Legislature(2023 - 2024)BARNES 124

04/25/2024 10:15 AM House ENERGY

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10:15:33 AM Start
10:16:52 AM SB152
10:36:28 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
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+= HB 349 RENEWABLE ENERGY PROJECT LEASES TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled but Not Heard
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
+= HB 328 COMMUNITY ENERGY FACILITIES; NET METERING TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled but Not Heard
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
+= SB 152 COMMUNITY ENERGY FACILITIES; NET METERING TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
        SB 152-COMMUNITY ENERGY FACILITIES; NET METERING                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:16:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAUSCHER  announced that the  only order of  business would                                                               
be  CS  FOR  SENATE  BILL  NO.  152(L&C),  "An  Act  relating  to                                                               
community energy facilities."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:17:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BILL  WIELECHOWSKI,   Alaska  State  Legislature,  prime                                                               
sponsor,  presented  CSSB 152(L&C).    He  spoke to  the  sponsor                                                               
statement  [included  in the  committee  packet],  which read  as                                                               
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     This bill  will increase  options for  renewable energy                                                                    
     development,  allow Alaskan  ratepayers to  lower their                                                                    
     electric  costs,  and  offset   natural  gas  usage  by                                                                    
     establishing a  virtual net metering program  for small                                                                    
     scale renewable energy generation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Currently,   ratepayers   for  economically   regulated                                                                    
     utilities can utilize net  metering, which lowers their                                                                    
     electric bills based on the  amount of electricity they                                                                    
     generate  from generators  like  solar  panels or  wind                                                                    
     turbines.  Unfortunately,   many  ratepayers  including                                                                    
     renters  and   condo  owners  are  not   able  to  take                                                                    
     advantage  of net  metering because  they  do not  have                                                                    
     space available on-site.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     SB  152 will  allow multiple  ratepayers to  pool their                                                                    
     resources  to  receive  net metering  benefits  from  a                                                                    
     single project. SB 152 will  allow power generated from                                                                    
     a  single centralized  and  efficient renewable  energy                                                                    
     source  to  be  purchased through  a  subscription  for                                                                    
     multiple  utility customers.  This subscription  allows                                                                    
     homeowners  and tenants  who might  not have  access to                                                                    
     consistent solar  or renewable  energy sources  to reap                                                                    
     the benefits  of cost  savings, reliability,  and other                                                                    
     benefits to the community.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Twenty states have  established formal community energy                                                                    
     programs,  with  several  more   that  operate  at  the                                                                    
     utility  regulation   level.  This  new   effort  could                                                                    
     generate  7.3  GW  [gigawatt]  of  new  solar  capacity                                                                    
     nationwide by 2030. Utility  customers who subscribe to                                                                    
     community  energy  projects  save   between  5  and  15                                                                    
     [percent]  on   their  utility  bill   through  monthly                                                                    
     credits.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Creating  a community  energy  program  in Alaska  will                                                                    
     allow  the  state to  capture  millions  of dollars  in                                                                    
     investment for  new renewable energy projects.  It will                                                                    
     lead to  hundreds of new  jobs in the  energy industry.                                                                    
     The announcement  of $7 Billion in  federal funding for                                                                    
     residential and community solar  projects will help pay                                                                    
     for   community   energy  projects.   Several   private                                                                    
     investors  in  community  solar projects  have  already                                                                    
     reached out to express  interest. Through this bill, an                                                                    
     8 percent increase in renewable  energy on the Railbelt                                                                    
     could  help offset  natural gas  usage and  address the                                                                    
     supply issues for Cook Inlet natural gas.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     This  bill  will  only  apply  to  utilities  that  are                                                                    
     economically regulated by  the Regulatory Commission of                                                                    
     Alaska,  who  will  be responsible  for  reviewing  and                                                                    
     approving  utilities'  community energy  programs.  The                                                                    
     RCA  will have  the authority  to modify  or waive  the                                                                    
     requirements  of  this  bill   to  meet  the  needs  of                                                                    
     specific utilities.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     SB 152 will help  utility customers save money, attract                                                                    
     millions  in investment,  and help  offset natural  gas                                                                    
     use  in  Cook  Inlet   while  creating  good  jobs  for                                                                    
     Alaskans.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI stated that  the bill would enable community                                                               
energy projects  and virtual net  metering.  Regulations  for the                                                               
current net  metering program, he explained,  were established by                                                               
the  Regulatory  Commission of  Alaska  (RCA).   The  regulations                                                               
require that  an on-site  wind or  solar generator  be tied  to a                                                               
single electric  meter and that  credit for any excess  energy is                                                               
applied to that  meter.  Current Alaska law  disallows any excess                                                               
energy  that  is generated  from  being  tied into  a  neighbor's                                                               
house.   As well, a  [building complex] with  multiple individual                                                               
living  units is  disallowed  from putting  solar  arrays on  the                                                               
building's roof  because the regulatory structure  disallows that                                                               
array from being  tied into multiple meters.   He further pointed                                                               
out  that  independent  power producers  (IPPs)  would  like  the                                                               
opportunity  to  do this  through  small  scale energy  projects.                                                               
Senator  Wielechowski emphasized  that  extensive  work has  been                                                               
done with  a wide  array of utilities  and other  stakeholders to                                                               
get consensus  and support for  the bill, one example  being that                                                               
the bill  has been  opened from  just solar  to include  wind and                                                               
small-scale hydropower.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:21:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SCHRAGE inquired  about the  changes made  to the                                                               
original version of the bill.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI replied  that  SB 152  was introduced  last                                                               
year, and significant  changes have been made in  the interest of                                                               
compromise and finding  consensus with the utilities.   He turned                                                               
to his staff to present the changes made in CSSB 152(L&C).                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:22:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DAVID DUNSMORE,  Staff, Senator  Bill Wielechowski,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, on  behalf of  Senator Wielechowski,  prime sponsor,                                                               
presented a summary of the  changes in CSSB 152(L&C) [included in                                                               
the  committee  packet and  titled  "Senate  Bill 152,  Community                                                               
Energy Facilities, Summary of Changes  Version B to CSSB 152(L&C)                                                               
Version  R].   He paraphrased  from  the summary,  which read  as                                                               
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     The bill was shortened  and streamlined in consultation                                                                    
     with utilities and other stakeholders.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     A new  Section 1  was added giving  the bill  the short                                                                    
     title  "the   Saving  Alaskans  Money   with  Voluntary                                                                    
     Community Energy (SAVE) Act."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Throughout  the  bill,  provisions  that  restated  net                                                                    
     metering provisions that  currently exist in Regulatory                                                                    
     Commission  of Alaska  (RCA) regulations  were removed.                                                                    
     In new AS 42.05.725  the language related to exemptions                                                                    
     was replaced with  a provision that this  bill does not                                                                    
     apply to  utilities that are  exempt from  net metering                                                                    
     requirements adopted by the RCA.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     In new  AS 42.05.727  the term "community  energy plan"                                                                    
     is replaced  with "community energy tariff."  The limit                                                                    
     of  50   megawatts  of  power  from   community  energy                                                                    
     facilities was  removed from this section,  and instead                                                                    
     this limit  would be set  by the utilities and  the RCA                                                                    
     through community energy tariffs and regulations.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     New  Section 42.05.729  was shortened  to simply  state                                                                    
     that  the RCA  will  adopt rates  for community  energy                                                                    
     facilities  that   reflect  the  full   economic  value                                                                    
     provided and  do not  have a  negative effect  on other                                                                    
     ratepayers. Language  was added that the  RCA may adopt                                                                    
     different  rates for  facilities  that provide  battery                                                                    
     storage.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     New  AS 42.05.731  was renamed  from "Authority  of the                                                                    
     commission"   to   "Authority   and   duties   of   the                                                                    
     commission." Provisions  were added to this  section to                                                                    
     clarify the  RCA's role in ensuring  the implementation                                                                    
     of community  energy programs. The language  related to                                                                    
     prevailing wages  for construction of  community energy                                                                    
     facilities  that was  previously in  new AS.  42.05.733                                                                    
     was moved to this section.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     New AS 42.05.733 was removed from the bill.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     In new AS  42.05.735, terms that are no  longer used in                                                                    
     the   bill  were   removed   and   the  definition   of                                                                    
     "subscriber"  was updated  to limit  it to  residential                                                                    
     ratepayers  and  commercial   ratepayers  with  monthly                                                                    
     demand of less than 50 kilowatt-hours.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAUSCHER  cited a  grant of $62  million and  asked whether                                                               
that grant is  part of the $127 million federal  grant secured by                                                               
Alaska's  federal  delegation  or  is in  addition  to  the  $127                                                               
million or is not connected to the $127 million.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUNSMORE replied that he will  get back to the committee with                                                               
an answer.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:25:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX asked  whether  the  bill contemplates  that                                                               
people in  residential areas could  be utilizing  differing types                                                               
of electrical wire between houses.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUNSMORE  responded that the interconnection  standards would                                                               
be  set by  the  RCA  and the  utilities  through the  regulatory                                                               
process.   Under  current  net metering,  he  explained, a  solar                                                               
panel on  someone's house is tied  directly into a meter  for the                                                               
house.   Under  community  energy and  virtual  net metering,  he                                                               
continued,  a four  plex could  be  hooked directly  to the  grid                                                               
where it would  be metered and the usage apportioned  to the four                                                               
units.  He cited other examples of how apportionment would work.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:27:40 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX requested  clarification regarding  [removal                                                               
of  the limit  of 50  megawatts  of power  from community  energy                                                               
facilities].                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DUNSMORE answered  that Golden  Valley Electric  Association                                                               
(GVEA) [suggested removing the limit].   Practical limits will be                                                               
set  by the  RCA and  the utilities  for the  total capacity,  he                                                               
explained,  and  this  will  avoid a  situation  where  a  single                                                               
industrial  customer could  take the  entire load  that would  be                                                               
available  for community  energy,  thereby  crowding out  smaller                                                               
scale customers from participating.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  RAUSCHER posed  a scenario  of a  community solar  project                                                               
with multiple  units receiving the  benefits.  He asked  how that                                                               
would be divvied up between the customers.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUNSMORE  replied that the project-specific  details would be                                                               
worked  out  by  each  utility   company  through  the  utility's                                                               
community energy  tariff.   The construction  and other  costs of                                                               
the project, he explained, would be  borne by the project, not by                                                               
the utility or  other ratepayers.  Something like  a duplex would                                                               
be  simple,  so  would  probably be  worked  out  by  themselves.                                                               
However, a  larger scale project  is often done through  the sale                                                               
of subscriptions which  gets the capital to  install the project.                                                               
The utility  is responsible  for making  sure that  the project's                                                               
interconnections  are in  accordance  with  the community  energy                                                               
tariff  and meet  the  safety standards,  and  the utility  would                                                               
proportionally credit the power  generated.  For example, someone                                                               
with a  subscription for one  one-hundredth of the  project would                                                               
be  credited  by  the  utility  for  one  percent  of  the  power                                                               
generated from that project.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:31:08 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  RAUSCHER posed  a scenario  of five  apartment units.   He                                                               
asked whether each  unit would still have its own  meter and then                                                               
the credit would be applied proportionately among the units.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DUNSMORE  confirmed each unit  would have its  own electrical                                                               
metering and would  be credited against its  electrical usage for                                                               
its proportional share of the community energy generated.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:31:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RAUSCHER opened public testimony on CSSB 152(L&C).                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:32:43 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MIKE JONES,  representing self, testified  that while HB  328 and                                                               
CSSB   152(L&C)  have   substantially  different   language,  the                                                               
presentations for the bills were  identical.  He pointed out that                                                               
neither  bill  considers the  northern  latitudes  of Alaska  and                                                               
renewable  energy  would  perform  poorly this  far  north.    He                                                               
maintained that  CSSB 152 (L&C)  is a  wind and solar  power bill                                                               
with the other renewables just  being window dressing.  He argued                                                               
that the  lower energy bills are  due to subsidy provided  by net                                                               
energy metering.   He urged  members to  look at the  actual cash                                                               
flows of wind and solar companies  to see what money comes out of                                                               
whose  pockets.   He stated  that wind  and solar  are inherently                                                               
unreliable and without battery systems  they aren't suitable.  He                                                               
urged the  committee to  work on  solutions that  eliminate these                                                               
flaws and  to use  market principles rather  than a  net metering                                                               
subsidy.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:35:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  RAUSCHER, after  ascertaining there  was no  one else  who                                                               
wished to testify, closed public testimony on CSSB 152(L&C).                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[CSSB 152(L&C) was held over.]                                                                                                  

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 152 Sponsor Statement .pdf HENE 4/25/2024 10:15:00 AM
SB 152
SB 152 Sectional Analysis Version U.pdf HENE 4/25/2024 10:15:00 AM
SB 152
SB 152 Version U.pdf HENE 4/25/2024 10:15:00 AM
SB 152
SB 152 Summary of Changes B to U.pdf HENE 4/25/2024 10:15:00 AM
SB 152
SB 152 Research US DOE Community Solar Basics.pdf HENE 4/25/2024 10:15:00 AM
SB 152
SB 152 Research North Carolina Solar Center Aggregate Net Metering.pdf HENE 4/25/2024 10:15:00 AM
SB 152
SB 152 Support AKPIRG.pdf HENE 4/25/2024 10:15:00 AM
SB 152
SB 152 Support Tebughna Foundation.pdf HENE 4/25/2024 10:15:00 AM
SB 152
SB 152 Summary of Changes B to R.pdf HENE 4/25/2024 10:15:00 AM
SB 152
SB 152 Sectional Analysis Version R.pdf HENE 4/25/2024 10:15:00 AM
SB 152
SB 152 Chugach Electric Letter of Support.pdf HENE 4/25/2024 10:15:00 AM
SB 152
APA Comment on SB 152.pdf HENE 4/25/2024 10:15:00 AM
SB 152