Legislature(2019 - 2020)WASILLA LIO

07/16/2019 02:00 PM House FINANCE

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02:07:09 PM Start
02:09:15 PM HB2001
02:11:09 PM Public Testimony
09:01:36 PM Adjourn
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HOUSE BILL NO. 2001                                                                                                           
     "An Act making a special appropriation from the                                                                            
     earnings reserve account for the payment of permanent                                                                      
     fund dividends; and providing for an effective date."                                                                      
2:09:15 PM                                                                                                                    
Co-Chair Foster  asked testifiers  to limit their  remarks to                                                                   
two minutes.                                                                                                                    
^PUBLIC TESTIMONY                                                                                                             
2:11:09 PM                                                                                                                    
Co-Chair Foster  explained the  committee process  for public                                                                   
2:12:03 PM                                                                                                                    
DENISE DOTSON,  SELF, MAT-SU LIO,  was disappointed  with the                                                                   
process of the  legislature thus far. She was  disgusted. She                                                                   
had  been  a  resident  since  1980. She  noted  all  of  the                                                                   
opportunities  found   in  Alaska.  She   opposed  government                                                                   
interference.  She spoke  in testified  in  opposition to  HB
2001.  She  supported  Governor  Dunleavy's  reductions.  She                                                                   
spoke  of giving  and  giving  and giving,  costing  citizens                                                                   
additional  money. She  criticized  the  legislators for  not                                                                   
doing their  jobs. She  reiterated that  the legislature  was                                                                   
not acting on behalf of the people of Alaska.                                                                                   
2:16:10 PM                                                                                                                    
KATHY CLEMENTS, SELF,  MAT-SU LIO, had been in  the state for                                                                   
over  40 years.  She  believed  the Permanent  Fund  Dividend                                                                   
(PFD) belonged  to the people  of Alaska. She  thought anyone                                                                   
could donate their  PFD if they wanted to.  She supported the                                                                   
cuts made by  the governor. She talked about  someone wanting                                                                   
free teeth. She  reiterated her support of the  cuts that had                                                                   
been made.                                                                                                                      
2:18:38 PM                                                                                                                    
VICKIE  TURNER   MALONE,  SELF,  MAT-SU  LIO,   talked  about                                                                   
Alaskans  working across  the aisle.  She noted  some of  the                                                                   
past  leaders  of  Alaska.  She   thought  the  governor  was                                                                   
blowing  Alaskans  apart.  She   referenced  the  Power  Cost                                                                   
Equalization  (PCE) sweep.  She  advocated legislators  going                                                                   
to Juneau,  as it  was properly  set up  to do business.  She                                                                   
spoke in support  of the budget submitted to  the governor by                                                                   
the legislature.                                                                                                                
2:23:07 PM                                                                                                                    
CAROL  CARMAN, SELF,  MAT-SU LIO,  moved to  Alaska when  she                                                                   
was three  months old.  She thanked  the minority  members of                                                                   
the  House   Finance  Committee  for  following   the  Alaska                                                                   
Constitution and  for following the governor's  proclamation.                                                                   
She  continued  thanking  the minority  members  for  several                                                                   
other  things. She  supported a  full PFD  of $3,000 and  the                                                                   
governor's vetoes.                                                                                                              
2:26:33 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVID LONG, SELF,  MAT-SU LIO, testified in  opposition to HB
2001.  He   applauded  the  governor   for  his   vetoes.  He                                                                   
suggested the state  had to work within its  means. He stated                                                                   
that proposed  new  taxes would  not be enough  to close  the                                                                   
budget  gap.  He  believed  in  a  full  dividend.  He  urged                                                                   
members to work towards a sustainable budget.                                                                                   
2:28:40 PM                                                                                                                    
TERRY SNYDER,  AARP, MAT-SU  LIO (via teleconference),  spoke                                                                   
on  behalf of  AARP  members. She  asked  the legislature  to                                                                   
restore the  funding for the  Senior Benefits  Program, Legal                                                                   
Services, and  the Medicaid Adult  Dental Program.  She spoke                                                                   
in support of Alaskan elders.                                                                                                   
2:31:07 PM                                                                                                                    
MAGGIE HUMM,  AK LEGAL  SERVICES CORP,  MAT-SU LIO,  provided                                                                   
background  information  about   the  role  of  Alaska  Legal                                                                   
Services. She spoke  of the years she practiced  in the field                                                                   
and   the  rampant   violence   and  substance   abuse.   She                                                                   
highlighted that  state funding  had provided critical  legal                                                                   
services to several  different groups. She had  worked in the                                                                   
Mat-Su office for  over eight years. She spoke  of additional                                                                   
contribution  made by  Alaska  Legal Services.  She  reported                                                                   
that three offices  were threatened to be closed  as a result                                                                   
of the reduction in funding.                                                                                                    
Co-Chair  Foster   asked  how   many  offices  Alaska   Legal                                                                   
Services had.                                                                                                                   
Ms. Humm responded that there were 13 offices.                                                                                  
2:34:00 PM                                                                                                                    
GUNNAR  KNAPP, SELF,  MAT-SU  LIO, provided  a  brief bit  of                                                                   
information  about his  background.  He  indicated that  most                                                                   
people should look  at how they were spending  their money in                                                                   
reference  to how  much they  were  being paid.  He spoke  of                                                                   
extravagant  spending   when  oil  revenues  were   huge.  He                                                                   
indicated that  the Permanent Fund  was a good idea  when the                                                                   
state had  excess revenues  to protect  the funds  from being                                                                   
spend  on  boondoggle  projects.  He suggested  that  it  was                                                                   
entirely reasonable  to ask if it was reasonable  to continue                                                                   
paying  the high amount  of the  PFD. He  thought Alaska  was                                                                   
facing more  than determining  how much of  a dividend  to be                                                                   
paid. He  posed the  questions about a  fair and  prudent way                                                                   
of addressing Alaska's needs.                                                                                                   
2:38:09 PM                                                                                                                    
GARVAN  BUCARIA, SELF,  MAT-SU LIO,  testified in  opposition                                                                   
to HB  2001 and believed  it was  disgusting. He  shared that                                                                   
he was  a survivor of depression.  He spoke of  the hardships                                                                   
people  faced. He  recalled  gas rationing,  savings  stamps,                                                                   
and  other  things.   He  advocated  reducing   the  cost  of                                                                   
services. He  believed a  full PFD of  $3000 would  be better                                                                   
spent by recipients than the legislature.                                                                                       
2:41:00 PM                                                                                                                    
ANDREW BREWER,  MERRICK, MAT-SU  LIO, spoke in  opposition to                                                                   
HB  2001.  He  thought  the  legislature  should  change  the                                                                   
statutes  to include  designated  funds. He  argued that  the                                                                   
dividend  was meant  to  be an  investment  for Alaskans.  He                                                                   
stated he would fight the lawlessness of the session.                                                                           
2:43:19 PM                                                                                                                    
TASHA BELKA,  ALASKA RURAL  REHABILITATION CORP,  MAT-SU LIO,                                                                   
discussed  budget cuts  to  critical programs  including  the                                                                   
Alaska  Rural  Rehabilitation   Corporation  (ARRC)  and  the                                                                   
Division of Agriculture's  revolving loan fund.  She provided                                                                   
information  regarding  the  corporation.  She spoke  to  the                                                                   
benefits   of   several  lending   agencies   that   provided                                                                   
necessary  operating capital  for farmers  and ranchers.  She                                                                   
advocated   that   funding   be    restored   for   essential                                                                   
agricultural programs.                                                                                                          
2:45:16 PM                                                                                                                    
PATRICIA  FISHER, SELF,  MAT-SU  LIO, argued  for a  stronger                                                                   
education  system in the  state. She  thought increased  drug                                                                   
use  and homelessness  were among  things  that would  result                                                                   
from a lack of investment in education.                                                                                         
Co-Chair    Foster    recognized    Co-Chair    Wilson    and                                                                   
Representative Grier Hopkins online.                                                                                            
2:47:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MARK  LACKEY,  CCS  EARLY  LEARNING,  MAT-SU  LIO,  spoke  in                                                                   
support  of early  learning programs.  He had  to make  calls                                                                   
about  certain schools  having to  close as  a result  of the                                                                   
governor's  vetoes.  He  implored  the  legislature  and  the                                                                   
governor  to work  together to  come up with  a solution.  He                                                                   
provided a quote regarding protecting all children.                                                                             
2:50:35 PM                                                                                                                    
JOE SCHLANGER,  SELF, MAT-SU LIO,  spoke on behalf of  a full                                                                   
PFD. He noted  several people struggling to  pay their taxes.                                                                   
He  asserted  that  legislators  only  cared  about  personal                                                                   
interest groups.                                                                                                                
2:53:20 PM                                                                                                                    
NANCY  BLAKE,  SELF,  MAT-SU  LIO,  believed  the  governor's                                                                   
budget  was  a  travesty.  She  supported  the  legislature's                                                                   
budget that  would not  devastate the  education system,  did                                                                   
not  leave  elders  without  food or  care,  did  not  hinder                                                                   
efforts  to  address  homelessness,   addiction,  and  mental                                                                   
health, and  did not remove  public safety funding  for rural                                                                   
communities. She  advocated capping  the PFD until  there was                                                                   
an equal  amount of income tax  or wage tax. She  supported a                                                                   
reduction to  oil tax credits.  She asked the  legislature to                                                                   
challenge the governor's cuts.                                                                                                  
2:56:07 PM                                                                                                                    
MARY  FORBES, SELF,  KODIAK  (via teleconference),  spoke  in                                                                   
support of  HB 2001  and a reduced  PFD. [Ms. Forbes  dropped                                                                   
2:57:23 PM                                                                                                                    
CHARLES MCKEE,  SELF, ANCHORAGE,  testified in opposition  to                                                                   
HB 2001. He  spoke of having testified on  another issue that                                                                   
he felt  he influenced.  He spoke of  the fifth  amendment of                                                                   
the United States  Constitution and constructive  larceny. He                                                                   
continued to discuss an issue unrelated to the bill.                                                                            
3:02:21 PM                                                                                                                    
Co-Chair  Foster returned  to  the testimony  of Mary  Forbes                                                                   
from Kodiak.                                                                                                                    
Ms.  Forbes expressed  her disappointment  in the  governor's                                                                   
vetoes and the entitlement of the PFD.                                                                                          
3:03:23 PM                                                                                                                    
ROBYN CASSIDY,  SELF, KODIAK (via teleconference),  supported                                                                   
HB  2001   in  its   current  version.   She  commended   the                                                                   
legislature  for  the  compromise budget.  She  was  dismayed                                                                   
with the governor's  vetoes. She was surprised  at several of                                                                   
the reductions of  which she named several.  She talked about                                                                   
an impending  recession that  would be  likely if  the vetoes                                                                   
stood.  She  advocated  addressing the  revenue  stream.  She                                                                   
suggested a progressive income tax.                                                                                             
3:05:41 PM                                                                                                                    
ALYSON CURREY,  SELF, JUNEAU (via teleconference),  asked the                                                                   
legislature  to   restore  the   funding  from  all   of  the                                                                   
governor's   vetoes,   reverse   the   sweep,  and   pass   a                                                                   
responsible PFD  amount. She thanked legislators  for working                                                                   
together to  protect programs for  the people of  Alaska. She                                                                   
thanked  the legislature  for  working to  protect access  to                                                                   
essential  state  services.  She  stressed  that  the  budget                                                                   
could  not be  balanced  on the  backs  of  the state's  most                                                                   
vulnerable residents.                                                                                                           
3:07:12 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVID  RUDOLPH,  SELF,  MAT-SU  LIO,  encouraged  members  to                                                                   
minimize  or abolish  the PFD  in order  to preserve  several                                                                   
different programs.  He spoke  in support of  education, food                                                                   
and  shelter,   public  announcements,  policing,   community                                                                   
support, rural  support, and infrastructure repair.  He asked                                                                   
that they protect the most vulnerable Alaskans.                                                                                 
3:08:23 PM                                                                                                                    
DEBORAH TILL,  SELF, MAT-SU  LIO, urged  support of  HB 2001.                                                                   
She shared that  she was a nurse practitioner.  She mentioned                                                                   
the  impacts of  cuts on  the most  vulnerable Alaskans.  She                                                                   
provided a quote from FDR.                                                                                                      
3:09:44 PM                                                                                                                    
ELIZABETH  HOLT, SELF,  MAT-SU LIO,  testified in  opposition                                                                   
to HB  2001 and  fully supported  the governor's vetoes.  She                                                                   
supported a  full PFD.  She did not  believe the  state could                                                                   
keep funding all of the existing programs.                                                                                      
3:11:39 PM                                                                                                                    
AMY PETTIT, ALASKA  FARMLAND TRUST, MAT-SU LIO,  testified in                                                                   
support  of HB  2001 in  her roll  with  the Alaska  Farmland                                                                   
Trust. She  was a  parent and  spoke in  favor of  policy and                                                                   
people.  She   supported  the  budget  the   legislature  put                                                                   
forward  to   the  governor.  She  advocated   restoring  all                                                                   
funding to the budget.                                                                                                          
3:13:53 PM                                                                                                                    
SUELYNN  HIGHT,   SELF,  MAT-SU  LIO  (via   teleconference),                                                                   
opposed HB  2001. She had  been a resident  of the  state for                                                                   
45  years. She  agreed with  the governor's  budget cuts  and                                                                   
felt the current  bill was illegal. She supported  a full PFD                                                                   
payment of  $3000. She did not  believe the PFD was  a social                                                                   
handout.  She supported  the governor  and  urged members  to                                                                   
support him.                                                                                                                    
3:17:52 PM                                                                                                                    
LINDA STRODE, SELF,  MAT-SU LIO, thought it  was unreasonable                                                                   
for the  state to take the  proposed cuts. She  thought there                                                                   
would  be  serious  ramifications.  She  noted  some  of  her                                                                   
family members  leaving  the state. Her  family members  left                                                                   
because   of   their   concern   with   education   for   her                                                                   
grandchildren.  She  urged  members   to  do  their  job  and                                                                   
restore the veto funding and ensure Alaska's future.                                                                            
3:20:24 PM                                                                                                                    
BETH  FREAD, SELF,  MAT-SU  LIO,  was disappointed  that  the                                                                   
legislature  had not  figured  out that  all  of its  members                                                                   
were   needed   to  accomplish   something.   She   supported                                                                   
reductions  to  the  budget.   She  opined  that  only  small                                                                   
portions had been  reduced in the budget. The  University was                                                                   
being reduced by  17 percent. She attributed  the violence in                                                                   
Wasilla to  the divide of  the legislature. She  continued to                                                                   
express her disappointment.                                                                                                     
3:23:03 PM                                                                                                                    
ASHLEY  PELTIER,  AMERICAN  LUNG   ASSOCIATION,  MAT-SU  LIO,                                                                   
indicated she  would support her written  testimony. However,                                                                   
she would  review just a few  points. She indicated  the cuts                                                                   
to  Medicaid  was  devastating.  She  provided  her  personal                                                                   
testimony. She spoke  in favor of the restoration  of cuts to                                                                   
education. She thought  she had no reason to  stay in Alaska.                                                                   
She urged  members to put the  health of all  Alaskans before                                                                   
a full PFD.                                                                                                                     
Co-Chair  Foster commented  that he was  really listening  to                                                                   
people's  testimony. He  was trying  to  take away  something                                                                   
from each testifier.                                                                                                            
Representative Wool stated that he was not taking a tally.                                                                      
Vice-Chair  Johnston noted that  she was  taking a  tally but                                                                   
was actively listening.                                                                                                         
3:27:13 PM                                                                                                                    
JESSICA WRIGHT,  SELF, MAT-SU LIO,  objected to HB  2001. She                                                                   
shared  that she  had testified  three times  on the  budget.                                                                   
She was  surprised that the  budget was still  being debated.                                                                   
She supported  the governor's vetoes  and a full PFD  was the                                                                   
right of the  people. She believed the legislature  should be                                                                   
meeting in Wasilla as proclaimed by the governor.                                                                               
3:30:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MELISSA  GUDOBBA,  SELF,  MAT-SU   LIO,  spoke  in  favor  of                                                                   
Governor Dunleavy's  vetoes and a  full PFD. She  thought the                                                                   
legislature  should stand  by the  governor. She  grew up  in                                                                   
Alaska and had  depended on the PFD. She was  skeptical about                                                                   
the process working.                                                                                                            
3:32:52 PM                                                                                                                    
DIANNE SHIBE,  MSEA, MAT-SU LIO,  spoke in favor of  HB 2001.                                                                   
She  was concerned  about  the  uncertainty of  the  proposed                                                                   
cuts. She  mentioned the cut  to the bond reimbursement.  She                                                                   
asked members to put the people of Alaska first.                                                                                
3:34:18 PM                                                                                                                    
KIM EVANS,  SELF, MAT-SU  LIO, was  an educator, parent,  and                                                                   
student.  She asked  if the  legislature  was thinking  long-                                                                   
term or  short-term. She  was concerned  about the  cuts made                                                                   
to the  state budget.  She thought  the cuts  were too  deep.                                                                   
She talked  about the  state having the  lowest taxes  in the                                                                   
nation  with the  highest payout.  She asked  what the  state                                                                   
would  look  like  if  it only  focused  on  the  yearly  PFD                                                                   
instead of public safety, infrastructure, and education.                                                                        
3:36:59 PM                                                                                                                    
BARB DOTY,  SELF, MAT-SU LIO,  spoke in favor  of compromise.                                                                   
She thought  the future  of Alaska  would include  looking at                                                                   
reduced oil  tax credits. She  also supported an  income tax.                                                                   
She  had  four  children,  three  of  whom  lived  in  Alaska                                                                   
presently.  She  had  a daughter  attending  college  out  of                                                                   
state but  would return.  She urged  the legislature  to look                                                                   
at compromise  in terms  of the future  of Alaska.  She asked                                                                   
members to look at the bigger picture and to compromise.                                                                        
3:39:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE  WIDNEY,  SAVE  THE  PFD,   MAT-SU  LIO,  spoke  of  the                                                                   
brilliance  of the  Permanent  Fund. He  thought people  were                                                                   
working  to destroy  the fund.  He advocated  a full PFD.  He                                                                   
believed that  taking the  PFD from  people was a  regressive                                                                   
tax. He indicated  that he would work towards  replacing some                                                                   
3:41:25 PM                                                                                                                    
JACQUELYN  DOZIER,   SELF,  WRANGELL  (via   teleconference),                                                                   
testified  in support  of HB 2001  as amended.  She spoke  of                                                                   
some of the tragedies  in her family. She was  broke when she                                                                   
moved to  Alaska. She  came to  Alaska and  had worked  as an                                                                   
educator  for  years.  She  supported   the  Senior  Benefits                                                                   
Programs. She thanked the committee.                                                                                            
Vice-Chair Ortiz thanked Ms. Dozier for her testimony.                                                                          
3:44:50 PM                                                                                                                    
BILL KENDIG,  SELF, MAT-SU LIO,  opposed the  legislation. He                                                                   
supported the governor's  budget and a full  PFD. He objected                                                                   
to the  special session  being held  in Juneau. He  suggested                                                                   
that  anyone  that  stayed  in   Juneau  broke  the  law.  He                                                                   
stressed  that balancing  the budget was  imperative.  He did                                                                   
not believe  a 17  percent cut to  the University  was large.                                                                   
He thought the  University was mismanaged. He  was shocked at                                                                   
HB 2001. He thought the governor would veto the bill.                                                                           
3:48:04 PM                                                                                                                    
Representative  Wool  interjected   that  the  cuts  of  $440                                                                   
million (10  percent of the  total budget) brought  the total                                                                   
allowable  amount within the  budget to  a $1,600  PFD, which                                                                   
was halfway to $3,000.                                                                                                          
MANDY GERSHON,  SELF, MAT-SU LIO,  spoke in opposition  to HB
2001. She  advocated a  full PFD. She  indicated that  if the                                                                   
legislature  was to  provide a  smaller PFD  it would  not be                                                                   
following the law. She urged members to follow the law.                                                                         
3:51:49 PM                                                                                                                    
JOEL SIGMAN,   SELF,     MAT-SU    LIO,   opined   that   the                                                                   
legislature  did not listen  to the people.  He was  tired of                                                                   
the illegal  things they were  doing. He spoke  about funding                                                                   
that  was wasted  on  construction projects  that  had to  be                                                                   
redone. He  thought there  would be  greater problems  in the                                                                   
future.   He  advocated   for   the  homeless.   He   thought                                                                   
legislators  should walk in  the shoes  of a homeless  person                                                                   
for a  year before  they made  rash decisions about  funding.                                                                   
He did not think people cared or listened.                                                                                      
3:57:25 PM                                                                                                                    
LINDA  SHINE,  SELF, MAT-SU  LIO,  opposed  the cuts  to  the                                                                   
University  of  Alaska.  She  shared  that she  had  been  an                                                                   
elementary   school  teacher.   She  thought   cuts  to   the                                                                   
University  to the point  of closure  was irresponsible.  She                                                                   
did not  believe a  $3,000 PFD  would make  up for  the loss.                                                                   
She thought  the $3,000  would  go outside  the state  to pay                                                                   
for students' education  elsewhere. She viewed  the vetoes as                                                                   
an overcorrection  and  implored the  legislature to  prevent                                                                   
Alaska from being  destroyed by an overcorrection.  She asked                                                                   
the  legislature  to  reinstate  funds  for  the  University,                                                                   
seniors, homeless, and other vital services.                                                                                    
3:59:10 PM                                                                                                                    
TIM  SHINE, SELF,  MAT-SU LIO,  agreed  it would  be nice  to                                                                   
have a  $3,000 PFD, but  he believed  HB 2001 sounded  like a                                                                   
reasonable  compromise.  He  shared  that he  had  voted  for                                                                   
Governor  Dunleavy. He  appreciated  the governor's  pushback                                                                   
on an  income tax.  He disagreed  with the governor's  vetoes                                                                   
and believed they  were unreasonable. He did  not believe the                                                                   
PFD  should be  prioritized  above other  state  institutions                                                                   
and  responsibilities.   He  appreciated   the  legislature's                                                                   
responsible budget.                                                                                                             
4:01:11 PM                                                                                                                    
JERRY HUPP, SELF,  MAT-SU LIO, spoke in favor of  HB 2001 and                                                                   
an income  tax. felt that it  would be irresponsible  to take                                                                   
a  $3,000  PFD  while essential  state  services  were  being                                                                   
"gutted." He  shared that he and  his wife had  received more                                                                   
in PFDs than they  had paid in property taxes  over their 30-                                                                   
years   in  Alaska.   He  remarked   that  residents'   total                                                                   
contribution  to local  and  state services  was  effectively                                                                   
zero.  He  noted that  there  should  be a  consideration  of                                                                   
Alaska's  children. He  spoke in support  of reinstating  the                                                                   
funds affected by the vetoes.                                                                                                   
4:03:23 PM                                                                                                                    
Vice-Chair Johnston  remarked that there was a  request for a                                                                   
break but wanted to ensure that the list was completed.                                                                         
4:04:10 PM                                                                                                                    
ANTHONY BAIOCCHI,  SELF, MAT-SU LIO, spoke in  support of the                                                                   
governor's  intentions.  He  spoke  in support  of  a  budget                                                                   
similar  to  the budget  in  2006.  He  felt  that it  was  a                                                                   
significant increase.  He noted that he had  seen income loss                                                                   
and  had to  personally  budget. He  felt  that Medicaid  was                                                                   
increasing  the  cost  of health  care  of  moderate  working                                                                   
4:06:37 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE  COONS, GREATER  AK  CHAPTER  AMAC ACTION,  MAT-SU  LIO,                                                                   
remarked  that  he was  not  a  part  of a  special  interest                                                                   
group.  He stated  that  that the  PFD  formula was  existing                                                                   
law.  He  felt  that  the  bill  violated  existing  law.  He                                                                   
continued to highlight that the work was illegal.                                                                               
4:10:00 PM                                                                                                                    
LAURIE KARI, SELF,  MAT-SU LIO, spoke against  the governor's                                                                   
vetoes.  She   worked  with  agencies  to   provide  homeless                                                                   
prevention  in  the  community.   She  shared  that  matching                                                                   
grants had  saved the state millions  of dollars in  the long                                                                   
run, which  was something  the governor  was hoping  to veto.                                                                   
She provided additional  examples of negative  impacts of the                                                                   
vetoes. She  encouraged a compromise  between the  vetoes and                                                                   
a reasonable PFD.  She did not want to pull the  rug out from                                                                   
under  compassionate  lifesaving  services.  She  wished  the                                                                   
legislature luck in its negotiation on HB 2001.                                                                                 
4:12:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CRYSTAL  GILLESPIE,  SELF,  MAT-SU  LIO,  remarked  that  her                                                                   
family  had  to  budget  recently  due to  a  change  in  her                                                                   
circumstances.  She  felt that  the  state needed  to  adjust                                                                   
their  lives.  She  urged  the   legislature  to  responsibly                                                                   
budget  to  the  state's  money.  She  stated  that  the  PFD                                                                   
belonged  to the  people. She  felt that  the government  was                                                                   
growing  too  rapidly.  She  wondered  whether  the  programs                                                                   
could be included in the Pick.Click.Give. program.                                                                              
4:16:11 PM                                                                                                                    
MARJIE CUNNINGHAM,  SELF, MAT-SU LIO, urged the  committee to                                                                   
restore  the funding  affected  by the  vetoes. She  remarked                                                                   
that she  was a Medicaid recipient  and would be  affected by                                                                   
the cut  to dental coverage. She  shared that she  was afraid                                                                   
that Medicaid  expansion would be  the next thing  that would                                                                   
be affected  by cuts. She felt  that there should be  a focus                                                                   
on reducing  homelessness. She  spoke against forcing  people                                                                   
onto the street  in the name of  a promise for a  higher PFD.                                                                   
She  noted that  it was  shameful  that Alaska  was the  only                                                                   
state without an Arts Council.                                                                                                  
4:18:27 PM                                                                                                                    
KAREN  SALISBURY, SELF,  MAT-SU  LIO, remarked  that she  and                                                                   
her  husband  lost   their  homes  at  one   point  during  a                                                                   
recession, and  she did  not want to  see that happen  again.                                                                   
She stated  that her family currently  had eight kids  in the                                                                   
Alaska school system,  and many chose their  higher education                                                                   
at the  University of  Alaska system.  She stressed  that the                                                                   
highest  priority should  be education.  She felt that  there                                                                   
could  be a compromise  in the  budget. She  stated that  the                                                                   
PFD, education,  and services to  Alaskans should all  be the                                                                   
4:20:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SARA MARIE  WILLIAMS, HEMP FOR  HEALTHCARE IN  ALASKA, MAT-SU                                                                   
LIO,  stated that  she  was  currently homeless.  She  stated                                                                   
that hemp  had many  important qualities  for the  state. She                                                                   
felt  that   the  hemp  industry   would  provide   jobs  for                                                                   
Alaskans.  She felt that  the governor  was prioritizing  oil                                                                   
money  over  people.  She wanted  a  government  that  valued                                                                   
education and health  care. She remarked that  an intelligent                                                                   
and healthy population was a prosperous population.                                                                             
4:24:03 PM                                                                                                                    
MARY MOUNCE, SELF,  MAT-SU LIO, spoke against  the reductions                                                                   
to  the  Pioneer  Home. She  shared  that  her  sister-in-law                                                                   
suffered  from dementia  caused  by Alzheimer's  disease  and                                                                   
was  currently  resident  of  the  Sitka  Pioneer  Home.  She                                                                   
detailed  that the  monthly cost  was $6,750  or $81,000  per                                                                   
year. She  spoke in opposition  to the proposed  increases in                                                                   
cost.  She asked  the  legislature  to fight  the  governor's                                                                   
proposed budget cuts.                                                                                                           
4:26:11 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVID  WERNER MD,  SELF, MAT-SU  LIO,  shared that  he was  a                                                                   
former family doctor.  He spoke in support  of overriding the                                                                   
governor's  vetoes, a  reduced  PFD, and  an  income tax.  He                                                                   
felt that  the budget cuts would  come at the expense  of the                                                                   
government  services.  He  felt that  the  governor's  vetoes                                                                   
would cause  a recession. He stressed  that there would  be a                                                                   
negative  impact  of  institutional   knowledge  due  to  the                                                                   
effect of the budget vetoes.                                                                                                    
4:29:01 PM                                                                                                                    
ELIZABETH RIPLEY,  OWNER, MAT-SU HEALTH  FOUNDATION, stressed                                                                   
that the  governor's vetoes would  have a negative  effect on                                                                   
the health  of the  people in Mat-Su.  She stated  that state                                                                   
Medicaid dollars  helped Alaska to improve the  health of its                                                                   
citizens.  The   foundation  was  ready  to  work   with  the                                                                   
governor and legislature  to protect healthcare  and critical                                                                   
social   services  without   implementing  draconian   budget                                                                   
measures.  She  supported a  budget  that  made good  use  of                                                                   
state dollars and protected the health of residents.                                                                            
4:31:48 PM                                                                                                                    
NICK PAPACOSTAS, PRESIDENT,    ALASKA    CHAPTER     AMERICAN                                                                   
COLLEGE  OF  EMERGENCY  PHYSICIANS,   MAT-SU  LIO,  spoke  in                                                                   
support of  HB 2001. He  remarked that Medicaid  and Medicaid                                                                   
expansion  were   "game  changers"  for   Alaskans.  Medicaid                                                                   
coverage helped  patients who  were terribly unwell.  He felt                                                                   
that  cutting benefits  for the  patients would  have a  more                                                                   
costly  result. He  remarked  that preventative  dental  care                                                                   
was  comparatively  inexpensive,   so  removing  preventative                                                                   
dental   would  result   in  costly   infections  and   other                                                                   
4:35:19 PM                                                                                                                    
TOM QUIMBY,  EMERGENCY PHYSICIAN,  MAT-SU REGIONAL  HOSPITAL,                                                                   
MAT-SU  LIO,  spoke in  support  of  HB  2001, and  the  full                                                                   
restoration  of the vetoes.  He echoed  the comments  of some                                                                   
previous testifiers.  He shared  that he  grew up  in Chugiak                                                                   
and  attended UAA.  He also  graduated  from the  Washington,                                                                   
Wyoming, Alaska,  Montana, and Idaho (WWAMI)  program and had                                                                   
been employed  as a  firefighter to pay  for school.  He felt                                                                   
that   the   cuts  disproportionately   affected   the   most                                                                   
vulnerable citizens  of the state. He noted that  there was a                                                                   
quantifiable reduction  in substance  abuse, so the  cuts may                                                                   
reverse that reduction in the other direction.                                                                                  
4:38:08 PM                                                                                                                    
LIN DAVIS,  SELF, JUNEAU, applauded  the proposal of  HB 2001                                                                   
and amendments that  would restore the governor's  cuts.  She                                                                   
was  currently  in  Kodiak  to   catch  the  Tustumena  ferry                                                                   
because  she was  concerned it  would  not be  around in  the                                                                   
following year.  She characterized  the governor's  vetoes as                                                                   
dire  and deadly.  She was  amenable  to a  smaller PFD.  She                                                                   
believed  the   governor's  cuts  were  egregious   and  were                                                                   
contrary  to his campaign  promises. She  urged full  funding                                                                   
of the  UA system, AMHS,  public broadcasting,  Pre-K, WWAMI,                                                                   
art programs, and other.                                                                                                        
4:40:42 PM                                                                                                                    
PATTRICE  ILLGUTH,  SELF, NORTH  POLE  (via  teleconference),                                                                   
spoke  against  HB  2001.  She  remarked  that  she  and  her                                                                   
husband had  felt the cuts  when Governor Walker  had reduced                                                                   
the  PFDs.  She stated  that  she  did  not like  the  school                                                                   
system,  so she  homeschooled  her kids.  She  felt that  the                                                                   
governor made  good cuts. She  applauded the  legislators who                                                                   
went to Wasilla.  She remarked that cutting  the budget would                                                                   
affect the state's economy.                                                                                                     
4:43:47 PM                                                                                                                    
LILY WERTS,  SELF, ANCHORAGE (via teleconference),  supported                                                                   
HB  2001.  She  supported fully  funding  the  vetoed  budget                                                                   
items. Additionally,  she was in favor of a PFD  of $1,600 or                                                                   
a surplus dividend  of $929 if it would allow  vital services                                                                   
to be  maintained. She  reported that  she and her  boyfriend                                                                   
had  been  planning  to  buy  a  home  but  his  job  at  the                                                                   
University  was now  in jeopardy.  She had  been planning  to                                                                   
seek a master's  degree, but it  was unlikely due to  cuts to                                                                   
the University.                                                                                                                 
4:45:34 PM                                                                                                                    
GHERT  ABBOTT, SELF,  KETCHIKAN  (via teleconference),  spoke                                                                   
in support  of HB 2001.  He believed  the bill did  the least                                                                   
economic and  social damage to  Alaska in the  short-term. He                                                                   
felt that  overturning  the governor's  vetoes should  be the                                                                   
most  immediate priority  for  the legislature.  However,  he                                                                   
believed the  regressive dividend  head tax contained  in the                                                                   
bill would have  the same impact as the governor's  vetoes in                                                                   
the   long-term.  He   believed  that   the  elderly,   rural                                                                   
communities,  students, and  working poor  Alaskans would  be                                                                   
the most  impacted. He  spoke in  favor of  an income  tax to                                                                   
provide the state with sustainable revenue.                                                                                     
4:47:12 PM                                                                                                                    
TRACIE  HAAN, SELF,  PALMER  (via teleconference),  spoke  in                                                                   
support of HB  2001. She asked what consolation  a $3,000 PFD                                                                   
gave   to   University   employees   who   had   lost   their                                                                   
livelihoods.  She thought  the PFD  represented the  ultimate                                                                   
handout.  She stressed  that the  bill would  only limit  the                                                                   
PFD,  not  eliminate  it.  She spoke  to  the  importance  of                                                                   
protecting the safety and health of Alaskans.                                                                                   
4:49:50 PM                                                                                                                    
GEORGE PIERCE,  SELF, KASILOF (via teleconference),  spoke in                                                                   
support of a full  PFD. He shared that he had  been in Alaska                                                                   
for 30 years  and felt that  there should not be  funding for                                                                   
nonprofits  and special  interest  groups.  He applauded  the                                                                   
governor  for reducing  education funding.  He felt that  the                                                                   
oil companies should be taxed.                                                                                                  
4:53:17 PM                                                                                                                    
ALICE  BIOFF,  SELF,  NOME  (via  teleconference),  spoke  in                                                                   
support of HB 2001.  She spoke in support of  funding for the                                                                   
Alaska  State Council  on the  Arts  (ASCA). She  highlighted                                                                   
the benefits  and work  of ASCA. She  remarked that  ASCA had                                                                   
officially  closed  the  day   prior.  She  shared  the  many                                                                   
beneficial  programs that were  a way  to integrate  art into                                                                   
the educational systems.                                                                                                        
4:56:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CHRISTOPHER  KURKA,  SELF,  MAT-SU  LIO, felt  that  the  PFD                                                                   
belonged to  the people.  He felt that  reducing the  PFD was                                                                   
like an  insidious tax.  He felt that  the legislature  had a                                                                   
responsibility to make wise budget choices.                                                                                     
4:58:05 PM                                                                                                                    
KATHLEEN GRABER,  SELF, MAT-SU LIO,  did not want  to testify                                                                   
for   or   against   HB   2001.   She   spoke   against   the                                                                   
deconstruction of  Alaskan services. She shared  that she had                                                                   
paid taxes  when she  first arrived in  the state,  and never                                                                   
questioned her responsibility  to pay taxes. She  stated that                                                                   
residents  live  in Alaska,  because  they love  Alaska.  She                                                                   
hoped that there  would be a halt to reducing  the quality of                                                                   
life in the  state. She stressed that not  everyone was tough                                                                   
enough to  live Alaska.  She remarked that  she had  lived in                                                                   
Valdez  with no  television,  and bottles  of  soda were  not                                                                   
available when she was a teenager.                                                                                              
5:01:29 PM                                                                                                                    
BROOKE HEPPINSTELL,  SELF, MAT-SU  LIO, testified  in support                                                                   
of HB 2001.  She supported having the capital  in Juneau. She                                                                   
reported  her family  had never  budgeted  on something  that                                                                   
had  not happened  yet  - like  the  PFD.  She supported  new                                                                   
revenues   and   improved   education.   She   stressed   the                                                                   
importance of  discontinuing disparaging  the brain  power of                                                                   
people who were educated in the state.                                                                                          
5:03:58 PM                                                                                                                    
DIANA SLOAN-BASNER,  SELF, MAT-SU  LIO, testified  in support                                                                   
of  the  bill.  She supported  engineers  at  the  University                                                                   
working on climate  change issues. She was  disappointed that                                                                   
Governor  Dunleavy had  hired  his budget  director from  the                                                                   
Lower 48.  She was  curious about  the governor's  motivation                                                                   
to cut the Ocean  Ranger Program that did not  cost the state                                                                   
any money.  She spoke to the  governor's claim the  state was                                                                   
open to business,  but she thought it appeared  the state was                                                                   
closed  to seniors,  children,  and  other. She  pointed  out                                                                   
that the University  was the only higher education  option in                                                                   
Alaska.  She supported  making it  an affordable,  attractive                                                                   
option for  students. She asked for  a change to the  oil tax                                                                   
credits  and an  income tax.  She thanked  the committee  for                                                                   
its work on the previous budget.                                                                                                
5:07:19 PM                                                                                                                    
ROBIN LOCKWOOD,  SELF,  MAT-SU LIO, supported  the bill.  She                                                                   
shared  that she  had  recently graduated  with  a Master  of                                                                   
Arts  in  Teaching   from  the  University  of   Alaska.  She                                                                   
supported  the override  of the  governor's  vetoes. She  was                                                                   
disappointed in  the outcome on  the vote the  previous week.                                                                   
The  programs impacted  her community  members.  She did  not                                                                   
believe  every  Alaskan  had been  taken  into  consideration                                                                   
when  the  governor  had  made  his  vetoes.  She  asked  the                                                                   
committee to consider reinstating a state income tax.                                                                           
5:09:42 PM                                                                                                                    
LAURA BESS, SELF,  JUNEAU (via teleconference),  testified in                                                                   
support  of  the  bill.  She  was  opposed  to  cuts  to  the                                                                   
University.  She was a  professor at UAS  and wanted  to keep                                                                   
her job  and remain in Alaska.  She urged the  legislature to                                                                   
find a way to  work together to find a more  responsible PFD.                                                                   
She  asked the  legislature to  restore the  vetoes. She  was                                                                   
shocked  by   individuals  who  were  only   concerned  about                                                                   
themselves  and   not  others.  She  spoke  about   the  over                                                                   
subsidization  to   the  oil  industry.  She   advocated  for                                                                   
healthcare   and  other.   The  cuts   were  devastating   to                                                                   
communities.  Alaska  deserved  better  than  the  cuts;  she                                                                   
supported a responsible PFD.                                                                                                    
5:12:46 PM                                                                                                                    
MARK WHEELER,  SELF, JUNEAU  (via teleconference),  testified                                                                   
in support  of the bill.  He reported  he was present  in the                                                                   
Juneau  Capitol Building.  He  spoke about  hospitality.  The                                                                   
governor's budget  did not reflect how Alaskans  treated each                                                                   
other. He  stressed that  Alaskans did  not turn their  backs                                                                   
on  the homeless  people and  other.  He shared  that he  had                                                                   
lost his  job working  for a  nonprofit seven  years ago.  He                                                                   
stressed  that thousands  of people  would  lose their  jobs,                                                                   
people may  die, and  other negative  things would  occur. He                                                                   
asked  what  type of  a  state  people  wanted. He  asked  if                                                                   
people wanted to see people leave the state.                                                                                    
5:15:39 PM                                                                                                                    
LUANN  MCVEY, SELF,  JUNEAU  (via teleconference),  spoke  in                                                                   
support  of the bill.  She had  planned to  live the  rest of                                                                   
her  life  in Alaska,  but  now  she was  reconsidering.  She                                                                   
would  give up  her entire  PFD to  preserve the  University,                                                                   
Medicaid,  AMHS,   seniors,  and   other.  She   supported  a                                                                   
personal income tax  and the removal of oil  tax credits. She                                                                   
asked the committee  to do the right thing for  the people of                                                                   
Alaska. She thanked the committee for its time.                                                                                 
5:17:37 PM                                                                                                                    
TOM  RUTECKI, SELF,  JUNEAU (via  teleconference),  testified                                                                   
in favor of the  bill. He shared that the state  did not have                                                                   
the  revenue to  pay for  a $3,000  PFD because  SB 21  never                                                                   
lived up  to expectations. The  PFD was important  to certain                                                                   
people,  especially  to  village residents.  He  pointed  out                                                                   
that the  Village Public  Safety Officer  (VPSO) program  had                                                                   
been  gutted and  he  believed $3,000  per  person would  not                                                                   
make up  for the loss. He  shared that Wyoming was  much more                                                                   
conservative  than  Alaska  and  it had  just  approved  $1.7                                                                   
million for  its university  engineering initiative.  His PFD                                                                   
would be eaten  up by airline tickets because  there would be                                                                   
no ferries to travel. He urged the passage of the bill.                                                                         
5:19:41 PM                                                                                                                    
RHONDA STARK,  CITIZEN, BUSINESS  OWNER, MAT-SU  LIO, opposed                                                                   
the  bill. She  stressed  that emotion  would  not solve  the                                                                   
state's  problems. She  thought it  was important  to do  the                                                                   
hard  things at  present and  resurrect the  Alaska "can  do"                                                                   
spirit.  She  stated that  she  was  a University  of  Alaska                                                                   
alumni and  former employee. Her  daughter was a  graduate of                                                                   
UAF  and  had  graduated  as a  scholar.  She  stressed  that                                                                   
Alaska was  first in the nation  in per capita  spending. She                                                                   
detailed  that the  University  was overfunded.  She  thought                                                                   
the state  needed to  be better  financial footing  before it                                                                   
considered taking  the PFD. She was not opposed  to using the                                                                   
PFD, but less needed to be spent.                                                                                               
5:22:58 PM                                                                                                                    
CHELSEA  GREGERSEN,  AK  LEGAL  SERVICES  CORP,  MAT-SU  LIO,                                                                   
shared  that   she  worked  with  vulnerable   Alaskans.  She                                                                   
detailed  a  story  about  a   client  who  had  applied  for                                                                   
services.  She provided  other  examples of  clients she  had                                                                   
assisted. She  explained that  Alaska Legal Services  was the                                                                   
only provider of  comprehensive free civil legal  services in                                                                   
Alaska. She  shared that she currently  had to turn  away one                                                                   
applicant  for   every  applicant   she  could   assist.  She                                                                   
stressed  that individuals  would have  nowhere to turn.  She                                                                   
elaborated on the services she provided to clients.                                                                             
5:26:11 PM                                                                                                                    
BARBARA  SHEW,  SELF,  MAT-SU  LIO,  detailed  that  she  had                                                                   
served in  the military  and had  been an Iditarod  volunteer                                                                   
for the  past five  years. She  shared that  many elderly  in                                                                   
Alaska  were  scared.  She  was  opposed  to  the  governor's                                                                   
elimination of funding  for the Senior Benefits  Program. She                                                                   
relayed  her family  was all  in the  Lower 48,  but she  was                                                                   
happy in  Alaska. She  stated that the  kids in  Alaska would                                                                   
have to  leave the  state to  find work,  which did  not seem                                                                   
right.  She shared  that she  did not  plan on  her PFD.  She                                                                   
thanked the committee.                                                                                                          
5:29:38 PM                                                                                                                    
VALERIE BAFFONE,  SELF, MAT-SU  LIO, supported the  bill. She                                                                   
had   spent  her   life  in   Alaska   being  afforded   many                                                                   
opportunities.  She thought the  state was  taking a  turn in                                                                   
the  wrong direction.  She did  not  want to  see family  and                                                                   
friends  move  because  opportunities   had  been  lost.  She                                                                   
believed the state  constitution did a good  job prioritizing                                                                   
things. She was  opposed to the budget cuts.  She spoke about                                                                   
problems  in  the  state with  alcoholism,  drug  abuse,  and                                                                   
other.  She did not  mind paying  taxes, a  reduction  to the                                                                   
PFD, or a change to oil taxes. She wanted services funded.                                                                      
5:32:38 PM                                                                                                                    
DEE  QUINN, SELF,  MAT-SU LIO,  supported the  bill. She  was                                                                   
against  the  governor's  vetoes  and  was  supportive  of  a                                                                   
reduced  PFD.  She  shared  that her  children  had  gone  to                                                                   
college  and were  now living  in the state.  She stated  the                                                                   
future was  looking bleak. She  felt many jobs would  be lost                                                                   
if  the budget  passed  and she  thought  it  would send  the                                                                   
state  back  into  a recession.  She  recalled  the  horrible                                                                   
recession in the 1980s.                                                                                                         
5:34:54 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHN  ROZZI,  MAT-SU  COALITION ON  HOUSING  &  HOMELESSNESS,                                                                   
MAT-SU LIO, supported  HB 2001. He found it  unfortunate that                                                                   
the  situation  was  pitting  the  most  vulnerable  Alaskans                                                                   
against one another.  He stated that everyone  needed the PFD                                                                   
and everyone  needed the state  services. He shared  that the                                                                   
funding  provided  in  the  past eight  years  had  formed  a                                                                   
network  of  coalitions  supporting   individuals  in  Mat-Su                                                                   
including  the reentry  program,  opioid taskforce,  homeless                                                                   
prevention,   food   banks,    early   childhood   education,                                                                   
behavioral health  providers, and  more. The most  vulnerable                                                                   
Alaskans   were  worthy   of   the  programs.   He   stressed                                                                   
compromise  beyond party  affiliations to  work for  the good                                                                   
of the community.                                                                                                               
5:37:18 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVE ROSE, MAT-SU  COALITION ON HOUSING &  HOMELESSNESS, MAT-                                                                   
SU LIO,  spoke in favor  of the bill.  He felt people  in the                                                                   
state had  been working  and working to  build things  up. He                                                                   
shared that  in the Mat-Su  people helped people.  He thought                                                                   
that programs  were  built up  in the valley  and across  the                                                                   
state because people  cared about other people.  He was proud                                                                   
to  be in  Alaska; he  married  into the  state. He  provided                                                                   
detail  about  his  life  in the  state  and  his  work  with                                                                   
homeless. He  had not  done one of  those things  by himself,                                                                   
he used  the state  roads, laws,  and system.  The state  had                                                                   
been  there to  help him.  He  hoped the  state continued  to                                                                   
care  about its  citizens.  He  thanked the  legislature  for                                                                   
working across the  aisle and for working together.  He spoke                                                                   
about the youth in the state.                                                                                                   
5:41:37 PM                                                                                                                    
Co-Chair  Foster  recognized  Senator  Shelly Hughes  in  the                                                                   
GRETCHEN CLAYTON,  VALLEY INTERFACE ACTION, MAT-SU  LIO, read                                                                   
a statement from  Lynn Anslem. She shared the  individual had                                                                   
numerous   health  problems.   She  could   not  afford   her                                                                   
medications  if  the vetoes  stood.  She  could not  see  her                                                                   
physicians  if   the  vetoes   occurred.  She  would   become                                                                   
homeless.   She  considered  leaving   the  state;   however,                                                                   
qualifying for health  insurance was unlikely.  She asked how                                                                   
she  would survive.  Ms.  Clayton  spoke about  her  personal                                                                   
life and  shared that she was  a diabetic. She had  been able                                                                   
to have  dental care  due to Medicaid  coverage. She  opposed                                                                   
the vetoes.                                                                                                                     
5:45:05 PM                                                                                                                    
DIANNE WOODRUFF,  SELF, MAT-SU  LIO, supported the  bill. She                                                                   
thought the original  budget passed by the  legislature was a                                                                   
compromise.  She   opposed  cuts  to  housing   and  homeless                                                                   
programs,  children,  healthcare,  and  other.  She  did  not                                                                   
support  pitting urban  and  rural communities  against  each                                                                   
other. She  believed the vetoes  would hamstring a  number of                                                                   
nonprofits requiring  matching funds. She  referenced stories                                                                   
she had  heard about  people becoming  homeless  - it  made a                                                                   
big difference  when a  person got  a temporary handout.  She                                                                   
thought  an income tax  would be  a better  way to  deal with                                                                   
the situation, but  she was fine with taking part  of the PFD                                                                   
if it was  needed. She hoped  a plan with income  would occur                                                                   
the following  year. She  was disappointed  in the  governor.                                                                   
She  noted  that  the capital  was  in  Juneau  and  meetings                                                                   
should take place there.                                                                                                        
5:49:37 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHAN  MOROPOULOS, SELF,  MAT-SU  LIO, detailed  that he  had                                                                   
moved  to  Alaska  40  years   earlier.  He  referenced  dire                                                                   
predictions about  what would occur  if the budget  cuts came                                                                   
to  fruition. He  had  lived in  Greece  in the  past and  in                                                                   
recent  years he  had  witnessed the  economic  chaos in  the                                                                   
country  where businesses  had  closed, and  people had  lost                                                                   
jobs;  Greece   had  spent   money  it   did  not   have.  He                                                                   
acknowledged the  good of the programs offered  by the state,                                                                   
but he  implored the  committee  to get its  fiscal house  in                                                                   
order. He  stressed the  state could not  spend money  it did                                                                   
not have.                                                                                                                       
5:51:37 PM                                                                                                                    
CODY  JOHNSON, SELF,  MAT-SU, supported  HB 2001.  He was  in                                                                   
favor  of  looking at  other  forms  of  revenue such  as  an                                                                   
income  tax.  He  implored  the  committee  to  override  the                                                                   
vetoes. He stressed  that his wife would lose her  job at the                                                                   
University  if  the vetoes  took  effect.  He had  read  that                                                                   
6,000 residents  could lose their  jobs. He opposed  a $3,000                                                                   
government  handout  at  the  expense  of  people  and  their                                                                   
livelihoods. He asked the legislature to pass the bill.                                                                         
5:52:58 PM                                                                                                                    
JONATHAN  RUDD,  SELF,  MAT-SU  LIO,  testified  against  the                                                                   
bill.  He supported  a full PFD.  He thought  taking the  PFD                                                                   
was not  right and pit one  group of people  against another.                                                                   
He  added that  the issue  had divided  the legislature  into                                                                   
two  sections. He  asked the  legislature to  stick with  the                                                                   
original  formula. He  suggested  that  when the  legislature                                                                   
needed  more  money,  it  should ask  people  to  donate  via                                                                   
5:56:29 PM                                                                                                                    
BRUCE  WILLIAMS, SELF,  MAT-SU LIO,  had lived  in the  state                                                                   
for   many  years.   He  had   watched   the  state   receive                                                                   
substantial money.  He supported the  PFD. He shared  that he                                                                   
had had  cancer five  times. The state  could not  keep going                                                                   
like it  was; change was  needed. He thought  the legislature                                                                   
had not  listened to  residents. He shared  that he  had been                                                                   
taught to  listen. He  did not  like having  to live  off the                                                                   
state  or  having cancer  numerous  times.  He did  not  like                                                                   
asking  for help.  He  shared  personal information.  He  was                                                                   
alive  because  people had  helped  him  and done  the  right                                                                   
thing.  He shared  that  Benzene had  caused  his cancer.  He                                                                   
stressed that  the legislature  could not  take the  PFDs. He                                                                   
emphasized   that  people  needed   the  legislature's   help                                                                   
immediately.  He  did  not  support   taking  the  PFDs  from                                                                   
children.  He   implored  the   committee  to  do   something                                                                   
immediately. He urged coming together.                                                                                          
6:02:48 PM                                                                                                                    
JOEL FULLER,  SELF, MAT-SU LIO,  opposed the bill.  He shared                                                                   
that  he  had moved  to  Alaska  in  1958. He  supported  the                                                                   
governor's  vetoes  and  believed  the  legislature  was  not                                                                   
fiscally accountable.  He thought a constitutional  amendment                                                                   
that would  implement a  spending cap  was needed.  He stated                                                                   
that people  did not  trust the legislature  to do  the right                                                                   
thing.  He supported  forward  funding the  budget. He  could                                                                   
spend his  money, but he  did not have  a right to  spend the                                                                   
state's money.                                                                                                                  
6:05:59 PM                                                                                                                    
TAMMY FISHER, SELF,  MAT-SU LIO, supported the  bill. She did                                                                   
not  support  cuts  to  the  AMHS   or  education  for  young                                                                   
Alaskans. She asked  what message they were  sending children                                                                   
when education and  the University were cut.  Taking away the                                                                   
university system  would force  students to leave  the state.                                                                   
She believed  the cuts were  short-sighted. She  believed the                                                                   
state needed  to train its  educators. She could  not imagine                                                                   
the  fear elderly  people  were experiencing  currently.  She                                                                   
did  not believe  a full  PFD was  fiscally responsible.  She                                                                   
supported a sales tax and reduced PFD.                                                                                          
6:08:30 PM                                                                                                                    
MARGARET  ADSIT, SELF,  MAT-SU LIO, supported  the bill.  She                                                                   
focused   on  agriculture   -   cuts   to  agriculture   were                                                                   
devastating  to farmers  and reduced  opportunities to  enter                                                                   
the  industry.  She reported  that  defunding  the  marketing                                                                   
Alaskan Grown  program was detrimental  to the  industry. She                                                                   
stated that farmers  were fiercely independent.  She spoke to                                                                   
agricultural research  coming into the state  and development                                                                   
of  new  research.  The reduction  of  research  funds  meant                                                                   
farmers could not diversify crops.                                                                                              
6:12:02 PM                                                                                                                    
MATTHEW  BOCKEY, ALASKA  LEGAL SERVICES,  MAT-SU LIO,  was in                                                                   
favor  of  the bill.  He  urged  the legislature  to  restore                                                                   
funding  for  Alaska  Legal  Services.  He  provided  details                                                                   
about  clients he  worked with  including  victims of  sexual                                                                   
abuse, disabled  individuals, elderly, and other.  All of the                                                                   
clients  had  something  in  common -  they  would  not  have                                                                   
access to legal services without Alaska Legal Services.                                                                         
6:14:51 PM                                                                                                                    
JAMES  SELLEN,  SELF,  MAT-SU   LIO,  opposed  the  bill.  He                                                                   
believed  the PFD  belonged  to the  citizens  of Alaska.  He                                                                   
discussed  the   University  budget   and  believed   it  was                                                                   
overfunded.  He believed  the University  had many high  paid                                                                   
employees.  He wondered  how much  money  the University  had                                                                   
received  the  previous  year.  He  shared  that  he  was  on                                                                   
Medicaid. He supported the full PFD.                                                                                            
6:21:23 PM                                                                                                                    
JANEL  GAGNON, NO  MORE  MAT-SU,  MAT-SU LIO,  supported  the                                                                   
bill. She supported  a reduced PFD and the  implementation of                                                                   
taxes. She  was married to a  man born and raised  in Alaska.                                                                   
She shared  that she was  a teacher  but had been  working in                                                                   
her  husband's medical  practice  for the  past three  years.                                                                   
She  volunteered elsewhere.  She echoed  prior comments  made                                                                   
about  the disenfranchised  and  vulnerable, but  she had  to                                                                   
speak out  for children.  She shared  how frustrating  it was                                                                   
for high  school students  who  could not  vote. She did  not                                                                   
think  a person could  claim to  be a  champion for  children                                                                   
and  support the  vetoes. She  underscored the  high rate  of                                                                   
child  abuse in  the state.  She  wanted to  know how  people                                                                   
were not  all talking  about the issue.  She stated  that the                                                                   
statistics  were  not  possible  without  a  high  number  of                                                                   
perpetrators.  She  stressed  that  the  PFD  went  to  those                                                                   
perpetrators who were not known.                                                                                                
6:25:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MEGHAN AUBE-TRAMMEL,  SELF, PALMER,  testified in  support of                                                                   
HB 2001.  She shared  personal information.  She brought  her                                                                   
baby  daughter to  the meeting  because she  believed it  was                                                                   
important  for the  legislature  to  see families  that  were                                                                   
impacted. She  supported the  University and underscored  her                                                                   
opposition to the  governor's cuts. She detailed  that if the                                                                   
cuts came  to fruition, she  would lose her  adjunct teaching                                                                   
position.  She  supported a  modest  PFD.  She had  lived  in                                                                   
Alaska  her  entire  life and  reported  that  residents  had                                                                   
never  received  $3,000  PFDs.  She  opposed  the  governor's                                                                   
vetoes.  She  thanked  the  committee   for  its  work  on  a                                                                   
compromise budget.                                                                                                              
6:27:56 PM                                                                                                                    
RON JOHNSON,  SELF, MAT-SU LIO,  opposed HB 2001.  He thought                                                                   
government was just  getting larger and larger.  He wanted to                                                                   
reset the budget  to understand how much money  there was and                                                                   
how to prioritize  it. He believed it was the  time to reduce                                                                   
government.  He  supported the  governor's  cuts  and a  full                                                                   
PFD. He  was not willing  to give up  his PFD until  spending                                                                   
was controlled.                                                                                                                 
6:30:37 PM                                                                                                                    
GREGORY PUSH,  SELF, MAT-SU LIO,  spoke against the  bill. He                                                                   
stressed that  the PFD belonged  to the people as  written in                                                                   
the constitution.  He underscored  that the founding  fathers                                                                   
of  the PFD  did not  want the  money  to be  spent on  state                                                                   
government. He was  sorry people were losing  their jobs, but                                                                   
he saw thousands of families leaving in recent years.                                                                           
6:34:00 PM                                                                                                                    
HANNAH   ATKINSON,  SELF,   KOTZEBUE  (via   teleconference),                                                                   
supported  the  bill  and funding  for  state  services.  She                                                                   
encouraged  legislators  to  listen   to  rural  Alaska  when                                                                   
considering the  budget, which she believed the  governor had                                                                   
failed  to do.  She  stated  that cutting  education,  public                                                                   
safety, Medicaid,  public radio, and Power  Cost Equalization                                                                   
(PCE)  would cause  considerable  hardships  to  some of  the                                                                   
most  vulnerable people.  She  asked the  legislature to  cut                                                                   
the oil tax credits for oil companies.                                                                                          
6:36:37 PM                                                                                                                    
LAURIE  PHILLIPS, WASILLA  HOMELESS  COMMISSION, MAT-SU  LIO,                                                                   
opposed the vetoes.  She stressed the homeless  problem would                                                                   
increase   dramatically   if   the   vetoes   occurred.   She                                                                   
highlighted  the  importance of  senior  benefits,  veterans,                                                                   
health,  and mental  health issues  impacting  people on  the                                                                   
street.  She   discussed  that  there  had   been  coalitions                                                                   
formed, but she  did not believe the work would  be enough if                                                                   
the cuts  went through.  She implored  the committee  to look                                                                   
at  the  people  impacted  by the  issues.  She  thanked  the                                                                   
committee for its work.                                                                                                         
6:38:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CAROLYN  PORTER,  SELF,  MAT-SU LIO,  testified  against  the                                                                   
bill. She  supported cuts to the  budget and a full  PFD. She                                                                   
shared that  she had worked for  three nonprofits and  in law                                                                   
enforcement. She  stressed that many cuts could  be made. She                                                                   
referenced a  chart showing the  top employees in  the state.                                                                   
She  detailed that  15  of the  20  top paid  employees  were                                                                   
University  employees.  She reiterated  cuts  could be  made.                                                                   
She asked the legislature to follow the law.                                                                                    
6:41:22 PM                                                                                                                    
AMY HENRY,  SELF, MAT-SU  LIO, opposed  the bill.  She stated                                                                   
that everyone  felt they  could spend  her money better  than                                                                   
she could. She  thought it was "me, me, me."  She paid all of                                                                   
her  own medical  bills. She  stated there  were perhaps  too                                                                   
many nonprofits.  She stated that people needed  to live with                                                                   
the  vetoes. She  underscored  the state  could  not live  on                                                                   
borrowed money. She supported the cuts.                                                                                         
6:43:20 PM                                                                                                                    
NICOLE  BARROME,  ALASKA  FEDERATION  OF  NATIVES,  ANCHORAGE                                                                   
(via  teleconference),   was  in  favor  of  the   bill.  She                                                                   
referenced sections  of the constitution specifying  that the                                                                   
legislature shall  provide for education, a  university shall                                                                   
be established,  and other.  She supported the  legislature's                                                                   
compromise  budget. She  opposed the  governor's vetoes.  She                                                                   
asked the legislature to pass the bill.                                                                                         
6:45:24 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVE  MAXWELL,  SELF, PALMER  (via  teleconference),  opposed                                                                   
the bill.  He thought the whole  thing was a sham.  He shared                                                                   
that   government  had   been   his  employer.   He   thought                                                                   
government  was corrupt.  He had  called  human resources  on                                                                   
individuals  who  had  been falsifying  their  timecards.  He                                                                   
thought the  government institutions  were filled  with money                                                                   
waste. He  supported the  governor's cuts.  He wanted  to get                                                                   
rid  of  the  corruption.  He   had  become  a  whistleblower                                                                   
because he believed in statutes and regulations.                                                                                
6:50:37 PM                                                                                                                    
JEFF GUARD,  SELF, ANCHORAGE (via teleconference),  supported                                                                   
the bill. He  reported that Kansas had been  doing well until                                                                   
former Governor  Brownback had come  into office. He  did not                                                                   
support  Governor  Dunleavy's   vetoes  -  the  governor  was                                                                   
dismantling the state.                                                                                                          
6:52:36 PM                                                                                                                    
LAURA STEELE,  SELF, JUNEAU  (via teleconference),  testified                                                                   
in favor of the  bill. She was speaking on  behalf of herself                                                                   
and her  grandparents who were  not able to speak  today. She                                                                   
supported a  reduced PFD or no  PFD. She did not  support the                                                                   
vetoes.  She  did  not  see the  situation  as  an  either/or                                                                   
scenario. She  thought it  was possible to  have the  PFD and                                                                   
services. She emphasized  that she was not part  of a special                                                                   
interest  group.  She did  not  believe the  governor's  cuts                                                                   
reflected Alaskan  values. She asked  for a reduction  to the                                                                   
oil tax  credits. She  asked the  legislators to keep  fellow                                                                   
Alaskans at  the front of  their minds when  making decisions                                                                   
about the  future of the  state. She thanked  the legislature                                                                   
for its  hard work  and compromise.  She asked the  committee                                                                   
to have courage.                                                                                                                
6:55:45 PM                                                                                                                    
KRISTIN GAROT,  SELF, JUNEAU (via teleconference),  supported                                                                   
the  bill.  She  spoke  to the  detrimental  impacts  of  the                                                                   
governor's  vetoes. She  feared  for the  state's future  and                                                                   
supported  a  reduced  PFD.  She  asked  the  legislature  to                                                                   
override the vetoes.                                                                                                            
6:58:05 PM                                                                                                                    
TERRI MULLIS,  SELF, FAIRBANKS (via teleconference),  opposed                                                                   
the  bill.  She  believed  taking  the  PFD  was  theft.  She                                                                   
thought the legislature  should have followed  the governor's                                                                   
call  to meet  in Wasilla.  She  spoke to  lobbying by  labor                                                                   
unions.  She stated  that everyday  people  could not  lobby.                                                                   
She asked about  the people who did not have  a retirement or                                                                   
medical  services.  She wondered  what  would  happen to  the                                                                   
people  who  were  struggling.  She thought  the  budget  was                                                                   
devastating to the people in the middle.                                                                                        
SHANNON  MEDLOCK,   SELF,  ANCHORAGE  (via   teleconference),                                                                   
spoke in favor  of HB 2001. She talked about  the benefits of                                                                   
the University of  Alaska. She was scared for  her future and                                                                   
for the future  education of her children.  She urged members                                                                   
to overturn the University vetoes and to support HB 2001.                                                                       
7:05:10 PM                                                                                                                    
TRAVIS   FRIESEN,   SELF,   PALMER    (via   teleconference),                                                                   
supported HB  2001. He  spoke in favor  of the University  of                                                                   
Alaska  and  was  concerned with  the  cuts  associated  with                                                                   
agriculture  and AMHS. He  thought a larger  PFD was  not the                                                                   
answer to  the current fiscal  program. He would  rather have                                                                   
access to  education rather than  a $3,000 PFD.  He continued                                                                   
to speak  in favor of  several programs.  He did not  want to                                                                   
receive a PFD if it meant losing programs.                                                                                      
7:08:55 PM                                                                                                                    
ELLEN   FRANKENSTEIN,  SELF,   SITKA  (via   teleconference),                                                                   
supported several  of the programs  that would be cut  by the                                                                   
governor's vetoes.  She wanted organizations to  be alive and                                                                   
well. She thanked members for representing Alaskans.                                                                            
7:10:51 PM                                                                                                                    
ELIZABETH  BACOM,  SELF,  PETERSBURG   (via  teleconference),                                                                   
spoke  in support  of  HB 2001  and a  smaller  PFD. She  was                                                                   
overwhelmed by  the passionate  testimony from Alaskans.  She                                                                   
claimed  that  psychological  warfare  was occurring  in  the                                                                   
state  presently.  She  thought  the line  item  vetoes  were                                                                   
intended to  rile up  people in Alaska.  She thought  a large                                                                   
PFD clouded the  real issues. She spoke of  those that relied                                                                   
on social services.  She asserted that psychological  warfare                                                                   
caused  many ill  effects  on people.  She  urged members  to                                                                   
pass HB 2001 and to override the vetoes.                                                                                        
7:13:36 PM                                                                                                                    
LAURA  STATS, SELF,  JUNEAU (via  teleconference),  supported                                                                   
HB 2001. She  was amazed at the testimony  on the complicated                                                                   
issues. She thanked  the committee for crafting  a reasonable                                                                   
budget. She thought  education was a force  of democracy. She                                                                   
supported  a  successful business  community.  She  supported                                                                   
what was  best for Alaska as  a whole. She favored  an income                                                                   
tax. She  thought the  governor was  tyrannical and  that his                                                                   
vetoes showed a lack of diplomacy.                                                                                              
7:16:26 PM                                                                                                                    
TERESA  SAVEL, SELF,  PALMER (via  teleconference), spoke  in                                                                   
support  of HB 2001.  She supported  education including  the                                                                   
University  and  other  educational  formats.  She  spoke  in                                                                   
favor  of the  Alaska  Performance Scholarship  program.  She                                                                   
mentioned  several  different  programs that  she  supported.                                                                   
She  thanked  some of  the  members  of the  legislature  for                                                                   
their communications.                                                                                                           
7:18:41 PM                                                                                                                    
BRENDAN CARPENTER,  SELF,  MAT-SU  LIO, spoke  in  opposition                                                                   
to HB 2001.  He urged members  to come together to  work on a                                                                   
solution. He  loved Alaska. He  asserted that  government had                                                                   
not been  a guiding  force. He  thought the session  location                                                                   
in  Juneau  was  too far  away.  He  talked  about  Alaskans'                                                                   
breakdown of trust  in the legislature. He  stressed the need                                                                   
for legislators to work together.                                                                                               
7:23:16 PM                                                                                                                    
KRISTEN NILSSON,  SELF, MAT-SU  LIO, spoke  in support  of HB
2001 and  the Medicaid  Adult Dental  Program. She  supported                                                                   
education and the  elders. She reported having  discussed how                                                                   
the  most  vulnerable  Alaskans were  being  threatened.  She                                                                   
reiterated support for the committee substitute.                                                                                
7:26:18 PM                                                                                                                    
BARBARA  WILLIAMS,  ADATWC  FAMILIES,  MAT-SU LIO,  spoke  in                                                                   
support  of a  full PFD  and a  balanced  budget. She  shared                                                                   
that  she  worked  as  a  disabilities  advocate  and  helped                                                                   
people  with   worker's  compensation.   She  detailed   that                                                                   
families needed  their PFDs. She  spoke to the  importance of                                                                   
balancing the budget.  She shared that people  working at the                                                                   
Alaska Psychiatric  Institute (API) had been  treated poorly.                                                                   
She  detailed that  some of  the workers  had been  assaulted                                                                   
ten times  - she  believed the  state was treating  criminals                                                                   
better than the  workers. She stressed the need  to do better                                                                   
by  providing  people  with  services   and  treatments  they                                                                   
needed.  She  elaborated   on  the  situation   at  API.  She                                                                   
believed there were many places the state could cut costs.                                                                      
7:29:17 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHN BARTON, SELF,  MAT-SU  LIO, believed it was  obvious the                                                                   
state  was in  a  crisis and  there  was a  division  between                                                                   
people.  He  suggested  considering  how  to  run  the  state                                                                   
differently.  He recommended  listening  to  public input  on                                                                   
how to make  more efficient use of the state's  resources. He                                                                   
stressed  that  the  state  was  woefully  dependent  on  its                                                                   
limited oil  resources. He thought  it was important  for the                                                                   
legislature  to redesign  the system  and find  ways to  work                                                                   
together.  He  supported  limiting the  ability  for  special                                                                   
interest groups to be involved in campaigns.                                                                                    
7:31:49 PM                                                                                                                    
GEORGIANA  GOOCH, SELF,  MAT-SU LIO,  favored the  governor's                                                                   
vetoes. She provided  her personal experience  around working                                                                   
for  the   federal  government   and   the  waste  that   she                                                                   
witnessed.  She did not  want to  see Alaskans leave  because                                                                   
of  a bankrupt  state. She  did not  spend what  she did  not                                                                   
have. She  advised the state to  walk away when it  could not                                                                   
afford things. She  supported a full PFD. She  reiterated her                                                                   
support for the governor's vetoes and a full PFD.                                                                               
7:35:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SHARON HEIN, SELF,  MAT-SU  LIO, testified  in support  of HB
2001.  She  spoke  in  favor  of  the  original  budget  that                                                                   
reflected a  compromise. She detailed  that it  hurt everyone                                                                   
slightly  and  did  not  target  specific  groups  more  than                                                                   
others.  However,  she recognized  long-term  solutions  were                                                                   
needed. She recalled  numerous oil regimes in  the state. She                                                                   
stated  that the  oil industry  had written  the current  tax                                                                   
plan, which  she did not  believe was  to the benefit  of the                                                                   
state.  She  thought  the  people  who  had  put  together  a                                                                   
workable budget could develop a workable tax plan.                                                                              
7:38:32 PM                                                                                                                    
JESSE SUMNER,  SELF, MAT-SU  LIO, spoke  in opposition  to HB
2001. Although  he did  not doubt that  many of  the programs                                                                   
were  beneficial, he  thought  the legislature  should do  an                                                                   
experiment.   He  suggested   distributing   the  money   for                                                                   
programs directly  to the people  and charging  for services.                                                                   
He wondered if  people would remit the money back  to pay for                                                                   
services. He  proposed that the  people might not  be getting                                                                   
the best  value for  their money.  He thought several  people                                                                   
would leave.                                                                                                                    
7:40:21 PM                                                                                                                    
MICHAEL  TRIDWELL, SELF,  MAT-SU LIO,  shared that  he was  a                                                                   
Vietnam veteran  and had been  treated poorly  by politicians                                                                   
for years.  He shared  that he  had lost  his senior  benefit                                                                   
and  his  grocery  budget had  severely  declined.  He  would                                                                   
rather see the  monthly Senior Benefits Program  survive than                                                                   
the PFD.                                                                                                                        
Co-Chair Foster  clarified that money  had been put  into the                                                                   
budget  for  senior benefits,  but  it  had been  vetoed.  He                                                                   
shared that the  legislature was trying to  restore funds for                                                                   
the program.                                                                                                                    
Mr.  Tridwell  understood.  He   shared  that  the  news  had                                                                   
reported that  the program  would be cut.  He had  received a                                                                   
letter stating  that he  would receive  the benefits  and had                                                                   
not yet heard otherwise from the state.                                                                                         
Co-Chair  Foster relayed  the legislature  had been  notified                                                                   
the administration  had a shortfall  and the  legislature had                                                                   
allocated more  money to cover  the amount prior to  the year                                                                   
ending June  30. He  shared that  he had  talked to  some cab                                                                   
drivers  in Nome  on  July  1 who  had  taken people  to  the                                                                   
credit  union to  get their  checks  and they  had found  out                                                                   
then  [that  they   did  not  receive  their   benefits].  He                                                                   
understood what  Mr. Tridwell was saying about  not receiving                                                                   
any notice.                                                                                                                     
Mr. Tridwell  reported that  he was okay  with the  PFD being                                                                   
reduced.  He used  the  funds  to fill  his  freezer and  put                                                                   
tires on  his car for  the winter, but  he would  survive the                                                                   
7:43:09 PM                                                                                                                    
BILL  PRICE, SELF,  WASILLA (via  teleconference),  testified                                                                   
in  opposition  to  HB  2001.   He  reported  that  the  cuts                                                                   
resulted in  an overall  reduction of  6 percent.  He thought                                                                   
the  impacts  were  overstated.  He noted  that  Alaska  paid                                                                   
twice  the   national  average  per  student.   He  suggested                                                                   
combining  the  universities  with only  one  chancellor.  He                                                                   
thought  the university  system  was failing.  He pointed  to                                                                   
the  administrator   who  had  large  salaries.   He  thought                                                                   
efficiencies  could be made.  He thought  too many  people in                                                                   
the  state  appealed  to  the   emotional  reactions  to  the                                                                   
governor's  vetoes. He  continued to speak  to his  objection                                                                   
to the proposed legislation.                                                                                                    
7:47:41 PM                                                                                                                    
Representative  Josephson thought  Mr.  Price was  inaccurate                                                                   
in  his statement  that  the cuts  were  only  6 percent.  He                                                                   
explained  that the  money  had been  moved  into an  account                                                                   
that the legislature  could no longer access.  He referred to                                                                   
an  article in  the Anchorage  Daily News  regarding cuts  to                                                                   
AMHS. He continued to provide clarifying remarks.                                                                               
Mr. Price asked  if there were not three  administrators that                                                                   
were  paid  an  exurbanite  amount.   He  remarked  that  the                                                                   
legislature had  all session to  look at alternative  answers                                                                   
to  the state's  fiscal  crisis.  He  continued to  make  his                                                                   
7:51:59 PM                                                                                                                    
KATHLEEN   GRACE,  SELF,   ANCHORAGE  (via   teleconference),                                                                   
supported  HB  2001  and  an income  tax.  She  funded  three                                                                   
scholarships  at  UAA. She  argued  that everyone  needed  to                                                                   
give  a little  bit  more. She  thought  Alaskans should  not                                                                   
expect a PFD - it was a gift.                                                                                                   
7:54:12 PM                                                                                                                    
BILL  LAWRENCE, SELF,  DELTA JUNCTION  (via  teleconference),                                                                   
spoke  in  opposition  of  HB   2001.  He  supported  a  full                                                                   
statutory   PFD,  whatever   the   amount.   He  wanted   the                                                                   
legislature  to abide  by the  law. He thought  it was  noble                                                                   
for  legislators   to  want  to  support  programs,   but  he                                                                   
wondered  if  the  state  could   support  them.  He  thought                                                                   
legislators should  follow the call  of the governor.  He did                                                                   
not like  all of the reductions.  However, he wanted  the law                                                                   
followed.  He  mentioned  that this  father-in-law  lost  his                                                                   
senior benefits.                                                                                                                
7:57:51 PM                                                                                                                    
LYNX  MULLEN, SELF,  MAT-SU LIO,  testified in  favor of  the                                                                   
bill.  She  stressed that  the  budget  vetoes hit  the  most                                                                   
vulnerable  Alaskans.  She  opposed many  of  the  governor's                                                                   
reductions.  She  understood the  importance  of  the PFD  in                                                                   
rural  Alaska.  She asked  for  a  full  PFD. She  asked  the                                                                   
legislature to cut  oil tax credits. She opposed  cuts to the                                                                   
AMHS  and  to the  Senior  Benefits  program.  She  supported                                                                   
reasonable cuts to the budget a consumption tax.                                                                                
7:59:11 PM                                                                                                                    
BECKY STOPPE,  SELF, MAT-SU LIO,  testified in support  of HB
2001.  She supported  the Senior  Benefits  program. She  had                                                                   
previously  worked at the  local Senior  Citizen Center.  She                                                                   
recalled   that   the   number  one   thing   requested   was                                                                   
supplemental nutrition.  The Senior Benefits  program allowed                                                                   
for  food  and  medication.  She  urged  the  legislature  to                                                                   
protect the most vulnerable and to support HB 2001.                                                                             
8:02:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SARA SAXTON,  SELF MAT-SU LIO,  thought the vetoes  reflected                                                                   
extreme cuts  that would devastate  the state. She  worked in                                                                   
the  education  field  and  would  see  the  impacts  of  the                                                                   
reductions will start  to show up. She thought  the work done                                                                   
on  the supplemental  budget was  very  good. She  understood                                                                   
the  budget  needed  to  be  controlled,   but  the  proposed                                                                   
reductions  by  the  governor   were  unreasonable.  She  was                                                                   
amenable to a more moderate PFD in lieu of losing programs.                                                                     
8:04:46 PM                                                                                                                    
JEFFERY  KNAUF,  SELF,  MAT-SU  LIO,  spoke  of  having  $186                                                                   
million of  revenue he had  been trying  to get to  the state                                                                   
since  2014  on   a  project  that  was   already  permitted.                                                                   
Unfortunately,  he had  some large  structural problems  that                                                                   
he could  address at another time.  He did not  expect fellow                                                                   
Alaskans to  go without. He thought  $186 million would  go a                                                                   
long way to  helping out in the current discussion.  He spoke                                                                   
of changes  in 2014. He thought  it was important  to realize                                                                   
that there  were new  revenues  waiting to  get into the  cue                                                                   
for projects  already  fund that  the state  did not have  to                                                                   
contribute to.  He wanted the  state to start  collecting the                                                                   
$186 million.  He also asked  that the legislature  help with                                                                   
some  regulatory  framework. He  continued  to  talk about  a                                                                   
project  without  mentioning  the  name of  the  project.  He                                                                   
talked about maintaining  certain values and  innovations. He                                                                   
invited legislators to participate more.                                                                                        
8:11:11 PM                                                                                                                    
GINI KING-TAYLOR,  SELF, MAT-SU LIO, testified  in support of                                                                   
HB  2001.  She  spoke  about  supporting  the  homeless.  She                                                                   
talked about non-profits  being able to assist  the homeless.                                                                   
She relayed  that 80 percent  of the reductions  impacted the                                                                   
homeless. She  spoke of the  challenges that  were reflective                                                                   
of the governor's veto.                                                                                                         
8:14:58 PM                                                                                                                    
STEPHANIE  MOWERS,  SELF,  MAT-SU  LIO,  was  concerned  with                                                                   
revenues.  She supported overturning  the governor's  vetoes.                                                                   
She  did not  think  it  made sense  to  cut money  that  was                                                                   
bringing in  more money  to the state.  She opposed  the cuts                                                                   
to the  Alaska Court System.  She had heard  much frustration                                                                   
with  the  education  system.   She  did  not  think  cutting                                                                   
education  and starting  from the  ground up  would make  the                                                                   
problems  go away.  She mentioned  other  programs that  were                                                                   
being cut.                                                                                                                      
8:18:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CATHERINE   HATCH,   SELF,   JUNEAU   (via   teleconference),                                                                   
strongly  supported  HB 2001.  She  was very  concerned  with                                                                   
devastating  the   state.  She  thought   the  administration                                                                   
position was  out alignment  of the  people. She provided  an                                                                   
example of Alaskans coming together.                                                                                            
8:21:31 PM                                                                                                                    
ERIKA   AMMANN,   SELF,   ANCHORAGE   (via   teleconference),                                                                   
testified  in support of  HB 2001.  She did  not need  a full                                                                   
PFD;  she   would  rather   have  government  services.   She                                                                   
advocated that the veto monies be restored.                                                                                     
8:23:15 PM                                                                                                                    
MELANIE  KEENAN, SELF,  WASILLA (via  teleconference),  was a                                                                   
30-year  resident  and worked  as  an  art teacher  at  Birch                                                                   
Elementary Charter  School. She spoke  of the effects  of the                                                                   
budget reductions  including  the loss  of the music  program                                                                   
at the school.  She did not  want to sacrifice the  future of                                                                   
the children  of Alaska. She  mentioned several  programs she                                                                   
supported. She supported a seasonal sales tax.                                                                                  
8:25:41 PM                                                                                                                    
LAUREN CARLTON,  SELF, ANCHORAGE (via teleconference),  noted                                                                   
the division in  the state. She mentioned that  the amount of                                                                   
the  dividend  had  varied  significantly.  She  had  been  a                                                                   
licensed merchant  marine in her past. She  mentioned Crowley                                                                   
Maritime.  She worked  for the  state ferry  system. She  was                                                                   
willing to sacrifice  a portion of her PFD. She  had not seen                                                                   
action on  creating a  fund like  Norway's. She talked  about                                                                   
being  on disability,  as she  suffered from  a rare form  of                                                                   
arthritis.  She thought  the Permanent  Fund should be  drawn                                                                   
from. She  did not support  the large University  System with                                                                   
three colleges.                                                                                                                 
8:30:41 PM                                                                                                                    
DONNA  GOLDSMITH,   SELF,  ANCHORAGE  (via   teleconference),                                                                   
strongly supported  HB 2001. She had lived in  Alaska for the                                                                   
previous 20  years. She was  an attorney that  served several                                                                   
victims in different  areas of rural Alaska.  She thought the                                                                   
cuts  disproportionately  affected  the poor  and  vulnerable                                                                   
Alaskans.  She  suggested  that  all  it took  was  one  high                                                                   
medical bill to  push someone into homelessness.  She told of                                                                   
a friend  she lent money  to pay a  bill. She spoke  of other                                                                   
adverse effects  of the governor's vetoes. She  asked members                                                                   
to protect the vulnerable.                                                                                                      
8:34:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CYNTHIA   FARRENS,   SELF,  WASILLA   (via   teleconference),                                                                   
supported HB 2001  to restore funding for the  many essential                                                                   
services  the  state  needed.  She  listed  several  programs                                                                   
which she favored.  She appreciated the  committee's scrutiny                                                                   
already given in  the budget process. She  believed essential                                                                   
services  should come  before  a PFD  payout.  She hoped  the                                                                   
legislature would find significant support for the bill.                                                                        
8:36:49 PM                                                                                                                    
WILLIAM AUBE,  SELF, PALMER (via teleconference),  favored HB
2001.  He spoke  of attending  the University  of Alaska.  He                                                                   
noted the benefits  of getting a higher education  degree. He                                                                   
thought   several   private  sector   businesses   would   be                                                                   
negatively affected.  He was willing to pay taxes  or to give                                                                   
up  his PFD.  He thought  it  had been  a  disservice to  the                                                                   
state  to eliminate  the  state income  tax.  He supported  a                                                                   
sales  tax. He  appreciated the  work of  the legislature  to                                                                   
overturn the governor's vetoes.                                                                                                 
8:39:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CAROL   RYAN-AUBE,   SELF,   PALMER   (via   teleconference),                                                                   
testified in support  of HB 2001. She noted that  it took her                                                                   
several years to  earn he degree at the University  of Alaska                                                                   
Anchorage. She was  a retired teacher from  the Palmer School                                                                   
District,  and she  had  180 students  in  one semester.  She                                                                   
asked  that the  legislature not  strip education  especially                                                                   
the  university  system.  She  asserted  that  something  was                                                                   
seriously  wrong with  the cuts.  She  stressed that  members                                                                   
should fully find the budget.                                                                                                   
8:42:09 PM                                                                                                                    
RUSSEL   SAMPSON,   SELF,   WASILLA   (via   teleconference),                                                                   
testified in support  of HB 2001. She asked  members to think                                                                   
of  their  moms. He  mother  had  been  sick  and had  to  be                                                                   
basically  put  down  like  a dog.  She  had  had  difficulty                                                                   
receiving  services  because  of  a lack  of  insurance.  She                                                                   
continued  to speak about  her personal  experience  with her                                                                   
mother  dying.  She  asserted  that  the  Valley  legislators                                                                   
would have blood on their hands.                                                                                                
8:45:05 PM                                                                                                                    
EMILY   FERRY,  SELF,   JUNEAU   (via  teleconference),   She                                                                   
supported  HB 2001.  She  shared  that she  was  a mother  of                                                                   
three kids.  She believed that  citizens of the  state should                                                                   
contribute  in  the form  of  an  income  tax. She  spoke  of                                                                   
several  mega  projects  that  failed. She  thought  that  if                                                                   
people  were contributing  to  state government  more  people                                                                   
would involve themselves  in state spending. she  objected to                                                                   
the cuts to the Head Start Program.                                                                                             
8:46:52 PM                                                                                                                    
MICHELLE   JETT,   SELF,  ANCHORAGE   (via   teleconference),                                                                   
strongly opposed  HB 2001 and fully supported  the governor's                                                                   
vetoes. She  did not  support taking  away people's  PFD. She                                                                   
continued to  provide testimony  about recovery  efforts. She                                                                   
spoke  of hurting  the local  economy and  the court  system.                                                                   
She disagreed with  the legislation. She mentioned  a "spend-                                                                   
down"  mentality. She  started  her own  business because  of                                                                   
the   rampant   spend-down  mentality.   She   urged   fiscal                                                                   
responsibility and diversification.                                                                                             
8:51:24 PM                                                                                                                    
RON BERNIER, SELF,  MEADOW LAKES (via teleconference),  spoke                                                                   
in opposition  of HB 2001.  He supported  a full PFD.  He had                                                                   
nine children. He  thought it was greedy to  take from future                                                                   
generations. He  claimed that the education cost  of Alaska's                                                                   
education  system was three  times the  national average.  He                                                                   
advocated   using   Pick.Click.Give.   to   donate   to   the                                                                   
University system.                                                                                                              
8:53:51 PM                                                                                                                    
JAMES  SQUYRES,  SELF, RURAL  DELTANA  (via  teleconference),                                                                   
testified in  opposition to  HB 2001. He  was opposed  to the                                                                   
committee's   tactics   not  adhering   to   the   governor's                                                                   
proclamation.  He supported a  full PFD.  He noted  a comment                                                                   
made previously by Representative Josephson.                                                                                    
8:55:42 PM                                                                                                                    
BURT  HOUGHTALING,  SELF,  MAT-SU LIO,  thanked  members  for                                                                   
coming  to  Wasilla  to hear  testimony.  He  indicated  that                                                                   
legislators  were legally bound  to meet  in Wasilla.  He was                                                                   
unwilling to give  up a portion of his PFD  for someone else,                                                                   
particularly  someone that  did not  have a  job. He  thought                                                                   
the  legislature was  a law-breaking  body.  He continued  to                                                                   
provide his testimony regarding the special session.                                                                            
Co-Chair   Foster  mentioned   that  written  testimony   was                                                                   
welcome.  He relayed  that public  testimony  would be  heard                                                                   
from  2:00   PM  to  7:00  pm   on  the  following   day  and                                                                   
legislators would be in Fairbanks.                                                                                              

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB2001 Public Testimony July 16th.pdf HFIN 7/16/2019 2:00:00 PM
HB 2001 Matsu LIO written testimony.pdf HFIN 7/16/2019 2:00:00 PM