Legislature(2023 - 2024)BUTROVICH 205

03/04/2024 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES

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03:30:31 PM Start
03:31:18 PM SB243
03:43:22 PM SB217
04:16:47 PM Presentation: the Railbelt Transmission Grid
05:10:30 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
*+ SB 217 INTEGRATED TRANSMISSION SYSTEMS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
+ SB 257 ELECTRIC UTILITY REGULATION TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Canceled>
+ Presentation: Alaska Railbelt Transmission Issues TELECONFERENCED
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled: TELECONFERENCED
+= SB 243 ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY GOVERNANCE TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 243(RES) Out of Committee
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 4, 2024                                                                                          
                           3:30 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Click Bishop, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Cathy Giessel, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Bill Wielechowski, Vice Chair                                                                                           
Senator Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                          
Senator James Kaufman                                                                                                           
Senator Forrest Dunbar                                                                                                          
Senator Matt Claman                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 243                                                                                                             
"An Act relating  to the board of directors of  the Alaska Energy                                                               
Authority."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSSB 243(RES) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 217                                                                                                             
"An Act relating to the  taxation of independent power producers;                                                               
and increasing  the efficiency of integrated  transmission system                                                               
charges and use for the benefit of ratepayers."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: THE RAILBELT TRANSMISSION GRID (NOW AND FUTURE.)                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 257                                                                                                             
"An  Act  relating  to  the   Regulatory  Commission  of  Alaska;                                                               
relating to  public utilities;  relating to  electric reliability                                                               
organizations; relating to the  Alaska Energy Authority; relating                                                               
to the  Railbelt Transmission Organization; and  providing for an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - BILL HEARING CANCELED                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 243                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY GOVERNANCE                                                                                 
SPONSOR(s): RESOURCES                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
02/19/24       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/19/24       (S)       RES, FIN                                                                                               
02/26/24       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/26/24       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/26/24       (S)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
02/28/24       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/28/24       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/28/24       (S)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
03/04/24       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 217                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: INTEGRATED TRANSMISSION SYSTEMS                                                                                    
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
02/02/24       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/02/24       (S)       RES, L&C, FIN                                                                                          
03/04/24       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JULIE SANDE, Commissioner                                                                                                       
Department of Commerce, Community, and Economic Development                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented SB 217 on behalf of the                                                                         
administration.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CURTIS THAYER, Executive Director                                                                                               
Alaska Energy Authority (AEA)                                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions on SB 217.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ANDREW JENSEN, Policy Advisor                                                                                                   
Office of the Governor                                                                                                          
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions on SB 217.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT DOYLE, Chair                                                                                                             
Regulatory Commission of Alaska (RCA)                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions on SB 217.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
GWEN HOLDMANN, Associate Vice Chancellor                                                                                        
Research, Innovation, and Industry Partnerships                                                                                 
University of Alaska Fairbanks (UAF)                                                                                            
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Presented  an   update  on   the  Railbelt                                                             
Transmission Grid.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TONY IZZO, CEO                                                                                                                  
Matanuska Electric Association (MEA)                                                                                            
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION   STATEMENT:  Provided   information  on   the  Railbelt                                                             
Transmission Grid.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JOHN BURNS, President and CEO                                                                                                   
Golden Valley Electric Association (GVEA)                                                                                       
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION   STATEMENT:  Provided   information  on   the  Railbelt                                                             
Transmission Grid.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:30:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  CLICK  BISHOP  called  the  Senate  Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 3:30  p.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order were Senators Wielechowski, Kawasaki, Dunbar, Claman, Co-                                                                 
Chair  Giessel  and  Co-Chair  Bishop.  Senator  Kaufman  arrived                                                               
thereafter.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
           SB 243-ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY GOVERNANCE                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:31:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP  announced the consideration  of SENATE  BILL NO.                                                               
243 "An  Act relating  to the  board of  directors of  the Alaska                                                               
Energy Authority."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:31:28 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAUFMAN joined the meeting.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:31:28 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP solicited a motion.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:31:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  GIESSEL moved  to  adopt Amendment  1,  work order  33-                                                               
LS1427\A.4, to SB 243.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                               33-LS1427\A.4                                                                    
                                                       Walsh                                                                    
                                                     2/29/24                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 1                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                          BY SENATOR GIESSEL                                                                    
     TO: SB 243                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     1     Page 1, line 1, following "Authority":                                                                               
     2 Insert "; and providing for an effective date"                                                                           
     3                                                                                                                          
     4 Page 3, following line 5:                                                                                                
     5    Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                    
     6    "* Sec. 5. This Act takes effect July 1, 2024."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:31:34 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:31:37 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL explained that Amendment 1 sets an effective                                                                   
date of July 1, 2024 for SB 243.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:31:47 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP removed his objection; finding no further                                                                       
objection, Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR CLAMAN said he would not offer Amendment 2.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                               33-LS1427\A.4                                                                    
                                                       Walsh                                                                    
                                                     2/29/24                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 2                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                           BY SENATOR CLAMAN                                                                    
     TO: SB 243                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     1 Page 2, line 16, following "terms":                                                                                      
     2    Insert "A public member appointed under (a)(3) of                                                                     
          this section may be removed only                                                                                      
     3    for cause."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:31:59 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP solicited a motion.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:32:02 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN moved to adopt Amendment 3, work order 33-                                                                       
LS1427\A.3, to SB 243.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                               33-LS1427\A.3                                                                    
                                                       Walsh                                                                    
                                                     2/29/24                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 3                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
                                           BY SENATOR CLAMAN                                                                    
     TO: SB 243                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     1 Page 3, lines 2 - 5:                                                                                                     
     2    Delete all material and insert:                                                                                       
     3    "TRANSITION. (a)  The terms of the  members of the                                                                    
     board of directors of the Alaska                                                                                           
     4 Energy Authority under AS  44.83.030, as that statute                                                                    
     read before the effective date of this                                                                                     
     5 Act, expire on the effective date of this Act.                                                                           
     6    (b)  Notwithstanding  AS  44.83.030(c),  added  by                                                                    
     sec. 2 of this Act, public members of                                                                                      
     7  the   board  of  directors  of   the  Alaska  Energy                                                                    
     Authority under AS 44.83.030(a)(3) are appointed                                                                           
     8 to initial terms as follows:                                                                                             
     9         (1)   the    member   appointed    under   AS                                                                    
     44.83.030(a)(3)(A), added by sec. 1 of                                                                                     
     10  this  Act,  and   one  member  appointed  under  AS                                                                    
     44.83.030(a)(3)(E), added by sec. 1 of this Act,                                                                           
     11 serve for terms that expire March 1, 2025;                                                                              
     12        (2)   the    member   appointed    under   AS                                                                    
     44.83.030(a)(3)(B), added by sec. 1 of                                                                                     
     13  this  Act,  and   one  member  appointed  under  AS                                                                    
     44.83.030(a)(3)(E), added by sec. 1 of this Act,                                                                           
     14 serve for terms that expire March 1, 2026;                                                                              
     15        (3)   the   members    appointed   under   AS                                                                    
     44.83.030(a)(3)(C) and  (D), added by16 sec.  1 of this                                                                    
     Act, serve for terms that expire March 1, 2027.                                                                            
          17 (c) Nothing in this section prevents the                                                                           
     appointment of a person whose term expires                                                                                 
     18 under (a) of this section as a member of the board                                                                      
     of directors of the Alaska Energy Authority                                                                                
        19 if the person meets the qualifications in AS                                                                         
     44.83.030, as amended by sec. 1 of this Act."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:32:04 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:32:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN  said the purpose  of Amendment 3 is  to establish                                                               
more  specific terms  for the  six public  members of  the board.                                                               
Under  AS 39.05.055,  boards follow  staggered  terms upon  their                                                               
creation. However, due  to the inclusion of  two commissioners on                                                               
this board, there are eight  members instead of six, resulting in                                                               
a deviation  from the  standard. The  amendment seeks  to address                                                               
this  by aligning  the terms  of  non-commissioner board  members                                                               
with  the  existing  statute  and   ensuring  those  terms  track                                                               
existing statute.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:33:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL voiced opposition  to Amendment 3. She expressed                                                               
concerns that  while the idea behind  it might not be  bad, it is                                                               
highly prescriptive. She emphasized  the importance of the Alaska                                                               
Energy  Authority   (AEA)  having   its  own   regulatory  board.                                                               
Currently, the  AEA Board is  combined with AIDEA,  despite their                                                               
distinct  missions.   She  highlighted   energy  issues   as  top                                                               
priorities  for  the   state  and  suggested  the   need  for  an                                                               
independent  AEA  capable  of  managing  potentially  substantial                                                               
federal funds.  She urged  the committee  to refrain  from adding                                                               
elements  that could  make SB  243 objectionable  as it  proceeds                                                               
towards final passage.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:35:03 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP maintained his objection.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:35:10 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:36:24 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP reconvened the meeting.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:36:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR  requested  further clarification  and  expressed                                                               
difficulty  in understanding  whether Amendment  3 would  stagger                                                               
the terms  of the board  members, potentially leading  to earlier                                                               
expiration dates  in some cases.  He suggested that  the governor                                                               
would  retain   the  authority  to  promptly   make  all  initial                                                               
appointments under this amendment.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:36:52 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN  said that under  Amendment 3, the  governor would                                                               
make immediate appointments of six  individuals to the board. Two                                                               
of these appointees would serve  a one-year term, while the other                                                               
two would  serve a three-year  term. After the initial  term, all                                                               
appointments  would be  for three-year  terms. Additionally,  the                                                               
appointments would be rotated to  ensure that not all six members                                                               
join the board simultaneously.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:37:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR suggested  that the  amendment could  potentially                                                               
increase the  governor's authority,  so he could  reappoint board                                                               
members  and  extend  their  terms that  would  follow  into  the                                                               
subsequent gubernatorial term. He  queried why the governor might                                                               
find  fault with  an amendment  that  effectively enhances  their                                                               
control  over the  board  and extends  their  influence into  the                                                               
succeeding administration.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:37:58 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  GIESSEL  said  while  that  could  be  prescribed,  the                                                               
governor would retain  the discretion to determine  the length of                                                               
terms.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:38:20 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CLAMAN  noted  that one  aspect  to  consider  regarding                                                               
staggered appointments to the board  is that the executive branch                                                               
might experience confusion when  interpreting AS 39.05.055. Given                                                               
that two board  members would not be public  members, there would                                                               
be a  clash between  the provisions  of SB  243 and  the existing                                                               
statute, which  assigns a four-year  term. Amendment 3  serves to                                                               
clarify the interpretation of terms.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:39:27 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL said she is not  an attorney, so could not speak                                                               
at length  on this  amendment, however,  she agreed  with Senator                                                               
Claman so SB 243 could move forward.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:39:45 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP  acknowledged  that  SB 243  is  moving  to  the                                                               
Finance Committee and requested a  Venn diagram to illustrate how                                                               
Amendment 3 would work. He  said the committee could consult with                                                               
the Department of Law (DOL) as it moves forward.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:39:58 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP  removed  his  objection  and  Amendment  3  was                                                               
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:40:13 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP solicited the will of the committee.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:40:37 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL moved to report  SB 243, work order 33-LS1427\A,                                                               
as amended,  from committee  with individual  recommendations and                                                               
attached fiscal note(s).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:40:50 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP  found  no  objection   and  CSSB  234(RES)  was                                                               
reported from the Senate Resources Standing Committee.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:40:57 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
             SB 217-INTEGRATED TRANSMISSION SYSTEMS                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:43:22 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  GIESSEL  reconvened  the   meeting  and  announced  the                                                               
consideration  of SENATE  BILL NO.  217 "An  Act relating  to the                                                               
taxation  of  independent  power producers;  and  increasing  the                                                               
efficiency of integrated transmission  system charges and use for                                                               
the benefit of ratepayers."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:44:22 PM                                                                                                                    
JULIE  SANDE,   Commissioner,  Alaska  Department   of  Commerce,                                                               
Community,   and   Economic   Development,   Anchorage,   Alaska,                                                               
presented SB 217 on behalf of the administration.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:44:51 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. SANDE  moved to slide  2 of the  presentation and spoke  to a                                                               
map depicting  the Railbelt Electrical  Grid. She  explained that                                                               
Railbelt comprises  an interconnected  grid and  is approximately                                                               
700   miles   long.   This   system   provides   electricity   to                                                               
approximately 75 to  80 percent of Alaska's  population of around                                                               
550,000 individuals.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:45:43 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. SANDE moved to slide 3  and spoke to the legend depicting the                                                               
Railbelt Transmission  Line and the corresponding  service areas.                                                               
She   said   while   the    Railbelt   Transmission   System   is                                                               
interconnected, it is not an  integrated system. Ownership of the                                                               
transmission  lines  is  shared  between  AEA  and  the  Railbelt                                                               
utilities  listed  on  the  slide.  Due  to  limited  alternative                                                               
pathways,  much of  the Railbelt  lacks redundancy.  Although the                                                               
Copper Valley Electrical Association is  connected by road, it is                                                               
not   connected   by   the  transmission   line.   The   Railbelt                                                               
Transmission combines  the Railbelt  system and  the transmission                                                               
lines  connecting Matanuska,  Valley  Glenn Allen,  and North  to                                                               
Delta  Junction. The  current transmission  system  in Alaska  as                                                               
inefficient, owned  by a utility  cooperative that imposes  a per                                                               
mW/hr charge,  also known  as a  "wheeling rate"  or "pancaking."                                                               
Several of those  tariffs or wheeling rates are  stacked onto one                                                               
another  and resemble  an "extension  cord." However,  she argued                                                               
that comparing  Alaska's grid to that  of the lower 48  states is                                                               
inappropriate. She  referenced an analogy  likening it to  a toll                                                               
road  rather than  a public  highway. Wheeling  tariffs primarily                                                               
serve as a  revenue mechanism rather than  facilitating true cost                                                               
recovery, which poses challenges  and barriers within the system.                                                               
These costs are  passed down to ratepayers and  can hinder access                                                               
to purchasing  the cheapest  power available,  therefore limiting                                                               
wholesale rates. She asserted that a  grid the size of the Alaska                                                               
Railbelt does not necessitate multiple  wheeling rates. If SB 217                                                               
becomes law,  the RCA  would be required  to establish  a gradual                                                               
transition process  from the  current transmission  cost recovery                                                               
system  to a  new  mechanism. This  transition  would entail  the                                                               
elimination of  wheeling rates, which  limit access  to wholesale                                                               
power  transactions  and   prevent  independent  power  producers                                                               
(IPPs)   from  engaging   in  power   purchase  agreements   with                                                               
utilities.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:48:36 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  SANDE moved  to  slide 4  and  said SB  217  would amend  AS                                                               
10.25.540(b),  the statute  related to  taxation cooperations  to                                                               
extend  tax  relief  provisions to  independent  power  producers                                                               
(IPPs)  who sell  their power  to non-profit  electric utilities.                                                               
Currently, taxes represent a significant  portion of overhead for                                                               
IPPs, often delaying or halting  the development of IPP projects.                                                               
Extending  tax  treatment  to   IPPs  that  non-profit  utilities                                                               
already receive  would benefit taxpayers by  treating all sources                                                               
of power generation equally.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:49:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. SANDE moved to slide 5 and explained the intent of SB 217:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     What Does Senate Bill 217 Do?                                                                                            
        • Senate Bill 217 aims to:                                                                                              
        • Increase   competition   and   efficiency   within                                                                    
          Alaska's transmission system                                                                                          
        • Reduce costs to the rate payer                                                                                        
       • Encourage the development of new power projects                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     It aims to do this by:                                                                                                   
        • Requiring the Regulatory Commission of Alaska                                                                         
          (RCA) to change the current mechanism of                                                                              
          transmission cost recovery in the Railbelt                                                                            
        • Eliminating transmission "wheeling" rates for                                                                         
          inter-utility movement of electricity                                                                                 
        • Extending tax relief provisions enjoyed by                                                                            
          Electric Co-ops to Independent Power Producers                                                                        
          (IPPs)                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. SANDE  said both measures  reduce artificial barriers  to the                                                               
economic  dispatch of  the  lowest-cost power  and  to new  power                                                               
generation  projects that  could  otherwise  deliver benefits  to                                                               
consumers in Alaska.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:50:45 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked for an explanation of wheeling rates.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:50:59 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. SANDE invited Curtis Thayer, Executive Director of AEA,                                                                     
to respond.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:51:19 PM                                                                                                                    
CURTIS  THAYER,  Executive  Director,  Alaska  Energy  Authority,                                                               
Anchorage,  Alaska,   responded  to  questions  on   SB  217.  He                                                               
explained that  wheeling rates vary  depending on the  origin and                                                               
destination  of  the  power,  noting  the  importance  of  having                                                               
discussions  on  the matter.  He  cited  an example  where  power                                                               
generated  in Bradley  is transported  to Fairbanks,  so it  goes                                                               
through  multiple   utility  load   servicing  areas.   He  noted                                                               
instances  where   power  saved  in  Fairbanks   originates  from                                                               
generation in Anchorage and shipped  North through the system. He                                                               
offered  to  follow  up  with  the  committee  with  analyses  of                                                               
hypothetical scenarios.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:52:15 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR noted that SB 257  was recently heard in the Labor                                                               
and Commerce  Committee and would  also eliminate  wheeling fees.                                                               
He wondered  whether provisions under SB  217 comprise functional                                                               
or legal  differences between how this  objective is accomplished                                                               
under the two bills.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:53:07 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. THAYER  replied that in  principle, there are  no differences                                                               
between the two  bills. He indicated that both SB  217 and SB 257                                                               
aim  to  eliminate the  wheeling  rate  and accomplish  the  same                                                               
objective.  He  invited Andrew  Jensen,  Policy  Advisor for  the                                                               
Office of the Governor, to provide further insight.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:53:36 PM                                                                                                                    
ANDREW   JENSEN,  Policy   Advisor,  Office   of  the   Governor,                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska, answered  questions on SB 217.  He stated that                                                               
although  the  Governor's  Office  is still  in  the  process  of                                                               
reviewing SB 257, there is a  general consensus that a new method                                                               
of rate recovery for transmission  costs needs to be established,                                                               
as  wheeling rates  impact decisions  related to  power purchases                                                               
and the  development and location of  independent power projects.                                                               
Both  bills  aim  to  achieve  the  same  objective  using  RCA's                                                               
mechanism.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:54:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAWASAKI  asked whether  independent power  producers are                                                               
privately  or   publicly  owned  and  whether   they  fall  under                                                               
regulation by the RCA.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:55:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENSEN invited Robert Doyle, Chair of RCA, to respond.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:55:20 PM                                                                                                                    
ROBERT  DOYLE,  Chair,  Regulatory Commission  of  Alaska  (RCA),                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska,  answered questions  on SB  217. He  said IPPs                                                               
are regulated under  RCA and are generally  private companies. As                                                               
an  example, he  mentioned Alaska  Renewables, a  private company                                                               
that initiated a project subject to RCA approval.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:56:05 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KAWASAKI asked  whether the  RCA would  mandate IPPs  to                                                               
transfer any savings  from a lower tax rate  to consumers through                                                               
the Electric  Cooperative if  the IPPs  themselves pay  a reduced                                                               
tax rate.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:56:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOYLE responded that normally,  the power purchase agreements                                                               
undergo review, and RCA would  consider various factors. He noted                                                               
that  the   Department  of  Revenue  would   be  responsible  for                                                               
examining tax  credit matters.  Akin to  income taxes,  RCA would                                                               
incorporate   this   information   into   its   assessment   when                                                               
establishing rates based on revenue requirements.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:56:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAUFMAN sought clarification on term definitions.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:57:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOYLE  clarified that  similar to a  toll system,  a wheeling                                                               
tariff is  imposed to  allow electrons to  pass through  a system                                                               
owned by  another entity. In  states where this is  practiced and                                                               
power   predominantly  originates   from  another   state,  power                                                               
purchase agreements are established.  Therefore, the concept of a                                                               
toll serves as  the most apt analogy, illustrating  the notion of                                                               
a fee for crossing between systems.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:58:06 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAUFMAN asked for the definition of "pancake rates."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:58:10 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  JENSEN  clarified  that  pancake   rates  occur  when  rates                                                               
accumulate  and  are  added  up  over  time,  similar  to  paying                                                               
multiple tolls while driving from Homer to Fairbanks.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:58:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN  presented a hypothetical scenario  regarding toll                                                               
rates and  inquired whether  the utility  rate would  decrease if                                                               
the wheeling  rate were collected  from other systems  that cross                                                               
over the Chugach grid.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:59:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENSEN  replied that to  the extent that wheeling  rate could                                                               
be used as a revenue mechanism,  the cost for a Chugach ratepayer                                                               
might  be lower  if it  were then  incorporated into  the revenue                                                               
requirement from a transaction that traverses the system.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:59:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CLAMAN inquired  whether, under  the current  structure,                                                               
Chugach  consumers   would  experience  any  benefits   from  the                                                               
collection  of   wheeling  rates   imposed  on   other  utilities                                                               
transmitting electricity across the Chugach grid.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:00:14 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  JENSEN  responded  that  all  grids  necessitate  a  revenue                                                               
requirement.  If   the  revenue   requirement  is   decreased  by                                                               
collecting revenue  from an alternative source,  such as wheeling                                                               
rates  from another  utility, there  is a  potential for  Chugach                                                               
ratepayers  to   benefit  slightly   because  the   total  system                                                               
requirement is offset by ratepayers in another area.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:00:39 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN asked if that is actually happening today.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:00:54 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  JENSEN  deferred to  RCA  for  a  detailed response  to  the                                                               
question.  He  said  the  current  rate  case  involving  Chugach                                                               
anticipates  a  significant  increase  in the  tariff  for  power                                                               
transmitted  north  to  Golden   Valley  Electric,  with  a  cost                                                               
estimate of approximately $700,000.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:01:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DOYLE  replied  that any  revenue  generated,  whether  from                                                               
economic  energy  sales  or  power  production  at  lower  costs,                                                               
contributes  to   the  comprehensive  rate,   benefiting  Chugach                                                               
ratepayers.  He explained  that  all revenues  are factored  into                                                               
their  tariff,  which  could  have  both  positive  and  negative                                                               
implications  for  ratepayers.  Transmission costs,  among  other                                                               
expenses, are always considered. He  expressed his belief that SB
217 aims to establish a single  flat rate for the backbone. Under                                                               
this system,  debt covenants would  be paid for, resulting  in no                                                               
winners  or  losers.  There  would   be  one  uniform  rate  from                                                               
Fairbanks to Homer.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:02:58 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CLAMAN asked  whether, if  the legislation  successfully                                                               
implements a  flat rate,  this could  potentially lead  to higher                                                               
rates in certain areas because  utilities would no longer be able                                                               
to  collect higher  fees for  transmission passing  through their                                                               
systems.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:03:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOYLE  replied yes  and noted a  slight potential  for higher                                                               
rates  in certain  areas. However,  he emphasized  the Regulatory                                                               
Commission  of  Alaska's  commitment   to  maintaining  rates  at                                                               
reasonable and  equitable levels. He reiterated  that there would                                                               
still be transmission costs, but  the objective is to establish a                                                               
single flat rate and adjust  the mechanism accordingly. Mr. Doyle                                                               
suggested exploring the  coincidence peak under SB  257 and ratio                                                               
sharing  under  SB 217  as  potential  avenues.  The goal  is  to                                                               
establish a  fair rate  and promote equity  across the  board. He                                                               
encouraged  the   committee  to  assess  whether   utilities  are                                                               
charging more than the rates  for wheeling transmission or if the                                                               
costs  remain consistent,  factoring in  the expenses  associated                                                               
with constructing and maintaining transmission infrastructure.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:05:18 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENSEN presented the sectional analysis for SB 217:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                       SECTIONAL ANALYSIS                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
            SB 217: Integrated Transmission Systems                                                                             
                           Version A                                                                                            
     Section 1 - Updates the  uncodified law of the State of                                                                  
     Alaska   by   setting   forth  the   purpose   of   the                                                                    
     legislation: to  eliminate pancaked rates  and increase                                                                    
     efficiency  of integrated  transmission systems  of the                                                                    
     state.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section  2 -  The bill  amends AS  10.25.540related  to                                                                  
     the  taxation   of  electric   cooperativesto   include                                                                    
     independent   power   producers.    Under   the   bill,                                                                    
     independent power producers would  pay a "sales" tax on                                                                    
     the kilowatt hours of electricity  in lieu of any state                                                                    
     or local  ad valorem, income,  or excise tax.  The bill                                                                    
     defines  an independent  power  producer  as a  utility                                                                    
     that  only  sells  wholesale power  to  cooperative  or                                                                    
     municipal utilities.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3 - The bill creates  a new article in AS 42.05                                                                  
     relating   to  integrated   transmission  system   cost                                                                    
     recovery (AS 42.05.900 - 42.05.915).                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Proposed AS  42.05.900 states the  legislative findings                                                                    
     for increasing the  efficiency of providing electricity                                                                    
     service to consumers.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Proposed   AS   42.05.905   requires   the   Regulatory                                                                    
     Commission   of   Alaska   ("RCA")   to   establish   a                                                                    
     transmission cost  recovery mechanism and to  provide a                                                                    
     process  where the  electric utilities  will transition                                                                    
     from recovering transmission costs  in utility rates to                                                                    
     a   transmission   cost    recovery   mechanism.   More                                                                    
     specifically, this section requires  the RCA to develop                                                                    
     a   cost   recovery   mechanism   that   achieves   the                                                                    
     legislative findings  and allocates  transmission costs                                                                    
     in a way that recognizes  a load-serving entity's local                                                                    
     consumption compared with the  total consumption on the                                                                    
     system  as a  whole. The  section further  requires the                                                                    
     RCA  to establish  a process  whereby the  transmission                                                                    
     owning  utilities will  gradually  transition from  the                                                                    
     current cost recovery  mechanism, in which transmission                                                                    
     costs  are   recovered  in  base  rates   and  wheeling                                                                    
     charges,   to  the   new  transmission   cost  recovery                                                                    
     mechanism.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Proposed  AS  42.05.910  provides  that  the  RCA  will                                                                    
     require  all transmission-owning  utilities to  form an                                                                    
     association  whose only  purpose  is to  have a  tariff                                                                    
     setting   out  how   the  transmission   cost  recovery                                                                    
     mechanism is  collected and  disbursed, and  to collect                                                                    
     and  disburse the  transmission costs  through the  new                                                                    
     recovery mechanism.  The association will  be regulated                                                                    
     as a public utility.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Proposed AS 42.05.915 provides  definitions for the new                                                                    
     article. The  section clarifies  what sort  of electric                                                                    
     utility assets are deemed  to be "transmission assets,"                                                                    
     subject  to  the  cost-recovery mechanism  of  the  new                                                                    
     article.  These include  AEA's contractual  charges for                                                                    
     transmission  to  the  Railbelt  utilities,  but  would                                                                    
     exclude  radial transmission  lines that  are built  to                                                                    
     connect  independent  power  producers who  sell  their                                                                    
     power to utilities under  wholesale contracts. The cost                                                                    
     of  such  radial  lines will  instead  continue  to  be                                                                    
     recovered  in  the  cost  of   power  provided,  as  is                                                                    
     customary.  This  ensures  that a  load-serving  entity                                                                    
     that  is not  buying power  from the  independent power                                                                    
     producer  is  not  forced  to   shoulder  the  cost  of                                                                    
     connecting  that power  to the  grid. The  section also                                                                    
     provides   definitions   for    the   terms   "electric                                                                    
     reliability organization" and "load-serving entity."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:08:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN asked him for  his perspective on the implications                                                               
of   Senate  Bill   123,  regarding   the  electric   reliability                                                               
organization, that was passed a few  years ago, in relation to SB
217. He  stated that he  had anticipated a faster  moving outcome                                                               
in establishing a new transmission entity.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:09:19 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  THAYER  replied that  the  Railbelt  Reliability Council  is                                                               
still organizing  the electric reliability entity  and is working                                                               
to establish a  president or CEO, with  interviews scheduled this                                                               
week.  He mentioned  that the  Railbelt  Reliability Council  has                                                               
held meetings,  has adopted regulations,  and is  working towards                                                               
establishing  an  organization  with  a president  or  CEO,  with                                                               
interviews  scheduled  for this  week.  He  noted that  utilities                                                               
collectively support the concept of  having a mechanism to assist                                                               
in eliminating  tariffs and pancaking rates  for consumers. While                                                               
he  agrees with  Senator Claman  that  it is  taking longer  than                                                               
expected,  the delays  are  not intentional  and  are simply  the                                                               
result  of unexpected  complications, especially  in finding  and                                                               
hiring candidates for  the positions. He said AEA  owns a 40-mile                                                               
transmission line along  with the Alaska Intertie,  both of which                                                               
do  not  charge wheeling  rates.  The  state's ownership  of  the                                                               
transmission line  between Willow and Healey  saves the Fairbanks                                                               
economy  approximately $37  million, as  they can  purchase power                                                               
more affordably from the  Railbelt and ship it North. That is not                                                               
due to the power being shipped  but the power is cheaper, and one                                                               
advantage of state  ownership over that line is the  absence of a                                                               
wheeling rate or tariff.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:11:39 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN  asked if the committee  could view SB 257  and SB
217  as measures  to  accelerate the  process  of establishing  a                                                               
unified rate for transmission on the Railbelt.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:12:11 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOYLE replied yes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:12:17 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  JENSEN  added that  the  statutory  responsibilities of  the                                                               
Electric Reliability Organization (ERO)  do not involve setting a                                                               
transmission  rate   or  addressing   the  wheeling   issue.  Its                                                               
responsibilities   include    electric   reliability   standards,                                                               
integrated resource  planning, and open access  provisions. These                                                               
provisions were not  included under SB 123  and are complementary                                                               
rather than altering or detracting from the ERO's duties.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:13:25 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAUFMAN referred to the  term "pancake" mentioned on page                                                               
2 of SB 217 and questioned  whether such informal terms should be                                                               
further defined.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:13:56 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENSEN responded  that the bill is currently in  the hands of                                                               
the  committee,  so it  falls  under  its  purview to  make  that                                                               
decision.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:14:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR  referenced page 2  of SB 217 and  noted potential                                                               
contrasts  with SB  257, which  envisions transitioning  planning                                                               
responsibilities  from  the   Electric  Reliability  Organization                                                               
(ERO) to  the transmission systems operator.  He wondered whether                                                               
inconsistencies exist between the two bills.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:14:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL advised  that  members could  not compare  other                                                               
bills that are absent from the committee agenda.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:15:15 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR  said  some people  have  envisioned  the  Alaska                                                               
Energy  Authority (AEA)  owning  multiple  assets. He  questioned                                                               
whether  this differs  from the  provisions  outlined in  Section                                                               
42.05.910 regarding integrated transmission association.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:15:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DOYLE replied  that ownership is not  specifically defined in                                                               
SB 217.  He mentioned that  AEA currently owns  approximately one                                                               
third  of  the transmission  lines,  totaling  around 210  miles.                                                               
While  AEA  owns  a  significant   portion  of  the  transmission                                                               
infrastructure  on   the  Railbelt,   SB  217  does   not  detail                                                               
ownership. He  mentioned that RCA  is not classified as  a public                                                               
utility.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:16:34 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL held SB 217 in committee.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
^Presentation: The Railbelt Transmission Grid                                                                                   
        PRESENTATION: THE RAILBELT TRANSMISSION GRID                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
4:16:47 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL  announced the  consideration of  a presentation                                                               
on the Railbelt Transmission Grid                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:17:36 PM                                                                                                                    
GWEN   HOLDMANN,   Associate   Vice  Chancellor   for   Research,                                                               
Innovation,  and  Industry  Partnerships,  University  of  Alaska                                                               
Fairbanks (UAF),  Fairbanks, Alaska,  presented an update  on the                                                               
Railbelt Transmission Grid. She  mentioned that the Alaska Center                                                               
for Energy and Power (ACEP)  has been engaged in research focused                                                               
on effective energy market design and energy planning.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:18:04 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN moved to slide 2 and shared the vision for the                                                                     
Railbelt:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     A Vision for our Railbelt                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
     We want a system that:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        • Allows cheapest cost power to get to end-users                                                                        
          wherever it is produced, whatever the source is,                                                                      
          and wherever that generation is located.                                                                              
        • Facilitates clean energy projects at scale for                                                                        
          energy security and diversification.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HOLDMANN   explained  that   the  Railbelt   grid  initially                                                               
consisted   of   independent   utilities  that   were   gradually                                                               
interconnected through  transmission assets over time.  She cited                                                               
reasons  why these  interconnections have  been advantageous  for                                                               
consumers, emphasizing  that improvements  to the  Railbelt would                                                               
enhance energy  costs for  consumers and  the reliability  of the                                                               
entire system. She  emphasized that this concept is  gnostic of a                                                               
particular technology  and ensures power is  reliable and secure.                                                               
She noted  that clean  energy projects  could also  include local                                                               
energy solutions.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:19:24 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN moved to slide 3 and provided an update on the                                                                     
Railbelt:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Realities of the Railbelt Today                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
        • Railbelt politics are inherently local                                                                              
        • Our energy sources are becoming more diverse                                                                          
        • Projects are more economical when built at scale                                                                    
        • The Railbelt transmission system needs to be                                                                          
          upgraded. We have an opportunity for federal                                                                        
          funding to help defray those costs.                                                                                 
        • Alaska has avoided transmission deregulation                                                                          
          because we are not grid connected (thus not                                                                           
          subject to FERC)                                                                                                      
        • Finding analogous correlatives to Alaska can be                                                                       
          challenging                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HOLDMANN stated  that  due to  the  existence of  individual                                                               
utility cooperative  facilities managed locally by  local boards,                                                               
politics   can  become   localized.  This   situation  can   pose                                                               
challenges  because there  is  no  requirement for  collaboration                                                               
across  the system  to  serve  the best  interests  of the  whole                                                               
system. Local  politics sometimes hinder decision-making  and the                                                               
development  of structures  that benefit  the entire  region. She                                                               
stressed  the  importance  of legislation  to  propel  the  state                                                               
forward and ensure that Alaska  develops the energy system of the                                                               
future, allowing consumers to benefit.  She suggested that future                                                               
energy  sources  will  be  more diverse.  There  is  an  economic                                                               
advantage of  constructing a  single 150mW  wind farm  over three                                                               
separate 50mW wind  farms within the system. The  objective is to                                                               
see  projects  developed at  scale  to  deliver the  best  energy                                                               
resources  to  consumers,  regardless   of  their  location.  She                                                               
mentioned that AEA's system is  anticipated to be upgraded to own                                                               
a larger portion  of the transmission system,  so the development                                                               
of  a  management  plan  is essential.  While  most  markets  are                                                               
regulated,  Alaska's  power  does  not  cross  state  lines.  She                                                               
referenced Iceland  as a  comparable example  due to  its similar                                                               
population size, serving as a useful analog.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:22:40 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  GIESSEL asked  her to  define the  terms "distribution"                                                               
and "transmission."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:22:50 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN  explained that transmission  lines move  bulk power                                                               
back  and  forth across  the  system.  These are  typically  high                                                               
voltage  lines and  are not  the  lines that  houses connect  to.                                                               
However,  sometimes large  industrial customers  may be  directly                                                               
coupled  to  the  transmission grid.  Generally,  when  power  is                                                               
transported  across   the  U.S.,  individual  utilities   at  the                                                               
distribution level draw power from  the grid and distribute it to                                                               
individual  residents. The  distribution system  is what  is seen                                                               
when  driving down  the street  and facilitates  power to  homes.                                                               
Those are very  clear definitions that have been  accepted by the                                                               
utility  industry and  the Federal  Energy Regulatory  Commission                                                               
(FERC)  and   establish  the  difference   between  distribution,                                                               
transmission,  radial  transmission, and  backbone  transmission.                                                               
Some transmission  lines may  connect to a  mine, which  does not                                                               
involve moving power back and  forth between service territories.                                                               
Whereas  a backbone  transmission  system moves  power North  and                                                               
South.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:24:07 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN  moved to  slide 4  and spoke  to a  chart depicting                                                               
power  flow between  regions. She  noted that  the chart  on this                                                               
slide  was  developed  from  a   study  that  ACEP  conducted  in                                                               
considering potential  future scenarios for power  generation and                                                               
distribution across  the entire network for  2050. It illustrates                                                               
an  expectation  that there  is  likely  to  be more  power  flow                                                               
between  different regions  on the  Railbelt. That  is why  it is                                                               
important  to address  not only  technical constraints,  but also                                                               
management and governance.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:24:50 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN asked for clarification  of his understanding that                                                               
not being connected to the grid  refers to not being linked to an                                                               
interstate  grid,  rather than  not  being  connected to  a  grid                                                               
shared with other utilities in Alaska.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:25:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN replied that is correct.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:25:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN asked  what would happen if  Alaska received power                                                               
from Canada  and whether it would  integrate into the grid  or an                                                               
international network.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:25:31 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN replied that she  has pondered the same question and                                                               
stated her belief  that receiving power from  Canada would likely                                                               
tie Alaska  into the  North American grid,  as Canada,  the U.S.,                                                               
and  Mexico  share  that  broader  grid.  While  there  could  be                                                               
potential  implications, it  would  not involve  the movement  of                                                               
power between two states.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:25:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN  asked for confirmation of  his understanding that                                                               
it would  be different if  Alaska attempted to connect  to Canada                                                               
should it be a non-issue.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:26:04 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN replies yes.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:26:11 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN moved to slide 5 and listed three goals under                                                                      
SB 217:                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Three Goals:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        1. Eliminate pancaking wheeling rates and establish                                                                     
          a framework for how transmission costs will be                                                                        
          recovered and allocated                                                                                               
        2. Create an organization that can oversee, manage                                                                      
          and develop backbone transmission assets that is                                                                      
          subject to appropriate regulation                                                                                     
        3. Re-imagining a planning process that uses a                                                                          
          whole-system approach (transmission, generation,                                                                      
          and distribution)                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. HOLDMANN  opined that  SB 217  would effectively  achieve the                                                               
first goal by directing the  commission to establish the rate for                                                               
rate  recovery. Another  approach  could  involve requesting  the                                                               
commission  to  approve  a  rate  designed  by  an  organization,                                                               
thereby shifting the  responsibility from the RCA.  There is also                                                               
an  intent to  address transmission  congestion. She  stated that                                                               
there  is   broad  consensus  that  eliminating   wheeling  rates                                                               
represents  a positive  effort, noting  that this  idea has  been                                                               
under consideration for several  years. However, she acknowledged                                                               
that there are  reasons this approach has  been unsuccessful thus                                                               
far.  Legislation would  provide a  solution to  addressing these                                                               
challenges.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:28:11 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN moved to slide 6 and explained the intent of                                                                       
removing pancaking wheeling rates:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Goal # 1: Remove pancaking wheeling rates                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Decisions  about  investment  in projects  or  economic                                                                    
     dispatch  should  not  be  inhibited  by  the  cost  of                                                                    
     transmission,  or   the  need  to  move   power  across                                                                    
     transmission lines with different ownership                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. HOLDMANN  cited an example of  a project built at  scale that                                                               
would benefit from  the removal of wheeling  rates. She explained                                                               
that  additional  tariffs  across different  service  territories                                                               
could increase the  cost of power. For instance,  what could have                                                               
been  seven- or  eight-cent  power  on the  southern  end of  the                                                               
transmission  system might  end up  costing 11  cents, making  it                                                               
uneconomical. This  system has  led to  the development  of local                                                               
projects benefiting local consumers,  which has been demonstrated                                                               
on  the  Railbelt  over  the  past  20  years.  The  goal  is  to                                                               
transition away  from this  type of  system by  establishing more                                                               
economies of  scale to provide  consumers with the  cheapest cost                                                               
of power.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:29:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP referenced  her analogy and wondered  if the goal                                                               
is   to  bring   in   private  capital   to  build   transmission                                                               
infrastructure, so entities know they have open access.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:29:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  HOLDMANN replied  that the  state is  crippled by  the small                                                               
size of  the market.  It can  be difficult  convincing developers                                                               
that Alaska  is a market  worth investing in. However,  if larger                                                               
projects are  developed that  multiple utilities  can participate                                                               
in without barriers such as  transmission costs, it would attract                                                               
far more interest from private  capital and investors compared to                                                               
the current market conditions.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:30:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked  if she is aware of  wheeling rates in                                                               
the lower 48.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:30:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN  replied no and  said in most  markets, transmission                                                               
assets have been separated from  both generation and distribution                                                               
utilities. While  generation has  become a competitive  market in                                                               
the lower 48, transmission remains a  monopoly, so the goal is to                                                               
maintain  open  access.  Alaska is  essentially  looking  at  how                                                               
things were done  in the rest of the country  20-40 years ago and                                                               
is striving to catch up  with global standards. However, Alaska's                                                               
unique  circumstances  mean that  it  cannot  replicate the  same                                                               
approach as other regions.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:31:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI sought  clarification of  his understanding                                                               
that at  each step  of the  way, a wheeling  fee is  collected to                                                               
recover utility costs.  He inquired about the  changes that would                                                               
result from  establishing a  transmission authority,  and whether                                                               
there would  be any winners  or losers. He also  wondered whether                                                               
certain consumers might experience  fluctuations in their utility                                                               
costs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:32:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  HOLDMANN moved  to slide  7  and explained  that the  change                                                               
would decouple the  cost of transmission from the  flow of energy                                                               
up and down the system.  While costs for transmission would still                                                               
need to be recovered, the  intention is to remove decisions about                                                               
cost  recovery based  on moving  electrons back  and forth.  This                                                               
separation  would  ensure  that   the  cost  of  transmission  is                                                               
separate  from the  actual  movement of  power.  She stated  that                                                               
wholesale power  to a utility would  remain consistent regardless                                                               
of their location in the system.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Goal  #  1:  Remove  pancaking  wheeling  rates  ?  and                                                                
     establish a  framework for how costs  will be recovered                                                                  
     and allocated                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Transmission lines (like  highways) are typically built                                                                    
     for peak  demand, not how  much energy  (traffic) flows                                                                    
     through the system.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Texas operates  as an  electrical "island"  and because                                                                    
     power generated  in Texas  is not  sent outside  of the                                                                    
     state,  Texas is  exempt from  federal FERC  regulation                                                                    
     (like Alaska and Hawaii)                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     "pool backbone  transmission system costs  and allocate                                                                    
     those costs  based on a  coincident peak or  load share                                                                    
     ratio  basis" -  Adapted  from  Texas Substantive  Rule                                                                    
     25.192                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Coincident peak demand -  period when electricity usage                                                                  
     (demand)  is at  its highest  across the  entire system                                                                    
     Load  share ratio  -  considers  users' overall  energy                                                                  
     consumption over a specific period                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. HOLDMANN said wholesale power to  a utility would be the same                                                               
regardless of location in the  state. No decisions are made about                                                               
which generation source  to bring online first based  on the cost                                                               
of running it through the transmission system.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:33:41 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  presented   a  hypothetical  scenario  and                                                               
sought confirmation  of his understanding  that if  everything is                                                               
leveled, one entity would end  up paying more while another would                                                               
pay less. He inquired how this would not be the case.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:34:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN replied that Bradley  Lake has a distinct setup. She                                                               
cited the Fire Island Wind Farm  as an example, which was planned                                                               
for  a  second development  phase.  At  the time,  Golden  Valley                                                               
expressed  interest in  investing in  the project.  However, this                                                               
would  involve   not  only   wheeling  power   through  different                                                               
territories  but also  constraints  on the  system's capacity  to                                                               
transmit   power   across   the  line.   There   are   technical,                                                               
governmental,  and  cost-recovery   constraints  on  the  current                                                               
system,  so the  goal  is  to move  away  from  this approach  to                                                               
achieve modernization on management and operation of the system.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:35:37 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN  asked for insight  into why this effort  has been                                                               
unsuccessful for the past 20 years.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:35:50 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN  explained that several  attempts have been  made to                                                               
establish  a  transmission  organization, with  the  most  recent                                                               
being a  for-profit entity. One  of the primary  challenges stems                                                               
from the  localized politics of  all utilities, wherein  a single                                                               
entity's  reluctance  to  participate can  undermine  the  entire                                                               
initiative.  In  a  voluntary approach,  genuine  willingness  is                                                               
required  from all  parties to  be  part of  the solution.  While                                                               
there may be  some reallocation of costs  to individual consumers                                                               
on  the   grid,  overall  costs  would   decrease.  However,  she                                                               
acknowledged  the presence  of uncertainty  in this  process. She                                                               
suggested  two methods  for reallocating  costs: determining  the                                                               
proportion  of  energy  used  relative to  the  entire  grid  and                                                               
identifying  peak demand  periods  when  new transmission  assets                                                               
need  investment.  This  approach,  successfully  implemented  in                                                               
Texas,  is  based  on  coincident  peak  demand.  By  identifying                                                               
periods  of congestion,  it becomes  possible to  ascertain which                                                               
entities are  utilizing power during  these congested  times. She                                                               
suggested  reviewing  a  similar  model to  Texas  in  allocating                                                               
costs, which  has effectively implemented a  simple cost recovery                                                               
mechanism that benefits consumers.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:39:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN  asked for confirmation of  his understanding that                                                               
when  considering energy  transmission from  Homer to  Fairbanks,                                                               
energy carried over a longer stretch tends to be more expensive.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:39:37 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN replied  that unlike a highway, the  cost to deliver                                                               
power, if  the infrastructure is  in place, is  not significantly                                                               
more expensive over longer distances.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:40:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN asked whether the  purpose of these discussions is                                                               
to address an unequal transmission grid infrastructure.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:40:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN replied there are  many reasons the Railbelt Grid is                                                               
not nearly  as robust as what  is expected in other  locations in                                                               
the U.S.  Unlike elsewhere in the  country, Alaska's transmission                                                               
system is  notably weak.  The objective is  to enhance  assets to                                                               
facilitate  the  free   flow  of  power.  However,   one  of  the                                                               
challenges lies  in Alaska's  restrictions in  moving inexpensive                                                               
power   due   to   physical,   organizational,   and   management                                                               
constraints.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:41:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL asked for  clarification on her characterization                                                               
of  the state  transmission grid  as "weak"  and the  constraints                                                               
limiting  the  movement  of  power.  She  requested  quantitative                                                               
details on how  much power can be moved over  various segments of                                                               
the line.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:41:42 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  HOLDMANN replied  that  vulnerabilities  arise from  several                                                               
points in Alaska where there  is only a single transmission line,                                                               
such as  the Alaska Intertie,  which increase the risk  of system                                                               
disruptions. When a  line goes down, it  can significantly impact                                                               
the economic movement of power  across the system. For example, a                                                               
single  line outage  can have  profound  effects on  the flow  of                                                               
power,  particularly benefiting  areas  like Fairbanks.  However,                                                               
during  interruptions in  power  service, power  may  need to  be                                                               
redirected south  from Fairbanks  to compensate  for the  lack of                                                               
power in  other areas  such as  the Matanuska  Energy Association                                                               
(MEA)  and   Chugach  territories.  Any  reliance   on  a  single                                                               
transmission line poses  significant vulnerabilities. While there                                                               
was once an  intention to build a  stronger transmission backbone                                                               
tied  to  the  Susitna  Dam,   this  plan  did  not  materialize,                                                               
resulting in  constraints in moving  power across the  state. She                                                               
mentioned that  while she did  not have specific  data, utilities                                                               
may be able to provide information.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:43:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL  commented that  Tony Izzo, CEO  of MEA,  may be                                                               
able to provide specific data later in the meeting.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:43:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN  asked for confirmation of  his understanding that                                                               
regardless  of what  is  done  on rates,  one  of the  structural                                                               
issues seems  to be  that certain  points along  the transmission                                                               
line have reached their maximum power capacities.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:43:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN replied yes and moved to slide 8 and explained                                                                     
the second goal:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
       Goal # 2: Create an organization that can oversee,                                                                     
      manage and develop backbone transmission assets that                                                                    
     is subject to appropriate regulation                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HOLDMANN said  there  is no  need for  a  pancake system  to                                                               
contain costs and manage the  system. She explained that Iceland,                                                               
with a population  and grid size akin to  Alaska, has effectively                                                               
addressed  many of  these  issues over  the  past three  decades.                                                               
Iceland organized  its transmission assets within  an entity held                                                               
by  the state  government  while maintaining  an open-access  and                                                               
competitive  energy market  in other  sectors. The  monopoly over                                                               
transmission assets  remained within  the state  government, with                                                               
the opportunity for other asset owners  to opt in and lease their                                                               
shares. Over time,  most ownership migrated to  Landsnet, but the                                                               
system  was structured  to emulate  many of  the same  principles                                                               
applicable  to  Alaska.  She   suggested  that  this  extensively                                                               
studied example  represents a best practice  for containing costs                                                               
and  ensuring  access  to  the   cheapest  power,  regardless  of                                                               
location.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:45:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN moved to slide 9 and explained the second                                                                          
goal:                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
       Goal # 2: Create an organization that can oversee,                                                                     
      manage and develop backbone transmission assets that                                                                    
     is subject to appropriate regulation                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
       Borrow from a simple governance structure that has                                                                       
     passed the test of time (in Alaska)                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. HOLDMANN noted that the  Bradley Project Management Committee                                                               
(BPMC)  has stood  the test  of  time in  dispute resolution  and                                                               
managing an  essential asset for  the Railbelt.  She acknowledged                                                               
slow progress with  the Railbelt Reliability Council  and the ERO                                                               
serving  the  Railbelt.  Establishing   a  new  organization  and                                                               
efforts to bring  a large number of stakeholders  together can be                                                               
time-consuming. Although  it is not  a perfect analogy,  the BPMC                                                               
model  has  proven effective  for  dispute  resolution and  other                                                               
issues.   It   represents   a   starting   point   for   Alaska's                                                               
consideration similar to  what Iceland has done. There  is a need                                                               
for legislative action to address  whether entities like the BPMC                                                               
and the  Bradley Project, along  with their  transmission assets,                                                               
state   regulation.  With   the  state   expected  to   own  more                                                               
transmission assets, it becomes  important for the legislature to                                                               
decide whether  these assets should  be subject to  regulation by                                                               
RCA.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:47:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL  asked her to  articulate who makes up  the BPMC                                                               
and who would be disputed.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:47:40 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  HOLDMANN  replied  that  it   represents  all  of  the  five                                                               
utilities served by  the Railbelt, along with the  city of Seward                                                               
and the Alaska  Energy Authority (AEA). AEA  holds veto authority                                                               
over  certain decisions  concerning their  assets. The  committee                                                               
operates  with a  chair  position, held  by  a different  utility                                                               
member on a rotating basis.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:48:15 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN moved to slide 10 and explained the third                                                                          
goal:                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Goal # 3: Design a planning process that uses a whole-                                                                   
     system approach                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
MS.  HOLDMANN  emphasized the  importance  of  a robust  planning                                                               
process  for the  state's energy  infrastructure. She  pointed to                                                               
Hawaii as  an example of  best practices in  integrated, holistic                                                               
grid  planning,  which  encompasses transmission,  resource,  and                                                               
distribution  planning. As  electrification  of loads  increases,                                                               
upgrades  to  the  distribution   system  become  necessary.  She                                                               
highlighted  that research  was done  on Hawaii's  best practices                                                               
and  noted that  some other  states  are also  starting to  adopt                                                               
similar approaches.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:49:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR asked  if the  ERO is  currently engaged  in that                                                               
kind of work.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:49:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  HOLDMANN replied  that currently,  the Railbelt  Reliability                                                               
Council   has  been   tasked  statutorily   with  developing   an                                                               
integrated  grid plan,  but progress  has been  slow despite  the                                                               
efforts of  many stakeholders. She  noted that this plan  may not                                                               
be as  integrative as desired.  Additionally, she  mentioned that                                                               
the  Alaska Energy  Authority (AEA)  is involved  in transmission                                                               
planning efforts. In  most jurisdictions, electricity reliability                                                               
organizations are not typically responsible for planning.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:50:20 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR asked  how  utilities  could maintain  their                                                                    
voice in the planning process  if Alaska were to establish a                                                                    
transmission  systems  operator (TSO),  potentially  through                                                                    
AEA.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:50:42 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  HOLDMANN expressed  her  belief that,  similar  to the  BPMC                                                               
structure, if  AEA were  to serve  as the  TSO, it  could involve                                                               
other voices in the planning  process. For instance, the chair of                                                               
the  ERO could  participate as  a member  of that  committee. The                                                               
goal  is  to  ensure  a  diverse  set  of  voices  at  the  table                                                               
overseeing the best decisions for the future of the state.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:51:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR inquired  about considerations  for the  relative                                                               
size  of utilities  and customers  served,  such as  the city  of                                                               
Seward and Chugach  Electric relative to the  number of customers                                                               
served and assets  they hold. He wondered whether  there would be                                                               
a voting mechanism or other  means to address this discrepancy in                                                               
decision-making power.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:52:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN  replied that is not  the way it is  done with BPMC,                                                               
there is  an equal voice at  the table. However, this  is a model                                                               
that is  a starting point  rather than  an end point.  She opined                                                               
that a transmission organization  should be subject to regulation                                                               
and  a public,  open,  and transparent  process.  The BPMC  model                                                               
could be a starting  point but not an end point  for setting up a                                                               
government structure.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:52:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR  expressed  his   hope  that  Chugach  Electric's                                                               
shareholders consistently align with local interests.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:52:52 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. HOLDMANN moved to slide 11 and explained the three                                                                          
goals:                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Three Goals:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        • Eliminate pancaking wheeling rates and establish                                                                      
          a framework for how transmission costs will be                                                                        
          recovered and allocated                                                                                               
        • Create an organization that can oversee, manage                                                                       
          and develop backbone transmission assets and that                                                                     
          is subject to appropriate regulation                                                                                  
        • Re-imagining a planning process that uses a                                                                           
          whole-system approach (transmission, generation,                                                                      
          and distribution)                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. HOLDMANN  added that while  there may be alignment  on goals,                                                               
the question  lies in determining  how the state  can effectively                                                               
achieve them.  She noted  she could offer  insight on  what other                                                               
markets have done to inform Alaska's best practices.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:53:38 PM                                                                                                                    
TONY  IZZO, CEO,  Matanuska Electric  Association (MEA),  Palmer,                                                               
Alaska, spoke  to the Railbelt  Transmission Grid. He said  he is                                                               
also speaking as former Co-Chair  of the Railbelt Subcommittee of                                                               
the  governor's  Energy  Security Task  Force.  When  considering                                                               
goals for  a transmission organization,  this was a  top priority                                                               
that  unanimously  moved out  of  the  Railbelt Subcommittee.  He                                                               
noted that the  Co-Chair was Jen Miller of Renewable  IPP. She is                                                               
the developer of  the Houston and Willow solar  farms. The number                                                               
one recommendation was to unify  and upgrade transmission assets.                                                               
A lot of things have changed  since 2020 when the ERO was passed,                                                               
primarily grid  funding. As  co-ops, there  are systems  in place                                                               
that are built based on  what members can afford. The association                                                               
does  not  have shareholders  who  invest  dollars for  strategic                                                               
purposes, it is  members who want reliable,  safe, and affordable                                                               
power. The employees  at various utility companies do  a good job                                                               
of  keeping  the lights  on  day-to-day.  The  task force  did  a                                                               
tremendous  amount  of  work  on   this.  An  ideal  transmission                                                               
organization would  reduce transmission  constraints on  the grid                                                               
while  allowing  for  quicker  integration  of  additional  clean                                                               
energy generation. MEA  has a generation facility  in its service                                                               
area.  However,  utility  companies'   customers  do  not  pay  a                                                               
wheeling charge.  They pay  for the  transmission and  the system                                                               
that delivers it  to their home including the meter.  The goal of                                                               
the task  force is to get  rid of wheeling. Wheeling  charges are                                                               
for other utilities  that seek to move power  through the system.                                                               
He said it was  almost as if four or five  utilities each owned a                                                               
piece of land  and there was a mutual driveway  or dirt road that                                                               
went through. Due  to the small size and scale,  if one wanted to                                                               
use another's  section of the  road to get to  different services                                                               
areas, a fee would be charged.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:57:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  IZZO said  MEA  proposes  to get  rid  of that  requirement.                                                               
Wheeling is  not paid at  the MEA  station since it  has economic                                                               
dispatch  and  there  are no  constraints  between  utilities  or                                                               
single  transmission  lines that  are  unreliable  and not  sized                                                               
large enough.  The capacity  constraints are about  75 to  80 mW.                                                               
Bradley  Lake is  120 mW  power  plant. Southern  Intertie has  a                                                               
limit of 75  to 80 mW. All  the water is used, but  energy is not                                                               
obtained  when  it  is  most  efficient.  The  Northern  Intertie                                                               
requires the  burning of fuel  to maintain operations  and ensure                                                               
excess  spending  reserve  in case  something  goes  offline.  If                                                               
constraints on the line are  eliminated by building transmission,                                                               
and double circuiting the entire  system, that creates a backbone                                                               
or  electron  highway  and  ensures a  level  playing  field.  75                                                               
percent of the state population  could take advantage of economic                                                               
dispatch,  which is  the lowest  cost generation  on the  overall                                                               
system. If that does not meet  demand, the second or third lowest                                                               
costs  are  achieved.   With  a  backbone  that   does  not  have                                                               
constraints, opportunities  are made  available for  larger scale                                                               
renewables without wheeling charges.  He said the overall revenue                                                               
requirement for  transmission on the system  is approximately $50                                                               
million annually.  MEA's revenue is  between $165 to  166 million                                                               
of which almost $50 million is  from natural gas. That equates to                                                               
20 cents per kWh for the growing membership at MEA.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:59:48 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. IZZO said the task force  was specific in its objective, as a                                                               
result  of testimonies,  that there  would be  no losers.  Assets                                                               
would not be taken away and  it would not create a situation that                                                               
violates debt covenants.  He asked the committee  to imagine that                                                               
the overall rate may go down,  but the bill would remain the same                                                               
with a new line item  named "transmission" that simply breaks out                                                               
this cost.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:00:51 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. IZZO  stated that  104 miles of  backbone were  identified by                                                               
MEA.  If something  were to  go wrong,  the MEA  system could  be                                                               
utilized. However, there is a  point-to-point tariff in place. SB
217 would address the transmission  organization since it puts it                                                               
under one  umbrella, and  benefits could be  seen in  the overall                                                               
system rather  than just  within the  bordered area.  The revenue                                                               
requirement, meaning the  amount the RCA allows  to be recovered,                                                               
including some  of it  through wheeling, could  be uplifted  on a                                                               
per  kWh basis  to the  membership. When  beginning the  process,                                                               
there  may be  some  constraints. He  urged a  rate  that not  be                                                               
determined  where  other  utilities  are  cross-subsidizing  each                                                               
other. Once the  entire transmission backbone is  built, it would                                                               
mitigate that problem. MEA would  collect its revenue requirement                                                               
through the backbone  on 104 miles. It would collect  the rest of                                                               
its   system,   including   dead-end   transmission,   from   the                                                               
membership. However,  at the end of  the day, it would  be whole.                                                               
The task force's goal is to  shift the paradigm and from what has                                                               
previously  worked. With  grip  dollars coming  in,  there is  an                                                               
opportunity to  build the system  with matching funds to  build a                                                               
system   that  allows   lower  costs   by  allowing   large-scale                                                               
renewables to come online. If MEA's  power went down, it would be                                                               
able  to  move power  from  the  valley  south. This  would  also                                                               
increase  reliability and  set  up a  foundation  for lower  cost                                                               
rates in the future.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:03:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL asked  if the $206.5 million in  grip funding is                                                               
intended to modernize the backbone transmission system.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:04:07 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. IZZO replied that is  correct in that it prioritizes building                                                               
a  high  voltage  DC  line   from  the  Kenai  Peninsula  to  the                                                               
Southcentral area.  It is a  critical part of eliminating  one of                                                               
the two  constraints. Utilities are  working on applying  for the                                                               
second tranche  to get  to Healy, which  would level  the playing                                                               
field. That is a significant portion of the backbone.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:04:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN asked if grip funding  would allow the state to do                                                               
the construction work that has been unfunded.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:05:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. IZZO replied yes.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:05:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN  asked for confirmation of  his understanding that                                                               
the  goal of  the structure  is to  develop a  flat rate  for the                                                               
transmission  for  the  whole   Railbelt  utility  regardless  of                                                               
location.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:05:30 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  IZZO replied  that  the  goal is  to  eliminate wheeling  to                                                               
facilitate  a  level  playing  field   for  all  forms  of  power                                                               
generation in order  to provide the lowest cost of  power to move                                                               
across the system without constraint.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:05:59 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHN   BURNS,  President   and   CEO,   Golden  Valley   Electric                                                               
Association  (GVEA), Fairbanks,  Alaska,  provided background  on                                                               
the Railbelt  Transmission Grid. He emphasized  that the Railbelt                                                               
is  at  a  critical  point  and there  is  a  critical  need  for                                                               
transformative change.  The vision is  to ensure the  lowest cost                                                               
electron could be  transferred wherever it is  generated from any                                                               
source, regardless of the type  of energy, to any location across                                                               
the Railbelt  without constraint  and as the  lowest transmission                                                               
rate  possible.  To  do  this,  the  Railbelt  must  mature  from                                                               
provincial attitudes from  the past. He opined that  the only way                                                               
to achieve that is by passing  SB 217 and SB 257. While difficult                                                               
and  time consuming,  Iceland achieved  this  over several  years                                                               
through  its  commitment to  a  change.  In Iceland,  youth  have                                                               
remained,  business  is  booming,  and  economic  development  is                                                               
prospering. He opined  that Alaska must take  a holistic approach                                                               
across  the  Railbelt,  or  it could  not  maximize  benefits.  A                                                               
generation facility could be sized  but an economic benefit would                                                               
not be  received. A larger  project, such as one  comprising 100-                                                               
150 mW of  power, could ensure that the state  could maximize the                                                               
benefit across the  Railbelt by lowering costs as  long as energy                                                               
could be  transported south. The  state should be agnostic  as to                                                               
where  generation  sources are  located  and  where the  greatest                                                               
rewards are reaped.  The Northern Intertie would  be the backbone                                                               
of the Railbelt  or the primary "electronic  freeway" rather than                                                               
the  ancillary  transmission  facilities.  The  objective  is  to                                                               
narrow  the cost  on the  backbone alone.  Even though  utilities                                                               
have oftentimes been challenged  to working together, the Bradley                                                               
Lake  Project Management  Committee  (BPMC) has  worked well  for                                                               
many years of its existence.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:09:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL concluded invited testimony.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:10:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL held SB 217 in committee.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:10:30 PM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Co-Chair   Giessel  adjourned   the  Senate   Resources  Standing                                                               
Committee meeting at 5:10 p.m.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 217 Sponsor Statement.pdf SFIN 5/2/2024 9:00:00 AM
SRES 3/4/2024 3:30:00 PM
SB 217
SB 217, version A.pdf SRES 3/4/2024 3:30:00 PM
SB 217
SB 217 Sectional Analysis, version A.pdf SRES 3/4/2024 3:30:00 PM
SB 217
SB 217 Fiscal Note RCA 2.2.24.pdf SRES 3/4/2024 3:30:00 PM
SB 217
SB 217 Fiscal Note AEA 2.2.24.pdf SRES 3/4/2024 3:30:00 PM
SB 217
Presentation_AK Railbelt Transmission Issues_Holdmann SRES 03.04.24.pdf SRES 3/4/2024 3:30:00 PM
SB 217 SRES Presentation 03.04.24.pdf SRES 3/4/2024 3:30:00 PM
SB 217
SB 243 Amendment #1.pdf SRES 3/4/2024 3:30:00 PM
SB 243
SB 243 Amendment #2.pdf SRES 3/4/2024 3:30:00 PM
SB 243
SB 243 Amendment #3.pdf SRES 3/4/2024 3:30:00 PM
SB 243