Legislature(2025 - 2026)BARNES 124

04/22/2025 01:00 PM House TRANSPORTATION

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+= HJR 14 PORT MACKENZIE & NORTHERN RAIL EXTENSIONS TELECONFERENCED
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*+ SJR 12 NOAA BUOY OUTAGES TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
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                    SJR 12-NOAA BUOY OUTAGES                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:15:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  CARRICK  announced that  the  final  order of  business                                                               
would be CS  FOR SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION NO.  12(TRA), Urging the                                                               
United States  Congress and the National  Oceanic and Atmospheric                                                               
Administration to  address outages  of National Data  Buoy Center                                                               
stations.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:15:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FORREST  DUNBAR,  Alaska  State  Legislature,  as  prime                                                               
sponsor,  presented   the  committee  substitute  (CS)   for  SJR
12(TRA).    He  paraphrased  from  the  sponsor  statement  [copy                                                               
included  in  the  committee  packet],   which  read  as  follows                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SJR 12 calls  attention to a small  but important piece                                                                    
     of  federal infrastructure:  National Data  Buoy Center                                                                    
     meteorological   stations.    Weather   buoys   provide                                                                    
     important data  points for forecasting models  and real                                                                    
     time  observations that  are critical  to safe  fishing                                                                    
     and navigation in coastal  Alaska. They inform mariners                                                                    
     decisions on when to leave harbor and when to return.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Of particular concern is the  Seal Rocks Buoy in Prince                                                                    
     William Sound.  The Coast Guard relies  on this station                                                                    
     to  determine if  conditions  in Hinchinbrook  Entrance                                                                    
     are  safe   for  the  transit  of   laden  oil  tankers                                                                    
     departing  the Alyeska  Terminal in  Valdez. Like  many                                                                    
     other NDBC meteorological stations  in Alaska, the Seal                                                                    
     Rocks Buoy  has experienced lengthy service  outages in                                                                    
     the  last few  years,  including the  entirety of  last                                                                    
     winter.  Currently,  it  has been  nonfunctional  since                                                                    
     October  2024. Without  this station,  the Coast  Guard                                                                    
     must rely on  spot reports from passing  ships and data                                                                    
     from more  distant stations  to estimate  conditions in                                                                    
     Hinchinbrook Entrance.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     This situation  is dangerous. Hinchinbrook  Entrance is                                                                    
     narrow; if  a tanker were  to lose control  there would                                                                    
     be  very  little time  to  prevent  it from  grounding.                                                                    
     Attaching  a tow  line or  performing any  other rescue                                                                    
     operations is  very difficult in high  winds and waves.                                                                    
     If a tanker  did ground in bad  weather, Prince William                                                                    
     Sound  would experience  a repeat  of the  Exxon Valdez                                                                    
     disaster.  This  would  be devastating  for  the  local                                                                    
     environment, fisheries, and tourism.  It would cost the                                                                    
     state  and  federal  government  tens  of  billions  of                                                                    
     dollars to clean up. When  the stakes are this high, it                                                                    
     is essential that safety equipment  like the Seal Rocks                                                                    
     Buoy kept in service.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     SJR  12  will  convey   this  information  to  Alaska's                                                                    
     Congressional delegation and the National                                                                                  
     Oceanographic   and  Atmospheric   Administration,  the                                                                    
     parent  agency of  NDBC. It  will ask  NOAA to  restore                                                                    
     reliability  to NDBC  and Seal  Rocks Buoy  service and                                                                    
     ask Congress  to ensure  NOAA has  the resources  to do                                                                    
     so. At  a time when  federal agencies and  services are                                                                    
     under  threat,  it  is important  to  remind  decision-                                                                    
     makers that these functions are critical to Alaska.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:18:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  GUTHRIE,  Project   Manager,  Maritime  Operations,  Prince                                                               
William Sound  Regional Citizens' Advisory Council,  gave invited                                                               
testimony on  CSSJR 12(TRA).   He  stated that  the council  is a                                                               
federally mandated,  nonprofit organization  with the  mission of                                                               
promoting   environmentally  safe   operations  of   the  Alyeska                                                               
pipeline,  the Valdez  Marine Terminal,  and  the associated  oil                                                               
tankers.   The Oil Pollution  Act of  1990 and its  contract with                                                               
the Alyeska Pipeline Service Company  guide this work.  He stated                                                               
that  the  council represents  the  communities  affected by  the                                                               
[1989] Exxon Valdez oil spill, as well as other groups.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUTHRIE stated that the oil  from the spill is still found on                                                               
the beaches throughout the region.   He acknowledged that certain                                                               
species  may never  recover,  and there  is  lingering trauma  in                                                               
people from  the affected communities.   He stated that  the oil-                                                               
spill prevention  system in  Prince William Sound  is one  of the                                                               
most  comprehensive  in the  country,  as  tugboats escort  every                                                               
outbound tanker from Valdez to the Gulf of Alaska.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUTHRIE, on behalf of  the council, expressed support for the                                                               
proposed resolution,  which would request that  the U.S. Congress                                                               
and  the National  Data Buoy  Center (NDBC),  under the  National                                                               
Oceanographic and Atmospheric  Administration (NOAA), address the                                                               
outages of these national data  buoys and weather stations in the                                                               
state.     He  argued  that   this  is  critical  for   the  safe                                                               
transportation  of  oil  in  the  region.    He  added  that  the                                                               
information   from  the   stations   has  benefited   subsistence                                                               
gathering,  commercial   fishing,  charter  boats,   tour  boats,                                                               
recreational boats, freight shippers, and other users.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUTHRIE  stated  that  the   main  concern  is  Hinchinbrook                                                               
Entrance, which connects the sound with  the gulf.  Over the last                                                               
year and  a half, he said  that the buoy has  been functional for                                                               
only 35 days.   Before tankers can leave the  sound, he indicated                                                               
that there  is a requirement on  wind speed and wave  height, and                                                               
the U.S. Coast  Guard makes these decisions using buoy  data.  He                                                               
maintained  that   if  the  buoys   were  not   functioning,  the                                                               
information would not be exact,  causing concern for accompanying                                                               
tugboats in  bad weather.   He continued  that the  council would                                                               
like the  assurance that tankers  would not depart  in conditions                                                               
when  a  tugboat could  not  operate.    He emphasized  that  the                                                               
operation  of the  Seal Rocks  Buoy  is imperative  to oil  spill                                                               
prevention.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:21:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  questioned who has the  responsibility for                                                               
the maintenance of buoys.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. GUTHRIE responded that NDBC  and NOAA are responsible for the                                                               
maintenance.   He stated  that logistical  support from  the U.S.                                                               
Coast Guard  can be requested, but  this is not its  primary job.                                                               
He stated  that NDBC is  contracting a  vessel in June  to repair                                                               
the buoy.   He  acknowledged that the  Coast Guard  cannot always                                                               
offer support.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:23:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT  ARCHIBALD,  President,   Prince  William  Sound  Regional                                                               
Citizens'  Advisory  Council,  gave invited  testimony  on  CSSJR
12(TRA).  He shared  that he has been on the  board for 10 years.                                                               
He expressed  support for the  proposed legislation.   He pointed                                                               
out  that this  would address  buoys in  the Gulf  of Alaska  and                                                               
Prince  William  Sound.    He  explained  that  the  Trans-Alaska                                                               
Pipeline  System  (TAPS) does  not  stop  in Valdez;  rather,  it                                                               
continues out on tankers to the West Coast or Asia.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. ARCHIBALD shared  that he has worked  onboard escort tugboats                                                               
out of Valdez for 15 years  and onboard various vessels in Valdez                                                               
for  22  years.   From  this  experience,  he  said that  he  has                                                               
firsthand  knowledge  of  being  on the  ocean  without  reliable                                                               
weather-observation  information.   He  stressed  that this  puts                                                               
tugboat crews  in harm's way.   He pointed out that  buoy data is                                                               
more  reliable  than the  human  eye  and  a wind  forecast  from                                                               
vessels.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:25:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR EISCHEID,  per the  proposed resolution,  questioned the                                                               
meaning of  the phrase  "take actions  necessary" to  restore the                                                               
buoy station.   He further questioned what is  not happening that                                                               
the proposed resolution is requesting.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ARIELLE  WIGGEN,  Staff,  Senator Forrest  Dunbar,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, on  behalf of Senator Dunbar,  answered questions on                                                               
CSSJR 12(TRA).  She deferred the question to Mr. Guthrie.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GUTHRIE   explained  that  the  current   funding  for  buoy                                                               
maintenance is insufficient.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:26:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE  commented  that the  proposed  resolution                                                               
could be  strengthened by  having the  requirement that  the U.S.                                                               
Coast  Guard maintain  the  buoy,  as it  has  a  cutter ship  in                                                               
Cordova.  He suggested that this  could be the U.S. Coast Guard's                                                               
job, noting that  a buoy tender is already set  up for this work.                                                               
He opined  that this would not  require a contract, and  it could                                                               
pertain  only  to this  area,  as  another  oil spill  should  be                                                               
prevented.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:27:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR CARRICK questioned  whether the idea was  posed that the                                                               
U.S.  Coast Guard  could take  over  the management  of the  Seal                                                               
Rocks Buoy.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:28:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ARIELLE WIGGEN responded  that this question has  not been asked.                                                               
She stated  that this change  could be entertained.   In response                                                               
to a  follow-up question  concerning the number  of buoys  in the                                                               
state that are not functioning,  she stated that she would follow                                                               
up to the committee with this answer.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  CARRICK,  in  follow  up,  also  requested  information                                                               
concerning the  number of  buoys that NOAA  manages in  the state                                                               
and the number of these with outages.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:29:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 1:29 p.m.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:29:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR CARRICK announced that CSSJR 12(TRA) was held over.                                                                    

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HJR 14 Fiscal Note HTRA.4.9.25.pdf HTRA 4/22/2025 1:00:00 PM
HJR 14