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06:36:25 PM Start
06:37:35 PM Confirmation Hearing(s):
07:24:54 PM HCR23
08:23:53 PM HB354
08:26:54 PM Adjourn
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                     ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                 
                HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                            
                          March 27, 2018                                                                                        
                            6:36 p.m.                                                                                           
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
Representative Andy Josephson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Geran Tarr, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Representative John Lincoln, Vice Chair                                                                                         
Representative Harriet Drummond                                                                                                 
Representative Justin Parish                                                                                                    
Representative Chris Birch                                                                                                      
Representative DeLena Johnson                                                                                                   
Representative George Rauscher                                                                                                  
Representative David Talerico                                                                                                   
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Chenault (alternate)                                                                                        
Representative Chris Tuck (alternate)                                                                                           
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                                        
Board of Game                                                                                                                 
     Teresa Sager Albaugh - Tok Cutoff                                                                                          
     - CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED                                                                                                 
HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION NO. 23                                                                                              
Supporting enhanced efforts to protect wildlife and domestic                                                                    
animals in the state from infectious diseases, foreign                                                                          
pathogens, and nonendemic parasites.                                                                                            
     - MOVED CSHCR 23(RES) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
HOUSE BILL NO. 354                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to dive fishery management assessment                                                                          
     - MOVED HB 354 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
HOUSE BILL NO. 27                                                                                                               
"An  Act relating  to  chemicals  that are  of  high concern  for                                                               
children and to  the manufacture and sale  of products containing                                                               
certain  flame retardant  chemicals;  relating  to an  interstate                                                               
chemicals  clearinghouse; adding  an unlawful  act to  the Alaska                                                               
Unfair  Trade   Practices  and   Consumer  Protection   Act;  and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
     - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                  
HOUSE BILL NO. 260                                                                                                              
"An Act  relating to electronic  possession of  certain licenses,                                                               
tags, and identification  cards issued by the  Department of Fish                                                               
and Game; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                 
     - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                  
HOUSE BILL 315                                                                                                                  
"An Act  relating to  the confidentiality  of certain  records on                                                               
animals and crops; and providing for an effective date."                                                                        
     - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                  
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
BILL: HCR 23                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: PROTECT WILDLIFE FROM FOREIGN PATHOGENS                                                                            
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) JOSEPHSON                                                                                         
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BILL: HB 354                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: DIVE FISHERY ASSESSMENTS                                                                                           
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) ORTIZ                                                                                             
02/16/18       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/16/18       (H)       FSH, RES                                                                                               
03/08/18       (H)       FSH AT 10:00 AM GRUENBERG 120                                                                          
03/08/18       (H)       Moved HB 354 Out of Committee                                                                          
03/08/18       (H)       MINUTE(FSH)                                                                                            
03/09/18       (H)       FSH RPT 3DP 1NR                                                                                        
03/09/18       (H)       DP: TARR, KREISS-TOMKINS, STUTES                                                                       
03/09/18       (H)       NR: NEUMAN                                                                                             
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
TERESA SAGER ALBAUGH, Appointee                                                                                                 
Board of Game (BOG)                                                                                                             
Tok Cutoff, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as appointee to the Board of Game                                                              
MARK RICHARDS, Executive Director                                                                                               
Resident Hunters of Alaska                                                                                                      
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of Teresa Sager                                                                     
Albaugh's appointment to the Board of Game (BOG).                                                                               
APRIL FERGUSON, Senior Vice President and General Counsel                                                                       
Bristol Bay Native Corporation (BBNC);                                                                                          
Chair, Legislative and Litigation Committee                                                                                     
Alaska Federation of Natives (AFN)                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in opposition to Teresa Sager                                                                  
Albaugh's appointment to the Board of Game (BOG).                                                                               
GRACE MULIPOLA                                                                                                                  
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  in opposition  to Teresa  Sager                                                             
Albaugh's appointment to the Board of Game (BOG).                                                                               
WAYNE KUBAT, Vice President                                                                                                     
Alaska Professional Hunters Association                                                                                         
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Testified  in  support  of  Teresa  Sager                                                             
Albaugh's appointment to the Board of Game (BOG).                                                                               
POLLY WATSON                                                                                                                    
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  in opposition  to Teresa  Sager                                                             
Albaugh's appointment to the Board of Game (BOG).                                                                               
BECKY SCHWANKE                                                                                                                  
Glennallen, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Testified  in  support  of  Teresa  Sager                                                             
Albaugh's appointment to the Board of Game (BOG).                                                                               
ROBERT GERLACH, DVM, State Veterinarian                                                                                         
Division of Environmental Health                                                                                                
Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC)                                                                                  
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions related to HCR 23.                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE DAN ORTIZ                                                                                                        
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Speaking as the sponsor, reviewed HB 354.                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
6:36:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  ANDY  JOSEPHSON  called the  House  Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee  meeting  to  order  at   6:36  p.m.    Representatives                                                               
Josephson,  Birch, Parish,  Talerico, Johnson,  and Lincoln  were                                                               
present at  the call to  order.  Representatives  Tarr, Drummond,                                                               
and  Rauscher arrived  as  the  meeting was  in  progress.   Also                                                               
present was Representative Saddler.                                                                                             
^CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                                       
                    CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                
                         Board of Game                                                                                      
6:37:35 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON announced  that the  first order  of business                                                             
would be confirmation hearing(s) for the Board of Game.                                                                         
6:38:29 PM                                                                                                                    
TERESA SAGER  ALBAUGH, Appointee, Board of  Game (BOG), testified                                                               
as  appointee to  the  Board  of Game.    Responding to  Co-Chair                                                               
Josephson she  confirmed she just completed  serving a three-year                                                               
term on  the board.   At Co-Chair  Josephson's request  Ms. Sager                                                               
Albaugh provided  a statement regarding her  reappointment to the                                                               
Board of Game.   She said she is a life-long  Alaskan and grew up                                                               
in Fairbanks in a hunting and  fishing family.  In 1984 she moved                                                               
to Tok Cutoff where she and her  husband live in a log home, haul                                                               
water, run a trapline, hunt and  fish for food, garden, and raise                                                               
domestic livestock.                                                                                                             
MS.  SAGER ALBAUGH  noted she  has served  on the  Board of  Game                                                               
since  2009.   Regarding her  qualifications for  serving on  the                                                               
board, she  allowed she  doesn't have a  degree or  background in                                                               
natural resources  or wildlife management that  would be expected                                                               
for serving on  the board.  Instead, she continued,  she brings a                                                               
layman Alaskan's  background to  the table.   Since 1996  she has                                                               
worked  for  Summit  Consulting, a  construction  management  and                                                               
engineering firm that designs  and builds community improvements,                                                               
predominantly  sanitation   infrastructure  projects,   in  rural                                                               
Alaska.  In the 1980s and early  1990s she worked for 12 years as                                                               
a legislative  aide.   She said  her volunteer  positions include                                                               
serving on the  board of directors of the  Alaska Outdoor Council                                                               
and the Alaska Fish and Wildlife  Conservation Fund.  She is also                                                               
a life member of the National Rifle Association (NRA).                                                                          
MS.  SAGER ALBAUGH  said  she brings  to the  Board  of Game  the                                                               
average  Alaskan's  perspective from  living  in  both urban  and                                                               
rural  parts  of the  state  and  having  a hunting  and  fishing                                                               
background.  As  a board member, she stated, she  makes an effort                                                               
to keep  her contribution  to the  board's deliberations  and her                                                               
votes  grounded  to  the  constitution and  the  statutes.    She                                                               
thanked the  committee for considering  HCR 23, which  deals with                                                               
foreign  pathogens in  Alaska's wildlife  populations.   She said                                                               
the  Board of  Game recently  heard proposals  on this  topic and                                                               
will likely  be hearing  from the Alaska  Department of  Fish and                                                               
Game (ADF&G) now  that a number of Dall sheep  and mountain goats                                                               
have tested  positive for the  Mycoplasma ovipneumoniae  (M. ovi)                                                               
pathogen.  She urged passage of HCR 23.                                                                                         
6:42:09 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER requested Ms.  Sager Albaugh to state her                                                               
position on how to approach M. ovi.                                                                                             
MS.  SAGER ALBAUGH  replied things  are rapidly  changing because                                                               
sheep and  goats have  tested positive for  the M.  ovi pathogen,                                                               
although  there has  not  yet been  an outbreak.    She said  she                                                               
believes  this  will  influence  the  direction  of  [the  Alaska                                                               
Department of Fish and Game  (ADF&G)], domestic owners, and those                                                               
interested in wild  populations.  The most  important approach at                                                               
this  point is  to move  as quickly  as possible  to work  toward                                                               
cooperation  between domestic  owners and  the advocates  for the                                                               
wild  populations.    Given  the  pathogen's  detection  in  wild                                                               
populations, she said she doesn't  know whether disease-free wild                                                               
sheep and  goat populations  can be  achieved and  other measures                                                               
may need to be taken.   The Board of Game's legal responsibility,                                                               
she  continued, is  to assure  that domestic  populations do  not                                                               
affect  or  come in  contact  with  wild populations  so  disease                                                               
transmission  cannot  occur.   This  means  looking  at  domestic                                                               
populations  and determining  whether they  should be  on or  off                                                               
what is called the "clean list," she added.                                                                                     
6:44:41 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER said  he understands  a quick  response,                                                               
but reiterated his  request for Ms. Sager Albaugh  to provide her                                                               
position on how to approach M. ovi.                                                                                             
MS.  SAGER ALBAUGH  responded that  the state  must consider  the                                                               
primary  steps of:   vigorous  testing  of domestic  populations;                                                               
separating through  fencing; determining  where domestics  can be                                                               
physically owned  and kept; and  importing.  She noted  the state                                                               
veterinarian  and ADF&G  could speak  more specifically  to those                                                               
issues.  At  the Board of Game level, she  continued, these areas                                                               
were discussed as important to  consider and to perhaps implement                                                               
regulatory requirements.                                                                                                        
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER noted  the  positive-testing wild  goats                                                               
are still out there and that  it is unknown whether the positive-                                                               
testing wild  sheep had  been in  contact with  other sheep.   He                                                               
inquired about Ms. Sager Albaugh's philosophy on this topic.                                                                    
MS. SAGER  ALBAUGH answered  she thinks it  is of  great concern.                                                               
She said she doesn't know what  the likelihood of an outbreak is,                                                               
but she  understands that if  there is  an outbreak in  the sheep                                                               
and goats that have tested positive  for the pathogen then it can                                                               
and will spread rapidly.   In the Lower 48, she  said, it has had                                                               
devastating consequences in sheep,  with die-offs and significant                                                               
diminishment of  populations.  It  is a very serious  problem and                                                               
with animals testing positive it's  of significantly more concern                                                               
than a few months ago when no animals tested positive.                                                                          
6:48:22 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE   PARISH  observed   from   Ms.  Sager   Albaugh's                                                               
application that  she recognizes  there is a  potential financial                                                               
consequence  to an  immediate family  member.   He expressed  his                                                               
confidence that  she would recuse  herself should that  become an                                                               
issue.   He requested Ms.  Sager Albaugh  to respond to  a letter                                                               
written by Ms. [April] Ferguson  that states the appointee hasn't                                                               
supported the community subsistence hunt appropriately.                                                                         
MS. SAGER ALBAUGH  replied the community hunt is  a complex issue                                                               
that the  board has  considered a  number of  times since  it was                                                               
enacted.  She  assured the committee that at the  board table she                                                               
has  always worked  toward providing  reasonable opportunity  for                                                               
subsistence  in  all areas  of  the  state  where the  board  has                                                               
responsibility to  provide for  that opportunity,  which includes                                                               
specifically  the  Game Management  Unit  13  (GMU 13)  community                                                               
subsistence hunt.                                                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE  PARISH requested  Ms.  Sager  Albaugh to  explain                                                               
what she thinks is the  purpose of the community subsistence hunt                                                               
and  why it  is  necessary in  addition to  the  other ways  that                                                               
someone can take game.                                                                                                          
MS. SAGER ALBAUGH responded the  original intent of the community                                                               
subsistence hunt  was to  offer everyone  in the  state a  way to                                                               
provide for subsistence  in the GMU 13 hunt,  and specifically in                                                               
the traditional  hunt area of the  eight Ahtna villages.   It was                                                               
separate  from the  Tier  II hunt,  she said,  which  was a  very                                                               
difficult and unpopular  hunt fraught with a  number of problems.                                                               
It was an  alternative to the Tier II hunt  but still intended to                                                               
provide  subsistence opportunity.   It  has changed  a number  of                                                               
times since  it was originally  created, she noted, and  a number                                                               
of those changes have been brought about by court rulings.                                                                      
6:52:46 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  PARISH  inquired  how  Ms.  Sager  Albaugh  would                                                               
change the way or adjust  how the community subsistence hunt goes                                                               
forward.  He noted Ms.  Ferguson's letter states that [last year]                                                               
in the Ahtna region 72  groups composed of over 3,000 individuals                                                               
competed for  100 moose.  These  groups had names such  as Mat-Su                                                               
Slayers, Rasberry  Rebels, Jule  Friends and Family,  MatSu Moose                                                               
Munchers,  Anchorage Wheelers,  Bicycle  Collective, Meadow  Lake                                                               
Meatavors,  and Hunt  for Fun.    He inquired  whether Ms.  Sager                                                               
Albaugh feels that that was  within the mission of the community-                                                               
supported hunt and, if not, how she would change it.                                                                            
MS. SAGER  ALBAUGH answered  that when the  hunt was  created the                                                               
intent was  to not have  the number  of participants in  the hunt                                                               
that are currently participating.   The group names listed in the                                                               
letter were brought to the  board's attention, she said, and have                                                               
the  appearance  of  making  a  mockery,  so  to  speak,  of  the                                                               
community hunt.   The Board of Game held a  meeting in Glennallen                                                               
last  year  specifically  on  the  community  hunt's  issues  and                                                               
proposals, she  related.  An individual  from Valdez representing                                                               
a group in  the community hunt testified how he  had made efforts                                                               
to observe  the subsistence  pattern in the  community hunt.   To                                                               
demonstrate that  he brought a  moosehide gun scabbard  that he'd                                                               
made and  he wore a beaded  moosehide vest.  He  talked at length                                                               
about the group's use of  animals harvested in the community hunt                                                               
and how  these animals  are shared with  community members.   His                                                               
group had  a Spanish  name, Alces Asesinos,  and he  indicated in                                                               
his  oral  and  written  testimony   that  in  English  the  name                                                               
translates  to Moose  Assassins.   So,  she  continued, the  name                                                               
sounds questionable, but his testimony  was as sincere as that of                                                               
anyone from  the local region  who testified as a  participant in                                                               
the  local hunt.   She  said she  is offering  this to  provide a                                                               
broader perspective of what's in  a name and that communities and                                                               
groups cannot be judged by their names.                                                                                         
MS.  SAGER ALBAUGH  addressed the  question about  how she  would                                                               
change the community  subsistence hunt.  She  said that regarding                                                               
"the problem  that is perceived  by a  number of people  with the                                                               
community hunt and the heavy  participation in the hunt," she has                                                               
advocated for  the last  several years  for aligning  the seasons                                                               
and the  bag limits in the  community hunt, which for  caribou is                                                               
the registration  hunt and for moose  is the general hunt.   This                                                               
would  alleviate pressure  on the  community  hunt, she  posited,                                                               
because the  bag limits  and the  seasons would  be the  same and                                                               
would  in essence  treat  all  subsistence participants  equally.                                                               
That  is appropriate  and consistence  with Alaska's  subsistence                                                               
law, she said,  which provides for the board to  have the ability                                                               
and authority for  doing that when moose  and caribou populations                                                               
are abundant, which is the case in GMU 13 at this time.                                                                         
6:57:45 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON  asked the  appointee  whether  she has  done                                                               
anything  since 2009  that supported  a nonconsumptive  interest;                                                               
for  example,   a  proposal   supporting  wildlife   watching  or                                                               
supporting fair chase.                                                                                                          
MS. SAGER ALBAUGH  replied there are some she  has not supported,                                                               
but she has  continued to support a number of  existing areas and                                                               
opportunities that were  set aside by previous boards.   She said                                                               
she doesn't recall any new  proposals for creating nonconsumptive                                                               
use opportunities coming before the board.                                                                                      
6:59:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON opened public  testimony on the appointment of                                                               
Ms. Sager Albaugh to the Board of Game.                                                                                         
6:59:38 PM                                                                                                                    
MARK RICHARDS,  Executive Director,  Resident Hunters  of Alaska,                                                               
testified in  support of Ms.  Sager Albaugh's appointment  to the                                                               
Board of  Game (BOG).   He pointed out his  organization supports                                                               
her appointment even  though she doesn't always vote  the way the                                                               
organization would  like.   He said  Ms. Sager  Albaugh staunchly                                                               
advocates for  following the rules  and mandates of the  board to                                                               
conduct an open and fair public  process within the bounds of the                                                               
board's  authority.    Regarding controversial  issues  like  the                                                               
community  subsistence hunt,  he  stated that  Ms. Sager  Albaugh                                                               
always voted  according to  the laws,  not emotions  or pressure.                                                               
He urged Ms. Sager Albaugh's appointment be confirmed.                                                                          
7:01:46 PM                                                                                                                    
APRIL  FERGUSON,  Senior  Vice  President  and  General  Counsel,                                                               
Bristol  Bay Native  Corporation (BBNC);  Chair, Legislative  and                                                               
Litigation  Committee,   Alaska  Federation  of   Natives  (AFN),                                                               
testified  in opposition  to Ms.  Sager Albaugh's  appointment to                                                               
the  Board of  Game (BOG).   She  paraphrased from  the following                                                               
written testimony [original punctuation provided]:                                                                              
     The Bristol  Bay Region has  over 8,000  residents, not                                                                    
     all shareholders  or Native, but  most of whom  rely in                                                                    
     some   part   on   hunting,  fishing,   gathering   and                                                                    
      Thank you to the Co-Chairs  for allowing me to testify                                                                    
     today.  Respectfully, I am  here today to speak against                                                                    
     the confirmation  of Ms.  Teresa Sager Albaugh.   .   I                                                                    
     ask  that  you look  closely  at  Ms. Albaugh's  policy                                                                    
     positions, affiliations  and voting  history. I  do not                                                                    
     believe that she is the right person for this job.                                                                         
      Ms. Albaugh  has not demonstrated an  understanding of                                                                    
     or sensitivity to subsistence needs.   It is a job that                                                                    
     should  be given  to  individuals  who are  thoughtful,                                                                    
     sensitive to  our state history and  challenges and who                                                                    
     work to create solutions                                                                                                   
      For instance, The BOG in  2006, unanimously found that                                                                    
     the Tier [II]  hunt is broken, unfair  and plagued with                                                                    
     inequities  and false  applications.  After much  work,                                                                    
     the BOG  in 2009 established the  Community Subsistence                                                                    
     Hunt, a  special subsistence hunt for  communities that                                                                    
     factually demonstrate and observe  a set of hunting and                                                                    
     sharing   traditions.  Albaugh   has  routinely   voted                                                                    
     against the  CSH and has  worked actively  to eliminate                                                                    
     or oppose well managed subsistence hunts.                                                                                  
      I have  been paying closer  attention to what  the BOG                                                                    
     is  doing after  that horrific  hunt last  year in  the                                                                    
     Ahtna  region where  72 groups  composed  of over  3000                                                                    
     individuals competed for 100 moose.                                                                                        
      Groups like  the "Mat-Su Slayers,"  "Rasberry Rebels,"                                                                    
     "Jule  Friends  and  Family," "MatSu  Moose  Munchers,"                                                                    
     "Anchorage  Wheelers,"  "Bicycle  Collective,"  "Meadow                                                                    
     Lake Meatavors," "Hunt for  Fun" and others participate                                                                    
     in the  CSH and harvest  bulls that would have  gone to                                                                    
     the  original  CSH  participants  if  the  system  were                                                                    
     allowed to function correctly.                                                                                             
      All  of these  groups harvested  in the  2016-17 hunt.                                                                    
     All  except  "Anchorage  Wheelers"  harvested  an  "any                                                                    
     bull"   not an antler-restricted  moose.  At least some                                                                    
     of them  appear not  to be primarily  subsistence users                                                                    
     at   all,  and   likely  do   not  meet   all  of   the                                                                    
     qualifications to participate in the hunt.                                                                                 
      I believe that as  reflected by Teresa's voting record                                                                    
     and under her  influence and efforts to  weaken the CSH                                                                    
     is it not meeting the needs it was intended to meet.                                                                       
      I  respectfully request  that this  body vote  against                                                                    
     confirmation of this candidate for the BOG.                                                                                
7:07:13 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  PARISH   asked  whether  Ms.  Ferguson   has  any                                                               
comments in regard to Ms.  Sager Albaugh's statement that she has                                                               
advocated for the  community subsistence hunt to  be aligned with                                                               
the regular subsistence hunt season and bag limits.                                                                             
MS.  FERGUSON replied  she  isn't  an expert  in  this field  and                                                               
doesn't  know if  that would  answer the  problem.   However, she                                                               
continued, she does know that  this challenge must be figured out                                                               
and she doesn't believe Ms. Sager  Albaugh is the right person to                                                               
work on this problem.   She noted that as a  BOG member Ms. Sager                                                               
Albaugh  represents  lots  of people  with  different  interests,                                                               
including  [Ms.   Ferguson's]  son  and  other   people  of  [Ms.                                                               
Ferguson's]  region.   She said  she is  uncomfortable with  this                                                               
because  the people  living in  customary  and traditional  areas                                                               
don't have a lot of recourse for food and are struggling to eat.                                                                
7:09:06 PM                                                                                                                    
GRACE  MULIPOLA testified  in opposition  to Ms.  Sager Albaugh's                                                               
appointment to the  Board of Game (BOG).  She  stated she opposes                                                               
Ms. Sager  Albaugh's appointment based on  the appointee's voting                                                               
record  on subsistence  issues.   Understanding subsistence  is a                                                               
big challenge  for the state,  she continued, and Alaska  needs a                                                               
person  committed to  finding  solutions  for subsistence  users.                                                               
Having grown  up in  a subsistence lifestyle  in the  Bristol Bay                                                               
region, Ms. Mulipola said she  knows the importance of year-round                                                               
gathering of moose, fish, birds,  and berries.  Community members                                                               
rely  on   subsistence  year-round   and  Alaska   needs  someone                                                               
appointed who understands  that.  The membership of  the Board of                                                               
Game is  important to  so many people  around Alaska,  she added,                                                               
and in many cases the board decides who eats and who does not.                                                                  
REPRESENTATIVE  PARISH  requested  Ms. Mulipola  to  specifically                                                               
state what she sees in Ms. Sager Albaugh's record as being anti-                                                                
MS. MULIPOLA  replied she will provide  this information tomorrow                                                               
or thereafter.                                                                                                                  
7:11:35 PM                                                                                                                    
WAYNE   KUBAT,  Vice   President,  Alaska   Professional  Hunters                                                               
Association (APHA),  testified in support of  Ms. Sager Albaugh's                                                               
appointment  to the  Board  of  Game (BOG).    He  said the  APHA                                                               
supports  the   appointee  not  because   she  agrees   with  the                                                               
organization all the time, but  because she puts the conservation                                                               
of  Alaska's   wildlife  resource  first,  is   knowledgeable  on                                                               
wildlife issues, comes to board  meetings prepared, keeps an open                                                               
mind, and is  respectful and willing to listen  to viewpoints she                                                               
may not  agree with.  He  stated Ms. Sager Albaugh  makes herself                                                               
available  to the  public during  breaks  and works  hard.   Good                                                               
process  is  important  to  healthy board  function  and  she  is                                                               
mindful of that, he continued.   The years she has already served                                                               
on the board are a plus and make her a valuable asset.                                                                          
7:12:54 PM                                                                                                                    
POLLY  WATSON  testified in  opposition  to  Ms. Sager  Albaugh's                                                               
appointment to the Board of Game  (BOG).  She said she was raised                                                               
with  subsistence  hunting,  fishing,   and  gathering,  and  her                                                               
breakfast, lunch,  and dinner  was subsistence.   She  stated she                                                               
was shocked  to find  out that  Ms. Sager  Albaugh is  not really                                                               
supporting  or defining  the subsistence  hunt.   Without someone                                                               
supporting  and protecting  the subsistence  hunt, she  added, it                                                               
will fall apart.  She  said Ms. Sager Albaugh doesn't demonstrate                                                               
an understanding  of subsistence  needs.   Ms. Watson  noted that                                                               
while she  may not qualify  for the subsistence hunt  because she                                                               
now lives  in Anchorage, she  has friends and family  members who                                                               
do live in the village and  she has heard them complain about how                                                               
they can't [harvest an animal]  because everybody from an outside                                                               
point is  coming in and getting  [the animals].  She  stated that                                                               
hearing this at her young age is really scary.                                                                                  
REPRESENTATIVE PARISH  offered his understanding that  Ms. Watson                                                               
believes  Ms.  Sager  Albaugh  has  done  an  inadequate  job  of                                                               
focusing  the  community   supported  hunts  towards  traditional                                                               
subsistence communities.                                                                                                        
MS. WATSON answered  correct, she doesn't feel  Ms. Sager Albaugh                                                               
is preserving the subsistence part  of the community.  Ms. Watson                                                               
said  there should  be more  definitions and  qualifications that                                                               
need to be met to qualify for those hunts.                                                                                      
7:16:09 PM                                                                                                                    
BECKY  SCHWANKE  testified  in support  of  Ms.  Sager  Albaugh's                                                               
appointment to the Board of Game  (BOG).  A former biologist with                                                               
the  Alaska Department  of Fish  and Game  (ADF&G), Ms.  Schwanke                                                               
noted she hunts sheep, moose,  caribou, and small game every year                                                               
with  her husband  and  son  and she  traps  every  winter.   For                                                               
several  years  now,  she  continued,  she  has  experienced  the                                                               
appointee's professionalism with  the Board of Game.   As the GMU                                                               
13 area  management biologist she  worked closely with  Ms. Sager                                                               
Albaugh, she said,  and found her to be the  most prepared member                                                               
of  the board  and that  Ms. Sager  Albaugh addressed  the issues                                                               
from a  constitutional and regulatory  perspective.   When making                                                               
decisions, she  continued, the board  must come down to  what the                                                               
regulatory  structure allows  it to  do and  what the  biological                                                               
scenario  requires  of  the  board.    She  considers  herself  a                                                               
subsistence  hunter,  she added,  and  there  are many  different                                                               
regulatory opportunities  for people  to participate and  be able                                                               
to fill  their freezers.  She  said Ms. Sager Albaugh  has done a                                                               
professional job on the board  in trying to maintain adequate and                                                               
open opportunities for everybody to  participate in the taking of                                                               
the resources.                                                                                                                  
7:19:04 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  TARR  said  relying on  constitutional  and  regulatory                                                               
provisions  is troubling  in that  the constitution  doesn't have                                                               
any  specific  provisions  for rural  preference  or  subsistence                                                               
preference  and  she   believes  an  error  was   made  when  the                                                               
constitution was  drafted at  statehood.   She asked  whether Ms.                                                               
Schwanke's  statement  that  Ms.  Sager  Albaugh  relies  on  the                                                               
constitution also  means the appointee  doesn't support  any kind                                                               
of rural preference.                                                                                                            
MS. SCHWANKE replied that is not at  all what she is saying.  She                                                               
said  she   thinks  Ms.  Sager   Albaugh  fully   recognizes  the                                                               
opportunities that  are offered across  the state and as  a board                                                               
member  does   a  very   good  job  to   make  sure   to  provide                                                               
opportunities  for everybody.    Many of  Alaska's remote  areas,                                                               
including the  one that both she  and Ms. Sager Albaugh  live in,                                                               
have ample  opportunities.  These  opportunities are  through the                                                               
state's open  harvest program as well  as specialized subsistence                                                               
opportunity  under federal  subsistence hunting  regulations, she                                                               
continued.     [Rural   residents]  have   tremendous  additional                                                               
opportunity over any other hunters in  the state when it comes to                                                               
timing of hunts, places that can be hunted, and bag limits.                                                                     
7:20:55 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON closed public  testimony after ascertaining no                                                               
one else wished to testify.                                                                                                     
7:21:19 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR TARR [moved to advance  the confirmation of Teresa Sager                                                               
Albaugh to  the Board of Game.]   She stated the  House Resources                                                               
Standing Committee  has reviewed the qualifications  of Ms. Sager                                                               
Albaugh and recommends  her name be forwarded to  a joint session                                                               
for consideration.   She reminded committee  members that signing                                                               
the reports  regarding appointments to boards  and commissions in                                                               
no way  reflects individual members'  approval or  disapproval of                                                               
the appointees, and that the  nominations are merely forwarded to                                                               
the  full  legislature for  confirmation  or  rejection.   [There                                                               
being no objection, the confirmation was advanced.]                                                                             
The committee took an at-ease from 7:21 p.m. to 7:24 p.m.                                                                       
         HCR 23-PROTECT WILDLIFE FROM FOREIGN PATHOGENS                                                                     
7:24:54 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR TARR announced that the  next order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE CONCURRENT  RESOLUTION NO. 23, Supporting  enhanced efforts                                                               
to  protect  wildlife and  domestic  animals  in the  state  from                                                               
infectious   diseases,   foreign    pathogens,   and   nonendemic                                                               
CO-CHAIR TARR noted public testimony on  HCR 23 was closed at the                                                               
resolution's  last  hearing  and   that  testimony  at  tonight's                                                               
hearing would be invited testimony only.                                                                                        
7:25:59 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR TARR moved to adopt Amendment 1.                                                                                       
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON requested  the  committee  hear from  the                                                               
state  veterinarian or  the Alaska  Department of  Fish and  Game                                                               
(ADF&G) before taking up amendments.                                                                                            
CO-CHAIR TARR withdrew the motion to adopt Amendment 1.                                                                         
7:26:57 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON  requested  Dr.  Gerlach  to  provide  an                                                               
overview  of  how  he,  as  the  state  veterinarian,  fills  his                                                               
responsibility to  manage [Mycoplasma  ovipneumoniae (M.  ovi), a                                                               
respiratory pathogen of wild and  domestic sheep and goats].  She                                                               
further asked what Dr. Gerlach thinks lawmakers should do.                                                                      
ROBERT   GERLACH,   DVM,    State   Veterinarian,   Division   of                                                               
Environmental  Health, Department  of Environmental  Conservation                                                               
(DEC),  replied the  responsibility of  the Office  of the  State                                                               
Veterinarian is to  maintain animal health and  to control issues                                                               
such as  outbreak of disease  that would threaten  populations of                                                               
animals and  to move forward in  reducing that threat.   He added                                                               
that  this  authority  is  spread over  both  wild  and  domestic                                                               
animals that are living as well as dead.                                                                                        
DR. GERLACH  stressed that  M. ovi is  a very  complicated issue.                                                               
The [current]  general understanding,  he explained, is  from the                                                               
issues  and events  that have  happened in  the Lower  48 with  a                                                               
different  population   of  animals  that  are   under  different                                                               
stressors than is  had in Alaska's population.   With the current                                                               
concern,  his office  began a  surveillance  program in  domestic                                                               
animals to determine  the prevalence of the  pathogen in Alaska's                                                               
domestic sheep and  goats.  His office is  working with producers                                                               
to understand  how they  manage their herds  and flocks  for bio-                                                               
security of  their health to  prevent introduction and  spread of                                                               
disease.   At the same  time, he  continued, ADF&G began  a study                                                               
looking at the  many different Mycoplasma species  - including M.                                                               
ovi - and those test results  detected M. ovi in [wild] sheep and                                                               
goats throughout the state.                                                                                                     
DR. GERLACH said  his office and ADF&G are  working to understand                                                               
how the strains  in wild populations and the  strains in domestic                                                               
livestock are  related.  Next  is to understand  the implications                                                               
of  that and  whether there  is any  stress to  Alaska's wild  or                                                               
domestic  animals.   His office  and ADF&G  are currently  in the                                                               
early stages of that finding, he  continued, but the good news is                                                               
that at this  time ADF&G hasn't detected any  negative impacts in                                                               
the [wild] populations  in which the M. ovi was  found.  The same                                                               
has occurred  with the domestic  population where  the prevalence                                                               
of M. ovi is about 4 percent.   The prevalence in wildlife is yet                                                               
to  be determined,  but early  indications are  between 9  and 12                                                               
percent  of  the  individual population,  but  not  many  animals                                                               
overall have  been tested.   There are  about 1,000  more samples                                                               
that ADF&G  has collected  and sent for  analysis, he  added, and                                                               
these  will  provide  further   information  on  this  particular                                                               
pathogen and  help in  understanding what  the threats  are, what                                                               
threats are  of concern, if  any, and  what actions can  be taken                                                               
besides the direct action that  is being worked on with producers                                                               
to decrease wild and domestic  stock interaction.  He pointed out                                                               
the concern  isn't just  M. ovi  - many  pathogens can  be spread                                                               
between wildlife and domestic animals.                                                                                          
7:31:59 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER observed  from  an  ADF&G document  that                                                               
ADF&G has detected nine  more cases of M. ovi in  Dall sheep.  He                                                               
inquired  how  the  state  veterinarian's office  is  or  is  not                                                               
interacting with ADFG.                                                                                                          
DR.  GERLACH  responded  that  test  findings  are  being  shared                                                               
between  the  wildlife  biologist and  wildlife  veterinarian  in                                                               
ADF&G  and   the  director  in   his  office,  as  well   as  the                                                               
interpretation of that data.                                                                                                    
7:33:54 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR TARR  observed a 3/20/18  press release states  that new                                                               
findings suggest the  pathogen is more widespread  and that three                                                               
strains  have  been  identified in  preliminary  analysis.    She                                                               
offered her  understanding that there  is more concern  about the                                                               
M.  ovi, but  asked  whether  there is  concern  about the  other                                                               
strains identified or if it is still too early to know.                                                                         
DR. GERLACH  answered that an  understanding of this is  still at                                                               
the very  early stages.   Multiple  strains of  M. ovi  have been                                                               
identified,  he  said,  as  well   as  some  detection  of  other                                                               
Mycoplasma,  such  as  Mycoplasma conjunctiva  and  a  Mycoplasma                                                               
conjunctiva-like organism,  along with others that  are still yet                                                               
to be identified.   The difference between what is  being seen in                                                               
Alaska compared  to the  Lower 48  is that the  Lower 48  has had                                                               
sporadic die-offs and  mortality events for the  past 40-50 years                                                               
in bighorn sheep that have been  studied for this.  Only recently                                                               
has M. ovi been identified as  a primary pathogen in this disease                                                               
process.  In  that regard, he continued, it is  very difficult to                                                               
look at  and to understand all  that is involved with  respect to                                                               
the current findings in Alaska.                                                                                                 
7:35:58 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER, referring  to the  map provided  in the                                                               
committee packet,  observed that the  areas with positive  M. ovi                                                               
test results  go all the way  up to the Arctic  National Wildlife                                                               
Refuge (ANWR)  and nearly as far  south as Seward, as  well as in                                                               
Game  Management  Unit 13,  and  "below  Tok,  going out  to  the                                                               
Canadian  border."   Given  how  large of  an  area  this is,  he                                                               
requested  Dr.  Gerlach   to  provide  his  opinion   as  to  how                                                               
widespread this pathogen really is.                                                                                             
DR.  GERLACH  replied  the   identification  of  such  widespread                                                               
distribution  from  the  Brooks  Range  to  the  Kenai  Peninsula                                                               
requires  looking at  alternative understandings  of the  initial                                                               
identification of  this organism as  non-endemic.  There  isn't a                                                               
lot of interaction  with livestock in some  of these far-reaching                                                               
populations and there aren't very  close connections between some                                                               
of these  populations, like the ones  on the North Slope  and the                                                               
other populations  identified.   So, he  said, from  a scientific                                                               
standpoint there  must be a  questioning of how to  interpret and                                                               
understand this new information.                                                                                                
DR. GERLACH stated it is going  to be very important to test this                                                               
species  that may  then  be  able to  carry  and distribute  this                                                               
pathogen,   and  that   gets  down   to  more   basic  scientific                                                               
understanding of the pathogen.   Initially it was understood that                                                               
it was just  carried by Caprinae   sheep, goats,  muskoxen.  But,                                                               
he continued, if other species could  carry this and be a vector,                                                               
then  maybe  that  is  how   the  pathogen  was  transmitted  and                                                               
interacting through  these widespread populations.   Or, he said,                                                               
maybe this  is a different  strain of  a pathogen or  bacteria in                                                               
the wild population  and it is unknown for how  long.  While that                                                               
may  seem unlikely,  he noted,  he  thinks it  is something  that                                                               
needs to be considered to understand what is going on here.                                                                     
DR. GERLACH  offered his  belief that  the information  ADF&G has                                                               
gathered  with  this   very  important  study  is   going  to  be                                                               
groundbreaking in the understanding  of this particular pathogen,                                                               
the interaction  now between wildlife  and domestic  animals, and                                                               
how   to  deal   with   these  interactions   and  the   possible                                                               
transmission of pathogens between the two groups.                                                                               
7:40:21 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER  recalled that previous  discussions were                                                               
looking at roughly  4 percent on the domestic side  and 4 percent                                                               
on  the wildlife  side as  far  as those  that may  have M.  ovi.                                                               
Given the new information, he  inquired whether this could be the                                                               
tip of an iceberg.                                                                                                              
DR. GERLACH responded  it is very possible.   An understanding of                                                               
some of these  pathogens, he explained, is  that their prevalence                                                               
can  be  dependent  on  the overall  population  density  of  the                                                               
animals.   In  an animal  population that  is widespread  and not                                                               
concentrated, there  may be less  chance for that pathogen  to be                                                               
spread among  those animals if  direct contact is needed,  and so                                                               
there would be low prevalence.   That would be reflective of what                                                               
is  seen  with [Alaska's]  domestic  animals,  because in  larger                                                               
herds or  flocks in the  Lower 48  there is a  larger prevalence,                                                               
which has  been noted  by U.S.  Department of  Agriculture (USDA)                                                               
studies.   The populations in  Alaska are smaller  and widespread                                                               
and have a lower incidence, which supports that theory.                                                                         
DR. GERLACH added that as  ADF&G does more testing and evaluation                                                               
of wildlife it may be found that  the prevalence of the M. ovi is                                                               
less in  certain areas  where the  populations are  widespread or                                                               
there  aren't  congregation  points  where the  pathogen  can  be                                                               
spread.   He described it as  being similar to what  is seen when                                                               
children  are  healthy and  running  around  the house  but  once                                                               
school starts  they are in  close connection in a  schoolroom and                                                               
one person  with a cold virus  spreads it to the  others who then                                                               
bring  it home  to their  families.   So, he  continued, it  is a                                                               
density  issue with  respect to  interaction and  the ability  to                                                               
spread that pathogen and then the overall prevalence.                                                                           
7:42:45 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE PARISH asked whether  more [test] results would be                                                               
coming in next week.                                                                                                            
DR. GERLACH explained the lab  processes the tests in batches, so                                                               
there can  be a slow  trickle or lumps  of information at  a time                                                               
returned to ADF&G depending on  the workload at the laboratories.                                                               
The process can  be slower than some  diagnostic laboratories, he                                                               
said,  because after  the  initial  test is  run  the actual  DNA                                                               
material from the  pathogen is collected and sent  off to another                                                               
laboratory  where it  is genetically  sequenced  to identify  the                                                               
specific strain of Mycoplasma ovipneumoniae.                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  PARISH inquired  whether, after  receiving a  few                                                               
genetic sequences,  single nucleotide polymorphisms will  be used                                                               
to estimate  how closely  related these  various strains  are and                                                               
how long they have been present in Alaska's game populations.                                                                   
DR.  GERLACH replied  that that  is exactly  what the  scientists                                                               
working on this  hope to identify.  They will  set up a phylogeny                                                               
tree to  look at relatedness between  those.  Then they  may look                                                               
at specific  gene points for  changes or mutations in  those gene                                                               
points to make  predictions about how long they may  have been in                                                               
the population, which would give a  better idea of the biology of                                                               
this particular pathogen.                                                                                                       
REPRESENTATIVE PARISH said he looks  forward to getting an update                                                               
on  that  and,   if  possible,  to  learning   where  the  source                                                               
ultimately came  from in broad  terms, such as from  another wild                                                               
goat or sheep population in the Lower 48 or from domestic stock.                                                                
DR. GERLACH responded that result  is definitely what ADF&G hopes                                                               
to obtain  in its  important work  to understand  this particular                                                               
pathogen and its effect on wildlife and domestic populations.                                                                   
7:46:21 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH noted  that no Dall sheep  or mountain goats                                                               
have died from this affliction.   He observed from the map that a                                                               
couple of the animals were east  of Prudhoe Bay and maybe east of                                                               
the Arctic  National Wildlife Refuge  (ANWR) on the  North Slope.                                                               
He asked  whether Dr.  Gerlach has any  ideas given  this doesn't                                                               
seem  to  be an  area  where  there  would be  many  domesticated                                                               
[animals] that could have impacted this population.                                                                             
DR. GERLACH  agreed and added that  it looks like this  is a very                                                               
isolated population.   He said it will be interesting  to see how                                                               
the  strain of  Mycoplasma  ovipneumoniae that  is identified  in                                                               
those  particular  animals relates  back  to  different groups                                                                  
whether it is  different than the group from GMU  26B and GMU 26C                                                               
and if that is different from what  is found in GMU 13.  There is                                                               
much to  learn, he continued,  including the impact  and negative                                                               
response on  a wildlife population  and whether there is  time to                                                               
gather  and  understand this  to  make  appropriate decisions  in                                                               
management.   He said it  is much easier  for him to  control and                                                               
manage  a  domestic  population  that is  confined  and  easy  to                                                               
identify and regulate.   But management is  very complicated when                                                               
dealing  with wildlife  where  oftentimes  populations cannot  be                                                               
totally identified  and can be  very widespread.  He  offered his                                                               
appreciation to ADF&G biologists for their work.                                                                                
7:48:51 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON inquired  whether there are strains  of M. ovi                                                               
that are fatal to wild, but not domestic, animals.                                                                              
DR. GERLACH  explained that different  strains of M. ovi  seem to                                                               
have different  virulence factors that  make them more  likely to                                                               
cause respiratory  infection given  the right combination.   This                                                               
respiratory disease is very complex  in regard to how it exhibits                                                               
itself in both  wild and domestic animals.   Generally a specific                                                               
set of  factors is needed  with the  mycoplasma as well  as other                                                               
respiratory pathogens  present and oftentimes other  stressors on                                                               
the animal's condition, he said.   The stressor can be related to                                                               
genetic  susceptibility, population  density,  nutrition, and  to                                                               
animal concentrations, access to water,  and other resources.  It                                                               
makes  it very  difficult to  go ahead  since not  much is  known                                                               
about  this  pathogen  with  respect to  other  pathogens.    For                                                               
example,  Dr. Gerlach  continued,  the  Pasteurella bacteria  has                                                               
been studied for 40-100 years  in both wild and domestic animals.                                                               
Certain  genes have  been identified  on  these Pasteurella  that                                                               
produce  certain toxins.   One  known gene  produces toxins  that                                                               
affect  the white  blood cells  and these  strains are  much more                                                               
virulent and deadly to animals than  the strains that do not have                                                               
those  lipotoxin  genes.   Not  much  is  known about  the  whole                                                               
genomic structure of these mycoplasma,  he noted, and this is one                                                               
reason why ADF&G's  study is so critical to  understanding and to                                                               
future management of both the wild and domestic populations.                                                                    
7:51:33 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER referred to page  2, first bullet, of the                                                               
document  provided by  the Alaska  Wild  Sheep Foundation,  which                                                               
states that  M. ovi is a  foreign pathogen not endemic  to Alaska                                                               
wildlife.   He asked  whether it's  possible there  is an  M. ovi                                                               
that is endemic to Alaskan wildlife.                                                                                            
DR GERLACH answered  he thinks that needs to  be considered given                                                               
the recent identification in remote  populations.  It needs to be                                                               
tested in  a scientific manner  to be  able to prove  that point.                                                               
He  said it's  important to  make management  decisions for  both                                                               
domestic and  wild populations  based on fact  in science  and to                                                               
not be  swayed by  fear and emotion.   The focus  needs to  be on                                                               
what is had at  hand and what the understanding is.   That is not                                                               
say  there is  a  guarantee,  he added,  because  no  can give  a                                                               
guarantee on  dealing with  any disease  or medical  condition as                                                               
there is  always a  number of  factors involved.   By  looking at                                                               
what the impact  on the population is now  and closely monitoring                                                               
them, he  continued, management  decisions can  be made  that are                                                               
going  to be  most effective  to the  population without  causing                                                               
undue harm  or damage  to the  overall use  of that  wildlife and                                                               
domestic resource for the residents of the state of Alaska.                                                                     
7:53:39 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO  asked whether Dr. Gerlach  is reasonably                                                               
confident that  the strain or  strains will be identified  in the                                                               
very near future.                                                                                                               
DR. GERLACH replied that strain typing  is being done on just one                                                               
portion  of  the entire  genome  or  DNA sequence  of  Mycoplasma                                                               
ovipneumoniae, so  there will be limitations  and restrictions in                                                               
understanding  the  strain according  to  that.   The  only  true                                                               
evaluation  of  strains  occurs   when  there  is  whole  genomic                                                               
sequencing and  that probably  won't happen any  time soon.   For                                                               
example, he  explained, it was  not too  long ago that  the human                                                               
genome  was totally  sequenced, and  this took  over 10  years of                                                               
very  intense  research.   Given  the  understanding of  specific                                                               
portions of the genomic sequence of  the M. ovi, he said, experts                                                               
in this field  should be able to make some  very good predictions                                                               
by   looking  at   those  comparisons   and   getting  a   better                                                               
understanding of the  relatedness to them and  the possibility of                                                               
how long they may have been circulating in these populations.                                                                   
7:56:03 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR TARR moved to adopt  Amendment 1, labeled 30-LS1434\A.1,                                                               
Gardner, 3/21/18, which read:                                                                                                   
     Page 1, line 6, following the first occurrence of                                                                          
          Insert "livestock and"                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 13, following "science-based":                                                                                
          Insert "livestock and"                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 2, following "to":                                                                                            
     Insert "domestic animals and"                                                                                              
     REPRESENTATIVE PARISH objected for purposes of                                                                             
7:57:03 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR TARR  explained the  amendments she  is offering  to the                                                               
committee came through working with  the Alaska Farm Bureau, Inc.                                                               
and trying to  strike the right balance between  the concerns and                                                               
the potential  for growth  in Alaska's  livestock industry.   She                                                               
noted the  title of HCR  23 states, "Supporting  enhanced efforts                                                               
to  protect  wildlife  and  domestic   animals".    However,  she                                                               
continued,  domestic animals  are not  referenced in  the WHEREAS                                                               
clauses.   Amendment 1  would add "livestock  and" in  two places                                                               
and ["domestic  animals and"  in one place].   This  would ensure                                                               
that both wild and domestic animals are referenced, she said.                                                                   
7:58:16 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  PARISH  stated  he  has  some  trouble  with  the                                                               
proposed  language  of  Amendment   1  because  he  believes  the                                                               
language  in the  bill  on page  2, lines  4-8,  and the  WHEREAS                                                               
clause following  those lines gets  to the purpose of  the title.                                                               
To  the specific  changes proposed  by Amendment  1, he  said the                                                               
bill's present  language reads true  and stands well on  its own.                                                               
While he personally recognizes the  value of domestic animals, he                                                               
stated,  he  has  trouble  diluting  the  message  in  this  way.                                                               
Additionally, he  continued, he  isn't sure it's  completely true                                                               
that the  state subscribes to science-based  livestock management                                                               
because  fundamentally  the  entity  that  manages  livestock  is                                                               
private  individuals  and not  the  state.   Private  individuals                                                               
manage  livestock,   he  added,   while  wildlife  is   a  common                                                               
possession  that  belongs  to  every   Alaskan  and  it  is  very                                                               
appropriate the state manage wildlife in common.                                                                                
8:00:41 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO  stated the title of  the resolution does                                                               
refer  to both  wildlife and  domestic animals,  but beyond  that                                                               
there is no mention of livestock  or domestic animals.  It is his                                                               
dream, he said, that as  things advance forward everyone comes to                                                               
the table  to deal with  this.   Based on his  conversations with                                                               
people on  both sides of  the issue,  he said, it  is appropriate                                                               
there not  be a disconnect  at any point  in the resolution.   He                                                               
doesn't want to  see a big divide, he continued,  and he supports                                                               
Amendment 1 because the proposed language is appropriate.                                                                       
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER said  he isn't  speaking for  or against                                                               
Amendment  1,   but  noted  the  definition   of  "intrinsic"  is                                                               
eradicable and he is wondering how that fits.                                                                                   
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON agreed with Representative Parish's points.                                                                  
8:03:19 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR TARR  pointed out  the state is  involved any  time that                                                               
livestock is  imported into Alaska  and strict safeguards  are in                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE PARISH maintained his objection to Amendment 1.                                                                  
8:03:38 PM                                                                                                                    
A roll call vote was  taken.  Representatives Rauscher, Talerico,                                                               
Lincoln, Drummond,  Birch, Johnson,  and Tarr  voted in  favor of                                                               
Amendment 1.  Representatives Parish  and Josephson voted against                                                               
it.  Therefore, Amendment 1 was adopted by a vote of 7-2.                                                                       
8:04:49 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR TARR moved to adopt  Amendment 2, labeled 30-LS1434\A.2,                                                               
Gardner, 3/21/18, which read:                                                                                                   
     Page 1, following line 9:                                                                                                  
          Insert a new resolution clause to read:                                                                               
     "WHEREAS Alaska's livestock industry has the greatest                                                                    
         potential to provide protein for Alaska's food                                                                         
     security; and"                                                                                                             
REPRESENTATIVE PARISH objected.                                                                                                 
8:04:58 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  TARR explained  that Amendment  2 also  came up  in her                                                               
talks  with  agriculture folks.    She  reminded members  of  the                                                               
enthusiasm it  has heard this session  specifically for livestock                                                               
production and  noted the  budget is  being looked  at to  fund a                                                               
veterinarian in the  Division of Agriculture so  the division can                                                               
do more in that area.                                                                                                           
CO-CHAIR TARR moved to adopt  a friendly amendment to Amendment 2                                                               
as follows:                                                                                                                     
     Delete "the greatest"                                                                                                      
     Insert "great"                                                                                                             
CO-CHAIR  TARR explained  this friendly  amendment would  be more                                                               
accurate and  is an effort  toward bringing everyone  together on                                                               
this issue.                                                                                                                     
There being no  objection, the friendly amendment  to Amendment 2                                                               
was adopted.  Amendment 2, as amended, read as follows:                                                                         
     WHEREAS   Alaska's   livestock   industry   has   great                                                                    
     potential to provide protein for Alaska' food                                                                              
     security, and                                                                                                              
8:06:14 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE PARISH stated that  the effort throughout [HCR 23]                                                               
is  to pair  domestic and  wildlife and  therefore it  would seem                                                               
appropriate to have some nod to  the importance of wild game as a                                                               
protein source.  However, he  continued, he doesn't have language                                                               
drafted  to that  effect and  he doesn't  intend to  conceptually                                                               
amend Amendment 2.  He  offered his appreciation for the friendly                                                               
amendment and withdrew his objection to Amendment 2.                                                                            
8:06:55 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON objected to Amendment  2, as amended.  He said                                                               
he is concerned because the  overwhelming support he has received                                                               
was  for  the  resolution  as   previously  written  (80  for,  5                                                               
against).  The support was  almost entirely from people concerned                                                               
about wild sheep populations, he  continued, and he is afraid the                                                               
committee has already lost track of  that.  Were it another state                                                               
where  there  was a  robust  industry  of domestic  husbandry  of                                                               
animals he would view this  differently and certainly the economy                                                               
and politics of it would be different.    The impetus for HCR 23,                                                               
he explained,  was a real concern  for what had happened  to wild                                                               
populations in  the Western states  and the amendment  takes this                                                               
away  from the  resolution.    It is  arguably  a true  statement                                                               
standing  alone, he  said, but  it takes  the resolution  further                                                               
away from what was supposed  to be principally, but not entirely,                                                               
on infectious diseases in wildlife.                                                                                             
8:08:27 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH  agreed with Co-Chair Josephson,  sponsor of                                                               
HCR 23.   He said  Amendment 2, as  amended, takes away  from the                                                               
emphasis.  The emphasis and focus  of the resolution have been on                                                               
the wildlife resources  more than the domestics, he  said, and he                                                               
will vote no on the amendment.                                                                                                  
8:09:12 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR TARR  offered her  closing comments  on Amendment  2, as                                                               
amended.   If this gets pushed  in the direction of  one resource                                                               
over  the  other, she  said,  her  concern  is the  history  that                                                               
brought this conversation to the  committee, which was an attempt                                                               
to eliminate  the livestock industry  from Alaska as a  result of                                                               
concerns.   Many  things  happened at  the Board  of  Game and  a                                                               
working group  was formed.   She  said she wants  it to  be clear                                                               
from  her perspective  that there  is a  way to  do science-based                                                               
management  that  can  protect  both  the  state's  wildlife  and                                                               
domestic  animals and  allow for  growth in  this segment  of the                                                               
state's agriculture industry  at a time when it  is really needed                                                               
for  food security  as well  as economic  opportunity.   There is                                                               
concern  from the  agriculture side  of things,  she noted,  that                                                               
these  positive test  results  are not  well  understood and  not                                                               
clear on where the  exposure occurred or how long ago.   So far a                                                               
lot of the pressure has been in  the direction of it being a more                                                               
recent interaction with a domestic  animal, but it was heard from                                                               
the scientists that there is no  real evidence of that.  She said                                                               
for these  reasons she wants  to strive  for balance.   While the                                                               
concern is  real, she  added, it  overwhelms the  opportunity for                                                               
livestock folks.                                                                                                                
8:11:16 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER commented  that with  everything he  has                                                               
been  reading and  with  more information  to  come forward  next                                                               
week, his thought  is that more questions should  be asked before                                                               
going further.                                                                                                                  
8:11:55 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON maintained his objection.                                                                                    
A roll call  vote was taken.   Representatives Johnson, Drummond,                                                               
and   Tarr  voted   in  favor   of  Amendment   2,  as   amended.                                                               
Representatives Talerico,  Lincoln, Parish, Birch,  Rauscher, and                                                               
Josephson voted against it.   Therefore, Amendment 2, as amended,                                                               
failed by a vote of 3-6.                                                                                                        
8:13:20 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR TARR stated she would not offer Amendment 3.                                                                           
8:13:23 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR TARR moved to adopt  Amendment 4, labeled 30-LS1434\A.4,                                                               
Gardner, 3/21/18, which read:                                                                                                   
     Page 2, lines 9 - 11:                                                                                                      
          Delete all material and insert:                                                                                       
     "BE  IT  RESOLVED  that the  Alaska  State  Legislature                                                                  
     encourages  agencies  to  gather  information,  perform                                                                    
     tests,  and   collect  data  on   infectious  diseases,                                                                    
     foreign  pathogens,  and  nonendemic parasites  in  the                                                                    
     state  to make  science-based  management decisions  to                                                                    
     protect the state's wildlife  and domestic animals from                                                                    
     infectious diseases, foreign  pathogens, and nonendemic                                                                    
     parasites; and be it"                                                                                                      
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON  objected  to  Amendment 4  for  purposes  of                                                               
8:13:33 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR TARR  explained Amendment 4  has the same  basic thought                                                               
as the original  bill language, but is a bit  more descriptive in                                                               
that it is  more specific in what the enhanced  efforts might be.                                                               
She said  it also suggests  support for doing the  testing, which                                                               
was  brought  forward  as  something   the  [Alaska]  Wild  Sheep                                                               
Foundation  supports.   The key  thing  here, she  added, is  the                                                               
gathering of information and performing  of tests to ensure there                                                               
aren't  inaccurate  suggestions  about  the  prevalence  of  this                                                               
particular  pathogen,  its origin,  and  its  potential to  cause                                                               
problems in Alaska's wild populations.                                                                                          
8:15:15 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  PARISH stated  his  concern with  Amendment 4  is                                                               
that it doesn't speak to  preventative measures.  For example, he                                                               
said,  he  would   like  to  see  better   buffers  between  wild                                                               
populations  and  domestic  populations  for  many  of  the  same                                                               
reasons that  he is very  dubious of  fish farming.   He wouldn't                                                               
want to  wait necessarily for  information to be  gathered, tests                                                               
to be  performed, and  data collected before  saying don't  put a                                                               
fish  farm near  his backyard.   He  maintained that  Amendment 4                                                               
narrows the scope of what goes into protection.                                                                                 
CO-CHAIR  TARR   offered  her  appreciation   for  Representative                                                               
Parish's concern  but said that that  is not the intention.   The                                                               
intention is to be more descriptive  in terms of what things need                                                               
to be  done.   There is  strong support for  the testing  and the                                                               
data collection,  she continued,  particularly to  understand the                                                               
distribution and  prevalence in  the different populations.   She                                                               
suggested  a  friendly  amendment  could  be  offered  that  says                                                               
something  such as  "perform tests,  collect  data, and  consider                                                               
preventative measures".                                                                                                         
REPRESENTATIVE PARISH  said he would defer  to Co-Chair Josephson                                                               
or Representative Lincoln.                                                                                                      
8:17:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  JOSEPHSON said  his  concern with  Amendment  4 is  the                                                               
deletion of  lines 9-11 because of  the loss of the  notions that                                                               
were  mentioned  by  Representative  Parish  about  the  need  to                                                               
protect  the state's  wildlife as  well.   He  could support  the                                                               
amendment, he continued, if it were in addition to lines 9-11.                                                                  
CO-CHAIR  TARR related  that Representative  Lincoln pointed  out                                                               
that  the language  on  page  2, line  17,  talks about  engaging                                                               
actions  to prevent  the spread  of  those diseases.   She  asked                                                               
whether  Co-Chair  Josephson  would  like  to  offer  a  friendly                                                               
amendment that  would delete  the language  "Page 2,  lines 9-11:                                                               
Delete  all material  and insert"  and replace  it with  "Page 2,                                                               
following lines 9-11 insert".                                                                                                   
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON deferred to Representative Drummond.                                                                         
8:18:42 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND said everything that  is in lines 9-11 is                                                               
included in Amendment  4 except for the  words "supports enhanced                                                               
efforts".  The scope of  management certainly includes prevention                                                               
efforts,  she  continued.    Except  for the  lack  of  the  word                                                               
"enhanced" efforts this is a  good amendment, she added, and this                                                               
is  just  an adjective  that  says,  "Get  to  work guys".    The                                                               
resolution is  telling the  agencies what they  need to  be doing                                                               
and this amendment enhances that.                                                                                               
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON  said Representative Drummond's point  is well                                                               
taken and he no longer seeks Co-Chair Tarr's friendly amendment.                                                                
8:20:10 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE PARISH maintained his objection to Amendment 4.                                                                  
8:20:21 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE BIRCH  stated the resolution is  well intended and                                                               
the amendment seems  fine as well as neutral.   He urged that the                                                               
question be called.                                                                                                             
8:21:27 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE TALERICO moved to  adopt a conceptual amendment to                                                               
Amendment 4 as follows:                                                                                                         
     Line 5, following "science-based management decisions                                                                      
          Insert "support enhanced efforts to"                                                                                  
8:21:53 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  TARR  said she  considers  the  conceptual amendment  a                                                               
friendly  amendment  and  has  no  objection.    There  being  no                                                               
objection, the conceptual amendment to Amendment 4 was adopted.                                                                 
8:22:02 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE PARISH withdrew his objection to Amendment 4.                                                                    
There being  no further objection,  Amendment 4, as  amended, was                                                               
8:22:28 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR JOSEPHSON  moved to  report HCR 23,  as amended,  out of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal  notes.   There  being  no  objection, CSHCR  23(RES)  was                                                               
reported out of the House Resources Standing Committee.                                                                         
8:22:57 PM                                                                                                                    
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                HB 354-DIVE FISHERY ASSESSMENTS                                                                             
8:23:53 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR TARR announced that the  next order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 354, An  Act relating to dive  fishery management                                                               
assessment procedures.                                                                                                          
8:24:03 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE DAN  ORTIZ, Alaska State Legislature,  speaking as                                                               
the sponsor stated  that HB 354 would allow  the Southeast Alaska                                                               
Regional Dive Fisheries Association  (SARDFA) to rearrange how it                                                               
does  its process  of changing  its self-assessment  taxes.   The                                                               
population of  people fishing these  permits has  been dwindling,                                                               
he  said, and  so  the  participation in  the  voting process  is                                                               
dwindling as well.                                                                                                              
8:25:17 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  PARISH  stated  he  respects any  members  of  an                                                               
industry who  assess upon  themselves a tax  and therefore  he is                                                               
happy to support a measure to make it more efficient.                                                                           
REPRESENTATIVE  TALERICO  thanked  Representative Ortiz  for  his                                                               
explanation of the bill at the  previous hearing.  He said he has                                                               
no objection to the bill.                                                                                                       
8:25:58 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE LINCOLN  moved to report  HB 354 out  of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.  There being no objection,  HB 354 was reported out of the                                                               
House Resources Standing Committee.                                                                                             
8:26:54 PM                                                                                                                    
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Resources Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 8:26 p.m.                                                                 

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