               
responded  that  these cabins  were  in  existence prior  to  the                                                               
legislation  that allowed  DNR  in 1985  to  authorize by  permit                                                               
individuals who  come to DNR to  say who they would  like to have                                                               
on the permit  for the cabin.  The statute,  AS 38.04.035(4), was                                                               
repealed in  1997, she said.   She explained that there  has been                                                               
discussion about  the other  program that  was established  - the                                                               
remote  recreational cabin  permit program  - which  is a  remote                                                               
recreational  cabin staking  program  that DNR  developed and  is                                                               
competitive.   The  department  couldn't provide  a  fix for  the                                                               
personal  use  cabin  permit  because DNR  hasn't  been  able  to                                                               
establish a new  statute that allows it to  continue this program                                                               
following its 1997 repeal.  Ms.  Colles said almost half of these                                                               
are currently  located in  legislatively designated  areas across                                                               
the state, so  it's not an easy fix even  if legislation is found                                                               
that allows DNR  to convey these from state ownership.   Most are                                                               
in  the   Northern  [Region]   and  Southcentral   [Region],  she                                                               
continued, and none are currently in the Southeast [Region].                                                                    
1:32:23 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  asked whether, since 1997,  the department                                                               
has proposed  legislation to  resolve this issue  and be  able to                                                               
transfer from permits to deeds.                                                                                                 
MS. COLLES replied that she is  not aware of any such legislation                                                               
that the  department has put  forward, although there  might have                                                               
been  bills proposed  in the  legislature.   She  related that  a                                                               
current bill before  the legislature, SB 133, would  allow DNR to                                                               
issue  permits to  individuals for  recreational purposes.   That                                                               
bill, she continued,  would help DNR authorize these  under a new                                                               
program and  allow people  to continue  them without  such strict                                                               
regulation like what  is currently on the books.   The department                                                               
cannot  amend its  regulations if  it doesn't  have a  supporting                                                               
statute for those  regulations, she stated, and a  new statute in                                                               
SB  133 would  provide a  path for  permitting as  well as  for a                                                               
lease and then eventually sale.                                                                                                 
1:33:39 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS  observed in the DNR  document, titled "NRO                                                               
PUCP    2022," that there are  [23] locations.  He  asked whether                                                               
these [23]  cabins are all  personal use cabins for  the Northern                                                               
MS.  COLLES  responded she  is  unsure  which document  is  being                                                               
referred to and so cannot answer the question.                                                                                  
SENATOR MICCICHE offered  his belief that this  list, provided by                                                               
DNR, is specifically the Susitna  Flats, Trading Bay, and Redoubt                                                               
Bay area.  He  said he thinks there are 126, and  these are for a                                                               
specific area.                                                                                                                  
REPRESENTATIVE  FIELDS  said  he  wants to  understand  this  and                                                               
directed his question to Ms. Boomershine.                                                                                       
1:35:08 PM                                                                                                                    
LAURA   BOOMERSHINE,   Legislative   Liaison,   Office   of   the                                                               
Commissioner,  Department of  Natural Resources  (DNR), explained                                                               
that  the  "NRO,"  the  Northern Regional  Office,  is  more  the                                                               
Fairbanks area for  the cabins.  She said the  second list is for                                                               
the  Southcentral Regional  [Office], but  it is  in a  different                                                               
format than  the other region.   They  are located only  in those                                                               
regions, she stated, not in Southeast Alaska or other areas.                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS  concluded that there are  two dozen cabins                                                               
in the  north.  He  said it seems  like DNR's assumption  is that                                                               
fewer  cabins are  wanted.   He asked  whether gradually  phasing                                                               
down  the  number  of  cabins   is  for  environmental  and  game                                                               
management reasons.                                                                                                             
MS. COLLES answered that that  is not the department's intention.                                                               
She stated  that since the statute  was repealed in 1997  DNR was                                                               
not  able to  do  any  changes to  the  regulations allowing  the                                                               
cabins to continue.   She said DNR's understanding  from when the                                                               
legislature created  the statute in  the 1980s and  then repealed                                                               
it  in  the   1990s  was  that  these  cabins   were  to  sunset;                                                               
individuals  would be  allowed to  use the  cabins and  then over                                                               
time  it would  sunset, and  the  cabins would  either come  into                                                               
state ownership  or be removed  by the owners.   The department's                                                               
understanding  from its  research on  this specific  program, she                                                               
added,  was that  it was  more of  a legislative  will for  it to                                                               
1:37:04 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS asked whether  any personal use cabins have                                                               
become public  and whether the  department manages  public cabins                                                               
in these areas.                                                                                                                 
MS. COLLES responded  that DNR manages public  use cabins through                                                               
the Division  of Parks  and Outdoor Recreation.   She  said there                                                               
have been  discussions in  the past about  opening to  public use                                                               
some of these  cabins, including trapping cabins  and others that                                                               
might be  left on  state land.   The  concern, she  continued, is                                                               
whether it would then be  a state responsibility to maintain them                                                               
and ensure they are safe for  the public to utilize.  She related                                                               
that communities  have come together  and obtained a  permit from                                                               
DNR to utilize  those cabins for safety cabins.   She stated that                                                               
DNR  is not  against allowing  cabins on  state land,  rather DNR                                                               
prefers  to have  somebody that  is responsible  for the  cabins.                                                               
Ms. Colles said a statute is  needed that gives DNR the authority                                                               
to authorize that cabin.                                                                                                        
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS  asked whether  any PUCPs  in the  areas of                                                               
Trader Bay,  Redoubt Bay,  Susitna Flats,  Palmer Hay  Flats, and                                                               
the Northern  Region have  been transferred  into some  manner of                                                               
public  use  sponsored  by  a  local group  and  managed  by  the                                                               
department, for example.                                                                                                        
MS. COLLES  answered that there might  be a few and  she will get                                                               
that information to the committee.                                                                                              
1:38:50 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE pointed out that  there are many different types                                                               
of cabin programs, many different  types of cabins on state land,                                                               
and SB  219 addresses only a  small subset of those  many cabins.                                                               
He said  there is  no effort by  the state to  reduce the  use of                                                               
private recreational cabins  on state land.  He  related that the                                                               
reason for  [House Bill 109]  in 1997  was to rewrite  the remote                                                               
cabin program to  a program that would allow for  either the sale                                                               
or lease of land  for a remote cabin site.   There are many other                                                               
programs of state  land being issued for sale,  he continued, and                                                               
committee members  should not  get the  impression that  that was                                                               
the reason for SB 219.                                                                                                          
REPRESENTATIVE  CRONK related  that  he has  run  into a  similar                                                               
situation with his trapping cabin  permit as there is no transfer                                                               
after something  happens to him;  therefore, he  said appreciates                                                               
SB 219.   He urged  that there be  clarification on "what  we can                                                               
do" and let those families continue using those cabins.                                                                         
1:42:15 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN surmised that half  of the 126 cabins being                                                               
spoken of are in legislatively  designated land areas.  She asked                                                               
whether permanent  transfer deeds  of ownership would  be allowed                                                               
on some of those lands or none of the lands.                                                                                    
MS.  COLLES replied  that  DNR is  disallowed  from disposing  of                                                               
lands within  legislatively designated  areas, so  it would  be a                                                               
complication DNR would  have to work through to  dispose of these                                                               
particular cabins  and the  property underlying  them.   She said                                                               
that  in the  Southcentral  region those  areas  are Redoubt  Bay                                                               
Critical Habitat  Area, Susitna  Flats, and  Trading Bay,  and in                                                               
the Northern region they are Minto Flats and Tanana Valley.                                                                     
1:43:45 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN asked  whether the bill would  allow a one-                                                               
time transfer,  or a continual  sequence of permit  transfers, or                                                               
an addition.                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE responded that the bill  has two parts.  He said                                                               
one part would allow an immediate  family member to add, one time                                                               
only, an  individual from his or  her family to the  permit.  The                                                               
other  part, he  stated, would  apply to  permit holders  who die                                                               
before  their average  life expectancy  age as  per the  National                                                               
Center for Health Statistics.   So, he explained, if someone dies                                                               
before  his or  her average  life  expectancy is  up, the  family                                                               
could submit  the name  of an immediate  family member  to assume                                                               
the  privileges of  that permit  and that  permit would  be valid                                                               
until reaching  what would have  been the life expectancy  of the                                                               
original permit holder.  Senator  Micciche noted that the current                                                               
average  life expectancy  of Alaskans  is 78.8  years old,  so it                                                               
would be  a one-time extension  to the natural  [life] expectancy                                                               
of  [the permittee]  who has  passed.   He said  he has  tried to                                                               
provide  a solution  under  SB  219 for  the  issue families  are                                                               
1:46:06 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN asked  whether the Bell family  is the only                                                               
one of the 126 that is  captured by the retroactive date of 1/1/2                                                               
or whether there are others.   She further asked whether the Bell                                                               
permit is  no longer in the  count of 126 because  technically it                                                               
is expired.                                                                                                                     
SENATOR MICCICHE  answered that it  does capture the  Bell family                                                               
and he  doesn't believe the  Bell family  is included in  the 126                                                               
because  their  permit  is  not  active.    He  deferred  to  the                                                               
department to answer  further.  He related that  Caribou Hills on                                                               
the Kenai  Peninsula is an area  of state land with  many cabins.                                                               
Most of  them are  permitted, he continued,  these are  the folks                                                               
who  followed the  rules.   Not  all the  cabins  are the  remote                                                               
application, he  added, they  are far  less remote,  and it  is a                                                               
populous place on a February weekend.                                                                                           
1:49:05 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR PATKOTAK  offered his  belief that  Representative Hannan's                                                               
question was  speaking to  page 3,  Section 2,  line 9,  where it                                                               
states:   "that expired on or  after January 1, 2020,  and before                                                               
the effective date of this Act".   He asked how many permits have                                                               
expired during that  window which would then  potentially be able                                                               
to be extended.                                                                                                                 
MS.  COLLES replied  that 45  files have  closed since  1/1/2020.                                                               
She said  DNR would have to  do some research on  the reasons why                                                               
those files were  closed or have people come  tell the department                                                               
that  they qualify  under this  new  statute.   She related  that                                                               
notification for  permit renewal is  sent by mail  and oftentimes                                                               
notifications   are  returned   and  new   addresses  for   those                                                               
individuals  cannot be  found.   So,  she continued,  DNR is  not                                                               
always sure why a  permit is closed and whether it  is due to the                                                               
permittee having  passed away.   She clarified that  some permits                                                               
do  have  additional  individuals  listed on  the  original  1985                                                               
application.  She said she is  unsure why the Bell family was not                                                               
able to add  additional individuals or whether  they were unaware                                                               
that they  could, but at  the time  many people added  5-10 extra                                                               
people onto the permit.   The rule was they just  had to be alive                                                               
at the time and  she believes they had to be  [at least] 18 years                                                               
of age,  she continued,  so DNR  can go  to those  individuals if                                                               
notified that someone has passed away.                                                                                          
CHAIR PATKOTAK  offered his understanding  that under SB  219, if                                                               
any  of  those 45  died  before  their  life expectancy  age,  an                                                               
extension  could be  filed, and  it would  be the  only extension                                                               
that those 45 could apply.                                                                                                      
MS. COLLES confirmed that is correct.                                                                                           
1:51:34 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN,  if SB  219 is  passed, asked  whether the                                                               
sponsor's expectation  is that  DNR would reach  out to  those 45                                                               
lapsed permit  holder units  to discuss if  they are  eligible or                                                               
whether the  sponsor's perception  is that the  onus would  be on                                                               
the permittees  families to  read about it  in the  newspaper and                                                               
know they could [contact DNR].                                                                                                  
SENATOR MICCICHE answered that his  office will be collecting all                                                               
45  names and  contacting them  personally.   He  noted that  the                                                               
construction dates on  some cabins would make them  72 years old.                                                               
He stated he  wasn't aware of the  number of 45, but  that if the                                                               
individuals are not beyond their  [life expectancy date] he hopes                                                               
they  do get  additional  use of  their cabin  until  there is  a                                                               
permanent solution.                                                                                                             
1:53:07 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE MCKAY asked [who owns the cabins].                                                                               
SENATOR   MICCICHE  replied   that  the   cabins  are   owned  by                                                               
individuals but are located on state land owned by the state.                                                                   
REPRESENTATIVE  MCKAY surmised  the  individuals are  responsible                                                               
for the  maintenance.  He  stated that this  is a great  bill and                                                               
that the Bell family [situation] is  a tragedy.  He asked how far                                                               
back the bill goes to fix the loss of cabins over the years.                                                                    
CHAIR PATKOTAK responded January 2020.                                                                                          
REPRESENTATIVE  MCKAY asked  whether  it should  go back  further                                                               
than that.                                                                                                                      
SENATOR MICCICHE answered that a lot  of the cabins are gone.  He                                                               
said he  didn't want to go  back far enough that  it might reopen                                                               
old wounds that  have already healed, but he did  want the recent                                                               
losses to be considered.                                                                                                        
1:55:20 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE FIELDS stated  he doesn't have any  issue with the                                                               
bill.  He  posited that if owners of these  cabins no longer wish                                                               
to maintain  them at some point  in the future, it  would be nice                                                               
for DNR to  have a process of looking at  taking over maintenance                                                               
of those cabins and renting them  out like other state public use                                                               
cabins because it would be a public benefit.                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  replied that he  thinks one of the  reasons for                                                               
the 1997 bill was the fear  of obligating the state for providing                                                               
additional services, and SB 219 doesn't  do that.  He stated that                                                               
if there was  an option by the  state to do so,  there are groups                                                               
like  the Cabin  Hoppers that  would be  willing to  take on  the                                                               
financial obligation of  cabin maintenance.  He  said some cabins                                                               
have been  removed but he doesn't  know the number, and  that the                                                               
leases  have certain  requirements [for  cabin maintenance].   He                                                               
said  he hopes  a solution  is  found for  these families'  legal                                                               
lease usage, but if not, then  an option should be looked at that                                                               
would allow an organization to maintain them for the public.                                                                    
1:57:15 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN  stated  she   has  served  on  the  House                                                               
Resources Standing Committee for four  years and has seen several                                                               
statutory changes proposed by DNR  to resolve land use conflicts,                                                               
but never once  has DNR referenced trying to solve  a problem for                                                               
individuals  who are  current  lease  holders.   She  said it  is                                                               
extremely frustrating to  hear DNR say it has  been waiting since                                                               
1997  for   the  legislature   to  resolve   this.     A  citizen                                                               
legislature, she pointed out, doesn't  know there is a problem at                                                               
an agency level unless the agency  says it has a problem and asks                                                               
for a  fix.  She noted  that the committee will  be considering a                                                               
bill today that focuses on  commercial transfers, which she finds                                                               
frustrating because she  feels more compulsion to  fix issues for                                                               
individual Alaskans than for corporate  Alaska, although there is                                                               
a need for  both.  She said  SB 219 isn't fixing  the problem and                                                               
DNR  is saying  it  is waiting  for the  legislature  to fix  the                                                               
problem, and she hopes the commissioner gets that message.                                                                      
SENATOR  MICCICHE  responded  that  DNR has  been  aware  of  the                                                               
problem for  a long time.   He said he thinks  the department was                                                               
feeling  some of  the  pressure and  he thinks  SB  133 is  worth                                                               
looking at  because it  is the  first solution  that has  come to                                                               
bear in  the 10  years he has  been in the  legislature.   In the                                                               
meantime, he  continued, hundreds of  families have lost  the use                                                               
of their cabins forever.                                                                                                        
2:00:14 PM                                                                                                                    
The committee took an at-ease from 2:00 p.m. to 2:01 p.m.                                                                       
2:01:41 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  moved to  report SB  219 out  of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  [zero]                                                               
fiscal note.   There being no objection, SB 219  was reported out                                                               
of the House Resources Standing Committee.                                                                                      

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 219 Historical Documents 3.14.2022.pdf HRES 5/6/2022 1:00:00 PM
SRES 3/14/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 219
SB 219 Sectional Analysis 3.14.2022.pdf HRES 5/6/2022 1:00:00 PM
SRES 3/14/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 219
SB 219 Sponsor Statement 3.14.2022.pdf HRES 5/6/2022 1:00:00 PM
SRES 3/14/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 219
SB 219 Letter of Support Shirley D. Winther.pdf HRES 5/6/2022 1:00:00 PM
SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 219
SB 219 Letter of Support Cindy Rainey-Bell.pdf HRES 5/6/2022 1:00:00 PM
SRES 4/20/2022 3:30:00 PM
SB 219
HB 120 Letter of Support AML 5.6.2022.pdf HRES 5/6/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 120
HB 120 Letter of Support Benno Cleveland 5.6.2022.pdf HRES 5/6/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 120
HB 120 Testimony from Alaska Center 5.6.2022.pdf HRES 5/6/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 120
SB 219 Supporting Document DNR South Central PUCPs 5.6.2022.pdf HRES 5/6/2022 1:00:00 PM
SB 219
SB 219 Supporting Document DNR Northern Regional PUCPs 5.6.2022.pdf HRES 5/6/2022 1:00:00 PM
SB 219
HB 120 Testimony from Backcountry Hunters and Anglers 5.6.2022.pdf HRES 5/6/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 120
HB 120 DNR Response to Committee Questions 5.6.2022.pdf HRES 5/6/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 120
HB 120 DNR Response to Committee Questions DEED Property List 5.6.2022.pdf HRES 5/6/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 120
HB 120 Testimony Packet Two 5.6.2022.pdf HRES 5/6/2022 1:00:00 PM
HB 120
SB 219 Letter of Support Mark Bell 5.6.2022.pdf HRES 5/6/2022 1:00:00 PM
SB 219