Legislature(2011 - 2012)CAPITOL 106

04/02/2012 08:00 AM EDUCATION


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08:03:19 AM Start
08:03:43 AM Presentation: Mat-su Borough School District
08:33:23 AM SB170
08:34:13 AM HB352
09:47:33 AM HB369
10:03:49 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Presentation by Superintendent, Mat-Su School TELECONFERENCED
District Graduation Results
+ Confirmation Hearing: TELECONFERENCED
University of Alaska Board of Regents
<Conf. Hearing Postponed to 4/4/12>
*+ HB 369 STUDENT PARTICIPATION IN SPORTS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= SB 170 VOCATIONAL ED. COUNSELING IN SCHOOLS TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 352 RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT CURRICULUM TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 352(EDC) Out of Committee
             HB 352-RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT CURRICULUM                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:34:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  announced that  the next order  of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 352, "An  Act relating to public school curriculum                                                               
and   textbook   restrictions    based   on   science,   resource                                                               
development, and sustained yield principles."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:34:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT  moved  to adopt  the  proposed  committee                                                               
substitute  (CS)  for  HB   352,  labeled  27-LS1409\M,  Mischel,                                                               
3/30/12, as the working document.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:34:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANNETTE KREITZER,  Staff, Representative Alan Dick,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, provided  an explanation  of the  proposed committee                                                               
substitute (CS)  for HB 352, Version  M.  She explained  that the                                                               
statute  being  amended  is entitled  "environmental  education."                                                               
She outlined  the changes in  the proposed  committee substitute.                                                               
She stated  that discussions of  language on  page 1, line  6, of                                                               
the  original bill  included  considering  basing the  curriculum                                                               
development  and  textbook   selection  on  these  constitutional                                                               
principles.   She referred to page  1 of Version M  and indicated                                                               
that  "and   textbook  selection"  has  been   removed  from  the                                                               
aforementioned language and from the title.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KREITZER   said  discussions   about  including   a  similar                                                               
requirement for the  University of Alaska (UA)  were held, noting                                                               
the legislature delegated a lot of  its authority to the Board of                                                               
Regents (BOR).  She indicated  this language appears in the BOR's                                                               
powers and duties  and responsibilities on page 2,  lines 9-19 of                                                               
Version M,  which essentially  parallels the  language on  page 1                                                               
for public schools.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:36:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON removed his objection.  There being no                                                                    
further objection, Version M was before the committee.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:36:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK opened public testimony.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:37:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRED PARADY, Executive Director, Alaska Miners Association                                                                      
(AMA), paraphrasing from a prepared statement, which read as                                                                    
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     The   Alaska  Miners   Association   is  a   non-profit                                                                    
     membership   organization   established  in   1939   to                                                                    
     represent the mining industry in  Alaska, making us one                                                                    
     of the  oldest trade  associations in  the state.   The                                                                    
     AMA  is   comprised  of  more  than   1,400  individual                                                                    
     prospectors,   geologists   and   engineers,   vendors,                                                                    
     suction  dredge  miners,  small  family  mines,  junior                                                                    
     mining  companies, and  major  mining  companies.   Our                                                                    
     members look  for and  produce gold,  silver, platinum,                                                                    
     diamonds,  lead, zinc,  copper,  coa1, limestone,  sand                                                                    
     and  gravel,  crushed  stone,  armor  rock,  and  other                                                                    
     materials.  Our members  live and  work throughout  the                                                                    
     state.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Let's  turn to  the bill  before you,  HB352, which  is                                                                    
     relates  to  public   school  curriculum  and  textbook                                                                    
     restrictions  based on  science, resource  development,                                                                    
     and sustained yield principles.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. PARADY stated it is really straightforward and                                                                              
continued reading, as follows [original punctuation                                                                             
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska State Constitution Section 2. General Authority                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     "The  legislature shall  provide  for the  utilization,                                                                    
     development, and conservation  of all natural resources                                                                    
     belonging to the State, including  land and waters, for                                                                    
     the maximum benefit of its people".                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     More than  most other states, Alaska  has educators who                                                                    
     come  from various  backgrounds who  may be  unfamiliar                                                                    
     with   Alaska's  constitutional   directives  regarding                                                                    
     State resources.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. PARADY stated  he has served for the past  four years as                                                                    
the  chief  operating officer  of  the  North Slope  Borough                                                                    
School  District (NSBSD);  however, he  is not  representing                                                                    
them today.  He pointed out  that the turnover among the 172                                                                    
teachers  and   hiring  from  out-of-state  job   fairs  was                                                                    
intense.  More  than other states, Alaska  has educators who                                                                    
come from  various backgrounds and places  so many educators                                                                    
may be unfamiliar with Alaska's  constitution.  He continued                                                                    
reading  his   prepared  statement,  as   follows  [original                                                                    
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The purpose of  this bill is to clearly  state that the                                                                    
     curriculum in local schools supports  the intent of the                                                                    
     Constitution.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Educational   materials  must   give   parity  to   the                                                                    
     viewpoint   of  use   and   development   as  well   as                                                                    
     conservation  of all  natural  resources.   Educational                                                                    
     materials  should  recognize  that the  economic  well-                                                                    
     being of  the State is totally  dependent upon careful,                                                                    
     sustainable resource development.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The  Alaska  Miners  Association  firmly  supports  the                                                                    
     sponsors efforts  to bring balance  to the  teaching of                                                                    
     natural  resource issues  in  the  context of  Alaska's                                                                    
     founding fathers and our constitution.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:40:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHELLE BRUNNER, Executive Director, Alaska Resource Education                                                                 
(ARE), paraphrasing from a prepared statement, which read as                                                                    
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     I'm  here to  testify  today with  regards  to HB  352.                                                                    
     Alaska  Resource  Education   (formerly  AMEREF)  is  a                                                                    
     partnership between  the State of Alaska  Department of                                                                    
     Education and  private industry.   We  are a nonprofit                                                                     
     organization  that focuses  on  educating students  and                                                                    
     teachers  about Alaska's  natural  resources using  our                                                                    
     Alaska  Resource  Kit  and   Curriculum.    The  Alaska                                                                    
     Resource  Kit   contains  a   standardsbased,   science                                                                    
     focused    interdisciplinary    set   of    curriculum,                                                                    
     activities,  and   support  materials   providing  K12                                                                     
     students  with  information   about  Alaska's  mineral,                                                                    
     energy, oil  & gas, and  forest resources.   We deliver                                                                    
     our curriculum  to educators through  our "Rock  & Roll                                                                    
     around Alaska"  course   a 500  level, 1  credit course                                                                    
     offered  through  the  University   system.    We  also                                                                    
     educate  students through  our Minor  Miner and  Energy                                                                    
     Einstein programs. Our kit materials include:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     A  40 sample  Alaska  rocks and  minerals set  complete                                                                    
     with oil  and gold, DVD's, cd's,  posters, maps, books,                                                                    
     a  Sitka  spruce  crosssection  and  other  educational                                                                    
     materials on Alaska's resources.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     In the last  3 years we have had 333  teachers take our                                                                    
     Rock  & Roll  around Alaska  course, we've  distributed                                                                    
     640  Alaska Resource  Kits to  school districts  across                                                                    
     Alaska,   our  education   director  has   visited  116                                                                    
     classrooms and  172 students  have participated  in our                                                                    
     Minor Miner and Energy  Einstein programs statewide.  I                                                                    
     would    invite    you    to    visit    our    website                                                                    
     www.akresource.org  to  see   firsthand  a  video  from                                                                    
     students about "what minerals mean to me".                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:42:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BRUNNER continued to read from a prepared statement, as                                                                     
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     We are  interested in this  legislation because  ARE is                                                                    
     consistently  providing resource  education on  a daily                                                                    
     basis  throughout  Alaska.     The  strength  of  ARE's                                                                    
     program  is  that  it  is  a  partnership  between  the                                                                    
     private  and public  sectors.   Our  experience in  the                                                                    
     classroom is  that our educational system  is saturated                                                                    
     with  environmental  and  conservation  education  that                                                                    
     does  not  follow Alaska's  constitutional  principles.                                                                    
     The idea  of HB352  would assist  in adding  balance to                                                                    
     the  classroom and  to  Alaska's  future employees  and                                                                    
     policymakers.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     With regard  to HB352,  our board has  not had  time to                                                                    
     review  the  legislation  and has  not  taken  official                                                                    
     action  specifically regarding  HB352, but  the overall                                                                    
     concept I believe ARE would  support.  We would suggest                                                                    
     that as you think about  how to provide a science based                                                                    
     curriculum based on  Alaska's constitutional principles                                                                    
     that  you consider  utilization of  existing curriculum                                                                    
     that meets this criteria.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:43:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARLEANNA HALL, Projects Coordinator, Resource Development                                                                      
Council, paraphrasing from a prepared statement, which read as                                                                  
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     In brief, RDC is  a statewide business association with                                                                    
     members  in forestry,  oil  and  gas, mining,  tourism,                                                                    
     fishing, all 12 Native  regional corporations, and many                                                                    
     others.  Our   mission  is   to  grow   Alaska  through                                                                    
     responsible resource development.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     First,   thank   you   to   Representative   Dick   for                                                                    
     introducing  HB   352  -  an  Act   regarding  Resource                                                                    
     Development Curriculum in Alaska's schools.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     RDC  recognizes   Section  8.1  of  the   Alaska  State                                                                    
     Constitution, reading,  "It is the policy  of the State                                                                    
     to  encourage  the  settlement  of  its  land  and  the                                                                    
     development of  its resources by making  them available                                                                    
     for maximum use consistent with the public interest."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     RDC  supports programs  educating students  on Alaska's                                                                    
     natural resources, and  specifically on the responsible                                                                    
     development of our resources. It  is a policy of RDC to                                                                    
     support programs, including  Alaska Resource Education,                                                                    
     to  educate   students  and   the  general   public  on                                                                    
     responsible resource development activities in Alaska.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     8:44:35 AM                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. HALL continued to read from her prepared statement,                                                                         
which read, as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     You've already heard about ARE  this morning, so I will                                                                    
     not  repeat  details  about their  mission  to  educate                                                                    
     students about Alaska's natural resources.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The  State  of  Alaska partners  with  Alaska  Resource                                                                    
     Education, formerly AMEREF, which  is an education non-                                                                    
     profit  whose  mission  is to  educate  students  about                                                                    
     Alaska's  natural  resources.    ARE  offers  educators                                                                    
     across  the state  Resource  Education Kits  containing                                                                    
     nearly  $300   worth  of  materials  to   help  provide                                                                    
     students and  teachers with balanced  information about                                                                    
     Alaska's rich  heritage of mineral, energy,  and forest                                                                    
     resources.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     These  non-biased kits  have been  accepted  by all  53                                                                    
     school  districts,  and are  available  at  no cost  to                                                                    
     teachers.  In addition,  a  free  training is  offered,                                                                    
     when available, so that teachers  are able to correctly                                                                    
     utilize the materials in the kits.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     I would  like to  note, it  is somewhat  appalling that                                                                    
     incorporating  resource development  in the  curriculum                                                                    
     isn't   mandated  while   conservation  education   is.                                                                    
     Alaska's education curriculum  should include educating                                                                    
     our  students   on  activities   related  to   and  the                                                                    
     responsible  development  of   our  natural  resources.                                                                    
     Future generations of Alaskans  should have access to a                                                                    
     firm foundation  of our constitutional  principals that                                                                    
     guide  our state,  including multiple-use  of resources                                                                    
     and land  along side conservation education.  Thank you                                                                    
     again   Representative   Dick  for   recognizing   this                                                                    
     shortcoming in  Alaska's curriculum, and  for proposing                                                                    
     HB  352,  which  will  help  provide  more  balance  in                                                                    
     educational  curriculum  in   our  public  schools.  In                                                                    
     addition  to  my  comments today,  RDC  will  submit  a                                                                    
     formal letter of support.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:45:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  referred page  2, line  18, of  Version M,                                                               
and read,  "(B) scientific principles,  without bias  and without                                                           
regard  to  personal  opinion;."   She  indicated  this  language                                                           
applies to science only. but  she offered her belief the specific                                                               
language  should apply  to each  one  of these  principles.   She                                                               
related a  scenario in  which a  person with a  small share  of a                                                               
company developing a  mine would have a bias.   She surmised that                                                               
early  Alaskans developed  their own  sustained yield  principles                                                               
and did not  take more than they needed;  however, currently, the                                                               
state  has observed  "fishing out"  of whole  fishing industries,                                                               
such as crabs and other  seafood or overfishing that has resulted                                                               
in  small  halibut.    She  suggested  teachers  should  look  at                                                               
teaching  everything in  their  schools in  a  balanced and  non-                                                               
prejudiced way and these principles  should apply more broadly to                                                               
the teaching practices.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DICK agreed  it  was  something to  consider,  but he  was                                                               
unsure of how to add her concept to this bill.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI  stated that  the current section  of [AS                                                               
14.30.380]  dealing  with  education already  addresses  this  by                                                               
indicating  the   need  to   balance  resource   development  and                                                               
conservation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:49:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA  referred  to  page  2,  lines  18-19  and                                                               
suggested removing  "without bias and without  regard to personal                                                               
opinion  behind the  scientific principles."   She  remarked that                                                               
teachers should  be teaching everything without  bias and without                                                               
regard to personal opinion.   She further remarked that isolating                                                               
the  requirement  to  "scientific  principles"  alone  sounds  "a                                                               
little spooky" to her.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK pointed out that  legislature must be careful to avoid                                                               
unintended  consequences.   At the  same time  the intent  of the                                                               
bill is to  allow parity with respect to  conservation in overall                                                               
teaching concepts.   He stated that "uses"  refers to traditional                                                               
uses by  the First  Nations people  in Alaska.   In  essence, the                                                               
intent of the bill was not  intended to micromanage, but to speak                                                               
to the larger picture.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI  reiterated that  the current  section of                                                               
[AS  14.30.380]   pertaining  to  education  addresses   this  by                                                               
indicating  the   need  to   balance  resource   development  and                                                               
conservation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:52:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JANICE  DAW, asked  to point  out overlap  between HB  352 and  a                                                               
CAPSIS  proposal   currently  being  discussed  in   the  finance                                                               
committee  on  Alaska's  learning  adaptation  production  as  it                                                               
relates to the state constitution.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  restated that  the focus  of the  bill is  to achieve                                                               
parity in  curriculum taught in schools  that reflects [Alaska's]                                                               
Constitution.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAW agreed  that she favored integrated  curriculum that uses                                                               
the  framework  of  the  Alaska Constitution  -  Article  8  that                                                               
defines  sustained  yield  natural resource  management  for  the                                                               
purpose  of maintaining,  promoting, and  using those  resources.                                                               
She  stated that  has  been  the current  framework  used in  the                                                               
school  system for  the  last  two years.    She highlighted  the                                                               
importance of using  curriculum to teach the  biological basis of                                                               
forest  resources and  to  use a  hands-on  approach so  students                                                               
learn how to make things.   Further, students should learn how to                                                               
do  experiments so  they can  get wrapped  in as  participants in                                                               
natural  resource  management.    She  explained  how  a  project                                                               
beginning with a  tree would be presented so  students will learn                                                               
to become  stewards, noting  that first,  the tree  is harvested.                                                               
Next, students become  involved in making things out  of the tree                                                               
and  learn  how  to  sell  the  products  at  market.    Finally,                                                               
discussions  are  held  on the  sustained  yield  principles  and                                                               
sustainable forest management.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK indicated that he  is becoming familiar with her work,                                                               
which is directly in line with the bill's concept.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAW offered  to provide further information  to the committee                                                               
on the current CAPSIS project.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK offered to distribute materials to committee members.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:56:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DICK,  after  first  determining no  one  else  wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony on HB 352.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:57:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON expressed  concern with the bill.   He said                                                               
he  has  not  received  any   comments  from  his  district  that                                                               
environmental   education  should   be  drastically   changed  or                                                               
limited.  He referred to current AS 14.30.380, which read:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The  board   shall  encourage  each  school   board  to                                                                    
     initiate  and   conduct  a  program   of  environmental                                                                    
     education  for  kindergarten   through  grade  12.  The                                                                    
     program  should   include,  but  is  not   limited  to,                                                                    
     education  regarding  the   need  to  balance  resource                                                                    
     development   with    environmental   safeguards,   the                                                                    
     dependence of  the state  on resource  development, and                                                                    
     the   opportunity  for   pollution  prevention,   waste                                                                    
     reduction, and recycling. A  school board may implement                                                                    
     environmental education as a  part of regular classroom                                                                    
     studies.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   emphasized  that  the   current  statute                                                               
requires  balance   in  teaching   and  must   consider  resource                                                               
development in all aspects  including pollution prevention, waste                                                               
reduction and recycling.  He  expressed concern that HB 352 would                                                               
modify this language to indicate  that in developing a curriculum                                                               
a school district  shall base its curriculum on  - indicating his                                                               
concern is focused on (1)(B)  - the principle of "utilization and                                                               
development  of   all  nonrenewable  resources  in   addition  to                                                               
encouragement of balancing  resource development and conservation                                                               
...."  He  emphasized this is his biggest concern  since it would                                                               
represent  a  total   shift.    The  change   would  require  the                                                               
curriculum,  as  developed,  to   be  based  on  utilization  and                                                               
development  of  all  nonrenewable  resources.   He  related  his                                                               
understanding that  resource development  of minerals  and timber                                                               
raises resource development  issues, but much of  what happens in                                                               
environmental  education is  to  consider what  is important  and                                                               
happening in today's world.  He  pointed out five students at the                                                               
Homer  High  school  developed  a  program  for  waste  reduction                                                               
including  recyclables.    These  students  were  given  national                                                               
recognition  for  developing waste  reduction.    He provided  an                                                               
anecdote  noting one  Southeast legislator  encourages paper  use                                                               
since  it supports  timber production  in Southeast  Alaska.   He                                                               
pointed  out that  the language  in subparagraph  (B) relates  to                                                               
utilization and  development of all  nonrenewable resources.   He                                                               
recalled a previous presentation by  the community of St. Mary's,                                                               
in  which the  environmental curriculum  was based  on the  local                                                               
usage of moose  hunting, fishing, Beluga whale  hunting, and seal                                                               
hunting.    He envisioned  a  mine  proposed at  the  headwaters.                                                               
Under the bill,  the curriculum would be required to  be based on                                                               
the utilization and development of all nonrenewable resources.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  envisioned one or two  people could oppose                                                               
the  curriculum and  point to  the aforementioned  language.   If                                                               
nonrenewable resources were  in the area, the  curriculum must be                                                               
based on  the utilization and  development of  those nonrenewable                                                               
resources.   Additionally,  classes in  his legislative  district                                                               
currently appear  to be proactive  and highly competitive  in the                                                               
areas of  resource development and  environmental education.   He                                                               
reiterated  that students  in his  district have  won awards  for                                                               
their  work in  this area.   He  emphasized that  the bill  would                                                               
change environmental  education.  Lastly, dynamic  teaching stems                                                               
from  opinion  and  this  bill may  jeopardize  teaching  in  the                                                               
classroom - whether it is  for global warming or acidification of                                                               
oceans  -  since   those  types  of  classes  may   not  base  an                                                               
environmental educational curriculum on  the development of those                                                               
resources.      He   maintained  his   concern   for   unintended                                                               
consequences of the bill.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:04:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON disagreed.   She offered her belief that                                                               
it is important to  teach to both sides of the  issue and that is                                                               
what  HB  352   stipulates.    She  surmised   that  everyone  is                                                               
interested in  conservation.   She emphasized  that understanding                                                               
resource development  and how it  dovetails with  conservation is                                                               
important.   She  expressed concern  that the  university lobbies                                                               
for funding, but at the same time  does not want the state to use                                                               
its natural  resources.  She  concluded by noting that  Alaska is                                                               
different from other states.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  agreed,  noting   that  AS  14.30.380  so                                                               
indicates; however,  this bill would require  the school district                                                               
to  base its  curriculum on  utilization and  development of  all                                                               
nonrenewable  resources  in  addition  to  encouraging  balancing                                                               
resource development  with conservation.   He concluded  that the                                                               
bill  changes  environmental  education to  resource  development                                                               
education  although  it  could  be  balanced  with  conservation.                                                               
Therefore, the  standard is changed from  environmental education                                                               
to resource development education.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:07:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE agreed  with Representative  P. Wilson,  in                                                               
that it is important to teach  both sides of every issue since to                                                               
do otherwise  does not truly  provide education.  He  pointed out                                                               
that  the  state is  concerned  about  conservation and  resource                                                               
development and  the permitting process takes  that into account.                                                               
He  suggested  that  HB  352  would  not  restrict  environmental                                                               
teaching.   He  emphasized students  must receive  instruction on                                                               
both sides of  any issue in order to receive  a better education.                                                               
In doing  so, students will be  more competent to make  their own                                                               
decisions  based  on  a  balanced  presentation  of  the  subject                                                               
matter.  He offered his support for the bill.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:08:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI declared that he  has read Article 8.  He                                                               
expressed  concern that  the existing  K-12 programs  don't teach                                                               
more  diversity.   He offered  his  belief that  this bill  would                                                               
change the  existing language.   He indicated that  currently the                                                               
language requires  a program should  include, but is  not limited                                                               
to  the need  to balance  resource development  and environmental                                                               
safeguards.  He said,  "I think it's fair.  I  think it does show                                                               
-  not  necessarily  two sides  -  but  a  lot  of gray  area  in                                                               
between."  He  highlighted that students should  graduate from K-                                                               
12,  middle  school,  and  high school  with  an  education  that                                                               
encourages  critical  thinking.    He  suggested  that  if  these                                                               
students  later hear  of a  mining  project that  they would  not                                                               
immediately support or oppose it, but  will take it one step at a                                                               
time.   He pointed out  one reason he objects  to HB 352  is that                                                               
the language tends  to weaken the constitutional  principles.  He                                                               
read  the   general  authority  under   Article  8   of  Alaska's                                                               
Constitution,   which   reads:"...    shall   provide   for   the                                                               
utilization,  development,   and  conservation  of   all  natural                                                               
resources belonging  to the State,  ...."  He offered  his belief                                                               
that  conservation  has  been  relegated   to  the  fourth  tier.                                                               
Further,  he pointed  out  that Section  4  relates to  sustained                                                               
yield, and  reads, "Fish, forests, wildlife,  grasslands, and all                                                               
other  replenishable resources  belonging to  the State  shall be                                                               
utilized,  developed,  and  maintained  on  the  sustained  yield                                                               
principle,  ...."   Finally,  the bill  changes  that wording  to                                                               
create  an  entirely  different   thought  pattern.    Certainly,                                                               
students   should   understand   the   tenets   of   the   Alaska                                                               
Constitution,  Article 8,  and think  critically,  but this  bill                                                               
falls short, he stated.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:11:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA   indicated  that   Alaska's  Constitution                                                               
begins  with  the  people  of  the state  and  this  is  why  our                                                               
government  exists.   She read  the title,  "An Act  establishing                                                               
curriculum  restrictions based  on science,  resource development                                                               
...."  However, what appears  to be missing is human development,                                                               
which is a  huge problem in Alaska.  She  said that students need                                                               
to  know  that  human  resource   development  is  important  and                                                               
understand they prosper when  resource development is intertwined                                                               
with the environment they live in.   Further, she pointed out the                                                               
reason for schools is to  show them multiple ways for development                                                               
- not  necessarily of the  natural environment  - so it  might be                                                               
development of tourism,  graphics, or writing skills.   She would                                                               
like  the  resources to  be  human,  which,  she opined,  is  the                                                               
critical component.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:13:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK agreed; however, Article  8 doesn't refer to students.                                                               
He acknowledged that students are  the primary resource, but they                                                               
are not  renewable or non-renewable  resources, which is  what is                                                               
being addressed  by the bill.   He referred to  "utilization" and                                                               
the  major component  of that  is subsistence  utilization.   The                                                               
intent  of  this bill  was  to  acknowledge the  traditional  and                                                               
contemporary  utilization  of  resources by  the  First  Nations'                                                               
people.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:15:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT  offered  his  support for  HB  352.    He                                                               
highlighted  that   the  bill  does  address   the  environmental                                                               
safeguards; however,  it is important  to hold the  discussion on                                                               
the   utilization   and   maintenance  of   our   renewable   and                                                               
nonrenewable  resources.   He offered  his belief  that the  bill                                                               
balances those  aspects.  He  emphasized that  tomorrow's leaders                                                               
must  understand the  impact of  the  renewable and  nonrenewable                                                               
resources  on  our  livelihoods,  including the  jobs  and  money                                                               
natural   resources   bring   to  the   state.      Additionally,                                                               
Representative P.  Wilson touched  on the  concept that  when "x"                                                               
takes  place  in   our  school  system  or  when   a  program  is                                                               
implemented it  must be clear.   Further, he mentioned  he serves                                                               
on the Fiscal  Policy Committee and that the  committee is trying                                                               
to determine  whether Alaskans truly  understand where  the money                                                               
in  the  state  comes  from  and   where  it  goes  to  get  that                                                               
conversation  started.   He stressed  that this  bill provides  a                                                               
fuller understanding  of how Alaska's economic  wealth originates                                                               
while   balancing   the    conservation   aspects   of   resource                                                               
development.   He pointed out  that a recent study  suggests that                                                               
most  kids  are not  focused  on  protecting the  environment  as                                                               
previous generations  have been focused  on the environment.   He                                                               
agreed conservation  should be included  in education.   Finally,                                                               
he  offered   his  support  for   HB  352  because   it  balances                                                               
conservation  and  resource  development.     He  reiterated  his                                                               
support for the bill.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:18:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   KAWASAKI  noted   the  subsistence   aspect  was                                                               
mentioned.   He  recalled that  one of  [Alaska's] constitutional                                                               
principles was  also discussed.   He asked  whether that  meant a                                                               
rural subsistence priority or preference.   He said it is written                                                               
in the  Alaska Constitution,  but is a  gray area;  however, this                                                               
committee just brought it up.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK assured  members that HB 352 has nothing  to do with a                                                               
rural  subsistence priority,  but it  has everything  to do  with                                                               
people becoming  aware of  the broad spectrum  of uses  and needs                                                               
within the state.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:18:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA  expressed  concern with  the  bill  since                                                               
human  resources is  not mentioned.   She  offered that  Alaska's                                                               
primary  wealth  has  been received  from  multi-national  global                                                               
corporations.  She pointed out  that renewable energy is an issue                                                               
and diesel  fuel is a political  issue.  She prefers  to focus on                                                               
fostering jobs  in the community, which  means energy development                                                               
in  each community.   She  emphasized  the need  to consider  the                                                               
people of the state so  they can become economically viable, just                                                               
as  the constitution  begins with  the people.   She  offered her                                                               
belief that his bill could change that by putting in a bias.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK asked whether an amendment is being offered.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:21:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA moved  to  adopt  Conceptual Amendment  1.                                                               
She  stated  that  the  title, and  throughout  the  bill  should                                                               
include human  resource; and on  page 2, line 1,  remove "without                                                               
bias and  without regard to  personal opinion."  She  referred to                                                               
page 2, line 16 to remove language ...."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT interjected  to  raise an  objection.   He                                                               
said  he  objected to  removing  scientific  principles from  the                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK asked Representative Cissna to restate her motion.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:23:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  moved to adopt Conceptual  Amendment 1, on                                                               
page 1, line 1, to read, "human and" resource development.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT maintained his objection.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAWASAKI commented  that  he  was unsure  whether                                                               
Conceptual Amendment 1 fits in this  bill.  He said he would also                                                               
probably object to it.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK commented  that he thinks it is  an excellent thought,                                                               
but this bill is not the place for it.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:24:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was  taken.  Representatives Cissna and Kawasaki                                                               
voted  in  favor  of Conceptual  Amendment  1.    Representatives                                                               
Seaton,  Feige, Pruitt,  P. Wilson,  and Dick  voted against  it.                                                               
Therefore, Conceptual Amendment 1 failed by a vote of 2-5.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:25:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA moved  to adopt  Amendment 2,  on page  2,                                                               
line 1 to remove  on page 2, line 1, to  remove "without bias and                                                               
without regard  to personal opinion"; and  on page 2, line  18 to                                                               
remove "without bias and without regard to personal opinion."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT maintained his objection.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:26:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SEATON  characterized   the  language   as  very                                                               
problematic.   He offered his  belief that nothing in  science is                                                               
without bias or personal opinion.   This language would basically                                                               
ensure  that  arguments  would ensue,  such  that  someone  would                                                               
accuse someone  else of  bias based  on science  especially since                                                               
scientists  rarely  agree.    Scientific  principles  means  data                                                               
should support  it, but he did  not think this language  would be                                                               
helpful to the discussion.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:28:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT  described personal  college  experiences.                                                               
He had  one professor who  could speak  to the arguments  for and                                                               
against an issue, and another who  could not, in fact, the latter                                                               
professor  called anyone  who  opposed  his view  an  idiot.   He                                                               
offered  his  belief  that  a person  could  speak  about  issues                                                               
without being  biased.  He  said it is  up to the  legislature to                                                               
ensure  that the  issues are  fully discussed.  Further, students                                                               
can also  develop critical thinking  to think  on their own.   He                                                               
objected  to  Amendment  2  since   the  language  "unbiased"  is                                                               
important.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:29:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DICK  highlighted  that   when  controversial  issues  are                                                               
discussed  that the  authority must  first present  one view  and                                                               
then another view without bias.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI said  at one point in time  the world was                                                               
considered flat  and bias existed  on both sides of  that debate.                                                               
He suggested that Amendment 2 is problematic.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON related his  understanding that the bill is                                                               
not about discussions in education  in the classrooms, but rather                                                               
the bill  speaks to the  development of  the curriculum.   He was                                                               
unsure how curriculum could be developed based on science alone.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE related  his understanding  that HB  352 is                                                               
about the  balanced delivery of  resource education.   He offered                                                               
his belief that  science is almost universally  accepted since it                                                               
undergoes the process  of peer review.  He emphasized  that it is                                                               
important to leave  "without bias and without  regard to personal                                                               
opinion" in  the statute to  ensure it  is more likely  that both                                                               
sides of  a particularly contentious  issue will be  delivered to                                                               
the student and to maintain a balanced education.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  reiterated  the  importance of  having                                                               
this  type of  language in  statute in  order to  guide students.                                                               
She  recalled  educators  used  to  teach  students  to  memorize                                                               
material and now teachers teach to think.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:31:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll  call vote was  taken.  Representatives Cissna  and Seaton                                                               
voted  in   favor  of  Amendment  2.     Representatives  Pruitt,                                                               
Kawasaki,  P.   Wilson,  Feige,   and  Dick  voted   against  it.                                                               
Therefore, Amendment 2 failed by a vote of 2-5.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:32:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI  moved to  adopt Conceptual  Amendment 3,                                                               
on page 1, line 9 of  Section 1 to insert "renewable" after "all"                                                               
and on  page 1, line  11 delete "and other  renewable resources".                                                               
He read subparagraph (A), which would then read:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     (A)  utilization, maintenance,  and sustained  yield of                                                                    
     all  renewable  natural   resources  belonging  to  the                                                                    
     state, including fish,  forests, wildlife, land, water;                                                                    
     and                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:33:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAWASAKI   explained  that  the  bill   is  about                                                               
teaching   a   constitutional   principle,  however,   the   bill                                                               
diminishes  the language  in Alaska's  Constitution.   Conceptual                                                               
Amendment  3  would  mirror  Article   8,  Section  4  under  the                                                               
sustained  yield  principles  and  add in  part  of  the  general                                                               
authority  granted   in  Article  8,  Section   2  under  natural                                                               
resources.    He   pointed  out  that  since   the  amendment  is                                                               
conceptual it  would also apply to  Section 2 under the  Board of                                                               
Regents' duties.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:34:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON asked whether Amendment  3 would change                                                               
[subparagraph] (A),  but not  [subparagraph] (B),  which pertains                                                               
to nonrenewable  resources.   She stated  she would  vote against                                                               
Conceptual Amendment 3.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAWASAKI responded  that he  will also  propose a                                                               
second amendment to  address subparagraph (B), so  only the order                                                               
is   being  changed.     Conceptual   Amendment  3   would  apply                                                               
specifically to  the sustained yield  principle and  the language                                                               
is   almost  identical   to  Article   8,  Section   4,  of   the                                                               
constitution; however it is a little different.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE  said he  did not see  any reason  to change                                                               
the language.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT  suggested that the point  has already been                                                               
addressed  and he,  too, did  not see  any reason  to change  the                                                               
language.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI  pointed out that Conceptual  Amendment 3                                                               
mirrors the  language in Alaska's  Constitution.  He said  if the                                                               
goal  is to  teach a  constitutional principle  and adopt  policy                                                               
that  says that  scientific and  resource development  curriculum                                                               
ought  to be  based on  the sustained  yield principle,  then the                                                               
wording should  mirror Alaska's Constitution  - which  is exactly                                                               
what Conceptual Amendment 3 does.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 9:35 a.m. to 9:36 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:36:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll  call vote was  taken.  Representatives  Cissna, Kawasaki,                                                               
and   Seaton  voted   in  favor   of   Conceptual  Amendment   3.                                                               
Representatives  Feige, Pruitt,  Wilson, and  Dick voted  against                                                               
it.  Therefore, Conceptual Amendment 3 failed by a vote of 3-4.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:37:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAWASAKI  made  a   motion  to  adopt  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 4, on  page 1, line 12, [subparagraph  (B)] would read,                                                               
"utilization,  development,  and   conservation  of  all  natural                                                               
resources;"  and   to  delete  on   line  13,  "in   addition  to                                                               
encouragement of  balancing resource development and"  so line 14                                                               
would read, "including land and  water for the maximum benefit of                                                               
its people."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAWASAKI then  clarified  Conceptual Amendment  4                                                               
subparagraph  (B),  which  read, "utilization,  development,  and                                                               
conservation of  all natural resources  including land  and water                                                               
for  the  maximum   benefit  of  its  people;"   He  stated  that                                                               
Conceptual   Amendment  4   would  also   include  a   conceptual                                                               
conforming amendment on page 2, lines 15-17.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:38:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI maintained that  the specific language of                                                               
[Alaska's]  Constitution  would  be appropriate  to  consider  as                                                               
inclusive  to the  bill.   He explained  that the  language under                                                               
Article 8, Section 2 indicates  that the state should provide for                                                               
the  utilization, development,  and conservation  of all  natural                                                               
resources - belonging  to the state was omitted  - including land                                                               
and water for  the maximum benefit of its people.   He emphasized                                                               
that it is very clearly  stated in [Alaska's] Constitution and if                                                               
the committee  is adopting a  constitutional principle  it should                                                               
follow the original language.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:38:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT  stated that  [Alaska's] Constitution  is a                                                               
guideline and the legislature writes  statutes that expand on the                                                               
constitution.  He offered his  belief that if this language needs                                                               
to  change that  AS 14.30.380  should be  changed, as  well.   He                                                               
emphasized that this  bill expands on the  basic framework, which                                                               
is  appropriate.   He stated  that Conceptual  Amendment 4  would                                                               
neuter the  language in the bill.   Finally, he urged  members to                                                               
stick with  the language in  the bill, which he  characterized as                                                               
good language.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  stressed that  Conceptual Amendment  4                                                               
would take  out the balance in  the bill.  She  acknowledged that                                                               
some areas  of [resource development]  have been done  very well,                                                               
but others have not fared so  well.  She spoke against Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 4.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:40:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   CISSNA  stated   her   support  for   Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 4,  since it comes  from [Alaska's] Constitution.   She                                                               
elaborated on  the development of  the constitution,  which looks                                                               
at all areas of the state and provides balance.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   stated  his  opposition   to  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 4.   He said  that the  bill would amend  AS 14.30.380,                                                               
which  relates to  environmental  education.   He suggested  that                                                               
going  to  utilization,  development,  and  conservation  of  all                                                               
resources may further change the entire section of statutes.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAWASAKI responded  that [Alaska's]  Constitution                                                               
is  the supreme  law  of  the land.    He  highlighted that  this                                                               
statute speaks to the constitutional  principles in this specific                                                               
curriculum.   He offered his belief  that interpreting [Alaska's]                                                               
Constitution and placing  it into general law  is not appropriate                                                               
in this context.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE  related  that  [Section  1]  contains  two                                                               
subparagraphs.  One relates to  renewable resources and the other                                                               
relates to  nonrenewable resources.   He said, "It's not  our job                                                               
to  rewrite the  constitution.   It's  our job  to translate  the                                                               
constitution into reality so I oppose the amendment."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:42:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was  taken.  Representatives Cissna and Kawasaki                                                               
voted  in  favor  of Conceptual  Amendment  4.    Representatives                                                               
Seaton,  Feige, Pruitt,  P. Wilson,  and Dick  voted against  it.                                                               
Therefore, Conceptual Amendment 4 failed by a vote of 2-5.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:43:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  suggested that  the bill title  would need                                                               
to be changed, based on the new  language proposed in the CS.  It                                                               
should be  titled, "resource development education"  because that                                                               
is what the committee has said.   The bill speaks to utilization,                                                               
maintenance, and sustained yield,  or utilization and development                                                               
of all  nonrenewable resources, which  can be balanced  with some                                                               
environmental  or conservation  principles.    He maintained  the                                                               
bill  changes  the  entire  first  section  of  AS  14.30.380  to                                                               
resource  development  education  in the  classrooms  instead  of                                                               
environmental education in the classrooms.   He said he would not                                                               
be  supporting  the  bill,  but  did  not  wish  to  hold  it  in                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:44:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   KAWASAKI  offered   his   belief   that  it   is                                                               
judiciary's  role  and  responsibility  to  interpret  [Alaska's]                                                               
Constitution  and  not the  legislature's  role  to  do so.    He                                                               
stressed  that  this  bill  changes  [Alaska's]  constitution  by                                                               
placing the  watered down  language in  statute.   He highlighted                                                               
that kids  should be taught  balanced education so they  can make                                                               
good,  critical  decisions;  however,  he also  will  not  oppose                                                               
moving the bill.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK pointed  out that Legislative Legal wrote  the bill so                                                               
he assumes the bill drafter is familiar with all the issues.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:45:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT moved  to  report  the proposed  committee                                                               
substitute  (CS)  for  HB   352,  labeled  27-LS1409\M,  Mischel,                                                               
3/30/12,  out of  committee with  individual recommendations  and                                                               
the accompanying zero fiscal note.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA objected.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:45:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll  call vote was  taken.  Representatives  Pruitt, Kawasaki,                                                               
P. Wilson,  Seaton, Feige, and  Dick voted in favor  of reporting                                                               
the  proposed  committee  substitute  for  HB  352,  labeled  27-                                                               
LS1409\M,  Mischel, 3/30/12,  out of  committee.   Representative                                                               
Cissna  voted  against it.    Therefore,  the CSHB  352(EDC)  was                                                               
reported out of the House  Education Standing Committee by a vote                                                               
of 6-1.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 9:45 a.m. to 9:47 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 369 Version A 040212.pdf HEDC 4/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 369
HB 369 Version A Sponsor Statement.pdf HEDC 4/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 369
HB 369 Support Information Case for High School activities.pdf HEDC 4/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 369
HB 369 Version A Sectional Summary.pdf HEDC 4/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 369
HB 369 Version A Laws in other states.docx HEDC 4/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 369
HB 369 Version A Fiscal Note EED-TLS-3-30-12.pdf HEDC 4/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 369
CS HB 352 Version M 033012.pdf HEDC 4/2/2012 8:00:00 AM
HB 352