Legislature(2013 - 2014)BUTROVICH 205
02/25/2014 01:30 PM Senate TRANSPORTATION
| Audio | Topic |
|---|---|
| Start | |
| SB53 | |
| SB177 | |
| SB178 | |
| Adjourn |
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
| *+ | SB 53 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| * | SB 177 | ||
| * | SB 178 | ||
SB 177-REGULATION OF TOWERS
1:54:38 PM
CHAIR EGAN announced SB 177 to be up for consideration.
1:54:43 PM
DAVID SCOTT, staff to Senator Donald Olson, sponsor of SB 177,
explained that this bill is about aviation safety. He said
section 1 relates to registering and marking of communication
structures, wind towers, and extreme weather towers (EWT) with
the Department of Transportation and Public Facilities (DOTPF)
15 days before installation (now 20 days) if this bill passes.
1:57:13 PM
Tower owners have to comply with all federal laws and standards
related to lighting, painting and visibility of the towers.
Enforcement is still a question, but he was looking into that
and violators would be punished as provided by AS 12.55, the
criminal code.
MR. SCOTT said the sponsor put this forward, because he is an
active pilot and feels Alaska needs standards for construction
and marking of towers.
1:58:42 PM
SENATOR DYSON said he was struck by the fact that towers aren't
required to have a strobe light, because of all the darkness
here.
MR. SCOTT said he would get an answer.
SENATOR DYSON said he thought there already was existing law,
maybe federal, about transmission towers in and around
airstrips.
MR. SCOTT said that was correct; the FAA has purview if the
towers are over 200 ft.
2:00:34 PM
SENATOR FAIRCLOUGH said Anchorage has a tower ordinance already
and asked if other cities already have local ordinances and if
we had collaborated with them to know what is going on.
MR. SCOTT replied that he hadn't talked to any municipalities,
but he would reach out to them.
SENATOR FAIRCLOUGH echoed Senator Dyson's comments about
possibly working with existing FAA requirements. She was
concerned about the costs associated with marking and
registering having noticed that it would cost $120,000 to
upgrade a wind project that cost $120,000 to build. They might
think about giving people a period of time to change rather than
penalizing them if they don't have everything done in one year.
CHAIR EGAN said Juneau now has a prohibition on construction of
towers until the city adopts an ordinance that regulates cell
tower use and one of the main issues is lighting.
2:03:09 PM
SENATOR FRENCH said everyone knows what a tower is, but it might
need a definition to exclude, for example, buildings over 100
ft. in height.
2:03:51 PM
ROBERT DAY, Homer Electric Association (HEA), Homer, Alaska,
said he thought SB 177 still needed tweaking. In his particular
business, he was concerned that it may cause quite a bit of
expense and for utilities throughout Alaska. HEA members had
indicated that most of their towers are less than 100 ft. and
wouldn't fall under this bill, but the towers that feed Juneau
from Snettisham, for instance, would. He said there is also
quite a body of regulation from the FAA that requires marking of
structures near airport facilities.
He was also concerned that transmission towers traversing remote
areas near some small airport or waterway could also fall under
this bill. It sounds silly, but their transmission towers carry
electricity but not the kind of electricity that is conducive to
powering signal lights. So, placing signal lights on each tower
would be pretty expensive and any kind of maintenance would more
than likely require an outage on that transmission line, which
would cost a lot.
MR. DAY said he was more concerned over registering 50 ft.
structures and keeping them up to date, because many of their
distribution poles and all of their transmission towers would
fall under the 50 ft. regulation and that also falls under "make
them visible when close to the airport," for which a body of
safety rules and regulations already exists.
2:06:47 PM
He said the requirement for registration and putting that
information on a public web page could fall afoul of critical
infrastructure Homeland Security rules and that they had been
being a "lot more coy" about putting information in the public
area about electrical systems and how they are built and
interconnected since 9/11, so they would find themselves
possibly in a position of obeying one law and breaking another.
For marking of guy wires, Mr. Day explained that people in
Alaska often use a steel transmission structure that has guy
wires on both sides and that would be a lot of marker balls if
they were required to mark all of them from, say, Bradley Lake
all the way into Soldotna Substation.
MR. DAY suggested amending language to simply exempt towers that
are primarily for the transmission or distribution of electrical
power, but he added that putting a communication tower on top of
an electrical transmission tower would fall under this
legislation.
2:08:27 PM
JANE DALE, Alaska Air Carriers Association, Willow, Alaska,
supported SB 177. She appreciated the comments of the previous
speaker and related that the FAA does have requirements for the
public to submit notice of proposed construction when the tower
or obstruction is greater than 200 ft. or within 2-4 miles of a
public use airport, in general, depending on its length.
She said the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) would be
responsible for enforcement on communication towers and
statewide and local regulations appear to be the enforcement
tool for other obstructions.
MS. DALE said they support this bill, because it would provide
some predictability in the air space for carriers and aviators
statewide, so that they would be able to visually see
obstructions greater than 100 ft., day or night, or could look
up obstructions greater than 50 ft. in a registry.
2:10:27 PM
SENATOR DYSON asked what the process is for structures like this
to start showing up on aeronautical charts and how soon it gets
done.
MS. DALE responded that not every obstruction is charted, but
the FAA could best address that issue. There are towers that are
unmarked and unlit within close proximity to an airport, some
within the approach of an airport, and often members become
aware of that only after they fly into an airport and see the
tower.
CHAIR EGAN said he used to own radio stations and they were
required to light their towers and to file with the FAA and NOAA
the name of the station and the tower height to put on their
charts.
SENATOR DYSON said NOAA had made all of their charts available
on line and real time for nothing and he was really interested
in timeliness for Alaska's aviators. Aside from that, mariners
had been using years' old charts.
2:14:24 PM
SENATOR FAIRCLOUGH asked at what height a small plane travels in
Alaska and if they could consider raising the elevation of the
flight pattern to not have the infrastructure issues.
SENATOR FRENCH, referring to language on page 2, asked if it was
the intent to have four spherical marker balls attached to each
outer guy wire.
MR. SCOTT answered four balls per guy wire.
CHAIR EGAN remarked that Juneau's Taku winds would put "a heck
of a drag on those guy wires."
2:16:24 PM
MAX MCGRATH, Enterprise Technology Services, Manager for the
State of Alaska Telecommunication System, Anchorage, Alaska,
said he was available to answer questions on SB 177.
2:17:04 PM
ERIC ERIKSEN, Vice President, Alaska Electric Light and Power
(AELP), Juneau, Alaska, wanted to exclude electrical
transmission towers from SB 177. He acknowledged the intent to
protect public safety, but additional unintended consequences
may be exposed without this exclusion. Implementing this type of
marking on transmission towers would expose those towers and
their electrical service to liability issues and endanger their
personnel who are maintaining and implementing the devices on
the towers that are very remote and at high elevations.
2:18:29 PM
SENATOR DYSON said he assumed that transmission towers were
already operating under strict rules near established airports
that addressed the issue of aircraft encountering power lines
and asked what they are required to do now.
MR. ERIKSON answered before installing a new structure near an
airport the permitting process has a review to determine whether
additional navigational aid markings on maps or structure
requirements like lighting are needed. The requirements lessen
the farther away you get from the airport. For instance, the
Snettisham lines went through FAA review since they are on
federal property and they would place the necessary requirements
on that line.
2:20:15 PM
SENATOR DYSON observed that every transmission line in Alaska
that crosses a river has balls on it.
MR. ERIKSON said the Snettisham line does as well.
SENATOR DYSON asked whose responsibility it was to get those
lines on the maps and charts.
MR. ERICKSON said those lines had been in existence for quite a
while and he wasn't directly involved in their permitting, but
his experience in permitting similar projects was that he
provides the information to the entities that then will put it
on the maps and charts.
2:21:53 PM
BOB HAJDUKOVICH, President and CEO, Era Alaska, Fairbanks,
Alaska, said this issue came into his world when they started
seeing a proliferation of cell towers and wind generation
devices. He explained that meteorological towers (MET) are put
up in advance of wind farms to measure wind speeds to determine
their viability. They can go up very quickly and are very thin
with invisible wires. So, there is an MET concern in the rural
areas along with the proliferation of cell towers. The FAA does
not require towers below 200 ft. tall to be registered and if
they are not in the airport environment they are also
unregulated.
Era's concern is that the most likely place to put towers of any
sort is near runways, especially in rural communities, because
that's generally where the power, utilities, maintenance and
roads are. Many communities they serve might have one or two
roads that go through the entire town and so the most obvious
place to put a cell tower or wind generator is on the path
towards the runway. Probably most of the accidents that have
happened in aviation occur with low level helicopter activities.
The average height of carriers going into airports is generally
1500-2000 ft. in the immediate vicinity and goes down on
approach to the runway, and that is where the FAA does its job
of maintaining the obstruction clearances to make sure operators
have an angled glide path.
Generally, he said Era is not as concerned about the approaches
to airports as much as they are about the approaches to
communities. Private aviation in low weather conditions would
tend to follow roads - like from Fairbanks to Anchorage - as
opposed to looking out the front window for unmarked towers. So,
it's important that the state engage in registration of all the
new activity around cell towers and wind generators. They knew a
lot of stakeholders would engage in this conversation and the
electric folks had brought up some great points.
2:25:16 PM
SENATOR FAIRCLOUGH said she served on Alaska's Renewable Energy
Advisory Board that was permitting 23 projects now and that she
would take this information to them and maybe get in front of
this issue and then fix the cell tower problem through
legislation.
MR. SCOTT said he would reach out to that board.
CHAIR EGAN said SB 177 would be held in committee.
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects |
|---|---|---|
| SB 53 Sponsor Statement.PDF |
STRA 2/25/2014 1:30:00 PM |
SB 53 |
| SB 177 Sponsor Statement.pdf |
STRA 2/25/2014 1:30:00 PM |
SB 177 |
| SB 178 Sectional Analysis.PDF |
STRA 2/25/2014 1:30:00 PM |
SB 178 |
| SB 178 Sponsor Statement.PDF |
STRA 2/25/2014 1:30:00 PM |
SB 178 |
| SB 178 Letters Supporting.PDF |
STRA 2/25/2014 1:30:00 PM |
SB 178 |
| SB 53 Letter of Support - Air Carriers.PDF |
STRA 2/25/2014 1:30:00 PM |
SB 53 |
| SB 53 Letter of Support - Era 012914.pdf |
STRA 2/25/2014 1:30:00 PM |
SB 53 |
| SB 53 Fiscal Note, DPS 022214.pdf |
STRA 2/25/2014 1:30:00 PM |
SB 53 |
| SB 177 Fiscal Note, Admin 022214.pdf |
STRA 2/25/2014 1:30:00 PM |
SB 177 |
| SB 177 Fiscal Note, DCCED 022114.pdf |
STRA 2/25/2014 1:30:00 PM |
SB 177 |
| SB 177 Fiscal Note, DOTPF 022514.pdf |
STRA 2/25/2014 1:30:00 PM |
SB 177 |
| SB 178 Fiscal Note, DOR-Tax 022014.PDF |
STRA 2/25/2014 1:30:00 PM |
SB 178 |
| SB 178 Petition Supporting 022514.PDF |
STRA 2/25/2014 1:30:00 PM |
SB 178 |
| SB 53 - 14 CFR 121.353.PDF |
STRA 2/25/2014 1:30:00 PM |
SB 53 |
| SB 178 Letter Supporting - Lentfer 022414.PDF |
STRA 2/25/2014 1:30:00 PM |
SB 178 |
| SB 178 Letters Supporting - Second Batch.PDF |
STRA 2/25/2014 1:30:00 PM |
SB 178 |
| SB 177 PCIA Industry Comments 022514.pdf |
STRA 2/25/2014 1:30:00 PM |
SB 177 |