Legislature(2001 - 2002)

05/03/2001 09:20 AM Senate FIN

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     SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 23                                                                                             
     Proposing amendments to the Constitution of the State of                                                                   
     Alaska relating to an appropriation limit and a spending                                                                   
     limit.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was  the second  hearing for  this bill in  the Senate  Finance                                                            
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley restated  the intent of  the resolution to  replace                                                            
the current  constitutional  appropriation,  or  spending limit.  He                                                            
noted  the   current  spending   limit  amendment   to  the   Alaska                                                            
Constitution  was adopted  in  1982 by  voters and  was intended  to                                                            
limit state  government spending and  require that one-third  of all                                                            
appropriations are allocated  to the capital budget items. He opined                                                            
that this constitutional  amendment  "has never worked" because  the                                                            
amount  is "simply set  too high".  He explained  that although  the                                                            
$2.5  billion   figure  is  specified   in  the  amendment,   annual                                                            
adjustment  for population and inflation  raises the amount  to over                                                            
$6 billion for  the current year. He pointed out the  amount subject                                                            
to the provisions  of the constitutional amendment  is approximately                                                            
$3.1 billion. This, he noted results in a $3 billion "cushion".                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley   added  that  a  court  decision   on  the  matter                                                            
"completely  turned  on its  head,"  the  meaning of  the  one-third                                                            
capital  appropriation  provision.  This one-third  requirement,  he                                                            
said,  has never been  followed.  He surmised  citizens reading  the                                                            
constitution  "are  led to  believe"  there  exists a  $2.5  billion                                                            
limit,  which he  stressed  is actually  $6  billion,  and that  the                                                            
capital budget  is almost $1 billion  general funds annually,  which                                                            
is also not the case.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley expressed,  "Given that the existing provisions have                                                            
never worked  and is not understandable  to any average person…it's                                                             
clear that that provision  of the constitution is certainly broken."                                                            
This resolution,  he  said, replaces  the "broken  language" with  a                                                            
provision  that is effective.  Co-Chair Donley  explained the  FY 00                                                            
budget of $3.1 billion  is used to set a new baseline. He noted that                                                            
although  this seems  to be  an increase  of $600  million from  the                                                            
language  adopted in 1982,  it is actually  a decrease of almost  $3                                                            
billion from the population and inflation adjusted amount.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley stated  that this resolution attempts to prevent the                                                            
problems  of  the  1982 provision  by  clarifying  which  funds  are                                                            
included  in the  spending  limit.  He added  that  this  resolution                                                            
limits  the growth in  spending to  a percentage  of population  and                                                            
inflation.  He referred  a spreadsheet, Appropriation Limit, showing                                                            
the changes  to the  base limit and  growth limit  of 50 percent  of                                                            
population and inflation.  [Copy on file.] He surmised this approach                                                            
would hold down the growth more effectively.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley also noted  a provision is added allowing, through a                                                            
super  majority   vote  of   the  legislature,   that  .25   percent                                                            
inflationary growth  could be accessed. He pointed  out in the first                                                            
year  after  this  resolution  takes effect,  the  amount  would  be                                                            
approximately $31 million. He termed this to be a safety valve.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley continued  that an additional  safety valve  is the                                                            
option  of  general  obligations   (GO)  bonds  to  finance  capital                                                            
projects.  He  described  how,  if  the  legislature  identifies  an                                                            
important need,  a GO bond proposal  could be placed on the  ballot,                                                            
and  if approved  by  voters at  the next  general  election,  could                                                            
relieve pressure  on the operating budget. He surmised  that this is                                                            
an appropriate method to allow for large capital expenditures.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley  also  noted  the  resolution   contains  a  repeal                                                            
provision  in the form of  placing a question  before voters  in the                                                            
2010 general  election as to whether  this constitutional  amendment                                                            
should  remain  a part  of  the constitution.   He noted  that  this                                                            
encourages legislative review of the provision as well.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly asked  if there are  other provisions  in the  state                                                            
constitution that come up for public review.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Donley   replied  there   are   several   and  gave   the                                                            
constitutional   convention  as  an  example,  explaining   how  the                                                            
question of  whether to hold a constitutional  convention  is placed                                                            
before the voters every ten years.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Ward expressed  his support for this resolution and told how                                                            
he had  made earlier attempts  to support  Co-Chair Donley  in these                                                            
efforts in previous legislative sessions.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Ward  commented that  if this issue  had been placed  on the                                                            
ballot earlier,  he believed Alaskans "would have  taken a different                                                            
attitude toward  income tax, sales  tax, permanent funds,  petroleum                                                            
taxes,  a whole host  of things."  He stated there  is currently  "a                                                            
blank check in government."  He titled this constitutional amendment                                                            
as the beginning of "the  Alaskan Plan" and said it does not compare                                                            
to the Republican  Party's five-year budget plan that  concluded the                                                            
previous  fiscal year.  He stressed  this  is what  the citizens  of                                                            
Alaskans  have demanded and  that "they want  us to live within  our                                                            
means  and right  now they know  that there  is no  limit" to  state                                                            
government  spending.  He  surmised  that if  this  resolution  were                                                            
placed on a future ballot,  voters would become more involved in the                                                            
long-range  fiscal plan for state  government. He warned  there must                                                            
be a limit  to government spending  so citizens would have  faith in                                                            
their government. He concluded  this resolution is the answer to the                                                            
failed ballot measure in  the 1999 special election to use a portion                                                            
of the  earnings of the  permanent fund to  pay for some  government                                                            
services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  commented that whenever  a constitutional  amendment                                                            
pertaining   to   government   spending   there  would   always   be                                                            
difficulties.  He  noted  that  although   Co-Chair  Donley  gave  a                                                            
complete  presentation  of this  resolution,  there  might still  be                                                            
minor issues  to address.  However,  he remarked  that the House  of                                                            
Representatives  committee process has progressed  "frightenly slow"                                                            
this session  and he  was concerned  that the  resolution would  not                                                            
complete the process  in the next year and qualify  for placement on                                                            
the 2002  General  Election ballot.  He therefore  asked for  Senate                                                            
Finance  Committee leeway  to expedite  the resolution  through  the                                                            
Senate this year so it  could be transmitted to the House as soon as                                                            
possible. He  preferred this resolution  receive necessary  scrutiny                                                            
in House  committees  rather  than be  delayed then  rushed  through                                                            
during the last days of the legislative session.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  referenced page 2, lines 13 and 14,  "The operating                                                            
expenditures  of each of  the principal  departments established  by                                                            
law under  Section 22 of  Article III shall  be reduced by  an equal                                                            
percentage." He asserted  that whenever the matter of reducing state                                                            
government  has been  considered,  the method  of  across the  board                                                            
reductions  to all services  was a last result  option. He  stressed                                                            
that  across the  board reductions  "don't  make much  sense" and  a                                                            
better  approach is  to examine  and prioritize  specific  services.                                                            
Therefore,  he asked why  an across the board  method is imposed  in                                                            
this constitutional amendment.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman continued  to page  2, lines 14  through 16,  "This                                                            
subsection  does not apply  to expenditures  that are approved  by a                                                            
resolution  concurred in by  at least two-thirds  of the members  of                                                            
each  house."  He wanted  to  know if  such  a resolution  could  be                                                            
considered  and  adopted  at  the  same time  the  budget  is  under                                                            
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  answered yes to Senator Hoffman's  second question.                                                            
He noted  the final  result would  still be a  requirement that  the                                                            
growth remain  less than the population and inflation  requirements.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  addressed the first  question saying that  although                                                            
he  agreed the  equal reduction  approach  is  not a  good idea  for                                                            
general  budget  practice,  he  recommends  it  for  this  situation                                                            
because it is a provision  to be implemented only if the legislature                                                            
violates  the  spending   limits  imposed  in  this  constitutional                                                             
amendment.   He  expressed  this   provision  would  encourage   the                                                            
legislature  to  stay  within  the  spending  limit,  to  prioritize                                                            
services and would  also avoid costly litigation.  He explained that                                                            
in a  situation where  the legislature  "ignored its constitutional                                                             
duty" to appropriate within  the limit or inadvertently appropriated                                                            
more  than  the  limit allows,  a  court  would  have  to  determine                                                            
appropriate   reductions.   He   stated   this  provision   in   the                                                            
constitutional amendment  provides the court specific guidelines for                                                            
making  those  reductions  and also  gives  the  legislature  "clear                                                            
notice"  of the consequences  of  violating the  spending limit.  He                                                            
predicted that  this provision actually addresses  Senator Hoffman's                                                            
concerns  about unprioritized  reductions  because  the legislature                                                             
would be encouraged to  make budget decisions within the constraints                                                            
rather then allow for an arbitrary across the board reduction.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  estimated  the proposed FY  02 budget would  exceed                                                            
the spending  limit imposed by this  constitutional amendment  if it                                                            
existed  today. He  requested the  Division of  Legislative  Finance                                                            
confirm this.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  agreed to this, and classified the  FY 02 budget as                                                            
a "moving target" since it had not yet passed the legislature.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  asked  for clarification  of  the  equal  reduction                                                            
provision imposed  if the legislature appropriated  an amount higher                                                            
than the spending limit.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley reiterated  how the budget would be reduced in equal                                                            
proportions to  each department in the event of a  lawsuit filed and                                                            
won against the  legislature for over-spending. He  pointed out that                                                            
the governor  is also responsible  for any  over-spending since  the                                                            
budget must be  signed into law before funds could  be appropriated.                                                            
He surmised  that the amount  of money involved  in these  instances                                                            
would be minimal.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  asked if the appropriation reductions  would be made                                                            
through a court action.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  affirmed and explained  the court would  order each                                                            
department  to  reduce  its  budget   and  the  specifics  would  be                                                            
determined by the commissioners of each department.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly asked if  the commissioners would have flexibility to                                                            
make these reductions within the Budget Request Units (BRU).                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  answered by reading  from page 2, lines  10 and 11,                                                            
"…the governor  shall reduce  expenditures  by the executive  branch                                                            
for its  operation  and administration  to the  extent necessary  to                                                            
avoid spending more than the amount that may be appropriated…"                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman opined  that in actuality, the governor would review                                                            
the budget  passed by the legislature  to ensure the appropriations                                                             
are within the limit. In  the event they are higher, Senator Hoffman                                                            
continued,  the governor  would prioritize  and make necessary  line                                                            
item reductions at this time.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  agreed this is true, "within the  perimeters of the                                                            
constitutional   provision,  which  requires   it  to  be  equal  by                                                            
department." He  asserted the way to avoid this situation  is to not                                                            
violate the spending limits.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Amendment  #1: This  conceptual amendment  deletes  a sentence  from                                                            
Section 1 (c),  on page 2, lines 13 and 14 of the  resolution, which                                                            
reads,  "The  operating  expenditures   of  each  of  the  principal                                                            
departments  established  by law  under Section  22  of Article  III                                                            
shall be reduced by an equal percentage."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  expressed  his  concern  that some  items  such  as                                                            
contracts  negotiated in  good faith  and entitlements,  would  be a                                                            
priority and  could not be reduced,  but that other, less  desirable                                                            
reductions would be required  elsewhere. He predicted there would be                                                            
a  small  number  of  budget  items  available  to  incur  the  full                                                            
reduction.  He also warned that the  legislature would be  unable to                                                            
make these budget decisions.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley noted  several events  would have  to occur  before                                                            
this provision would be  activated. He listed: the legislature would                                                            
pass a  budget higher  then the  appropriation  limit, the  governor                                                            
would  not exercise  veto authority  in reducing  appropriations  to                                                            
meet the limit, a lawsuit  would be filed against the state, and the                                                            
court would rule against  the state in this suit. Only at this time,                                                            
he explained,  would  the governor  be  required to  make the  equal                                                            
reductions  in accordance  to the constitutional  amendment  and the                                                            
court order.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Green understood  the primary intent  of the appropriation                                                             
limit is to become  the "guiding principal" by which,  the budget is                                                            
formulated and  policies set. By knowing the appropriation  limit at                                                            
the  start  of the  budget  process,  she  surmised  the  department                                                            
representatives would have  to submit proposed budgets that meet the                                                            
predetermined  amount. She stated  the message would be sent  to the                                                            
executive branch, "This  is the principal under which we're going to                                                            
operate.  You  have   some  information  and  you   work  from  that                                                            
principal."  She expressed  this method starts  with the  governor's                                                            
office.  If  nothing   else,  she  predicted  this   intent  of  the                                                            
constitutional  amendment would  ensure there  is leadership  in the                                                            
budget process rather then a compilation of reactions.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley applauded  this point, and  noted that in  the last                                                            
six years, the  governor has been proposing large  budget increases.                                                            
Under the appropriation  limit, Co-Chair Donley stated, the governor                                                            
would have to meet the  cap or there could be consequences. He noted                                                            
this also addresses  Senator Hoffman's  concerns about prioritizing                                                             
expenditures.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  stated he had no  objection to the deletion  of the                                                            
sentence as proposed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley moved for adoption of Amendment #1.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Without objection the amendment was ADOPTED.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  requested Committee advice on the  last sentence in                                                            
Section 2 on page 2, lines  23 through 25, "If the majority of those                                                            
voting  on the  proposition  rejects  the amendment,  the  amendment                                                            
shall be repealed  and Section 16  of Article IX shall be  reenacted                                                            
to read  exactly as it did  when it was  first adopted in  1982." He                                                            
explained this  applies to the provision placing the  constitutional                                                            
amendment,   if   initially   adopted,   back  before   voters   for                                                            
reconsideration  in the year 2010 and every eight  years thereafter.                                                            
He commented that  the language adopted in 1982 is  "pretty bad" and                                                            
thought   it  might   be  preferable   to  completely   repeal   the                                                            
constitutional   amendment  rather  then  revert   to  the  previous                                                            
language.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly asked for  clarification of how this resolution would                                                            
affect the existing constitutional amendment.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  explained if this resolution were  adopted, and its                                                            
provisions incorporated  into the constitutional amendment governing                                                            
spending  limits,  but the  voters  later  elected to  repeal  these                                                            
provisions,  the  constitutional  amendment  would  remain  but  the                                                            
language  would  revert  to  that  in the  original  constitutional                                                             
amendment.  An  alternative,   he  said,  is  to  provide  that  the                                                            
constitutional amendment  is repealed in its entirety if voters fail                                                            
to retain the language contained in this resolution.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  recommended  repealing  the  entire constitutional                                                             
amendment, saying it is ineffectual.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Leman  agreed. He  stated  the provision  proposed  in  the                                                            
resolution   could  be  confusing   and  he   wanted  to  keep   the                                                            
constitution as simple as possible.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Leman  referred to  the "safety valve"  language on  page 2,                                                            
lines  14   through  16,   "This  subsection   does  not  apply   to                                                            
expenditures  that are approved by  a resolution concurred  in by at                                                            
least two-thirds  of the  members of each  house." He asked  if this                                                            
provision  would  preclude  the  current  legislative   practice  of                                                            
separately voting  to pass the budget and the subsequent  withdrawal                                                            
from  the  Constitutional  Budget  Reserve  fund  (CBR) to  pay  the                                                            
difference   between   available   funds   and  the   total   budget                                                            
expenditures.  He noted this  method is established  in statute  and                                                            
wanted to know if an additional  resolution would be required before                                                            
funds could be withdrawn from the CBR.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley replied  that a resolution "keeps the power with the                                                            
legislature"  with regard  to  CBR draws.  He explained  if the  CBR                                                            
withdrawal  were included  in the  budget legislation,  it would  be                                                            
subject to  a line-item veto.  He gave a scenario  of a budget  bill                                                            
passed  that  included  the  CBR  withdrawal.  He  warned  that  the                                                            
governor could  veto this section of the bill, which  would activate                                                            
the budget reduction provision  and the governor would determine the                                                            
reductions rather then the legislature.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Leman  asked how this compares  to the Alaska Supreme  Court                                                            
interpretation of the existing constitutional amendment.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley replied  this resolution specifically authorizes the                                                            
legislature's  intent that the governor  could not veto legislative                                                             
approval of CBR draws.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #2:  This amendment deletes,  "…and Section 16  of Article                                                            
IX shall be  reenacted to read exactly  as it did when it  was first                                                            
adopted in  1982." from Section  2, page 2,  lines 24 and 25  of the                                                            
resolution.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley moved for adoption.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
There was no objection and the amendment was ADOPTED.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilken   stated  that  he  would  support  reporting   this                                                            
resolution  from  Committee,  but  stressed that  it  is  a work  in                                                            
progress.  He voiced  concerns with  "the half  and half"  provision                                                            
that  calculates   the   allowable  spending   increases  based   on                                                            
population  and inflation, saying  it is too ambitious and  too low.                                                            
He admitted he  did not have a recommendation as to  what the amount                                                            
should be.  He noted the predicted  13 percent per capita  reduction                                                            
over nine years and emphasized  the difficulty in making one-percent                                                            
budget  reductions under  the Republican's  five  year budget  plan,                                                            
which concluded  the previous  year. He thought  the issue  could be                                                            
addressed with an additional  safety valve; one that would be easier                                                            
to enact then the currently proposed provision.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilken  expressed  there  is  a  need  to  address  capital                                                            
spending  versus   operating  expenditures.   He  opined   that  the                                                            
operating budget  is the result of  an "arduous process that  serves                                                            
to restrain  government."  He remarked  this  is entirely  different                                                            
from the process  of allocation for capital expenditures,  which are                                                            
intended  to encourage  the state's  economy.  He stressed  Alaskans                                                            
need to  understand that  the intent in funding  operation  items is                                                            
one of  restraining  government but  the intent  in funding  capital                                                            
items  is to  build  Alaska. He  characterized  the  two budgets  as                                                            
mutually exclusive.  He was concerned  with the proposal  to combine                                                            
the  two into  one spending  limit  provision.  He warned  that  the                                                            
result  could be  favoring  government at  the expense  of  building                                                            
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly concurred.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilken  listed  that  his  third  concern  relates  to  the                                                            
University of  Alaska, which he was unsure if it was  subject to the                                                            
spending  limits. He predicted  if tuitions  were increased,  "we're                                                            
back to the old  statutory designated receipts problem,"  explaining                                                            
that  any revenue  increases  with the  intent of  funding  specific                                                            
state  services  would  affect the  total  appropriation  amount  in                                                            
relation  to  the  spending  limits.   He  stated  there  are  other                                                            
instances where additional  revenues could be generated to assist in                                                            
paying for and expanding a service.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken  shared his final concern  with "federal indices"  as                                                            
it appears  in Section 1 (a). He pointed  out there are few  federal                                                            
indices for comparison  and those impacted by this resolution should                                                            
be clarified.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Wilken   assured  he   is   "fully  supportive"   of   the                                                            
constitutional spending  limit, stressing he wanted to guarantee the                                                            
one adopted is acceptable.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Austerman  associated   himself   with  Senator   Wilken's                                                            
comments. He emphasized,  "the devil is in the details"  on any such                                                            
proposal.  He considered  this resolution  "a tool  for us to  start                                                            
getting a handle  on where we're going on government."  He noted his                                                            
interest in  pursuing a long-term  financial plan and stressed  this                                                            
is a key element  to that plan. He  was reassured that because  this                                                            
resolution requires  a two-thirds vote from each body,  the problems                                                            
would  be adequately  addressed  before it  passed.  He hoped  there                                                            
would be  constructive  discussions on  the matter  in the House  of                                                            
Representatives over the interim.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  noted Co-Chair Donley's  tendency to "work  on a lot                                                            
of projects all  very much in depth." He requested  the sponsor work                                                            
on  this resolution  with  the same  intensity  given  to his  other                                                            
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Austerman invited  Co-Chair  Donley to  participate in  the                                                            
long-term financial planning group.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Ward offered  a motion to  move from  Committee SJR  23, as                                                            
amended,  with a zero fiscal  note from the  Division of  Elections,                                                            
Office of the Lieutenant Governor.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  remarked he was in agreement with  all the comments                                                            
raised during  this hearing  and that he would  continue to  work on                                                            
this resolution.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Without objection the bill MOVED from Committee.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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