Legislature(2023 - 2024)BUTROVICH 205

03/04/2024 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES

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03:30:31 PM Start
03:31:18 PM SB243
03:43:22 PM SB217
04:16:47 PM Presentation: the Railbelt Transmission Grid
05:10:30 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
*+ SB 217 INTEGRATED TRANSMISSION SYSTEMS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
+ SB 257 ELECTRIC UTILITY REGULATION TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Canceled>
+ Presentation: Alaska Railbelt Transmission Issues TELECONFERENCED
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled: TELECONFERENCED
+= SB 243 ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY GOVERNANCE TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 243(RES) Out of Committee
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
           SB 243-ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY GOVERNANCE                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:31:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP  announced the consideration  of SENATE  BILL NO.                                                               
243 "An  Act relating  to the  board of  directors of  the Alaska                                                               
Energy Authority."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:31:28 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAUFMAN joined the meeting.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:31:28 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP solicited a motion.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:31:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  GIESSEL moved  to  adopt Amendment  1,  work order  33-                                                               
LS1427\A.4, to SB 243.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                               33-LS1427\A.4                                                                    
                                                       Walsh                                                                    
                                                     2/29/24                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 1                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                          BY SENATOR GIESSEL                                                                    
     TO: SB 243                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     1     Page 1, line 1, following "Authority":                                                                               
     2 Insert "; and providing for an effective date"                                                                           
     3                                                                                                                          
     4 Page 3, following line 5:                                                                                                
     5    Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                    
     6    "* Sec. 5. This Act takes effect July 1, 2024."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:31:34 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:31:37 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL explained that Amendment 1 sets an effective                                                                   
date of July 1, 2024 for SB 243.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:31:47 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP removed his objection; finding no further                                                                       
objection, Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR CLAMAN said he would not offer Amendment 2.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                               33-LS1427\A.4                                                                    
                                                       Walsh                                                                    
                                                     2/29/24                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 2                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                           BY SENATOR CLAMAN                                                                    
     TO: SB 243                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     1 Page 2, line 16, following "terms":                                                                                      
     2    Insert "A public member appointed under (a)(3) of                                                                     
          this section may be removed only                                                                                      
     3    for cause."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:31:59 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP solicited a motion.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:32:02 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN moved to adopt Amendment 3, work order 33-                                                                       
LS1427\A.3, to SB 243.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                               33-LS1427\A.3                                                                    
                                                       Walsh                                                                    
                                                     2/29/24                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 3                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
                                           BY SENATOR CLAMAN                                                                    
     TO: SB 243                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     1 Page 3, lines 2 - 5:                                                                                                     
     2    Delete all material and insert:                                                                                       
     3    "TRANSITION. (a)  The terms of the  members of the                                                                    
     board of directors of the Alaska                                                                                           
     4 Energy Authority under AS  44.83.030, as that statute                                                                    
     read before the effective date of this                                                                                     
     5 Act, expire on the effective date of this Act.                                                                           
     6    (b)  Notwithstanding  AS  44.83.030(c),  added  by                                                                    
     sec. 2 of this Act, public members of                                                                                      
     7  the   board  of  directors  of   the  Alaska  Energy                                                                    
     Authority under AS 44.83.030(a)(3) are appointed                                                                           
     8 to initial terms as follows:                                                                                             
     9         (1)   the    member   appointed    under   AS                                                                    
     44.83.030(a)(3)(A), added by sec. 1 of                                                                                     
     10  this  Act,  and   one  member  appointed  under  AS                                                                    
     44.83.030(a)(3)(E), added by sec. 1 of this Act,                                                                           
     11 serve for terms that expire March 1, 2025;                                                                              
     12        (2)   the    member   appointed    under   AS                                                                    
     44.83.030(a)(3)(B), added by sec. 1 of                                                                                     
     13  this  Act,  and   one  member  appointed  under  AS                                                                    
     44.83.030(a)(3)(E), added by sec. 1 of this Act,                                                                           
     14 serve for terms that expire March 1, 2026;                                                                              
     15        (3)   the   members    appointed   under   AS                                                                    
     44.83.030(a)(3)(C) and  (D), added by16 sec.  1 of this                                                                    
     Act, serve for terms that expire March 1, 2027.                                                                            
          17 (c) Nothing in this section prevents the                                                                           
     appointment of a person whose term expires                                                                                 
     18 under (a) of this section as a member of the board                                                                      
     of directors of the Alaska Energy Authority                                                                                
        19 if the person meets the qualifications in AS                                                                         
     44.83.030, as amended by sec. 1 of this Act."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:32:04 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:32:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN  said the purpose  of Amendment 3 is  to establish                                                               
more  specific terms  for the  six public  members of  the board.                                                               
Under  AS 39.05.055,  boards follow  staggered  terms upon  their                                                               
creation. However, due  to the inclusion of  two commissioners on                                                               
this board, there are eight  members instead of six, resulting in                                                               
a deviation  from the  standard. The  amendment seeks  to address                                                               
this  by aligning  the terms  of  non-commissioner board  members                                                               
with  the  existing  statute  and   ensuring  those  terms  track                                                               
existing statute.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:33:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL voiced opposition  to Amendment 3. She expressed                                                               
concerns that  while the idea behind  it might not be  bad, it is                                                               
highly prescriptive. She emphasized  the importance of the Alaska                                                               
Energy  Authority   (AEA)  having   its  own   regulatory  board.                                                               
Currently, the  AEA Board is  combined with AIDEA,  despite their                                                               
distinct  missions.   She  highlighted   energy  issues   as  top                                                               
priorities  for  the   state  and  suggested  the   need  for  an                                                               
independent  AEA  capable  of  managing  potentially  substantial                                                               
federal funds.  She urged  the committee  to refrain  from adding                                                               
elements  that could  make SB  243 objectionable  as it  proceeds                                                               
towards final passage.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:35:03 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP maintained his objection.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:35:10 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:36:24 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP reconvened the meeting.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:36:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR  requested  further clarification  and  expressed                                                               
difficulty  in understanding  whether Amendment  3 would  stagger                                                               
the terms  of the board  members, potentially leading  to earlier                                                               
expiration dates  in some cases.  He suggested that  the governor                                                               
would  retain   the  authority  to  promptly   make  all  initial                                                               
appointments under this amendment.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:36:52 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN  said that under  Amendment 3, the  governor would                                                               
make immediate appointments of six  individuals to the board. Two                                                               
of these appointees would serve  a one-year term, while the other                                                               
two would  serve a three-year  term. After the initial  term, all                                                               
appointments  would be  for three-year  terms. Additionally,  the                                                               
appointments would be rotated to  ensure that not all six members                                                               
join the board simultaneously.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:37:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR suggested  that the  amendment could  potentially                                                               
increase the  governor's authority,  so he could  reappoint board                                                               
members  and  extend  their  terms that  would  follow  into  the                                                               
subsequent gubernatorial term. He  queried why the governor might                                                               
find  fault with  an amendment  that  effectively enhances  their                                                               
control  over the  board  and extends  their  influence into  the                                                               
succeeding administration.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:37:58 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  GIESSEL  said  while  that  could  be  prescribed,  the                                                               
governor would retain  the discretion to determine  the length of                                                               
terms.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:38:20 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CLAMAN  noted  that one  aspect  to  consider  regarding                                                               
staggered appointments to the board  is that the executive branch                                                               
might experience confusion when  interpreting AS 39.05.055. Given                                                               
that two board  members would not be public  members, there would                                                               
be a  clash between  the provisions  of SB  243 and  the existing                                                               
statute, which  assigns a four-year  term. Amendment 3  serves to                                                               
clarify the interpretation of terms.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:39:27 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL said she is not  an attorney, so could not speak                                                               
at length  on this  amendment, however,  she agreed  with Senator                                                               
Claman so SB 243 could move forward.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:39:45 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP  acknowledged  that  SB 243  is  moving  to  the                                                               
Finance Committee and requested a  Venn diagram to illustrate how                                                               
Amendment 3 would work. He  said the committee could consult with                                                               
the Department of Law (DOL) as it moves forward.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:39:58 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP  removed  his  objection  and  Amendment  3  was                                                               
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:40:13 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BISHOP solicited the will of the committee.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:40:37 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR GIESSEL moved to report  SB 243, work order 33-LS1427\A,                                                               
as amended,  from committee  with individual  recommendations and                                                               
attached fiscal note(s).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:40:50 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  BISHOP  found  no  objection   and  CSSB  234(RES)  was                                                               
reported from the Senate Resources Standing Committee.                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 217 Sponsor Statement.pdf SFIN 5/2/2024 9:00:00 AM
SRES 3/4/2024 3:30:00 PM
SB 217
SB 217, version A.pdf SRES 3/4/2024 3:30:00 PM
SB 217
SB 217 Sectional Analysis, version A.pdf SRES 3/4/2024 3:30:00 PM
SB 217
SB 217 Fiscal Note RCA 2.2.24.pdf SRES 3/4/2024 3:30:00 PM
SB 217
SB 217 Fiscal Note AEA 2.2.24.pdf SRES 3/4/2024 3:30:00 PM
SB 217
Presentation_AK Railbelt Transmission Issues_Holdmann SRES 03.04.24.pdf SRES 3/4/2024 3:30:00 PM
SB 217 SRES Presentation 03.04.24.pdf SRES 3/4/2024 3:30:00 PM
SB 217
SB 243 Amendment #1.pdf SRES 3/4/2024 3:30:00 PM
SB 243
SB 243 Amendment #2.pdf SRES 3/4/2024 3:30:00 PM
SB 243
SB 243 Amendment #3.pdf SRES 3/4/2024 3:30:00 PM
SB 243