Legislature(2003 - 2004)
04/03/2003 03:35 PM Senate STA
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SB 137-EMPLOYMENT TAX FOR EDUCATION
CHAIR GARY STEVENS asked for a motion to adopt the committee
substitute (CS).
SENATOR JOHN COWDERY made a motion to adopt the CS \S Kurtz for
SB 137 for discussion purposes. There being no objection, it was
so ordered.
CHAIR GARY STEVENS explained the bill would impose a $100 a year
tax on each employed individual age 19 or older. The money would
be deducted in $50 increments from an employees first two
paychecks after July 1 of each year and after the first $1,000
in wages was earned. The Department of Revenue estimates this
bill would generate $39 million this year and in every
subsequent year. They project the need for ten full time
permanent workers and ten temporary clerks during the tax season
for operation. The estimated operating cost is $1.2 million in
year one and $820 thousand in subsequent years.
It is intended to supplement educational funding and reduce the
draw from the Constitutional Budget Reserve. It would apply to
workers from out of state and would be part of a long-range
fiscal plan.
SENATOR COWDERY asked if someone that started work in December
and earned $800 would be subject to the tax.
CHAIR GARY STEVENS explained the accounting would run through
the fiscal year, from July 1 through June 30 and if the worker
did not meet the $1,000 threshold, they wouldn't be subject to
the tax.
SENATOR COWDERY asked who would collect the tax.
CHAIR GARY STEVENS informed him the employer would collect the
tax and remit it to the Department of Revenue. He then asked Mr.
Persily to come forward to speak to the issue.
LARRY PERSILY, Deputy Commissioner of the Department of Revenue,
explained it would be set up in much the same way as an income
tax even though this was not an income tax. The employer would
withhold the money and send in monthly reports to the Department
of Revenue. For someone who works in two different jobs and had
the money withheld both times, the department would process a
refund for that person.
CHAIR GARY STEVENS asked if there would be a form available for
the employee to show subsequent employers that they had already
paid the tax.
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER PERSILY elaborated saying either the pay
stub would show the money had been paid or there would be a form
that the employer would fill out for subsequent employers.
People holding down two jobs might be charged more than once and
require a refund. The department would expect to process several
thousand refunds, but they would do everything possible through
employer education to keep the number to a minimum because there
is a cost to a refund.
CHAIR GARY STEVENS asked if employers would be able to check on-
line to determine that an employee had already paid.
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER PERSILY advised the department would make
the process as automated as possible. Prior to 1980, the $10 tax
was added to the state income tax due which made collection very
easy. Without an income tax, the department would have to set up
a procedure.
SENATOR COWDERY asked if the employee couldn't carry a card
showing they had paid just like those with insured cars.
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER PERSILY said they would develop a similar
procedure that would save the state the expense of a refund and
employers the expense of withholding when they didn't need to
withhold.
SENATOR GRETCHEN GUESS asked if there was any estimate for the
cost to businesses.
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER PERSILY said they did not have that
information. Businesses are already withholding for state
unemployment, federal taxes and FICA so it wouldn't be difficult
to add another line to their withholding, but there would be the
cost of one more form and one more government entity to send a
payment to.
He pointed out the original fiscal note addressed the
traditional January 1 to December 31 tax year and would take
effect in January 1, 2004. This would give the department six or
seven months to develop a tax program. Because the CS has a July
1, 2003 effective date, the department would need to amend the
fiscal note to reflect increased FY 03 expenses to have the
program in place June 30. He warned this is a tight time frame
and everyone needs to understand that all the pieces wouldn't be
ready on June 30. Increased outsourcing would be necessary to
fit the adjusted timeframe but the department would do its best
to get the program in place in 60 days if that is the
legislative intent so the revenue would be available in FY 04.
CHAIR GARY STEVENS asked Mr. Persily to confirm he would amend
the fiscal note before the bill was heard in the Finance
Committee.
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER PERSILY agreed to submit the revised fiscal
note to the Chair by the following day.
SENATOR GUESS asked if sole proprietors and partnerships were
included.
CHAIR GARY STEVENS replied they are responsible for paying as
well.
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER PERSILY said anyone receiving compensation
would have to pay. If not through wage withholding the
individual would have to issue the department a check for $100.
He added, the self-employed people would be the biggest
enforcement issue.
CHAIR GARY STEVENS followed up and asked if the self-employed
paid the $10 head tax the state collected in the 70s.
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER PERSILY replied they did pay. At that time
there was a state income tax so it was easy for the state to
collect when the return was filed. Anyone that receives
compensation in the state would be subject to the tax.
SENATOR GUESS asked the Chair whether this would include trust
fund income.
CHAIR GARY STEVENS replied the tax targets compensation for
personal services.
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER PERSILY agreed.
SENATOR GUESS said she asked the question because Mr. Persily
said this isn't an income tax. She added this seems to be worse
than an income tax since it's collected only if you work and
surmised that was why he made the comment.
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER PERSILY replied he made the comment because
the Administration doesn't favor an income tax.
SENATOR GUESS asked why the $1,000 figure was selected.
CHAIR GARY STEVENS said it was somewhat arbitrary, but they
didn't want someone to lose $100 from his or her first paycheck
if that's all they earned.
SENATOR GUESS advised she took issue with the education smoke
screen because this was about supplanting funds not additional
funds. The bill contains no language that these are additional
funds. This is a worker tax and not a tax for education, which
is confusing to people because they are led to believe there
would be more money for schools. However, because of the way the
constitution is written, this money can't be used directly that
way and it's unfortunate that perception is continued.
SENATOR COWDERY asked for further clarification of what revenue
would be taxed.
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER PERSILY replied he was speaking to work
draft Q that defines compensation as wages, salaries,
commissions, tips or remuneration paid for personal services.
Individuals living on a trust fund or retirement wouldn't pay
this tax.
SENATOR COWDERY added Social Security would be exempt as would
mortgage income.
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER PERSILY didn't believe those would apply
because they aren't compensation for payment for personal
services.
SENATOR COWDERY then asked how the department would enforce
payment. For instance, what would happen if an employee paid
twice and one of the employers withheld the money from the
state?
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER PERSILY assured him employees seem to track
their paychecks closely and the department would take action
against any employer that collected the money and didn't remit
it to the state.
SENATOR COWDERY commented he likes to hire youths for summer odd
jobs and he pays them in cash and wondered how those payments
would be handled.
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER PERSILY admitted those types of compensation
would probably slip through. The department wouldn't target
youths that wash cars, mow lawn and shovel snow because there
are larger issues to go after.
SENATOR COWDERY said he agreed but wanted that stated.
CHAIR GARY STEVENS stated for the record that the \S version was
being discussed.
SENATOR GUESS asked why 19 years of age was selected rather than
18.
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER PERSILY wasn't sure why that age was
selected since 18 is the age of emancipation. It was an
arbitrary decision.
JIM SYKES from Palmer advised he had version \H and realized
this wasn't the latest draft, but wanted to know how the
department would know that out of state workers hired by out of
state corporations that operate in Alaska would collect and
remit the tax. Although he doesn't agree with Senator Guess
regarding dedicated funds, he thought perhaps the bill should be
given a new title to call it a worker's tax. Second he wondered
whether this was contemplated as part of another tax package
because education and the elderly appear to be targeted. He
doesn't see any kind of legislation to get extra windfall
profits from the high price of oil. That would bring in much
more than SB 137 could in every year that the price of oil
exceeded $18 per barrel. He would like to see a package of taxes
so everyone, summer guest workers, residents and businesses that
operate in Alaska share the tax burden fairly.
CHAIR GARY STEVENS asked Mr. Persily to respond to the first
question.
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER PERSILY explained out of state corporations
already pay a corporate income tax so the state knows who they
are. Also they file quarterly returns with the Department of
Labor for unemployment insurance. The Department of Revenue
would run data checks with the Department of Labor and with
corporate taxes, but employer compliance is generally good on
this type of tax because it is so easy to catch companies that
are non-compliant and the penalties are steep.
CHAIR GARY STEVENS added this is not part of a package of taxes.
It is one tax requested by the Governor in his speech to the
Legislature where he asked for consideration of a sales tax or
this head tax for education.
There were no further questions and he asked for a motion.
SENATOR COWDERY made a motion to move CSSB 137 \S version from
committee with unanimous consent and attached fiscal note.
SENATOR GUESS objected.
Senators Dyson, Cowdery and Chair Stevens voted yea and Senator
Guess voted nay. The motion passed and CSSB 137 (STA) moved from
committee.
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