Legislature(2003 - 2004)
03/12/2004 08:00 AM Senate JUD
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SB 170-CRIMINAL LAW/SENTENCING/PROBATION/PAROLE MS. LINDA WILSON, Public Defender Agency, Department of Administration (DOA), said she would complete the testimony she began on Wednesday morning and would focus on the forfeiture provisions in the bootlegging aspect of the bill. Members raised questions about the interests of lien holders of property that might be subject to forfeiture. She pointed out that Section 11 requires forfeiture of all aircraft and any vehicles or watercraft if the offender had a prior conviction or is on probation. She expressed concern that the person with a legitimate interest in the property subject to mandatory forfeiture will have to prove in court that he or she is an innocent party. She expects, given the example discussed on Wednesday of the forfeiture of a $10,000 truck with a $5,000 lien, the lien holder will probably have to pay the state for the $5,000 difference in the value of the truck and try to recoup the cost. She cautioned that it will require the lien holder and others with a legitimate interest in property to appear in court and result in more forfeiture hearings. MS. WILSON turned to the self-defense provision and said she spoke a little bit about the criminal objectives and the drug transactions but the language in Section 18 (page 11) adds to the list of circumstances for which a person cannot raise a self-defense claim. She said subsection (B) is problematic because she does not believe a "purported transaction" is defined in statute. She finds that term to be vague and is not sure why it was included. MS. WILSON'S last concern was Section 32, which pertains to disclosure of information about juvenile sex offender cases. Section 32 would allow information that is now confidential to be shared if requested for the purpose of protecting a child or vulnerable adult. She echoed prior concerns expressed by committee members that this provision will "open the door" because of many opportunities for abuse of the provision. That section contains no confidentiality protection once the information is disclosed; it could be shared and publicized. She said everyone agrees that sex offenders, even juveniles, do not deserve sympathy, but the purpose of keeping information confidential is to try to rehabilitate those juveniles. Publicizing that information would be harmful to that goal. CHAIR SEEKINS noted that the legal definition of "purported transaction" would be to present the appearance, often false, of being or intending to do something. MR. JOSH FINK, Director of the Office of Public Advocacy, told members that he finds the immunity sections most problematic. He read a statement by the Alaska Supreme Court from the 1993 Gonzales case that encapsulates what that protection is: The privilege against self-incrimination applies where the answers elicited could support a conviction or might furnish a link in the chain of evidence leading to a conviction. MR. FINK believes section 22(i) is patently unconstitutional, according to that statement. To mandate that a judge inform the prosecution what level of crime a potential witness would be given protection from if testifying would allow the prosecution to focus investigative resources on that individual via a process of elimination. He said that information could create a link in the chain that he believes would be struck down by the Alaska Supreme Court after an expensive litigation process. MR. FINK then pointed to Section 18, regarding self-defense, and said he understands the intent but believes it is too broad. He does not believe one should lose the right to self-defense for a purported transaction - when one is in a situation that may have the appearance of criminal activity but is not. He said an example in which he does not believe the legislature would want to take a person's right to a self-defense claim is shoplifting. He has defended a number of cases in the Mat-Su Valley in which over-zealous security guards assaulted teenagers shoplifting an item such as candy. The state dismissed the charges after reviewing the evidence of the assault. A second example is a 20- year old who might enter a bar with a fake Id and is attacked by a patron of the bar. He offered that one solution would be to require that the criminal activity be felonious. MR. FINK said that Section 19 also deals with the self-defense claim and requires the judge to make a finding that the evidence is plausible. His concern is that fact-finding is in the providence of the jury; he does not believe judges should be allowed to usurp the jury's fact-finding responsibilities. He then expressed significant concern that Section 14 would allow a felony prosecution when one is criminally negligent; the current standard is reckless behavior. The reckless standard requires the individual to be aware of and ignore the risk. Under the criminal negligence standard, an individual does not even have to be aware of the risk. He cautioned that the committee may be criminalizing an accident and questioned whether a person who hits a patch of black ice and goes off the road is felonious if a passenger is injured. He felt that section will criminalize behavior that Alaskans do not feel is criminal. MR. FINK recounted that his father, when a member of the House in 1969, introduced the first legislation dealing with bail conditions with third parties. His understanding of the purpose of that legislation was to provide an alternative to those individuals without the financial wherewithal to afford bail. Since that time, it has morphed into a situation that involves a cash bail and third party. He pointed out in many of these cases, the requirements are already onerous; for example a third party would have to get permission to bring the defendant to work. Section 17 will make it more difficult to find a third party. He suggested the current law is sufficient. A third party who violates his or her duties can be held in contempt of court and could receive a $300 fine and 6 months in jail. He felt that the language regarding the immediate reporting of any violations is also problematic. The third party may not be aware of a violation at the exact time it occurred - such as when a child sneaks out of the home while everyone is sleeping. CHAIR SEEKINS asked Mr. Fink if he believes it will be harder to find a third party custodian if the penalty for not reporting violations is greater and whether one could interpret that to mean that a number of third party custodians do not take their responsibilities seriously. MR. FINK said he believes most do take the responsibility seriously. He has heard of individuals who are becoming professional custodians but he has not seen any. He explained that currently, a judge tells a third party custodian that if he fails in his responsibilities, he is looking at the fine and jail term. Most custodians hesitate but agree to go ahead. He warned that if the fine and jail term increase, some third parties will decide not to participate. CHAIR SEEKINS pointed out the penalty applies if the custodian does not report an activity the custodian knew was a violation of the conditions, not for being unaware. MR. FINK repeated the bill requires immediate reporting. He would prefer that the section require immediate reporting when the party becomes aware of the violation or adding the word "knowingly" before "failed." SENATOR FRENCH asked, in regard to Mr. Fink's objections to Section 19, and the amount of evidence necessary for a judge to allow a self-defense instruction to be given to the jury, whether the judge must already engage in fact-finding because the judge must find a scintilla of evidence. This provision would require just a little bit more. He also asked Mr. Fink if he thinks every time a self-defense jury instruction is requested, the judge should give one. MR. FINK said not in every case. Currently, some evidence must be provided so the threshold is very, very low. He said the system isn't broken. He believes allowing 12 minds to evaluate the question is better than one. He repeated addressing the question of self-defense is the jury's role. CHAIR SEEKINS asked: Mr. Fink, do you have any concern when you take a look at this amendment? This specifically amends 11.81.330(a), the use of non-deadly force. But if I look at 11.81.335, the justification for the use of deadly force in self-defense is ... when to the extent the use of non-deadly force is justified under 11.81.330. So those two statutes are kind of tied together in that this also applies to the use of deadly force as well. Am I reading that correctly? MR. FINK said he believes so. CHAIR SEEKINS asked if the new standard would apply to deadly or non-deadly self-defense. MR. FINK said that is correct. There being no further questions of Mr. Fink, CHAIR SEEKINS asked Susan Parkes to testify. MS. SUSAN PARKES, Deputy Attorney General, Department of Law (DOL), asked to respond to a few issues raised by testifiers. First, regarding the immunity concerns, DOL has taken another look at the Gonzales case. DOL believes the bill is constitutional as written but has an amendment to offer that may provide a "more conscious" approach. She said the amendment uses more cautious language so that instead of the judge specifying the level of the offense that the First and Fifth Amendment would apply to, the judge would indicate whether it is a higher level felony, meaning an unclassified or A felony, a lower level felony, meaning a B or C felony, or a misdemeanor. DOL believes with that amount of direction, the prosecution could responsibly decide whether to grant immunity. DOL also believes that may address the concern about the link in the chain of evidence. CHAIR SEEKINS interjected that the proposed amendment was distributed to members. MS. PARKES continued by saying that regarding the assault in the rd 3 degree provision that would create a felony assault using the standard of criminal negligence, the state currently has a felony homicide statute, AS 11.41.130, so that if a person's criminally negligent behavior caused the death of another person, that person would be prosecuted for a class B felony. She pointed out that under existing statutes, a person who acts in a criminally negligent manner can be prosecuted for a felony so the change is not a huge leap. DOL is proposing to fill a gap in the assault statutes as currently written. MS. PARKES addressed the self-defense provision and informed members that the current purpose of judges in the court is to make decisions about what information will be put before a jury. SB 170 does not propose to change a judge's role but creates a higher standard for a self-defense claim to be put before a jury to avoid unnecessary delays and unmeritorious claims. It is not a burden-shifting proposal, it simply asks for plausible evidence. She said the purported transaction language was included in the bill to address what is known as a "drug rip-off scenario." A person may think s/he is arriving at a location to be involved in a drug deal when in actuality there are no drugs on the premises. The point is when people meet to engage in a drug deal, they are engaging in a dangerous activity that often results in an injury or death. If a person intends to engage in a drug deal, whether it is real or purported, that person could not claim self-defense. The purpose of the gang provision [would be to disallow a claim of self-defense] if force was used to further a criminal objective. Regarding its application to the example of prostitution, a prostitute who is attacked by a customer and defends herself would not be furthering her prostitution, so a self-defense claim would be permissible. However, if groups of individuals are fighting over territories or retaliating over drug dealings or other similar scenarios, then any force used would be inherent to the criminal activities. MS. PARKES responded to the concerns about the third party custodian provision by saying that the common sense interpretation of what is meant by that language is clear. In this state, a judge would not allow charges to be filed against a third party if it was impossible to report. She said in her experience, the court tells third parties that it is not their responsibility to control this person and keep them housebound; they are simply expected to immediately report violations they become aware of and if they do not, they are open to prosecution. It has not been her experience that judges lay out the specific penalties. DOL is proposing to make it a specific statute in Title 11 for several reasons, not the least of which is because it would create a clean, specific statute for third parties, unlike the criminal intent statute. It will allow for a cleaner prosecution and will clearly describe what was involved on someone's record. SENATOR FRENCH asked, with respect to subsection (a) in the self defense provision, Ms. Parkes' opinion of the suggestion made by Ms. Wilson and Mr. Fink that it apply only to felony charges so that it would not apply to shoplifters, prostitutes or a person with a small amount of marijuana. MS. PARKES said she has concerns about that, as it would apply to subsection (b). She noted that even marijuana deals often turn deadly because drug dealers tend to carry guns. However, she would be open to that consideration as it applies to subsection (a). She noted DOL struggled with that language when drafting the bill and looked to the statutory definition of street gangs to try to find language that would be enforceable and clear. She repeated the suggestion is worth consideration. SENATOR FRENCH questioned how the plausible evidence standard would work: Under current law, a judge must ask him or herself whether there is some evidence - or I think it's frequently a scintilla of evidence, to support a self- defense claim. The standard proposed by this bill is that some plausible evidence - and just using subsection (b) as an example to work my way through how this would work should the law change, would the judge ask whether there's some plausible evidence that there was no drug deal in the works in order for a self-defense claim to get to the jury? Is that the logical way you'd sort of have to pose the question? MS. PARKES answered that is her understanding of how it would apply. CHAIR SEEKINS asked if the word "purported" means that the jury reasonably believed that a transaction was going to take place. MS. PARKES agreed and explained, "We can see it both ways. We see the seller who doesn't really come with the product to sell planning to rob the buyer or the buyer coming to rob for the drugs without ever planning to pay for them." SENATOR FRENCH questioned whether Ms. Parkes had the chance to talk to the folks who would draft the regulations on the provision that allows disclosure of adjudication information for a juvenile sex crime about which scenarios that would apply to. MS. PARKES said she is involved in ongoing discussions with Patty Ware, the Director of the Division of Juvenile Services in DHSS, who has come up with some proposals. DOL feels confident that it can provide an amendment that will satisfy its public safety concerns and DHSS's concern to limit the scope of disclosure. CHAIR SEEKINS asked, under SB 170, if he attempted to engage in an illegal transaction with Senator French and a fight ensued, whether he could claim self-defense because Senator French pulled his gun first. MS. PARKES indicated she would need to know what the illegal activity was but, if it was a drug deal or purported drug deal, he could claim self-defense. CHAIR SEEKINS asked, "Are we trying to get to some point where we are saying the person knew there was dangerous activity that would take place or could take place or just that they knew it was an illegal transaction?" MS. PARKES maintained that DOL is trying to get at situations in which people know they are engaging in an inherently dangerous activity where violence is often likely to occur. SENATOR FRENCH commented that the drug-dealing scenario referred to earlier could have been a situation where an experienced drug dealer killed a more innocent individual but could not be prosecuted because of a self-defense allegation, or one could imagine that the younger, more vulnerable individual killed the experienced drug dealer in an attempt to defend himself but could not assert a self-defense claim. He acknowledged that he is wrestling to find a way to maintain a self-defense claim for a more culpable individual. CHAIR SEEKINS then asked if this bill simply bars self-defense versus making it an affirmative defense. MS. PARKES said it would bar a self-defense claim if the defendant cannot come up with some plausible evidence that suggests otherwise. CHAIR SEEKINS referred to Section 14, assault in the third degree (page 9), and said line 2 reads, "causes physical injury" while line 15 reads, "causes serious physical injury." He asked the difference between the two terms. MS. PARKES said physical injury is defined to mean physical pain or an impairment of physical condition - often referred to as bumps and bruises. Serious physical injury is defined as "physical injury that causes serious and protracted disfigurement, protracted impairment of health, protracted loss or impairment of the function of a body member or organ or that unlawfully terminate the pregnancy." She added that case law has interpreted protracted impairment of health to mean an impairment that takes six to eight weeks to heal. CHAIR SEEKINS announced that the Senate was about to begin its floor session so the committee would reschedule SB 170. He adjourned the meeting at 9:55 a.m.
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