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02/13/2024 01:30 PM Senate TRANSPORTATION

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        SB 199-STATE LAND: DISPOSAL/SALE/LEASE/RESTRICT                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:19:53 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   KAUFMAN  reconvened   the  meeting   and  announced   the                                                               
consideration of SENATE  BILL NO. 199 "An Act  relating to access                                                               
roads;  relating to  state land;  relating to  contracts for  the                                                               
sale of state  land; relating to the authority  of the Department                                                               
of  Education and  Early Development  to dispose  of state  land;                                                               
relating  to the  authority of  the Department  of Transportation                                                               
and Public Facilities  to dispose of state land;  relating to the                                                               
authority  of the  Department of  Natural Resources  over certain                                                               
state  land; relating  to the  state land  disposal income  fund;                                                               
relating  to  the sale  and  lease  of  state land;  relating  to                                                               
covenants and  restrictions on  agricultural land;  and providing                                                               
for an effective date."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:20:17 PM                                                                                                                    
BRENT  GOODRUM,   Deputy  Commissioner,  Department   of  Natural                                                               
Resources   (DNR),   introduced  SB   199   on   behalf  of   the                                                               
administration:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
   • Thank you for the opportunity to present some opening                                                                      
     remarks for SB 199 on State Land Disposals                                                                                 
   • As you may know the State of Alaska manages over 100                                                                       
     million acres of uplands, and another 65 million acres                                                                     
     of tidelands, all belonging to the people of Alaska.                                                                       
   • The legislation soon to be presented to you in SB 199                                                                      
     would serve  to help cut bureaucratic  red tape, create                                                                  
     flexibility    and    responsiveness    within    State                                                                    
     Departments  and open  additional opportunities  to put                                                                    
     our state's lands to work for everyday Alaskans.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:21:03 PM                                                                                                                    
     At a very high level the bill will serve to:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
        o Streamline Land Transfer functions from the State                                                                     
          of    Alaska   that    would   enable    Dept   of                                                                    
          Transportation  & Public  Facilities  and Dept  of                                                                    
          Education  and   Early  Development   to  directly                                                                    
          transfer land no longer  needed for their original                                                                    
          purpose   to   private   parties   thus   reducing                                                                    
          bureaucratic    administration    and    sometimes                                                                    
          confusing multi-agency efforts.                                                                                       
        o The bill will also work to create Flexible                                                                            
          Leasing   Requirements   that   will   allow   the                                                                    
          Department  to   best  decide  when   surveys  are                                                                    
          necessary   for   long-term  leases   to   support                                                                    
          applicants'  needs  and potentially  lowers  costs                                                                    
          for lessees.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        o It will further Incorporate Adaptable Road                                                                            
          Standards that  allow for more  economical pioneer                                                                    
          road standards  for land access and  aligns right-                                                                    
          of-way widths with municipal zoning.                                                                                  
        o SB 199 will also provide necessary Financial                                                                          
          Support   for  Development   of  State   lands  in                                                                    
          preparation  for  sale  to  Alaskans  as  well  as                                                                    
          extend the  contract terms of State  Land sales to                                                                    
          30 years.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        o The Legislation will also help facilitate                                                                             
          Commercial  Land   Sales  by  introducing   a  new                                                                    
          statute for commercial land  leasing and sales and                                                                    
          lastly, will  enable expanded agricultural  use to                                                                    
          be  inclusive  of  activities   such  as  bed  and                                                                    
          breakfast operations  to help  offset agricultural                                                                    
          development costs.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   • This is an important piece of legislation that can                                                                         
        serve to help create new opportunities in making                                                                        
     Alaskan's lands open to everyday Alaskans.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:22:54 PM                                                                                                                    
RACHEL LONGACRE,  Chief of Operations,  Division of  Mining, Land                                                               
and  Water   (DMLW),  Department  of  Natural   Resources  (DNR),                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska, moved  to slide 2 and began  a presentation on                                                               
SB 199. She thanked the committee  for inviting her to present on                                                               
Senate Bill 199 for state  land disposals, sales, and leases. She                                                               
said Senate Bill 199 would  authorize the Department of Education                                                               
and Early  Development and the  Department of  Transportation and                                                               
Public  Facilities to  directly  dispose of  surface land  rather                                                               
than  transferring land  to the  Department of  Natural Resources                                                               
(DNR)  for conveyance.  It also  increases  the cap  on the  land                                                               
disposal income  fund, updates  and improves  provisions relating                                                               
to   DNR's  land   disposal  procedures,   broadens  agricultural                                                               
incidental uses,  and adds a  new statute relating to  leases and                                                               
sales of land for commercial development.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 199 State Land:                                                                                                              
Disposal/Sale/Lease/Restrict:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Overview                                                                                                                 
        • Authorize the Department of Education & Early                                                                         
          Development   (DEED)   and   the   Department   of                                                                    
          Transportation  &  Public Facilities  (DOT&PF)  to                                                                    
          directly  dispose  of  surface land,  rather  than                                                                    
          transferring land to the Department of Natural                                                                        
          Resources (DNR) for conveyance                                                                                        
        • Increase the cap on the Land Disposal Income Fund                                                                     
          (LDIF)                                                                                                                
        • Update and improve provisions relating to DNR's                                                                       
          land disposal procedures in AS 19.30, AS 38.04,                                                                       
          AS 38.05                                                                                                              
        • Amends agricultural use restrictions                                                                                  
        • Add a new statute relating to leases and sales of                                                                     
          land for commercial development                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:23:51 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. LONGACRE moved to slide 3:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Authority for Direct Disposal of State Land                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
        • Proposed amendments allow the Department of                                                                           
          Education  and  Early   Development  (amending  AS                                                                    
          14.07.030)  and  Department  of  Transportation  &                                                                    
          Public Facilities (amending  AS 35.20.070) to sell                                                                    
          land directly to private parties                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          - Streamlining land disposals, reducing multi-                                                                        
             agency involvement                                                                                                 
          - Expanding eligible recipients beyond federal,                                                                       
             state agencies, and political subdivisions                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
She said Section  1 amends the Department of  Education and Early                                                               
Development's  authority  under  Alaska  Statute  14.07.030.  The                                                               
amendment would  streamline the disposal process  by removing the                                                               
multi-agency process where currently  the Department of Education                                                               
transfers title to DNR for  this conveyance. This amendment would                                                               
eliminate the need  for DNR to include any  restrictions that may                                                               
be attached by DNR statutes  in the process. The requirements may                                                               
be  inconsistent with  our sister  agencies'  needs. This  change                                                               
would expand  eligible recipients  beyond just federal  and state                                                               
agencies and political subdivisions.  Department of Education and                                                               
Early Development (DEED) would still  need to comply with Article                                                               
VIII, Section  10 of  the Alaska  Constitution for  Public Notice                                                               
and Article IV,  Section 6 of the Alaska  Constitution for Public                                                               
Purpose if and when it disposes of any real property.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS LONGACRE  said Section 3  repeals and reenacts  the Department                                                               
of  Transportation  and  Public Facilities'  authority  under  AS                                                               
35.20.070.  Similarly,   this  amendment  would   streamline  the                                                               
disposal  process   by  removing   the  multi-agency   factor  by                                                               
eliminating the  need for  DNR to  include any  restrictions that                                                               
may be required  by DNR statute. The amendment  would still allow                                                               
DOT to transfer land to DNR if  they felt that it fit their need.                                                               
If SB 199  becomes law, DOT would have  direct disposal authority                                                               
for  lands that  it  obtained for  public  facility projects  but                                                               
where the  lands are no longer  needed for such a  project. DOT's                                                               
current disposal  regulations would  still apply.  These sections                                                               
would  also  be  within  public  notice  requirements  under  the                                                               
Constitution.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:25:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. LONGACRE moved to slide 4 and continued her presentation:                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Land Disposal Income Fund (LDIF)                                                                                         
     • The LDIF holds deposits from the state land disposal                                                                     
        program                                                                                                                 
     • Under current law, the portion of the fund in excess                                                                     
        of $5 million is to be deposited in the state                                                                           
        general fund                                                                                                            
     • The bill raises state land disposal income fund cap                                                                      
        from $5 million to $12 million                                                                                          
     • Boosts spending authority for larger projects                                                                            
     • Addresses inflation since 2000; cap unchanged for 20                                                                     
        years                                                                                                                   
     • Adjustment to funding cap, not appropriation                                                                             
       • Department can request limit increase in annual                                                                        
        report                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE said  the Department of Natural  Resources (DNR) has                                                               
several land  sale opportunities. The department  holds an annual                                                               
land  sale auction  where  200  to 220  parcels  were offered  to                                                               
Alaska  residents. The  department holds  over-the-counter sales,                                                               
agricultural  sales,  direct   non-competitive  land  sales,  and                                                               
remote  recreational land  offerings, which  have been  occurring                                                               
since the 1960s.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE said  one of the proposed amendments  is to increase                                                               
the  land disposal  income fund  (LDIF) limit  to $12  million to                                                               
bolster the  fund balance, facilitating the  department's efforts                                                               
in land  development and disposal while  accounting for inflation                                                               
since its inception  in 2000. Section 4 proposes  an amendment to                                                               
AS 38.04.022 to raise the LDIF  cap. Concerns over a minimal fund                                                               
balance  resulting   from  fiscal  sweeps,   revenue  expenditure                                                               
disparities,  and escalating  land development  costs underscored                                                               
the necessity for this increase.                                                                                                
The Department  of Natural Resources (DNR)  is closely monitoring                                                               
the fund  while adjusting general  fund expenses,  including core                                                               
costs. Elevating  the cap  is an initial  measure to  sustain the                                                               
fund's  effectiveness   in  supporting   multi-year,  large-scale                                                               
development  projects.  The  capital  authority  for  subdivision                                                               
improvements operates across multiple  fiscal years with vigilant                                                               
oversight   of   contractual   agreements  to   prevent   revenue                                                               
shortfalls.  However,  funding   constraints  could  hinder  land                                                               
preparation for  future land  sales. This request  is not  for an                                                               
appropriation;  it is  a request  for a  higher fund  balance for                                                               
land  sale receipts.  This  LDIF supports  both  the Division  of                                                               
Mining, Land, and Water as well as the Division of Agriculture.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:27:27 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. LONGACRE moved to slide 5:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Agricultural Land Lease and Sale Procedures                                                                              
        • Amendment to AS 38.05.321 allows broader use of                                                                       
          agricultural land and improvements                                                                                    
        • Currently an agricultural landowner can only use                                                                      
          the land for purposes that are incidental to and                                                                      
          not inconsistent with agricultural land                                                                               
        • Proposed    amendment   would    now   allow    an                                                                    
          agricultural landowner to use land for purposes                                                                       
          that are consistent with and do not interfere                                                                         
          with the primary purpose                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LONGACRE  said  SB  199   proposes  amendments  to  existing                                                               
statutes to  broaden the scope of  agricultural activities beyond                                                               
primary  use,  enabling  ancillary  endeavors  such  as  bed  and                                                               
breakfast  operations to  supplement  and alleviate  agricultural                                                               
development expenses. While preserving  agricultural land for its                                                               
intended  purpose is  crucial, the  finite  availability of  such                                                               
land underscores the need for  flexibility. Granting the director                                                               
greater  discretion and  permitting  diverse economic  activities                                                               
within  agricultural  enterprises  could  foster  a  more  robust                                                               
economic framework for agricultural sectors.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:28:02 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. LONGACRE moved to slide 6:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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     Access Road Construction                                                                                                 
     •    Amends AS 19.30.080 to specify that access roads                                                                      
       to surface disposals may be developed at a pioneer                                                                       
     standard                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
         - Clarifying language on right-of-way widths within                                                                    
         municipal boundaries                                                                                                   
         - Align with municipal zoning requirements as                                                                          
         private developers                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE  said SB  199 proposes  amendments to  AS 19.30.080,                                                               
allowing access roads  to adhere to pioneer  standards instead of                                                               
mandating   all-weather,  all-season   roads.  Additionally,   it                                                               
mandates  that   rights  of  way  align   with  municipal  zoning                                                               
requirements   without   necessarily   necessitating   a   higher                                                               
standard.  The Department  of Natural  Resources  (DNR) would  be                                                               
held to the  same standard imposed on private  citizens and other                                                               
land developers.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:28:35 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. LONGACRE moved to slide 7:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Land Sale Procedures                                                                                                     
     • Land sale disposal contracts                                                                                             
       - Longer purchase terms from 20 years to 30 years                                                                        
        - Consistency in terms from "Foreclosure" to                                                                            
         "Terminatio                                                                                                            
        - Allows for paid in full purchase when existing                                                                        
         infrastructure    would   increase   liability   of                                                                    
         financing a land sale purchase contract                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE said  SB 199 clarifies the  requirements for earnest                                                               
money  deposits  on  contracts and  contract  terminations  while                                                               
extending the  maximum contract term  from 20 years to  30 years.                                                               
She  noted   that  by  replacing  the   word  "foreclosure"  with                                                               
"termination," the terminology is  made more consistent, aligning                                                               
with  administrative processes  rather  than  banking terms.  She                                                               
added that it introduces a  definition for public auction, paving                                                               
the way for  online auctions. While traditional  DNR sale methods                                                               
like  outcry auctions,  lotteries, over  the counter,  and direct                                                               
sales  will persist,  the definition  of public  auction enhances                                                               
the structure of online platforms.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE  explained SB  199 also allows  for a  best interest                                                               
finding to determine that a  paid-in-full purchase price could be                                                               
required on parcels where the  property value exceeds $10,000 and                                                               
includes any liability that the state would need to transfer.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:29:42 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. LONGACRE moved to slide 8:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Survey Requirements for Leases                                                                                           
     • Discretion of cadastral surveys for long-term leases                                                                     
        - Survey could be required where infrastructure                                                                         
         boundaries or access management is in the best                                                                         
         interest of the state                                                                                                  
        - Reduces the financial and administrative burden on                                                                    
         industries                                                                                                             
        - Industry is challenged by current requirements                                                                        
         •    Ex: Renewable energy projects, grazing leases                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE stated  SB 199 proposes several  amendments aimed at                                                               
streamlining processes  and reducing  barriers to  development on                                                               
state  land. It  would  grant the  commissioner,  through a  best                                                               
interest finding,  the option under AS  38.04.045(b) to determine                                                               
the necessity of a cadastral  survey, providing flexibility while                                                               
maintaining   state   oversight.    The   bill   eliminates   the                                                               
requirements for  surveys of long-term  leases (10+  years). This                                                               
change  acknowledges  that  surveys  and  appraisals  for  leases                                                               
exceeding 10  years can pose  significant hurdles  for industries                                                               
seeking  land  development,  particularly   in  sectors  such  as                                                               
grazing,  renewable   energies,  and  agricultural   uses.  These                                                               
requirements   not  only   deter  development   but  also   incur                                                               
prohibitive costs, especially for  industries with extensive land                                                               
needs.  Therefore,  these  amendments  aim  to  promote  economic                                                               
growth  by   reducing  unnecessary  administrative   burdens  and                                                               
expenses associated with land development processes.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:30:51 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. LONGACRE moved to slide 9:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Land for Commercial Development                                                                                          
   • Stimulate economic development                                                                                             
   • Offers land for leasing, and sale, by requesting                                                                           
     proposals                                                                                                                  
        o For state land identified or nominated as a                                                                           
          Qualified Opportunity Zone                                                                                            
        o For state land nominated by the public                                                                                
   • Land nominated cannot exceed 640 acres                                                                                     
        o For any other state land the commissioner deems                                                                       
          appropriate for commercial development                                                                                
   • Nominated land may need to be reclassified                                                                                 
             square4 Provide additional public notice beyond                                                                    
               normal AS 38.05.945                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE  explained SB  199 creates  a new  statute providing                                                               
for the  disposal of state  lands deemed suitable  for commercial                                                               
development  through a  lease-to-sale program.  To implement  the                                                               
new  commercial leasing  disposal  program,  the department  will                                                               
need to evaluate land nominations,  identify land offering areas,                                                               
and prepare documents relating to  planning and classification or                                                               
reclassification  of lands  to be  offered.  The department  will                                                               
prepare  best  interest  findings under  AS  38.05.035,  complete                                                               
title  due  diligence  and title  report  issuance,  and  provide                                                               
appraisals  of  the  land under  AS  38.05.840.  This  commercial                                                               
development opportunity would  be a new program  for the division                                                               
and  has been  requested. It  would be  advantageous to  consider                                                               
land sales beyond just residential land transfers.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:31:50 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  LONGACRE  moved  to  slide 10  and  provided  the  sectional                                                               
analysis for SB 199:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                       Sectional Analysis                                                                                     
                  Senate Bill 199  State Land:                                                                                
           Disposal/Sale/Lease/Restrict (33-GS2634\A)                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1  - Amends  AS 14.07.030(a) pertaining  to the                                                                  
     powers and  duties of the  Department of  Education and                                                                    
     Early Development  (DEED), allowing them to  dispose of                                                                    
     land directly  to a private  party rather than  just to                                                                    
     federal   agencies,  state   agencies,  and   political                                                                    
     subdivisions.  Under current  practice, DEED  transfers                                                                    
     land to  the Department of Natural  Resources (DNR) for                                                                    
     disposal  of  the  parcel   in  compliance  with  DNR's                                                                    
     procedures detailed in AS 38, the Alaska Land Act.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section  2   -  Amends   AS  19.30.080   pertaining  to                                                                  
     construction standards and  maintenance of state access                                                                    
     roads.   The   amendments   allow  for   access   roads                                                                    
     constructed  under  AS 19.30.060-19.30.100  (pertaining                                                                    
     to providing  access to state  land that  is programmed                                                                    
     for surface  disposal, and to  provide access  roads at                                                                    
     the lowest  possible cost)  to be  of low  standard and                                                                    
     not  necessarily suitable  for  all  weather used.  The                                                                    
     amendments would  clarify that where an  access road to                                                                    
     state land intended for  disposal is constructed within                                                                    
     the  boundaries  of  a municipality,  the  right-of-way                                                                    
     width  must   conform  to  the   municipality's  zoning                                                                    
     requirements to the same extent as private landowners.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section  3   -  Repeals   and  reenacts   AS  35.20.070                                                                  
     (vacating  and  disposing  of land;  rights  in  land),                                                                    
     relating  to  Department  of  Transportation  &  Public                                                                    
     Facilities (DOT&PF)  authority to vacate or  dispose of                                                                    
     land. Currently,  AS 35.20.070  only permits  DOT&PF to                                                                    
     transfer such  land to DNR for  disposal. The reenacted                                                                    
     section  would allow  DOT&PF to  dispose of  land to  a                                                                    
     third   party  directly,   according   to  the   terms,                                                                    
     standards,  and conditions  established  by the  DOT&PF                                                                    
     commissioner. Such  land could still be  transferred to                                                                    
     DNR for  disposal, if requested by  DNR. This amendment                                                                    
     will streamline the disposal  process and reduce multi-                                                                    
     agency efforts.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:33:41 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL asked  what volumes  of land  would be  subject to                                                               
disposal with passage of these changes to DOT statutes.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE  answered that she  would not be the  subject matter                                                               
expert to  speak to  the inventories of  lands for  disposal that                                                               
DOT has, or  the volume, but reiterated this is  for their public                                                               
facilities. She deferred to DOTPF representative.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:34:36 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR KAUFMAN called on Ms. O'Claray.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:34:48 PM                                                                                                                    
HEATHER  O'CLARAY, Statewide  Right-of-Way  Chief, Department  of                                                               
Transportation  (DOT), Juneau,  Alaska, explained  that (SB  199)                                                               
pertains to  a very  small subset of  property managed  by DOTPF.                                                               
DOTPF maintains  approximately 827 public facilities.  She stated                                                               
offhand she does  not know how many were  acquired or constructed                                                               
under the authorities  that are being amended in SB  199 under AS                                                               
35.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:35:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL referred to SB  199, Section 4(b) and asked whether                                                               
selling land or transferring it  to DNR takes priority when DOTPF                                                               
decides to dispose of land.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE  answered that those  decisions are made on  a case-                                                               
by-case basis.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:36:46 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  noted that  what SB 199  contemplates is  that the                                                               
Commissioner of DNR  is requesting land, which  he surmised would                                                               
be infrequent.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:36:56 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  LONGACRE described  the Telephone  Hill  transaction as  one                                                               
example which  would have been  less cumbersome to  complete with                                                               
legislation like SB 199 in place.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:37:49 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  maintained his position  that situations  when DNR                                                               
requests land from DOTPF are  infrequent and ones where the state                                                               
should give preference.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:38:23 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  TOBIN referring  to Section  B, subsection  1, described                                                               
lands between Ingra and Gambel which  were assumed by DOTPF for a                                                               
large-scale  project  and currently  being  held.  She said  that                                                               
under  this  section,  those  lands  could  be  sold  to  private                                                               
industries or  potential companies  by conditions  established by                                                               
the  commissioner.  She  asserted  that sales  of  that  type  by                                                               
regulation  would  allow  for public  input,  reducing  community                                                               
injustice and harm. She asked  for further explanation of why the                                                               
commissioner   should   establish   the  terms,   standards   and                                                               
conditions and not regulation.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:39:18 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. LONGACRE deferred to Ms. O'Claray.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:39:24 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. O'CLARAY said  she could not speak to  that specific example,                                                               
but in general, properties acquired  under AS 19 are highways and                                                               
not affected by SB 199.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:39:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN  asked why the  transaction would take  place under                                                               
conditions prescribed by the commissioner and not by regulation.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  TOBIN   repeated  her  question,  pointing   to  SB  199                                                               
Explanation of  Changes, Version A to  B, page 4, line  11, which                                                               
describes conditions  (for transfer  of property)  established by                                                               
the  commissioner.  She asked  why  the  transaction in  question                                                               
would  not  take  place  under   a  regulatory  process  allowing                                                               
community input.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:40:56 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  O'CLARAY answered  that the  language of  SB 199  is modeled                                                               
after existing  authorities in AS  2 and AS 19,  respectively for                                                               
airports and highways,  or prior existing language in  AS 35. She                                                               
affirmed that  it is a  good question and opined  that conditions                                                               
established  by  the commissioner  could  be  by regulation,  and                                                               
within  the power  and duty  of the  commissioner. She  explained                                                               
that there are  existing regulations under 17  AAC that generally                                                               
address  disposal of  properties, but  they are  not specific  to                                                               
facilities, which SB 199 seeks to amend.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:41:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  TOBIN referred  to  the  fiscal notes  for  SB 199.  She                                                               
pointed  out   that  there  is   no  line  item   for  regulation                                                               
propagation. She said this leads her  to suspect that there is no                                                               
provision for  public process, particularly  for fiscal  note OMB                                                               
Component 3002.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:42:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WILSON asked  that the  committee be  provided with  the                                                               
acreage  of  DOTPF  land,  as  a follow  up  to  Senator  Kiehl's                                                               
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. O'CLARAY  explained that DOTPF  doesn't have figures  for the                                                               
acreage involved. The  records do not specify  how DOTPF acquired                                                               
property. Property  acquired for  highways and airports  would be                                                               
excluded.  Not all  property was  acquired  under AS  35. When  a                                                               
property is  identified for  disposal, it  is researched  at that                                                               
time, and  it is a  very small  percentage of the  property owned                                                               
and managed by DOTPF.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:43:04 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WILSON  asserted that  he  would  expect DOTPF  to  have                                                               
records and be aware  of the lot sizes and value  of the land for                                                               
the 127 public facilities it manages.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:43:32 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  KAUFMAN requested  that DOTPF  provide  acreage and  value                                                               
information to the committee.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:43:56 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. LONGACRE moved to slide 11 and continued presenting the                                                                     
sectional analysis of SB 199:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section  4  - Amends  AS  38.04.022  pertaining to  the                                                                  
     state  land  disposal   income  fund.  Currently  under                                                                    
     subsection (a),  the portion of  the fund  that exceeds                                                                    
     $5,000,000  must  be  deposited in  the  state  general                                                                    
     fund.   This   bill   would  raise   that   amount   to                                                                    
     $12,000,000.  This  would increase  spending  authority                                                                    
     from  the  fund   for  higher  development,  multi-year                                                                    
     projects.  The  increase  would also  offset  inflation                                                                    
     since the fund was established  in 2000. The $5 million                                                                    
     cap  has not  been adjusted  in nearly  25 years.  This                                                                    
     would  be an  adjustment  to the  funding  cap, not  an                                                                    
     increase  in appropriation.  Under subsection  (b), the                                                                    
     department   is  granted   discretion  to   request  an                                                                    
     increase   of  the   deposit   limit   in  its   annual                                                                    
     statutorily required report to the Legislature.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section 5 - Amends  AS 38.04.045(b) to remove long-term                                                                  
     leases  under  AS  38.05.070 from  the  requirement  to                                                                    
     accomplish an official  cadastral survey. Currently, AS                                                                    
     38.04.045,   the  statute   relating   to  survey   and                                                                    
     subdivision, requires that a  survey be completed for a                                                                    
     long-term lease, which is defined  in statute as a term                                                                    
     over ten years.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section 6 -  Adds a new subsection (c)  to AS 38.05.045                                                                  
     to  provide that  the DNR  commissioner may  require an                                                                    
     official  cadastral  survey  under .045(b)  before  the                                                                    
     issuance of a long-term lease under AS 38.05.070.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 7  - Repeals  and reenacts AS  38.05.055, which                                                                  
     establishes  public  auction  or   sealed  bid  as  the                                                                    
     default methods for sale of  state land. The re-enacted                                                                    
     version divides  this section into four  subsections to                                                                    
     improve readability. Each sealed  bidder is required to                                                                    
     submit an earnest money deposit  of five percent of the                                                                    
     bid  amount,  and bidders  who  fail  to enter  into  a                                                                    
     contract to purchase, or default  in the payment of the                                                                    
     bid amount, will forfeit the deposit.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:46:03 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. LONGACRE moved through slide 12 and 13 and continued                                                                        
presenting the sectional analysis:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 8 - Amends AS  38.05.065(a) to a longer term of                                                                  
     30  years. This  longer term  allows for  lower monthly                                                                    
     payments to better assist in higher value purchases.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Sections 9   12 -  Amend AS 38.05.065(c), (d), (e), and                                                                  
     (f)   to   replace    the   word   "foreclosure"   with                                                                    
     "termination".  Foreclosures   are  an   instrument  of                                                                    
     financial institutions rather than state agencies.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section   13      14  -   Amend  AS   38.05.065(h)  for                                                                  
     consistency  pertaining  to  contracts for  state  land                                                                    
     disposals.  New  subsections  (j) and  (k)  require  an                                                                    
     earnest money  deposit by persons applying  to purchase                                                                    
     land by means other than  public auction or sealed bid.                                                                    
     The earnest  money requirement in  cases of  auction or                                                                    
     bid is  addressed in  AS 38.05.055,  as amended  by the                                                                    
     bill.  The  new  subsections   would  apply  a  similar                                                                    
     earnest  money  requirement  to  applicants  for  other                                                                    
     methods  of   purchasing  land  under  AS   38.05.  The                                                                    
     commissioner  may,   upon  a  best   interest  finding,                                                                    
     determine that the purchase price  for a parcel of land                                                                    
     with  existing  improvements  valued  at  greater  than                                                                    
     $10,000  must  be  paid  in full  within  120  days  of                                                                    
     closing.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section 15  - Amends AS  38.05 by adding a  new section                                                                  
     AS  38.05.086 pertaining  to leases  and sales  of land                                                                    
     for  commercial development.  The new  statute supports                                                                    
     commercial  or  industrial  development of  state  land                                                                    
     nominated and assessed by the  state as appropriate for                                                                    
     commercial  development. Land  could also  be nominated                                                                    
     by  the  public. The  statute  includes  a process  for                                                                    
     requesting   proposals    from   prospective   lessees,                                                                    
     accepting bids,  and then entering  into a  contract to                                                                    
     lease.  This  statute allows  the  lessee  to apply  to                                                                    
     purchase the  leased land at  any time during  the term                                                                    
     of the  lease if  the department determines  the lessee                                                                    
     has   used   the   land  for   commercial   development                                                                    
     consistent with  their proposal.  The new  section also                                                                    
     requires notice to Native Corporation stakeholders.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Section 16  - Amends AS  38.05.321(d) to allow  uses on                                                                  
     conveyed  agricultural land  that are  not inconsistent                                                                    
     with  and  do  not   limit  its  use  for  agricultural                                                                    
     purposes.  Currently,  AS  38.05.321(d)  prohibits  the                                                                    
     commissioner of DNR from limiting  use of such land for                                                                    
     purposes  incidental  to   and  not  inconsistent  with                                                                    
     agricultural  purposes.  This section  would  eliminate                                                                    
     the   requirement   that    uses   be   incidental   to                                                                    
     agricultural purposes.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section 17 - Amends AS  38.05.965 to add the definition                                                                  
     of  "public   auction"  to  expressly   include  online                                                                    
     auctions in addition to oral outcry auctions.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section  18 -  Repeals AS  38.05.065(b), regarding  the                                                                  
     contract of sale  for land sold under  AS 38.05.057 and                                                                    
     the   terms  of   installment  payments.   This  is   a                                                                    
     conforming amendment  to account  for the  changes made                                                                    
     under section 13 of the bill.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section  19     Provides an  immediate  effective  date                                                                  
     under AS 01.10.090(c).                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:49:24 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. LONGACRE moved to slide 14:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Fiscal Note                                                                                                              
     • FY 2025 $655.4 (5 positions)                                                                                             
        • Two    Permanent   Full-Time    Natural   Resource                                                                    
          Specialists 3                                                                                                         
        • Two    Permanent   Full-Time    Natural   Resource                                                                    
          Specialist 2                                                                                                          
        • One Permanent Full-Time Appraiser 1                                                                                   
        - These positions will support timely adjudication                                                                      
          of the expanded Land Sales with Commercial                                                                            
          Development program applications.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     • FY 2026-2030 $630.4 annually                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
She explained  that SB  199 creates a  new statute  providing for                                                               
the disposal  of land suitable  for commercial development  for a                                                               
lease to  sale program. To  implement the program, DNR  will need                                                               
to:                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
   • evaluate land nominations                                                                                                  
   • identify land offering areas                                                                                               
   • prepare documents relating to planning and classification                                                                  
     and reclassification of lands to be offered                                                                                
   • prepare best interest findings under AS 38.05.035(b)                                                                       
   • do title due diligence and title report issuance                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:50:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WILSON asked  whether DNR  has  acquired any  additional                                                               
lands over the past five to ten years.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE  answered that Alaska  is consistently  working with                                                               
federal agencies  to transfer lands  that are owed to  the state.                                                               
She asked for clarification of the question.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:50:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WILSON asked  for a comprehensive plan  or explanation of                                                               
expectations for future acquisition and disposal of state lands.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE  explained that the  land sales program has  been in                                                               
place since the  1960s. Our lands are  constantly adjusting based                                                               
on community needs; area plans  determine which land is available                                                               
for settlement and  those fluctuate. The expectation  is that the                                                               
program will  continue. This is  reflected in the request  for an                                                               
increased cap for the land disposal  income fund so the state can                                                               
look  toward  the  development   of  higher  valued  parcels  for                                                               
Alaskans.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:52:05 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WILSON  asked whether  these  land  sales are  only  for                                                               
Alaskans.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LONGACRE answered  that  the annual  land  sales auction  is                                                               
offered to Alaska  residents first. If the land  is not purchased                                                               
through  auction, then  the state  may  offer the  land over  the                                                               
counter, which  is available  to anyone,  including international                                                               
purchasers.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:52:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MYERS   asked  whether   more  out-of-state   sales  are                                                               
anticipated with the advent of on-line auctions.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE answered that the  terminology and definition for an                                                               
online  auction  would  allow  for  having  an  exclusive  online                                                               
auction. The  state is moving toward  exclusively offering online                                                               
auctions because of low turn-out for in-person auctions.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:53:22 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  asked if  SB 199, Section  15 includes  an Alaskan                                                               
preference or limitation.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE answered that there  is not an Alaskan preference or                                                               
limitation in  the statute.  It has been  determined that  in the                                                               
same  way that  it  is in  the state's  best  interest to  create                                                               
production of  agricultural land  as quickly as  possible through                                                               
land sales, commercial development would benefit Alaskans.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:54:06 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  referred  to  an   example  of  maritime  culture                                                               
regulation  and asked  whether regulations  have been  "fixed" to                                                               
allow for flexibility  in use of agricultural  lands, for example                                                               
allowing for tours or demonstrations of the land use.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE answered that she  will follow up with the committee                                                               
on that.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:54:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  described a change  to mariculture  regulation and                                                               
suggested  it  might  be  a  "good  fix"  for  similar  land  use                                                               
regulation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:55:03 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS asked  for further explanation, with  regard to the                                                               
qualified opportunity zone, what it is  and how it relates to the                                                               
purpose of SB 199.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE  explained that there  was an effort by  the federal                                                               
government to  create economic opportunity zones.  The Department                                                               
of Community and Economic Development  determined where the State                                                               
of Alaska and the federal  government overlap in their assessment                                                               
of those areas.  The intent is to  promote commercial development                                                               
in those zones.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:56:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS asked  whether there would be  potential tax breaks                                                               
involved.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE affirmed there would be.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:56:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS  expressed concern about  taking land that  may not                                                               
have significant use, designating it  as commercial, and then not                                                               
having that  land used for  commercial ventures for a  time. That                                                               
land  then  is not  creating  revenue  for  the state  and  would                                                               
potentially increase  the tax base,  with road  maintenance, etc.                                                               
He  asked if  the state  examined  the potential  tax impact  for                                                               
neighboring property owners.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE explained the commercial  activity would occur under                                                               
the bid proposal and also under  the lease. The assessment of the                                                               
lease  and the  commercial activity  for the  community could  be                                                               
evaluated prior to the property being offered for sale.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:58:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR KAUFMAN opened public testimony on SB 199.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:58:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MARGARET  STERN, Programs  and  Communications Director,  Susitna                                                               
River Coalition,  Talkeetna, Alaska,  testified in  opposition to                                                               
SB 199. She said  SB 199 needs more scrutiny and  is not ready to                                                               
be enacted, particularly the sections  pertaining to access roads                                                               
and commercial land leasing.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:59:33 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR KAUFMAN closed public testimony.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:00:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN  expressed concern about  a Knik Arm  bridge coming                                                               
through  communities she  represents. The  area is  designated an                                                               
economic opportunity zone  and there is land that  has been taken                                                               
by DOT, particularly  an asset on Government Hill.  She asked how                                                               
this bill will affect communities in District 5.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE stated her belief  that the commercial lease to sale                                                               
program  would  serve  communities  well   and  would  not  be  a                                                               
detriment. She  then described the  process that occurs  before a                                                               
sale and provided an example.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:02:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR   TOBIN  expressed   appreciation   and   that  she   has                                                               
reservations  and  concerns  about  this  process.  There  is  no                                                               
language in SB  199 supporting a robust public  process. She said                                                               
she  would   like  to  continue  the   conversation  outside  the                                                               
committee to discuss the impact  on the communities of Government                                                               
Hill and Fairview.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LONGACRE  replied  that,  with respect  to  the  example  of                                                               
Government Hill  and Fairview, SB  199 would only apply  to state                                                               
settlement land  and she would  be happy  to show where  there is                                                               
settlement land  that is available  for this commercial  lease to                                                               
sale program.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:03:10 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  asked about the  increase in the  land development                                                               
income  fund,  which  is   "subject  to  the  [end-of-fiscal-year                                                               
constitutional  budget   reserve]  sweep."   He  asked   how  DNR                                                               
processes that  money and  handles its obligation  at the  end of                                                               
each fiscal  year to  protect it  from meeting  the 3/4  vote. He                                                               
said  he would  like  to see  how it  works  on the  department's                                                               
annual schedule.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He also asked whether the  change from "foreclose" to "terminate"                                                               
is appropriate and suggested the change could create issues.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. LONGACRE  replied that the "clean  up" of the language  in SB
199 reflects that  the land sales contract results  in the equity                                                               
for the title  to the land being transferred  overnight. There is                                                               
no  earned  equity. It  is  a  long-term purchase  agreement.  So                                                               
"terminating"  the  contract is  more  appropriate  than using  a                                                               
banking  term  such  as  "foreclosure"  that  would  apply  to  a                                                               
mortgage.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:05:15 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR KAUFMAN held SB 199 in committee.                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 105 Sponsor Statement Version B 2.12.24.pdf STRA 2/13/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 105
SB 105 Sectional Analysis version B 2.12.24.pdf STRA 2/13/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 105
SB 105 Explanation of Changes v. A to B.pdf STRA 2/13/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 105
SB 105 CS Version B Work Draft.pdf STRA 2/13/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 105
SB 105 Fiscal Note ARRC 2.9.24.pdf STRA 2/13/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 105
SB 105 Presentation ARRC 2.13.24.pdf STRA 2/13/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 105
SB 105 Supporting Document Royal Caribbean Design Flip Book 2.8.24.pdf STRA 2/13/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 105
SB 105 Resolution of Support City of Seward 2.27.23.pdf STRA 2/13/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 105
SB 105 Letter of Support ARRC 2.11.24.pdf STRA 2/13/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 105
SB 105 Letter of Support RCG 2.12.24.pdf STRA 2/13/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 105
SB 199 Transmittal Letter 01.22.2024.pdf STRA 2/13/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 199
SB 199 Sectional Analysis Version A 01.25.2024.pdf STRA 2/13/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 199
SB 199 Fiscal Note DEED 01.24.2024.pdf SRES 2/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
STRA 2/13/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 199
SB 199 Presentation DNR State Land_Disposal_Sale_Lease Restrict 02.13.24.pdf STRA 2/13/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 199
SB 199 Fiscal Note DNR 02.12.2024.pdf SRES 2/21/2024 3:30:00 PM
STRA 2/13/2024 1:30:00 PM
SB 199