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04/03/2024 01:30 PM Senate LABOR & COMMERCE

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+= SB 204 CERT. OF FITNESS: PLUMBERS/ELECTRICIANS TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 204 Out of Committee
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         SB 204-CERT. OF FITNESS: PLUMBERS/ELECTRICIANS                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:34:41 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  BJORKMAN announced  the consideration  of SENATE  BILL NO.                                                               
204 "An Act  relating to the issuance of  certificates of fitness                                                               
for plumbers and electricians; relating  to fees for certificates                                                               
of fitness  for plumbers and  electricians; and providing  for an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:35:15 PM                                                                                                                    
KIM KOLVIG, Legislative Liaison, Department of Labor and                                                                        
Workforce Development (DOLWD), Juneau, Alaska, read a prepared                                                                  
summary of SB 204.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                  Hearing for HB 290 & SB 204                                                                                 
                  Certificate of Fitness (COF)                                                                                
                        Opening Remarks                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     An  act relating  to the  issuance  of certificates  of                                                                    
     fitness  for  plumbers  and electricians;  relating  to                                                                    
     fees  for  certificates  of fitness  for  plumbers  and                                                                    
     electricians; and providing for an effective date.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Thank   you,  Chair   Bjorkman  and   members  of   the                                                                    
     committee.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Legislation changes:                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     •  The legislation before you changes the trainee level                                                                    
        certificates   of    fitness   for    plumbers   and                                                                    
        electricians from two years to six years.                                                                               
        o Currently, if a trainee  fails to renew their COF,                                                                    
          those hours worked during that lapse will not be                                                                      
          counted.                                                                                                              
        o The training  period is typically  accomplished in                                                                    
          4 years.                                                                                                              
     •  Increases the fee  for issuance of  journeyman level                                                                    
        certificates or  renewal certificates  from $200  to                                                                    
        $300.                                                                                                                   
        o The journeyman two-year  certificate cost has been                                                                    
           in effect since 2006.                                                                                                
        o The fee increase will partially  cover the loss in                                                                    
           revenue created by the changes to the training                                                                       
           level certificate.                                                                                                   
     •  The elimination of  the requirement for  trainees to                                                                    
        apply for and pay for renewals during their training                                                                    
        period will  expedite  the apprenticeship  procedure                                                                    
        overall.                                                                                                                
     •  And will avoid the difficult situation  of having to                                                                    
        reject  training  hours  because  a  certificate  of                                                                    
        fitness is not valid.                                                                                                   
     •  With  me  today  is  the  Chief  of  our  Mechanical                                                                    
        Inspection  Unit,  Mr.  Scott  Damerow,  to  give  a                                                                    
        presentation of the Certificate of Fitness (COF)                                                                        
        process.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:37:32 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN opened  public testimony on SB  204; finding none,                                                               
he closed public testimony.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:38:03 PM                                                                                                                    
SCOTT DAMEROW,  Chief of  Mechanical Inspection,  Labor Standards                                                               
and  Safety,  Department  of   Labor  and  Workforce  Development                                                               
(DOLWD), Anchorage, Alaska, said  the fiscal notes primarily will                                                               
result in a  decrease of approximately $58,000 in  revenue due to                                                               
the  non-renewal  of  Certificates  [of  Fitness]  (COF)  at  the                                                               
training  level,  based  on  a  five-year  survey.  Assuming  COF                                                               
renewal continues at the expected  rate, he said DOLWD would lose                                                               
money  and  the  COF  program  would  be  unsustainable.  SB  204                                                               
includes an  increase in  fees that  would make  up for  the past                                                               
seventeen years with no increase  in COF application fees and for                                                               
the decrease in  trainee licensing. It would also  bring [the COF                                                               
program budget] more in line  with inflationary changes and allow                                                               
normal  business.  He  said the  estimated  revenue  increase  of                                                               
$164,000 would  result in  $105,000 annual  expenditure increase.                                                               
The expenditures  would be used for:  increased travel throughout                                                               
the  state for  enforcement  staff.  It would  also  be used  for                                                               
training   education   and    memberships   in   national   level                                                               
organizations. He noted that Alaska  is secluded from the rest of                                                               
the  U.S. both  geographically and  code-wise from  the lower  48                                                               
states. He  said more national  organization membership  and more                                                               
training  would   equip  [DOLWD   certifying  personnel]   to  be                                                               
recognized  industry experts  in their  areas. He  also said  the                                                               
current software database  was developed in the 1990's  and is in                                                               
desperate need  of updating to  increase the level of  service to                                                               
the community and to allow  for on-line application, payments and                                                               
on-line receipt  of COFs. He  said DOLWD would  upgrade equipment                                                               
and machinery and credit card  processing to allow online payment                                                               
processing. He  said the  state equipment  fleet would  receive a                                                               
large  percentage of  the fund  and explained  that DOLWD  had 14                                                               
vehicles, ten of which were more  than ten years old. He said the                                                               
staff were primarily  field workers, spending most  of their time                                                               
in the vehicles.  He emphasized the need to upgrade  the fleet of                                                               
vehicles  to reduce  the number  of vehicle  breakdowns. He  also                                                               
said funds would  be spent to upgrade computers  and monitors and                                                               
infrastructure  to support  Information Technology  (IT) for  the                                                               
Labor Standards and Safety Division.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAMEROW  concluded that the  fiscal note  was straightforward                                                               
and mostly reflected  a lack of infrastructure  spending over the                                                               
past seventeen years, during which  there had been an increase in                                                               
spending but not in fees.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:41:41 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GRAY-JACKSON  referred  to  the  fiscal  note  from  the                                                               
Department  of Labor  and  Workforce  Development, OMB  Component                                                               
Number 346,  dated February 29,  2024, noting that it  called for                                                               
one new  car per year  for the  State Equipment Fleet.  She asked                                                               
how many cars the department needs and how they are used.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:42:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DAMEROW  answered that  the department  has 14  vehicles, one                                                               
assigned to each of the  current inspectors with some flexibility                                                               
for  their use.  Due to  the age  of the  fleet, the  cars suffer                                                               
significant breakdown,  leading to  setbacks in  conducting field                                                               
inspections. He said  the department does not  maintain an excess                                                               
of vehicles,  so when a vehicle  is down, an inspector  is not in                                                               
the field. He  explained that some of the vehicles  are not road-                                                               
worthy for longer trips, requiring  inspectors to switch cars. He                                                               
said he  hoped to  standardize the fleet  by selecting  a single,                                                               
standard  compact  SUV,  replacing   one  vehicle  per  year  and                                                               
allowing  for parts  and tires  to be  interchangeable among  the                                                               
vehicles.  He noted  that this  would improve  the efficiency  of                                                               
maintaining the fleet and reduce  waste of otherwise usable parts                                                               
and equipment.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:43:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON appreciated the clarification.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:43:41 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN solicited the will of the committee.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:43:46 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON moved to report SB 204, work order 33-                                                                     
GS2370\A,  from  committee  with individual  recommendations  and                                                               
attached fiscal note(s).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:44:05 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN  found no objection  and SB 204 was  reported from                                                               
the Senate Labor and Commerce Standing Committee.                                                                               

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SB44 Public Testimony-Bartholomew Grabman 03.22.24.pdf SL&C 4/3/2024 1:30:00 PM
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SB44 Public Testimony-Wayne Aderhold 03.15.24.pdf SL&C 4/3/2024 1:30:00 PM
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SB44 Public Testimony-ASPS 03.13.24.pdf SL&C 4/3/2024 1:30:00 PM
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SB204 Public Testimony-Letter_Plumbers & Pipefitters_Local 262 03.18.24.pdf SL&C 4/3/2024 1:30:00 PM
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SB204 Public Testimony-Letter_Plumbers & Pipefitters_Local 367 03.11.24.pdf SL&C 4/3/2024 1:30:00 PM
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SB204 Fiscal Note-DOLWD-MI-02.29.24.pdf SL&C 4/3/2024 1:30:00 PM
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SB204 Supporting Documents-2023 Mech Insp 5yr Review Chart.pdf SL&C 4/3/2024 1:30:00 PM
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SB204 ver A.pdf SL&C 2/26/2024 1:30:00 PM
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SB204 Sponsor Statement Ver A.pdf SFIN 4/22/2024 1:30:00 PM
SL&C 2/26/2024 1:30:00 PM
SL&C 4/3/2024 1:30:00 PM
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SB204 Sectional Analysis Ver A.pdf SFIN 4/22/2024 1:30:00 PM
SL&C 2/26/2024 1:30:00 PM
SL&C 4/3/2024 1:30:00 PM
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SB44 Sectional Analysis 02.02.23.pdf SHSS 2/23/2023 3:30:00 PM
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SB44 AKAND Response to Sen Bishop question re CDL and PPL medicals.pdf SL&C 4/3/2024 1:30:00 PM
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SB44 Supporting Documents-2023 Washington State Comparison of Pharmacy Training.pdf SL&C 4/3/2024 1:30:00 PM
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SB44 Supporting Documents-OR Disciplinary Action Compilation 2013-2019.pdf SL&C 4/3/2024 1:30:00 PM
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